December 5, 2025 • 19 mins
Henry Cejudo IS BACK on the DC Check-In series ahead of what will be his FINAL UFC FIGHT, going up against young star Payton Talbott at UFC 323. Cejudo and DC talk about Henry walking away from the sport, and why he’s ready for the Talbott fight to be his final one in the UFC. And Cejudo talks about how he plans beat Payton, and reveals what he’ll take from the loss to Merab Dvalishvili. #Volume
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So who after all these years, after all these years,
if we finally got here, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
A trip, dude, right from that sixteen year old kid
at the training center, you know, and then uh fuck,
it's I've done a lot, bro, time. I'm actually surprised
that I've been in this game for this Damn.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Time goes fast.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Time goes fast, right, think back to me at sixteen,
get into the training center to think fast forward all
these years.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's like time just flies. Yeah, it really does, Bro,
it really does.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
There's a there's a song that in Brazil is called
the I Think It Sucks, called the Bullet Train, but
it talks about how life goes so quick before you
know it.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Dude, he got grades like d look at my face, dog,
Jesus Christ. Thank you for checking in, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Henry Shuhudo fights to this final fight this weekend at
UFC three twenty three against Peyton Talbot. Henry is obviously
Olympic champion, former World champion in two divisions, has done
so many things. We've done this time and time again.
But I'm glad that you were able to stay with
me one last time. As you closed the chapter on
what is one of the greatest combat sports careers of
(01:22):
all time. Now I tell you this, I'm saying this
knowing that I've known you since you were sixteen. Yeah,
So this is not me just saying this as anybody
that just has interviewed you this week or will interview you.
I've seen the journey, and I'm saying that knowing that
whole journey.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah. One of the greatest combat careers I've ever seen. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, no, I appreciate you scene it, I think
because you know, because we came from that wrestling pedigree
to where, you know, winning the US Open, cutting all
that weight, going overseas, doing the whole nine like that
was to me, that's that's been the biggest even though
I was young at that time. But now that I'm
a little older, it's almost like I feel more.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I feel like there's more gratitude.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I'm able to say thank you to my coaches, my
training partners, like, hey, man, the time that you get
because you said it, you know, time fly, so like
the time that they leave from their families to be
with you. Yeah, it just it means it means a
lot to me, man, you know, I just been feeling
that shit.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This whole week. Yeah, but like a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's sad, you know, you and your crime by yourself
like shit, because you know why, I think when it
starts to dawn on you that the one thing that
has been constant in your life is stepping across the
line from another person and competing against them, from wrestling
to fighting. You've always done that, and it's hard to
replicate that whenever you don't have it anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
You can do business deals and you can do other.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Things, but it's hard to replicate that feeling of competition,
especially when that's the fire that burns inside of you.
Like when you think about Saturday night and you think
about the grad attitude and all of the the looking
back that you probably have been doing. How do you
anticipate what life will look like after is done?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
No, I if anything, I feel good about it. I
really do DC like I've been. You know, I'm in
real estate, so I own currently about fifteen properties. Always
I do the you know, Pound for Powell and that
it's it's it's great, man, it's you know, we're diversifi
And I also have my uh, you know, the concert
that I do. Whereas where I feel like I made
a pretty good money man, you know, just breaking things
(03:31):
down and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I feel good about it.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I think if anything that I want to I want
to give back Matt to a lot of these legends.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
One of the things that Kevin Jackson, Kevin Jackson Olympic champion,
was our coach Olympic team, and after I won the Olympics,
I remember he told me this, and it meant the
world to me because you know the same reason why
I even said you a message in all shame with
John said, Hey, remember what Kevin Jackson said.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Legends always take care of legends.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So I always took that to heart because I get
it because it's like, you know, you being a champ, champ,
two time Olympian, like bro, like those those people who
have truly sacrificed, Like if they don't understand business, branding, sales,
like you got to be able to help them.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, they will take they will, they will get taken
advantage of a little bit a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
But I think sometimes people they just don't recognize so
they get put in. That's why you see a lot
of those like legends, they're just getting rolled out to
freaking they go sign some cards every now and again
when there's just so many more options out there. There
are a lot of things out there for people that
have done great things and if there's someone they can
call and go, hey, how do you get about doing that? Yeah,
you want to be that person that kind of guides
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them in the right way.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Exactly exactly that, because dudes, let me just think about
how many people are probably a little autographing that you're
talking about. Like, man, Daniel, you're able to understand your
ability to look I mean, you're gone a lot. Yeah,
but you're working and you're making money, you're providing for
your family.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Not everybody has that, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I feel like I'm taking it upon myself to be
able to you know, to give back to in that sense.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You know, one thing I read or I watched the
video what you said when you made the Olympic team.
You're celebrating and Tom terry Brand slapped you and said,
this is only a qualifier perspective, but it was perspective
you're everybody I know, like the next day.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You drop down to your knees. Ah, what slap the
shit out of you?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Perspective though, right, perspective keeping everything in line, knowing what's important,
the goals, everything out in front of you. How much
have those lessons been able to follow you through this career,
which ultimately have been just an unbelievable career. And I
don't like doing this, Like I don't love that that
we're talking career, career, career when you have a fight
(05:41):
coming up this weekend, which we will discuss. But it's like,
when you've done what you've done, I feel like we
have to lay the foundation for how big the moment Saturday.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Night is going to be. Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Man. I just think back and think of everything that
brands and Kevin Jackson, like it goes back to you ouhood,
going back to what it was like with my childhood
coaches and how I started wrestling, like the whole nineties,
Like when I first started wrestling, but I couldn't afford shoes,
like I was literally on sneakers. And then somebody, somebody
(06:12):
recognized me when my coach did, and he was like, man,
this kid is good. So he ended up giving me
his daughter's shoes, and dude, I dude, I would I
would legit be in my house because I slept on
the couch the majority of my damn life, and I
was just look at the shoe and just keep looking
at them.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And they were used.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, but there were miles like oh shit, I got
wrestling and there were Adidas, so I was like, dude,
these are awesome. Yeah, you know, just looking back at
all that, man, and even like getting stopped by Terry
right after I made the Olympic team, like that's you know,
I appreciate the adversity and everything that that I've gone
through quite honestly, man, because even getting poked in the eye.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Like it's taught me a lot of shit, man, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
It's giving me a lot of different emotions to where
I'm able to teach my kids one day to be like, dude.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's okay, it is what it is. It is what
it is. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It says simple as simple as that statement is, it's
kind of the truth. Like if you can live like Max,
like that's kind of like it makes it better. I
want you to talk to me about this, right you
went from the highly touted prospect to the champion to
now a guy that's fighting in his retirement.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Fight.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Talk to me about the differences of those stages in
the UFC where it blows, isn't it like you talk
to me?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, you had it right, dude. See, I wish I
would have been a little more love. He doe you
with data, but uh, yeah, it's a trip. You've always
had that relationship.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, And I think that's somewhere where I would I'd
always say, like I talked to Kamarady that keep it
like I kind of went off the deep bend if
I could talk, and shit, you know what I'm saying,
like doing the whole nine Dana ball, Like you know,
I get cringey, but I kind of like teasing the
boss a little bit, even though I respect the crap
out of them. And I think that's that's big man,
you know. And I think that's something that you're doing
very very well. And I tell the ship to tomorrow,
(08:01):
don't fight. Don't fight with the boss, don't fight with
the UFC man, keep it, keep it be like Daniel,
you know in that sense, but uh, being contender and
were not even contender, not being in the top ten,
Like I.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Don't like it, dude, I really don't.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And that's probably that's partially even why the reason why
I don't even want to be in it because if
to me, it's it's I have that Terry Brad's mentality
I had to sell as a kid man, it's all
or nothing, and I don't know if I want to.
I don't want to take my time to get back
to that title. Whenever he had a couple opportunities and
they ship the bet on both of them, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
And then you know, at this point when you're a contender,
it's like I don't have an option. I can't say no,
you know what I'm saying. Like, dude, Pain is a
friend of mine, the UC offered me, we got to fight.
It's the same thing in wrestling, Like dude, I thrust
with so many of my good friends. It's it just
becomes personal Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, But that that obviously sets you up for that
right that wrestling allows you to know that there's a
difference between friendship and business. Getting the Peyton Talbot, he's
young man, he's a young hungry kid.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And in most cases.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Henry right, when a guy is on his like on
his way out, the young guy gets an opportunity to
try to take the shine from him. When you get that, right,
when you get that, are you like, does it piss
you off? Because again, again you as the guy that
became the double champion, had to do that to people
and show them the door.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But again that's the journey, right. A shit goes in
a circle. Man.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
You go from the prospect to the champ. But when
you're going to become the champ, you got to get
rid of some of the guys that.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Were there before you.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Are you pissed off when you get that guys as
the opponent and go, no way he's going to boost
himself off of me.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Now, not really, bro. I kind of liked I like it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I like the pressure they had asked before about the
how what do you want your last fight to be?
I give you somebody young and hungry, like that's typically
how it is, and I NEI they're going to do that.
So I've already kind of manifested it too. I just
said I was going to be Peyton, which I kind
of had an idea too, Like I'm willing to say
yes to anybody, you know what I'm saying. So it's
it's part of the game. And I don't like it
(10:07):
to be quite honest with you, I don't. It's not
that I don't like it. I don't like being in
the top ten.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Like that's not me.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's not me, dude.
It's either one or nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You know what I said. When I retired, they said, well,
is this gonna be it? I said, well, I'm not
fighting for the belt anymore. Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, so you get it. And there's rarely like, oh,
you could keep going. I could, physically, dude, I feel good.
I had a great camp and whatnot, But it's just
not the drive of trying to become the best in
the world, knowing that what you have to do, and
then having young kids, it just makes it harder for me.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Can you can you train at the level you did before? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah I could, But I fell in love with the
content stuff kids.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
All that shit changes, man, you know what I'm saying.
It's changed for me.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
It's like, could I go back and become that dude
that was just eat, sleep and shit and train I
Kobe EVN and Islam. Like that's the stuff that makes
it harder, dude. Yeah, you know for me, because of
live freedom kids.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
There's a selfishness that comes with that. Also, Yeah, yeah,
I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was never really planning on fighting and having kids,
like I wanted to be done and you know, dedicate
myself to doing business and whatnot. But that's just not life.
Part of the reason why you do, why I did
come back was from my family. Yeah, it's like, I
want this lifestyle I'm doing and I make really good money,
but the lifestyle that you're trying to obtain for them
(11:32):
means more to me than than legacy. Yeah, you know
the same way.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
D is just no, No, it's the truth. It's the true.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean every we all we see in our in
our children what we hope we could be or provide
to them what we wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's that's me when I see in my kids, like
I just.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Want to give them better than I have, are better
than I had, And right now.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
We're able to do that. So it's like a win,
all right, guys.
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hundred gambler. So Peyton Talbot, he's a young kid that
has a ton of great striking, but when he struggled,
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he struggled with the wrestling.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It would seem like.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
A matchup that doesn't necessarily suit him. If you're able
to take him down, Yeah, do.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You see it that way?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Or I'm gonna have to stay tuned and watch, But
it's everything. It's I'm gonna wrestle, I'm gonna strike, I'm
gonna kick. I have to mix my fighting. He's a zombie. Yeah,
he loves too pressure, He does the whole thing. And
that also gives me opportunities as well too. So it's
not gonna. I can't shy away. I can't because once
these people get range here, you're just momentum going forward.
(14:12):
There's good people that know how to fight like Thatrob
is one of them. That's why I feel like if
Morob was to fight Umar, and I've told this to Umar,
stay in the damn center. If you watch my first
round with him, and I was moving latterly, very short,
but stay in the center, like you'll be okay. But
the moment he starts getting pushed back because of that pressure,
it's just and if you don't know how to fight
(14:33):
off your back feet, it makes it more difficult.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So I see the fight the same way with Peyton.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, I was talking to Captain Eric and he said,
this is a legacy that will go on forever. You
beat Peyton Talbot on Saturday, there's gonna be that drawn.
Maybe I can still do this, Maybe I can still fight.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like, how do you know?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Seriously, how I swear bro Most greats when they do
say this is it for me, they get a taste
of that sweet big because there's nothing like victory, and
they keep going like, how are you going to fight
that that that desire to come back? Especially when you
if you beat a kid like this.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I'm different, Daniel.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'm different in the sense where even when I retired
from wrestling, when I want the Olympics, I started hitting
the sport, I ain't even want to come back, but.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So many opportunities were given to him.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Just like, man, what am I going to make a
half a million dollars doing this this wrestling game? You know,
once I didn't make the Olympic team in twenty twelve.
I moved on, like I want to go back on
the man, I want to wrestle, not really even back
in if we even go back to twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I'm just different.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I've learned a lot about myself, knowing that I'm an
ultimate competitor, but I think I like to conquer more
than anything I conquer. I move on and I'm just
able to say that confidently and not have that itch
I question what I want to do it. But I
think it's you know, especially going through all the whole
damn parade, I was like, hey, congratulations, Yeah, Like that's
(16:02):
it for me. Say, Plus, I'm young, and the other
thing too is getting poked in the eye man Like, dude,
I want to leave this sport unscathed, or try to
leave the sport and scale much as you can.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
What was your greatest performance when you when you think back,
what was the greatest performance you ever had inside the octagon?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
The greatest performance is there's there's a lot mix. I
had a lot of great beating Demetris Johnson being the
dude that knocked me out in two minutes and thirty
six seconds to get in the rematch, him blowing out
my ankle peronal nerve, spraining my ankle in that fight
and still being composed that fuck you man, like I'm
(16:39):
not going out like this this time.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, and then getting them.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, obviously Dimetri is one of the he's He's
definitely a bond Rushmore eleven taud defenses. I think that
meant a lot to me too, because I was even
born and born like ten minutes from there. Yeah, you know,
I don't remember as a kid, but family members came out,
We had Uncle Mike there.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It was cool, man, I'll say that one.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
What do you what do you want people to remember
about Henry s Hudo? From the booze to the cheers,
to the cringe to the non cringe. What do you
want people to remember about Henry Shudo? Whenever saw said, yeah,
you guys fucking paid attention.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You hate or love me?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I uh, you know, I got to give credit to
a lot of people, man, you being one of them too,
obviously being a wwe you.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Know, loving the theatrics. I knew that. I was just like, man,
I'm a little different. I'm a little weird.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You know, like like just starting shit, ruffling feathers, getting haters,
but people will pay attention to you. So whenever the
camera does go on me on the UFC, like, I
appreciate getting booth.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's easier to get the booze and the winds and
it reminds you guy.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Fucking did it right. Yeah. I'm like, I'll go to.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Anywhere Miami, anywhere I'm getting bood. Brother, they put that.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Camera on my ass. You're like, cool, it's cool. It's
easier to get booze and cheers. Yeah, it's fun, man,
it's fun.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
In the beginning, I was trying to be more of
Jordan Burrows, all American guy, like you know what I'm saying,
clean cut, the Olympic stuff, Like I wasn't trying to
do this whole thing with David Joseph been a vitis
for the Ultimate Finals. I was trying to just fuck dude.
There's too many people watching that look up to me.
But then it was pretty cool to say fuck it
and uh and just be you. He let me be
(18:14):
even apple it up a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well it's been amazing, but Saturday it's a fight and
at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You got to win the fight to go out of
the right way. Yeah, exactly, and that's what it is.
It's that fight.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, it's a fight, guys interest Hudo fights Peyton Talbott
this weekend.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
The end of a legendary career.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But trust me, as a guy that has been there
to see it, it has been amazing to watch this
young man go from a kid, a child prodigy, to
an Olympic champion, to a two division UFC champion and
now to be remembered as one of the greatest fighters
of all time. Make sure you guys tune in, don't
miss Henry fighting for the last time inside the octagon
until next time. Like, subscribe, tell your friends, tell their friends.
(18:56):
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Speaker 1 (19:00):
Thank you, thank you, until next time. Peace. M
The volume.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
So who after all these years, after all these years,
if we finally got here, Yeah, it's.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
A trip, dude, right from that sixteen year old kid
at the training center, you know, and then uh fuck,
it's I've done a lot, bro, time. I'm actually surprised
that I've been in this game for this Damn.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Time goes fast.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Time goes fast, right, think back to me at sixteen,
get into the training center to think fast forward all
these years.
Speaker 1 (00:40):
It's like time just flies. Yeah, it really does, Bro,
it really does.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
There's a there's a song that in Brazil is called
the I Think It Sucks, called the Bullet Train, but
it talks about how life goes so quick before you
know it.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Dude, he got grades like d look at my face, dog,
Jesus Christ. Thank you for checking in, guys.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Henry Shuhudo fights to this final fight this weekend at
UFC three twenty three against Peyton Talbot. Henry is obviously
Olympic champion, former World champion in two divisions, has done
so many things. We've done this time and time again.
But I'm glad that you were able to stay with
me one last time. As you closed the chapter on
what is one of the greatest combat sports careers of
(01:22):
all time. Now I tell you this, I'm saying this
knowing that I've known you since you were sixteen. Yeah,
So this is not me just saying this as anybody
that just has interviewed you this week or will interview you.
I've seen the journey, and I'm saying that knowing that
whole journey.
Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yeah. One of the greatest combat careers I've ever seen. Man.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
Yeah, yeah, no, I appreciate you scene it, I think
because you know, because we came from that wrestling pedigree
to where, you know, winning the US Open, cutting all
that weight, going overseas, doing the whole nine like that
was to me, that's that's been the biggest even though
I was young at that time. But now that I'm
a little older, it's almost like I feel more.
Speaker 1 (02:06):
I feel like there's more gratitude.
Speaker 3 (02:08):
I'm able to say thank you to my coaches, my
training partners, like, hey, man, the time that you get
because you said it, you know, time fly, so like
the time that they leave from their families to be
with you. Yeah, it just it means it means a
lot to me, man, you know, I just been feeling
that shit.
Speaker 1 (02:22):
This whole week. Yeah, but like a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
It's sad, you know, you and your crime by yourself
like shit, because you know why, I think when it
starts to dawn on you that the one thing that
has been constant in your life is stepping across the
line from another person and competing against them, from wrestling
to fighting. You've always done that, and it's hard to
replicate that whenever you don't have it anymore.
Speaker 1 (02:46):
You can do business deals and you can do other.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Things, but it's hard to replicate that feeling of competition,
especially when that's the fire that burns inside of you.
Like when you think about Saturday night and you think
about the grad attitude and all of the the looking
back that you probably have been doing. How do you
anticipate what life will look like after is done?
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (03:11):
No, I if anything, I feel good about it. I
really do DC like I've been. You know, I'm in
real estate, so I own currently about fifteen properties. Always
I do the you know, Pound for Powell and that
it's it's it's great, man, it's you know, we're diversifi
And I also have my uh, you know, the concert
that I do. Whereas where I feel like I made
a pretty good money man, you know, just breaking things
(03:31):
down and whatnot.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
I feel good about it.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I think if anything that I want to I want
to give back Matt to a lot of these legends.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
One of the things that Kevin Jackson, Kevin Jackson Olympic champion,
was our coach Olympic team, and after I won the Olympics,
I remember he told me this, and it meant the
world to me because you know the same reason why
I even said you a message in all shame with
John said, Hey, remember what Kevin Jackson said.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Legends always take care of legends.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
So I always took that to heart because I get
it because it's like, you know, you being a champ, champ,
two time Olympian, like bro, like those those people who
have truly sacrificed, Like if they don't understand business, branding, sales,
like you got to be able to help them.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, they will take they will, they will get taken
advantage of a little bit a little bit.
Speaker 2 (04:16):
But I think sometimes people they just don't recognize so
they get put in. That's why you see a lot
of those like legends, they're just getting rolled out to
freaking they go sign some cards every now and again
when there's just so many more options out there. There
are a lot of things out there for people that
have done great things and if there's someone they can
call and go, hey, how do you get about doing that? Yeah,
you want to be that person that kind of guides
(04:38):
them in the right way.
Speaker 3 (04:38):
Exactly exactly that, because dudes, let me just think about
how many people are probably a little autographing that you're
talking about. Like, man, Daniel, you're able to understand your
ability to look I mean, you're gone a lot. Yeah,
but you're working and you're making money, you're providing for
your family.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Not everybody has that, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I feel like I'm taking it upon myself to be
able to you know, to give back to in that sense.
Speaker 1 (05:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
You know, one thing I read or I watched the
video what you said when you made the Olympic team.
You're celebrating and Tom terry Brand slapped you and said,
this is only a qualifier perspective, but it was perspective
you're everybody I know, like the next day.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You drop down to your knees. Ah, what slap the
shit out of you?
Speaker 2 (05:20):
Perspective though, right, perspective keeping everything in line, knowing what's important,
the goals, everything out in front of you. How much
have those lessons been able to follow you through this career,
which ultimately have been just an unbelievable career. And I
don't like doing this, Like I don't love that that
we're talking career, career, career when you have a fight
(05:41):
coming up this weekend, which we will discuss. But it's like,
when you've done what you've done, I feel like we
have to lay the foundation for how big the moment Saturday.
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Night is going to be. Yeah, no, for sure.
Speaker 3 (05:52):
Man. I just think back and think of everything that
brands and Kevin Jackson, like it goes back to you ouhood,
going back to what it was like with my childhood
coaches and how I started wrestling, like the whole nineties,
Like when I first started wrestling, but I couldn't afford shoes,
like I was literally on sneakers. And then somebody, somebody
(06:12):
recognized me when my coach did, and he was like, man,
this kid is good. So he ended up giving me
his daughter's shoes, and dude, I dude, I would I
would legit be in my house because I slept on
the couch the majority of my damn life, and I
was just look at the shoe and just keep looking
at them.
Speaker 1 (06:30):
And they were used.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
Yeah, but there were miles like oh shit, I got
wrestling and there were Adidas, so I was like, dude,
these are awesome. Yeah, you know, just looking back at
all that, man, and even like getting stopped by Terry
right after I made the Olympic team, like that's you know,
I appreciate the adversity and everything that that I've gone
through quite honestly, man, because even getting poked in the eye.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
Like it's taught me a lot of shit, man, you
know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
It's giving me a lot of different emotions to where
I'm able to teach my kids one day to be like, dude.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
It's okay, it is what it is. It is what
it is. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 2 (07:03):
It says simple as simple as that statement is, it's
kind of the truth. Like if you can live like Max,
like that's kind of like it makes it better. I
want you to talk to me about this, right you
went from the highly touted prospect to the champion to
now a guy that's fighting in his retirement.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
Fight.
Speaker 2 (07:23):
Talk to me about the differences of those stages in
the UFC where it blows, isn't it like you talk
to me?
Speaker 1 (07:30):
Yeah, you had it right, dude. See, I wish I
would have been a little more love. He doe you
with data, but uh, yeah, it's a trip. You've always
had that relationship.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Yeah, And I think that's somewhere where I would I'd
always say, like I talked to Kamarady that keep it
like I kind of went off the deep bend if
I could talk, and shit, you know what I'm saying,
like doing the whole nine Dana ball, Like you know,
I get cringey, but I kind of like teasing the
boss a little bit, even though I respect the crap
out of them. And I think that's that's big man,
you know. And I think that's something that you're doing
very very well. And I tell the ship to tomorrow,
(08:01):
don't fight. Don't fight with the boss, don't fight with
the UFC man, keep it, keep it be like Daniel,
you know in that sense, but uh, being contender and
were not even contender, not being in the top ten,
Like I.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Don't like it, dude, I really don't.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
And that's probably that's partially even why the reason why
I don't even want to be in it because if
to me, it's it's I have that Terry Brad's mentality
I had to sell as a kid man, it's all
or nothing, and I don't know if I want to.
I don't want to take my time to get back
to that title. Whenever he had a couple opportunities and
they ship the bet on both of them, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (08:35):
So that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (08:37):
And then you know, at this point when you're a contender,
it's like I don't have an option. I can't say no,
you know what I'm saying. Like, dude, Pain is a
friend of mine, the UC offered me, we got to fight.
It's the same thing in wrestling, Like dude, I thrust
with so many of my good friends. It's it just
becomes personal Saturday night.
Speaker 2 (08:54):
Yeah, But that that obviously sets you up for that
right that wrestling allows you to know that there's a
difference between friendship and business. Getting the Peyton Talbot, he's
young man, he's a young hungry kid.
Speaker 1 (09:07):
And in most cases.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Henry right, when a guy is on his like on
his way out, the young guy gets an opportunity to
try to take the shine from him. When you get that, right,
when you get that, are you like, does it piss
you off? Because again, again you as the guy that
became the double champion, had to do that to people
and show them the door.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
But again that's the journey, right. A shit goes in
a circle. Man.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
You go from the prospect to the champ. But when
you're going to become the champ, you got to get
rid of some of the guys that.
Speaker 1 (09:35):
Were there before you.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Are you pissed off when you get that guys as
the opponent and go, no way he's going to boost
himself off of me.
Speaker 1 (09:43):
Now, not really, bro. I kind of liked I like it.
Speaker 3 (09:46):
I like the pressure they had asked before about the
how what do you want your last fight to be?
I give you somebody young and hungry, like that's typically
how it is, and I NEI they're going to do that.
So I've already kind of manifested it too. I just
said I was going to be Peyton, which I kind
of had an idea too, Like I'm willing to say
yes to anybody, you know what I'm saying. So it's
it's part of the game. And I don't like it
(10:07):
to be quite honest with you, I don't. It's not
that I don't like it. I don't like being in
the top ten.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Like that's not me.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
You know what I'm saying, Like, that's not me, dude.
It's either one or nothing.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
You know what I said. When I retired, they said, well,
is this gonna be it? I said, well, I'm not
fighting for the belt anymore. Yeah, I'm done.
Speaker 3 (10:24):
Yeah, so you get it. And there's rarely like, oh,
you could keep going. I could, physically, dude, I feel good.
I had a great camp and whatnot, But it's just
not the drive of trying to become the best in
the world, knowing that what you have to do, and
then having young kids, it just makes it harder for me.
Speaker 1 (10:42):
Can you can you train at the level you did before? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:45):
Yeah I could, But I fell in love with the
content stuff kids.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
All that shit changes, man, you know what I'm saying.
It's changed for me.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
It's like, could I go back and become that dude
that was just eat, sleep and shit and train I
Kobe EVN and Islam. Like that's the stuff that makes
it harder, dude. Yeah, you know for me, because of
live freedom kids.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
There's a selfishness that comes with that. Also, Yeah, yeah,
I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
I was never really planning on fighting and having kids,
like I wanted to be done and you know, dedicate
myself to doing business and whatnot. But that's just not life.
Part of the reason why you do, why I did
come back was from my family. Yeah, it's like, I
want this lifestyle I'm doing and I make really good money,
but the lifestyle that you're trying to obtain for them
(11:32):
means more to me than than legacy. Yeah, you know
the same way.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
D is just no, No, it's the truth. It's the true.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
I mean every we all we see in our in
our children what we hope we could be or provide
to them what we wanted to be.
Speaker 1 (11:50):
That's that's me when I see in my kids, like
I just.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
Want to give them better than I have, are better
than I had, And right now.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
We're able to do that. So it's like a win,
all right, guys.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
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he struggled with the wrestling.
Speaker 1 (13:41):
It would seem like.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
A matchup that doesn't necessarily suit him. If you're able
to take him down, Yeah, do.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
You see it that way?
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Or I'm gonna have to stay tuned and watch, But
it's everything. It's I'm gonna wrestle, I'm gonna strike, I'm
gonna kick. I have to mix my fighting. He's a zombie. Yeah,
he loves too pressure, He does the whole thing. And
that also gives me opportunities as well too. So it's
not gonna. I can't shy away. I can't because once
these people get range here, you're just momentum going forward.
(14:12):
There's good people that know how to fight like Thatrob
is one of them. That's why I feel like if
Morob was to fight Umar, and I've told this to Umar,
stay in the damn center. If you watch my first
round with him, and I was moving latterly, very short,
but stay in the center, like you'll be okay. But
the moment he starts getting pushed back because of that pressure,
it's just and if you don't know how to fight
(14:33):
off your back feet, it makes it more difficult.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So I see the fight the same way with Peyton.
Speaker 2 (14:38):
Yeah, I was talking to Captain Eric and he said,
this is a legacy that will go on forever. You
beat Peyton Talbot on Saturday, there's gonna be that drawn.
Maybe I can still do this, Maybe I can still fight.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Like, how do you know?
Speaker 2 (14:53):
Seriously, how I swear bro Most greats when they do
say this is it for me, they get a taste
of that sweet big because there's nothing like victory, and
they keep going like, how are you going to fight
that that that desire to come back? Especially when you
if you beat a kid like this.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
I'm different, Daniel.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
I'm different in the sense where even when I retired
from wrestling, when I want the Olympics, I started hitting
the sport, I ain't even want to come back, but.
Speaker 1 (15:20):
So many opportunities were given to him.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Just like, man, what am I going to make a
half a million dollars doing this this wrestling game? You know,
once I didn't make the Olympic team in twenty twelve.
I moved on, like I want to go back on
the man, I want to wrestle, not really even back
in if we even go back to twenty twenty.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I'm just different.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
I've learned a lot about myself, knowing that I'm an
ultimate competitor, but I think I like to conquer more
than anything I conquer. I move on and I'm just
able to say that confidently and not have that itch
I question what I want to do it. But I
think it's you know, especially going through all the whole
damn parade, I was like, hey, congratulations, Yeah, Like that's
(16:02):
it for me. Say, Plus, I'm young, and the other
thing too is getting poked in the eye man Like, dude,
I want to leave this sport unscathed, or try to
leave the sport and scale much as you can.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
What was your greatest performance when you when you think back,
what was the greatest performance you ever had inside the octagon?
Speaker 3 (16:18):
The greatest performance is there's there's a lot mix. I
had a lot of great beating Demetris Johnson being the
dude that knocked me out in two minutes and thirty
six seconds to get in the rematch, him blowing out
my ankle peronal nerve, spraining my ankle in that fight
and still being composed that fuck you man, like I'm
(16:39):
not going out like this this time.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Yeah, and then getting them.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
I mean, obviously Dimetri is one of the he's He's
definitely a bond Rushmore eleven taud defenses. I think that
meant a lot to me too, because I was even
born and born like ten minutes from there. Yeah, you know,
I don't remember as a kid, but family members came out,
We had Uncle Mike there.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
It was cool, man, I'll say that one.
Speaker 2 (16:59):
What do you what do you want people to remember
about Henry s Hudo? From the booze to the cheers,
to the cringe to the non cringe. What do you
want people to remember about Henry Shudo? Whenever saw said, yeah,
you guys fucking paid attention.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
You hate or love me?
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I uh, you know, I got to give credit to
a lot of people, man, you being one of them too,
obviously being a wwe you.
Speaker 1 (17:20):
Know, loving the theatrics. I knew that. I was just like, man,
I'm a little different. I'm a little weird.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
You know, like like just starting shit, ruffling feathers, getting haters,
but people will pay attention to you. So whenever the
camera does go on me on the UFC, like, I
appreciate getting booth.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Yeah, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (17:37):
It's easier to get the booze and the winds and
it reminds you guy.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Fucking did it right. Yeah. I'm like, I'll go to.
Speaker 3 (17:44):
Anywhere Miami, anywhere I'm getting bood. Brother, they put that.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
Camera on my ass. You're like, cool, it's cool. It's
easier to get booze and cheers. Yeah, it's fun, man,
it's fun.
Speaker 3 (17:53):
In the beginning, I was trying to be more of
Jordan Burrows, all American guy, like you know what I'm saying,
clean cut, the Olympic stuff, Like I wasn't trying to
do this whole thing with David Joseph been a vitis
for the Ultimate Finals. I was trying to just fuck dude.
There's too many people watching that look up to me.
But then it was pretty cool to say fuck it
and uh and just be you. He let me be
(18:14):
even apple it up a little bit more.
Speaker 1 (18:17):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Well it's been amazing, but Saturday it's a fight and
at the end of the day.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
You got to win the fight to go out of
the right way. Yeah, exactly, and that's what it is.
It's that fight.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Yeah, it's a fight, guys interest Hudo fights Peyton Talbott
this weekend.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
The end of a legendary career.
Speaker 2 (18:34):
But trust me, as a guy that has been there
to see it, it has been amazing to watch this
young man go from a kid, a child prodigy, to
an Olympic champion, to a two division UFC champion and
now to be remembered as one of the greatest fighters
of all time. Make sure you guys tune in, don't
miss Henry fighting for the last time inside the octagon
until next time. Like, subscribe, tell your friends, tell their friends.
(18:56):
DC's got a YouTube channel and I'm checking in with
guys like Henry Shud Henri.
Speaker 1 (19:00):
Thank you, thank you, until next time. Peace. M
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