Colin Cowherd reacts to the latest Pittsburgh Steelers performance and explains why more Steelers fans are turning on head coach Mike Tomlin after their 5th loss in their last 7 games
He discusses Lane Kiffin leaving Ole Miss for LSU and the backlash he is getting as a result
Bears HC Ben Johnson is the best new hire since Sean McVay
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, it's gonna be a Monday for the Ages. What
the last four days we had? We're live, We're in Chicago.
It's Doc Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
You got a lot of choices out there. Sark Steve Sarkisian.
Stop fight Urban Meyer, Stop fight Lane. Kevin's going to LSU.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What don't we make it?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Affairs? What do we make of Mike Tomlin Pittsburgh. Let's
not waste any time one hour from now? Where Colin
was right? Where Colin was wrong? So you heard the chance? Potentially?
Did you hear the chance in Pittsburgh as the Bills
were rolling over the Steelers fire Mike Tomlin chance? And
I feel like the last eight years the Steelers are
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the exact same team. They'll finish slightly above five hundred.
They have the bottom ten defense. They'll be better early
than November, December and January. And the quarterback plays limited
because they can't run the football and the old line
is always in crisis. That's what they are. You can
keep running through quarterbacks and left tackles and wide receivers
and drama and running backs coordinators, doesn't matter the guy
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in charge. Mike Tomlin is tone def to offense. NFL
head coaches have gotten younger, smarter, and more offensive, and
these older defensive guys Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin,
Ron Rivera Lovey Smith, they feel outdated. And I said this,
Aaron Rodgers, go to Minnesota or retire. You're just stepping
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into Tomlin's quicksand And I would have no problem hiring
Mike Tomlin, say in Miami to stabilize the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I think he'd be a really good fit there.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
But look around the league right now, who's the number
one seed in the AFC. Sean Payton offensive coach, the
Jaguars never deliver. Oh wait, now they're gonna win their
division potentially. Liam Cohen offensive coach. Sean McVeigh is number
two seed in the NFC. You know who number one is,
offensive coach Ben Johnson. I would argue Kyle Shanan's done
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a better job coaching than anybody outside of Mike ravel
this year, another offensive coach. Offensive coaches are younger, they're smarter,
they're more current.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I said this last week.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Offensive coaches can fix problems in the season. Defensive guys
feel like they need an off season. And I'm sorry,
but on defense they're old. The Steelers are expensive, Darius Slay,
Jalen Ramsey, they're past their prime. They're paying a fortune
for it. They got gray beards on offense and on defense.
They took a defensive tackle instead of Jackson Dark. What
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are you doing again? No urgency? This is a criticism
I said about Pete Carroll. Do you know Smith's not
good enough? Ron Rivera said, I got to Sam Howe,
not good enough, Aaron Rodgers. Don't blame him. Look around
the league. The rules have change. These old defensive guys,
I don't have a problem with Demko Ryans, Mike McDonald.
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They're young, they're current, they're aggressive. I mean McDonald took
over for Pete Carroll an hour later. The team was
better with the same players. So the last six Super
Bowls have featured head coaches with an offensive background. Doesn't
mean you have to hire him. But yesterday, finally, finally,
the fans said enough. I mean, you hold Buffalo to
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three points at half and you get rolled and we
don't even like Buffalo this year. We don't even know
what to make up Buffalo this year. Here was a
stoic and an honest Mike Tomlin after.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
That's an awful performance by us, but it's us. We
didn't do a lot well tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Obviously, May did you have a sense for how restlessly
frustrating the crowd was To Ben.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't know how restless and frustrated I was, and
so I assume they were in the same state we
were in. Man, I shared their frustration tonight. Man, we
didn't do enough, and that's just reality of it.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, the defense has been the highest paid for four years.
It's not elite. Come on now, and this is not
just me or the media or the fans. We don't
even think Buffalo's creative. Here's TJ. Watt sounding like a
shot at Tomlin the staff after the game.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
We need to find ways to be able to make plays,
and I mean I've never seen a team run the
same play as much as they ran tonight and have
as much success as they had. I mean, I'm out
of a lot of words for it. We talk about
the team that we have, we talk about everything that
we have, but right now we don't have a kick
ass defensive group.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And that's all that I can speak on.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I mean, you got to have it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Ben Johnson has been in Chicago less than a year.
They already have an identity tough, physical, run the ball
on offense. How many years are we going to watch
the Steelers struggle to figure out how to run the football.
Ben Johnson's done it in twelve thirteen weeks. Mike Vrabel,
still in a rebuild, has got that defense planet's butt
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off and not paying much for it. He can't figure
out the defense like it just doesn't work anymore. I'd
hire him maybe in Miami. Doesn't mean he's not a
good coach, and it wouldn't fit other places. But between
this ownership group, the great GM who left, the coach
who feels toned def to offense, the fans have finally
come to the realization that we have for about three
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years this is not good enough. It's just not good enough.
And All Miss wasn't good enough for Lane Kiffin. Say
what you want about Kiffin, you don't have to like him.
Harbaugh to Michigan, Kiffin to LSU. They feel big. Harball
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was controversial for years. Kiffin's going to be controversial every
four weeks. This is great for college football. There's an
attention economy in college football. Dion did it at Colorado,
put eyes on the program. He's just not the coach
Kiffin is. And this is not LSU much better program
than Colorado. And I say this to all the bitter
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people in Mississippi. I understand you're hurt, but when you
have signed up for this exit, when Kiffin got.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
There, you've been irrelevant forever. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think last time you won an SEC championship was
in the sixties. Anytime you're good, you have a manning quarterback,
arch or Eli. If I'd have told you four years ago,
Lane Kiffin's going to burn you at the end'll make
you the number one offense. It'll be the best Old
Miss football team ever. Stadium's packed, everybody in the country
is looking at you. You'll feel proud to be a
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Mississippian and an Ole Miss fan.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
He'll leave you. It'll be ugly.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You that taken it on the spot. You date the supermodel,
she dun't you? You knew it was coming. I mean
you were cheating with Hugh Freezi years ago. So you
played the game in college football. You were paying people
when you weren't supposed to pay people. Don't get too precious,
old miss. Your history was Hugh Freeze. You supported him.
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NCAA outrageous Nick Saban stopped recruiting in Mississippi with Hugh
Freeze because they were just buying players.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So you played the game before.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
This is the game. It's an eight billion dollar industry.
I have complained for years about college football. It's boxing.
Bob aram Don King made a fortune and a handful
of boxers did, but it was unregular. That's why Dana
White shows up and the UFC dominates. Boxing gets organized.
It's got a CEO, right, It's an unregulated it's I
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said last week, it's bitcoin. You buy it, you better
know it's turbulent and you're gonna get scorched. You're gonna
have bad days, and that's college football. I don't love
I don't love leaving before the playoff. But college football's
calendar's always been weird, and college football has put up
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no boundaries or regulations on this. So the last fifty years,
all miss five times has had a ten win season.
Kiffin gave you three, and he gave you You're only
eleven win regular season. Okay, So and you got busted
for cheating years ago with Hugh Freeze, Houston, Nutt or
ed or Jeron.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I can go through the coaches. Nobody wins there.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Kiff It not only onenty one big, and the SEC
has always had one rule, always eat or be eaten.
This was bound to happen. And you don't have to
like Kiffin, and you don't have to like the way
it looks. But he's a ladder climber and a lot
of coaches are and I get it. Nick Saban get
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out of here at Bama. USC fired him on a tarmac.
Lane Kiffen's reality is Al Davis fired him weirdly. USC
fired him strangely. You think he's losing sleep. And if
you didn't know that going in, that's a you problem. Now,
this ridiculous comment that Lane Kiffen should be allowed to
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coach at Old Miss having the LSU job. That's the
dumbest thing I've ever heard. So I don't blame Old
Miss for moving off him. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
People that say that on other networks. You've heard a
relegation in the English Premier League, you should be relegated
as an on air talent. If you're arguing that, I mean,
that's just ridiculous. That's not going to happen. I'm rooting
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for Old Miss in the playoffs. Selfishly, I wanted to
watch Lane Kiffin. I wanted to see it. I don't
think they're as good as is most teams, but I
think they could potentially beat Notre Day. And they're not
beating Ohio State. I don't think anybody's beaten Ohio State.
But come on, man, college football it's like a weird
black market economy. They don't have a CEO, they don't
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have a president. The old wild Wild West in the
eighteen hundreds when he used to have territorial governors, that's
what you have in college football. They're called conference commissioners.
All they care about is themselves. Here was Lane Kiffin after.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
This was a very challenging, difficult day. You know, We
went through a lot last night with Keith Carter trying
to figure out a way, you know, to make this
playoff you know, run work and the order to coach
the team. And at the end of the day, that's
his decision, and I totally respect that. I understand that decision,
and you know, so I just totally wish the team
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the best of the luck, wish that I was coaching,
but understand that it was a very challenging position for
him and the chance to be in, and totally respect that. So,
you know, just really really hope they play really well
and go win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Good job by Marty Smith there, Hey, listen this idea
that Kiffin's trying.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
To direct the program.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Have any of you guys ever gotten a great job,
because when you do, you take three or four people
from your great job to the next job. It didn't
take the entire staff. He's not trying to direct the program.
He's not rooting against Old Miss, but he's now the
coach of what many coaches perceive as the best job
in college football, or at least top three. The reaction
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at that little airport in Oxford, though, I got to admit,
let's play it sound up is pretty funny. I'm sorry
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that I could watch that on a loop. I'm sorry,
but it's always remarkable to me when people get into
relationships with people who have a clear ID, who have
a clear brand. And I know Lane, I always got
along with him. Fine, he's not for everybody. I think
he's grown up. But you'd have taken him if I'd
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have told you. He's gonna burn you in the end.
But it'll be four years of bliss. You'll be the
number one offense in college football. Everybody will be talking
about you. You're gonna make the college football Playoff. You
gotta signed up for it in a heartbeat. It just
ended up like bitcoin acquisitions bumpy. You feel burned. Unregulated,
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that's what it is. Don't buy the coin if you
don't like.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The outcome potential.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I an ole mess. You know you're not gonna
let him keep coaching there and have another job at LSU.
That's dumb, all right, J Mack. We got Ben Johnson
and the Chicago Bears. Are they gonna run the NFC?
How about this weekend slate of games? Bears, Packers, Thursday's Lions, Cowboys,
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even the Jags Colts is interesting. I mean it worked
out perfectly. The TV games coming up starting Thursday are
the best of the year.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yeah, and you got college football obviously getting crazy. Besides
the Linkiffin, I'm so you saw Pat Fitzgerald headed to
Michigan State. That's a home run higher. I mean, just
an awesome weekend in sports. So if you had a
good Thanksgiving mind with spectacular.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yep, same here Sunday night after the conference championships, which
I don't think are gonna last very long. I don't
think you need him anymore. They're gonna put out the
college football Playoff. I thought Notre Dame was in over
Miami for sure. Then I watched Miami hammer Pittsburgh, and
now I'm not sure. At least Miami can say we
got a great win over Notre Dame. Notre Dame can
say we've got a we beat USC. I'm telling you
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it's gonna be Razor Finn. You just gotta keep watching
the games. Sarks showing up later, so is urban Meyer.
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Speaker 1 (14:58):
You know, I was just trying to figure out what
to do when a coach is wearing his hat on
backwards in a locker room. Now I've got to process
a coach taking his shirt off in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
After the Bears went to Philly and hammered the Eagles,
I kind of like that too. Here's Ben Johnson. I
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gotta be honest. I may start doing this after the
morning meeting. I kind of like it. I mean, it
doesn't take that long. When you get the right head coach.
You get a Mike Vrabel, you get a Sean Payton,
you get a Ben Johnson, you get a Liam Cohen.
It doesn't take that long there's so much mediocrity in
so many industries. Excellence rises and it looks different. Here's
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all I know. Last year the Bears were twenty ninth
in big plays with the same quarterback, DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You had that too.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Now their second my bad first, they've gotten better at everything.
Getting the right coach does not guarantee super Bowls. Most
reasonable people understand that, but it does guarantee an identity.
The Patriots have one, the Bears have one, the Jags
have one. It guarantees you'll get the most, you'll squeeze
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the most out of your roster. This is largely last
year's roster, with a better guard, center, guard combo up front.
Yet the defense now is number one in takeaways, number
two in rushing. It's not like DeAndre Swift wasn't there
last year.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It just does.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And take that long and you'll find a common thread.
With the really good coaches. They're hard on their player.
Sean Payton's hard on Bnicks, no pandering. Ben Jonson's hard
on Caleb, no pandering. All the friendly the friendly guy
down in Miami. I think he seems like.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
A great guy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't need hugs in pandering and kisses and rainbows
and birds chirping. Be hard on your star young quarterback,
Be hard on everybody. Demand attention. You guys get an offseason, right,
you get Mondays off, sometimes Tuesday practice games two hours three.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Be focused.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And that's what Chicago is, not only the big picture stuff.
They're just better at what their roster allows them to
be better at. And I'll tell you this Bears team
is built for December and January because they can run
the ball. A lot of these teams, I don't know
if Jacksonville maybe they are. Some of these teams, I
don't know if they're bill for December and January.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
The Bears are.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And it's Ben Johnson. You know, you think defensive coaches
are the tough guys Shanahan, Ben Johnson. They love to
run the football. I mean they played Philadelphia, Philly has
Saquon Barkley. They ran it seventeen times. These guys ran
at forty seven. So Ben Johnson is one of these
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new young coaches. He wants to get physical. It's an identity,
it's a toughness. It's bled on over to the defense
and Caleb Williams. Ben doesn't like that. He only completes
fifty eight percent of his throws, but he doesn't throw
picks and he's no longer getting sacked, and those are
two great qualities for a young quarterback. So this Bears
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team when they were coming back and they were beating
the Giants was a cool story. Going to Philly and
hammering the Eagles is something well above a good story.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And here's Caleb on the w.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Every single game that that that we want to play
and that we play, uh, it's it is to make
a statement.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And that's just another game for us. You know, focus
on being want.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
To know each week, and you know, we keep we
keep doing that. We keep focusing on what's inside the
noise inside of the building. Honestly, it doesn't you know,
the statements and and all of that, All of that,
you know, is more more of the outside noise, more
of kind of stuff for y'all to kind of talk about,
and you know, the analysts and all the whoever to
talk about. And so you know, we'll we'll keep focusing
on ourselves.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Again, not hard to identify good coaching, and all good
coaches are tough and demanding on quarterbacks. They may stay
nice things to the press, but you watch the body language.
You watch Ben Johnson on the sideline, He's demanding. But
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you know when people say, well, I don't have a
lot to work with. We're dealing with injuries. Well, Kyle
Shanahan and Harbar are dealing with injuries. I don't even
know how the Chargers can run the ball. Got the
worst red at O line in football. I don't know
how the Niners can stop anybody. The whole team's beat
up defensively. Great coaching, you can identify it quickly. It
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is tough and demanding. And Ben Johnson, he feels like
the best hire in the NFL since Sean McVay. He
really does j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, no, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
All right, let's go from great news for the Bears
to not great news for the Chargers. Colin la got
to win over the Raiders, but Jim Harbaugh broke the
news yesterday Justin Herbert Broke suffered a fracture in his
left hand. It's really unclear how bad this is, but
he's getting surgery today. Yeah, okay, Now he did come
in finish the game through a touchdown pass. He doesn't
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even know if he's out next week. Okay, that's how
tough this Harbaugh, Harball, Herbert Combo is like they both
think like, Okay, he might play against the Eagles, which
is a tall order. If not, it would be Trey Lance.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
For what it's worth.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
A buddy of mine was at dinner last night after
the Chargers game and ran into Herbert and his smoke
show of a girlfriend. People were coming up to Herbert.
He was in good spirits. So I mean, I'm gonna
go ahead and just say I have no idea if
he's gonna play. Chargers did look dangerous Colin last night.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well again, it's another offensive coach who remembers Chicago. Remember
the operational problems they had in the first two weeks.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
They've cleaned him up in season.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Remember how bad opening drives had been for Denver or
they cleaned them up in season. I mean they've Harbaugh
and Kyle Shanahan are putting on a master class. They
should not be able to run the ball all their
offensive line to disaster. Lowest ridded in the sport. But
this is what good coaching does. There. Once you have toughness,
even if you're j Mack, even if you lose stars
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toughness seeks right, It's all through the roster. You can
win a lot of love, a lot of games missing
stars or beat up if you're resilient and tough. This
is a sport of big, strong, physical men, and I
think they're just willing their way to a win.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
It's a good point about the offensive line. Remember the
Bills yesterday, right, no tackles and they rush for like
two hundred and some odd yards against the Steelers. So
running the balls huge, Now, this is a nugget going forward.
So Vidal, the backup who really had not done anything
last season. He was good yesterday. I had a long
touchdown run. They should get Hampton back next week. We
know what this team is going to be in January.
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They're running Hampton and Vidal down your throat. And if
they get a lead. Justin Herbert on third down last night,
Colin twelve of thirteen. It's easy passes, nothing deep, nothing risky.
This team is scary if they get an early lead
on you. I like the Chargers a lot. Let's go
to the next story and Sunday Night football. On paper,
kind of a week game, but it turned out to
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be kind of interestile until the end. What goes to
overtime and the Broncos get super lucky as Nick Benito
bats down what should have been a walk in down
for Jeremy Nichols in Washington, Mariota didn't totally read it well,
didn't lob it up high enough. Here's Sean Payton after
the game when he was asked about escaping.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I'm sure both teams, when we look at the film,
probably did some things we didn't want to do. But
those guys came out and fought hard. So did our guys,
and you know we made a play at the end.
That was the difference. We don't escape. We won.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
The journey of a.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
Good team season involved games like this and then you
believe you can do it again.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Let me let me defend Denver here.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Okay, all right, now, the season seventeen games, so we
all acknowledged the first game of the year doesn't even matter.
Raiders meet the Patriots, you start playing well. Great examples
the Rams. Stafford had thirty touchdowns and two picks. Do
you think he was gonna end up with forty touchdowns
and three picks? Eventually you travel out east, you get
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caught flat footed. Carolina has to win off a Niners loss,
and all of a sudden, the Rams defense doesn't have
a ton of energy and you're Denver won the game. Okay,
Denver is a number one seed. They're not gonna play
with the same intensity. All those guys know Washington's on
a backup quarterback. When you have a seventeen game season.
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This is not college football, as you well know, where
you have advantages with athletes. These are all pro players,
and so I'm watching that game.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
It could have gone either way.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But I'll tell you, I don't think it's a coincidence
that Sean Payton and Ben Johnson win all these close games,
or Andy Reid did last year. They are very good
at several things. They were just bad defensively by their
standards last night. The Rams were bad yesterday by their standards.
Bryce Young fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Yeah, I mean listen the one score games eight and two.
You saw this dat on the screen five and zero
when trailing in the fourth. We can say that's intestinal
fortitude and toughness and smart. Well, you know what, the
Chiefs last year unbelievable in one score games. This year,
wouldn't you know it? They can't win any of them.
They're really struggling in one score games. So this stuff
kind of goes back and forth. You have to admit
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the ball is bouncing their way a lot. Yeah, and Colin,
I cannot wait to see who they play if they
get the two season. I think we think but the
Patriots will probably be the one because of the schedule.
If they play.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Buffalo, I'm taking Denver.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
I'm taking well, we had to hit on that one.
If they play the could they play the Ravens. I
don't know if the Ravens could could get the wild
card because that division is kind of wonky right now.
We'll see. I don't know if the Chiefs play Denver
round three? Are you taking Denver? I just I think
we need to pump the brakes on how dominant this
team is. Enjoy it while it lasts. I see you grinning.
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You know the story here like this is not a
great football Dee've got it play.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I mean, everybody keeps telling me the Bears aren't that
good and the Broncos aren't that good.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
They keep winning, they do, they do, they are. Let
the good times roll, right, final story, Colin, let's go
back to Thanksgiving. You know we totally nailed this game
on Friday or on Wednesday, Sorry, Packers would beat the Lions.
Jordan Love would be incredible, Christian Watson would be amazing.
But what I didn't anticipate with these high leverage downs
green Bay two touchdowns on fourth down.
Speaker 11 (26:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Meanwhile, the Lions, they just cannot get this fourth down
thing right all of a sudden. And here's Dan Campbell. Well, no, actually,
here's Jordan Love talking about the excitement about the Packers win.
Speaker 12 (26:27):
I think be able to go out there on fourth
down and execute and make some big time plays is
really the difference in that game right there. So you know,
that's what it comes down to, is just going out
there excuting and those got to have the plays. And
we made plays to night everybody. I mean, we're staying aggressive.
You know, we got a chance to go out there
in ice a game, you know, not even give them
a chance to get the ball back, and we stayed aggressive,
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and I love it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We made plays right there. Let me say this, Green
Bay's offense was broken three weeks ago. It was we
both said it's broken. One of their young offensive coach
he fixed it in season. Pittsford can't do that. So,
and the other thing I'm taking in this game is
and there were some really weak officiating both sides.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
It was now you all weekend it.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Was yeah green Bay.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I'm not going green Bay deserves to win. But it's
funny if I told you there was this quarterback in
Green Bay, tall, athletic, big arm, highly aggressive, never throws picks,
You'd be like, WHOA can people finally acknowledge Jordan Loves
really talented to go into that environment.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I mean every trait. I like everything he does.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I like when you get upside and he doesn't throw
a lot of picks.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I mean, I think the kid is You got to
give Green Bay credit.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
When he came out of Utah State, he did not
have a good final year in college, and my sources
were totally mixed on him. They were like some just
were not into it, way reckless, way loose. This kid
has been coached hard, coached fairly. He is a tremendous player.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Yeah, there's a stat that the gamblers like EPA per play,
Jordan Love is the number one quarterback in that by
some margin over Drake.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Man, tell people what that means.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Well, expected points added for every single play, great, every
single play and Jordan Love. I know it's no risk
at no biscuits sometimes with him, but Colin, if you
look at the numbers, he is shredding when it matters most.
And I will add this, they did lose Tucker's draft obviously,
that's a big, huge law.
Speaker 13 (28:26):
Hey.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
By the way, you know who's coming back, Matthew Golden.
You know who else is coming back, Jayden Reid and
Christian Watson looks healthy. Colin, this offense, I said it wednesday.
I was like, listen, if you think the Packers can
go to the super Bowl, bet them now. I think
they're the best team in the NFC. I know that
sounds crazy, but that defense. Did you see the Detroit
had ten plays stopped at the line of scrimmage or
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behind it. Micah Parsons and those stunts. Now losing Wyatt
their defensive tackle, that's a big loss because he's excellent.
But I do think Green Bay, if you look like
you think you have the rams still coming out of
the NFC right well.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I mean I don't take anything from the loss yesterday.
I think Green Bay three weeks ago, I think we
both said on the air their offense is broken. But
these young offensive coaches do a much better job of
fixing things than these old defensive coaches. And I thought
that was an impressive win. Again, I thought it was
an egregiously officiated game, but I'm not gonna say that's
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why they won their work. I mean, at one point
somebody grabbed I think it was Christian Watson's arm was grabbed,
and yeah, gall it it was blatant missed by the
official staring at it. So I green Bay's a really
well coached, smartly quarterbacked team that added the guy they
needed to an elite pass rusher. Because what Green Bay
has been leading games in the fourth quarter for thirty years,
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Rarely of that Reggie White closed wins. This is another guy.
Micah closes the door. He's there, Mario on Rivera. He'll
close out a lead, you know, with the you need
twelve pitches left, Yeah, Burl.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Click on the Lions, Colin. It looks like they're probably
gonna miss the playoffs. We said in the offseason losing
Ben Johnson would be massive. We look like idiots for
like seven weeks. How about now we weren't wrong, We
were just early. I'm just telling you, Lions, I'm in
Ross Saint Brown's gonna be out a couple weeks now.
They were thrown to a guy who played lacrosse I
think six months ago. I don't know what's going on
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with the Lions. They're in trouble as they can't run
the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Jmack with the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
That's the news, and thanks for stopping by The Herd
Line News.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
First of all, Philadelphia Circle in the drain the Dallas Cowboys.
I think we all have to write apology letters to
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
We'll talk about that net.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
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Speaker 7 (30:45):
The first time in conference history, number one and number
two collide in the Big Ten title Game. Heisman hopefuls
collide as Julian Sayan leads Number one Ohio State against
Fernando Mendoza and number two Indiana. Coverage begins Saturday six
thirty Eastern on fives.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Let me ask you this something about this game. Let
me ask you Ohio State doesn't need to win. I'm honestly,
they just played in Michigan. I don't think they'll have
a letdown, but the game could mean more to Indiana.
I don't think conference championships are going to be around long.
I think the playoff eliminates the need. We both know
Indiana and Ohio State are top twelve teams.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
We know it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It's the one's got a great offense, one's got a
great defense and a pretty good offense. So I like
that game. I'm gonna watch it. I'm really interested. But
you know, I look at that and I think to myself,
I think Ohio State's better. And if Ohio State hadn't
played Michigan, I think they'd win, maybe convincingly. But it's
a college football now has changed a lot. It's a
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lot closer to the NFL, where not every game at
the end of the season matters if you've already qualified
for the playoffs. I'm fascinated to watch the Hoosiers in
Ohio State, but beating Michigan, and that's the key to it,
and they did.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Sometimes you sell a nice house, really nice house, and
you buy another house because it fits your family. Now,
the people who bought your old nice house, they really
needed that house more than you did. And it doesn't
mean you don't respect them or that you didn't like
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the house. But they are just different times in a
family's life. Not having kids, you can live one place.
Now you got a bunch of kids. You got to
live in a good school district. That to me was
Owa's the Micah Parsons trade. Dallas loved Micah, but the
players around him weren't good enough, and Jerry Jones needed flexibility.
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I said this during the Mica trade, and I felt
like I was on an island. Yes, it's good for
green Bay. It's great for Dallas too. They got the
infrastructure of the house they needed for their family. They
were atrocious defensively and agreed just lea bad against the
run and signing Micah.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
It wasn't gonna save that or change that.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But getting Quinnon Williams and Kenny Clark and still two
first round picks, they have flexibility and are now a
really good defense with the Marvin Overshown healthy. They're still
top two in the NFL in pressures without Micah, and
now they're great against the run. The Cowboys are a
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better football team without Micah. Doesn't mean you don't love
the house. It didn't provide what you needed in the moment.
Green Bay's a team with a powerful offense that needed
a closer. Micah was great for him and is great,
and MICA's still a great player, but Dallas wasn't leading
a lot of games because they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Stop the run.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And Jerry Jones, you know, it's funny if you took
out the teams and you took out the names of
the people involved, and you just said, there's this general manager.
He stole this star receiver for a third round pick.
He guy's like a pro bowler, and he got Quinn Williams,
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Kenny Clark. He took this atrocious defense and made it excellent,
and he's still got two first round picks. You'd be like,
who was it, Howie Roseman, No, it's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
You just don't like Jerry.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Jerry Jones was on radio this week saying how badly
he wanted Quinn Williams then of the Jets before the
deal was.
Speaker 13 (34:30):
Made, actually tried to trade actually for Williams. I wanted
a one and parsons for Williams, A one ten parsons
for Williams. I thought that much of Williams. And he's
showing him what he can do for a defense.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
So you know, it's just funny. Jerry took a lot
of heat. Remember he said to the Wall Street Journal,
there's one hundred billion present you with gas out there,
and that's why I'm talking to you on the telephone
rather than trying to fix our defense.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Took a lot of heat for that.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, people freaked out, But it looks like Jerry Jones
being distracted and neglected, neglecting the cowboys. He fixed the
defense and made a hundred billion dollars in natural gas.
You know, I mean, we got to be fair in
this business, Jerry to me. For years it was becoming
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kind of mom and pop. But the George Pickens deal,
the Quinn Williams deal, it takes guts to move off Micah,
who was beloved by fans. But they're a better team
without Micah because deal makers need flexibility. This is a
team that couldn't pay eight million dollars to get Derek
Henry a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Deal Makers Jeff.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Bezos at Amazon doesn't need more money, he needs flexibility.
Elon Musk doesn't need more money. Flexibility that's Jerry. Jerry's
got plenty of money. What Jerry needed was the ability
cap space to make moves and improved the entire roster,
and they have done that. This was a bad run defense.
Now it's excellent. Your eyes are not deceiving you. They
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beat Kansas City. They were the better team than Kansas City.
All right. Philadelphia is a mess and a talented mess.
But the Bears beat him in Philly, and they don't
have any identity right now. The Eagles offense with a
good old line, tight end, star receiver Saquon Barkley, Jalen
Hurts yards per game twenty fourth, third down percentage near
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the bottom of the league, three and out percentage worse
in the league. Punts tied for twenty nine. So and
they didn't just get ugly in the last couple of weeks.
They've been completely uneven since the first week. They have
had an offensive identity crisis for about seventy five to
eighty percent of Nick Sirianni's tenure. So, and I've said
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this about Nick Sirianni. He's not an elite scheme coach
like Dan Campbell in Detroit. You can argue he's a
good culture coach. He's good in the locker room, although
that sometimes sounds like she's got a great personality. But
He's not a great scheme coach, so it's much harder
for him than it is like a McVeigh, a Shanahan
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of Ben Johnson or a Matt Lafleur to fix something
in season. He did it that one year because he
just gave up the play calling to a really good
coach who now leads the Colts, Shane Stikeen. But it
does feel like an unsolvable problem because part of being
a great coach is constantly tweaking. Chargers lose both offensive tackles.
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Niners lose Fred Warner Bosa in their first round pick.
It's not just August to January. You have to constantly tweak.
And we've seen these issues since Week one, and they're
not tweaking them.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Because they can't.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
The GM has shown an ability in an off season
to tweak. It's interesting. I think Nick Sirianni feels almost
like a defensive coach. It's about brute strength, be aggressive,
have a vibe, be tough. What they need is tweaking
Green Bay three weeks ago, broken offense, Green Bay now
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Super Bowl contender. You gotta constantly tweak. It's been since
Week one, it's been a mess. So I just look
around this league right now, and it's very rare when
you can get a coach like Ben Johnson who is
not only a CEO and a culture builder, but good
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with schematics. That's McVeigh Shanahan. I think Brabel's pretty good
at that. But there's no easy answer. Everybody wants them
to move off the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
He's not McVeigh. Who's calling play who here's Nick Sirian.
Speaker 11 (39:03):
We're not changing the play caller, but we will evaluate everything.
I have confidence in the entire group. Again, I know
it will keep coming back to Kevin. But again, if
I thought it was one thing, then you make those changes.
Obviously it's a lot of different things. But yeah, I
don't think it is the you know, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I'll give you an example. Remember when the Rams earlier
this season, Puka Nakua got banged up and they had
all sorts of injuries. They literally mid season went to
thirteen personnel. Let's play three tight ends. Caught everybody off guard.
That's tweaking. That is modern coaching. So and Lafleur solving
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a broken offense, that's real coaching. God, the Bears early
in this season couldn't get the basics down the operational
stuff they do now. So the Eagles are zero and
four when Saquon Barkley gets thirteen carries or few they
face the Bears. Chicago runs at forty seven times, Eagles
run at seventeen with that whole line. So I don't
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think these are solvable.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Maybe, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I love the defense, and there are teams that are
just better on one side of the ball than the other.
But this league, the coaching is younger, it's smarter, and
you got to be a little bit of a psychologist
and a therapist and a doctor that makes home visits.
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Got problems to solve. And this has been around since
week one. They still can't solve it. So j Mack,
people keep talking about how good is Denver in Chicago?
Here's my question, how good's Philadelphia if they can't solve
their offense.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
Yeah, I think you mentioned this before. Some teams peak early.
Did the Eagles maybe peak a little bit early? I
saw a weird stat that since Nakobe Dean, they're good.
Linebacker from Georgia came back. Jihad Campbell, who has been
unbelievable this season, is barely playing. He didn't play one
defensive snap against the Bears, who ran the ball down
their throat, and I'm like, you know that maybe thing.
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You know, they're just going through a tough transitional time.
I think they'll be okay. There's still a dangerous team
obviously with Hertz and that defense. But you're right, that
was a bad eye opening loss.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
All right, Matt Hasselback, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, both Steve
Sarkesian and Urban Meyer stop by big story of the weekend.
You could have argued Lane Kiffin kind of blowing up
the SEC going to LSU.
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Oh, it's gonna be a Monday for the Ages. What
the last four days we had? We're live, We're in Chicago.
It's Doc Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may
be listening. Thanks for making us part of your day.
You got a lot of choices out there. Sark Steve Sarkisian.
Stop fight Urban Meyer, Stop fight Lane. Kevin's going to LSU.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
What don't we make it?
Speaker 1 (00:47):
Affairs? What do we make of Mike Tomlin Pittsburgh. Let's
not waste any time one hour from now? Where Colin
was right? Where Colin was wrong? So you heard the chance? Potentially?
Did you hear the chance in Pittsburgh as the Bills
were rolling over the Steelers fire Mike Tomlin chance? And
I feel like the last eight years the Steelers are
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the exact same team. They'll finish slightly above five hundred.
They have the bottom ten defense. They'll be better early
than November, December and January. And the quarterback plays limited
because they can't run the football and the old line
is always in crisis. That's what they are. You can
keep running through quarterbacks and left tackles and wide receivers
and drama and running backs coordinators, doesn't matter the guy
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in charge. Mike Tomlin is tone def to offense. NFL
head coaches have gotten younger, smarter, and more offensive, and
these older defensive guys Pete Carroll, Bill Belichick, Mike Tomlin,
Ron Rivera Lovey Smith, they feel outdated. And I said this,
Aaron Rodgers, go to Minnesota or retire. You're just stepping
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into Tomlin's quicksand And I would have no problem hiring
Mike Tomlin, say in Miami to stabilize the Dolphins.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
I think he'd be a really good fit there.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
But look around the league right now, who's the number
one seed in the AFC. Sean Payton offensive coach, the
Jaguars never deliver. Oh wait, now they're gonna win their
division potentially. Liam Cohen offensive coach. Sean McVeigh is number
two seed in the NFC. You know who number one is,
offensive coach Ben Johnson. I would argue Kyle Shanan's done
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a better job coaching than anybody outside of Mike ravel
this year, another offensive coach. Offensive coaches are younger, they're smarter,
they're more current.
Speaker 3 (02:36):
And I said this last week.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
Offensive coaches can fix problems in the season. Defensive guys
feel like they need an off season. And I'm sorry,
but on defense they're old. The Steelers are expensive, Darius Slay,
Jalen Ramsey, they're past their prime. They're paying a fortune
for it. They got gray beards on offense and on defense.
They took a defensive tackle instead of Jackson Dark. What
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are you doing again? No urgency? This is a criticism
I said about Pete Carroll. Do you know Smith's not
good enough? Ron Rivera said, I got to Sam Howe,
not good enough, Aaron Rodgers. Don't blame him. Look around
the league. The rules have change. These old defensive guys,
I don't have a problem with Demko Ryans, Mike McDonald.
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They're young, they're current, they're aggressive. I mean McDonald took
over for Pete Carroll an hour later. The team was
better with the same players. So the last six Super
Bowls have featured head coaches with an offensive background. Doesn't
mean you have to hire him. But yesterday, finally, finally,
the fans said enough. I mean, you hold Buffalo to
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three points at half and you get rolled and we
don't even like Buffalo this year. We don't even know
what to make up Buffalo this year. Here was a
stoic and an honest Mike Tomlin after.
Speaker 4 (04:00):
That's an awful performance by us, but it's us. We
didn't do a lot well tonight.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Obviously, May did you have a sense for how restlessly
frustrating the crowd was To Ben.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
I don't know how restless and frustrated I was, and
so I assume they were in the same state we
were in. Man, I shared their frustration tonight. Man, we
didn't do enough, and that's just reality of it.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
Yeah, the defense has been the highest paid for four years.
It's not elite. Come on now, and this is not
just me or the media or the fans. We don't
even think Buffalo's creative. Here's TJ. Watt sounding like a
shot at Tomlin the staff after the game.
Speaker 5 (04:46):
We need to find ways to be able to make plays,
and I mean I've never seen a team run the
same play as much as they ran tonight and have
as much success as they had. I mean, I'm out
of a lot of words for it. We talk about
the team that we have, we talk about everything that
we have, but right now we don't have a kick
ass defensive group.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
And that's all that I can speak on.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
I mean, you got to have it.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
Ben Johnson has been in Chicago less than a year.
They already have an identity tough, physical, run the ball
on offense. How many years are we going to watch
the Steelers struggle to figure out how to run the football.
Ben Johnson's done it in twelve thirteen weeks. Mike Vrabel,
still in a rebuild, has got that defense planet's butt
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off and not paying much for it. He can't figure
out the defense like it just doesn't work anymore. I'd
hire him maybe in Miami. Doesn't mean he's not a
good coach, and it wouldn't fit other places. But between
this ownership group, the great GM who left, the coach
who feels toned def to offense, the fans have finally
come to the realization that we have for about three
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years this is not good enough. It's just not good enough.
And All Miss wasn't good enough for Lane Kiffin. Say
what you want about Kiffin, you don't have to like him.
Harbaugh to Michigan, Kiffin to LSU. They feel big. Harball
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was controversial for years. Kiffin's going to be controversial every
four weeks. This is great for college football. There's an
attention economy in college football. Dion did it at Colorado,
put eyes on the program. He's just not the coach
Kiffin is. And this is not LSU much better program
than Colorado. And I say this to all the bitter
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people in Mississippi. I understand you're hurt, but when you
have signed up for this exit, when Kiffin got.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
There, you've been irrelevant forever. I don't think.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
I think last time you won an SEC championship was
in the sixties. Anytime you're good, you have a manning quarterback,
arch or Eli. If I'd have told you four years ago,
Lane Kiffin's going to burn you at the end'll make
you the number one offense. It'll be the best Old
Miss football team ever. Stadium's packed, everybody in the country
is looking at you. You'll feel proud to be a
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Mississippian and an Ole Miss fan.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
He'll leave you. It'll be ugly.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
You that taken it on the spot. You date the supermodel,
she dun't you? You knew it was coming. I mean
you were cheating with Hugh Freezi years ago. So you
played the game in college football. You were paying people
when you weren't supposed to pay people. Don't get too precious,
old miss. Your history was Hugh Freeze. You supported him.
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NCAA outrageous Nick Saban stopped recruiting in Mississippi with Hugh
Freeze because they were just buying players.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
So you played the game before.
Speaker 1 (07:47):
This is the game. It's an eight billion dollar industry.
I have complained for years about college football. It's boxing.
Bob aram Don King made a fortune and a handful
of boxers did, but it was unregular. That's why Dana
White shows up and the UFC dominates. Boxing gets organized.
It's got a CEO, right, It's an unregulated it's I
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said last week, it's bitcoin. You buy it, you better
know it's turbulent and you're gonna get scorched. You're gonna
have bad days, and that's college football. I don't love
I don't love leaving before the playoff. But college football's
calendar's always been weird, and college football has put up
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no boundaries or regulations on this. So the last fifty years,
all miss five times has had a ten win season.
Kiffin gave you three, and he gave you You're only
eleven win regular season. Okay, So and you got busted
for cheating years ago with Hugh Freeze, Houston, Nutt or
ed or Jeron.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
I can go through the coaches. Nobody wins there.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Kiff It not only onenty one big, and the SEC
has always had one rule, always eat or be eaten.
This was bound to happen. And you don't have to
like Kiffin, and you don't have to like the way
it looks. But he's a ladder climber and a lot
of coaches are and I get it. Nick Saban get
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out of here at Bama. USC fired him on a tarmac.
Lane Kiffen's reality is Al Davis fired him weirdly. USC
fired him strangely. You think he's losing sleep. And if
you didn't know that going in, that's a you problem. Now,
this ridiculous comment that Lane Kiffen should be allowed to
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coach at Old Miss having the LSU job. That's the
dumbest thing I've ever heard. So I don't blame Old
Miss for moving off him. I mean, that's just ridiculous.
People that say that on other networks. You've heard a
relegation in the English Premier League, you should be relegated
as an on air talent. If you're arguing that, I mean,
that's just ridiculous. That's not going to happen. I'm rooting
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for Old Miss in the playoffs. Selfishly, I wanted to
watch Lane Kiffin. I wanted to see it. I don't
think they're as good as is most teams, but I
think they could potentially beat Notre Day. And they're not
beating Ohio State. I don't think anybody's beaten Ohio State.
But come on, man, college football it's like a weird
black market economy. They don't have a CEO, they don't
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have a president. The old wild Wild West in the
eighteen hundreds when he used to have territorial governors, that's
what you have in college football. They're called conference commissioners.
All they care about is themselves. Here was Lane Kiffin after.
Speaker 6 (10:36):
This was a very challenging, difficult day. You know, We
went through a lot last night with Keith Carter trying
to figure out a way, you know, to make this
playoff you know, run work and the order to coach
the team. And at the end of the day, that's
his decision, and I totally respect that. I understand that decision,
and you know, so I just totally wish the team
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the best of the luck, wish that I was coaching,
but understand that it was a very challenging position for
him and the chance to be in, and totally respect that. So,
you know, just really really hope they play really well
and go win the national championship.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Good job by Marty Smith there, Hey, listen this idea
that Kiffin's trying.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
To direct the program.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Have any of you guys ever gotten a great job,
because when you do, you take three or four people
from your great job to the next job. It didn't
take the entire staff. He's not trying to direct the program.
He's not rooting against Old Miss, but he's now the
coach of what many coaches perceive as the best job
in college football, or at least top three. The reaction
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at that little airport in Oxford, though, I got to admit,
let's play it sound up is pretty funny. I'm sorry
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that I could watch that on a loop. I'm sorry,
but it's always remarkable to me when people get into
relationships with people who have a clear ID, who have
a clear brand. And I know Lane, I always got
along with him. Fine, he's not for everybody. I think
he's grown up. But you'd have taken him if I'd
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have told you. He's gonna burn you in the end.
But it'll be four years of bliss. You'll be the
number one offense in college football. Everybody will be talking
about you. You're gonna make the college football Playoff. You
gotta signed up for it in a heartbeat. It just
ended up like bitcoin acquisitions bumpy. You feel burned. Unregulated,
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that's what it is. Don't buy the coin if you
don't like.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
The outcome potential.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
So I an ole mess. You know you're not gonna
let him keep coaching there and have another job at LSU.
That's dumb, all right, J Mack. We got Ben Johnson
and the Chicago Bears. Are they gonna run the NFC?
How about this weekend slate of games? Bears, Packers, Thursday's Lions, Cowboys,
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even the Jags Colts is interesting. I mean it worked
out perfectly. The TV games coming up starting Thursday are
the best of the year.
Speaker 7 (13:31):
Yeah, and you got college football obviously getting crazy. Besides
the Linkiffin, I'm so you saw Pat Fitzgerald headed to
Michigan State. That's a home run higher. I mean, just
an awesome weekend in sports. So if you had a
good Thanksgiving mind with spectacular.
Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yep, same here Sunday night after the conference championships, which
I don't think are gonna last very long. I don't
think you need him anymore. They're gonna put out the
college football Playoff. I thought Notre Dame was in over
Miami for sure. Then I watched Miami hammer Pittsburgh, and
now I'm not sure. At least Miami can say we
got a great win over Notre Dame. Notre Dame can
say we've got a we beat USC. I'm telling you
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it's gonna be Razor Finn. You just gotta keep watching
the games. Sarks showing up later, so is urban Meyer.
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Speaker 1 (14:58):
You know, I was just trying to figure out what
to do when a coach is wearing his hat on
backwards in a locker room. Now I've got to process
a coach taking his shirt off in the locker room.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
But I gotta be honest.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
After the Bears went to Philly and hammered the Eagles,
I kind of like that too. Here's Ben Johnson. I
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gotta be honest. I may start doing this after the
morning meeting. I kind of like it. I mean, it
doesn't take that long. When you get the right head coach.
You get a Mike Vrabel, you get a Sean Payton,
you get a Ben Johnson, you get a Liam Cohen.
It doesn't take that long there's so much mediocrity in
so many industries. Excellence rises and it looks different. Here's
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all I know. Last year the Bears were twenty ninth
in big plays with the same quarterback, DJ Moore.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You had that too.
Speaker 1 (16:15):
Now their second my bad first, they've gotten better at everything.
Getting the right coach does not guarantee super Bowls. Most
reasonable people understand that, but it does guarantee an identity.
The Patriots have one, the Bears have one, the Jags
have one. It guarantees you'll get the most, you'll squeeze
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the most out of your roster. This is largely last
year's roster, with a better guard, center, guard combo up front.
Yet the defense now is number one in takeaways, number
two in rushing. It's not like DeAndre Swift wasn't there
last year.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
It just does.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
And take that long and you'll find a common thread.
With the really good coaches. They're hard on their player.
Sean Payton's hard on Bnicks, no pandering. Ben Jonson's hard
on Caleb, no pandering. All the friendly the friendly guy
down in Miami. I think he seems like.
Speaker 3 (17:18):
A great guy.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
I don't need hugs in pandering and kisses and rainbows
and birds chirping. Be hard on your star young quarterback,
Be hard on everybody. Demand attention. You guys get an offseason, right,
you get Mondays off, sometimes Tuesday practice games two hours three.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Be focused.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
And that's what Chicago is, not only the big picture stuff.
They're just better at what their roster allows them to
be better at. And I'll tell you this Bears team
is built for December and January because they can run
the ball. A lot of these teams, I don't know
if Jacksonville maybe they are. Some of these teams, I
don't know if they're bill for December and January.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
The Bears are.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
And it's Ben Johnson. You know, you think defensive coaches
are the tough guys Shanahan, Ben Johnson. They love to
run the football. I mean they played Philadelphia, Philly has
Saquon Barkley. They ran it seventeen times. These guys ran
at forty seven. So Ben Johnson is one of these
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new young coaches. He wants to get physical. It's an identity,
it's a toughness. It's bled on over to the defense
and Caleb Williams. Ben doesn't like that. He only completes
fifty eight percent of his throws, but he doesn't throw
picks and he's no longer getting sacked, and those are
two great qualities for a young quarterback. So this Bears
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team when they were coming back and they were beating
the Giants was a cool story. Going to Philly and
hammering the Eagles is something well above a good story.
Speaker 3 (18:58):
And here's Caleb on the w.
Speaker 8 (19:00):
Every single game that that that we want to play
and that we play, uh, it's it is to make
a statement.
Speaker 3 (19:06):
And that's just another game for us. You know, focus
on being want.
Speaker 8 (19:09):
To know each week, and you know, we keep we
keep doing that. We keep focusing on what's inside the
noise inside of the building. Honestly, it doesn't you know,
the statements and and all of that, All of that,
you know, is more more of the outside noise, more
of kind of stuff for y'all to kind of talk about,
and you know, the analysts and all the whoever to
talk about. And so you know, we'll we'll keep focusing
on ourselves.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Again, not hard to identify good coaching, and all good
coaches are tough and demanding on quarterbacks. They may stay
nice things to the press, but you watch the body language.
You watch Ben Johnson on the sideline, He's demanding. But
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you know when people say, well, I don't have a
lot to work with. We're dealing with injuries. Well, Kyle
Shanahan and Harbar are dealing with injuries. I don't even
know how the Chargers can run the ball. Got the
worst red at O line in football. I don't know
how the Niners can stop anybody. The whole team's beat
up defensively. Great coaching, you can identify it quickly. It
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is tough and demanding. And Ben Johnson, he feels like
the best hire in the NFL since Sean McVay. He
really does j Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
No, no, no, this is the herdline news.
Speaker 7 (20:28):
All right, let's go from great news for the Bears
to not great news for the Chargers. Colin la got
to win over the Raiders, but Jim Harbaugh broke the
news yesterday Justin Herbert Broke suffered a fracture in his
left hand. It's really unclear how bad this is, but
he's getting surgery today. Yeah, okay, Now he did come
in finish the game through a touchdown pass. He doesn't
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even know if he's out next week. Okay, that's how
tough this Harbaugh, Harball, Herbert Combo is like they both
think like, Okay, he might play against the Eagles, which
is a tall order. If not, it would be Trey Lance.
Speaker 3 (21:05):
For what it's worth.
Speaker 7 (21:05):
A buddy of mine was at dinner last night after
the Chargers game and ran into Herbert and his smoke
show of a girlfriend. People were coming up to Herbert.
He was in good spirits. So I mean, I'm gonna
go ahead and just say I have no idea if
he's gonna play. Chargers did look dangerous Colin last night.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Well again, it's another offensive coach who remembers Chicago. Remember
the operational problems they had in the first two weeks.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
They've cleaned him up in season.
Speaker 1 (21:30):
Remember how bad opening drives had been for Denver or
they cleaned them up in season. I mean they've Harbaugh
and Kyle Shanahan are putting on a master class. They
should not be able to run the ball all their
offensive line to disaster. Lowest ridded in the sport. But
this is what good coaching does. There. Once you have toughness,
even if you're j Mack, even if you lose stars
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toughness seeks right, It's all through the roster. You can
win a lot of love, a lot of games missing
stars or beat up if you're resilient and tough. This
is a sport of big, strong, physical men, and I
think they're just willing their way to a win.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
It's a good point about the offensive line. Remember the
Bills yesterday, right, no tackles and they rush for like
two hundred and some odd yards against the Steelers. So
running the balls huge, Now, this is a nugget going forward.
So Vidal, the backup who really had not done anything
last season. He was good yesterday. I had a long
touchdown run. They should get Hampton back next week. We
know what this team is going to be in January.
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They're running Hampton and Vidal down your throat. And if
they get a lead. Justin Herbert on third down last night,
Colin twelve of thirteen. It's easy passes, nothing deep, nothing risky.
This team is scary if they get an early lead
on you. I like the Chargers a lot. Let's go
to the next story and Sunday Night football. On paper,
kind of a week game, but it turned out to
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be kind of interestile until the end. What goes to
overtime and the Broncos get super lucky as Nick Benito
bats down what should have been a walk in down
for Jeremy Nichols in Washington, Mariota didn't totally read it well,
didn't lob it up high enough. Here's Sean Payton after
the game when he was asked about escaping.
Speaker 10 (23:11):
I'm sure both teams, when we look at the film,
probably did some things we didn't want to do. But
those guys came out and fought hard. So did our guys,
and you know we made a play at the end.
That was the difference. We don't escape. We won.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
The journey of a.
Speaker 10 (23:29):
Good team season involved games like this and then you
believe you can do it again.
Speaker 3 (23:37):
Let me let me defend Denver here.
Speaker 1 (23:39):
Okay, all right, now, the season seventeen games, so we
all acknowledged the first game of the year doesn't even matter.
Raiders meet the Patriots, you start playing well. Great examples
the Rams. Stafford had thirty touchdowns and two picks. Do
you think he was gonna end up with forty touchdowns
and three picks? Eventually you travel out east, you get
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caught flat footed. Carolina has to win off a Niners loss,
and all of a sudden, the Rams defense doesn't have
a ton of energy and you're Denver won the game. Okay,
Denver is a number one seed. They're not gonna play
with the same intensity. All those guys know Washington's on
a backup quarterback. When you have a seventeen game season.
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This is not college football, as you well know, where
you have advantages with athletes. These are all pro players,
and so I'm watching that game.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
It could have gone either way.
Speaker 1 (24:29):
But I'll tell you, I don't think it's a coincidence
that Sean Payton and Ben Johnson win all these close games,
or Andy Reid did last year. They are very good
at several things. They were just bad defensively by their
standards last night. The Rams were bad yesterday by their standards.
Bryce Young fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 7 (24:47):
Yeah, I mean listen the one score games eight and two.
You saw this dat on the screen five and zero
when trailing in the fourth. We can say that's intestinal
fortitude and toughness and smart. Well, you know what, the
Chiefs last year unbelievable in one score games. This year,
wouldn't you know it? They can't win any of them.
They're really struggling in one score games. So this stuff
kind of goes back and forth. You have to admit
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the ball is bouncing their way a lot. Yeah, and Colin,
I cannot wait to see who they play if they
get the two season. I think we think but the
Patriots will probably be the one because of the schedule.
If they play.
Speaker 3 (25:19):
Buffalo, I'm taking Denver.
Speaker 7 (25:22):
I'm taking well, we had to hit on that one.
If they play the could they play the Ravens. I
don't know if the Ravens could could get the wild
card because that division is kind of wonky right now.
We'll see. I don't know if the Chiefs play Denver
round three? Are you taking Denver? I just I think
we need to pump the brakes on how dominant this
team is. Enjoy it while it lasts. I see you grinning.
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You know the story here like this is not a
great football Dee've got it play.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
I mean, everybody keeps telling me the Bears aren't that
good and the Broncos aren't that good.
Speaker 7 (25:52):
They keep winning, they do, they do, they are. Let
the good times roll, right, final story, Colin, let's go
back to Thanksgiving. You know we totally nailed this game
on Friday or on Wednesday, Sorry, Packers would beat the Lions.
Jordan Love would be incredible, Christian Watson would be amazing.
But what I didn't anticipate with these high leverage downs
green Bay two touchdowns on fourth down.
Speaker 11 (26:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 7 (26:15):
Meanwhile, the Lions, they just cannot get this fourth down
thing right all of a sudden. And here's Dan Campbell. Well, no, actually,
here's Jordan Love talking about the excitement about the Packers win.
Speaker 12 (26:27):
I think be able to go out there on fourth
down and execute and make some big time plays is
really the difference in that game right there. So you know,
that's what it comes down to, is just going out
there excuting and those got to have the plays. And
we made plays to night everybody. I mean, we're staying aggressive.
You know, we got a chance to go out there
in ice a game, you know, not even give them
a chance to get the ball back, and we stayed aggressive,
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and I love it.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
We made plays right there. Let me say this, Green
Bay's offense was broken three weeks ago. It was we
both said it's broken. One of their young offensive coach
he fixed it in season. Pittsford can't do that. So,
and the other thing I'm taking in this game is
and there were some really weak officiating both sides.
Speaker 7 (27:09):
It was now you all weekend it.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
Was yeah green Bay.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
I'm not going green Bay deserves to win. But it's
funny if I told you there was this quarterback in
Green Bay, tall, athletic, big arm, highly aggressive, never throws picks,
You'd be like, WHOA can people finally acknowledge Jordan Loves
really talented to go into that environment.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
I mean every trait. I like everything he does.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
I like when you get upside and he doesn't throw
a lot of picks.
Speaker 3 (27:40):
I mean, I think the kid is You got to
give Green Bay credit.
Speaker 1 (27:43):
When he came out of Utah State, he did not
have a good final year in college, and my sources
were totally mixed on him. They were like some just
were not into it, way reckless, way loose. This kid
has been coached hard, coached fairly. He is a tremendous player.
Speaker 7 (28:01):
Yeah, there's a stat that the gamblers like EPA per play,
Jordan Love is the number one quarterback in that by
some margin over Drake.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
Man, tell people what that means.
Speaker 7 (28:11):
Well, expected points added for every single play, great, every
single play and Jordan Love. I know it's no risk
at no biscuits sometimes with him, but Colin, if you
look at the numbers, he is shredding when it matters most.
And I will add this, they did lose Tucker's draft obviously,
that's a big, huge law.
Speaker 13 (28:26):
Hey.
Speaker 7 (28:26):
By the way, you know who's coming back, Matthew Golden.
You know who else is coming back, Jayden Reid and
Christian Watson looks healthy. Colin, this offense, I said it wednesday.
I was like, listen, if you think the Packers can
go to the super Bowl, bet them now. I think
they're the best team in the NFC. I know that
sounds crazy, but that defense. Did you see the Detroit
had ten plays stopped at the line of scrimmage or
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behind it. Micah Parsons and those stunts. Now losing Wyatt
their defensive tackle, that's a big loss because he's excellent.
But I do think Green Bay, if you look like
you think you have the rams still coming out of
the NFC right well.
Speaker 1 (29:00):
I mean I don't take anything from the loss yesterday.
I think Green Bay three weeks ago, I think we
both said on the air their offense is broken. But
these young offensive coaches do a much better job of
fixing things than these old defensive coaches. And I thought
that was an impressive win. Again, I thought it was
an egregiously officiated game, but I'm not gonna say that's
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why they won their work. I mean, at one point
somebody grabbed I think it was Christian Watson's arm was grabbed,
and yeah, gall it it was blatant missed by the
official staring at it. So I green Bay's a really
well coached, smartly quarterbacked team that added the guy they
needed to an elite pass rusher. Because what Green Bay
has been leading games in the fourth quarter for thirty years,
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Rarely of that Reggie White closed wins. This is another guy.
Micah closes the door. He's there, Mario on Rivera. He'll
close out a lead, you know, with the you need
twelve pitches left, Yeah, Burl.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Click on the Lions, Colin. It looks like they're probably
gonna miss the playoffs. We said in the offseason losing
Ben Johnson would be massive. We look like idiots for
like seven weeks. How about now we weren't wrong, We
were just early. I'm just telling you, Lions, I'm in
Ross Saint Brown's gonna be out a couple weeks now.
They were thrown to a guy who played lacrosse I
think six months ago. I don't know what's going on
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with the Lions. They're in trouble as they can't run
the ball.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
Jmack with the News, Well.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
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Speaker 1 (30:26):
First of all, Philadelphia Circle in the drain the Dallas Cowboys.
I think we all have to write apology letters to
Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:36):
We'll talk about that net.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 7 (30:45):
The first time in conference history, number one and number
two collide in the Big Ten title Game. Heisman hopefuls
collide as Julian Sayan leads Number one Ohio State against
Fernando Mendoza and number two Indiana. Coverage begins Saturday six
thirty Eastern on fives.
Speaker 1 (31:04):
Let me ask you this something about this game. Let
me ask you Ohio State doesn't need to win. I'm honestly,
they just played in Michigan. I don't think they'll have
a letdown, but the game could mean more to Indiana.
I don't think conference championships are going to be around long.
I think the playoff eliminates the need. We both know
Indiana and Ohio State are top twelve teams.
Speaker 3 (31:26):
We know it.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
It's the one's got a great offense, one's got a
great defense and a pretty good offense. So I like
that game. I'm gonna watch it. I'm really interested. But
you know, I look at that and I think to myself,
I think Ohio State's better. And if Ohio State hadn't
played Michigan, I think they'd win, maybe convincingly. But it's
a college football now has changed a lot. It's a
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lot closer to the NFL, where not every game at
the end of the season matters if you've already qualified
for the playoffs. I'm fascinated to watch the Hoosiers in
Ohio State, but beating Michigan, and that's the key to it,
and they did.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (32:03):
Sometimes you sell a nice house, really nice house, and
you buy another house because it fits your family. Now,
the people who bought your old nice house, they really
needed that house more than you did. And it doesn't
mean you don't respect them or that you didn't like
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the house. But they are just different times in a
family's life. Not having kids, you can live one place.
Now you got a bunch of kids. You got to
live in a good school district. That to me was
Owa's the Micah Parsons trade. Dallas loved Micah, but the
players around him weren't good enough, and Jerry Jones needed flexibility.
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I said this during the Mica trade, and I felt
like I was on an island. Yes, it's good for
green Bay. It's great for Dallas too. They got the
infrastructure of the house they needed for their family. They
were atrocious defensively and agreed just lea bad against the
run and signing Micah.
Speaker 3 (33:03):
It wasn't gonna save that or change that.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
But getting Quinnon Williams and Kenny Clark and still two
first round picks, they have flexibility and are now a
really good defense with the Marvin Overshown healthy. They're still
top two in the NFL in pressures without Micah, and
now they're great against the run. The Cowboys are a
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better football team without Micah. Doesn't mean you don't love
the house. It didn't provide what you needed in the moment.
Green Bay's a team with a powerful offense that needed
a closer. Micah was great for him and is great,
and MICA's still a great player, but Dallas wasn't leading
a lot of games because they couldn't.
Speaker 3 (33:48):
Stop the run.
Speaker 1 (33:49):
And Jerry Jones, you know, it's funny if you took
out the teams and you took out the names of
the people involved, and you just said, there's this general manager.
He stole this star receiver for a third round pick.
He guy's like a pro bowler, and he got Quinn Williams,
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Kenny Clark. He took this atrocious defense and made it excellent,
and he's still got two first round picks. You'd be like,
who was it, Howie Roseman, No, it's Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
You just don't like Jerry.
Speaker 1 (34:21):
Jerry Jones was on radio this week saying how badly
he wanted Quinn Williams then of the Jets before the
deal was.
Speaker 13 (34:30):
Made, actually tried to trade actually for Williams. I wanted
a one and parsons for Williams, A one ten parsons
for Williams. I thought that much of Williams. And he's
showing him what he can do for a defense.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
So you know, it's just funny. Jerry took a lot
of heat. Remember he said to the Wall Street Journal,
there's one hundred billion present you with gas out there,
and that's why I'm talking to you on the telephone
rather than trying to fix our defense.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
Took a lot of heat for that.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
Well, people freaked out, But it looks like Jerry Jones
being distracted and neglected, neglecting the cowboys. He fixed the
defense and made a hundred billion dollars in natural gas.
You know, I mean, we got to be fair in
this business, Jerry to me. For years it was becoming
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kind of mom and pop. But the George Pickens deal,
the Quinn Williams deal, it takes guts to move off Micah,
who was beloved by fans. But they're a better team
without Micah because deal makers need flexibility. This is a
team that couldn't pay eight million dollars to get Derek
Henry a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3 (35:45):
Deal Makers Jeff.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
Bezos at Amazon doesn't need more money, he needs flexibility.
Elon Musk doesn't need more money. Flexibility that's Jerry. Jerry's
got plenty of money. What Jerry needed was the ability
cap space to make moves and improved the entire roster,
and they have done that. This was a bad run defense.
Now it's excellent. Your eyes are not deceiving you. They
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beat Kansas City. They were the better team than Kansas City.
All right. Philadelphia is a mess and a talented mess.
But the Bears beat him in Philly, and they don't
have any identity right now. The Eagles offense with a
good old line, tight end, star receiver Saquon Barkley, Jalen
Hurts yards per game twenty fourth, third down percentage near
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the bottom of the league, three and out percentage worse
in the league. Punts tied for twenty nine. So and
they didn't just get ugly in the last couple of weeks.
They've been completely uneven since the first week. They have
had an offensive identity crisis for about seventy five to
eighty percent of Nick Sirianni's tenure. So, and I've said
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this about Nick Sirianni. He's not an elite scheme coach
like Dan Campbell in Detroit. You can argue he's a
good culture coach. He's good in the locker room, although
that sometimes sounds like she's got a great personality. But
He's not a great scheme coach, so it's much harder
for him than it is like a McVeigh, a Shanahan
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of Ben Johnson or a Matt Lafleur to fix something
in season. He did it that one year because he
just gave up the play calling to a really good
coach who now leads the Colts, Shane Stikeen. But it
does feel like an unsolvable problem because part of being
a great coach is constantly tweaking. Chargers lose both offensive tackles.
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Niners lose Fred Warner Bosa in their first round pick.
It's not just August to January. You have to constantly tweak.
And we've seen these issues since Week one, and they're
not tweaking them.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
Because they can't.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
The GM has shown an ability in an off season
to tweak. It's interesting. I think Nick Sirianni feels almost
like a defensive coach. It's about brute strength, be aggressive,
have a vibe, be tough. What they need is tweaking
Green Bay three weeks ago, broken offense, Green Bay now
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Super Bowl contender. You gotta constantly tweak. It's been since
Week one, it's been a mess. So I just look
around this league right now, and it's very rare when
you can get a coach like Ben Johnson who is
not only a CEO and a culture builder, but good
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with schematics. That's McVeigh Shanahan. I think Brabel's pretty good
at that. But there's no easy answer. Everybody wants them
to move off the offensive coordinator.
Speaker 3 (38:58):
He's not McVeigh. Who's calling play who here's Nick Sirian.
Speaker 11 (39:03):
We're not changing the play caller, but we will evaluate everything.
I have confidence in the entire group. Again, I know
it will keep coming back to Kevin. But again, if
I thought it was one thing, then you make those changes.
Obviously it's a lot of different things. But yeah, I
don't think it is the you know, Kevin.
Speaker 1 (39:26):
I'll give you an example. Remember when the Rams earlier
this season, Puka Nakua got banged up and they had
all sorts of injuries. They literally mid season went to
thirteen personnel. Let's play three tight ends. Caught everybody off guard.
That's tweaking. That is modern coaching. So and Lafleur solving
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a broken offense, that's real coaching. God, the Bears early
in this season couldn't get the basics down the operational
stuff they do now. So the Eagles are zero and
four when Saquon Barkley gets thirteen carries or few they
face the Bears. Chicago runs at forty seven times, Eagles
run at seventeen with that whole line. So I don't
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think these are solvable.
Speaker 3 (40:09):
Maybe, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:11):
I love the defense, and there are teams that are
just better on one side of the ball than the other.
But this league, the coaching is younger, it's smarter, and
you got to be a little bit of a psychologist
and a therapist and a doctor that makes home visits.
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Got problems to solve. And this has been around since
week one. They still can't solve it. So j Mack,
people keep talking about how good is Denver in Chicago?
Here's my question, how good's Philadelphia if they can't solve
their offense.
Speaker 7 (40:46):
Yeah, I think you mentioned this before. Some teams peak early.
Did the Eagles maybe peak a little bit early? I
saw a weird stat that since Nakobe Dean, they're good.
Linebacker from Georgia came back. Jihad Campbell, who has been
unbelievable this season, is barely playing. He didn't play one
defensive snap against the Bears, who ran the ball down
their throat, and I'm like, you know that maybe thing.
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You know, they're just going through a tough transitional time.
I think they'll be okay. There's still a dangerous team
obviously with Hertz and that defense. But you're right, that
was a bad eye opening loss.
Speaker 1 (41:19):
All right, Matt Hasselback, Colin Wright, Colin wrong, both Steve
Sarkesian and Urban Meyer stop by big story of the weekend.
You could have argued Lane Kiffin kind of blowing up
the SEC going to LSU.
Speaker 3 (41:35):
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Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
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Are You A Charlotte?
In 1997, actress Kristin Davis’ life was forever changed when she took on the role of Charlotte York in Sex and the City. As we watched Carrie, Samantha, Miranda and Charlotte navigate relationships in NYC, the show helped push once unacceptable conversation topics out of the shadows and altered the narrative around women and sex. We all saw ourselves in them as they searched for fulfillment in life, sex and friendships. Now, Kristin Davis wants to connect with you, the fans, and share untold stories and all the behind the scenes. Together, with Kristin and special guests, what will begin with Sex and the City will evolve into talks about themes that are still so relevant today. "Are you a Charlotte?" is much more than just rewatching this beloved show, it brings the past and the present together as we talk with heart, humor and of course some optimism.