December 3, 2025 • 41 mins
Fox Sports college football analyst Joel Klatt joins the show to discuss the playoff rankings and Lane Kiffin’s shocking decision to leave Ole Miss for LSU
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well what a wild, wild conclusion. I mean, at least
now we have a college football playoff of twelve teams.
We didn't like when the computers did it, we didn't
like when the media selected it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We don't like.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
The Randoh arbitrary committee doing it. But at least a
playoff will be great when we figure out who's in
and who's out. Right now, Notre Dame's in, Miami and
Texas are out. Just head to head. Matter in Oklahoma
got thumbed by Texas and m got thumbed by Texas.
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Vandy got thumbed by Texas. Texas was willing to play
Ohio State and Columbus lost close.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
They didn't get in.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And I mean Texas plays in the SEC where you
know I always hear about bad losses. Miami lost to SMU.
SMU be Clemson in Miami. They're not that bad. They're
eight and four. They went to the playoff last year.
The game was in Dallas. They're not that bad. So
the Louisville loss stunk. And for Texas, I guess the
Florida loss is bad. But man, Texas had a lot
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of quality wins.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I just.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know, I'm somebody that I look at your schedule
and give me quality wins. I don't think bad losses
should be the be all end all. The Rams just
lost to the Panthers. I just think we've asked college
kids now to play more and more and more and
more games. You're gonna have a stinker. Rams defense week stunk,
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and we know they're great and Miami. You know, Texas
went and played an SEC team in Gainesville and got
beat Remember last year Lane Kiffatt took a good team
to Gainesville and lost.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I lose it at Gainesville's.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
To me, it's an SEC team, it's ninety thousand people,
it's allowed to stadium collegiately.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I've ever been to with that.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Joel Klatt who called Ohio State Michigan, they'll be calling
Ohio State Indiana. He's getting some good games, so I
guess this is we both love this sport. I guess
I guess where I feel bad. So Miami's going we
beat them head to head.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, and Texas is going we beat three top teams.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And the Committee's like, well, Notre Dame didn't really have
a quality win, but they had no bad losses. I
don't know if that's how we should measure greatness. I
like Notre Dame as a program shouldn't. Doesn't Miami have
a real case here?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Of course?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Of course, of course Miami has a real case and
Texas has a real case.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And there's so many ways to go.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Let me, let me just start with, like, the problem
is obviously the format obviously right, because we're trying to
have this selection based playoff, and it doesn't matter if
you have computers do it or people do it. Like
it's subjective and there's no way that you can rank
the criteria, or or at least they don't rank the
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criteria and tell us which one is going to take
precedent over the other. So there's all different types of criteria.
You can take a head to head criteria or resume criteria,
the eye test criteria, did you get to a conference
championship game, what did your schedule look like in particular
in the non conference, And yet we don't rank those
So what value does any of those criteria actually have
towards the ranking. Well, we don't know, and I think
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that's the arbitrary nature of it is what's frustrating. I've
argued for a long time that we need to define
the path you see, like for instance, in every other sport,
always in forever, what do we do to break tiebreakers?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Colin?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
The first one is head to head always, always, And
so here's the thing with Notre Dame. I don't think
they're just in. I know that they're not going to
play another game in Miami is not going to play
another game, But but they have this buffer that is BYU.
And so if you actually play this out, I think
Notre Dame is actually more likely to miss the playoff
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than make the playoff.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And here's why.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
If BYU wins in the Big twelve championship game and
beats Texas Tech, they get an automatic spot. And there's
almost no scenario where Tech falls behind Notre Dame. Therefore,
Notre Dame would fall fall out. Now if BYU loses
to Texas Tech, maybe similar fashion to the way they
lost already this year when they played Tech twenty nine
to seven. It was a dominant victory for the Red Raiders.
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Wouldn't BYU almost assuredly, just fall maybe one spot or
two spots in the rankings behind Miami, which then would
promote a direct comparison with what we're talking about, two
teams right next to each other, same record, with the
head to head result. So I think Notre Dame's actually
in a really precarious spot right now.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I listen, I you know me, I like big brands.
I want Notre Dame in Miami and Texas all in right, like,
that's what I'm rooting for.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I think Texas is cooked. I don't see the way
they get in I know, but it didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Unbelievable beat Oklahoma like a drum dominated, bandy dominated and
they lose to Ohio State by seven. From that point forward,
Ohio State won by an average of thirty one. That
the only team that played a super close game in
Columbus four new offensive linemen, and you're like, best college
defense probably either one of us has seen in half
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a decade, and they lose by a touchdown and Texas
didn't play well, and you're like, I don't know. Like, listen,
they don't match out with Georgia. They just don't that happens.
They don't match up with Georgia. Let me ask you this,
Indiana scheduled a week at a conference schedule right now,
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they'd have a buye.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
What if Indiana gets smoked?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
What if it is thirty eight seventeen and it looks
like the Indiana Notre Dame game last year? What if
Indiana gets smoked? What happens to them? I don't think
they fall out of by territory. And the reason is
that Oregon will act as a buffer. Remember they beat Oregon,
so like Oregon is their floor. So even if they
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fall down with what they've done this year, they're probably
still going to remain in the top four.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Even if they were to get now, I don't think
they'll get smoked. I think that's a very good and
complete team. Now, did they play a soft non conference?
There's no doubt that they played a soft non conference.
But I don't see a situation where either the loser
of the Big Ten championship game, Ohio State or Indiana
falls out of a position where they're getting a buye
in the first round of the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Okay, what if, okay, Bama went to Georgia. I mean, honestly,
one of the most perfect game plans I've ever seen.
They beat Georgia in Athens. They were flawless, one of
the best habs of football played by anybody this year.
What if Georgia beats them? And by the way, George
and Kirby Smart don't beat Alabama much like it that
you talk about a matchup. Georgia doesn't beat Bama. Texas
doesn't beat Georgia. What if Bama gets smacked? Can they
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get knocked out? I think possibly?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Although the history and the president from the committee last
year was that they weren't going to penalize teams for
losing conference championship games. And we saw that when SMU
lost to Clemson, you remember, and Clemson got the automatic berth.
But then SMU stayed in the College Football Playoff. They
went to Penn State and lost in the first round.
So President would tell you that this committee is going
to value conference championship games and not not knock a
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team for losing that. Now here's let me just say
this sake of argument, let's just pull ourselves out thirty
thousand foot view for a moment, because that would suggest
that this committee is trying to protect or value conference
championship games. And I would make the argument that in
college football for the last ten in twenty years, we
have done a really poor job of trying to protect
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and value things that are obviously going to die, like
amateurism and bowl games, for example. These are things that
obviously don't fit in what's going to happen in the
future of our sport. And the fact that they didn't
move off of amateurism early led to the chaos that
we have now with the transfer portal and the revenue share.
The fact that they won't move off of bowl games
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gives us a regular season and then playoff that leaks
into the NFL playoffs that leaks into the transfer portal
late into January. So we're not nimble in college football.
And if you protect a conference championship game, the writing
is on the wall Colin these games are being devalued.
There's no reason to protect those. So if Bamba were
to get smacked, I could see a situation where, depending
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on what happens in the BYU Texas second game, they
get in, maybe Miami gets in, and maybe you know,
they take another look at Texas in that regard. But
I do think that we need to start putting the
right value in the right spots. I think that we
need to start talking about defining the path to the
playoff rather than having a selection based committee playoff. These
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things would be better for the sport. Not to get
two long winded, but just for an example, just for
an example, imagine this weekend. If we had a play
in weekend and this didn't live in a committee room,
but it lived on the field where we had based
on where you finished in your conference, automatic bursts per conference,
maybe four each for the big guys SEC and Big ten,
maybe two each for the ACC and the Big twelve.
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And then you would get matchups this weekend colin like
Texas at Texas A and m winner goes to the playoff,
BYU Utah winner goes to the playoff, Miami Duke winner
goes to the playoff. So we would be able to say, hey, listen,
rather than just sitting there and watching your TV and
seeing if a committee puts you in, you control your
own fate. Go play a football game for sixty minutes
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and if you can win that game, then you're going
to go on into a fourteen team playoff. That's what
I would do, But no one's making me commissioner yet.
If you've got that power, please do so.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
If I was commissioner, I would say head to head
one quality wins two. That to me should be It
would clarity would be pretty easy. I mean, Texas would
be in Notre Dame. Would not be like head to
head matters quality. Because I want better scheduling, I would
take it away from at large.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I just don't.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I don't like this idea that we're just like selecting teams. Now,
even if you define the criterion valued them as you're
saying in a particular order, that would help. That would
certainly help. I would just rather put it on the field.
I would rather have a play in weekend. A play
in weekend with fourteen teams would create more value at
the top because there would only be two buys. So
you're really creating a top end incentive for those teams
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to play hard late into the season, the best teams
in the country, and more access and control at the bottom.
You know That's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, I got three things, though I'm going to get
to Penn State Lane Kiffin before I do that. I
could see Ryan Day wants them in every game, but
the conference championship, for like Ohio State, means nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't want guys hurt.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
My takeaway is and I also, I'm going to have
to play somebody I don't want them seeing, you know,
I want them to have to go back eight games
to find some of my tricks. I could see Ohio
State saying, you know, any player that's kind of banged up,
you're not playing and kind of doing a vanilla playbook,
and then they lose. Because if I'm the bottom line
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is if I beat Michigan and winning Natty, nobody gives
a rip about Indiana. You beat Michigan, you win a Natty.
So I guess my question is is it possible we're
going to get a really flat, uninspired Buckeye team this weekend.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I don't think so, because they've been business like the
entire year. It didn't matter if we saw him at
you know, I saw him play Rutgers, I saw him
play Illinois, and they were the same every single week.
And I feel like we're going to get the same
business like approach from the Buckeyes. Let's also keep in
mind this is a program. None of these players have
won a Big Ten title. This is not like old
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hat for Ohio State. We might feel like that because
we've seen Ohio State of recent vintage, but this program
hasn't won a Big Ten title since twenty twenty. They're
gonna want to go out there and put their best
foot forward. There's also more on the line when you
think about the Heisman Trophy. Julian Sayin's gonna have to
play well in order to win the game in order
to win the Heisman Trophy. So I still think that
there's a lot on the line. The number one seed
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overall in the playoff is going to be beneficial. You'd
rather play the number four team in the country in
the semi final than the number two or three team
in the semi final. So all of those things I
think will be incentive for them to go put their
best foot forward.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Okay, let's get to Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Listen, I've said don't marry the rock star and be
shocked when he says I got to go on tour
for a couple of months. Yeah, Ole Miss would have
signed up for where they're at today five years ago. Sure,
number one offense in the country, eleven wins, but he's
going to burn you on the way out. Ole Miss
would have.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Signed up for that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
So I don't have when you go into business or
you go into a relationship, as long as you get
full disclosure. And it was on Lane Kevin. I don't
have a lot of sympathy for Old Miss. They benefited
just like everybody that hires Lane does. Your offense gets better,
you get talked about, there's controversy and social media. I mean,
I guess the whole thing doesn't bother me as much
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as it probably bothers everybody else, does it?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Well, you, I just.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Everything that you said is correct, nothing you said is
wrong there. Yeah, I mean he's got the five messiest
exits in maybe football history. I mean, think about it,
Al Davis with the overhead projector you got the Tennessee debacle.
He's left on the tarmac and usc Saban told him
to chick Rocks before the National Championship game and now
here at Old Miss. So everything that you're saying, yes,
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if you're Old Miss again, Ole Miss, the program, the administration,
I'm sure that this is kind of like, yeah, maybe
this was always in the cards, or certainly we could
expect this. But I think of it not from the
old miss perspective, and I think of it from the
player's perspective. If you're one of those players and you're
sitting in the meetings in August in early September and
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they're talking about team first and committing and let's go
achieve something and here are our team goals, well he
just left that team and they are going to field
spurred and trust me, Like you're seeing articles out there
where some of these players are are pushing back on
this narrative that Lane, you know, wanted to coach and
they wanted him to coach, and they're like, no, you know,
we feel pretty betrayed by Lane Kiffen and rightly, so listen,
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I don't begrudge this man his movement. And he's going
to go, and he thought LSU was going to be
a better opportunity for he and his family, you know,
more power to him, But that doesn't mean that there
are not consequences to those decisions. And he did leave
a team high and dry, and he left those players
high and dry. That's going to hurt his credibility moving forward,
and he also went to a place that, let's face
it is not as sound foundationally. They might have more resources,
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but it's certainly a lot more crazy at LSU. It's like, listen,
you know you can go with a six to prom
and that six is going to be committed to you.
You take the nine, she might be crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
All right, that's a good way to put it. Okay,
you and I did not like Penn State. They did
not like you and I didn't like Penn State abruptly
canning James Franklin. Well, now what's happened is the power
brokers who run this sport, the agents are freezing out
Penn State and they have like the recruiting class. I'm
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surprised they haven't called me. They are not recruiting anybody
like like there. Montana is gonna have a better recruiting
class more than Penn State. So I what do you
think happens?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
It's a good job.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
It's a good job, but unfortunately for them, and then
I know that people involved it has been mismanaged. I
think that they had a plan when they fired James Franklin,
and I think that that plan involved Kurt Signetti and
Kurt Signetty was like, Nope, that ain't That ain't my bag.
And once that happened, then they were behind the eight
and now they've gotten passed up by these other programs.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So I think here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I think that Penn State went after Kloni Sataki pretty hard,
and Crumble Cookie came in and said, our cookies are
delicious and they're making a lot of money. And no,
and if you don't know that, the Crumble Cookie guy
is a BYU guy and he came in with a
lot of it.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It's a big meme and it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
So now I think that there's probably a couple of
guys that they're still in talks with and trying to get.
I think Brian dave Ball is still in play. I
think Jeff Brahm at Louisville is still in play. And
the fact that it hasn't happened yet. And today, by
the way, is National Signing Day Early signing day. Players
can recruits can sign to your school today, and Penn
State doesn't have a coach, which is wild. It speaks
to the possible mismanagement of what's going on, or at
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least it's going off the rails and they don't have
a coach, which also leads me to believe that something
is up their sleeve. Colin, I think that they are
targeting a coach that is still playing this week.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And if you just.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Go process of elimination, this is not information that I've
heard from anybody. If process of elimination, you think, well,
Kirby's not going anywhere. Sataki told him no, Joey Maguire's
not going anywhere. Both guys in the American at two
Lane in North Texas some are all and Eric Morris
they already have a place to go. Is it Tony
Elliott at Virginia possibly, Manny Diaz at at Duke possibly,
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or is it Kaylin de Boor at Alabama? I think
that they might be going after a guy that is
coaching this week, which is why it's bleeding into the
signing day.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Caylin de Boor, by the way, is a Midwest guy.
Isn't he got has started in South Dakota? How about
that again?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
I haven't No one's told me that officially, but I
if you just play that out, like, why do you
not have a coach yet?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
He's got to still be coaching that's clet That's pretty
good closure right there. You just went Mariano Rivera on us.
That was a pretty good clothes right.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Cut her in on the hands.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Just okay, Well, I'm gonna enjoy the games you have Indiana,
Ohio State. I like Ohio State. Man, you're getting good games.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You love it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Did you get a job promotion here at the company
they're giving you good games?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:17):
No, they said that I've been I've been doing a
good job on these hits. So this is it's reward
for doing a good job here. Joe Clat good thing.
See you, brother, that's interesting. I think Klein de Bor
is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think Bama's you know, everybody's banging on. He's not
coaching the Savan Bama teams. You understand Saban left Bama, right.
You think it's because of age, but you watch Saban
on TV. He's still funny as ever. Energy's unbelievable. White
Saban get out. I said this about four years ago.
He played Sark when the nil started, about four years ago,
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whatever it was, he played Sark, and Sark had all
that Texas money and Saban's no dummy. Remember he started
complaining publicly. He looked at A and M and the Longhorns.
That's Texas money. I mean, Texas is the Bentley Alabama
money is a glove compartment in a Kia. You're talking
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Texas money. Saban played Texas and went I got no
interest going toe to toe with the Aggies and the
Longhorns bags of money. So Saban's like, exit stage right.
Caitlin de Boord takes it. Everybody's like, well, he's not
as good. He doesn't have the players. When you watch
Bama played Georgia this weekend, George's got more good players.
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If Ohio State played Bama, Ohio skates out much better players.
I think Texas has better players. So and I think
Greg Burn the ad hired the right guy. But you know,
it's really unfair to say, well, I mean this guy.
This guy's an unbelievable coach. I just root for great coaching.
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That guy's a great coach.
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Speaker 1 (20:43):
I'm telling you that that Cowboys Lions game. Jerry Jones
has had a great last nine months from April twenty fourth,
when the draft started, until today.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Tyler Booker fall pick first round.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Looks like a tremendous interior offensive lineman. The Micah trade,
the Quinn Williams move acquisition in the Micah trade at
Kenny Clark. Now, Demarvian overshown is healthy. You know Dallas
right now, it's number two in the NFL and pressures.
They're better without Micah. For everybody that said, oh Dallas crazy,
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they rushed the passer better than they did previously. Why
because their run defense is better, forcing teams to have
to throw on third and five plus yards obvious passing
down so you can pin your ears back Micah was
not good against the run.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
He's bad against the run.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So I love Mica at Green Bay, but I loved
Micah and Dallas getting leverage and flexibility moving on, So
you say what you want. Jerry Jones had a great
nine months, still got two first round picks. The Quinn
Williams move has transformed the defense. Getting Kenny Clark. Yeah,
when Micah was there, and this is before they paid
him the big money, the run defense was atrocious. The
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overall defense was bad. You could have issues like you
can the Rams won a Super Bowl without good safeties.
You can have issues on the back end of your
defense because remember December and January football, Miami Dolphins had
Waddle and Tyreek Hill. How they do in December and January.
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What you can't have is a bad run game. Dallas
last couple of years with Micah was bad against the run,
and so by getting Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark, they're
great against the run, forcing teams to now have to
pass on Dallas's terms, not their terms. So it's okay.
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Not every divorce is one sided. Sometimes both people do
really really well. Green Bay upgraded, Dallas upgraded, much more flexibility,
and we haven't even seen their two picks yet. I
keep thinking they're gonna get in an edge rusher. Well,
they're getting quarterback in the pressure. Now, just draft a
bunch of Ohio State guys. That's my remedy to fix
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your defense. Go take a couple of puck guys. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
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Speaker 7 (23:13):
All right, We're going to your Bears. They're in your backyard.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You love you some.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Ben Johnson, remember when he got the Bears head coaching job,
Colin he was talking a little bit of smack, said
he kind of enjoyed beating Matt Lafleur twice a year
while running the offense for the Lions. Well, Ben Johnson, Hey,
don't let your mouth write checks at your butt. Can't
cash Colin big one this weekend. Ben Johnson's Bears against
the Lafleur's defense.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Here's Johnson talking about the matchup.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
They're all over the field, and so we've got a
tall task here at hand. And then when you combine
it with the scheme, I think Hathley does a great
job of making it simple for them and yet to
the offense, it can seem fairly complex, and those guys
just go out and they play really really fast, and
that's what shows up all over the tape.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
By the way, he didn't compliment the offense. He's an
offensive guy. He gave all the love to the defense.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Yeah, so are you still surprised that this is six
and a half?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This line, I'm one of my bets of the week.
Is a very close game. I think green Bay at
home probably wins, but six and a half points.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
So it is interesting when the sometimes the Packers they've
had a couple letdowns.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Remember that Panthers game is like, what's what's.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Going on with Cleveland game?
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (24:25):
What are Cleveland and the Panthers not good football teams?
I know the Panthers are seven and six, but you
know what I'm talking about now when they play the
cream of the crop, Packers rise up.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I'm very curious. Listen, we know what the Bears want
to do. They want to run the football and get
a lead.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
Right, you can be able to do that against his
Packers defense.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Look at the numbers here, Colin. They don't give up anything.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Mike up Parsons probably second best defensive point.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
What's your best game? What's your best bet on the
board this week.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
I can't give that out on a Wednesday. Come on, dog,
you gotta wait for it.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
I will say. I'm on the opposite side of you here.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
I did bet the Packers six and a half. They're
a great teaser leg, you know, the six point teaser.
But I think the Packers hand a little truth theorem
to your boys.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Oh yeah, that's what I heard at Philadelphia. That was
gonna be truth serum.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
I didn't say that somebody.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Keep drinking the serum and then get sick.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
All right, Let's move on to a college football and
the Old Miss saga.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
How about this one?
Speaker 8 (25:18):
So offensive coordinator Charlie Weiss junior, Yeah, he left Ole
Miss with Lane to go to LSU, but he is
going to call plays for Old Miss during the college
football playoffs. Obviously they wanted to Ole Miss made some concessions.
They want to make sure they host the first round game.
You know, they didn't want any of that FSU stuff
that happened a couple of years ago to happen to
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Old Miss. I don't have a huge problem with this, colin,
but if you noticed yesterday on social media, some Old
Miss players were criticizing Lane's comments, like, bro, that's not
what you told us in the locker room. And now
the old miss ad is coming out and saying and
this just is breaking. Now, Hey, guys, Lane knew he
wasn't gonna coach these guys in the playoffs, So.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
What he's talking about lies basically.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
And I just wonder what are the players going to
think when the OC leaves, what's coming back to call plays?
Isn't there still a disconnect? Like, dude, you left us. Yeah,
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I I don't like it at all.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I would just listen.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The breakup felt gross to begin with, but it's Lane's history.
I would not go back to coach. These people were
at an airport, screaming.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Carrying their babies and screaming explitives link Kiff.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Can you ever imagine if I said to you in
your life, at some point, for any reason whatsoever, you
drive to a private airport to flip people off and
scream at them.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Is there anything that could get you there?
Speaker 8 (26:44):
I mean maybe if you fired me from this job,
and I you know, have your family was penniless.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
You know I'm yell at you.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm first of all, I don't go to private airport.
Second of all, I don't have that power. I'm in
for row twenty eight on Southwest.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Oh yeah, that's right, economy, I forgot it.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
But in all honesty, think about Charlie Whist Junior walking
back into the locker room.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
It's weird and everybody's looking at him like you ditched us.
I don't look at all. So I don't know how
you're anty capping this.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
But all I know is if I'm a top four seed,
I want to see Old Miss in my first round game.
I think that's an easy dub for whoever Old Miss
you want that seed? I think it's the three.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I agree, I saw I thought that last night. I'm like,
I want to play Old Miss.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Yeah, assuming they get by their first matchup. All right,
final story call, Let's go to the Eagles. You know,
I pressed my guy Martin here, like, what's the real
story with the Eagles? I don't want to hear this. Well,
the offensive line stakes they were great last year. Saquon
Barkley got slow. It's more than that, Like you said,
they lead the league in three and outs. They've blown
two fourth quarter leads at home. It's very bizarre. They
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got blown out by the g men. Okay, Nick Sirianni's
searching for answers and this is his best bet as
to what the hell's going on.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Of course, none of us are are are doing a good,
good enough job right now. We all got it. We
all have to look internally and get better. And that
doesn't that When I say that, hopefully you guys always
understand that I'm looking at myself very first, and I'm
looking at the coaches to do the same thing, and
obviously the players will do the same thing.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
I mean, I know nobody wants to hear this, but
Super Bowl hangover is a thing coming.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, it's real.
Speaker 8 (28:23):
I mean, it didn't really happen on the Chiefs every year.
They had Mahomes who was young and read. But I
look at this Eagles team and they look like they're
going through the motions.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
If that makes sense, Well, I think the thing with me,
it's another I'll give you two teams this year. The
San Francisco forty nine Ers defensive coordinator and the Eagles
offensive coordinator are proving it's not just about players. We
always think this league is about quarterbacks and head coaches coordinators.
(28:54):
There's a reason they make seven figures. The Eagles talent
on offense is remarkable. Talent on defense is bottom ten.
Right now, great coordinators change outcomes.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's what I said.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Robert Sala has to be the assistant of the year
in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Yeah, that that's not a bad I mean yeah, Now,
I don't know where you go with that, Like does
he get interviews instantly? Like just look out to Jets
five minutes ago, I would hire Sala in one minute,
I probably yeah, yeah, But I will just say about
the Eagles, Colin, they had a weird thing.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Did you see Jihad Campbell? I probably butchering his name.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
The rookie had an awesome start to the season, and
then the linebacker Nakobe Dean comes back takes his job.
Campbell didn't have one defensive snap, and I'm like, what's
that about?
Speaker 7 (29:43):
And then they got run over.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Dean's more of an edge rusher, Campbell's a tough linebacker.
I just don't know what's going on in that with
the coaches. You oc Like, I know his house got egged.
I'm sure you saw by some unruly Eagles fans who
have no life Thanksgiving weekend to go eggs egg accord
House like things are just wacky.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
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Speaker 2 (30:06):
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Speaker 1 (30:11):
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Speaker 8 (30:35):
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Speaker 3 (30:57):
Fired up for that Fired up for that draw? I
know you are well.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's time for the Honorable Judge Cowhard presiding in the
court of my opinion today. You give me all the quarterbacks,
all the young quarterbacks in the League twenty twenty four class.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
I am ready. Let's make judgments fire away.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Do you accept the case that Caleb Williams is a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yes, let me direct your attention to Caleb's star witnesses,
head coach Ben Johnson. One of the best passers on
third down thanks to Ben Johnson fourth highest touchdown interception
ratio thirty seven touchdown to eleven picks since he entered
the league.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yes, okay, oh boy, what.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
A lenient judge.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Do you accept the case that Jaden Daniels is a
franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Now everyone ry and raise your right hand for Jaden's
left elbow. Yes, listen, highest completion percentage by any rookie
quarterback ever. He is a highly mobile, highly accurate, highly coachable,
really bright kid who's injury prone.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
The verdict is yes, he's a franchise guy.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
I like how they got a photo of you smiling.
Judges should be serious. Do you accept the case that
Drake May is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I would like to state for the record that Drake
May is arguably the best quarterback out of the twenty
twenty four draft class. Yes, on pace to be the
second youngest quarterback to lead the NFL in passer rating.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Who's number one?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Dan Marino greatness in a league of mediocrity, is easy
to spot.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Drake May is great.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Right now we get to the hard ones.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Colin, do you accept the case that Michael Pennix is
a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
As you're judge, you are instructed to disregard what you
saw at the University of Washington. He just had his
third major knee surgery in his young career.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
No is the answer. He is a pure.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Pocket passer, I said when he came out early injury.
Would scare me right now as winds are over. JJ McCarthy,
Marcus Mariota, and Drew Locke so far, No, not a
franchise cool, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
All right, I kind of agree. Do you accept the
case that J. J.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
McCarthy, after like seven starts is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
As I stated earlier, the evidence does not support any
argument that JJ is ready to start a franchise That
my Kings have averaged seventeen points a game when he starts,
his completion percentage is rough fifty four percent passer rating
minimum hundred attempts, minimum one hundred and ten fifty eight.
(33:59):
There's no no evidence to support, As your judge, there
is no evidence to support he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
All right, do you accept the case that bo Nicks
is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Remember, j Mac, we are all under oath to solemnly
swear that bow Nicks is ready to lead a franchise. Listen,
he leaves the NFL the last two years with eight
game winning drive. There is an it quality to being
a franchise guy in this league. You can be great early,
but if you shrink late, no thanks. He can struggle early.
(34:31):
He and Caleb both can they rise late? That's a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
And finally, do you accept the case that Spencer Rattler
is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Stating his full name for the record, Spencer Benson Rattler. No,
he is a backup quarterback. I mean, come on, he's
one in thirteen twelve touchdowns, fifteen giveaways, and a passer
rating under Rady. He's talented. He reminds me of Drew Law.
I can see the talent. I know he's got a
good arm. I know he moves. Okay, you gotta win games.
(35:06):
You gotta make good decisions. You see who the Saints
replaced him with last week A couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
Yeah, Tyler, Yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Forgot about Spencer Ratler honestly, but listen, you're a lenient judge, Colin.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
Let's be real.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
It's a little early on Pennix and McCarthy given the injuries.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
I mean, Pennis barely started last year.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I will say, of all these, I feel very strongly,
what's really the Michael Pennock's.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Injury his third yeah is so I.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Think if you're Atlanta now you've got to start drafting
a backup quarterback because he has him an elite and
he can't stay healthy. I've said this with JJ McCarthy.
You would know if he could stay healthy if he
was the guy by now. That's the worst part. You
don't think he is, but you don't really know because
he's not available to start. Bo Nix and Caleb Williams.
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Bonicks doesn't get sacked and he's durable. Caleb doesn't throw
picks and they're durable, and they're both great late. So
I don't expect everybody to be Drake May. I will say,
we talked about this yesterday. If you go back to
the last and I don't top of my head thirty drafts,
you get one franchise quarterback, no doubt about it. Good
guy can make a Pro Bowl or two or three
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or four. You get one franchise quarterback every draft. I
think quarterback plays better now in college you may get
two now, but you get a star about every four
to five years. You get a Drake may or you.
I mean, Drake may is a star. Drake May is
a They don't even have a good old line or
a good run game, and they maybe the number one
seed with Denver. You have a stacked fro Denver's roster,
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Chicago's roster, there's no holes, right, I mean like New
England's roster. I don't like their own line or their
run game, and they have no number one receiver. Drake
may is what you get every every fourth draft, like
a star.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
But I don't like to throw around franchise quarterback tags,
So I'll ask you, like, is Baker Mayfield the franchise
quarterback he's on like his sixteen Okay, Sam Donald, I'm
assuming you think is a franchise lu Yes, Okay, Well
if that's the case, then yes, I will agree with
some of these colins.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
But let me ask you about Bryce Young because.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Last year, if you had asked franchise cour at hell nough, right.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
This year.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
You're like, I can see him being my quarterback for
the next two or three.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Hey, so this is good. So you and I have
talked about this. Put it in context. Sam Darnold's a
franchise quarterback at thirty three million a year, right, Yes,
that's Baker, who can be reckless, is a franchise quarterback
at thirty five million year. I would keep Bryce Young
at thirty three. I'm letting him go if the demand
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is forty six. He is ball, he can get banged up.
They have a pretty good run game right now, so
he's got a very good offensive coach Dave Kanalis, and
the Panthers have two running backs, Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dawdle.
Those are good players, and they have upgraded their defense.
I think Dan Morgan's actually are really sharp former player,
really sharp GM. The guys in the league I know
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really like Dan Morgan. I think Canalis is good.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Now, I'm not blame.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I'm not saying that Bryce Young's only good because of them,
because nobody's good with bad gms and bad coaches. I
think Bryce Young is one of those guys. Like I
like Bryce Young. I think he has more talent than
Daniel Jones. Daniel's bigger. Okay, I think Daniel's got a
better arm and is bigger. I think I think Bryce
Young's more talented. I think he's got I think he's
(38:26):
just more efficient, more accurate. So I think there's those
guys like Daniel Jones and Bryce Young. I think they're
franchise quarterback. The number has to be in the thirties
and then you have to be like, you know, nine
to twelve percent of the salary cap.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
You can't be twenty six percent.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Colin, You're right, So maybe we need new a new
label from franchise quarterback, well thirty five mil versus DAK
because if you look at the AFC standings, college take
look the playoff teams, look at all the top teams.
Tell me what you one of those guys are franchise
quarterback because Bo Nicks and Drake May it's up two
seeds rookie quarterback deal. They're franchise quarterbacks on a rookie deal.
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Like Trevor Lawrence hasn't totally kicked in. Lamar Jackson's barely
in there. They're paying Lamar Herbert rookie deal. Daniel Jones
small deal. Look who's on the outside. Patrick Mahomes, you
got pay them a lot. Joe Burrow, I know he's
been hurt, but franchise quarterback money matters.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
I don't know how we re.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I think there's three kind of quarterbacks in the NFL.
Franchise bridge and backup on the bridge. I think Bryce
Young is a guy that you get a favorable deal
on and then you start drafting quarterbacks from the third
and fourth round because he's injury prone, and you just
every other year, let's just draft a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I used to think that about Dak and it takes
a while. Now Dak's in his tenth year and he's
literally as good as anybody in the league this year consistently,
he and Stafford. So I think it's hard. Quarterback's the
hardest position. I mean, if you go look at the
thirty best offensive ta in league history, twenty seven are
drafted in the first round. Most of your great egge
rushers and defensive tackles first round. But there are positions
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like quarterback where Dak fourth round. I mean, just start
start looking around. Jalen Hurt, second round, Baker third or
fourth team, Sam Darnold, the world gave up on him,
brought pretty seventh round.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
So it's it's it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Quarterback is leadership and toughness and guile and and pre snap.
It's a really hard position. There are three categories. You're
a franchise guy Justin Herbert, You're a bridge guy Jacoby Brissett,
and then you're a backup whoever you want to.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
You know, Zach Wilson, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I think the tough one is when you get a
Bryce Young and.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
You're like, all right, we like him. He falls in
the Baker class.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'm not paying him forty nine fifty four million a year,
but I honestly three he's good.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
Colin Drake may fifty mil. They're gonna be fine. Oh
I'll be dead serious. I don't think you can pay
bo Nick's fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
Let's get expect Denver to compete. Yeah, I don't think
you can.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Let's let's give him another ten to fifteen starts. Let's
give Caleb another ten to fifteen starts. I do think Caleb,
if you're talking, if you're telling me, he's going to
complete fifty eight percent of his throws at some point
if you pay him, I mean, if they paid Caleb
Williams this season.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Could you keep Joe Tooney? Could you keep DJ Moore?
Could you? I mean you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Could you keep Jalen Johnson, Our three, Albert Breer, Alexi
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
Well what a wild, wild conclusion. I mean, at least
now we have a college football playoff of twelve teams.
We didn't like when the computers did it, we didn't
like when the media selected it.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
We don't like.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
The Randoh arbitrary committee doing it. But at least a
playoff will be great when we figure out who's in
and who's out. Right now, Notre Dame's in, Miami and
Texas are out. Just head to head. Matter in Oklahoma
got thumbed by Texas and m got thumbed by Texas.
(01:03):
Vandy got thumbed by Texas. Texas was willing to play
Ohio State and Columbus lost close.
Speaker 3 (01:10):
They didn't get in.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
And I mean Texas plays in the SEC where you
know I always hear about bad losses. Miami lost to SMU.
SMU be Clemson in Miami. They're not that bad. They're
eight and four. They went to the playoff last year.
The game was in Dallas. They're not that bad. So
the Louisville loss stunk. And for Texas, I guess the
Florida loss is bad. But man, Texas had a lot
(01:34):
of quality wins.
Speaker 4 (01:35):
I just.
Speaker 1 (01:38):
You know, I'm somebody that I look at your schedule
and give me quality wins. I don't think bad losses
should be the be all end all. The Rams just
lost to the Panthers. I just think we've asked college
kids now to play more and more and more and
more games. You're gonna have a stinker. Rams defense week stunk,
(02:01):
and we know they're great and Miami. You know, Texas
went and played an SEC team in Gainesville and got
beat Remember last year Lane Kiffatt took a good team
to Gainesville and lost.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
I lose it at Gainesville's.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
To me, it's an SEC team, it's ninety thousand people,
it's allowed to stadium collegiately.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
I've ever been to with that.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
Joel Klatt who called Ohio State Michigan, they'll be calling
Ohio State Indiana. He's getting some good games, so I
guess this is we both love this sport. I guess
I guess where I feel bad. So Miami's going we
beat them head to head.
Speaker 3 (02:42):
Yeah, and Texas is going we beat three top teams.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
And the Committee's like, well, Notre Dame didn't really have
a quality win, but they had no bad losses. I
don't know if that's how we should measure greatness. I
like Notre Dame as a program shouldn't. Doesn't Miami have
a real case here?
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Of course?
Speaker 5 (03:02):
Of course, of course Miami has a real case and
Texas has a real case.
Speaker 3 (03:07):
And there's so many ways to go.
Speaker 5 (03:10):
Let me, let me just start with, like, the problem
is obviously the format obviously right, because we're trying to
have this selection based playoff, and it doesn't matter if
you have computers do it or people do it. Like
it's subjective and there's no way that you can rank
the criteria, or or at least they don't rank the
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criteria and tell us which one is going to take
precedent over the other. So there's all different types of criteria.
You can take a head to head criteria or resume criteria,
the eye test criteria, did you get to a conference
championship game, what did your schedule look like in particular
in the non conference, And yet we don't rank those
So what value does any of those criteria actually have
towards the ranking. Well, we don't know, and I think
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that's the arbitrary nature of it is what's frustrating. I've
argued for a long time that we need to define
the path you see, like for instance, in every other sport,
always in forever, what do we do to break tiebreakers?
Speaker 6 (04:06):
Colin?
Speaker 5 (04:07):
The first one is head to head always, always, And
so here's the thing with Notre Dame. I don't think
they're just in. I know that they're not going to
play another game in Miami is not going to play
another game, But but they have this buffer that is BYU.
And so if you actually play this out, I think
Notre Dame is actually more likely to miss the playoff
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than make the playoff.
Speaker 3 (04:30):
And here's why.
Speaker 5 (04:31):
If BYU wins in the Big twelve championship game and
beats Texas Tech, they get an automatic spot. And there's
almost no scenario where Tech falls behind Notre Dame. Therefore,
Notre Dame would fall fall out. Now if BYU loses
to Texas Tech, maybe similar fashion to the way they
lost already this year when they played Tech twenty nine
to seven. It was a dominant victory for the Red Raiders.
(04:53):
Wouldn't BYU almost assuredly, just fall maybe one spot or
two spots in the rankings behind Miami, which then would
promote a direct comparison with what we're talking about, two
teams right next to each other, same record, with the
head to head result. So I think Notre Dame's actually
in a really precarious spot right now.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
I listen, I you know me, I like big brands.
I want Notre Dame in Miami and Texas all in right, like,
that's what I'm rooting for.
Speaker 5 (05:20):
I think Texas is cooked. I don't see the way
they get in I know, but it didn't.
Speaker 1 (05:24):
Unbelievable beat Oklahoma like a drum dominated, bandy dominated and
they lose to Ohio State by seven. From that point forward,
Ohio State won by an average of thirty one. That
the only team that played a super close game in
Columbus four new offensive linemen, and you're like, best college
defense probably either one of us has seen in half
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a decade, and they lose by a touchdown and Texas
didn't play well, and you're like, I don't know. Like, listen,
they don't match out with Georgia. They just don't that happens.
They don't match up with Georgia. Let me ask you this,
Indiana scheduled a week at a conference schedule right now,
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they'd have a buye.
Speaker 3 (06:06):
What if Indiana gets smoked?
Speaker 1 (06:09):
What if it is thirty eight seventeen and it looks
like the Indiana Notre Dame game last year? What if
Indiana gets smoked? What happens to them? I don't think
they fall out of by territory. And the reason is
that Oregon will act as a buffer. Remember they beat Oregon,
so like Oregon is their floor. So even if they
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fall down with what they've done this year, they're probably
still going to remain in the top four.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Even if they were to get now, I don't think
they'll get smoked. I think that's a very good and
complete team. Now, did they play a soft non conference?
There's no doubt that they played a soft non conference.
But I don't see a situation where either the loser
of the Big Ten championship game, Ohio State or Indiana
falls out of a position where they're getting a buye
in the first round of the College Football Playoff.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
Okay, what if, okay, Bama went to Georgia. I mean, honestly,
one of the most perfect game plans I've ever seen.
They beat Georgia in Athens. They were flawless, one of
the best habs of football played by anybody this year.
What if Georgia beats them? And by the way, George
and Kirby Smart don't beat Alabama much like it that
you talk about a matchup. Georgia doesn't beat Bama. Texas
doesn't beat Georgia. What if Bama gets smacked? Can they
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get knocked out? I think possibly?
Speaker 5 (07:21):
Although the history and the president from the committee last
year was that they weren't going to penalize teams for
losing conference championship games. And we saw that when SMU
lost to Clemson, you remember, and Clemson got the automatic berth.
But then SMU stayed in the College Football Playoff. They
went to Penn State and lost in the first round.
So President would tell you that this committee is going
to value conference championship games and not not knock a
(07:44):
team for losing that. Now here's let me just say
this sake of argument, let's just pull ourselves out thirty
thousand foot view for a moment, because that would suggest
that this committee is trying to protect or value conference
championship games. And I would make the argument that in
college football for the last ten in twenty years, we
have done a really poor job of trying to protect
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and value things that are obviously going to die, like
amateurism and bowl games, for example. These are things that
obviously don't fit in what's going to happen in the
future of our sport. And the fact that they didn't
move off of amateurism early led to the chaos that
we have now with the transfer portal and the revenue share.
The fact that they won't move off of bowl games
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gives us a regular season and then playoff that leaks
into the NFL playoffs that leaks into the transfer portal
late into January. So we're not nimble in college football.
And if you protect a conference championship game, the writing
is on the wall Colin these games are being devalued.
There's no reason to protect those. So if Bamba were
to get smacked, I could see a situation where, depending
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on what happens in the BYU Texas second game, they
get in, maybe Miami gets in, and maybe you know,
they take another look at Texas in that regard. But
I do think that we need to start putting the
right value in the right spots. I think that we
need to start talking about defining the path to the
playoff rather than having a selection based committee playoff. These
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things would be better for the sport. Not to get
two long winded, but just for an example, just for
an example, imagine this weekend. If we had a play
in weekend and this didn't live in a committee room,
but it lived on the field where we had based
on where you finished in your conference, automatic bursts per conference,
maybe four each for the big guys SEC and Big ten,
maybe two each for the ACC and the Big twelve.
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And then you would get matchups this weekend colin like
Texas at Texas A and m winner goes to the playoff,
BYU Utah winner goes to the playoff, Miami Duke winner
goes to the playoff. So we would be able to say, hey, listen,
rather than just sitting there and watching your TV and
seeing if a committee puts you in, you control your
own fate. Go play a football game for sixty minutes
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and if you can win that game, then you're going
to go on into a fourteen team playoff. That's what
I would do, But no one's making me commissioner yet.
If you've got that power, please do so.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
If I was commissioner, I would say head to head
one quality wins two. That to me should be It
would clarity would be pretty easy. I mean, Texas would
be in Notre Dame. Would not be like head to
head matters quality. Because I want better scheduling, I would
take it away from at large.
Speaker 3 (10:19):
I just don't.
Speaker 5 (10:20):
I don't like this idea that we're just like selecting teams. Now,
even if you define the criterion valued them as you're
saying in a particular order, that would help. That would
certainly help. I would just rather put it on the field.
I would rather have a play in weekend. A play
in weekend with fourteen teams would create more value at
the top because there would only be two buys. So
you're really creating a top end incentive for those teams
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to play hard late into the season, the best teams
in the country, and more access and control at the bottom.
You know That's what I would do.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Okay, I got three things, though I'm going to get
to Penn State Lane Kiffin before I do that. I
could see Ryan Day wants them in every game, but
the conference championship, for like Ohio State, means nothing.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
I don't want guys hurt.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
My takeaway is and I also, I'm going to have
to play somebody I don't want them seeing, you know,
I want them to have to go back eight games
to find some of my tricks. I could see Ohio
State saying, you know, any player that's kind of banged up,
you're not playing and kind of doing a vanilla playbook,
and then they lose. Because if I'm the bottom line
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is if I beat Michigan and winning Natty, nobody gives
a rip about Indiana. You beat Michigan, you win a Natty.
So I guess my question is is it possible we're
going to get a really flat, uninspired Buckeye team this weekend.
Speaker 5 (11:36):
I don't think so, because they've been business like the
entire year. It didn't matter if we saw him at
you know, I saw him play Rutgers, I saw him
play Illinois, and they were the same every single week.
And I feel like we're going to get the same
business like approach from the Buckeyes. Let's also keep in
mind this is a program. None of these players have
won a Big Ten title. This is not like old
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hat for Ohio State. We might feel like that because
we've seen Ohio State of recent vintage, but this program
hasn't won a Big Ten title since twenty twenty. They're
gonna want to go out there and put their best
foot forward. There's also more on the line when you
think about the Heisman Trophy. Julian Sayin's gonna have to
play well in order to win the game in order
to win the Heisman Trophy. So I still think that
there's a lot on the line. The number one seed
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overall in the playoff is going to be beneficial. You'd
rather play the number four team in the country in
the semi final than the number two or three team
in the semi final. So all of those things I
think will be incentive for them to go put their
best foot forward.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
Okay, let's get to Kiffin.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Listen, I've said don't marry the rock star and be
shocked when he says I got to go on tour
for a couple of months. Yeah, Ole Miss would have
signed up for where they're at today five years ago. Sure,
number one offense in the country, eleven wins, but he's
going to burn you on the way out. Ole Miss
would have.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
Signed up for that.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
So I don't have when you go into business or
you go into a relationship, as long as you get
full disclosure. And it was on Lane Kevin. I don't
have a lot of sympathy for Old Miss. They benefited
just like everybody that hires Lane does. Your offense gets better,
you get talked about, there's controversy and social media. I mean,
I guess the whole thing doesn't bother me as much
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as it probably bothers everybody else, does it?
Speaker 7 (13:16):
Well, you, I just.
Speaker 5 (13:18):
Everything that you said is correct, nothing you said is
wrong there. Yeah, I mean he's got the five messiest
exits in maybe football history. I mean, think about it,
Al Davis with the overhead projector you got the Tennessee debacle.
He's left on the tarmac and usc Saban told him
to chick Rocks before the National Championship game and now
here at Old Miss. So everything that you're saying, yes,
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if you're Old Miss again, Ole Miss, the program, the administration,
I'm sure that this is kind of like, yeah, maybe
this was always in the cards, or certainly we could
expect this. But I think of it not from the
old miss perspective, and I think of it from the
player's perspective. If you're one of those players and you're
sitting in the meetings in August in early September and
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they're talking about team first and committing and let's go
achieve something and here are our team goals, well he
just left that team and they are going to field
spurred and trust me, Like you're seeing articles out there
where some of these players are are pushing back on
this narrative that Lane, you know, wanted to coach and
they wanted him to coach, and they're like, no, you know,
we feel pretty betrayed by Lane Kiffen and rightly, so listen,
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I don't begrudge this man his movement. And he's going
to go, and he thought LSU was going to be
a better opportunity for he and his family, you know,
more power to him, But that doesn't mean that there
are not consequences to those decisions. And he did leave
a team high and dry, and he left those players
high and dry. That's going to hurt his credibility moving forward,
and he also went to a place that, let's face
it is not as sound foundationally. They might have more resources,
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but it's certainly a lot more crazy at LSU. It's like, listen,
you know you can go with a six to prom
and that six is going to be committed to you.
You take the nine, she might be crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
All right, that's a good way to put it. Okay,
you and I did not like Penn State. They did
not like you and I didn't like Penn State abruptly
canning James Franklin. Well, now what's happened is the power
brokers who run this sport, the agents are freezing out
Penn State and they have like the recruiting class. I'm
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surprised they haven't called me. They are not recruiting anybody
like like there. Montana is gonna have a better recruiting
class more than Penn State. So I what do you
think happens?
Speaker 3 (15:39):
It's a good job.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
It's a good job, but unfortunately for them, and then
I know that people involved it has been mismanaged. I
think that they had a plan when they fired James Franklin,
and I think that that plan involved Kurt Signetti and
Kurt Signetty was like, Nope, that ain't That ain't my bag.
And once that happened, then they were behind the eight
and now they've gotten passed up by these other programs.
Speaker 3 (16:03):
So I think here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
I think that Penn State went after Kloni Sataki pretty hard,
and Crumble Cookie came in and said, our cookies are
delicious and they're making a lot of money. And no,
and if you don't know that, the Crumble Cookie guy
is a BYU guy and he came in with a
lot of it.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
It's a big meme and it's fantastic.
Speaker 5 (16:22):
So now I think that there's probably a couple of
guys that they're still in talks with and trying to get.
I think Brian dave Ball is still in play. I
think Jeff Brahm at Louisville is still in play. And
the fact that it hasn't happened yet. And today, by
the way, is National Signing Day Early signing day. Players
can recruits can sign to your school today, and Penn
State doesn't have a coach, which is wild. It speaks
to the possible mismanagement of what's going on, or at
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least it's going off the rails and they don't have
a coach, which also leads me to believe that something
is up their sleeve. Colin, I think that they are
targeting a coach that is still playing this week.
Speaker 3 (16:56):
And if you just.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Go process of elimination, this is not information that I've
heard from anybody. If process of elimination, you think, well,
Kirby's not going anywhere. Sataki told him no, Joey Maguire's
not going anywhere. Both guys in the American at two
Lane in North Texas some are all and Eric Morris
they already have a place to go. Is it Tony
Elliott at Virginia possibly, Manny Diaz at at Duke possibly,
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or is it Kaylin de Boor at Alabama? I think
that they might be going after a guy that is
coaching this week, which is why it's bleeding into the
signing day.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Caylin de Boor, by the way, is a Midwest guy.
Isn't he got has started in South Dakota? How about
that again?
Speaker 5 (17:42):
I haven't No one's told me that officially, but I
if you just play that out, like, why do you
not have a coach yet?
Speaker 1 (17:50):
He's got to still be coaching that's clet That's pretty
good closure right there. You just went Mariano Rivera on us.
That was a pretty good clothes right.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Cut her in on the hands.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Just okay, Well, I'm gonna enjoy the games you have Indiana,
Ohio State. I like Ohio State. Man, you're getting good games.
Speaker 2 (18:13):
You love it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Did you get a job promotion here at the company
they're giving you good games?
Speaker 3 (18:16):
No?
Speaker 5 (18:17):
No, they said that I've been I've been doing a
good job on these hits. So this is it's reward
for doing a good job here. Joe Clat good thing.
See you, brother, that's interesting. I think Klein de Bor
is unbelievable.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I really do.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
I think Bama's you know, everybody's banging on. He's not
coaching the Savan Bama teams. You understand Saban left Bama, right.
You think it's because of age, but you watch Saban
on TV. He's still funny as ever. Energy's unbelievable. White
Saban get out. I said this about four years ago.
He played Sark when the nil started, about four years ago,
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whatever it was, he played Sark, and Sark had all
that Texas money and Saban's no dummy. Remember he started
complaining publicly. He looked at A and M and the Longhorns.
That's Texas money. I mean, Texas is the Bentley Alabama
money is a glove compartment in a Kia. You're talking
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Texas money. Saban played Texas and went I got no
interest going toe to toe with the Aggies and the
Longhorns bags of money. So Saban's like, exit stage right.
Caitlin de Boord takes it. Everybody's like, well, he's not
as good. He doesn't have the players. When you watch
Bama played Georgia this weekend, George's got more good players.
(19:38):
If Ohio State played Bama, Ohio skates out much better players.
I think Texas has better players. So and I think
Greg Burn the ad hired the right guy. But you know,
it's really unfair to say, well, I mean this guy.
This guy's an unbelievable coach. I just root for great coaching.
(20:00):
That guy's a great coach.
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Speaker 1 (20:43):
I'm telling you that that Cowboys Lions game. Jerry Jones
has had a great last nine months from April twenty fourth,
when the draft started, until today.
Speaker 3 (20:53):
Tyler Booker fall pick first round.
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Looks like a tremendous interior offensive lineman. The Micah trade,
the Quinn Williams move acquisition in the Micah trade at
Kenny Clark. Now, Demarvian overshown is healthy. You know Dallas
right now, it's number two in the NFL and pressures.
They're better without Micah. For everybody that said, oh Dallas crazy,
(21:20):
they rushed the passer better than they did previously. Why
because their run defense is better, forcing teams to have
to throw on third and five plus yards obvious passing
down so you can pin your ears back Micah was
not good against the run.
Speaker 3 (21:36):
He's bad against the run.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
So I love Mica at Green Bay, but I loved
Micah and Dallas getting leverage and flexibility moving on, So
you say what you want. Jerry Jones had a great
nine months, still got two first round picks. The Quinn
Williams move has transformed the defense. Getting Kenny Clark. Yeah,
when Micah was there, and this is before they paid
him the big money, the run defense was atrocious. The
(21:59):
overall defense was bad. You could have issues like you
can the Rams won a Super Bowl without good safeties.
You can have issues on the back end of your
defense because remember December and January football, Miami Dolphins had
Waddle and Tyreek Hill. How they do in December and January.
(22:20):
What you can't have is a bad run game. Dallas
last couple of years with Micah was bad against the run,
and so by getting Quinn Williams and Kenny Clark, they're
great against the run, forcing teams to now have to
pass on Dallas's terms, not their terms. So it's okay.
(22:40):
Not every divorce is one sided. Sometimes both people do
really really well. Green Bay upgraded, Dallas upgraded, much more flexibility,
and we haven't even seen their two picks yet. I
keep thinking they're gonna get in an edge rusher. Well,
they're getting quarterback in the pressure. Now, just draft a
bunch of Ohio State guys. That's my remedy to fix
(23:03):
your defense. Go take a couple of puck guys. J
Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
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Speaker 7 (23:13):
All right, We're going to your Bears. They're in your backyard.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
You love you some.
Speaker 8 (23:16):
Ben Johnson, remember when he got the Bears head coaching job,
Colin he was talking a little bit of smack, said
he kind of enjoyed beating Matt Lafleur twice a year
while running the offense for the Lions. Well, Ben Johnson, Hey,
don't let your mouth write checks at your butt. Can't
cash Colin big one this weekend. Ben Johnson's Bears against
the Lafleur's defense.
Speaker 7 (23:37):
Here's Johnson talking about the matchup.
Speaker 9 (23:40):
They're all over the field, and so we've got a
tall task here at hand. And then when you combine
it with the scheme, I think Hathley does a great
job of making it simple for them and yet to
the offense, it can seem fairly complex, and those guys
just go out and they play really really fast, and
that's what shows up all over the tape.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
By the way, he didn't compliment the offense. He's an
offensive guy. He gave all the love to the defense.
Speaker 7 (24:06):
Yeah, so are you still surprised that this is six
and a half?
Speaker 1 (24:09):
This line, I'm one of my bets of the week.
Is a very close game. I think green Bay at
home probably wins, but six and a half points.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
So it is interesting when the sometimes the Packers they've
had a couple letdowns.
Speaker 7 (24:21):
Remember that Panthers game is like, what's what's.
Speaker 3 (24:23):
Going on with Cleveland game?
Speaker 7 (24:24):
Yeah?
Speaker 8 (24:25):
What are Cleveland and the Panthers not good football teams?
I know the Panthers are seven and six, but you
know what I'm talking about now when they play the
cream of the crop, Packers rise up.
Speaker 7 (24:33):
I'm very curious. Listen, we know what the Bears want
to do. They want to run the football and get
a lead.
Speaker 8 (24:37):
Right, you can be able to do that against his
Packers defense.
Speaker 7 (24:40):
Look at the numbers here, Colin. They don't give up anything.
Speaker 8 (24:43):
Mike up Parsons probably second best defensive point.
Speaker 3 (24:46):
What's your best game? What's your best bet on the
board this week.
Speaker 8 (24:49):
I can't give that out on a Wednesday. Come on, dog,
you gotta wait for it.
Speaker 7 (24:53):
I will say. I'm on the opposite side of you here.
Speaker 8 (24:55):
I did bet the Packers six and a half. They're
a great teaser leg, you know, the six point teaser.
But I think the Packers hand a little truth theorem
to your boys.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Oh yeah, that's what I heard at Philadelphia. That was
gonna be truth serum.
Speaker 7 (25:07):
I didn't say that somebody.
Speaker 3 (25:09):
Keep drinking the serum and then get sick.
Speaker 8 (25:12):
All right, Let's move on to a college football and
the Old Miss saga.
Speaker 7 (25:16):
How about this one?
Speaker 8 (25:18):
So offensive coordinator Charlie Weiss junior, Yeah, he left Ole
Miss with Lane to go to LSU, but he is
going to call plays for Old Miss during the college
football playoffs. Obviously they wanted to Ole Miss made some concessions.
They want to make sure they host the first round game.
You know, they didn't want any of that FSU stuff
that happened a couple of years ago to happen to
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Old Miss. I don't have a huge problem with this, colin,
but if you noticed yesterday on social media, some Old
Miss players were criticizing Lane's comments, like, bro, that's not
what you told us in the locker room. And now
the old miss ad is coming out and saying and
this just is breaking. Now, Hey, guys, Lane knew he
wasn't gonna coach these guys in the playoffs, So.
Speaker 7 (25:59):
What he's talking about lies basically.
Speaker 8 (26:02):
And I just wonder what are the players going to
think when the OC leaves, what's coming back to call plays?
Isn't there still a disconnect? Like, dude, you left us. Yeah,
I don't like it.
Speaker 1 (26:12):
I I don't like it at all.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
I would just listen.
Speaker 1 (26:16):
The breakup felt gross to begin with, but it's Lane's history.
I would not go back to coach. These people were
at an airport, screaming.
Speaker 8 (26:26):
Carrying their babies and screaming explitives link Kiff.
Speaker 1 (26:30):
Can you ever imagine if I said to you in
your life, at some point, for any reason whatsoever, you
drive to a private airport to flip people off and
scream at them.
Speaker 3 (26:41):
Is there anything that could get you there?
Speaker 8 (26:44):
I mean maybe if you fired me from this job,
and I you know, have your family was penniless.
Speaker 7 (26:48):
You know I'm yell at you.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
I'm first of all, I don't go to private airport.
Second of all, I don't have that power. I'm in
for row twenty eight on Southwest.
Speaker 7 (26:56):
Oh yeah, that's right, economy, I forgot it.
Speaker 8 (26:58):
But in all honesty, think about Charlie Whist Junior walking
back into the locker room.
Speaker 7 (27:02):
It's weird and everybody's looking at him like you ditched us.
I don't look at all. So I don't know how
you're anty capping this.
Speaker 8 (27:09):
But all I know is if I'm a top four seed,
I want to see Old Miss in my first round game.
I think that's an easy dub for whoever Old Miss
you want that seed? I think it's the three.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I agree, I saw I thought that last night. I'm like,
I want to play Old Miss.
Speaker 8 (27:23):
Yeah, assuming they get by their first matchup. All right,
final story call, Let's go to the Eagles. You know,
I pressed my guy Martin here, like, what's the real
story with the Eagles? I don't want to hear this. Well,
the offensive line stakes they were great last year. Saquon
Barkley got slow. It's more than that, Like you said,
they lead the league in three and outs. They've blown
two fourth quarter leads at home. It's very bizarre. They
(27:45):
got blown out by the g men. Okay, Nick Sirianni's
searching for answers and this is his best bet as
to what the hell's going on.
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Of course, none of us are are are doing a good,
good enough job right now. We all got it. We
all have to look internally and get better. And that
doesn't that When I say that, hopefully you guys always
understand that I'm looking at myself very first, and I'm
looking at the coaches to do the same thing, and
obviously the players will do the same thing.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (28:17):
I mean, I know nobody wants to hear this, but
Super Bowl hangover is a thing coming.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Yeah, it's real.
Speaker 8 (28:23):
I mean, it didn't really happen on the Chiefs every year.
They had Mahomes who was young and read. But I
look at this Eagles team and they look like they're
going through the motions.
Speaker 1 (28:32):
If that makes sense, Well, I think the thing with me,
it's another I'll give you two teams this year. The
San Francisco forty nine Ers defensive coordinator and the Eagles
offensive coordinator are proving it's not just about players. We
always think this league is about quarterbacks and head coaches coordinators.
(28:54):
There's a reason they make seven figures. The Eagles talent
on offense is remarkable. Talent on defense is bottom ten.
Right now, great coordinators change outcomes.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
That's what I said.
Speaker 1 (29:09):
Robert Sala has to be the assistant of the year
in the NFL.
Speaker 8 (29:13):
Yeah, that that's not a bad I mean yeah, Now,
I don't know where you go with that, Like does
he get interviews instantly? Like just look out to Jets
five minutes ago, I would hire Sala in one minute,
I probably yeah, yeah, But I will just say about
the Eagles, Colin, they had a weird thing.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Did you see Jihad Campbell? I probably butchering his name.
Speaker 8 (29:33):
The rookie had an awesome start to the season, and
then the linebacker Nakobe Dean comes back takes his job.
Campbell didn't have one defensive snap, and I'm like, what's
that about?
Speaker 7 (29:43):
And then they got run over.
Speaker 8 (29:45):
Dean's more of an edge rusher, Campbell's a tough linebacker.
I just don't know what's going on in that with
the coaches. You oc Like, I know his house got egged.
I'm sure you saw by some unruly Eagles fans who
have no life Thanksgiving weekend to go eggs egg accord
House like things are just wacky.
Speaker 3 (30:02):
And Philip they are Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
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Speaker 1 (30:11):
Judge cow Herd, the Honorable Judge cow Herd will deliver
his herdices on uh quarterbacks in this league young quarterbacks.
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Speaker 8 (30:35):
It's a great time to be a soccer fan. On Friday,
it all kicks off with the FIFA World Cup Final
draw at eleven thirty am Eastern on Fox. Then on Saturday,
Messy and Inter Miami square off against Vancouver for the
MLS Cup at two thirty pm Eastern, also on Fox.
Speaker 3 (30:57):
Fired up for that Fired up for that draw? I
know you are well.
Speaker 1 (31:03):
It's time for the Honorable Judge Cowhard presiding in the
court of my opinion today. You give me all the quarterbacks,
all the young quarterbacks in the League twenty twenty four class.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
I am ready. Let's make judgments fire away.
Speaker 8 (31:24):
Do you accept the case that Caleb Williams is a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
Yes, let me direct your attention to Caleb's star witnesses,
head coach Ben Johnson. One of the best passers on
third down thanks to Ben Johnson fourth highest touchdown interception
ratio thirty seven touchdown to eleven picks since he entered
the league.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
Yes, okay, oh boy, what.
Speaker 7 (31:53):
A lenient judge.
Speaker 8 (31:54):
Do you accept the case that Jaden Daniels is a
franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Now everyone ry and raise your right hand for Jaden's
left elbow. Yes, listen, highest completion percentage by any rookie
quarterback ever. He is a highly mobile, highly accurate, highly coachable,
really bright kid who's injury prone.
Speaker 3 (32:19):
The verdict is yes, he's a franchise guy.
Speaker 8 (32:22):
I like how they got a photo of you smiling.
Judges should be serious. Do you accept the case that
Drake May is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (32:31):
I would like to state for the record that Drake
May is arguably the best quarterback out of the twenty
twenty four draft class. Yes, on pace to be the
second youngest quarterback to lead the NFL in passer rating.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Who's number one?
Speaker 1 (32:45):
Dan Marino greatness in a league of mediocrity, is easy
to spot.
Speaker 3 (32:53):
Drake May is great.
Speaker 7 (32:54):
Right now we get to the hard ones.
Speaker 8 (32:55):
Colin, do you accept the case that Michael Pennix is
a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (33:01):
As you're judge, you are instructed to disregard what you
saw at the University of Washington. He just had his
third major knee surgery in his young career.
Speaker 3 (33:12):
No is the answer. He is a pure.
Speaker 1 (33:15):
Pocket passer, I said when he came out early injury.
Would scare me right now as winds are over. JJ McCarthy,
Marcus Mariota, and Drew Locke so far, No, not a
franchise cool, Yeah.
Speaker 7 (33:29):
All right, I kind of agree. Do you accept the
case that J. J.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
McCarthy, after like seven starts is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (33:37):
As I stated earlier, the evidence does not support any
argument that JJ is ready to start a franchise That
my Kings have averaged seventeen points a game when he starts,
his completion percentage is rough fifty four percent passer rating
minimum hundred attempts, minimum one hundred and ten fifty eight.
(33:59):
There's no no evidence to support, As your judge, there
is no evidence to support he's a franchise quarterback.
Speaker 8 (34:04):
All right, do you accept the case that bo Nicks
is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (34:09):
Remember, j Mac, we are all under oath to solemnly
swear that bow Nicks is ready to lead a franchise. Listen,
he leaves the NFL the last two years with eight
game winning drive. There is an it quality to being
a franchise guy in this league. You can be great early,
but if you shrink late, no thanks. He can struggle early.
(34:31):
He and Caleb both can they rise late? That's a
franchise quarterback.
Speaker 8 (34:36):
And finally, do you accept the case that Spencer Rattler
is a franchise quarterback?
Speaker 1 (34:42):
Stating his full name for the record, Spencer Benson Rattler. No,
he is a backup quarterback. I mean, come on, he's
one in thirteen twelve touchdowns, fifteen giveaways, and a passer
rating under Rady. He's talented. He reminds me of Drew Law.
I can see the talent. I know he's got a
good arm. I know he moves. Okay, you gotta win games.
(35:06):
You gotta make good decisions. You see who the Saints
replaced him with last week A couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 7 (35:12):
Yeah, Tyler, Yeah, I.
Speaker 8 (35:17):
Forgot about Spencer Ratler honestly, but listen, you're a lenient judge, Colin.
Speaker 7 (35:21):
Let's be real.
Speaker 8 (35:23):
It's a little early on Pennix and McCarthy given the injuries.
Speaker 7 (35:27):
I mean, Pennis barely started last year.
Speaker 1 (35:29):
I will say, of all these, I feel very strongly,
what's really the Michael Pennock's.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Injury his third yeah is so I.
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Think if you're Atlanta now you've got to start drafting
a backup quarterback because he has him an elite and
he can't stay healthy. I've said this with JJ McCarthy.
You would know if he could stay healthy if he
was the guy by now. That's the worst part. You
don't think he is, but you don't really know because
he's not available to start. Bo Nix and Caleb Williams.
(36:02):
Bonicks doesn't get sacked and he's durable. Caleb doesn't throw
picks and they're durable, and they're both great late. So
I don't expect everybody to be Drake May. I will say,
we talked about this yesterday. If you go back to
the last and I don't top of my head thirty drafts,
you get one franchise quarterback, no doubt about it. Good
guy can make a Pro Bowl or two or three
(36:23):
or four. You get one franchise quarterback every draft. I
think quarterback plays better now in college you may get
two now, but you get a star about every four
to five years. You get a Drake may or you.
I mean, Drake may is a star. Drake May is
a They don't even have a good old line or
a good run game, and they maybe the number one
seed with Denver. You have a stacked fro Denver's roster,
(36:45):
Chicago's roster, there's no holes, right, I mean like New
England's roster. I don't like their own line or their
run game, and they have no number one receiver. Drake
may is what you get every every fourth draft, like
a star.
Speaker 8 (37:00):
But I don't like to throw around franchise quarterback tags,
So I'll ask you, like, is Baker Mayfield the franchise
quarterback he's on like his sixteen Okay, Sam Donald, I'm
assuming you think is a franchise lu Yes, Okay, Well
if that's the case, then yes, I will agree with
some of these colins.
Speaker 7 (37:13):
But let me ask you about Bryce Young because.
Speaker 8 (37:15):
Last year, if you had asked franchise cour at hell nough, right.
Speaker 7 (37:19):
This year.
Speaker 8 (37:19):
You're like, I can see him being my quarterback for
the next two or three.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
Hey, so this is good. So you and I have
talked about this. Put it in context. Sam Darnold's a
franchise quarterback at thirty three million a year, right, Yes,
that's Baker, who can be reckless, is a franchise quarterback
at thirty five million year. I would keep Bryce Young
at thirty three. I'm letting him go if the demand
(37:42):
is forty six. He is ball, he can get banged up.
They have a pretty good run game right now, so
he's got a very good offensive coach Dave Kanalis, and
the Panthers have two running backs, Chuba Hubbard and Rico Dawdle.
Those are good players, and they have upgraded their defense.
I think Dan Morgan's actually are really sharp former player,
really sharp GM. The guys in the league I know
(38:03):
really like Dan Morgan. I think Canalis is good.
Speaker 3 (38:05):
Now, I'm not blame.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I'm not saying that Bryce Young's only good because of them,
because nobody's good with bad gms and bad coaches. I
think Bryce Young is one of those guys. Like I
like Bryce Young. I think he has more talent than
Daniel Jones. Daniel's bigger. Okay, I think Daniel's got a
better arm and is bigger. I think I think Bryce
Young's more talented. I think he's got I think he's
(38:26):
just more efficient, more accurate. So I think there's those
guys like Daniel Jones and Bryce Young. I think they're
franchise quarterback. The number has to be in the thirties
and then you have to be like, you know, nine
to twelve percent of the salary cap.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
You can't be twenty six percent.
Speaker 8 (38:43):
Colin, You're right, So maybe we need new a new
label from franchise quarterback, well thirty five mil versus DAK
because if you look at the AFC standings, college take
look the playoff teams, look at all the top teams.
Tell me what you one of those guys are franchise
quarterback because Bo Nicks and Drake May it's up two
seeds rookie quarterback deal. They're franchise quarterbacks on a rookie deal.
(39:05):
Like Trevor Lawrence hasn't totally kicked in. Lamar Jackson's barely
in there. They're paying Lamar Herbert rookie deal. Daniel Jones
small deal. Look who's on the outside. Patrick Mahomes, you
got pay them a lot. Joe Burrow, I know he's
been hurt, but franchise quarterback money matters.
Speaker 7 (39:21):
I don't know how we re.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
I think there's three kind of quarterbacks in the NFL.
Franchise bridge and backup on the bridge. I think Bryce
Young is a guy that you get a favorable deal
on and then you start drafting quarterbacks from the third
and fourth round because he's injury prone, and you just
every other year, let's just draft a quarterback.
Speaker 8 (39:45):
Now.
Speaker 1 (39:45):
I used to think that about Dak and it takes
a while. Now Dak's in his tenth year and he's
literally as good as anybody in the league this year consistently,
he and Stafford. So I think it's hard. Quarterback's the
hardest position. I mean, if you go look at the
thirty best offensive ta in league history, twenty seven are
drafted in the first round. Most of your great egge
rushers and defensive tackles first round. But there are positions
(40:08):
like quarterback where Dak fourth round. I mean, just start
start looking around. Jalen Hurt, second round, Baker third or
fourth team, Sam Darnold, the world gave up on him,
brought pretty seventh round.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
So it's it's it's not easy.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
Quarterback is leadership and toughness and guile and and pre snap.
It's a really hard position. There are three categories. You're
a franchise guy Justin Herbert, You're a bridge guy Jacoby Brissett,
and then you're a backup whoever you want to.
Speaker 3 (40:39):
You know, Zach Wilson, you know.
Speaker 1 (40:41):
I think the tough one is when you get a
Bryce Young and.
Speaker 3 (40:44):
You're like, all right, we like him. He falls in
the Baker class.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
I'm not paying him forty nine fifty four million a year,
but I honestly three he's good.
Speaker 8 (40:53):
Colin Drake may fifty mil. They're gonna be fine. Oh
I'll be dead serious. I don't think you can pay
bo Nick's fifty million dollars a year.
Speaker 7 (41:00):
Let's get expect Denver to compete. Yeah, I don't think
you can.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Let's let's give him another ten to fifteen starts. Let's
give Caleb another ten to fifteen starts. I do think Caleb,
if you're talking, if you're telling me, he's going to
complete fifty eight percent of his throws at some point
if you pay him, I mean, if they paid Caleb
Williams this season.
Speaker 3 (41:19):
Could you keep Joe Tooney? Could you keep DJ Moore?
Could you? I mean you couldn't.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Could you keep Jalen Johnson, Our three, Albert Breer, Alexi
Lowlam coming on
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