November 26, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin gives his new Blazing 5 picks for week 13 of the NFL. He talks with FOX College Football Analyst Joel Klatt about the rivalry between Ohio State and Michigan, Notre Dame being ahead of Miami in the CFP rankings, and where Ole Miss HC Lane Kiffin will be coaching next season.Plus, inn the spirit of Thanksgiving, Colin gives a list of NFL QBs who are sitting at the big table and which are sitting at the kids table.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a Wednesday Thanksgiving Eve. Joel Clatt
five minutes lazing five is sixty percent on the nose
this year. If we could maintain that, be very very happy,
very very happy. There's a lot to talk about with
Joel Klatt. He doesn't like the Lane Kiffin manipulation of
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Old Miss And my take is always reputations in college
football are based on one thing. Are you available? Are
you a good coach? Two things? Are you available, can
you coach? You'll get a job. It was Brian Kelly
Ever in Charms School he got the LSU gig. I
mean it felt so weird, you got it LSU Florida. Yeah,
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we'll take that old Miss guy repute. I mean, not
like Lane Kevin at the best reputation and before LSU
was interested, Lancoln coach, he's really good. It's an offensive sport. Now,
all right, here we go sixteen percent in the year,
blazing five on a Wednesday. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins Blazon fuck Packers
and Lions.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Listen. Two good teams. I'm gonna take the home team
on Thanksgiving. Historically, home teams do well. Lions minus two
and a half is my side. They've won six other
left eight against green Bay. They match up well, and
since Dan Campbell took over play calling, Detroit leads the
NFL in the last three weeks in yards per play.
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It's a different offense with Dan. Their defense generally pretty
good at home. The Packers. Their three road wins have
come against Arizona, Pittsburgh and the Giants. Let's slow down,
but here's more troubling Jordan Love. Since Tucker Craft got
hurt fewer than two hundred passing yards, the team's averaging
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nineteen points. Two good teams. I'll take Detroit to win
and cover twenty eight to twenty four.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Forty nine ers in Browns.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I love this line. I'll take Cleveland plus six and
a half. First of all, the Browns at home, excellent
defense and probably the most underrated roster in the league.
Miles Garrett has thirteen sacks the last month. No other
player has more than thirteen the entire season. Good luck
Niners brought pretty multiple interceptions in four of his last
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five starts, and it's gonna be windy and snowy conditions.
He has strung with ball security in crappy weather. I
also think this team is overly reliant on Christian McCaffrey.
How much gas does Christian have in the tank? I
think we saw enough from Shadur. I'm gonna take a
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close game either way. Let's say the Niners win late,
but I like the points twenty four to twenty. San
Francisco take six and a half. Saint said Dolphins. I
actually really like the Dolphins here. They're coming off of bye.
They've won three out of the last four games. Credit
Mike McDaniel. They're playing hard. They're running the ball two
of back to back games over seventy percent completion percentage.
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Miami got rid of their GM. They didn't lose their fight,
they didn't lose their passion. The defense back to back
games has played well. I like Miami a lot in
this spot. New Orleans probably the worst offense in the league,
held under twenty points in six straight games. Again, smart
offensive coach at home off of by again the tire fire.
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I'm going to take the Dolphins to win and the
Miami Dolphins playing pretty darn well to cover. Thirty three
to twenty three Cardinals, said Buccaneers. The buck stops here.
Tampa gets Bucky Irving and Chris Godwin back officially for
multiple snaps. I like Tampa to win and cover. Listen,
they're not playing well with the average twenty seven a
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game at home, and you know the losses were to Patriots, Bills, Rams,
those are good teams. Bucky Irving's back, Chris Godwin played
limited snaps last week. He's ready to go. And the
Cardinals one in eight since Week three. Arizona's got some
quit in them. We're scoring defense over the last three weeks.
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Not a lot here to like. Buccaneers. Easier opponent at home,
win and cover the spread. I like Tampa twenty seven
to twenty Vikings at Seahawks the Lions. The line now
is not the best of the line nine and a half,
ten and a half. I'll take Seattle. They've out gained
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ten straight opponents they played like garbage in the second half. Defensively,
they still win last week against Tennessee fewest sacks allowed
on offense, so Brian Flores can blitz all he wants.
They're a really high end offensive team with a force
most sacks in the league. They're at home of kind
of a cruddy defensive performance. The Vikings offense most turnovers
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in the NFL. They're starting an undrafted rookie. They've been
held under twenty points in four of their last five games.
There's nothing about Minnesota, outside of their coaches that I
really like. Right now, Seattle is going to win. It's
in the Pacific Northwest thirty to thirteen. Actually, and I
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don't I shouldn't say this because twice this year I
didn't love the numbers and went four and one. I
liked my picks Lions, Dolphins, Seattle and Tampa as favorites.
I'm gonna take Cleveland plus the points. J Max Grimacing
will find his picks in about two hours. His picks
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in two hours. Joel Klatt will be calling Ohio State
and Michigan Saturday at noon Eastern on Fox. So last year,
even though I really admire Ryan Day and like him
a lot. I think he's a great football coach. I
did think he outthought the room. I think he'd been
pushed around by Michigan, and in the Midwest there's a
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different kind of stylistic approach, and he's like, we're gonna
punch Michigan in the mouth. And it's like, just throw
the ball. You got great players, just just play your game.
And I think he played Michigan's game, you know, fooled around,
played with his food a little bit, and it caught him.
They got a little tight late. I think if at
least Carnell Tate can play, I think Ohio State is
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the signific better team here. Do you believe that?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, I mean, yes, they're they're the better team, and
that's why the spread is where it was. But they were,
I would think, better by a wider margin a year ago.
I mean, they were twenty point favorites a year ago.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So to your point, they got sucked into a game
that was Michigan's game. I firmly believe. I think Will
Howard got banged up early in that game last year.
I firmly believe that that Ryan and his coaching staff
felt like a field goal would win the game because
they didn't feel like Michigan with their quarterback play, was
going to be able to score on their defense.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And so here's Ohio State. They get into the red
zone five times last year and come away with ten
total points. That was the game.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Two missfield goals, interception in the red zone. So those
mistakes are what ultimately cost them the game, and they
could have played the exact same style.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I think what they learned from that was what they
then put into action for the playoff. And Colin, you
and I both know that that Buckeye team in the
playoff was a different team and they were aggressive down
the field. You look at what they did early in
that game against Tennessee at home in the first round.
They took shots to Jeremiah Smith. They used Smith early
and often against Oregon where they were routing them in
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the first half of that Rose Bowl. And those are
the lessons that I think need to come into play
this week for Ohio State. Be themselves, attack, attack, down
the field. And obviously the health of those wide receivers
is a bit in question. I remain optimistic that they'll
both be on the field. I think their effectiveness is
more the question than their availability. I think Smith will
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be on the field. I think Tate will be on
the field. But are they one hundred percent Can they
attack those safeties of Michigan down the field and cause
them some level of threat. I think that's really where
the game is won and loss for Ohio State. So listen,
I think Notre Dame is better than Miami now, and
I think college football is about thirty to thirty five
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percent NFL now. September just doesn't matter like it used to.
I said this before the Ohio State Texas game. If
it's close, I don't care who I said it about
Oregon Ohio State the year before. If it's close, it
doesn't matter. They've scheduled it. I'm proud of both schools
for scheduling it. You step up to the table.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I love that. My biggest knock on college football has
always been a lack of people willing to play. You know,
go to Columbus out of conference, yeah, or go to
normand Oklahoma. So like my feeling is Notre Dame is
better than Mission Miami today, and ugly losses are really
that's one thing that usually the people on these tables
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and these boards get right. You can't lose to unranked
teams if you're a top five to ten team. So
I'm okay with a much improved team by an inch
better than Miami. Miami stills to be pitt But I
know you are probably bothered deeply about the current rankings
that has Notre Dame over.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I'm not bothered. I think listen, I think that two
things can be true a once. You know, if the
committee's objective is just to give us the best teams,
and they ask themselves in the room, who wins on
a neutral site this week, yeah, I'd pick Notre Dame,
you know. So, like in that respect, do I disagree
with the ranking? No, But the committee is setting themselves
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up for a bit of a trap, and that trap
is the head to head match up against Miami. Because
if we're not honoring games on the field, then what
are we doing?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Then why are we playing them? Then let's just sit
there and have a beauty pageant and and look at
the recruiting rankings and you know, look at the rosters
and the way that they're constructed and how many stars
each year.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I don't want to get into a beauty pageant either.
There's also another trap that this committee is falling into,
and it's not honoring those non conference games that you
just talked about.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I do want to clarify just something really quickly, because
the Miami Notre Dame game is part of the ACC
scheduling agreement that Notre Dame has, so that's a little
bit out of their control. What I would say is
more impressive is that they also scheduled Texas A and
m Well, you've got this team in Michigan that's sitting
there at fifteen and they're like bottom of the two
loss teams, and yet one of their losses is at Oklahoma.
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They scheduled that game, did not buy out of that game,
and played it, and the committee is not honoring that
right now.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I see.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I think that they should view Michigan's resume more favorably
because of that non conference matchup against Oklahoma. So the
trap that the committee is setting themselves right now is
if they're just going to go by eye test and say, well,
who wins on a neutral site, you know, this weekend,
then they're not going to honor head to head, and
they're also going to devalue non conference blue blood opponents,
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which is bad for the sport moving forward.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Totally agree.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's a tough It's a tough position because again I
don't disagree with the ranking, but it also speaks to
kind of the brokenness of the nature of this thing.
I don't think that we should have a selection based playoff.
I think we should have an access based playoffs so
we can remove some of this ambiguity and the problems
that exist in trying to place and ranked teams in
this fashion. So I try not to be a hippock hert,
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and in my career as America's honesty broker, I have
bounced around the country for better jobs. Okay, So I'm
not going to be a hypocrite when somebody is highly
mobile in their career. So everybody's like, hey, Lane.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Kiffin is going to tarnish his reputation. His reputation has
always been you have a job, I'll travel. You can
fire me in a tarmac. I'll leave you on one.
I mean he tac yes. So my take is, Brian
Kelly never went to charm school. LSU was like, he's available,
let's go get him. College football has become more NFL.
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It's cutthroat, LSU was like, what do we care about
Old Miss? He's the best coach in the country. I
don't think it hurts Lane Kiffin. I feel bad for
oh Miss because I really do think I don't think
they're as good as Ohio State. I think they could
beat Oregon. I think they could beat Georgia. I think
they could beat Indiana maybe. So I'm more bothered than
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I selfishly. I want to see Old Miss in the
playoff with Kiffin because I think they can beat everybody
except Ohio State. That's my problem, not the somebody wants me.
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
So there's like, I think eight things that you just
said that I disagree with. I'm trying to I'm trying
to remember all of them. Let me try my best.
First of all, let me ask you a question. In
all of your movement, and you did you You've moved around,
You've worked at multiple networks and done different things, and
more power to you. That agency is great for you
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and your family, and I don't begrudge that. Yeah, at
any point, did you leave in the middle of a contract?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I left early, and uh yeah, I left six months early.
I also started negotiating with another company, two companies nine
months before I was allowed.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
To Okay, so you're just revealing your character to all
of America here, I would I would say, I would
say this about Lane. Lane has been given a lot
of cover, and I like Lane, and he's very good
for college football. He's great for college football, Yes, and
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Colin he is a very good coach. He's not one
of the best coaches in America though he has not
been to a playoff. He happens to be a big
fish right now in a small pond, and it's advantageous
for him because of that. There's big jobs open and
a really weak class of coaches or pool of coaches.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That are candidates.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Part of the reason why there is a weak pool
of candidates is because there are other coaches that are
unwilling to do what Lane is doing, which is leave
a team in the middle of a playoff run. That
cannot be overstated. You see, he's wanting to lament and
those that run cover for him, you know, want to
lament the calendar. And while they are correct, the calendar
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is clearly broken in college football. We do thirty minutes
on the calendar right here. I agree with that. Take
the problem is is that it's the same calend under
for Dan Lanning at Oregon. It's the same calendar for
Kurt Signetti at Indiana, and Mike Elko at Texas A
and m and Rhet Lashley at SMU. And yet they
with their agency, chose to stay where they're at okay
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and stay within their playoff run. And you could make
a strong argument that Rhet Lashley and Kurt Signetti could
be looking at their spots Indiana and SMU and think
to themselves, I'll tell you what, Grass is probably greener
at Florida or LSU. Meanwhile, Lane has turned Ole Miss
into a premier program in the SEC. I would make
the argument he doesn't have to leave. This is not
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college football of ten years ago, where you have to
be at one of three or four places in order
to compete for and win a national championship.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's fair, he doesn't have to leave.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And my last point would just be as a coach,
when you stand in front of your players, your currency
is your credibility, and your credibility with those players is
tied directly to your character. The only thing they care
about is how much you care about them. And if
he does this and he leaves, which it looks like
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he's going to It looks like he's going to LSU.
He will destroy his credibility in front of what team
that he stands in front of. Can he say like, hey,
commit to me and choose, you know, lay down yourself
and let's commit to something bigger than ourselves and let's
go achieve something great. In the back of their minds
are going to be like, well, what if something better
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pops up for you?
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Lane?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
What the Dallas Cowboys call? Are you going to leave
us in the middle of a playoff run? Because he's
the play caller at ole Miss. He decimates that program
and that offense and their opportunity to win at the
top level if he leaves. So that's all I would
say is listen. I like Lane, I think he's great
for the sport. But this excuse that the calendar is
forcing him into this decision is wrong. The calendar is
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the same for all the other coaches in the country
which have said that they will stay and committed to
the places that they've been in. He's doing a disservice
to the players he's coaching now currently, and I feel
bad for him. Miley disagreement there is you say, coaches
standing in front of players and ask for commitment. Now
in twenty twenty five, coaches standing in front of players
with envelopes full of cash and hand it to them
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because that's what the sport is. It has become more transactional.
I will give you that. And this is not an
easy scenario. I will give you that. But at the
end of the day, you know, he's the one that
has to stand and look in front of the mirror.
And if he does this, by the way, he will
be authoring one of what was now the five messiest
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exits in football coaching history, Al Davis with the overhead
projector Tennessee leaves in the middle of the night, they
riot their burning couches, throwing them outside of the balconies
tarmac at USC Remember Nick Saban didn't want to deal
with Lane waffling back and forth about the FA you job,
so he said, beat it before the National Championship game.
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Didn't even let them call plays in the National Championship Game.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So I don't like it. This has been a trend
for him. Yeah, no, no, it's listen. I've said I
wouldn't do all this stuff. I you know, I even
have friends at the old place.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't like sloppy exits. I don't like it, but
I think college football needs to create. I mean, you
can't go rob the chiefs of Andy Reid during the playoffs.
College football has needed a bizarre Oh yes, that's what.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And that's why I started with that. Like, I agree,
the calendar has broken. We need to fix that. There's
no doubt. I just don't want that to run cover
for what I feel like is a poor decision. Okay,
so let me defend Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
First. If he beats UCLA and wins a bowl game,
they go eleven and three, losing. Two of their three
losses are at Notre Dame of at Oregon. I'm sorry,
but that's not a bad season. When they return almost
all of their top players. I mean, they really have
a good recruiting class. They're all line, their d line
come back. If they beat UCLA should and if they
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win a bowl game over a whoever, Utah, something like that.
The downside is, I think I can also say this
four years in, when they play the best teams, the
special teams are often a disaster and the defense is
mid and I'm being kind with mid What are they?
And I just think four years in, Yeah, the offense
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was clever with Lincoln the first day was there. That's
never changed. But the defense and special teams in big
games fields below average.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
What are they?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Is that a fair criticism? I think it's totally fair.
I think that they're better than what they were last year.
Certainly they've gone from losing those close games to winning
a lot of those close games. But at the top end,
they're not competing like you would hope they would compete
when they face a team like Notre Dame or Oregon,
you know, and I think they would lamit not closing
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out that Illinois game, which they had the lead late
in that Illinois game on the road and they couldn't
stop They couldn't stop the run in that game. They've
got to get better, more physical, and more stout in
the middle of their defense. The defensive line is young
and will be better next year. They're very good. I
think in the coming years. On the defensive line, they've
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got to get better at linebacker and more stout. Yeah,
they're actually that is an area of weakness that it
has to turn around. Now with this number one recruiting
class that they've got. I do still believe that that's
an upward trajectory. They couldn't get to eleven wins. I
don't believe they can get to nine. Potentially in the
regular season, they could go nine to three and then
maybe a tenth to win into the bowl game.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, my bad, I said eleven. It's ten.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I mean, but ten wins to your point, like, that's
a huge mark of demarcation in college football. That still
means something and certainly would mean progress at USC in
particular with the class that they've got coming in next year.
So I still believe that they're on an upward trajectory,
but there are clear areas where if they don't fix
then this will continue to happen. If they don't if
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they don't fix the interior of their defense, in particular
at linebacker, this will continue to happen because those teams
that they're playing, the Michigan's, the Ohio I know they
beat Michigan, but Ohio state of the world, the Oregons
of the world. Those teams are elite and will be
elite every single year.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, all right, good stuff. We always just listen. I
know you can't make predictions. I think uh Ohio State
thirty to thirteen. And I think if as long as
one of them can play, one of their great receivers
can play, I think this defense. I love Underwood, I
love marsh and I you know, I was a big
hardball guy. But boy this I'm telling you right now
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that Julian sand doesn't make mistakes, doesn't and that defense
is that is a top five college defense. You can
go back to Steve Batman and Washington. Nick Saban had
a defense in twenty eleven. They were great in twenty eleven. Yeah, Georgia,
and twenty one was exceptional. You know, this is an
all time defense.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I can't wait and I can't wait either. And by
the way, it's supposed to be just like prototypical weather,
thirty with snow flurries.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hey. By the way, I just want to make it clear,
just because I left the other place early, I've changed.
I am now only committed to Fox, iHeart and Joel Klatt.
Oh that was the old.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
No, I disagree. I see you out there. You got
other college football guys that you've got on whatever you're
doing everywhere else, And I'm like, Okay, I feel you know,
I feel a little cheated on Colin. I'll be honest,
but that's all right, that's all right. I know I disagree.
I can be disagreeable at times.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's my favorite part of you actually have a great
have a great time. I can't wait to watch.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving to you, your whole staff, everybody listening.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I hope you guys have a great weekend. I mean
it is. I mean, I get, I get Michigan, Ohio
State in ann Arbor. It's just I mean, you know, rivalries,
there's not that. I mean, the NFL is not a
rivalry sport. I mean Kansas City Buffalo feels like something.
But that's kind of quarterback led I mean ten years ago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,
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I don't care. I mean Baseball Giants Dodgers, nobody cares.
Dodgers are global. Dodgers. Yankees feels big. Michigan Ohio State
that is. That is goosebump stuff. That is. I'm gonna
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turn the the air conditioning up at my house and
put a jacket on so I feel like I'm there.
I'm gonna turn the temperature down to my house like
forty one degrees. I don't care if the dogs are
upset and I'm gonna wear I'm gonna wear a hoodie
and just to feel like I'm there.
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Speaker 1 (24:25):
Good stuff Today, Kids table to the big adult table.
We're gonna go at the end of the hour. Take
all these young quarterbacks. Some are still at the kids table.
At some point all of us in life graduate to
the adults table. Where is Jackson Dark cam War? Where
is chdor Standers. We'll have that in about fifteen minutes. First,
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Jmac with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
No turn on the news. This is the headline news.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
I would assume JJ McCarthy's probably eating with the dog outside, right,
something like that. Anyways, all right, let's get started with
the Chiefs. They're playing on Thanksgiving. I did not know
this is the first time in Patrick Mahomes's career he
will be playing on Thanksgiving. Casey visits Dallas. I got
some fun stuff on this game later on Colin in headlines.
I think he'll be surprised. Mahomes is from Texas. He's
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gonna have a lot of friends and family at Jerry
will probably looking to put.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
On a show.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Reportedly fifty people wow in the Mahomes orbit will be
at the game. Here he is talking about the excited
Thanksgiving game.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
He grew up watching Thanksgiving games, no matter who you're
a fan of, if it's the Lions of Cowboys or
whoever's playing at night, I mean, he grew up watching
those games, and so I think as that kid in
me wants to be able to go out there and
play on Thanksgiving and find a way to win. And
obviously short week where we're growing in here right now
and getting the whole game plan in and making sure
everybody's prepared or ready to go. But I think we're
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excited to get to go out there and play on
Thanksgiving against a really good football team and the whole
world watch him.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I think it's a good game. I think you
have one really really good defense, one emerging defense, one
excellent offense, and one offense that's pretty good at home,
not as good in the road. I think it comes out.
I think it's a very very good football game. It's
hard for me to take Kansas City. I think they're
the better team, but it is hard for me to
take them with the hook Dallas home getting the hook.
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I probably take the Cowboys again. I regretted not taking
them against Philly because you talked me into it and
I was gonna do it, and it was the last
game I dropped and I made a mistake.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Yeah, I don't think the Chiefs have won on the
road since like the Tyreek Hill era. They're really struggling
on the road. Now, how about this, Colin, I give
you a little teaser here. So I just looked at
the chief schedule of the season. They have struggled on
the road. Can you believe This is their first indoor
game of the football season, first.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Indoor game on the fast track.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
We get finally Worthy Rice could be so the over
it got smashed earlier this week. I don't know where
it is now, but I got fifty two. This could
be one of these, like, holy hell, it's forty thirty
seven kind of games because we haven't seen Worthy do
anything recently. But then you look at like, oh, it's
all outdoor games. He doesn't have that super edge. So
(27:11):
I'm very excited for this game. Next up, Colin, listen
to Lane kiffin saga. We followed this very close to yesterday.
Urban Meyer stopped by and gave his opinion on what
Lane Kiffin should do.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
This is on Chartered Waters though. To leave a team
that could potentially and you tell me other than Ohio
State maybe, and you have a and m Ohio State Indiana,
I'm telling you all misses right there. How do you
walk in that meeting and say, hey, guys, I'm not
only leaving, I'm going to be playing you next year.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Could take So when Signetti left JMU for Indiana, he
brought all his guys with him. Yeah, all I keep
hearing about LSU. You recruit, you get the best guys.
Would Lane even bring his guys from Ole miss or
would he just go get five star guys.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I think he'd bring ed Orgeron on as the he
would is the defensive line coach or defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So I'll give my take.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
If they win this game the Egg Bowl, I think
he says if they lose, it makes it much easier
to leave because they're not a lock for the playoff.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Colin, if they lose this game and that game is
a five six point spray, I saw seven.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Okay, maybe it's going down.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
But listen, you can't just walk into Stark Vegas and
expect to get a dub on Black Friday. This is
a tough one for Lane. I mean, listen, you've you've
jumped around. You keep talking about the old players. I mean,
I coached the mindset in the shows before you had
a big decision to make. Because I don't know he's
Lane locked in this for me.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
For me, it's always is it good for the family,
Is it good for the trajectory of the career. If
it's two texts, then it's gone. It is good for
the career, good for the family, No for you know,
jusually family first, I say, and are you willing? Okay?
Is it good for the career? Boom? I mean to me,
that's and this is a better job comes down to
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the family. I mean that's I'm not saying I know
I'm doing it right or wrong. I'm just saying nobody
cares about I'll be a legend at Old Miss. That's
not what people care about that. I don't buy that.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
So final question on this like, are you, I know
you root for chaos? That's your phrase, right interest? What
are you rooting for here? What's the most interesting because
I think we disagree.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I want Old Miss to get to the national championship
against Ohio State with Lane Kiffin or without Yeah, with.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Lane camera, I'm rooting from the state. Also kind of
a middle finger to LSU you guys, you get your
act together. No, thank you, I want no part of that.
Final story, Colin, Let's go back to Lamar Jackson. And
you know, listen, the running numbers for this guy are staggering.
It's almost like is he old? And then you look
at his agent like he's not even close to thirty. Colin,
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These numbers are really bad this season. In eight starts,
he's averaging twenty nine rushing yards per game, and he's
getting sacked more. So is it less about he doesn't
want to run and get hurt or is he just
not as fleet afoot as he used to be? Look
on the screen there, he was rarely getting sacked. He's
not as elusive as he was before.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
He is hurt, and players don't like to advertise they
are hurt. Rock Purty is not one hundred percent those
interceptions on Monday. Those those balls had no velocity at all.
Brock's not gonna go Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent.
He's not that kind of kid either, as Lamar. They're
both obviously Brock and Lamar are not at one hundred percent.
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And I'm a bigger Lamar fan than a Brock fan.
But go watch the Brock pretty interceptions on YouTube. All
of them are behind the receiver and hang in the air.
He didn't have a Josh Allen arm, but Brock's got
a better arm than that. Brock's hurt.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
So do you believe on Monday the take will be
man Ravens. They could not beat the Bengals. They couldn't
get separation. They're out of the Super Bowl bubble or
holy cow, the Ravens woke up. Lamar was just sandbagging everybody,
and the Ravens kind of put it on the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I don't think they put it on them. I think
it's a division game and I'll take, you know, twenty
six twenty or twenty eight twenty four. I would take
the I would take the dog. But I think it's
a very competitive divisional game and I can't wait to
watch Burro plays. Jmckle the news, Well, that's.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The news, and thanks for stopping that. It's the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
There's all these young quarterbacks. There's Jackson Dart, There's Caleb Williams.
There's Bo Nicks, There's JJ McCarthy, there is Drake May,
there is Bryce Young, there is cam Ward, there's Schedure Sanders.
We all grow up eating the kids table. Are they
ready on Thanksgiving to go to the adult table? We'll
(31:42):
talk about that coming up. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
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Speaker 6 (31:53):
Thanksgiving Day, Fox is serving up a classic NSC North
rivalry as Jordan Love and the Packers take on Jared
Goff and the Lions. Coverage begins at eleven am Eastern
with the pregame show live on location from Detroit Thanksgiving
Day on Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
NFL has always been to me the sport of hope.
It takes a long time to go from a terrible
baseball team to a World Series team. But in the
NFL you can be the New England Patriots like a
Hazmatt spill. You get Drake May, you get Mike Rabel,
Josh mcdowne, mccownt and Josh McDaniel. Excuse me, all of
(32:31):
a sudden, you're the number one seed. It's the sport
of hope. You get the head coach, the coordinator, and
the quarterback right and you are suddenly a Super Bowl contender.
But it's all centered. College football is about the coach.
Pro football is about the quarterback, and we've got a
lot of young quarterbacks. Thanksgivings tomorrow. They all start Week
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one in the NFL as rookies at the kids table
till they graduate to the Staff Efford table, or they
graduate to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes, Josh
Allen table. So Jmack, let's determine kids table or adult
table for these young signal callers. All right, Colin, you
ready for this? Here we go.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Will it be the kids table or the big quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
For Drake Nate, he has already pivoted to the big
quarterback table. Listen, He's better than even people who liked
him thought. Leads the NFL in completion percentage at a
remarkable seventy one percent, best record in the NFL, already
has well over three thousand yards right now, he feels
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like a top six to seven quarterback today in the league. Durable, big,
accurate winning. So we're crowning him.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Okay, I like it? All right?
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Kids table or big quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
For Jackson Darton, He's still at the kids table, jmack.
In eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times.
He's already you know. He leads quarterbacks in Russia attempts,
which I am a fan of young quarterbacks using their
athletic ability and feet to move the chains as they grow.
(34:14):
But right now, from the pocket, still have my doubts.
He's a risk taker. He moves well, a lot of confidence.
Probably one more Thanksgiving from moving, you know, to a
glass of wine.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
All right, well, this one's going to divide the audience.
Kids table or Big Quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
He's at the Big Boy come four and zero in November.
One of three quarterbacks with thirty touchdown passes and ten
or fewer interceptions over the last two years. You want
to hear the other ones, Stafford Lamar and your guy
Jalen Hurtz. Caleb Williams is comfortably sitting next to grandpa.
(34:54):
Oh my god, that is troubling.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Kids table or Big Quarterback table for BONICKX your other
best friend.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Come on, adult table.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Not even enough?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I mean nine total touchdowns in the fourth quarter, ranked
second in the league. Leads the NFL with eight game
winning drive last two seasons, top ten and wins, passing yards,
touchdown passes. I mean, come on, he is okay, he's
getting the leg.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
You're the teaser. You're the teaser. I wish I had
in like eleventh grade biology. Kids table or Big Quarterback
table for Bryce.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Young two inconsistent. I'm sorry you watched it Monday. He's
shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry. He's a great kid,
but you very early on. You were like, you were like,
he didn't look the part. Ninety or worst passer rating
in nine of his eleven starts, and I like his
coach and rico' daddell. He's got a couple of young
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but very talented wide receivers. Their defense is better, but
he is twelve and twenty seven since he entered the league.
Kid's table not great.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
We should probably skip this one, but we'll do it anyway.
Kid's table or big quarterback table for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Well, in the second and third quarters this year, he
has a twenty seven passer rating, So I don't even
want to be mean kids table. In fact, the other kids,
the other kids let him go first and pick Oh
he's struggling. Hey, I feel bad for the kid. He's struggling.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
It's early.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
He'll he'll turn it around.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Kid's table or big quarterback table for cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I'm gonna put him at the big boy tables. I
think he's really talented. I think he's not getting any help.
He's the most sacked quarterback they fired. Their coach. Reminds
me a lot of a less talented Chicago Bear mess.
Last year. The Bears had more players I think I
think cam Ward's good. Like last weekend, it's finally coming around.
But last year Caleb, everybody said he was terrible. Twenty touchdown,
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six picks. This is a multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks. Ran.
He's growing on me. I'm not saying he gets the
stuffing last. He's not getting the mashed potatoes first at
the adult table. But I'm gonna put him there. I
think he's I see, I see some potential stardom. Yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Finally kids table or big quarterback table for Shedeur Sanders, Neither.
We're putting him at a new table.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
The legendary tale every quarterback? Is it a height cher
news legendary? Hey led the NFL last week yards per attempt?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Last week? You know what?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I took some uh some of the motif on his
draft room legendary. I just moved it over to Thanksgiving.
Did you just use motif on a sports show?
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Oh my gosh, coward in his bag here? Listen to Chadur.
The Chadeur for five online is coming after you for this.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Boy. Damn, I will say this.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
He did you know my rule on quarterbacks? If your
college problem is your NFL problem you're in trouble. Johnny
Manzel ran around too much. You watch them in the pros,
You're like, yeah, yeah, that that stuff is not gonna work. Uh.
If Caleb Williams struggled with accuracy struggles in the NFL,
it's my only criticism of him. Gotta be a little
(38:21):
bit more accurate. Yeah, does the Legendary table eat before
the kids table?
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
You know it's it's somewhere in between. Okay, all right,
all right, you could they do serve wine at the
legendary table? Oh really win not at the kids table? Okay,
all right, But here's what I'd say about Shadoor Sanders.
The opposite is also true. When I watched him last week,
I saw Colorado Shaduer and I thought Colorado Shoulder was
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a mid first mid second round pick. He moves better
than anybody gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a
pocket quarterback. He has a couple spin moves. He moves.
He's not as quick to me as like a bow knicks.
He's not quite that twitchy. But he's a good athlete.
He has a average to average plus arm. By the way,
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on the deep throws accurate and it does help. I
will say this. I know in Cleveland everybody's banging on Stefanski,
but one of the things, j Max, that you and
I can't argue about. It has been a clear advantage
to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie, Yeh
bow Knicks, Caleb Williams, Okay Raheem Morris, that's who Mike
(39:31):
Pennix gets right now, you.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Can Yeah, how come Penix?
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Is it? He's not even invited to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
He's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what to do
with that.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So I need to ask you.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
So Bryce Young, who's in you know, multiple years in
the league, couldn't do anything against the Robert sala defense.
If Shaduur goes out and has a passable game against
Salah and the Niners, then there's she's really gonna freak out.
People are gonna be like, this is your starter next year.
So just be ready for that because Sunday, the slate
is not great. All the good teams are fired on
Thanksgiving Day. So Shaduur could have a game against Salah
(40:01):
at home. It's inclement weathers, so maybe that's uh, maybe
that'll throw a wrinkle in.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That but yeah, I think I think. I feel like
some of the Chaduur stuff is a little bit like Tibau.
People are talking about conspiracy theories. He's got a very
fanatical you know following. It's very tribal. The difference is,
I think Chadur throws an NFL ball. I think I
think Tibo was always a little bit in terms of
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athletic ability, a little overstated. I think Shador's athletic ability
is understated. And the aird thing about Shadur that I like,
I think he's too goofy and playful for me. I
wish he was a little more serious.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
He's what is he twenty three years old?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Oh but we've always said it's not fair, but I
do need my cornerbacks to be grown ups. I don't
need I don't care about any interposition. There are certain
things in life. If you're working in the ICU in
a hospital and you're twenty four, you can't be at
Senior Froggy's the night before knocking down twelve tequilas. I
need you to be a grown up. There are Pilot,
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you can't be out at the bar night before if
you're twenty five year old. Pilot pilot surgeons quarterbacks. I'm sorry,
it's unfair. You have to be more mature. That's part
of it, right, Surgeon pilot, quarterback, you have to be
a different twenty four.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
The two occupations that literally save lives, and then a
quarterback who throws a pig skin.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah yeah, okay, god, it makes sense. Another one of
my analogies that nailed it all right. Our number three
coming up, Bunna Winds
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go on a Wednesday Thanksgiving Eve. Joel Clatt
five minutes lazing five is sixty percent on the nose
this year. If we could maintain that, be very very happy,
very very happy. There's a lot to talk about with
Joel Klatt. He doesn't like the Lane Kiffin manipulation of
(00:53):
Old Miss And my take is always reputations in college
football are based on one thing. Are you available? Are
you a good coach? Two things? Are you available, can
you coach? You'll get a job. It was Brian Kelly
Ever in Charms School he got the LSU gig. I
mean it felt so weird, you got it LSU Florida. Yeah,
(01:16):
we'll take that old Miss guy repute. I mean, not
like Lane Kevin at the best reputation and before LSU
was interested, Lancoln coach, he's really good. It's an offensive sport. Now,
all right, here we go sixteen percent in the year,
blazing five on a Wednesday. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Let's blaze it up up. It's Collins Blazon fuck Packers
and Lions.
Speaker 1 (01:39):
Listen. Two good teams. I'm gonna take the home team
on Thanksgiving. Historically, home teams do well. Lions minus two
and a half is my side. They've won six other
left eight against green Bay. They match up well, and
since Dan Campbell took over play calling, Detroit leads the
NFL in the last three weeks in yards per play.
(02:00):
It's a different offense with Dan. Their defense generally pretty
good at home. The Packers. Their three road wins have
come against Arizona, Pittsburgh and the Giants. Let's slow down,
but here's more troubling Jordan Love. Since Tucker Craft got
hurt fewer than two hundred passing yards, the team's averaging
(02:22):
nineteen points. Two good teams. I'll take Detroit to win
and cover twenty eight to twenty four.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Forty nine ers in Browns.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I love this line. I'll take Cleveland plus six and
a half. First of all, the Browns at home, excellent
defense and probably the most underrated roster in the league.
Miles Garrett has thirteen sacks the last month. No other
player has more than thirteen the entire season. Good luck
Niners brought pretty multiple interceptions in four of his last
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five starts, and it's gonna be windy and snowy conditions.
He has strung with ball security in crappy weather. I
also think this team is overly reliant on Christian McCaffrey.
How much gas does Christian have in the tank? I
think we saw enough from Shadur. I'm gonna take a
(03:15):
close game either way. Let's say the Niners win late,
but I like the points twenty four to twenty. San
Francisco take six and a half. Saint said Dolphins. I
actually really like the Dolphins here. They're coming off of bye.
They've won three out of the last four games. Credit
Mike McDaniel. They're playing hard. They're running the ball two
of back to back games over seventy percent completion percentage.
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Miami got rid of their GM. They didn't lose their fight,
they didn't lose their passion. The defense back to back
games has played well. I like Miami a lot in
this spot. New Orleans probably the worst offense in the league,
held under twenty points in six straight games. Again, smart
offensive coach at home off of by again the tire fire.
(04:01):
I'm going to take the Dolphins to win and the
Miami Dolphins playing pretty darn well to cover. Thirty three
to twenty three Cardinals, said Buccaneers. The buck stops here.
Tampa gets Bucky Irving and Chris Godwin back officially for
multiple snaps. I like Tampa to win and cover. Listen,
they're not playing well with the average twenty seven a
(04:21):
game at home, and you know the losses were to Patriots, Bills, Rams,
those are good teams. Bucky Irving's back, Chris Godwin played
limited snaps last week. He's ready to go. And the
Cardinals one in eight since Week three. Arizona's got some
quit in them. We're scoring defense over the last three weeks.
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Not a lot here to like. Buccaneers. Easier opponent at home,
win and cover the spread. I like Tampa twenty seven
to twenty Vikings at Seahawks the Lions. The line now
is not the best of the line nine and a half,
ten and a half. I'll take Seattle. They've out gained
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ten straight opponents they played like garbage in the second half. Defensively,
they still win last week against Tennessee fewest sacks allowed
on offense, so Brian Flores can blitz all he wants.
They're a really high end offensive team with a force
most sacks in the league. They're at home of kind
of a cruddy defensive performance. The Vikings offense most turnovers
(05:29):
in the NFL. They're starting an undrafted rookie. They've been
held under twenty points in four of their last five games.
There's nothing about Minnesota, outside of their coaches that I
really like. Right now, Seattle is going to win. It's
in the Pacific Northwest thirty to thirteen. Actually, and I
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don't I shouldn't say this because twice this year I
didn't love the numbers and went four and one. I
liked my picks Lions, Dolphins, Seattle and Tampa as favorites.
I'm gonna take Cleveland plus the points. J Max Grimacing
will find his picks in about two hours. His picks
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in two hours. Joel Klatt will be calling Ohio State
and Michigan Saturday at noon Eastern on Fox. So last year,
even though I really admire Ryan Day and like him
a lot. I think he's a great football coach. I
did think he outthought the room. I think he'd been
pushed around by Michigan, and in the Midwest there's a
(06:35):
different kind of stylistic approach, and he's like, we're gonna
punch Michigan in the mouth. And it's like, just throw
the ball. You got great players, just just play your game.
And I think he played Michigan's game, you know, fooled around,
played with his food a little bit, and it caught him.
They got a little tight late. I think if at
least Carnell Tate can play, I think Ohio State is
(06:59):
the signific better team here. Do you believe that?
Speaker 3 (07:03):
Well, I mean, yes, they're they're the better team, and
that's why the spread is where it was. But they were,
I would think, better by a wider margin a year ago.
I mean, they were twenty point favorites a year ago.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
You know.
Speaker 3 (07:17):
So to your point, they got sucked into a game
that was Michigan's game. I firmly believe. I think Will
Howard got banged up early in that game last year.
I firmly believe that that Ryan and his coaching staff
felt like a field goal would win the game because
they didn't feel like Michigan with their quarterback play, was
going to be able to score on their defense.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
And so here's Ohio State. They get into the red
zone five times last year and come away with ten
total points. That was the game.
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Two missfield goals, interception in the red zone. So those
mistakes are what ultimately cost them the game, and they
could have played the exact same style.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Now.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
I think what they learned from that was what they
then put into action for the playoff. And Colin, you
and I both know that that Buckeye team in the
playoff was a different team and they were aggressive down
the field. You look at what they did early in
that game against Tennessee at home in the first round.
They took shots to Jeremiah Smith. They used Smith early
and often against Oregon where they were routing them in
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the first half of that Rose Bowl. And those are
the lessons that I think need to come into play
this week for Ohio State. Be themselves, attack, attack, down
the field. And obviously the health of those wide receivers
is a bit in question. I remain optimistic that they'll
both be on the field. I think their effectiveness is
more the question than their availability. I think Smith will
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be on the field. I think Tate will be on
the field. But are they one hundred percent Can they
attack those safeties of Michigan down the field and cause
them some level of threat. I think that's really where
the game is won and loss for Ohio State. So listen,
I think Notre Dame is better than Miami now, and
I think college football is about thirty to thirty five
(08:52):
percent NFL now. September just doesn't matter like it used to.
I said this before the Ohio State Texas game. If
it's close, I don't care who I said it about
Oregon Ohio State the year before. If it's close, it
doesn't matter. They've scheduled it. I'm proud of both schools
for scheduling it. You step up to the table.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
I love that. My biggest knock on college football has
always been a lack of people willing to play. You know,
go to Columbus out of conference, yeah, or go to
normand Oklahoma. So like my feeling is Notre Dame is
better than Mission Miami today, and ugly losses are really
that's one thing that usually the people on these tables
(09:31):
and these boards get right. You can't lose to unranked
teams if you're a top five to ten team. So
I'm okay with a much improved team by an inch
better than Miami. Miami stills to be pitt But I
know you are probably bothered deeply about the current rankings
that has Notre Dame over.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I'm not bothered. I think listen, I think that two
things can be true a once. You know, if the
committee's objective is just to give us the best teams,
and they ask themselves in the room, who wins on
a neutral site this week, yeah, I'd pick Notre Dame,
you know. So, like in that respect, do I disagree
with the ranking? No, But the committee is setting themselves
(10:13):
up for a bit of a trap, and that trap
is the head to head match up against Miami. Because
if we're not honoring games on the field, then what
are we doing?
Speaker 4 (10:21):
You know?
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Then why are we playing them? Then let's just sit
there and have a beauty pageant and and look at
the recruiting rankings and you know, look at the rosters
and the way that they're constructed and how many stars
each year.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
You know.
Speaker 3 (10:32):
So I don't want to get into a beauty pageant either.
There's also another trap that this committee is falling into,
and it's not honoring those non conference games that you
just talked about.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Now.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I do want to clarify just something really quickly, because
the Miami Notre Dame game is part of the ACC
scheduling agreement that Notre Dame has, so that's a little
bit out of their control. What I would say is
more impressive is that they also scheduled Texas A and
m Well, you've got this team in Michigan that's sitting
there at fifteen and they're like bottom of the two
loss teams, and yet one of their losses is at Oklahoma.
(11:05):
They scheduled that game, did not buy out of that game,
and played it, and the committee is not honoring that
right now.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
I see.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I think that they should view Michigan's resume more favorably
because of that non conference matchup against Oklahoma. So the
trap that the committee is setting themselves right now is
if they're just going to go by eye test and say, well,
who wins on a neutral site, you know, this weekend,
then they're not going to honor head to head, and
they're also going to devalue non conference blue blood opponents,
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which is bad for the sport moving forward.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Totally agree.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's a tough It's a tough position because again I
don't disagree with the ranking, but it also speaks to
kind of the brokenness of the nature of this thing.
I don't think that we should have a selection based playoff.
I think we should have an access based playoffs so
we can remove some of this ambiguity and the problems
that exist in trying to place and ranked teams in
this fashion. So I try not to be a hippock hert,
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and in my career as America's honesty broker, I have
bounced around the country for better jobs. Okay, So I'm
not going to be a hypocrite when somebody is highly
mobile in their career. So everybody's like, hey, Lane.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Kiffin is going to tarnish his reputation. His reputation has
always been you have a job, I'll travel. You can
fire me in a tarmac. I'll leave you on one.
I mean he tac yes. So my take is, Brian
Kelly never went to charm school. LSU was like, he's available,
let's go get him. College football has become more NFL.
(12:35):
It's cutthroat, LSU was like, what do we care about
Old Miss? He's the best coach in the country. I
don't think it hurts Lane Kiffin. I feel bad for
oh Miss because I really do think I don't think
they're as good as Ohio State. I think they could
beat Oregon. I think they could beat Georgia. I think
they could beat Indiana maybe. So I'm more bothered than
(12:58):
I selfishly. I want to see Old Miss in the
playoff with Kiffin because I think they can beat everybody
except Ohio State. That's my problem, not the somebody wants me.
I'm gonna go.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
So there's like, I think eight things that you just
said that I disagree with. I'm trying to I'm trying
to remember all of them. Let me try my best.
First of all, let me ask you a question. In
all of your movement, and you did you You've moved around,
You've worked at multiple networks and done different things, and
more power to you. That agency is great for you
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and your family, and I don't begrudge that. Yeah, at
any point, did you leave in the middle of a contract?
Speaker 1 (13:38):
I left early, and uh yeah, I left six months early.
I also started negotiating with another company, two companies nine
months before I was allowed.
Speaker 3 (13:47):
To Okay, so you're just revealing your character to all
of America here, I would I would say, I would
say this about Lane. Lane has been given a lot
of cover, and I like Lane, and he's very good
for college football. He's great for college football, Yes, and
(14:10):
Colin he is a very good coach. He's not one
of the best coaches in America though he has not
been to a playoff. He happens to be a big
fish right now in a small pond, and it's advantageous
for him because of that. There's big jobs open and
a really weak class of coaches or pool of coaches.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
That are candidates.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Part of the reason why there is a weak pool
of candidates is because there are other coaches that are
unwilling to do what Lane is doing, which is leave
a team in the middle of a playoff run. That
cannot be overstated. You see, he's wanting to lament and
those that run cover for him, you know, want to
lament the calendar. And while they are correct, the calendar
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is clearly broken in college football. We do thirty minutes
on the calendar right here. I agree with that. Take
the problem is is that it's the same calend under
for Dan Lanning at Oregon. It's the same calendar for
Kurt Signetti at Indiana, and Mike Elko at Texas A
and m and Rhet Lashley at SMU. And yet they
with their agency, chose to stay where they're at okay
(15:13):
and stay within their playoff run. And you could make
a strong argument that Rhet Lashley and Kurt Signetti could
be looking at their spots Indiana and SMU and think
to themselves, I'll tell you what, Grass is probably greener
at Florida or LSU. Meanwhile, Lane has turned Ole Miss
into a premier program in the SEC. I would make
the argument he doesn't have to leave. This is not
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college football of ten years ago, where you have to
be at one of three or four places in order
to compete for and win a national championship.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
That's fair, he doesn't have to leave.
Speaker 3 (15:44):
And my last point would just be as a coach,
when you stand in front of your players, your currency
is your credibility, and your credibility with those players is
tied directly to your character. The only thing they care
about is how much you care about them. And if
he does this and he leaves, which it looks like
(16:04):
he's going to It looks like he's going to LSU.
He will destroy his credibility in front of what team
that he stands in front of. Can he say like, hey,
commit to me and choose, you know, lay down yourself
and let's commit to something bigger than ourselves and let's
go achieve something great. In the back of their minds
are going to be like, well, what if something better
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pops up for you?
Speaker 5 (16:25):
Lane?
Speaker 3 (16:26):
What the Dallas Cowboys call? Are you going to leave
us in the middle of a playoff run? Because he's
the play caller at ole Miss. He decimates that program
and that offense and their opportunity to win at the
top level if he leaves. So that's all I would
say is listen. I like Lane, I think he's great
for the sport. But this excuse that the calendar is
forcing him into this decision is wrong. The calendar is
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the same for all the other coaches in the country
which have said that they will stay and committed to
the places that they've been in. He's doing a disservice
to the players he's coaching now currently, and I feel
bad for him. Miley disagreement there is you say, coaches
standing in front of players and ask for commitment. Now
in twenty twenty five, coaches standing in front of players
with envelopes full of cash and hand it to them
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because that's what the sport is. It has become more transactional.
I will give you that. And this is not an
easy scenario. I will give you that. But at the
end of the day, you know, he's the one that
has to stand and look in front of the mirror.
And if he does this, by the way, he will
be authoring one of what was now the five messiest
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exits in football coaching history, Al Davis with the overhead
projector Tennessee leaves in the middle of the night, they
riot their burning couches, throwing them outside of the balconies
tarmac at USC Remember Nick Saban didn't want to deal
with Lane waffling back and forth about the FA you job,
so he said, beat it before the National Championship game.
(17:50):
Didn't even let them call plays in the National Championship Game.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
So I don't like it. This has been a trend
for him. Yeah, no, no, it's listen. I've said I
wouldn't do all this stuff. I you know, I even
have friends at the old place.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
I don't like sloppy exits. I don't like it, but
I think college football needs to create. I mean, you
can't go rob the chiefs of Andy Reid during the playoffs.
College football has needed a bizarre Oh yes, that's what.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
And that's why I started with that. Like, I agree,
the calendar has broken. We need to fix that. There's
no doubt. I just don't want that to run cover
for what I feel like is a poor decision. Okay,
so let me defend Lincoln Riley.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
First. If he beats UCLA and wins a bowl game,
they go eleven and three, losing. Two of their three
losses are at Notre Dame of at Oregon. I'm sorry,
but that's not a bad season. When they return almost
all of their top players. I mean, they really have
a good recruiting class. They're all line, their d line
come back. If they beat UCLA should and if they
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win a bowl game over a whoever, Utah, something like that.
The downside is, I think I can also say this
four years in, when they play the best teams, the
special teams are often a disaster and the defense is
mid and I'm being kind with mid What are they?
And I just think four years in, Yeah, the offense
(19:18):
was clever with Lincoln the first day was there. That's
never changed. But the defense and special teams in big
games fields below average.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
What are they?
Speaker 3 (19:27):
Is that a fair criticism? I think it's totally fair.
I think that they're better than what they were last year.
Certainly they've gone from losing those close games to winning
a lot of those close games. But at the top end,
they're not competing like you would hope they would compete
when they face a team like Notre Dame or Oregon,
you know, and I think they would lamit not closing
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out that Illinois game, which they had the lead late
in that Illinois game on the road and they couldn't
stop They couldn't stop the run in that game. They've
got to get better, more physical, and more stout in
the middle of their defense. The defensive line is young
and will be better next year. They're very good. I
think in the coming years. On the defensive line, they've
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got to get better at linebacker and more stout. Yeah,
they're actually that is an area of weakness that it
has to turn around. Now with this number one recruiting
class that they've got. I do still believe that that's
an upward trajectory. They couldn't get to eleven wins. I
don't believe they can get to nine. Potentially in the
regular season, they could go nine to three and then
maybe a tenth to win into the bowl game.
Speaker 1 (20:29):
Yeah, my bad, I said eleven. It's ten.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
I mean, but ten wins to your point, like, that's
a huge mark of demarcation in college football. That still
means something and certainly would mean progress at USC in
particular with the class that they've got coming in next year.
So I still believe that they're on an upward trajectory,
but there are clear areas where if they don't fix
then this will continue to happen. If they don't if
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they don't fix the interior of their defense, in particular
at linebacker, this will continue to happen because those teams
that they're playing, the Michigan's, the Ohio I know they
beat Michigan, but Ohio state of the world, the Oregons
of the world. Those teams are elite and will be
elite every single year.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Yeah, all right, good stuff. We always just listen. I
know you can't make predictions. I think uh Ohio State
thirty to thirteen. And I think if as long as
one of them can play, one of their great receivers
can play, I think this defense. I love Underwood, I
love marsh and I you know, I was a big
hardball guy. But boy this I'm telling you right now
(21:31):
that Julian sand doesn't make mistakes, doesn't and that defense
is that is a top five college defense. You can
go back to Steve Batman and Washington. Nick Saban had
a defense in twenty eleven. They were great in twenty eleven. Yeah, Georgia,
and twenty one was exceptional. You know, this is an
all time defense.
Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yep.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
I can't wait and I can't wait either. And by
the way, it's supposed to be just like prototypical weather,
thirty with snow flurries.
Speaker 2 (22:01):
Let's go.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Hey. By the way, I just want to make it clear,
just because I left the other place early, I've changed.
I am now only committed to Fox, iHeart and Joel Klatt.
Oh that was the old.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
No.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
No, I disagree. I see you out there. You got
other college football guys that you've got on whatever you're
doing everywhere else, And I'm like, Okay, I feel you know,
I feel a little cheated on Colin. I'll be honest,
but that's all right, that's all right. I know I disagree.
I can be disagreeable at times.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
It's my favorite part of you actually have a great
have a great time. I can't wait to watch.
Speaker 3 (22:39):
Yeah, Happy Thanksgiving to you, your whole staff, everybody listening.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
I hope you guys have a great weekend. I mean
it is. I mean, I get, I get Michigan, Ohio
State in ann Arbor. It's just I mean, you know, rivalries,
there's not that. I mean, the NFL is not a
rivalry sport. I mean Kansas City Buffalo feels like something.
But that's kind of quarterback led I mean ten years ago, Baltimore, Pittsburgh,
(23:03):
I don't care. I mean Baseball Giants Dodgers, nobody cares.
Dodgers are global. Dodgers. Yankees feels big. Michigan Ohio State
that is. That is goosebump stuff. That is. I'm gonna
(23:23):
turn the the air conditioning up at my house and
put a jacket on so I feel like I'm there.
I'm gonna turn the temperature down to my house like
forty one degrees. I don't care if the dogs are
upset and I'm gonna wear I'm gonna wear a hoodie
and just to feel like I'm there.
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Speaker 1 (24:25):
Good stuff Today, Kids table to the big adult table.
We're gonna go at the end of the hour. Take
all these young quarterbacks. Some are still at the kids table.
At some point all of us in life graduate to
the adults table. Where is Jackson Dark cam War? Where
is chdor Standers. We'll have that in about fifteen minutes. First,
(24:47):
Jmac with the news.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
No turn on the news. This is the headline news.
Speaker 6 (24:55):
I would assume JJ McCarthy's probably eating with the dog outside, right,
something like that. Anyways, all right, let's get started with
the Chiefs. They're playing on Thanksgiving. I did not know
this is the first time in Patrick Mahomes's career he
will be playing on Thanksgiving. Casey visits Dallas. I got
some fun stuff on this game later on Colin in headlines.
I think he'll be surprised. Mahomes is from Texas. He's
(25:15):
gonna have a lot of friends and family at Jerry
will probably looking to put.
Speaker 1 (25:18):
On a show.
Speaker 6 (25:19):
Reportedly fifty people wow in the Mahomes orbit will be
at the game. Here he is talking about the excited
Thanksgiving game.
Speaker 4 (25:27):
He grew up watching Thanksgiving games, no matter who you're
a fan of, if it's the Lions of Cowboys or
whoever's playing at night, I mean, he grew up watching
those games, and so I think as that kid in
me wants to be able to go out there and
play on Thanksgiving and find a way to win. And
obviously short week where we're growing in here right now
and getting the whole game plan in and making sure
everybody's prepared or ready to go. But I think we're
(25:48):
excited to get to go out there and play on
Thanksgiving against a really good football team and the whole
world watch him.
Speaker 1 (25:56):
Yeah, I think it's a good game. I think you
have one really really good defense, one emerging defense, one
excellent offense, and one offense that's pretty good at home,
not as good in the road. I think it comes out.
I think it's a very very good football game. It's
hard for me to take Kansas City. I think they're
the better team, but it is hard for me to
take them with the hook Dallas home getting the hook.
(26:20):
I probably take the Cowboys again. I regretted not taking
them against Philly because you talked me into it and
I was gonna do it, and it was the last
game I dropped and I made a mistake.
Speaker 6 (26:31):
Yeah, I don't think the Chiefs have won on the
road since like the Tyreek Hill era. They're really struggling
on the road. Now, how about this, Colin, I give
you a little teaser here. So I just looked at
the chief schedule of the season. They have struggled on
the road. Can you believe This is their first indoor
game of the football season, first.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
Indoor game on the fast track.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
We get finally Worthy Rice could be so the over
it got smashed earlier this week. I don't know where
it is now, but I got fifty two. This could
be one of these, like, holy hell, it's forty thirty
seven kind of games because we haven't seen Worthy do
anything recently. But then you look at like, oh, it's
all outdoor games. He doesn't have that super edge. So
(27:11):
I'm very excited for this game. Next up, Colin, listen
to Lane kiffin saga. We followed this very close to yesterday.
Urban Meyer stopped by and gave his opinion on what
Lane Kiffin should do.
Speaker 1 (27:21):
Here's what he said.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
This is on Chartered Waters though. To leave a team
that could potentially and you tell me other than Ohio
State maybe, and you have a and m Ohio State Indiana,
I'm telling you all misses right there. How do you
walk in that meeting and say, hey, guys, I'm not
only leaving, I'm going to be playing you next year.
You know, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (27:47):
Could take So when Signetti left JMU for Indiana, he
brought all his guys with him. Yeah, all I keep
hearing about LSU. You recruit, you get the best guys.
Would Lane even bring his guys from Ole miss or
would he just go get five star guys.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
I think he'd bring ed Orgeron on as the he
would is the defensive line coach or defensive coordinator.
Speaker 2 (28:08):
So I'll give my take.
Speaker 6 (28:10):
If they win this game the Egg Bowl, I think
he says if they lose, it makes it much easier
to leave because they're not a lock for the playoff.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Colin, if they lose this game and that game is
a five six point spray, I saw seven.
Speaker 4 (28:22):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (28:23):
Okay, maybe it's going down.
Speaker 6 (28:24):
But listen, you can't just walk into Stark Vegas and
expect to get a dub on Black Friday. This is
a tough one for Lane. I mean, listen, you've you've
jumped around. You keep talking about the old players. I mean,
I coached the mindset in the shows before you had
a big decision to make. Because I don't know he's
Lane locked in this for me.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
For me, it's always is it good for the family,
Is it good for the trajectory of the career. If
it's two texts, then it's gone. It is good for
the career, good for the family, No for you know,
jusually family first, I say, and are you willing? Okay?
Is it good for the career? Boom? I mean to me,
that's and this is a better job comes down to
(29:01):
the family. I mean that's I'm not saying I know
I'm doing it right or wrong. I'm just saying nobody
cares about I'll be a legend at Old Miss. That's
not what people care about that. I don't buy that.
Speaker 6 (29:13):
So final question on this like, are you, I know
you root for chaos? That's your phrase, right interest? What
are you rooting for here? What's the most interesting because
I think we disagree.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
I want Old Miss to get to the national championship
against Ohio State with Lane Kiffin or without Yeah, with.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Lane camera, I'm rooting from the state. Also kind of
a middle finger to LSU you guys, you get your
act together. No, thank you, I want no part of that.
Final story, Colin, Let's go back to Lamar Jackson. And
you know, listen, the running numbers for this guy are staggering.
It's almost like is he old? And then you look
at his agent like he's not even close to thirty. Colin,
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These numbers are really bad this season. In eight starts,
he's averaging twenty nine rushing yards per game, and he's
getting sacked more. So is it less about he doesn't
want to run and get hurt or is he just
not as fleet afoot as he used to be? Look
on the screen there, he was rarely getting sacked. He's
not as elusive as he was before.
Speaker 1 (30:09):
He is hurt, and players don't like to advertise they
are hurt. Rock Purty is not one hundred percent those
interceptions on Monday. Those those balls had no velocity at all.
Brock's not gonna go Yeah, I'm not one hundred percent.
He's not that kind of kid either, as Lamar. They're
both obviously Brock and Lamar are not at one hundred percent.
(30:32):
And I'm a bigger Lamar fan than a Brock fan.
But go watch the Brock pretty interceptions on YouTube. All
of them are behind the receiver and hang in the air.
He didn't have a Josh Allen arm, but Brock's got
a better arm than that. Brock's hurt.
Speaker 6 (30:45):
So do you believe on Monday the take will be
man Ravens. They could not beat the Bengals. They couldn't
get separation. They're out of the Super Bowl bubble or
holy cow, the Ravens woke up. Lamar was just sandbagging everybody,
and the Ravens kind of put it on the Bengals.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
I don't think they put it on them. I think
it's a division game and I'll take, you know, twenty
six twenty or twenty eight twenty four. I would take
the I would take the dog. But I think it's
a very competitive divisional game and I can't wait to
watch Burro plays. Jmckle the news, Well, that's.
Speaker 2 (31:18):
The news, and thanks for stopping that. It's the Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
There's all these young quarterbacks. There's Jackson Dart, There's Caleb Williams.
There's Bo Nicks, There's JJ McCarthy, there is Drake May,
there is Bryce Young, there is cam Ward, there's Schedure Sanders.
We all grow up eating the kids table. Are they
ready on Thanksgiving to go to the adult table? We'll
(31:42):
talk about that coming up. It's the Herd.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
and noon Easter not a em Pacific.
Speaker 6 (31:53):
Thanksgiving Day, Fox is serving up a classic NSC North
rivalry as Jordan Love and the Packers take on Jared
Goff and the Lions. Coverage begins at eleven am Eastern
with the pregame show live on location from Detroit Thanksgiving
Day on Fox.
Speaker 1 (32:11):
NFL has always been to me the sport of hope.
It takes a long time to go from a terrible
baseball team to a World Series team. But in the
NFL you can be the New England Patriots like a
Hazmatt spill. You get Drake May, you get Mike Rabel,
Josh mcdowne, mccownt and Josh McDaniel. Excuse me, all of
(32:31):
a sudden, you're the number one seed. It's the sport
of hope. You get the head coach, the coordinator, and
the quarterback right and you are suddenly a Super Bowl contender.
But it's all centered. College football is about the coach.
Pro football is about the quarterback, and we've got a
lot of young quarterbacks. Thanksgivings tomorrow. They all start Week
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one in the NFL as rookies at the kids table
till they graduate to the Staff Efford table, or they
graduate to the Justin Herbert or the Patrick Mahomes, Josh
Allen table. So Jmack, let's determine kids table or adult
table for these young signal callers. All right, Colin, you
ready for this? Here we go.
Speaker 6 (33:14):
Will it be the kids table or the big quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (33:18):
For Drake Nate, he has already pivoted to the big
quarterback table. Listen, He's better than even people who liked
him thought. Leads the NFL in completion percentage at a
remarkable seventy one percent, best record in the NFL, already
has well over three thousand yards right now, he feels
(33:40):
like a top six to seven quarterback today in the league. Durable, big,
accurate winning. So we're crowning him.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
Okay, I like it? All right?
Speaker 6 (33:48):
Kids table or big quarterback table?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
For Jackson Darton, He's still at the kids table, jmack.
In eight games, he's checked into the blue tent four times.
He's already you know. He leads quarterbacks in Russia attempts,
which I am a fan of young quarterbacks using their
athletic ability and feet to move the chains as they grow.
(34:14):
But right now, from the pocket, still have my doubts.
He's a risk taker. He moves well, a lot of confidence.
Probably one more Thanksgiving from moving, you know, to a
glass of wine.
Speaker 6 (34:25):
All right, well, this one's going to divide the audience.
Kids table or Big Quarterback table for your guy, Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (34:33):
He's at the Big Boy come four and zero in November.
One of three quarterbacks with thirty touchdown passes and ten
or fewer interceptions over the last two years. You want
to hear the other ones, Stafford Lamar and your guy
Jalen Hurtz. Caleb Williams is comfortably sitting next to grandpa.
(34:54):
Oh my god, that is troubling.
Speaker 6 (34:56):
Kids table or Big Quarterback table for BONICKX your other
best friend.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Come on, adult table.
Speaker 6 (35:03):
Not even enough?
Speaker 1 (35:05):
I mean nine total touchdowns in the fourth quarter, ranked
second in the league. Leads the NFL with eight game
winning drive last two seasons, top ten and wins, passing yards,
touchdown passes. I mean, come on, he is okay, he's
getting the leg.
Speaker 6 (35:26):
You're the teaser. You're the teaser. I wish I had
in like eleventh grade biology. Kids table or Big Quarterback
table for Bryce.
Speaker 1 (35:33):
Young two inconsistent. I'm sorry you watched it Monday. He's
shrank in a big spot. I'm sorry. He's a great kid,
but you very early on. You were like, you were like,
he didn't look the part. Ninety or worst passer rating
in nine of his eleven starts, and I like his
coach and rico' daddell. He's got a couple of young
(35:54):
but very talented wide receivers. Their defense is better, but
he is twelve and twenty seven since he entered the league.
Kid's table not great.
Speaker 6 (36:03):
We should probably skip this one, but we'll do it anyway.
Kid's table or big quarterback table for JJ McCarthy.
Speaker 1 (36:09):
Well, in the second and third quarters this year, he
has a twenty seven passer rating, So I don't even
want to be mean kids table. In fact, the other kids,
the other kids let him go first and pick Oh
he's struggling. Hey, I feel bad for the kid. He's struggling.
Speaker 6 (36:22):
It's early.
Speaker 1 (36:23):
He'll he'll turn it around.
Speaker 6 (36:24):
Kid's table or big quarterback table for cam Ward.
Speaker 1 (36:29):
I'm gonna put him at the big boy tables. I
think he's really talented. I think he's not getting any help.
He's the most sacked quarterback they fired. Their coach. Reminds
me a lot of a less talented Chicago Bear mess.
Last year. The Bears had more players I think I
think cam Ward's good. Like last weekend, it's finally coming around.
But last year Caleb, everybody said he was terrible. Twenty touchdown,
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six picks. This is a multiple touchdown game against the Seahawks. Ran.
He's growing on me. I'm not saying he gets the
stuffing last. He's not getting the mashed potatoes first at
the adult table. But I'm gonna put him there. I
think he's I see, I see some potential stardom. Yeah,
I agree.
Speaker 6 (37:12):
Finally kids table or big quarterback table for Shedeur Sanders, Neither.
We're putting him at a new table.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
The legendary tale every quarterback? Is it a height cher
news legendary? Hey led the NFL last week yards per attempt?
Speaker 6 (37:39):
Wow?
Speaker 2 (37:40):
Last week? You know what?
Speaker 1 (37:42):
I took some uh some of the motif on his
draft room legendary. I just moved it over to Thanksgiving.
Did you just use motif on a sports show?
Speaker 6 (37:50):
Oh my gosh, coward in his bag here? Listen to Chadur.
The Chadeur for five online is coming after you for this.
Speaker 2 (37:58):
Boy. Damn, I will say this.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
He did you know my rule on quarterbacks? If your
college problem is your NFL problem you're in trouble. Johnny
Manzel ran around too much. You watch them in the pros,
You're like, yeah, yeah, that that stuff is not gonna work. Uh.
If Caleb Williams struggled with accuracy struggles in the NFL,
it's my only criticism of him. Gotta be a little
(38:21):
bit more accurate. Yeah, does the Legendary table eat before
the kids table?
Speaker 6 (38:25):
Or no?
Speaker 1 (38:26):
You know it's it's somewhere in between. Okay, all right,
all right, you could they do serve wine at the
legendary table? Oh really win not at the kids table? Okay,
all right, But here's what I'd say about Shadoor Sanders.
The opposite is also true. When I watched him last week,
I saw Colorado Shaduer and I thought Colorado Shoulder was
(38:48):
a mid first mid second round pick. He moves better
than anybody gives him credit for. Stop saying he's a
pocket quarterback. He has a couple spin moves. He moves.
He's not as quick to me as like a bow knicks.
He's not quite that twitchy. But he's a good athlete.
He has a average to average plus arm. By the way,
(39:09):
on the deep throws accurate and it does help. I
will say this. I know in Cleveland everybody's banging on Stefanski,
but one of the things, j Max, that you and
I can't argue about. It has been a clear advantage
to have an offensive coach if you're a rookie, Yeh
bow Knicks, Caleb Williams, Okay Raheem Morris, that's who Mike
(39:31):
Pennix gets right now, you.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
Can Yeah, how come Penix?
Speaker 6 (39:33):
Is it? He's not even invited to Thanksgiving.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
He's hurt. He's hurt. I don't know what to do
with that.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
So I need to ask you.
Speaker 6 (39:39):
So Bryce Young, who's in you know, multiple years in
the league, couldn't do anything against the Robert sala defense.
If Shaduur goes out and has a passable game against
Salah and the Niners, then there's she's really gonna freak out.
People are gonna be like, this is your starter next year.
So just be ready for that because Sunday, the slate
is not great. All the good teams are fired on
Thanksgiving Day. So Shaduur could have a game against Salah
(40:01):
at home. It's inclement weathers, so maybe that's uh, maybe
that'll throw a wrinkle in.
Speaker 1 (40:06):
That but yeah, I think I think. I feel like
some of the Chaduur stuff is a little bit like Tibau.
People are talking about conspiracy theories. He's got a very
fanatical you know following. It's very tribal. The difference is,
I think Chadur throws an NFL ball. I think I
think Tibo was always a little bit in terms of
(40:27):
athletic ability, a little overstated. I think Shador's athletic ability
is understated. And the aird thing about Shadur that I like,
I think he's too goofy and playful for me. I
wish he was a little more serious.
Speaker 6 (40:38):
He's what is he twenty three years old?
Speaker 1 (40:40):
Oh but we've always said it's not fair, but I
do need my cornerbacks to be grown ups. I don't
need I don't care about any interposition. There are certain
things in life. If you're working in the ICU in
a hospital and you're twenty four, you can't be at
Senior Froggy's the night before knocking down twelve tequilas. I
need you to be a grown up. There are Pilot,
(41:01):
you can't be out at the bar night before if
you're twenty five year old. Pilot pilot surgeons quarterbacks. I'm sorry,
it's unfair. You have to be more mature. That's part
of it, right, Surgeon pilot, quarterback, you have to be
a different twenty four.
Speaker 6 (41:17):
The two occupations that literally save lives, and then a
quarterback who throws a pig skin.
Speaker 1 (41:22):
Yeah yeah, okay, god, it makes sense. Another one of
my analogies that nailed it all right. Our number three
coming up, Bunna Winds
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