Colin Cowherd breaks down the San Francisco 49ers escaping with an ugly win over the Carolina Panthers, despite Brock Purdy’s three-interception performance. Colin explains why Purdy’s struggles reinforce his belief that the young QB will never reach true elite quarterback status in the NFL
He explains why the Browns are sticking with Shedeur Sanders for the rest of the season and why people shouldn't be overreacting about the possibility of Lane Kiffin leaving Ole Miss.
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go Tuesday on Thanksgiving week, we're live. We're
in Chicago. It's the Herd. One hour from now, the
Herd Hierarchy. What are we gonna do with, oh Chicago Bears. Well,
they make their first appearance in the Herd Hierarchy. Great
to have you in today. You know, it was so
fun because I've brought Pretty was obviously awful last night,
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and in the first half I thought, well, he had
a toe injury, and I thought, all right, I said
it on my podcast at the volume last night. I said,
he's obvious. He can't drive the ball. Every one of
his interceptions was behind the guy and they kind of
hung in the air. There was no zip on the ball.
And Pretty came out after the game and said it
had nothing to do with my toe. Oh, so you
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were just awful against Carolina that has no pass rush. Listen,
we watch Matt Stafford on Sunday Night Football. That's a
Hall of Famer mastery of the position. Big arm, pre snap,
looks left, fire's right. Last night you saw two average quarterbacks.
One's making a fortune and one wants to make a fortune.
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Five picks total, multiple bad throws to open receivers. And remember,
the NFL's not baseball where we care about history. It's
not the NBA where style matters. The NFL. When you're
a quarterback, it's about your last twenty starts. It's about now,
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last twenty starts. Matt Stafford brought pretty and Bryce Young.
Matt Stafford's forty three to five. That is an elite
friend quarterback. Forty three touchdowns, five picks. Bryce Young at
least has a two to one touchdown to interception ratio
with a bunch of kids at wide receiver Brock Purty
thirty touchdowns, nineteen picks, and by the way, on Monday
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Night Football, he presses because he wants to show everybody
in a standalone game, hey, I belong Monday Night Football.
In his career, five touchdowns, eleven picks, seventy five passer rating,
so I said in August, Rams are going to win
the division best roster, Seattle's close, San Francisco third. In fact,
the only two things with the Diners this year that
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have blown me away. Robert Salad deserves a head coaching job.
What he is doing without Warner, without Bosa, without Fungo's
now with Denver, I don't know they're doing it. It's
just kids. And I mean Bryce Youlln was great a
week ago, he was atrocious last night. So and Christian
McCaffrey is I mean, honestly, he should get paid overtime.
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I mean, he is the offense. But everybody keeps trying
to convince Colin you're tough on brock pretty No, no, you're
trying to convince me he's elite. If you'd stop doing that,
I'd stop talking about him. Well, he's smart, so was Aristotle.
I need elite quarterback traits, arm size, mobility like Bryce Young.
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It's not a franchise quarterback. He's a bridge quarterback. He's
not a backup. He's a bridge. But nobody's trying to
convince me he's an all timer. So so you guys
keep trying to convince me, Oh, this is what this
is what it looks like when he had a stacked
roster and people didn't have a lot of film on him.
He was at an Iowa State and he was he
was healthy. It's kind of fun, and he moves pretty well.
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Said it last week after the Arizona game. He moves
pretty well. But do you know since he entered the NFL,
he leads the NFL in interceptions on first down, leads
the NFL in it that is the easiest, most favorable
down to pass on. So last night there's three picks.
They were all behind the receivers. None of them had
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any velocity behind him. So he may say the toe
is fine, it's not. You can tell he's not at
one hundred percent. But on on throws down the field
last night he was one for eight with three picks.
But this year, on throws just ten yards down the field,
he's the NFL's worst quarterback. One touchdown, seven picks. So well, Colin,
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Once you make fifty three million a year, that's more
than Mahomes and it's more than Matt Stafford. If you
made twelve million a year, or you had Bryce Young's contract,
I wouldn't care. Or if you weren't trying to convince
me My eyes don't lie, yours don't either. Those three picks,
those are not fifty three million dollars a year throws.
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In fact, ask yourself this after the game. Listen to
what the reporters ask Kyle Shanahan. Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, you got to think about Olivin whitse happening.
You know, it makes me a lot more hesitant if
they're all bad decisions and stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But he was seeing it right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
They're all really good decisions, just missed the.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Throw on them.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So uh, you know, I think it's it's a lot
worse when you feel like he's not making the right decisions.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, he was asked to that answer. He was asked
if he considered benching brock Pretty. Has anybody ever asked
if Joe Burrow, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, Justin Herbert should
be benched again? If you make fifty three million, you
can never ask that question, you know, I think you
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should maybe consider mac Jones what you're paying in fifty
three million. I'm not anti rock Pretty. He's fine, but
he's really inconsistent, not good throwing downfield. That's all I'm saying,
if you stop trying to convince me he's in that
upper crust, then I'll stop talking about Okay, so I
don't think Senor Sanders is upper crust, but I want
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to talk about this. He's going to be the starter
for the Cleveland Browns, I would imagine the rest of
the way. I think we've seen enough Dylan Gabriel so
over the course of my life, and you've probably noticed
this too. There are certain people that walk into a
room and they take the oxygen out of it. They're negative,
they're risk averse, they're rigid, they like just suck all
the energy and oxygen and vibe out of the room.
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And then there are people that come into a room
and they're optimistic, optimistic, and they've got a little juice
and they've got a lot of confidence and they want
to take a big swing in life. That Shanor Sanders.
I don't care about the stats watching him and then
watching Dylan Gabriel. One guy plays it safe and one
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guy throws it down the field and takes swings. And
pro football locker rooms are fifty five alphas. It's guys
who take swings. It's aggressive men and Robert Griffin, the
third RG three, on the show yesterday, said he noticed.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
That when you watch the game, the brown played with
more energy, more purpose, and more excitement than they have
all season long because of his ability to make the
extended play, and with that comes mistakes. He'd do a
bad interception, but he bounced back really well off of it.
I think he has the pulse of the team, the
pulse of the city. He is self aware that he
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believes he is going to be successful, so he speaks confidently,
he walks around confidently, and that is why he's not afraid.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah. I mean when I watched him against the Raiders,
and it's the Raiders, but it's an NFL team, it
looked like Colorado. Shadour throws the ball down the field
and he's accurate. Dylan Gabriel plays it safe, right, and
bosses love employees who play it safe and never get
the boss in trouble. He runs all the plays Shadour doesn't.
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He plays with more confidence, he takes more risks. Dylan Gabriel,
do you realize this led the NFL? He was last
in the NFL in yards per attempt this year. Dylan
Gabriel Shadeur Sanders led the entire league this Sunday in
the Yardsboro attempt. They're the opposite. They're literally the opposite
kind of quarterback. So in my take, if you're Cleveland
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is you're not going to get rich in life. Investing
in four oh one k's, you can get comfortable or content.
Dylan Gabriel is not even a four to oh one K.
He's that savings bond grandma gave you when you were nine.
There's just no upside. It's safe. He's not taking any risks.
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But I think in pro football locker rooms that kind
of pulls the energy and the juice out of the room.
You got fifty five NFL bodies. I mean, Miles Garrett's
reaction to Shadeur Sanders is, Oh, this is fun. We
got a guy. So now I think Schadeur's a little goofy.
I like my quarterbacks to be serious and intense. I
really like Peyton Manning. I really like the intensity of
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Lamar Jackson, who gets mad at himself. I like serious, intense,
totally focused quarterback and shooters a little goofy. He's a
little casual, you know. I think sometimes he's a little juvenile.
He feels like a kid. But I don't think you
can deny that there's a different feeling when he's the
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quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. It just looks and feels differently.
And that's why I should start little Goofy for my taste.
But he does add something as RG three talked about.
And by the way, I have no problem with joyful,
funny professional athletes. Somebody told me this year's ago. If
you're in a serious profession like accounting or tech, have
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a sense of humor, lighten up. And if you're in
a funny or a or an entertainment field, music, sports, comedy,
take it seriously. Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld take comedy seriously.
So did Letterman and Leto. They take comedy serious. It's
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a real career, Ricky Gervais, it's a real career. I
like my quarterbacks in entertainment, my musicians, my singers. You
know it's Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney, Bono, they take it seriously.
John bon Jovi is still touring making money. Take it seriously.
When you get into sports, I like, really focused because
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there's goofballs everywhere in entertainment, music and the movies and comedy.
There's goofballs everywhere in those kind of careers. I think
he got to be a little bit more serious to me.
Shadour's a little goofy for me, but he's a joyful kid,
and I think he should start, all right, Jay mac listen,
I know it's a rough day. You love brock Purty,
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but I think America after the first half, we all
summarily agreed was awful football, not just quarterback play. You
know what I couldn't figure out this? Ricodowell is one
of these NFL running backs. You're like, can you just
give him the ball? Why didn't Dave Canalis get Rico
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Dowdell six attempts? He's your Christian McCaffrey. I mean, say
what you want about Kyle Shanahan. The entire offense drives
through Christian McCaffrey. You have your Christian McCaffrey. Is he
as good? I don't know, but Rico Dowdell is a really,
really fun player. He got the ball six times out
of the backfield. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
It was a wacky game, was it not. It just
fell all around like the pretty interceptions and.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Listen, I'm gonna pull a you.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Last week, you know, member Sam Darnold threw four picks
against the Rams, and you're like, I don't really care
about interceptions. You're trying things.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Rockberty was trying things last night. None of them worked. Okay,
he had a bad half. It was bad. You flush it,
you move on.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I am worried, however, about this Browns game, because oh,
the defense at home is nasty.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Oh, let me just tell you right now, I have
revised what I said yesterday. Cleveland plus six and a
half points at home with cruddy Weather is the bet
of the weekend against the Niners on a short wee. Yeah,
and he did on the weekend.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Remember a couple of years ago he went to Cleveland
and had a loss. They were missing a couple of weapons.
But this is going to be a difficult game for him.
And I'll be honest if you ask me Jayback, what
the hell was wrong with pretty I think in an
Island game he was pressing a little biting that Mac
Jones had good run and he's coming off the injury
and it was in his head.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You know, like what happens. Listen, brock Purdy has been
bad on Monday Night Football, five touchdowns, eleven picks. I
think it's a showcase. He feels a little bit of pressure.
He wants to show he belongs in the one o'clock
window or when he's playing in Arizona. He's magic. But
I think he was pressing totally last night. Fine. I
got some thoughts on Lane Kiffin. You know, it just
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cracks me up how everybody's after Lane Kiffin. I just
I just don't get it. And I got thoughts on
Michigan Ohio State and Michigan fans aren't gonna like it.
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
So I watching this Lane Kiffin circus just cracks me up.
I mean, oh, Miss knew what they were getting when
they were hiring Lane Kiffin. Who will make a decision
Friday or Saturday where he's gonna coach? They knew what
they were getting. When I hear this, even from people
at Fox, well, it's gonna ruin his repation. Lane Kiffin's
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reputation is offensive. Wizard, that's it. That's why us. He
hired him, The Raiders hired him, Tennessee hired him, a
school in Florida hired him, and ole Miss hired him
and didn't hired him because he was relatable. He is
a nice guy, he was loyal. I know Lane. I
like him. I've had a cocktail or two when he
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used to do that. He's interesting, he knows his stuff,
and Ole Miss wasn't naive. College football, folks, is bitcoin.
It's unregulated. It's the wild wild West with a lack
of corporate structure. Every man for himself, and college football
allows you to steal another program's coach. Don't be mad
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at Lane, be mad at LSU in Florida. I mean,
you guys are supposed to all kind of be in
a conference. You've defended each other for years. When you
were all cheating and recruiting pre nil, there was always
a rule don't rat on the se right, like everybody
kind of knew until Hugh Freeze was so ridiculous an
Old Miss doing it they had to call him on it.
So but this idea, well, this is you know, the
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only time anybody is disappointed with Lane Kiffin. When Old
Miss doesn't score thirty five points. That's when he's disappointing.
Because since he arrived at Old Miss, they're the number
one offense in the country by a mile. And that's
why it gets jobs. This idea. Listen, Old Miss, don't
marry the rock star and find out he's cheating on
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the road. That's the reality of this sport. Whenever I
hear the media get precious about college football, it is
bitcoin with a whistle. It's totally wild wild West. They
can't even get the schedules right. And I love the sport.
USC hired a guy named Clay Helton, wonderful guy. Family,
faith in football. You know where he's at, Georgia Southern.
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There are certain traits the great coaches have, Saban Urban, Dabbo, Lane,
Kirby Smart. They all have the same traits. It's not
warm and fuzzy. It's not loyal. It's aggressive, intense and
hyper competitive. And I've met all of them and I
like all of them. I love Urban and Lane and
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Jim and Dabble and Save. I've met all of them.
Haven't met Kirby Smart, but he kind of feels like
it's the same thing. So this idea, you know, everybody's
like and the media cracks me up. It's like, well,
when are we gonna get an answer? When Lane wants
to give you one, go ahead, fire him. See if
he gets somebody that good, Well, you know him, you're
defending him. No, I know college football, and I'm defending
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him in the NFL. You can't go poach Andy Reid
in the middle of a season. College football allows it.
I said this yesterday Wall Street, Silicon Valley or sports.
If you allow aggressive men in the prime of their
career to just jump from that job to that job,
they're gonna, They're gonna, That's that's their nature. That's who
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they are. A Lane is an aggressive, dynamic wizard, offensively
looking for the next great challenge and wanting to be
able to compete annually for national titles. Here was yesterday.
I mean the old miss media is freaking out and
Lane has just gotta roll his eyes.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Blake Keith released a statement on Friday that's saying that
you him and Chancellor voice out a meeting about your future.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Are you able to elaborate on the nature of that
meeting at all?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Very chard question, but are not answering anything that doesn't
have to do with the game and the team and
the season for you? When you think about the how
of the last two weeks has kind of played out,
Is there anything if you could you would change? Well,
you say that, but people said the same thing about
the forty game. You know that there was all this
distraction and how can the team focus? When Keith says
expects a decision on Saturday, is that a decision that's
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been made or is that still in consideration?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Like they were just curious about that.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Yeah, so I mean you can just keep going. Not
going to answer him, So that's three of them.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
He's gonna have to wait. Sorry, Beat reporters. You're just
gonna have to wait on that. But ole Miss couldn't
possibly be naive when they hired Lane Kiffin. They knew
they were getting an A plus plus recruiter and an
A plus plus plus offensive guy who has a history of,
like a lot of coaches in college football on their prime,
wanting to land at a job where you can compete
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for a national title every single year. That often recruits itself. Georgia, LSU,
Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma is a handful of those.
Ole Miss is not one of those good program, fun program.
That is not one of those. Jmack with the News,
No no, no tar on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
This is the herdline News.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Let's get started with this Philadelphia Eagles debacle. Up twenty
one to nothing Colin against the Cowboys and they choke
it away and lose. Sa Quon Barkley said after the
game he felt that Dallas quote wanted it more. Okay,
let that sink in and then listen to Nick Sirianni,
who vehemently disagreed with him.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Obviously, they win and they got to win, so there's
always things that factor into it. As far as you know,
our determination our effort. I saw that it was you know,
it was high, and I think, like I said, we
were obviously Saquan felt for something last night, and you
know he's got a great pulse for everything. But you know,
if you as you watch the tape, you know, as
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you look at the tape, which you know obviously after
the game, we don't have the luxury of looking at
the tape before we go in and talk to you guys,
But I felt like that fort was really really high
in that game.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, I don't know. Offensively, I still I don't understand
how the offensive coordinator isn't falling under more scrutiny. Colin.
A lot of people are cutting up clips from these
three and outs and the place sequencing is just awful.
It's very predictable, and the Cowboys defense, which got run
early in this game, was able.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
To stop everything. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I don't what the concern level is for you with
the Eagles, but well, it's a really good roster and
they tend to figure things out.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But we're just gonna have to acknowledge Saquan's not going
to be great this year and the defense is better
than the offense. Now, I still think they're gonna win
multiple playoff games. And it's one game, but that we've
seen multiple halves where they're literally six three and outs
or five to three and outs. So it's a reality
of what they are. Defense is going to win playoff
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games for this team. I mean a couple of downfield throws.
Jalen is very good downfield ball, like Russell Wilson dev
aj Brown. But they're not gonna run the football in
the playoffs. They haven't run it all year. They're not
going to, so they can't rely on Yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Wonder you have fourteen point blown lead against the Broncos
in the fourth fourteen point blown lead. If that doesn't happen,
it's the offense can do anything. We're looking at by
far the best team in the NFL. Yes, absolutely, and
yet we're all panicking about them. I do a very
strange time, by the way, Bears, your Bears getting seven. Now,
I know you're a big black Friday guy battling people
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at malls trying to pick up stuff. You're not gonna
miss Bears Eagles?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Right, No, No, I'm not all right.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Let's move on to the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson.
So I don't want to say they got exposed a
little against the Jets, but the Jets had traded Sauce
Gardner Conen Williams and really bottled up this offense. And
a lot of the focus now is coming on Lamar Jackson.
He's averaging career loads in rushing attempts, yards and touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Obviously he had the injury.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
He's been sacked on eleven percent of his dropbacks, by far,
the highest of his career. You don't want to say
he's getting old, because this guy's still in his mid twenties,
but you know, is he not healthy at this point?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Like? What do we know?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
And again, if I'm in that media scrum with Harbaugh today,
I'm like, you know, it's Lamar one hundred percent because
it doesn't appear to anybody that he.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, he does not have the juice. He's not one
hundred percent. I'll say it again, brock Purty wouldn't come
out and make an excuse. Rock Purty is not at
one hundred percent. His ball last night all of his
picks were behind the receiver. Why he didn't have any
loss in Okay, I mean, so brock Purty's one hundred
percent have you watched Lamar Jackson. He didn't get slow. No.
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Last two months, He's not a one hundred percent I've
talked to players in the NFL about this. Even Tom
Brady's like, nobody's totally healthy late November. Everybody's dinged up.
It doesn't matter if you're doing pilates yoga. Everybody's dinged up.
It's cold. It hurts more when you get hit. I
watched Cincinnati, I watched Baltimore this past weekend. That offense
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for Baltimore is you think Philadelphia is out of rhythm.
They are just making it up. There's no sequence to
me when I watch him. They're broken. I like the
Packers were a few weeks ago. I feel like Baltimore's
broken offensively and has to reboot.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, it does not look good. And Kyle Hamilton did
you see he went down against the Jets. He is
like a huge chess piece for them.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I don't like anything about the Bengals. The defense is
a joke. The coach is not good at all. I'm
considering taking the seven points here against the Ravens in
the divisional matchup.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
T Higgins, by the way, he's been ruled out with
a concussion. Final story, Colin, this is an ugly when
college football. So Brian Kelly is really getting in a
legal back and forth with LSU over his firing Colin.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
This is ugly. I mean, this is going to get expensive.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
This Hopefully we get this sorted out quickly, but essentially
Kelly and his lawyers are alleging that LSU is holding
him back from getting another head coaching job. LSU is saying, hey, man,
we don't know you fifty four million because we fired
you with cause. And they're like, what's the cause And
LSU has nothing, They have shown nothing, and they're like, well,
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we didn't actually fire you.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It was a dismissal.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And it's like Colin again, I know you think this.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It looks it looks shady. LSU looks really shady to me. Yeah,
if you're laying Kiffin and.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Said, I know he watches the show, are you advising Lane?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You want to go to that? No? I don't ca.
I mean listen again, I would stay at Old miss
or go pro, go to the Tennessee Titans. That's what
I would do if I was Lane. I would I
think Florida is a better job than LSU. For me, lifestyle,
quality of life, Gainesville not that far, you know, from
the Atlantic Ocean. I think Florida is a great job,
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top five or six job in the country. But my
guess is LSU, more desperate, will pay more money.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Well, you've talked about this all the time with jobs
management matters.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh and like I know, LSU.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Oh my gosh, they won national championships. Ed ojeron Joe Burrow.
Look at currently right now? What's going on there? And
you really want to go into that. I wouldn't you
feel you could trust those guys?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, no, no, that's the answer. Jmck with the.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
News, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So I saw this headline this I'm gonna throw something
at you that I think is an arbitrary number that
everybody in sports sees it as a number having value,
and I see it as an arbitrary number that doesn't
really mean anything. So Mike Tomlin and the Steelers have
not had a losing season in twenty one seasons. Who
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but there's a story this morning. Is the hot seat
heating up? Well, he hasn't won a playoff game in
eight years. He would be fired if he was the
Eagles coach or the Cowboys coach. He would be fired.
If he was I mean the New England coach, the
San Francisco coach, the Green Bay coach. Green Bay, you
gotta win playoff games. He'd be fired if he was
the Ravens coach. But in Pittsburgh it's old school and
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they take pride and stuff like we have not had
a losing season in twenty one years. I want you
to think about that. I went and looked this up
this morning, in that same stretch twenty one seasons, to
show you how little that means. We haven't had a
losing season. In that same stretch twenty one seasons, sixty
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NFL teams with winning records missed the playoffs. Winning record
doesn't mean anything, it doesn't guarantee anything. In twenty one seasons,
four times they were five hundred, another four they were
a game over. What does it mean. It's just an
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arbitrary number. So let me give you five, four or
five teams that in twenty one seasons have had losing seasons.
The Chiefs, Philadelphia, Rams, Tampa Bay, the Patriots they bought
them out. They have losing seasons so you know this
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whole thing about Mike Tomlin not having a losing season.
Let me throw this at you. You know who has
the longest streak in the NBA of not having a
losing season? I want you to think about this. Give it,
give it ten seconds. What NBA franchise has the longest
streak of non losing seasons? The Clippers fourteen. In their
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own city, the Lakers make fun of the Clippers. Genie Buss,
the former owner, used to make fun of the Clippers
privately and publicly. They were a laughing stock. Didn't matter
if Steve Balmer had ten times the net worth. The
Clippers are like the eye roll of Los Angeles, and
they got good people in the building in Tyler's. You're
the Clippers. I mean, you got a bunch of banners.
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But it's just to me, it's just I mean at
Pittsburgh is it's a small city. You know, I get it.
It's old school, you know. I mean, you go to
a party in Pittsburgh, you talk about it's like Saint Louis,
where'd you go to high school? That's like, that's like
not a conversation in New York, Chicago, Philly, Boston, San Francisco,
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La Saint Louis, Pittsburgh, Hey, where'd you go to high school?
I don't know, I'm forty four. Who cares? But that
you know, I get it. But this whole arbitrary. I
would rather have the Steelers bought them out this year.
And if Dante Moore is available, go grab him. I
mean that to me. Go get a legitimate franchise quarterback
for fifteen years, twelve of it in this prime. So
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but I this whole Tomlin thing, bella chick and Andy
Reid got let go. It's nothing against Mike, but this
arbitrary twenty one years without a losing record, it means nothing.
Winning record. Sixty teams in twenty one years have had
a winning record or were not sub five hundred, did
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not have a losing season, and to make the playoffs.
I don't know what everybody's getting worked up about in Pittsburgh,
but yeah, I mean I've been saying this for four years.
Their tone, deft offense, they don't take quarterbacks seriously, all right,
hurt hierarchy. Top of the hour. I saw this. So
Michigan Ohio State is Saturday, and I strongly believe that
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Ohio State as long as at least one of their
two star receivers at least one plays like Carnell Tait
Jeremiah Smith. If both play, they're gonna win easily. If
one plays, they're gonna win. If neither plays, it kind
of changes the calculus, like you don't have to play
defense the same way. And I do think Michigan between
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the quarterback Underwood, who is a baller, and marsh Trump,
one of the better receiving talents they've had in a decade,
those guys are playmakers and they're playing at home. But
let's just be honest about Ohio State and Michigan, the
football programs and the history here. I'll try to be
as honest as I can.
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So Michigan hosts Ohio State this week, and I've said
I like Ohio State comfortable. So I'm a huge Jim
Harball fan. I think there's an argument he's if you
count college and pro. The NBA Basketball Hall of Fame counts,
college counts, Pro counts everything you know, our pro football
Hall of Fame, it's just pros. If you had a
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Hall of Fame in football like basketball, there's an argument.
Jim Harball is one of the great coaches in the
history of the sport. For nine years I defended him
against what I considered to be short sighted critics and
reactive critics. I think he's a great football coach. But
make no mistake, Ohio State's the better football program than Michigan.
Michigan is the superior university. The law school's better, the
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business schools better, the medical school. Michigan is a top
three public university in America. Try to get my daughter
to go there, Dad, it's too cold. Okay, whatever, good school.
But you say, buck eyes, you think college football. They
have an SEC commitment and SEC tribal passion, an obsessed
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nature to them that Michigan doesn't quite have, and they're
proud of it like SEC schools. So on Saturdays, Columbus
is the most northern southern city in America. It's just different.
So and I always said this hardball is the reason
they won the Natty. If you go look at all
those Michigan stars that dominated at Ohio State the last
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couple of years, none of them have hit in the NFL.
Blake Corham, Invisible, JJ McCarthy, Mason Graham, Roman Wilson, Kenneth Grant.
Ye go look around the league at Ohio State, guys,
they're the top of every roster they're on. So in fact,
that national championship in Michigan, if you go and look
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at what they call talent composite rankings, Michigan's was fourteenth,
the lowest since the College Football Playoff has existed for
national champion. That was a hardball national championship. They won
games without throwing a pass in halves. So Ohio State
football is a machine. Michigan is very head coach reliant.
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Ohio State take away at interim coaches. Ohio State wins
with everybody. And don't forget from two thousand and one
to twenty nineteen, Ohio State was seventeen and two. Okay,
go look at Urban Myers. You know, record in the matchup.
So as long as Ohio State's wide receivers, one of
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their two superstars are healthy, they're going to win the game.
But I said this before. College football is very much
a coaches sport. The NFL is a quarterport. And I
don't think you can replace Jim Harbaugh, who you know,
and people say, well it took him a while. Again,
Michigan is Notre Dame. Not everybody can get in. It
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is rigorous academically. Michigan graduates, I know they love football,
but business first. Ohio State people, I know, it's football first.
It's not a criticism, it's a reality. So you know,
on the show, from time to time we'll talk odds,
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so people ask me a lot. I ran into somebody
yesterday in Chicago, oh I think about the Bears and
I said, you know, I don't know, but I know
Vegas doesn't like him. So the Bears are in first
place eight and three. They are a seven point dog
to a team that can't run the football and very
frequently can't score Philadelphia. Now think about that Kuddy Carolina
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against the defense in San Francisco with no pass rush.
Creuddy Carolina was a seven point dog last night. Last
week three and seven Cincinnati three and seven at the
time without Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase was a seven
and a half point dog to number one seed New England.
So Vegas is telling you you're basically Cincinnati with no
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Joe Burrow against the Patriots, your creuddy Carolina against Kyle
Shanahan and Robert Sala. So Vegas does not buy the
Chicago Bears, who it should be noted, are the second
best rushing team in the NFL. What does rushing do
helps you on the road. The number one rushing team
in the league is Seattle. I think Seattle's won ten
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of their last eleven road games. Why is Seattle so
good on the road? Because Seattle runs it and plays defense.
That's what wins on the road. Vertical passing games. Miami
Dolphins when they had Waddle and Tyreek Hill does not
win on the road late in the season. So Chicago
to me is actually, if they had a better defense,
the run game should help on the road. Take the
crowd out of it long drives. But it's kind of
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remarkable to me that Chicago has this great record and
Vegas looks at them and goes, yeah, you're kind of
Carolina going to face the Niners. You know, he kind
of Cincinnati host in New England. Seven point spread in
the NFL is a fat number. Here's Ben Johnson this
week on this group of guys and the closeness they have.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
I think we'll get the right type of guys and
that's you know, Ryan's really done a great job with
constructing the roster that way. But the veteran leadership is outstanding.
Kevin Byron, Joe Tooney, Grady probably have ten or twelve
guys that are really lean into on a weekly basis
just to get a pulse of the team, and they
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do a really good job of keeping the main thing
the main thing in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think you can go six
and one in close games. Kansas City last year was
great and close games. You gotta a good locker room.
It's not just the coach in the quarterback. You gotta
gotta have a good room, you know. I mean when
you get when you get in close games and you
trail late, and you watch Kansas City against the Colts
this weekend. I think Chicago's got a really good locker room.
And I also think their secondary is a little bit
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better than people think they take the ball away. They
got their DB's cats like wide receivers. But I will
tell you Matt Hasselbeck has yet to buy in, and
his opinion is one I hear a lot privately around
the NFL on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I guess where I'm not like putting him in the
Hall of Fame and fitting him for a gold jacket
like you want to do. I just don't think this
Bears team has played anybody quite yet. Now we will
get to know who this Bears team is because the
you know, five of the next six games or whatever
are against teams that are way better than the teams
that they beat. They haven't beat great teams. I think
this is Ben Johnson has proven he is a great
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coach and he's the guy. If someone can take him
to that next level, I think Ben Johnson would be
the guy.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I want to go back and again, I think Philadelphia
off a loss. Nothing pulls a locker room together like
blowing a three touchdown lead in the game and losing
New Arrival. So it's going to be an angry, intense
week of practice in Philadelphia. And the last time we
saw the Bears really go east to Baltimore. They lost
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to Tyler Huntley. So I think the Bears are a
good team. Are they a heard hierarchy team. We'll see
they're not a great team. And they have beaten bad
teams in close games. That's okay. Winning is winning. Denver's
winning a lot of close games some over bad teams.
Winning is winning. So I want to go back to something.
My set at the top of the show is I
really think brock Perty's fine, but if you make more
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than Mahomes and Stafford, I'm going to hold you to
a different level. Cam Ward is not winning games. I
thought he played great this weekend. Nobody's trying to convince
me cam Ward is great. Bryce Young is mid, but
nobody's trying to convince me he's not. Jay mackettn't the
only person that keeps telling me in this guy's special.
And I do think there's something to be said. He's
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not been good necessarily. I think he puts pressure on himself.
And I'll give you an example. In the early Sunday window,
brock Purty is Tom Brady. Now, obviously, in the early
Sunday window, you play a lot of Carolinas, you play
a lot of Atlantas. You play a lot of Arizona.
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You know, you play average teams in the early window.
By and large, the NFL puts the better teams late
Fox window Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday. They want some
marquee quarterbacks in the early Sunday window. In his career,
brock Purty has eleven touchdowns, two picks, and a one
to ten passer rating. He is elite. Those are elite
numbers on Monday Night football when the league's watching, and
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I think he wants to put on a little bit
of a show. He puts pressure on himself. Not showing off,
but he puts pressure on himself. He gets a little
more reckless. Five touchdowns, eleven picks, seventy five passer rating,
and generally you play better teams. Last was an exception.
Caroline is not in standalone games very much, even in Charlotte. Okay,
they're just not so you know again, I think he's
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got a bad toe and he's just not gonna He's
just not the kind of kid. He's a good kid,
good family. He's not gonna go out and say make
excuses and play a victim. He's not going to do that.
I mean I think it's pretty obvious if you watched
him last night. He's not getting velocity in his ball,
and he doesn't have a bad arm. He didn't have
a great arm, but his arm is good enough. And
he's a very aggressive player, which I like. That's the
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thing I like about him. He's a smart kid. He's
a good kid, and he's aggressive, like he'll throw the
ball down the field, he'll throw picks. But if you
watch the interceptions last night, that is not brock pretty though.
Those interceptions were the ball hung, it was behind. It
was the same interception three times. It was literally the
same interception three times, and it was a velocity issue.
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Wasn't necessarily accuracy, it was just a velocity in you
the ball hung. So I think he's too good of
a kid to say my toe's terrible. He's not going
to do that, but you can't tell me. It's like
Lamar Jackson's the same way. Lamar's never going to play
a victim. Lamar's never going to say I'm not healthy.
It's just not who Lamar is. He's too competitive and
Brock super competitive. Lamar Jackson watch him, he is not
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one hundred percent brock perty is not one hundred percent,
but he wants to play. Kyle wants him to play.
And if your substitutes playing his arsof you want to
get out there and take the job back. Herd hierarchy
Nick right next,
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go Tuesday on Thanksgiving week, we're live. We're
in Chicago. It's the Herd. One hour from now, the
Herd Hierarchy. What are we gonna do with, oh Chicago Bears. Well,
they make their first appearance in the Herd Hierarchy. Great
to have you in today. You know, it was so
fun because I've brought Pretty was obviously awful last night,
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and in the first half I thought, well, he had
a toe injury, and I thought, all right, I said
it on my podcast at the volume last night. I said,
he's obvious. He can't drive the ball. Every one of
his interceptions was behind the guy and they kind of
hung in the air. There was no zip on the ball.
And Pretty came out after the game and said it
had nothing to do with my toe. Oh, so you
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were just awful against Carolina that has no pass rush. Listen,
we watch Matt Stafford on Sunday Night Football. That's a
Hall of Famer mastery of the position. Big arm, pre snap,
looks left, fire's right. Last night you saw two average quarterbacks.
One's making a fortune and one wants to make a fortune.
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Five picks total, multiple bad throws to open receivers. And remember,
the NFL's not baseball where we care about history. It's
not the NBA where style matters. The NFL. When you're
a quarterback, it's about your last twenty starts. It's about now,
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last twenty starts. Matt Stafford brought pretty and Bryce Young.
Matt Stafford's forty three to five. That is an elite
friend quarterback. Forty three touchdowns, five picks. Bryce Young at
least has a two to one touchdown to interception ratio
with a bunch of kids at wide receiver Brock Purty
thirty touchdowns, nineteen picks, and by the way, on Monday
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Night Football, he presses because he wants to show everybody
in a standalone game, hey, I belong Monday Night Football.
In his career, five touchdowns, eleven picks, seventy five passer rating,
so I said in August, Rams are going to win
the division best roster, Seattle's close, San Francisco third. In fact,
the only two things with the Diners this year that
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have blown me away. Robert Salad deserves a head coaching job.
What he is doing without Warner, without Bosa, without Fungo's
now with Denver, I don't know they're doing it. It's
just kids. And I mean Bryce Youlln was great a
week ago, he was atrocious last night. So and Christian
McCaffrey is I mean, honestly, he should get paid overtime.
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I mean, he is the offense. But everybody keeps trying
to convince Colin you're tough on brock pretty No, no, you're
trying to convince me he's elite. If you'd stop doing that,
I'd stop talking about him. Well, he's smart, so was Aristotle.
I need elite quarterback traits, arm size, mobility like Bryce Young.
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It's not a franchise quarterback. He's a bridge quarterback. He's
not a backup. He's a bridge. But nobody's trying to
convince me he's an all timer. So so you guys
keep trying to convince me, Oh, this is what this
is what it looks like when he had a stacked
roster and people didn't have a lot of film on him.
He was at an Iowa State and he was he
was healthy. It's kind of fun, and he moves pretty well.
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Said it last week after the Arizona game. He moves
pretty well. But do you know since he entered the NFL,
he leads the NFL in interceptions on first down, leads
the NFL in it that is the easiest, most favorable
down to pass on. So last night there's three picks.
They were all behind the receivers. None of them had
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any velocity behind him. So he may say the toe
is fine, it's not. You can tell he's not at
one hundred percent. But on on throws down the field
last night he was one for eight with three picks.
But this year, on throws just ten yards down the field,
he's the NFL's worst quarterback. One touchdown, seven picks. So well, Colin,
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Once you make fifty three million a year, that's more
than Mahomes and it's more than Matt Stafford. If you
made twelve million a year, or you had Bryce Young's contract,
I wouldn't care. Or if you weren't trying to convince
me My eyes don't lie, yours don't either. Those three picks,
those are not fifty three million dollars a year throws.
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In fact, ask yourself this after the game. Listen to
what the reporters ask Kyle Shanahan. Listen to this.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
I mean, you got to think about Olivin whitse happening.
You know, it makes me a lot more hesitant if
they're all bad decisions and stuff.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
But he was seeing it right.
Speaker 3 (05:06):
They're all really good decisions, just missed the.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Throw on them.
Speaker 3 (05:10):
So uh, you know, I think it's it's a lot
worse when you feel like he's not making the right decisions.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
Yeah, he was asked to that answer. He was asked
if he considered benching brock Pretty. Has anybody ever asked
if Joe Burrow, Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar, Justin Herbert should
be benched again? If you make fifty three million, you
can never ask that question, you know, I think you
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should maybe consider mac Jones what you're paying in fifty
three million. I'm not anti rock Pretty. He's fine, but
he's really inconsistent, not good throwing downfield. That's all I'm saying,
if you stop trying to convince me he's in that
upper crust, then I'll stop talking about Okay, so I
don't think Senor Sanders is upper crust, but I want
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to talk about this. He's going to be the starter
for the Cleveland Browns, I would imagine the rest of
the way. I think we've seen enough Dylan Gabriel so
over the course of my life, and you've probably noticed
this too. There are certain people that walk into a
room and they take the oxygen out of it. They're negative,
they're risk averse, they're rigid, they like just suck all
the energy and oxygen and vibe out of the room.
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And then there are people that come into a room
and they're optimistic, optimistic, and they've got a little juice
and they've got a lot of confidence and they want
to take a big swing in life. That Shanor Sanders.
I don't care about the stats watching him and then
watching Dylan Gabriel. One guy plays it safe and one
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guy throws it down the field and takes swings. And
pro football locker rooms are fifty five alphas. It's guys
who take swings. It's aggressive men and Robert Griffin, the
third RG three, on the show yesterday, said he noticed.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
That when you watch the game, the brown played with
more energy, more purpose, and more excitement than they have
all season long because of his ability to make the
extended play, and with that comes mistakes. He'd do a
bad interception, but he bounced back really well off of it.
I think he has the pulse of the team, the
pulse of the city. He is self aware that he
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believes he is going to be successful, so he speaks confidently,
he walks around confidently, and that is why he's not afraid.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Yeah. I mean when I watched him against the Raiders,
and it's the Raiders, but it's an NFL team, it
looked like Colorado. Shadour throws the ball down the field
and he's accurate. Dylan Gabriel plays it safe, right, and
bosses love employees who play it safe and never get
the boss in trouble. He runs all the plays Shadour doesn't.
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He plays with more confidence, he takes more risks. Dylan Gabriel,
do you realize this led the NFL? He was last
in the NFL in yards per attempt this year. Dylan
Gabriel Shadeur Sanders led the entire league this Sunday in
the Yardsboro attempt. They're the opposite. They're literally the opposite
kind of quarterback. So in my take, if you're Cleveland
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is you're not going to get rich in life. Investing
in four oh one k's, you can get comfortable or content.
Dylan Gabriel is not even a four to oh one K.
He's that savings bond grandma gave you when you were nine.
There's just no upside. It's safe. He's not taking any risks.
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But I think in pro football locker rooms that kind
of pulls the energy and the juice out of the room.
You got fifty five NFL bodies. I mean, Miles Garrett's
reaction to Shadeur Sanders is, Oh, this is fun. We
got a guy. So now I think Schadeur's a little goofy.
I like my quarterbacks to be serious and intense. I
really like Peyton Manning. I really like the intensity of
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Lamar Jackson, who gets mad at himself. I like serious, intense,
totally focused quarterback and shooters a little goofy. He's a
little casual, you know. I think sometimes he's a little juvenile.
He feels like a kid. But I don't think you
can deny that there's a different feeling when he's the
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quarterback of the Cleveland Browns. It just looks and feels differently.
And that's why I should start little Goofy for my taste.
But he does add something as RG three talked about.
And by the way, I have no problem with joyful,
funny professional athletes. Somebody told me this year's ago. If
you're in a serious profession like accounting or tech, have
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a sense of humor, lighten up. And if you're in
a funny or a or an entertainment field, music, sports, comedy,
take it seriously. Larry David and Jerry Seinfeld take comedy seriously.
So did Letterman and Leto. They take comedy serious. It's
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a real career, Ricky Gervais, it's a real career. I
like my quarterbacks in entertainment, my musicians, my singers. You
know it's Mick Jagger, Paul McCartney, Bono, they take it seriously.
John bon Jovi is still touring making money. Take it seriously.
When you get into sports, I like, really focused because
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there's goofballs everywhere in entertainment, music and the movies and comedy.
There's goofballs everywhere in those kind of careers. I think
he got to be a little bit more serious to me.
Shadour's a little goofy for me, but he's a joyful kid,
and I think he should start, all right, Jay mac listen,
I know it's a rough day. You love brock Purty,
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but I think America after the first half, we all
summarily agreed was awful football, not just quarterback play. You
know what I couldn't figure out this? Ricodowell is one
of these NFL running backs. You're like, can you just
give him the ball? Why didn't Dave Canalis get Rico
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Dowdell six attempts? He's your Christian McCaffrey. I mean, say
what you want about Kyle Shanahan. The entire offense drives
through Christian McCaffrey. You have your Christian McCaffrey. Is he
as good? I don't know, but Rico Dowdell is a really,
really fun player. He got the ball six times out
of the backfield. What are you doing?
Speaker 4 (11:23):
It was a wacky game, was it not. It just
fell all around like the pretty interceptions and.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
Listen, I'm gonna pull a you.
Speaker 4 (11:30):
Last week, you know, member Sam Darnold threw four picks
against the Rams, and you're like, I don't really care
about interceptions. You're trying things.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
Rockberty was trying things last night. None of them worked. Okay,
he had a bad half. It was bad. You flush it,
you move on.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
I am worried, however, about this Browns game, because oh,
the defense at home is nasty.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Oh, let me just tell you right now, I have
revised what I said yesterday. Cleveland plus six and a
half points at home with cruddy Weather is the bet
of the weekend against the Niners on a short wee. Yeah,
and he did on the weekend.
Speaker 4 (12:01):
Remember a couple of years ago he went to Cleveland
and had a loss. They were missing a couple of weapons.
But this is going to be a difficult game for him.
And I'll be honest if you ask me Jayback, what
the hell was wrong with pretty I think in an
Island game he was pressing a little biting that Mac
Jones had good run and he's coming off the injury
and it was in his head.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You know, like what happens. Listen, brock Purdy has been
bad on Monday Night Football, five touchdowns, eleven picks. I
think it's a showcase. He feels a little bit of pressure.
He wants to show he belongs in the one o'clock
window or when he's playing in Arizona. He's magic. But
I think he was pressing totally last night. Fine. I
got some thoughts on Lane Kiffin. You know, it just
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cracks me up how everybody's after Lane Kiffin. I just
I just don't get it. And I got thoughts on
Michigan Ohio State and Michigan fans aren't gonna like it.
We got heard hierarchy, Nick Right, Good show today.
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Speaker 1 (13:39):
So I watching this Lane Kiffin circus just cracks me up.
I mean, oh, Miss knew what they were getting when
they were hiring Lane Kiffin. Who will make a decision
Friday or Saturday where he's gonna coach? They knew what
they were getting. When I hear this, even from people
at Fox, well, it's gonna ruin his repation. Lane Kiffin's
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reputation is offensive. Wizard, that's it. That's why us. He
hired him, The Raiders hired him, Tennessee hired him, a
school in Florida hired him, and ole Miss hired him
and didn't hired him because he was relatable. He is
a nice guy, he was loyal. I know Lane. I
like him. I've had a cocktail or two when he
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used to do that. He's interesting, he knows his stuff,
and Ole Miss wasn't naive. College football, folks, is bitcoin.
It's unregulated. It's the wild wild West with a lack
of corporate structure. Every man for himself, and college football
allows you to steal another program's coach. Don't be mad
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at Lane, be mad at LSU in Florida. I mean,
you guys are supposed to all kind of be in
a conference. You've defended each other for years. When you
were all cheating and recruiting pre nil, there was always
a rule don't rat on the se right, like everybody
kind of knew until Hugh Freeze was so ridiculous an
Old Miss doing it they had to call him on it.
So but this idea, well, this is you know, the
(15:10):
only time anybody is disappointed with Lane Kiffin. When Old
Miss doesn't score thirty five points. That's when he's disappointing.
Because since he arrived at Old Miss, they're the number
one offense in the country by a mile. And that's
why it gets jobs. This idea. Listen, Old Miss, don't
marry the rock star and find out he's cheating on
(15:32):
the road. That's the reality of this sport. Whenever I
hear the media get precious about college football, it is
bitcoin with a whistle. It's totally wild wild West. They
can't even get the schedules right. And I love the sport.
USC hired a guy named Clay Helton, wonderful guy. Family,
faith in football. You know where he's at, Georgia Southern.
(15:54):
There are certain traits the great coaches have, Saban Urban, Dabbo, Lane,
Kirby Smart. They all have the same traits. It's not
warm and fuzzy. It's not loyal. It's aggressive, intense and
hyper competitive. And I've met all of them and I
like all of them. I love Urban and Lane and
(16:15):
Jim and Dabble and Save. I've met all of them.
Haven't met Kirby Smart, but he kind of feels like
it's the same thing. So this idea, you know, everybody's
like and the media cracks me up. It's like, well,
when are we gonna get an answer? When Lane wants
to give you one, go ahead, fire him. See if
he gets somebody that good, Well, you know him, you're
defending him. No, I know college football, and I'm defending
(16:35):
him in the NFL. You can't go poach Andy Reid
in the middle of a season. College football allows it.
I said this yesterday Wall Street, Silicon Valley or sports.
If you allow aggressive men in the prime of their
career to just jump from that job to that job,
they're gonna, They're gonna, That's that's their nature. That's who
(16:59):
they are. A Lane is an aggressive, dynamic wizard, offensively
looking for the next great challenge and wanting to be
able to compete annually for national titles. Here was yesterday.
I mean the old miss media is freaking out and
Lane has just gotta roll his eyes.
Speaker 5 (17:18):
Blake Keith released a statement on Friday that's saying that
you him and Chancellor voice out a meeting about your future.
Speaker 1 (17:24):
Are you able to elaborate on the nature of that
meeting at all?
Speaker 6 (17:27):
Very chard question, but are not answering anything that doesn't
have to do with the game and the team and
the season for you? When you think about the how
of the last two weeks has kind of played out,
Is there anything if you could you would change? Well,
you say that, but people said the same thing about
the forty game. You know that there was all this
distraction and how can the team focus? When Keith says
expects a decision on Saturday, is that a decision that's
(17:49):
been made or is that still in consideration?
Speaker 1 (17:52):
Like they were just curious about that.
Speaker 6 (17:55):
Yeah, so I mean you can just keep going. Not
going to answer him, So that's three of them.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
He's gonna have to wait. Sorry, Beat reporters. You're just
gonna have to wait on that. But ole Miss couldn't
possibly be naive when they hired Lane Kiffin. They knew
they were getting an A plus plus recruiter and an
A plus plus plus offensive guy who has a history of,
like a lot of coaches in college football on their prime,
wanting to land at a job where you can compete
(18:23):
for a national title every single year. That often recruits itself. Georgia, LSU,
Ohio State, Alabama, Texas, Oklahoma is a handful of those.
Ole Miss is not one of those good program, fun program.
That is not one of those. Jmack with the News,
No no, no tar on the news.
Speaker 2 (18:43):
This is the herdline News.
Speaker 4 (18:46):
Let's get started with this Philadelphia Eagles debacle. Up twenty
one to nothing Colin against the Cowboys and they choke
it away and lose. Sa Quon Barkley said after the
game he felt that Dallas quote wanted it more. Okay,
let that sink in and then listen to Nick Sirianni,
who vehemently disagreed with him.
Speaker 7 (19:07):
Obviously, they win and they got to win, so there's
always things that factor into it. As far as you know,
our determination our effort. I saw that it was you know,
it was high, and I think, like I said, we
were obviously Saquan felt for something last night, and you
know he's got a great pulse for everything. But you know,
if you as you watch the tape, you know, as
(19:29):
you look at the tape, which you know obviously after
the game, we don't have the luxury of looking at
the tape before we go in and talk to you guys,
But I felt like that fort was really really high
in that game.
Speaker 4 (19:41):
Yeah, I don't know. Offensively, I still I don't understand
how the offensive coordinator isn't falling under more scrutiny. Colin.
A lot of people are cutting up clips from these
three and outs and the place sequencing is just awful.
It's very predictable, and the Cowboys defense, which got run
early in this game, was able.
Speaker 1 (19:57):
To stop everything. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:59):
I don't what the concern level is for you with
the Eagles, but well, it's a really good roster and
they tend to figure things out.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
But we're just gonna have to acknowledge Saquan's not going
to be great this year and the defense is better
than the offense. Now, I still think they're gonna win
multiple playoff games. And it's one game, but that we've
seen multiple halves where they're literally six three and outs
or five to three and outs. So it's a reality
of what they are. Defense is going to win playoff
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games for this team. I mean a couple of downfield throws.
Jalen is very good downfield ball, like Russell Wilson dev
aj Brown. But they're not gonna run the football in
the playoffs. They haven't run it all year. They're not
going to, so they can't rely on Yeah, you.
Speaker 4 (20:44):
Wonder you have fourteen point blown lead against the Broncos
in the fourth fourteen point blown lead. If that doesn't happen,
it's the offense can do anything. We're looking at by
far the best team in the NFL. Yes, absolutely, and
yet we're all panicking about them. I do a very
strange time, by the way, Bears, your Bears getting seven. Now,
I know you're a big black Friday guy battling people
(21:06):
at malls trying to pick up stuff. You're not gonna
miss Bears Eagles?
Speaker 1 (21:11):
Right, No, No, I'm not all right.
Speaker 4 (21:13):
Let's move on to the Baltimore Ravens and Lamar Jackson.
So I don't want to say they got exposed a
little against the Jets, but the Jets had traded Sauce
Gardner Conen Williams and really bottled up this offense. And
a lot of the focus now is coming on Lamar Jackson.
He's averaging career loads in rushing attempts, yards and touchdowns.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
Obviously he had the injury.
Speaker 4 (21:33):
He's been sacked on eleven percent of his dropbacks, by far,
the highest of his career. You don't want to say
he's getting old, because this guy's still in his mid twenties,
but you know, is he not healthy at this point?
Speaker 1 (21:46):
Like? What do we know?
Speaker 4 (21:47):
And again, if I'm in that media scrum with Harbaugh today,
I'm like, you know, it's Lamar one hundred percent because
it doesn't appear to anybody that he.
Speaker 1 (21:55):
No, he does not have the juice. He's not one
hundred percent. I'll say it again, brock Purty wouldn't come
out and make an excuse. Rock Purty is not at
one hundred percent. His ball last night all of his
picks were behind the receiver. Why he didn't have any
loss in Okay, I mean, so brock Purty's one hundred
percent have you watched Lamar Jackson. He didn't get slow. No.
(22:17):
Last two months, He's not a one hundred percent I've
talked to players in the NFL about this. Even Tom
Brady's like, nobody's totally healthy late November. Everybody's dinged up.
It doesn't matter if you're doing pilates yoga. Everybody's dinged up.
It's cold. It hurts more when you get hit. I
watched Cincinnati, I watched Baltimore this past weekend. That offense
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for Baltimore is you think Philadelphia is out of rhythm.
They are just making it up. There's no sequence to
me when I watch him. They're broken. I like the
Packers were a few weeks ago. I feel like Baltimore's
broken offensively and has to reboot.
Speaker 4 (22:55):
Yeah, it does not look good. And Kyle Hamilton did
you see he went down against the Jets. He is
like a huge chess piece for them.
Speaker 1 (23:02):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
I don't like anything about the Bengals. The defense is
a joke. The coach is not good at all. I'm
considering taking the seven points here against the Ravens in
the divisional matchup.
Speaker 7 (23:11):
No.
Speaker 4 (23:11):
T Higgins, by the way, he's been ruled out with
a concussion. Final story, Colin, this is an ugly when
college football. So Brian Kelly is really getting in a
legal back and forth with LSU over his firing Colin.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
This is ugly. I mean, this is going to get expensive.
Speaker 4 (23:27):
This Hopefully we get this sorted out quickly, but essentially
Kelly and his lawyers are alleging that LSU is holding
him back from getting another head coaching job. LSU is saying, hey, man,
we don't know you fifty four million because we fired
you with cause. And they're like, what's the cause And
LSU has nothing, They have shown nothing, and they're like, well,
(23:47):
we didn't actually fire you.
Speaker 1 (23:49):
It was a dismissal.
Speaker 4 (23:51):
And it's like Colin again, I know you think this.
Speaker 1 (23:54):
It looks it looks shady. LSU looks really shady to me. Yeah,
if you're laying Kiffin and.
Speaker 4 (23:59):
Said, I know he watches the show, are you advising Lane?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You want to go to that? No? I don't ca.
I mean listen again, I would stay at Old miss
or go pro, go to the Tennessee Titans. That's what
I would do if I was Lane. I would I
think Florida is a better job than LSU. For me, lifestyle,
quality of life, Gainesville not that far, you know, from
the Atlantic Ocean. I think Florida is a great job,
(24:22):
top five or six job in the country. But my
guess is LSU, more desperate, will pay more money.
Speaker 4 (24:28):
Well, you've talked about this all the time with jobs
management matters.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
Oh and like I know, LSU.
Speaker 4 (24:34):
Oh my gosh, they won national championships. Ed ojeron Joe Burrow.
Look at currently right now? What's going on there? And
you really want to go into that. I wouldn't you
feel you could trust those guys?
Speaker 1 (24:45):
No, no, no, that's the answer. Jmck with the.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
News, Well, that's the news, and thanks for stopping by
the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
So I saw this headline this I'm gonna throw something
at you that I think is an arbitrary number that
everybody in sports sees it as a number having value,
and I see it as an arbitrary number that doesn't
really mean anything. So Mike Tomlin and the Steelers have
not had a losing season in twenty one seasons. Who
(25:23):
but there's a story this morning. Is the hot seat
heating up? Well, he hasn't won a playoff game in
eight years. He would be fired if he was the
Eagles coach or the Cowboys coach. He would be fired.
If he was I mean the New England coach, the
San Francisco coach, the Green Bay coach. Green Bay, you
gotta win playoff games. He'd be fired if he was
the Ravens coach. But in Pittsburgh it's old school and
(25:46):
they take pride and stuff like we have not had
a losing season in twenty one years. I want you
to think about that. I went and looked this up
this morning, in that same stretch twenty one seasons, to
show you how little that means. We haven't had a
losing season. In that same stretch twenty one seasons, sixty
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NFL teams with winning records missed the playoffs. Winning record
doesn't mean anything, it doesn't guarantee anything. In twenty one seasons,
four times they were five hundred, another four they were
a game over. What does it mean. It's just an
(26:32):
arbitrary number. So let me give you five, four or
five teams that in twenty one seasons have had losing seasons.
The Chiefs, Philadelphia, Rams, Tampa Bay, the Patriots they bought
them out. They have losing seasons so you know this
(26:53):
whole thing about Mike Tomlin not having a losing season.
Let me throw this at you. You know who has
the longest streak in the NBA of not having a
losing season? I want you to think about this. Give it,
give it ten seconds. What NBA franchise has the longest
streak of non losing seasons? The Clippers fourteen. In their
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own city, the Lakers make fun of the Clippers. Genie Buss,
the former owner, used to make fun of the Clippers
privately and publicly. They were a laughing stock. Didn't matter
if Steve Balmer had ten times the net worth. The
Clippers are like the eye roll of Los Angeles, and
they got good people in the building in Tyler's. You're
the Clippers. I mean, you got a bunch of banners.
(27:38):
But it's just to me, it's just I mean at
Pittsburgh is it's a small city. You know, I get it.
It's old school, you know. I mean, you go to
a party in Pittsburgh, you talk about it's like Saint Louis,
where'd you go to high school? That's like, that's like
not a conversation in New York, Chicago, Philly, Boston, San Francisco,
(27:58):
La Saint Louis, Pittsburgh, Hey, where'd you go to high school?
I don't know, I'm forty four. Who cares? But that
you know, I get it. But this whole arbitrary. I
would rather have the Steelers bought them out this year.
And if Dante Moore is available, go grab him. I
mean that to me. Go get a legitimate franchise quarterback
for fifteen years, twelve of it in this prime. So
(28:20):
but I this whole Tomlin thing, bella chick and Andy
Reid got let go. It's nothing against Mike, but this
arbitrary twenty one years without a losing record, it means nothing.
Winning record. Sixty teams in twenty one years have had
a winning record or were not sub five hundred, did
(28:40):
not have a losing season, and to make the playoffs.
I don't know what everybody's getting worked up about in Pittsburgh,
but yeah, I mean I've been saying this for four years.
Their tone, deft offense, they don't take quarterbacks seriously, all right,
hurt hierarchy. Top of the hour. I saw this. So
Michigan Ohio State is Saturday, and I strongly believe that
(29:08):
Ohio State as long as at least one of their
two star receivers at least one plays like Carnell Tait
Jeremiah Smith. If both play, they're gonna win easily. If
one plays, they're gonna win. If neither plays, it kind
of changes the calculus, like you don't have to play
defense the same way. And I do think Michigan between
(29:29):
the quarterback Underwood, who is a baller, and marsh Trump,
one of the better receiving talents they've had in a decade,
those guys are playmakers and they're playing at home. But
let's just be honest about Ohio State and Michigan, the
football programs and the history here. I'll try to be
as honest as I can.
Speaker 2 (29:47):
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Speaker 1 (29:58):
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Speaker 1 (30:05):
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Speaker 4 (30:06):
He's turned six pm Pacific on Fox underready rivalry.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
So Michigan hosts Ohio State this week, and I've said
I like Ohio State comfortable. So I'm a huge Jim
Harball fan. I think there's an argument he's if you
count college and pro. The NBA Basketball Hall of Fame counts,
college counts, Pro counts everything you know, our pro football
Hall of Fame, it's just pros. If you had a
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Hall of Fame in football like basketball, there's an argument.
Jim Harball is one of the great coaches in the
history of the sport. For nine years I defended him
against what I considered to be short sighted critics and
reactive critics. I think he's a great football coach. But
make no mistake, Ohio State's the better football program than Michigan.
Michigan is the superior university. The law school's better, the
(30:54):
business schools better, the medical school. Michigan is a top
three public university in America. Try to get my daughter
to go there, Dad, it's too cold. Okay, whatever, good school.
But you say, buck eyes, you think college football. They
have an SEC commitment and SEC tribal passion, an obsessed
(31:19):
nature to them that Michigan doesn't quite have, and they're
proud of it like SEC schools. So on Saturdays, Columbus
is the most northern southern city in America. It's just different.
So and I always said this hardball is the reason
they won the Natty. If you go look at all
those Michigan stars that dominated at Ohio State the last
(31:42):
couple of years, none of them have hit in the NFL.
Blake Corham, Invisible, JJ McCarthy, Mason Graham, Roman Wilson, Kenneth Grant.
Ye go look around the league at Ohio State, guys,
they're the top of every roster they're on. So in fact,
that national championship in Michigan, if you go and look
(32:03):
at what they call talent composite rankings, Michigan's was fourteenth,
the lowest since the College Football Playoff has existed for
national champion. That was a hardball national championship. They won
games without throwing a pass in halves. So Ohio State
football is a machine. Michigan is very head coach reliant.
(32:25):
Ohio State take away at interim coaches. Ohio State wins
with everybody. And don't forget from two thousand and one
to twenty nineteen, Ohio State was seventeen and two. Okay,
go look at Urban Myers. You know, record in the matchup.
So as long as Ohio State's wide receivers, one of
(32:49):
their two superstars are healthy, they're going to win the game.
But I said this before. College football is very much
a coaches sport. The NFL is a quarterport. And I
don't think you can replace Jim Harbaugh, who you know,
and people say, well it took him a while. Again,
Michigan is Notre Dame. Not everybody can get in. It
(33:11):
is rigorous academically. Michigan graduates, I know they love football,
but business first. Ohio State people, I know, it's football first.
It's not a criticism, it's a reality. So you know,
on the show, from time to time we'll talk odds,
(33:33):
so people ask me a lot. I ran into somebody
yesterday in Chicago, oh I think about the Bears and
I said, you know, I don't know, but I know
Vegas doesn't like him. So the Bears are in first
place eight and three. They are a seven point dog
to a team that can't run the football and very
frequently can't score Philadelphia. Now think about that Kuddy Carolina
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against the defense in San Francisco with no pass rush.
Creuddy Carolina was a seven point dog last night. Last
week three and seven Cincinnati three and seven at the
time without Joe Burrow or Jamar Chase was a seven
and a half point dog to number one seed New England.
So Vegas is telling you you're basically Cincinnati with no
(34:20):
Joe Burrow against the Patriots, your creuddy Carolina against Kyle
Shanahan and Robert Sala. So Vegas does not buy the
Chicago Bears, who it should be noted, are the second
best rushing team in the NFL. What does rushing do
helps you on the road. The number one rushing team
in the league is Seattle. I think Seattle's won ten
(34:42):
of their last eleven road games. Why is Seattle so
good on the road? Because Seattle runs it and plays defense.
That's what wins on the road. Vertical passing games. Miami
Dolphins when they had Waddle and Tyreek Hill does not
win on the road late in the season. So Chicago
to me is actually, if they had a better defense,
the run game should help on the road. Take the
crowd out of it long drives. But it's kind of
(35:06):
remarkable to me that Chicago has this great record and
Vegas looks at them and goes, yeah, you're kind of
Carolina going to face the Niners. You know, he kind
of Cincinnati host in New England. Seven point spread in
the NFL is a fat number. Here's Ben Johnson this
week on this group of guys and the closeness they have.
Speaker 8 (35:30):
I think we'll get the right type of guys and
that's you know, Ryan's really done a great job with
constructing the roster that way. But the veteran leadership is outstanding.
Kevin Byron, Joe Tooney, Grady probably have ten or twelve
guys that are really lean into on a weekly basis
just to get a pulse of the team, and they
(35:50):
do a really good job of keeping the main thing
the main thing in the locker room.
Speaker 1 (35:54):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think you can go six
and one in close games. Kansas City last year was
great and close games. You gotta a good locker room.
It's not just the coach in the quarterback. You gotta
gotta have a good room, you know. I mean when
you get when you get in close games and you
trail late, and you watch Kansas City against the Colts
this weekend. I think Chicago's got a really good locker room.
And I also think their secondary is a little bit
(36:15):
better than people think they take the ball away. They
got their DB's cats like wide receivers. But I will
tell you Matt Hasselbeck has yet to buy in, and
his opinion is one I hear a lot privately around
the NFL on Caleb Williams.
Speaker 5 (36:32):
I guess where I'm not like putting him in the
Hall of Fame and fitting him for a gold jacket
like you want to do. I just don't think this
Bears team has played anybody quite yet. Now we will
get to know who this Bears team is because the
you know, five of the next six games or whatever
are against teams that are way better than the teams
that they beat. They haven't beat great teams. I think
this is Ben Johnson has proven he is a great
(36:53):
coach and he's the guy. If someone can take him
to that next level, I think Ben Johnson would be
the guy.
Speaker 1 (36:59):
I want to go back and again, I think Philadelphia
off a loss. Nothing pulls a locker room together like
blowing a three touchdown lead in the game and losing
New Arrival. So it's going to be an angry, intense
week of practice in Philadelphia. And the last time we
saw the Bears really go east to Baltimore. They lost
(37:21):
to Tyler Huntley. So I think the Bears are a
good team. Are they a heard hierarchy team. We'll see
they're not a great team. And they have beaten bad
teams in close games. That's okay. Winning is winning. Denver's
winning a lot of close games some over bad teams.
Winning is winning. So I want to go back to something.
My set at the top of the show is I
really think brock Perty's fine, but if you make more
(37:42):
than Mahomes and Stafford, I'm going to hold you to
a different level. Cam Ward is not winning games. I
thought he played great this weekend. Nobody's trying to convince
me cam Ward is great. Bryce Young is mid, but
nobody's trying to convince me he's not. Jay mackettn't the
only person that keeps telling me in this guy's special.
And I do think there's something to be said. He's
(38:03):
not been good necessarily. I think he puts pressure on himself.
And I'll give you an example. In the early Sunday window,
brock Purty is Tom Brady. Now, obviously, in the early
Sunday window, you play a lot of Carolinas, you play
a lot of Atlantas. You play a lot of Arizona.
(38:24):
You know, you play average teams in the early window.
By and large, the NFL puts the better teams late
Fox window Sunday night, Monday night, Thursday. They want some
marquee quarterbacks in the early Sunday window. In his career,
brock Purty has eleven touchdowns, two picks, and a one
to ten passer rating. He is elite. Those are elite
numbers on Monday Night football when the league's watching, and
(38:47):
I think he wants to put on a little bit
of a show. He puts pressure on himself. Not showing off,
but he puts pressure on himself. He gets a little
more reckless. Five touchdowns, eleven picks, seventy five passer rating,
and generally you play better teams. Last was an exception.
Caroline is not in standalone games very much, even in Charlotte. Okay,
they're just not so you know again, I think he's
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got a bad toe and he's just not gonna He's
just not the kind of kid. He's a good kid,
good family. He's not gonna go out and say make
excuses and play a victim. He's not going to do that.
I mean I think it's pretty obvious if you watched
him last night. He's not getting velocity in his ball,
and he doesn't have a bad arm. He didn't have
a great arm, but his arm is good enough. And
he's a very aggressive player, which I like. That's the
(39:32):
thing I like about him. He's a smart kid. He's
a good kid, and he's aggressive, like he'll throw the
ball down the field, he'll throw picks. But if you
watch the interceptions last night, that is not brock pretty though.
Those interceptions were the ball hung, it was behind. It
was the same interception three times. It was literally the
same interception three times, and it was a velocity issue.
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Wasn't necessarily accuracy, it was just a velocity in you
the ball hung. So I think he's too good of
a kid to say my toe's terrible. He's not going
to do that, but you can't tell me. It's like
Lamar Jackson's the same way. Lamar's never going to play
a victim. Lamar's never going to say I'm not healthy.
It's just not who Lamar is. He's too competitive and
Brock super competitive. Lamar Jackson watch him, he is not
(40:15):
one hundred percent brock perty is not one hundred percent,
but he wants to play. Kyle wants him to play.
And if your substitutes playing his arsof you want to
get out there and take the job back. Herd hierarchy
Nick right next,
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