3 & Out - Sherrone Moore OUT at Michigan, CFP Playoff Debate, Zoned In - The Herd with Colin Cowherd

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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the news broke at about two point thirty in the
afternoon Arizona time, and uh Michigan has fired their coach,
Sharon Moore. I just saw a tweet that there was
a relaylationship with a staff member that they uncovered. AKA,
we were looking for a reason and we got one,
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we had recorded the podcast and then not long after
it goes immediately viral. It's probably going nuts right now.

(02:10):
A massive, massive news that Michigan has fired Sharon More
And the part that's crazy is because I saw a
clip of him talking about the Bowl game. So when
I just first saw the news, I'm like, God, that's
kind of weird. They would never have rolled him out

(02:30):
to talk about the Bowl game. Turns out he's getting
fired for cause for having a relationship with a staff member.
I don't want to guess. I would imagine potential who knows.
I don't even know if the guy's married or whatever.
My initial reaction is this, And I've heard a couple
of people say this about Lane. You know, at some

(02:54):
of these programs, if you're winning, you can do whatever
you want. But at the biggest programs, when they are
paying you a ton of money and they are paying
their roster a ton of money, especially a place like Michigan,
they're gonna watch you like a hawk, and if it
doesn't go perfectly well, they're gonna look for a reason.
It's like Cedric the entertainer used to say, I wish

(03:17):
a motherfucker would And I think when it starts going
less than ten wins, less than playoff bursts, you start
looking around like we want out of this. But you
know it wasn't bad enough where you could just pull
the trigger and fire a guy nine and three, Like
to me seven and five, maybe you just fire him
after the season nine and three you just signed, you know,

(03:39):
this star quarterback who obviously had an up and down year.
The offense didn't look great. You get completely worked by
Ohio State after the first couple drives. It was not
going well. You know. Last year kind of saved the season.
It did not go well either. They literally didn't have
a forward passing game, but they beat Ohio State. So
it took a ton of pressure off everybody that was

(03:59):
not the This year. People are obviously pissed off. A
ton of money is being spent on this team, and
I think it all gets back to they were looking
for a reason. And if you tell me and this
is I would say the same thing for Lane that
obviously Lane is much more accomplished as a head coach
at these places. When it doesn't go well, everyone in
the town talks. The university will fall. They will know

(04:22):
what's going on, and they will look. Now at these
contracts being big. I don't even know how much Sharon
was making. I mean, it's not like he was making
one million, but I don't think he was making ten.
They will want to get out and pay you nothing.
And I'm sure this thing's gonna get ugly. This, you know,
is only our old story. You know, I'm sure he's
gonna Sue or whatever. I mean, honestly, if you know,
based on the reports, this is one of those where

(04:44):
you like, you know, people aren't messing with you. Right.
It's one thing if you're Bobby Patrino and you get
into a situation was like, ah, Boby Patrino's got a
lead offensive coach, right. You know. Hugh Freees like, hey,
he's sleeping on hookers like you can score points? You know.
Sharon's like, yeah, are you an offensive line coach? So
this guy was given an incredible opportunity taking over for Harbaugh,
a ton of money behind him, and now the news

(05:06):
breaks that he's fired. Would not shock me at all
if they had been trying to figure out a reason
to get out of this, and now that they are,
if the wheels were already in motion, because this is
a massive job. I mean, if this job was open,
I think it would be considered right there with LSU
as you know, the top job. And my initial reaction
and this guy's lost some luster is you know, if

(05:28):
de Bor was mentioned at Penn State, you know, he
was at Washington a couple of years ago, you would
think he would be in the mix. I just don't
know how many options they have. This is the type
job that could get like NFL people interested, definitely NFL
offensive coordinators interested. But this is this was just a
wow moment, My guy Jackson, you sent the the tweet

(05:51):
I think from on three is Peter and Nacos do
Is that how you say his name? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:54):
Yeah, Peter Nacos, Pete Famill.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I'm speechless. I'm stunned.

Speaker 2 (05:59):
I mean, this is a guy that we said on
the show. I know you've talked about it. He was
the successor of Harriball because he was.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
The offensive coordinator.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
He was there with him, but I always felt like
it was just not the right move. He was kind
of like lots of days a goal didn't really aggressive
play calling offensively, the Oklahoma game, the Indiana game last year,
even though Ohio State game, We're gonna run the ball
down your throat, even though our best running backs are
both injured. This is a sticky situation, and I think
if you are in Michigan, you're right, Like if you
were to get rid of Shiro Moore, you have a

(06:28):
reason to.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I don't know where they go.

Speaker 2 (06:31):
I think of Bryce Underwood, the guy, the twenty million
dollar quarterback, and say what you want to say about him,
if he's good or not. Is he gonna stay? Is
he gonna go to LSU where he would originally was
committed to. Now with Lane Kiffen there would he even
want Bryce Underwood? It could get weird in Michigan. And
you're right, I mean, this is like the best job,
I would say outside of LSU if this was at
the beginning of the cycle, which they probably should have

(06:52):
fired him to begin with. But you're right, like, it's
tough to fire a coach that went nine to three
in his second year with a young quarterback. I'm just stunned.
I don't know where Michigan goes from here.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
In the nil era, you could argue it's an even
better job because the money they have, the money they'll invest,
the money they'll give you. You know, they view themselves
as equal to Ohio State. I'd give Ohio State the
nod there. But I was just looking like, what was
his record this year? Because I was like ninety three,
But then I look at seventy three. I was like, oh, yeah,
he got suspended this year, and you know it's this

(07:24):
and hit that suspension is lingering from what's his name
Conra Stallion's right, so it's it's kind of you know,
Jim was so good. He's there guy. They could handle
the weirdness. But I think the suspension this year, which
wasn't it a self imposed suspension Again, it's just hard
to keep up. I think Michigan wants one thing in

(07:47):
a weird way. They try to conduct themselves like we're
not lsu or like we're not as renegade, right, we're
much more kind of hot, notre dame. You know that
there's a pretentious nature, kind of an elitism to the way,
like we want to win natties, but we want to
do it the right way. And then they got hardboughties like, ah,

(08:08):
we just want to win natties. We don't care if
carnish Stallions. But yeah, this is a stunning But I'm
telling you, in this modern day with the amount of money,
and maybe it's always been like this, but as the
money's gotten big, unless you are Kirby Smart or someone
that's like an untouchable, you better be very careful about
what you're doing because people are watching and technology there's

(08:32):
so much on the line that it was nine and three,
but it was not a great nine and three. Right,
you get worked by Ohio State. I'm trying to think
who else they lose to this year?

Speaker 2 (08:43):
Oklahoma USC on the road they lost by eighteen at USC.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
Their passing game was atrocious, you know, and this guy,
he's an offensive guy, so I think they'd go. Let's
just assume you know better than me. Is he considered
like some elite recruiter, probably you know, former offensive linemen
at Oklahoma, Right.

Speaker 2 (09:03):
I feel like he relates to players. Well, I don't
know how good of a recruiter he actually is. Like,
I don't know if he's landing these guys that he's
talking to, but I feel like he's got good rapport.
I mean, him and Bryce Underwood had a good relationship.
Even though you want to say his offensive play Caln
wasn't great. Didn't really get Underwood outside and going, couldn't
even get him in a rhythm May.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Twenty million dollars. I have a good relationship with anyone.
I mean what that is true? That is true to me.
It's more I think you start looking like Ohio State's
way more dynamic than us. You know, Oregon, even if
they lose coordinators, are going to be dynamic. USC does
have a dynamic play caller, and like you said, they
just got they got blown out by two and a

(09:42):
half touchdowns. Yeah, this is he just gotta be careful.
And I would say the same thing. It's a higher
level version because Lane. We know Lane is dynamic at
what he does, scoring points, running the offense. But if
they had back to back years going nine to three
and Lane's doing what he's doing, you know, it's these
schools because these buyouts, you know, are just so mad,

(10:06):
they're gonna want ways to get out if it goes bad,
because nine and three to me is the old seven
and five now, right because you're missing the playoffs. It
feels kind of bad, and then getting blown out by
your rival. The other thing is they'd go, well, you
got to be very very careful. Also about hiring the
in house guy. It's you know, for every Ryan day

(10:28):
that goes pretty well, most of them are more Larry Koker,
most of them are more you can ride that and
that was back in the day when you couldn't transfer,
but it typically is more of this. And now I
just think you start thinking, like, who would they hire.
Dubor just comes to my mind because he was in
the Penn State Mix. He was at Washington. Kind of
feels like their type guy, but he's not. We talked

(10:52):
about this on when we recorded earlier. His teams aren't
that tough, and one thing they did do, like there
are certain programs that want kind of a tough version.
It's not really his thing, you know, I know you
texted Gruden. I mean, Gruden's got some red flags behind
him as well that you know. I don't know, But like, what,
who are their options? It's my thing, Like they're not

(11:14):
gonna hire like Matt Ruhle, They're not gonna get like
Mike Tomlin. So it's like who I don't know. I mean,
they'll call like the Dan Lannings of the world, but
they're gonna get nos. So who are they getting that
would actually leave their job? You know? Some of the
South like Dabbo obviously has been bad, but like he

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doesn't make sense up there. They've done the West Virginia
before with Rich Rodriguez. You kind of got to get
someone that fits that culture. I don't know who, really,
who their options are. I was looking on Twitter.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Brian Kelly's name is starting out there at Lincoln Riley,
but Lincoln Riley was tied to the Penn State job.
But to your point about the whole toughness factor in Michigan,
he's had a defensive issue his entire time he's been
there at USC. So it's like, I don't know how
his style at USC in Michigan culture, you can't hire
that exactly. And Lincoln Riley's also like out a little

(12:06):
bit of a fish out of water in LA He's
from Texas, like he's person Brian Kelly. I think you
could have hired in years past. I'd say two years ago,
if you were in this situation, hired Brian Kelly away
from LSU, it wouldn't have been weird at all.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Can you hire him now? No? You know, Jed Fish
is a guy who worked for Harbaugh. You know, like
I don't know not remember when ESPN did a show
and he was interviewing him. He was him Harbaugh and
Jameis Winston and he was like the crab legs thing.
Do you remember that like video that kind of went viral.

(12:40):
Jed was the guy sitting there. He has, you know,
coached at the program. I don't know if it was
one or two years, but I would imagine he would
be very interested in the job. But he feel like
his name was thrown around by media people. He's good
with the media. I don't know how seriously he was
taken in, Like it didn't feel like Florida was that
interested in him, right, he'd gone to Florida. So that's

(13:03):
just a name that is realistic, Like if they offered
him the job, he would go. But can they hire
Jed Fish? He is a more innovative offensive guy. Their
team actually was pretty good this year. They had a
bunch of injuries. That's a name I would say initially
that comes up as realistic, would be someone to kind
of keep an eye on.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
I'm trying to think of that. This is this is
incredible McCarthy.

Speaker 1 (13:27):
If he can't get I mean, would would he be
interested if he can't get an NFL job?

Speaker 2 (13:32):
Does Jeff have flee the defensive coordinator from the Packers
as he say, Hey, I want to come back to
the NFL and leave.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Can you hire Jeff Hafley? I I don't know if
you can. You know, I know, it's like I don't know.
That seems like okay, yeah, he said the Green Bay Packers,
I got a ton of talent. They give him Micah Parsons,
he doesn't hear it. Now. He's done a good job.
He's a good defensive scheme guy. But it's not like

(14:00):
you had any success as a head coach. Granted not
all his fault tough place to win. The defense is good,
there's no disputing that. But like you're gonna you're gonna
make him the head coach at Michigan. I would say
in twenty twenty five, Michigan is a top five college
job when you factor in money, and that's what matters
the most, right, I would say just in terms of finances.

(14:21):
You know, people talk about LSU being one of the best.
I think it's candidate, it's right there. If you know
Ohio State, Texas, I'd have Michigan in the top five
LSU Michigan. I mean Georgia is because of Kirby, but
I saw Georgia before Kirby. They were just always like
top fifteen. They're like, you know, the SEC's Utah.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
Any other guys that could I'm trying to think of
guys that would take this job because I'm assuming if
you're Michigan. This just happened. All the top guys are gone.
A group of five guys, especially all those guys are gone.
Do you do those guys though like they I don't
think no. I feel like they would have to go.
You'd have to go, like get Matt Campbell, what Penn
State did? You would have to go poach another?

Speaker 1 (15:05):
I think they would have hired him.

Speaker 2 (15:07):
Yeah, you're almost a week too late.

Speaker 1 (15:08):
If you're Michigan, I would say he would have been
a guy that they would have felt. He feels like Michigan,
Penn State that that would like to me, some are
all who's the best group of all the southern guys
or even Goalish, It doesn't feel like any of those
guys Michigan would have hired, right if they just had
if Sharon just sucked and gotten fired normally like that
group doesn't feel I do feel like one would have

(15:31):
interviewed Matt Campbell one million? Could you do you know?
In conference? Row the boat? I feel I don't know
if he wins.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
It would many would many Diaz get anyone.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think you can hire manydas you know you went
from Jim Harbaugh. I don't blame them for hiring Sharon
more and obviously this is is probably gonna get pretty ugly, Right,
this is gonna be He's not just gonna be Oh yeah,
just I'll just I just slept with her yet, just
take my money. Like that's not usually the way this works.

(16:04):
I mean, Brian, you could do worse than Brian Kelly.
I just think Michigan fans would puke in their mouth
because historically, up until like the expansion, Michigan, Notre Dame
was a big rival. Right, yeah, when did they stop
playing five years ago? But most of my life they've
played every year, right.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah, I think they're I think they're continuing like a
decade or so. They're trying to get those rivals together.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
I don't know what Brian Kelly's record was against Notre
or Michigan. It was probably pretty good because when he played,
when he played them, they weren't that good. Got Chad
GPT's pretty good against record versus University of Michigan. He's

(16:49):
two and four. Never mind, he was two and three
against him at Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
I feel like he yeah, he will never he will
never coach again, especially a big program like that. You
saw what LSU, the amount of talent they had with
Jane Daniels and even this roster this year, he still
couldn't win.

Speaker 1 (17:08):
If they were in this perjectamenting. I think Pat Fitzgerald
would have been a guy they would have talked to
for sure.

Speaker 2 (17:13):
Yeah, Brett Bieloma from Illinois, Like, is that another guy
that they boathed?

Speaker 1 (17:18):
Like you're talking about Big Ten? But this is what
this is the type guys they're talking to. This just
shows you they're in a weird predicament here, dilling him.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
I mean, if that's the final straw that gets in
the league, Michigan, I mean.

Speaker 1 (17:30):
He'd have to take that job. Yeah, I would. I
don't even know the guy. I'd get on the phone
tell him, like, Bro, you gotta you're crazy.

Speaker 2 (17:37):
Your quarterback just left. Tough to get anil money, tough
to recruit offensive line, defensive line, and your style of
coaching would work in the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
That would be a great fit. I think that the
people feeling the best right now gotta be Ohio State
in Oregon. I mean, I don't include Indiana though, given
the way they played, they deserve to be included. Like
you just like to see a team in shambles because
this they just I mean they I think they were
a top five recruiting class, even though I read that

(18:06):
recruiting classes like you don't sign a letter of intent anymore.
It's like a it's called something different now because again
the scholarship. You know before you had eighty five scholarships.
That's how you know you even if you brown bagged
them ten twenty k. Now it's like I'm giving you
a seven hundred grand. The scholarship is kind of an afterthought.
But you only have so many spots on your roster

(18:27):
based on the scholarships. This has to throw everything. Like
those guys that just signed, which I'm not a Rivals
dot Com guru, but I would imagine there are a
lot of guys that big time teams also wanted, and
that puts that in the fluck. So I mean when
you do, when you pull the trigger on a move
like this, it can really derail twenty twenty six, right,

(18:51):
So this they clearly just wanted out of the shrunk.
There's gonna be more information coming out about this situation
and sleeping with whoever. I just think that you just
want out of that business, right, And who knows, maybe
it's one of those situations like where he lies to you,
right because your first reaction is a guy when you

(19:12):
get caught doing something you was like, no, you learn
that from when you're seven years old with your parents
about like eating the last cookie or whatever. There are
certain things though that if you do lie and then
you try to come back like, yeah, I was kind
of dishonest, there's no coming back from that. And they
just saw themselves in a position where it's like, we
got to get out of this, and clearly they were

(19:32):
probably you don't pull this trigger like he's if they're
eleven and one is he fired today? No chance.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
No, they probably would hold it off till later, if anything,
if they have evidence or maybe even kind of I
feel like a lot into college football you talked, I
mean Coacho when we were recording about the whole money
in the bag out the back door.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
You can go to the front door.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
A lot of that stuff even if it does come
to be, but you have success put it under the table.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
He was a good example when it started getting weird
at LSU. You know, these weren't rumors. I mean, he
was just running around having a good time with some ladies.
Now I think they were, you know more, I don't
think they were. I don't know. If they were twenty,
they might have been thirty five. But he was having
a good time in town. These are small towns. Everyone
knows each other. But he had won them a Nattie

(20:17):
the greatest season of all time. And it's not like
they fired him for cause they just fired him. And
it was actually like the way coach O still speaks
about LSU is like glowingly right. He even admitted I
saw within the last month that he would go back
and coach on Lane staff if he was asked, which
doesn't look like it's gonna happen because they tried to
hire the D line coach at A and M I
think at LSU. But this is a unless the story

(20:41):
gets really crazy, like as you know, over the next
twenty four to forty eight whatever week, this is we
want out of this guy's business. And we've been thinking
this all season. I mean we were on group texts.
I mean, if you watch me, they're they're a tough watch. Yeah,
you know then they too much and I they had
some injuries, but I think when you pay that type

(21:03):
money for the quarterback, and I saw even Portnoy was
asked like what if you need to renegotiate he like,
almost renegotiate this this guy RROI didn't equal what he did. Now,
you could argue it's not all his fault. He's eighteen.
I get it. But we see a lot of the
amount of five star guys that never amount to anything

(21:23):
in college football that are on It happens all the time.
Dylan RelA Like, if I'm laying given what it would
cost to acquire this guy, I wouldn't pay. I would
get Sam Levitt. I I want to pass Lane just
went eleven and one in the SEC with a D
two quarterback. Why because Trinidak can pass right.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
He could get him too if he because he's trying
to get a waiver for another eligibility year. He could
get Shamblis or Austin Simmons.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
But yeah, exactly, I can just get a guy that
I know, like can run my offensive back. Like there
is no guarantee, Like there's like a fifty fifty shot.
This guy is always going to kind of look like this, right,
some talent, but just not great, Like there's no there's
just no guarantee. Just because you're a five star, you
make twenty million dollars, you're ever gonna be a good player,

(22:09):
and it's not Football is not basketball, right, like you
watch the kid at BYU or you know Boozer's kid
of Duke. Like in basketball, you know right away. Football
sometimes it starts to loow, like if you tell me
next year, Arch is way better, very believable. If you
tell me Arch always looks like this, also believable. You
have no clue at quarterbacks specifically other positions, is like, okay,

(22:33):
this guy's tough enough. We just need to get him
a little stronger. He needs to add like twenty pounds,
like okay. Quarterbacks usually like we hope, right, It's like
that in the NFL draft, Like I think for Nando
Mendez will probably be a good NFL player. I don't know,
maybe not. No one has any clue. And I'd say quarterback.
Look at receivers, you kind of know right away. I

(22:53):
think quarterback is just very it can be very, very risky.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Last name I'll throw you see Minor, the defensive coordinator
for the Charters. I know he might be up for
head coaching jobs, but he was a DC at Michigan.
Another guy that could maybe come back.

Speaker 1 (23:07):
That's not a bad name. I do think though, if
Michigan goes, we open up, this is our opportunity to
land quote unquote big fish that I think some of
these names, the mentors, they're just not I mean I
think now it's like, okay, let's go get a superstar.
Let's go get our Dan Lanning, Kirby, whoever. It's like, well,
who's that guy? If you if you tell me Jesse

(23:28):
Mintor as their next coach, you think, like Michigan Reddit
and their fan base is going to be fired up,
no offense. I mean, clearly he's really good. I mean,
I don't get me wrong, I'm I'm really impressed with him.
I mean, how long he was there? Two years? I
don't know. I my initial reaction and maybe I'm wrong.

(23:49):
I think they're kind of in a weird spot. But
I think their job so good. Like I mean, they
could do worse than Kaitlin do poor. But I don't
think hiring Kalind Borr as it would have been two
years ago would have been like hell yeah, and now
it'd be like are we sure he's that good? And
that's the business they're in. It's like things change as

(24:10):
you win and lose, But really we just judge your
teams and I'm a Deboor guy. All he's ever done
is one He likes to pass a lot more he
likes to run. And I think the one thing in
the Big Ten, even Ohio State, like their wide receiver,
You when do they not Okay, we gotta rush this
game one hundred yards? Like, look they have the two

(24:30):
guys last year. Immediately this Bo Jackson guy looks like
Bo Jackson two point zero. Like he's gonna be I me,
a kid's gonna be incredible, probably, right, I mean, think
how much better he will be next year, full year offseason.
He's a true freshman, right, And they just showed the
stat up during the game like they've had five true
freshmans hit a thousand yards and you're like, damn, that's

(24:51):
a list. It's like Maurice Corette Traveon Henderson, like it's
a pretty good list of sweet dudes. And you know,
you just look Michigan now, granted they're running back got
hurt this year, but like they're running back Blake Koram,
it has been hurt before, Like they you should have
like a stable of three backs and that that to me,

(25:11):
the Kalyn Debor thing would be he's more into passing
than running.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
It's like the flashy name, but it's not what the
fit of Michigan would want because I know Michigan fans.
I mean I've heard some on Twitter, and I know
I'm not a big finish for real more, you gotta
be kind of thrilled that, like okay, like there's a
reason that he's gone, But the timing of it sucks.
The timing of it is horrible. I mean, I think
they biff Biff for a year, like interim guy. I

(25:37):
know he's interim, but like you got, I mean you
also have time to like get a guy. I just
I don't have no idea who you would go out
and get with this situation unless they have a plan
that they kind of just drop this right now.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
I mean, are they still going to play in this
Bowl game? I mean, if you're texts right now, like
are they still committed? I mean this kind of throws
everything in the loop. Yeah, just just crazy, crazy story.
Want to hop on here and get something in though,
for sure on it. What a moment in college football, Jackson.

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(28:00):
I guess I text with you every day. But how
are you doing, buddy? I'm good man.

Speaker 2 (28:04):
If I would have told you in this college football
sport is just one of the more unpredictable years, one
of the more chaotic years. If I would have told
you in January, even August that Penn State and Clemson
will be playing in December, you would have been ecstatic.
But right now you know they're playing each other, but
seven and five, six and six, and they're playing in
the Pinstripe Bowl. So that's what tells you about how

(28:24):
crazy this year's been.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
You know what's funny is I this morning I was
doing something, And I thought, I have no clue who's
playing in any of the Bowl games beside because I
saw something on social media that Texas is playing Michigan.
But usually when the Bowl, you know, our entire life
up until I guess last year, a lot of ball
matches like, oh, Alabama's playing so and so it's like
it does show you that it's rendering. I had no clue.

(28:47):
It's Penn State and Clemson. Yeah, and I would imagine
especially for Dabbo, and he's gonna take that really seriously
because he can finish what eight and five? Yeah, I
think there are yeah seven and five right now?

Speaker 2 (28:58):
The finished eight and five horrible year even with Penn State,
like they barely beat Rutgers Terry Smith's f last game
as the interim head coach. Sure they got a lot
of seniors offensively, like Kate Troon, Allen, Nicholas Singleton, Iowa,
you got Iowa, Vanerbilt.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
We can start there on. Not bad. I mean, see,
that's the thing. I mean the Bowl games. People crush them,
especially Pete Vauqua, but there is an entertainment aspect for
the consumer, which is the second biggest sport in America
now college football. And there's also like for the kids
that play in the game, like we understand it, cam Ward,

(29:34):
Christian McCaffrey, Leonard Fourndatt. I mean, I'm missing one hundred guys,
but individuals are gonna get drafted high whatever. I don't
even care, but it's still entertaining to watch. If you're
a red shirt freshman or a backup special teamer at
Clemson at Iowa, like in a couple of years, you
could be a second round pick. Like these guys are
the you know Kate Tron Allen and these guys at

(29:55):
Penn State a couple of years ago, it's like they
it would have been their moment kind of shine is
whoever that version is Micah Parsons is leaving, sae Quon's leaving,
like that's usually where they explode on the scene. Now
I've also heard, and you know this being a college
football junkie, is coaches don't want to expose these guys.

(30:15):
It's why they all started canceling the spring game, right
because all of a sudden, it's like, dagn I'm gonna
I'm gonna give that guy a text message.

Speaker 2 (30:22):
Yeah, that kind of plays effected. That's actually a good point,
because the transfer portal's January second through the sixteenth, so
it's like this period we'd see a lot of guys
transfer out, and a lot of guys have already declared
they're hitting the portal, but technically they can't hit it
till January second.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
We all know there's tampering going on.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Most of those kids might even get signed like the
day of that first transfer portal game. So you're right,
and that kind of implies to we can transition to
this the whole Notre Dame conundrum. Obviously, them opting out
of a bowl game, being super upset, the eighties hit
temper tantrum at the ACC. I don't know where you
want to start with this. I know there's a lot.
Probably we want to go to the eighty because before this,

(30:58):
you and I probably are the same opinion. Obviously I'm
a Notre Dame fan, but it's just one of those things.
It's just been dragged out a long time, and I
get Notre Dame was upset, and it's the committee's fault
for having them ranked. I think they were tenth in Miami,
was eighteenth at November ninth, and now we see here
a month later, there out of the playoff. But what
do you make of this whole an athletic director. Notre

(31:19):
Dame just kind of in the spotlight this week for
the wrong reasons.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
That Notre Dame helmet behind you, Pete levaqu was sending
you that or so pretty.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
No, my dad got it, No, he did get I
will accept the helmet though, if they do give me one.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
I understand. You know, I would say Notre Dame fans
are all in agreement that they got screwed and are
very angry and are cool with not playing the game.
You know. I think Brady Quinn seen him tweet stuff.
I heard him on the radio this morning. He's adam
it that this whole thing is stupid playing in a
game and it doesn't matter. I couldn't disagree anymore. But
we will get into that in a second. There are

(31:53):
still a couple brands that I would say people A
lot of people hate, right Yankees. You know, I think
it's probably a little less now, but for a long time,
the Lakers duke basketball, and a lot of it has
to do with jealousy. Right. Part of the reason I
hate the Lakers is because when I was in junior
high in high school. They were incredible. They had Phil Jackson,

(32:16):
Shaquille O'Neil and Kobe Bryant and Phil Jackson Shaquille O'Neil
would constantly make fun of Sacramento. So it's like, fuck
you guys, right, you hate, but it was out of jealousy.
They were kind of right. Obviously Los Angeles and where
these guys lived. It was just cooler that Brian was
bigger that you know, but you hate them because you're
kind of not them, And I think Notre Dame definitely
was like that for an older generation, right, you know,

(32:38):
from Rudy to Joe Montana to the eighties, like they
were dominant program. You see these thirty for thirties most
of my life, especially my adult life of watching sports
since like the late nineties, Like they've been fine. They've
had some really good years, like the I think the
first Charlie Wist year, they were pretty good maybe first
or second. Obviously some Brian Kelly years and he's hateable,

(33:01):
but like their team isn't necessarily so I think they've
lost some of the luster of like, well everyone just
hates it. No. I actually think of most people that
are like under fifty fall in my category are kind
of indifferent, like if they're good, like it was fun
watching them last year. They have some really good players.
If they're bad, like whatever, not really paying attention. It's
kind of like Miami. If you're a thirty year old

(33:22):
college football fan, like you just turned twenty six, do
you remember Miami being incredible because in your life, guess
what they have not been. How old were you in
two thousand and one? What year were you born? Ninety nine?
So I was like two or three. You don't remember
ed Reid saying dominate because Joaquin told us to dominate,
Like you don't remember that day. But if I say

(33:45):
Ohio State, you've been like they've been dominant your entire Alabama.
So I think the college landscape has changed and they're
kind of holding themselves like we are. Like back if
you watch the Cowboys documentary with Jerry Jones, he used
to like piss people off with like merchandise and he
wanted higher percentages. It's like, but when you tell a
young guy about Jerry Jones, they just look at the Cowboys.

(34:05):
It's like, what's going on? Like it? So I think
they carry themselves in this pete Vavakua guy. And I'll
use the NFL as an example. There's a reason that
like during the season, Howie Roseman doesn't speak all the time,
Siriani is the guy speaking, or John Schneider will see
out the head coach. So it's like Pete Levaqua, I

(34:25):
get it originally, but like he hasn't stopped. He hasn't stopped.
And the Big twelve ad was like, yeah, it's it's
getting a little nuts, right. And this notion that the ACC, well,
if Miami makes the playoffs, the ACC makes money. They
split the revenue, right. I think they keep two shares
and they split all the other shares. Well, if Notre
name it made the playoffs, does the ACC get any money? No,

(34:50):
So someone sent me their schedule today. They play the
shittiest teams in the ACC. Next year they played Miami
that but that was a home at home, clearly, and
they get SMU at home. Lot of Boston colleges. It's
a lot of fight the fighting belichicks. And the other
thing is, by use a good example, they are like
Notre Dame, you know, a religious school, a school that

(35:11):
takes sports very seriously, and no one even questioned, like
should they have been closer in the mix with Notre
Dame to get in the playoffs because their best win
Notre Dame is best wins USC Right, well, bi use
the best wins Utah is a Utah's ranked tier who's
BYU second best win Arizona nine and three? Like, if

(35:35):
Notre Dame had that on the resume, they would never
shut up about that if they beat Utah and Arizona.
So I think, like, listen, did ESPN to play with
your emotions through the ratings because that's a big talking point,
right probably? Yeah, every time I look up the first take,
they're talking about the Cowboys. Every single at the gym
in the morning, they have it on a TV that's muted.

(35:56):
I would say ninety percent of the days that if
I peek up, if I'm on the CARDI equipment, it's
Steven A's face, a couple other guys faces, and the ticker.
What they're talking about is the Dallas Cowboy symbol, Jerry Jones,
Dak Prescott, you know whoever. Yeah, it's part of the business.
You're a big grant, you do big ratings. But this
notion that ESPN campaign, Well, if NBC had the playoffs.

(36:18):
What would they have campaign for. Of course we're all
in business with somebody like Notre Dame. You're in business
with yourself to keep all the money. So I just
think this whole thing is kind of jumped the shark.
And one thing I will be adamant about. I don't
know where you stand on this, but now playing in
the bowl games fucking embarrassment. It really is. And I
have a lot of respect. I love Clark Lee's comments yesterday.

(36:41):
I didn't see them, but someone sent me that I
get start kind of reiterated something similar. But this is
a football program. So yeah, Pete Bavaqua, you're into the
business element of it all and trying to you know,
give it to you know ESPN, And you know Marcus
Freeman be like, well, the committee said we don't want
to play without our guys. It's like, well, Mark, you're

(37:04):
the boss. I bet guys said things to saying and
urban Meyer over the years that like, coach, we want
to do this. You know, he says no. It's like
I'm about to have a child. He's gonna want something.
Because I was like this as well, where I'm gonna
have to say no. And I just think it's one
hundred the wrong decision to not play football. You're a
football program and you're young guys, and let's face it,

(37:26):
I don't know if this factor didn't when they made
their immediate decision, but I would imagine a large percentage
of BYU's team does not drink so at a bowl game.
Most of these college football programs, if they're not in
the playoff, are gonna be partying, especially the first three
or four days. It's a big advantage for BYU. They're
gonna take that game very seriously. And if you're Jeremiah

(37:48):
Love and all these guys clearly wouldn't play, and you're
playing random guys that just haven't played that much, you
would be It might not maybe look like Colorado, because
I would imagine Notre Dame has better backups, but you
could lose fifteen points pretty easily, right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (38:03):
I saw the list of guys that would have opted out,
either opted out or injury.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
It was like twenty eight guys.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
Obviously, Jeneri On Price, who was the second running back,
looks like he's gonna go to the NFL Draft because
of that running back class outside of Jeremiah Love, he
might be the second running back off, so you dock
those two guys, then you have some receivers. But it's
like Notre Dame guy. Everyone does it. Everyone deals with
opt outs, everyone deals with injuries. And to your point,
like why not play those second string guys and kind
of like hey, like show the committee what you have

(38:29):
for next year, Like twenty twenty six, you get a
young quarterback, it was his first year. Like, I just
I agree with you. I think initially I was on
the side of emotional decision.

Speaker 1 (38:37):
You're bummed out, which I can't.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Believe they didn't have a plan B of might be
the chance that we don't make the playoff.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
We're independent.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
If we take Alabama out, it's gonna ruin conference championship
games you talk to the other day.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
SEC championships are like the super Bowl.

Speaker 2 (38:50):
In the South. So we take them out, that's gone.
We take Miami out, and I know Notre Name fans
and Notre Name is pissed because the ACC network they
played Miami Notre Dame for like eight straight hours just
to rerun over and over again on Friday and Saturday.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
They beat you and it was week one.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Maybe you got to reschedule, like come back and say, hey,
we got to schedule A and M mid season. We
can't have it back to back weeks and have our
schedule look like this, And then you even talked about
next year, their schedule looks worse, like do they have
to go to agreement with the ACC and want better
opponents in the AEC and citizen them saying hey let's
grab Boston College, Syracuse to North Carolina And I told
you that point, You're like, well, Jackson, Notre Dame wants

(39:28):
to play those teams. So I think like they have
to have to come up with some kind of like
method or and in fairness, beside Miami this year or
anyone that they would have played in the SEC is
not that great. Yeah, yeah, because I mean as of
right now, ten and two didn't get you in eleven
and one North Northern Illinois, your lost got you in
now the exception next year and what we can talk
about this too about are they going to expand? Like

(39:50):
should Notre Dame be independent? Where the playoffs going right now?
I don't really think Notre Dame has to join a conference.
I think they could continue to be independent because it
looks like it's going to go to sixteen. Maybe they
try to go reach out to a Big twelve or
a Big ten if they are so mad at the
ACC and not have that partnership. But I mean, what
are your thoughts about that independency, Because then there's another

(40:10):
rule too that next year if they are they do
go twelve teams, that if they're ranked in the top twelve,
they're automatically in. And it's like a wrinkle that a
lot of cool schools are like, WHOA, I didn't know
they signed it, but it was agreed on when they
expanded it to twelve teams.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
I'd be said, if there's not sixteen teams next.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
Year, it feels like it's going that way. Yeah, it
feels like it is a couple.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Of things that from the Notre Dame standpoint, because I
had someone DM and me we post a social video.
It's like, you're just reiterating all the same points. I
thought you were better than that. It's like, well, I
agree with a lot of these people what they're saying.
Notre Dame, like Notre we helped save the ACC. Yeah,
but you're not in their conference. They have an agreement
with you, right. It's like if I have a business partner,

(40:54):
and we do business with a third guy, but he's
not a partner in what we're doing. I am going
to take I am going to be more loyal and
focus more on this guy. If push comes to shove,
then the third guy, Notre Dame, you would not have
shared your revenue if you got it. It was lucrative
for Miami to make it. And again they beat you.

(41:16):
So I think we if it was flip flopped, no
one would even argue this Notre Dame would be in
if Notre Dame would have won that game, right if
it was just flipped and they had the same record.
But I also seen that, like the ACC was short
sighted because big picture, you want to keep Notre Dame
very involved. And I'm not disagree with the ACC is

(41:38):
not going to exist from a football standpoint in the
next ten years. We've already seen their top dogs desperately
wanted out. And let's be real, why would Notre Dame
do a deal with the ACC and not the SEC
or not the Big ten because would those teams turn
them down? Of course not right that they would want to,

(41:58):
you know, get in business with it's easier, it's easier
the ACC. No one would even argue is the easiest
of the four. Imagine if like, well, we got we
got you know, Utah and BYU this year, their schedule
would look a lot better than if it was Utah
BYU K State. Honestly, they're planning the Big twelve teams,
it would legitimately look better. But obviously there are a

(42:19):
lot of financial decisions for Notre Dames that they are
a cash cow, and I think it's inevitable where we're
going is like a two tiered system where the non
power four kind of plays themselves, but the top is
just going to be like kind of the North versus
South in however, you know, La is definitely the South,

(42:40):
but it's going to be involved with the Big ten,
and then from Texas over to Florida with the Carolinas
will include whoever the best you know, ACC teams are
and that's what's inevitably going to happen, and then everyone
will in a weird way kind of be independent or
part of your conference that it is like the NFC
or AFC, but Notre Dame kind of put themselves in

(43:02):
this predicament doing with it because they don't do it
in basketball, right, Basketball is in the ACC. And if
this wasn't the same thing, if their basketball team was
like on the fence for the NCAA tournament, the ACC
would have gladly supported them, right because they're in business
with them, like full business, not like a little side
scheduling agreement. Right. So, I I don't know. I just

(43:22):
think the ad like one people don't respect administrators just
in general, Like I would imagine the casual fan thinks
most of these ads and presidents when it comes to
like the football thing, it's like, you guys get destroyed.
It's a talking point. Jimmy Sexton works these guys. Yeah,
so it's like Pete Bleavaqua. I get it. You were
ran NBC for a decade, like no one gives a shit,

(43:44):
bro Like no one cares. And if I'd be like
if Marcus had consistently done this, but he wouldn't because
he knows he would look bad and kind of look
like a puss. And I think if you just went,
let's just pick like five of the top coaches in
the country, Kirby, Ryan Day, Dan Lanning, he just kind
of went around. Hell, I even Lane, do you think
any of these people would not play a Bowl game?

(44:06):
I think you would get skewered in the in the
SEC if you were an incumbent coach. I give you
a I understand if you're coaching staff's leading new coaches
coming in. It's a lot going on. But like just
Kirby smart Ha got nine and three and missed or
Sarky got nine and three and missed and just quit.
I think people are like, what are we doing? But
he wouldn't because he knows like it's a big deal
to play another game. But they think like ESPN screwing

(44:28):
them or something. I don't know, I mean, and I
get how you think that, but it's just exhausting.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
To your point about Dan Lanning a couple of years
ago when when they lost the PAC twelve Championship to Washington,
they played in the festival against Liberty. So how do
you even get your team ramped up for fifteen practices
when you're gonna when you're gonna smack Liberty. So like,
day's your point about the credit, Like these guys want
to continue to play games. I think the future of
Bowl games is definitely going downhill, but I do love

(45:08):
that some teams are still wanting to play. Some teams
still want to be around their guys, and it's unfortunate
for Notre Dame. To your point about You've met a
good point earlier about the SEC when they played Arkansas
ten am game one of the more viewed games, and
at the time, I know Arkansas is not great, but
like it was viewed as I mean, you USC pit

(45:29):
Arkansas is probably like their third best win because it's Arkansas,
it's SEC. They do play some teams tough, so it
gets kind of respected. But for Notre Dame and their
independency moving forward, like their schedule is horrible, They're going
to have to hope for the next coming years that
North Carolina has a good season. That's somehow Syracuse are
all these other opponents that are good, so they get
a ranked win. Because last year was the same sequence

(45:50):
where they lost to NIU and then maybe becomes ranked,
Army becomes ranked. I don't know if that ultimately helped
them go through because I think it was pretty evident
that even though they lot that game to NIU, the
A and M win, they looked like one of the
top twelve team was kind of an easier run for
them to get in versus the tenant two.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
I would say most years, though ten and two Notre
Dames a lock. It was a very unique circumstances with
the two and I And again I haven't watched everything
people Vaka has said, but it's so much time about
the ACC in Miami. He should be abliterating Tu Lane
in Jam you obliterating that scenario. And he's spending so
much time on I mean, a partner of his and

(46:30):
I've never heard him mention those two teams he he.
If I was him, I would come out and say,
it is an embarrassment that these programs are top programs
in the country, including ourselves, make all the money for everybody,
and we're letting these two guys in, even even if
we're gonna let one but two of them. And he's
spending so much time about a CC. And that's why
I think the big uh I forget the big twelve

(46:53):
commissioner's name, but he was like, it's your mark, your mark,
just let's stop. I would have more respect if he
just constantly crushed the little guy. But he's just spending
so much time on Miami. And it's not even Miami.
It's this the ACC, which again they wouldn't profit if
you got in and Miami got left out.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
I would have been more mad of the fact that
Miami didn't make the a SEC Championship game and somehow
Duke got in, because that screwed That screwed you from
the minute that that was gonna end up happening. If
Miami goes to the AC championship game, they win the conference,
you're both in. So I don't know how the hell
that the seven and five duke with all the tie breakers,
and I get it most of those losses were out
of conference, but I think that I would be more

(47:35):
pissed about than the whole social media thing, like you
imagine the AEC posting Notre Dame. Everyone's been like huh like,
and this.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Really bothers me because we're in the business of the
internet business. I've been social media, I guess has been
a huge part of my career indirectly. But I would
also say that, like, especially in twenty twenty five, it
doesn't if you're getting caught up scrolling comments, especially negative comments,
you're wasting your time. It is not the real world.

(48:03):
People talk on social media unlike they would talk in
real life unless you're a puff Daddy puff or excuse me,
fifty cent fifty cent lives like people talk on social media,
but he's actually does it in real life and smiles
about it. But most people, like I think most people
that are really angry or post crazy stuff about it.
You go sports, you go politics. If you just met
him in real life, probably like us. I mean, obviously

(48:25):
there are some nut jobs, but the overwhelming majority of people,
because I would probably be like this too if I
just sold insurance, if I just sold insurance and love football,
I would. I might have a fake name on my
Twitter account and I would just be blasting people left
and right. It's like it's funny, Like I don't even
I think that happens a lot too. And this guy's

(48:45):
like everything I've seen on social media is like, bro,
you sound like a fucking late guy, a guy in
his fifties who doesn't understand none of that matters. Now,
if you want to point specifically to people on the
panel at ESPN that you think are taking money out
of the table, whatever, Okay, that might have some valley.
I will listen to that. But once you start bringing
up social media as someone that lives in that world,

(49:06):
I'm out, like you're an idiot and I think that's like,
come on, man, and maybe sticking up for his players
because they kind of see it a lot. But I
think that that's embarrassing. I mean, it really is. I
also just get back to I just can't imagine many
coaches not like I just think it was a moment

(49:27):
for Marcus Freeman to be like, we're playing. If you
don't want to play, your injured or opt out obviously,
but cool, but we're playing in a game and we're
gonna practice and we're gonna run this program. And they didn't.
And I just think it's I think it's an embarrassment.
I really do, not playing the game because you're a
football program. Okay, people, Vaka was getting bad at it,

(49:49):
that's his problem. But if you're Marcus, like you're not
caught up in that. You're also in the recruiting business.
It's more you're just you're just gone now till what
August thirty. First.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
I don't even think it's good for the fans to
even the donors, like I get like the pops were like,
oh like this the Pop Tart Bowl, which out of
all the ball games, I think the Pop tar Bull
is pretty entertaining. It sucks that they didn't make the playoffs,
But to your point, yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
It's it's two of the best teams in the country, right.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
Yeah, and you're on ABC on the whole agreement with
the AC network and stuff like that probably led.

Speaker 1 (50:21):
To it's just an overall and emotion. Is that part
of it? It's the ACC team. Yeah, I mean it's
technically Notre Dame is like the best representative from the
AC is Like, did Virginia take their spot? It was
Georgia Tech.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
So Georgia it's a feeder for Okay, so they so
that's why they're I kind of got I didn't quite
okay that even it's like too caught up in all
this BS and if I'm Mark, I'm not.

Speaker 1 (50:47):
Cut up in any of that. And I tell the AD,
I get why you're mad, but no, we're playing because
by you had nothing to do with that, because you
got to like hobnob with some a SEC representatives at
the function, which you do. I mean, but I don't know,
just a weird situation.

Speaker 2 (51:05):
The next one we talk playoff, we talk at expansion
them a little bit. Do you think sixteen teams will
solve the issues?

Speaker 1 (51:11):
How do they fix the CFP.

Speaker 2 (51:13):
It seems like an argument every year, and you know,
we're here again, a new second year of the twelve
team already talking about sixteen teams. I think we're pretty
we both agree that it's gonna happen. It seems like
it is, especially when they postpone. The decision is gonna
be I think late January instead of it supposed to
be December. I'm for it more football, but obviously if
you get to sixteen, it feels like we're gonna have

(51:34):
more problems somehow.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Isn't that what D one double A is. They're twenty four.
That feels like a lot. Twenty four is a little
too much. Yeah, twenty four is a lot because you
get double buys and that sometimes too right.

Speaker 2 (51:47):
Yeah, it's like eight teams get buys.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
Yeah, so I twenty four feels extreme. Sixteen probably feels
just right. I also think you kick out the non
Power four teams and the conference championship games turn into
playing games for the four conferences, so you can still
do you know, basically a conference champion is crowned in

(52:09):
the regular season. Problem is you'd have to do some splits,
probably right, because the conference is so big, you don't
play everybody. If I finished eleven and one, do you
finished eleven to one, or like ohiuse State Indiana, they
would have co split it, which I think used to
happen to a lot of smaller conferences because like the
Whack and Mount, some of these conferences ten years ago
didn't have conference championship games. They've really been added for

(52:32):
ESPN right or Fox because it's television, which is cool.
PAC twelve forever did not have a conference championship game.
And yeah, I mean, I think where we're headed is
some playing elements which actually would feel a little bit bigger.
I have a lot of respect for Notre Dame or
excuse me, not Notre Dame Ohio State, but I don't

(52:56):
disrespect them. I enjoy it. I enjoy watching their team
play in Indiana. Neither of them needed to play right,
neither of them needed to try hard, and they played
that game really really, they played that game like it
was a play in. Ryan Day definitely did win and
kick the field goal. He's just trying to keep his
head above water. But I do think that some of

(53:17):
these games lose a little luster where if you're like, hey,
it's Utah and Arizona winners into the playoffs for the
thirteen fifte you know, fourteen, fifteen and sixteen. It's like
Texas Vanderbilt winners in Oh this year the Big Ten
would be a little hard like USC vers who Iowa
or something like that. But I think that's where we're

(53:37):
inevitably headed. I'd be stunned in twenty twenty six, there's
not dramatic changes. And the committee, you know, Mike Lombardi,
I don't know if he's a great college GM clearly
kind of struggling, but always had a great line on
this podcast that they've never built a monument for a committee.
And I do think the committee you got to find

(53:58):
a way to like get out of this world, you know,
all these other sports, like no one tells you who's
in the Major League Baseball playoffs. The records do same
thing with football, and if they can get away from
this group of however many individuals in this room. And
then Hunter your check and I know he was kind
of put in last because the Baylor guy like attacked
a player or something. Well was that story that was weird? Now? Yeah,

(54:19):
so it's he's not answering questions, it's just kind of weird,
Like you just need to get away from the imagine
if we had that in the NFL, right, a committee
and I just think people, I get it's television show,
but you just got to get away from just subjectivity.
But you'd argue that the history of college football has

(54:39):
always been people picking Forever. It was like someone just
voted on who was the national championship. I mean that
changed in my lifetime. And then they've gone to four teams.
What was that like twelve years ago?

Speaker 2 (54:53):
It would be weird if they had the conference playing games.
Would you just judge your conference champion on the or
a seasonal where they leave.

Speaker 1 (55:01):
That's what I'm saying. We like that way. While State
Indiana would be split it you wouldn't play the game
because they would say yeah. But then you get subjectivity
over if there are five teams for four buys, maybe
you get more buys. I don't know. Again, it just
becomes it's always people voting on this. So I just

(55:24):
have it happened on the field. The thing with the
conference championship games, if you go to sixteen, like both
teams are always going to be in, so it's like,
what are you playing this for? Right?

Speaker 2 (55:36):
Yeah, and you're looking at Oregon this year, they're probably
glad they're not even in the championship game because their
run looks a lot better versus Ohio State or even Indiana,
Like you gotta play Madison and you got to play
Texas Tech, and then you got an Indiana team that
could be banged up against Oklahoma or Alabama coming off
a three week by Like that's what's interesting too about
this is last year we had the straights, no straight seating.

(55:58):
Was the conference champions This year a straight seeding, so weird.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
I think the problem could be in one of these
conference championship games if you're in a situation like Georgia
or Alabama or Ohio State, Indiana where they're vote. You know,
Alabama was knew they were in, they were tending to
they were not going to kick a team out in
the conference championship game, especially in the SEC. What if
they had a bunch of injuries and they're like, we're
better off not playing this game. Giving these guys a

(56:25):
couple of weeks and a team just doesn't play. They're like,
we're just not playing because we know we're gonna play
here in fifteen days. We don't want to risk more
injuries and we need like a bye week right now.
And that to me is you would know if it's
Vanderbilt Texas, you would never Obviously they're both going to
play because they're going to try to get the fourteenth seed.

(56:46):
Now you could argue both those teams will to be
in in this scenario. But again, it's complicated. But this
whole college football is always really complicated with this where
the NFL is like, I don't know how it feels
so much easier they expand the playoff and its just
like no one even complains. It's like you're just you
know when you're in, you know when you're out.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
Yeah, I always I don't know if it's because we're
I'm oldie in the sport and obviously been falling college
fotball for a while. I still think it's a big
deal to win your conference, but I know it's not
a big deal in terms of the playoffs.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
It's not anymore. Though, It's not anymore like Oregon didn't
win their conference. They did last year, and I mean
it feels like, I mean, it would be one of
the biggest upsets in the history of college football. They're almost
guaranteed to be in the exact same spot with actually
an easier route this year than they were last year. Like,

(57:33):
what did they get out? Now? They got to say
they're Big ten champs, And there's some like that Indiana
game mental lot to Indiana because they've i mean essentially
never been in Big ten champs right back in football.
But I don't know if winning the conference championship game
with the playoffs has the same you know, validity. Like
Ohio State Michigan, it was really important for Ryan Day

(57:58):
to win the Michigan game. It was much more important
in a weird way for him to win that Michigan
game this year. Like if you could choose, would you
have rather would they have still been into the championship game.
I'm not sure they would have been if they would
have lost to Michigan, because Oregon would have been in. Yeah, right,
But let's just say hypothetically he still would have been
in if he if he could lose one of those games,

(58:19):
He's picking the Indiana game and win the Michigan game. Right.
So It's that's the thing with college football. It's like
some games just matter more.

Speaker 2 (58:27):
It's like even camen of boards who with the Iron
Bowl rivalry games feel like it means more than the
commerce championships. It's just I wonder if the commissioner is, like,
if you're Greg SANKI, could you fully buy in of
removing the SEC Championship or PU Teddy removing the Big
Ten Championship and having those as playing games. Would you
still have the same show up? Would it still have
the same raining. I know would have the intensity and
the importance of a playoff game. But I just wonder

(58:49):
if those commissioners, like would would they fully buy in, like, Hey,
we're gonna we're gonna leave the championship games. We're going
to play playing games. We're just gonna see how that goes.
Does not agree like Texas Vanderbilt or one of these
playing games, because I wouldn't.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Wouldn't the playing games.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
They'll go through the playoff versus the individual conferences or
with the conferences I guess have their own playing games.

Speaker 1 (59:09):
I don't know. Maybe that's I don't confusing. I'm not
Josh paid. I don't want to be the commissioner here.
The problem is you have all these different entities. Everyone
has different ideas. Some of these entities are in business
with once in NBC, in peacock, someone in Fox, someonere
with ESPN. You got you got too many hands in
the cookie jar, and no one's rolling in the same
direction beside the conferences look after their own as they should.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
That leads us to the next question. Biggest problem in
college football is it the calendar, the playoff, or no leadership.
It feels like and I saw Kirk Kirby Street and
Joey Gallwa have a podcast NonStop or whatever they have
Mario Crista Ballan and they asked him, They said, you know,
if we want to adjust the playoff or adjust the calendar,
That's what they said.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
The calendar, who do we talk to?

Speaker 2 (59:59):
And Mario is like in his head, like I don't know,
inca blade, they don't do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
My question is when they say the calendar in the NFL,
they can create their own calendar because there is no
go to school. There is no academia. There's just football.
There's no student athlete or athlete student. You're just football
football football, right, you do as of now connected to
the university, right, and your kids in theory go to school,

(01:00:27):
so you're based on the academic calendar. So I think
changing the calendar around. What does that even mean, like
move the portal till the spring or something. Okay, but
they moved the portal last year right back a little bit.
But you can't have the portal in like February because
school's already started. Yeah. Now, one thing that's clear is

(01:00:51):
there are zero requirements as an athlete to transfer. I
could have a zero point zero at my school and
if Vanderbilt wants me, I go to Vanderbilt, which didn't
used to be the case. So you could argue none
of that actually matters, and you can put it wherever
it's like. So what he shows up in the middle
of the semester. Who cares? So I because no one

(01:01:13):
wants to get it sued. So yeah, I mean there's
no individual to do that. They're not all under the
same umbrella, right. That's the thing with the NFL, like
everyone Roger Goodell, all the owners are all under the
same umbrella. Like the ACC and the Big Ten have
different views on things. So that's where it gets really complicated.
I don't have a good answer. I don't think there's

(01:01:34):
a great solution until they all get into business together
and pool their money. But that's where it gets difficult
because this is what Notre Dame's argument is. We're bigger
than basically every school beside a handful, so why would
we ever split revenue with the shitty programs. It's like
Ohio State's like, do you know how much bigger we

(01:01:55):
are than every university from a football standpoint in this conference?
Besides maybe like three? Like why are we giving money
to Maryland and Rutgers with in Alabama? Who's the highest
rated team in the SEC? I saw stat like they
have to give money spread money to Mississippi State. But
that's part of the deal. Like that's the strength of

(01:02:15):
the NFL. Jerry and the forty nine ers and the Packers,
like they are more important at the television revenue which
pays for everything than your Cardinals. But the Cardinals get
the same amount of money as the Philadelphia Eagles. That's
the power of the business, the unity and everyone gets
super rich. But that's the problem in college football. People

(01:02:36):
kind of want to hoard and not everyone's It's just
it becomes very common. Why because you have more and
more people. The NFL only has thirty two teams. I mean,
how many teams are there in the Power four? Right?
There's eighteen teams in the Big ten. There's how many
teams in the SEC sixteen or eighteen? So I mean, boom,
you're already way past the NFL on the two conferences alone.
The accs expanded because they've added cal Stanford, SMU all

(01:02:58):
these programs, and now it's like some of these deals,
like I don't think Allen Stanford get the normal slice
of the pie, just like Oregon and Washington don't get
the same amount of money as UFC and UCLA and
the Big time. I think they get a half share.
For Oregon, it doesn't necessarily matter. I think for Washington
you probably like a little more cash. But they didn't
have a choice because the back twelve die. That's the
thing is just always it's just so fluid, Like there's

(01:03:21):
nothing fluid in the NFL. Yeah, I mean it might
be fluid who wins and who loses on a given year,
But like in terms of the business model, the business
model is always changing because there's more and more money
and everyone wants their hand in the cookie jar.

Speaker 2 (01:03:35):
The only thing with the calendar is you would I mean,
they want to expand a sixteen plant.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
We already have a twelve team playoff.

Speaker 2 (01:03:41):
I think the championship games like January twentieth or something. Yeah,
the game like if we're gonna go yeah, if we're
gonna go sixteen, I feel like you gotta even take
out two regular season games. You take out those Grambling States,
Bowling Greens, whatever, or start the season earlier if you
want to have it on January first, with the portal
ending up on January. I liked that the portals in January.

(01:04:03):
And I know people are all, you know, into the playoffs,
like why is it January second through through the sixteenth, Like,
I feel like you're gonna have less opt outs, especially
with the five day window they have after they get
eliminated sent into the portal. And I don't think school
starts until late January, mid January anyways, So that's fine
with that, but well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:19):
Use let's useuse school Montana the one double A playoffs.
They don't have conference championship games, right, so they just
end the season and then the next week the playoffs
essentially start for the teams they don't have to buy
I think you could do some version of that just
that week. It's the playoffs aren't as big, so you
just have the play in version or the conference championship

(01:04:40):
games and then just immediately start playing. Look at the
NFL season ends, you start playing, you know there's just
there's this lag. And that's because are there bowl games
this weekend?

Speaker 2 (01:04:51):
Boise State Washington on Saturday.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
See, so ESPN they have some inventory, right, so they
they they're like, what I don't want to waste this weekend.
We can do something else and then you know, kind
of do a build up. But I think you just
have to kind of approach it more like football, if
like every seven eight days you're playing a game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:24):
Speaking of the playoff bracket, look ahead at the matchups.
This week we don't got anything, but next week we do.
And then we got three plus weeks until the big
boys Georgia, Indiana, Ohio State, Texas Tech all play. I
guess we could start with just the first round matchups.
Oklahoma Alabama feels like a rematch from what we had

(01:05:47):
earlier on feels like two teams that both offense has
been struggling really bad. Like this game to me just
feels like a game that which quarterback do you trust more?

Speaker 1 (01:05:56):
All defense?

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Like which team can reach seventeen points that game alongside
text saying and in Miami are basically the only ones
because Tulane. I mean, I don't know if they have
a shot against Old Miss at James Madison, but any
intriguing first round matchups that look ahead wise, I don't
know any of those teams that could make a run where.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
You're well, two games do not. I mean the Oregon game,
they're going to murder them if they try at night.
Like you said, you that Liberty game, and is Liberty
was a better team than jmu right, the Hugh Freeze
Liberty team was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
Yeah. I mean I'd be lying if I watched a
much of either. But I just remember that Liberty team
when he was in the press box on the hospital bed,
like they were legitimate, like they were pretty, they were dominant,
you know, given their competition. I'd be stunned if that
game is not like fifteen to fifteen or something. The
Old Miss game is somewhat intriguing just because like their

(01:06:51):
coach is gone. They got these guys coming back, though,
how are they they've already played? I mean the game
was forty five to ten, like they did play forty
five to ten, and it's not like the other coach.
I think I even saw quote he's got two phones,
like he's got a lot going on, like his let's
face it, like he gets blown out in this game,

(01:07:13):
no sweat off his back. He's at Gainesville the next day.
The other two games are pretty good. The other two games.
It kind of sucks it's a rematch. But you know,
I think we've seen de Boor. We've actually never seen
him since he became famous. In this scenario. His team's
not playing well. They they didn't rush the ball at

(01:07:35):
Washington when he was there. Now, granted they had three
NFL receivers. He's just slunging around kind of like he's
doing now, but they have no rushing game in Alabama,
which is kind of weird. I mean that program, to me,
I would say a huge defining moment of Saban's teams.
When you think Nick Saban, I know it became more
of a passing at offense, but you thought defense and
running the ball. Derrick Henry. I mean, when you just

(01:07:57):
look up how many of their running backs are all
over the NFL. You know, Josh Jacobs, mark Ingram's on
TV won the Heisman Trophy. I mean, they just they
just had Domina dom. They had running back rooms where
Alvin Kamara was like, I need to transfer. I get it,
don't get time, right, So I just think Jamiir Gibbs
transferred that I just pulled up their staffs page.

Speaker 2 (01:08:18):
Jam Miller's hurt, right, Yeah, he might be back, but
again it's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
But like he had he has five hundred yards. The
other two guys like they just they just can't run
on the ball. So I don't know. And ty Simpson
doesn't look that great right now. So Oklahoma, their defense
is incredible, which is crazy because all of my life
it was like an incredible offense. Maybe that like ninety

(01:08:44):
or two thousand Bob Stoops team, but most of like
when they became a really big deal under Stoops and
the Lincoln Riley all offense. I mean, I was trying
to explain to my wife because she's like, oh, where
did you get his nickname Hollywood? And I was like, well,
I think he grew up there, and then Gus Johns
started calling him that. But he also played on He
played with Ceedee Lamb and Mark Andrews and Joe Mixon
and Samaji p Ryan and Orlando Brown and Baker Mayfield.

(01:09:08):
I mean, their teams were incredible, but their defense sucked.
It was like Kenneth Murray's okay. Now it's like their
defense is picking dudes off the pass rush. Incredible. Well,
prett Vnables, that's his baby, and he learned to Clemson
how to recruit those guys. But their offense matereer. Ever
since he hurt his hand, they've looked terrible. Now. I
was also thinking maybe, I mean in his hand, I
mean broke us through. This isn't Herbert or Aaron Rodgers.

(01:09:30):
This was his throwing hand, so it has to impact
him a little bit. I mean the Texas game when
he came back, it was like, what are we doing?
But it never really got that much better. You do
wonder if the long layoff, right, they don't playing in
the SEC Championship game, could he look better because early
in the season he did look pretty good. Uh, I
don't know. I mean, I think Oklahoma, if their offense

(01:09:53):
is just okay, which it has not been, they could
win a couple of games. They got a little like Houston.
Now CJ. Stroud a better player than John Mattier version
of college but kind of similar. It's like, hey, if
your offense just can put up like seventeen to twenty.
Same thing with bo Nicks and the Broncos, like just
getting the playoffs just to score twenty. We're gonna be
in good shape. Oklahoma's gonna be tough. They're gonna be

(01:10:15):
a tough out. Whether they play Ohio State, Indiana, I
have to pull up the bracket. But whoever they're playing,
and I think they beat Alabama, especially at home Norman.
That game's a night, right.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Yeah, the boards had no trouble a lot of I mean,
he's zero to two against Oklahoma in both of those games,
where yeah, Oklahoma's offense has been great, but both those games,
Oklahoma's defense has led to a touchdown, which has also
helped Oklahoma out led us some turnovers just being a
manageable field position. They have one of the best kickers
in the country. He's got like wears no pants. Yeah,
where's basically no pants, and he can make like four

(01:10:46):
field goals, which the Alabama is credit like they only
have that kicker, and that's like an advantage that you know,
Oklahoma thrives off of. I think if the one thing
for Bama that you.

Speaker 1 (01:10:55):
Get, they had three turnovers in that game.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
Yeah, they gotta win the turnover battle. I think Oklahoma
does thrive off of those explosives. Like the last three
games they played in they had touchdowns of eighty two,
forty five, fifty eight against MISSOO and LSU and survived
off of an explosive pass play. I think that's something
that if you're Alabama, you gotta limit if if they're
you know, Oklahoma's offense doesn't really good at running the football,
but Alabama's offense is just I mean from where they

(01:11:21):
were at the beginning, that whole gollet they went through,
going on the road of being Georgia, Lazoo, Tennessee, Vannerbilt,
and then you just at the end of the season,
no November, they just spend absolutely nothing. You don't know
where Ryan Williams is. He's dropping balls up right like
the quick game. He's got no he's got awful hands.
He's a receiver who's extremely skilled, who has terrible ball skills.

(01:11:41):
Like to me, there are gonna be a lot of
NFL teams. If you can't catch as a wide receiver,
you're an undraftable player.

Speaker 1 (01:11:47):
I mean that ball that he high pointed for a
god I mean, he was compared to Jeremiah Smith was
obviously insane. But even if he's just a good player,
like that's a pretty it's crazy to say, but kind
of a routine catch. It went right through his hands.
M hm, He's not right. He's like their third best
wide receiver. If that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:05):
It's it's it's sad as drop off. But to to
I mean it was credit. Jeremy Bernard has been stepping
up by Isaiah Horton.

Speaker 1 (01:12:12):
You're right.

Speaker 2 (01:12:12):
I think it's just a Duboro is gonna walk into
a trap. And I think that Venables team figure out
something offensively and that defense with r Mason Thomas, just
the pass rush, like that offensive line of Alabama's been
struggling like that. I mean they got bullied against Georgia
with a three or four men in front of the
entire game.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
Yeah, and they got and they got worked in that
That was that was a Saban like performance against Alabama
where it's like we're gonna physically punk you and kind
of set and like dance on your graves a little bit.
I can think for Alabama fans they go, is our
coach kind of a puss? Like where's our toughness and

(01:12:49):
like you know, for he's a former offensive lineman, he's
like a passing game guru. You know That's that's Ryan
Grebb got fired in Seattle. Didn't run the ball. The
reason they've hired the Kubiak kid. It's like he's a
run game. They want a physical Dubor wants to pass
like fifty times a game. I this this game. I've

(01:13:09):
always been a fan. I mean, part of it has
been fallowing his career since Present State, But like that
style in the SEC, there's a physical nature. It's gonna
be the question with Lane, It's like is your team
gonna be physical enough? You're kind of doing like your
version of this like Chip Kelly thing, which works on offense,
but does it create a physical nature which Ole Miss

(01:13:30):
definitely kind of didn't have because when they practice, you're
going against this like crazy speed offense. And that's the
thing with Venables, like we're running the ball, tough team.
If you lose like seventeen to ten, this is just
an ugly game. If you're Bama and you spend all
off season of just getting physically punked by Element or
Oklahoma twice, people are gonna want It'll be like coming

(01:13:53):
into the season like we're ready to get rid of
this guy. It's it's gonna get ugly, because again, I
think the one thing people respect, you know, like Alabama,
Ohio State, you know, LSU, like they want a physical team.
That was the problem with Brian Kelly. It's like, bro,
where's your run game. We should be able to run it.
We should be able to have one of the best

(01:14:13):
running backs in the country and run it down people's throat.
And when you can't, I just think people hate that
style of football. And you know, at certain programs see
is shoe with like Lincoln Riley. It's like our team's
kind of sophomro. You know, most of us in the
hate day we used to be like Alabama Urban Meyer style,
which is crushing, sending people to the hospital. And that's

(01:14:34):
what it feels like when Kirby's right, It's like I
would not want to be on the field with these guys.
Ohio State and Indiana kind of have that, like they
are crushing people. I saw Mendoza's tell McAfee like, I
got hit. I couldn't take a part. I got hit
so hard I didn't see him. That's what that's what
like the top programs. If you're you know, some of
these programs you expected, It's like, hey, we just got

(01:14:55):
to run and gun it. You play at Utah like
you play Utah like some was gonna get hit hard. Bamn,
No one's getting hit hard. It looks like which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
Speaking of getting hit hard, Miami A and m that's
another game where both of those teams Mario Chris Ball
has done a great job offensive defensive line. It feels
like in the portal they've done a lot better getting receivers.
Carson Beck, I mean to this game. Offensive line, defensive line,
both sides are pretty elite. It feels like this game
is gonna come down to which quarterback doesn't turn the

(01:15:27):
ball over. Yeah, Carson Beck's been turning the ball over
the entire year. Marcel read the last couple of games.
That South Carolina game, he had two picks in the
first half Texas late. You could tell his feet anytime
he was getting pressure. He felt like he didn't know
where the ball was going. This big game for Miami
just kind of shoving a Notre dame's face and say, hey,
we do belong home field advantage. It sucks his games

(01:15:48):
out at night. But where do you kind of lean
early thoughts about that game.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
I think the scary part from Miami because you're like,
if we're on, we could beat anybody. This matchup with
Elko getting what three weeks to throw different things at
Carson back, Like you just see some of those games
where he's throwing to the other team, you start hitting them.
You know they got a pass rush. It was howlf

(01:16:14):
the dude that has like abs and can rush the
passer like these Miles cares like what is going on here?
This guy is now Miami's got it two. But I
don't trust either quarterback. I just trust Elko. I think
if you just pulled people in college football, you just
went pure scheme their side of the ball. Who's the
cream of the crop, Like you know what Lane's done
on offense with Charlie Weist, I think Elko would be

(01:16:37):
right there handhand with like a Kirby Smart And if
Saban was still around, it was like defensive genius. So
you give defensive genius, you give any genius. Like more
times like the Andy Reid thing off the buys that's
I lean obviously the environment, but just from a schematic
thing even if they were on a neutral site. I
was like, can Carson Beck It's a big moment for

(01:16:58):
Carson back, Like he plays well well, you know, it's like, okay,
he's gonna get drafted again. You know, I don't know.
It's not like first checond round, but he's third fourth,
you know type guy, you play well in this environment,
this type of a lot of people are gonna be
watching it for him, like, can you even be a
backup in the NFL? Can you can you handle this?
Because a lot of times backups, you know, Mariota's the
I saw a club like a J McCarran. You know, guy,

(01:17:19):
we've seen them in big moments like handle themselves. And
we've seen Carson Beck. I Georgia turned on him. I
can't imagine that program has great things to say about him.
So this is this is a big moment for his
football career, and I'm gonna lean I'm taking Elco here
in this moment, even if I don't trust their offense,
I just think that that place is gonna be bananas.
That that you said that is the night, that's the

(01:17:40):
Saturday night game.

Speaker 2 (01:17:42):
No, it's not a night. It's like eleven am. It's
not that they put the night game as James Madison Oregon,
which I don't understand how you do it.

Speaker 1 (01:17:48):
Because the other two games because they ESPN. Yeah I
should Yeah, ESPN kept the two good matchups right and
they gave tn T the matchups with the big points.

Speaker 2 (01:18:01):
At least you're going to college football playoff game James
Madison Tulane.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
But yeah, I agree with everything you said.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
I think you know, Elko's third down defense has been
something that's been given a lot of opponents trouble if
you're a fan of explosive players. I think Malachi Tony
from Miami where they found this guy three star freshmen,
feels like outside of him, the running game is pretty soft.
Don't really have any of the receivers outside of him.
And then for Texas A and m they have some
of the best backs in the country Casey conception on

(01:18:30):
a Mario Kramer Like. That's one thing that Miami's been
struggling at against SMU or Louisville is if you do
do have those elite wide receivers and you can get
him over the top, especially at home Makylea Field, it
just feels like a game where Mario Christoball and Carson Beck.
It just suffocates him and they just can't get out
of the hole, or they kind of keep it competitive.
Maybe they start running the ball and I don't know,

(01:18:51):
maybe Carson Beck ends.

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
Up performing Marta REI doesn't play well. If they're not
throwing the ball like it could be, it wouldn't juck.
He was like ten to ten game going in the
fourth quarter. You know the thing is I remember tweeting
this out on that it was Friday night, like Texas
does not or they haven't, and I don't think Oklahoma
has either. They have not played an SEC night home game.

(01:19:13):
And you know, one thing about Texas, I was thinking,
like this is an electric environment. This place felt like
a playoff game for them, because it kind of was.
I mean, it was a super Bowl right. That rivalry
had gone away for a while once A and M
went to the SEC and Texas in the Big twelve.
Now it's you know, it's alive again because they're both
in the same conference. But that night game, that place,

(01:19:36):
it was rocking and clearly like Texas I mean showed
up to play. If that version of Texas had played
more games, like they're not in tight games against Kentucky
and Mississippi State, and they probably still lose Ohio State,
but they don't lose to Florida, even though when you
went back and looked like Arch's numbers weren't as good

(01:19:56):
as the game felt when you were watching it. Part
of it was that big touchdown, but they that game,
they would have been hard to beat beside like a
Georgia Ohio State. Like, I felt like they're beating most
teams that night with their effort and the energy in
the place, because again you don't see, uh, you just
don't see that many night games in Austin anymore. I

(01:20:16):
feel like they most of their night games have felt
like the road game, right, and they play a ton
like Kentucky like for the SEC, but there's on the road,
and then they typically have like the noon kickoff at home.
At least the last couple of years. I'm like, I
want more night games of Texas. This place it's like
an underrated no one talks about it. Get the SEC.

(01:20:37):
I mean, I was blown away this year Auburn had
like seven night games. The place looks incredible. I'm like,
I don't want to play there if I was a kid,
But I just think that night was If that game
had been noon, I wonder if it's a different feel.
But that thing was night Friday night holiday. People have
been drunk for like three straight days. Did you agree?
Was that environment like that was elite?

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
Because you're watching that game real, Like, I know Texas
has three losses, but like, could they slip in?

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
They look like a playoff team right now?

Speaker 2 (01:21:05):
Arc looks like what we wanted at the beginning of
the season, and he's transformed and they're able to run
the football. And yeah, an A and M team that
got kind of exposed, But I think that wasn't the
version of they didn't look like that the majority.

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
Of the year.

Speaker 2 (01:21:16):
No, No, the crowd feeds into it and just the
home field advantages, But yeah, I agree, do you think
I mean we can kind of talk broad about the
playoff too.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
You look at a pool of who.

Speaker 2 (01:21:28):
Can actually win the national championship, it's interesting to see
like those home playoff games and then you're gonna see
teams in the first round.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
By that, I mean Indiana three and.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
A half weeks, Like how do they shape up versus
an Oklahoma in Alabama that have played before Georgia last
year at a first round by.

Speaker 1 (01:21:44):
They looked great.

Speaker 2 (01:21:44):
But this year they got Gunter Stockton, who's had a
full season, where at that time it was weird because
of the whole you know, traffic situation. The game got postponed,
but still they look pretty flat. Then you got Ohio State,
Texas Tech. Texas Tech haven't really been in the limelight
like that. You don't have a lot of players that
have been in the playoff. Who do you your mind like,
who do you think wins the National Championship? Do you
think any of those first round I guess teams or

(01:22:06):
I should say second round team first round by, Uh,
get a little exposed a little bit, that's the second round.

Speaker 1 (01:22:11):
Well, I do think that I've heard a lot of
people say that only the four by teams in Oregon
can win the Natty, and I just to me ole
Miss is a team in the first round that has
no chance to win it. They don't have a good
enough defense. But I do believe that Oklahoma could beat anybody.

(01:22:32):
When you play great defense, you could just win an
individual game. Now, can they win fourser games? Probably not?
But Matier got a couple of million dollars for a reason.
And then you know Miami, Texas, A and m if
one of those teams got hot that they they're pretty tough.
You know, Indiana, like they're really good, But is is

(01:22:53):
the is the was a wide receiver, Omar Kelly the
second Omar Cooper? Yeah, Omar Cooper. Like if he's there
and they got three wide receiver, is they're really tough?
But is he have a high ankles brains? He out
for the playoffs? I mean, you know, college is not
like the pros. You don't. We won't find out for
a while what his status is. But yeah, I would
say Indiana, Georgia, ohiose date Oregon wouldn't shock me if

(01:23:15):
any of those four, I would say Oklahoma could definitely
upset somebody.

Speaker 2 (01:23:20):
I wonder with Indiana because I know, like Indiana is
one of those teams. It's so hard to mentally compose
and say that this team is the number one team
in the country.

Speaker 1 (01:23:30):
They just be Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:23:31):
But you do wonder, like we're all human at the
end of the day, can can Signetty get him right
three and a half weeks against an Oklahoma team that's
just gonna punch him in the mouth like Ohio State's
defense they started out slow, and if it wasn't for
that interception, some field goals early the back shoulder fade
like outside of that touchdown, they lead to field goals
the whole game. They lose, like I do wonder against

(01:23:52):
an Oklahoma Fire team that has nothing to lose with
Indiana that now feels like they kind of have something
to lose with.

Speaker 1 (01:23:57):
How see, I'd argue they'd beat Ohio Date if they
win one. If they beat Oklahoma and then lost to
Oregon in the I guess it would be the final four.
It's a great that is an incredible season. I mean
that is that's a that's a contract for life for Signetty.
Once you beat Ohio State, I do think you just

(01:24:18):
need to win the one game. Though it would be
a pretty big letdown if you lose Oklahoma Alabama, but
I'm in agreement there.

Speaker 2 (01:24:40):
And then if you're Oregon, you're smiling ear to ear
because you don't got to play in the Big Ten
Championship game and you've got a road where.

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
At Texas Tech team.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
I know Texas Tech fans will be like, we spent
a lot of money, Like you spend twenty eight million
dollars on a roster, but I think outside of their
defensive line, I think their offense is pretty exposable. The
red zone offense isn't very great on an Oregon team.
They just have to get healthy, like if they're receivers,
like the Korean Moore who's been their freshman All American
that hasn't really played. He had some big catches against
the Penn State. Like that's why people were some people

(01:25:07):
were kind of puzzling on Dante more like should you
go to the draft? Should he not? Like I think
I credit him for finding ways to win without his
top receivers on the road to Iowa. Obviously, the USC
game was weird at Washington. Uh, they're kind of a
team to me where if there.

Speaker 1 (01:25:23):
They are speaking name. They came in last year, all
the pressure was on them, and then they got Ohio State,
who Ryan day rallied the troops after that Michigan game.
They blew out Tennessee in that cold night game and
they came in just humming And that wasn't like twenty
eight nothing at the end of the first quarter or something.
It was crazy. He's ridiculous. It was. It was like

(01:25:46):
the equivalent of a rose ball when McCaffrey played Iowa.
Remember he scored on the kickoff return, and then all
of a sudden, it was like, we're gonna beat you
guys one hundred to nothing and that. But it was
it was like, okay, Stanford was unreal. At the time,
Oregon just felt like these are two equals and they
got destroyed. So I think it's kind of a rallying cry.
I do think they've pad That win against Iowa was

(01:26:09):
pretty incredible, Like that was like the beating Iowa this
year is not easy, Like that was a good win
for USC That was a fantastic win for them. On
the road. That drive to throw he made down the
right side was beautiful. That I don't drive. I remember
I was. I was. I finished playing golf. I've been
watching and I listened in my car and then I
rewatched it when I got home. That that was sweet,

(01:26:30):
Like that was that's one of the better You would
say Indiana's driving against Pennas State might be the best
drive of the year. That was sick. I mean, catch
of the year for sure. You could argue Oregon's drive
was to get in the field goal range because you
know college kickers, it's wet and cold. I mean that

(01:26:52):
was that was really really hard. And I think last
year listen, just you know, part of football too is
like you can't lay an egg. That's the thing in
the playoff like in the NFL. This is not basketball,
but you see all the time a team will lose.
I think the Warriors played the Grizzlies one year, lost
the game by like fifty, won the series, Like it

(01:27:12):
doesn't in football. You have a bad half in a
playoff game because you start getting really tight, you start realizing,
like our season's over, and they ran into a perfect storm.
I think obviously I would expect Oregon honestly, twenty one
and a half. That number is not big enough. I
would put it like thirty five. I think they are.
This is gonna be a landing. We're gonna we're gonna

(01:27:34):
try to be a thirty five to nothing in halftime.
We're gonna try to get it going. Because he just
saw what it meant for a team coming in to
play him, just to roll and have positive momentum, not
that they have like a negative feeling because that they're
coming in. I think a lot of people think playing
some of the better football over last month of anyone
in the country. But I would, honestly, you could convince

(01:27:57):
me that numbers I don't know, like six to nothing
unless it's like a torrential downpour or freezing cold, that
that would change a little. Like the Notre Dame game
last year was so cold. What was the final score
that Notre Dame, Indiana was like twenty seven to seven
or something, and they.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
Scored five seven touch pounds A look closer, Yeah, I
think it was like twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:28:15):
Seven, but it wasn't like fifty to seven right now.
But it's harder to blow someone out in a frigid coal.
I mean, what was a ten degrees If it's just
cold and a little wet, like, I think they are
pedal to the metal destroying them. And then I think
Oregon's favored against Texas deck feels.

Speaker 2 (01:28:31):
Like the Rutgers game. Oregon's game plan where they just
ran for like three hundred and four yards, just multiple backs.
We're gonna run the ball, especially if they have receiver injuries.
You don't even contemplate play in a.

Speaker 1 (01:28:41):
Minnesota game I remember watching on Friday night, they kind
of did that too, just just run it down their throat.
I got what's your what's your guests on the Texas
deck Oregon. Let's say Oregon rolls. I mean it's Oregon
is touchdown, went by ten. I think Oregon is probably
a six saying, what do you think the line is?
Like five? Six points? Seven points?

Speaker 2 (01:28:59):
Yeah, six and a half being a neutral site. The
one thing would be, you know, Texas Texas defense, like
could they hold Oregon enough? But Texas texts red zone
off and if you're if you're settling for six field
goals against BYU, like, I'm just I'm sorry. I don't
think you can do anything against Oregon. I just like,
do not think their secondary is better than what BYU showed.
I think their offensive line got a little exposed against BYU.

(01:29:22):
B YU was a good defense, But I just I
think it's a different level of competition where I mean
ASU played Texas, I mean ASU played Texas Bowl last year.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
I just don't think it's the same level of what
Texas texts played for this year. I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
One more team. I want to mention Georgia. I think,
I mean, I don't know who I think is gonna
win at all. They might be the hottest team in
the country right now. How they're playing. It feels like
their defense has finally figured it out. Gunnar Stockton came
and we didn't know a whole lot about him. I
know preseason we talked about Bama and I know we
were kind of ranking some of these quarterbacks heading into
the year, and he was like, oh, Gunner Stockton, Ty Simpsons,

(01:29:58):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
Gunnar stock did. Feels like one of the more non
talked about quarterbacks in football.

Speaker 2 (01:30:03):
And all this guy does is complete passes and take
shots and do it all over again and just run
for first downs. They're a gritty team. I think they're
super dangerous and their path right now you get Old Miss.
They would probably end up playing Ohio State in our
backyard at the festival. But I think they're a team
that could have win the NATTI this year. I want
to be shocked too. I do have a fourteen to
one bet on him.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
So I'd be a sick Fiesta Bowl Georgia last day.
I do think they really it lines up pretty good
for them because they'll get Old Miss Lane is gone.
That was a crazy game this year because it was
like Ole Miss scored every single drive for like three
straight quarters and then Kirby kind of like it felt
like gave his d line a wink and a hit
on the ass and they started destroying Trinidad. I mean

(01:30:45):
it was like, remember he we were all texting about it.
He melted it down in fairness, he was getting and
he was hot too, he was red hot. So that
to me is a pretty good beside. The two shitty
teams don't belong to be there. If you told Georgia
you could pick one team to play, I think they
would be Ole Miss. They might pick Bama be their

(01:31:07):
number one. Pick Ole Miss might be number two, And
then you get Ohio State or one of these other
two teams that have just played. Like the U versus
A and M is gonna be a war physically. I mean,
there are gonna be some people that get get like
Fernando Mendoza on the ground. There are people are gonna

(01:31:28):
be getting their teeth knocked in whoever wins that game.
I think Ohio State will be, you know, be the same.
That thing will be a physical whoever's coming in like there,
especially if one of those the U or A and
M were to win both games, they would have to
be physically like that's a that's a tough two games stretch.
Ohio State's a little bit easier. But you just played

(01:31:49):
a Warzone game, So then you're playing I guess you
get what basically twenty plus days off till this game
on the thirty first or the first, because that would
be yeah, I guess their game would be the.

Speaker 2 (01:32:01):
Thirty first, But yeah, after the quarterfinal, it's a week
in between.

Speaker 1 (01:32:06):
I think Georgia is gonna come in on a little
bit of an easier like that game against Alabama. They
have less guys than the ice tub. Like every single
player that played at Ohio State or Indiana was like
struggling to get out of bed for a couple of days.
You know, that game was that was sweet. I mean
it would look like Green Bay versus Indiana, right, I

(01:32:26):
mean Green Bay versus First Chicago, Like it was a
very physical game, like those type games we don't even
in the NFL. You don't get those all the time,
you know, like Cincinnati Buffalo ate one of those. Right,
But there are a few games that I think that matters.
I think the attrition to wearing tear though you would
say Ohio State, I mean, how often they've been tested

(01:32:49):
over the last couple of months often not at all.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, I just think George is so so multiple on offense.
They have so much depth. They have three or four
running backs and Zach Ryer Branch is kind of that
breakout start for them on the offensive end. But then
more importantly, you have a quarterback that played last year
in this game. You have a team that knew what
it was like for a first run by Kirby. Smart's
a smart coach, like he's been there before. He knows

(01:33:13):
how it would just from a year before to now.
I just think he would be the more Mendoz's up
there in terms of quarterbacks I trust more saying I
don't know after that Big Ten championship game, he hasn't
really been battle tested. But for me, Gunnarstock, it would
be my most trusted quarterback. What he did at Tennessee
Auburn Texas fourth and goal, like a bunch of fourth downs,

(01:33:34):
third down conversions that matters in this in the sport.
And how big of a game this his and I
think that's the event is that Georgia will have in
this game. I think that's why they could win the
entire the entire thing. I think it'd be good for
the SEC. Finally get that SEC big ten matchup. You
can play Ohio State and if they win that game,
you know they got bragging rights because last year the
SEC did not perform well in the CFP too. But

(01:33:56):
I think, yeah, I just I think George is the
most dangerous team. And you're right, they don't have to
play the gritty, grindy teams that Ohio State does or
the A and M does that they have to because
regardless if ohiosly wins by ten against A and M
or Miami, you're gonna get You're gonna be a little
banged up in the trench.

Speaker 1 (01:34:13):
Say the leads big time. Totally. A couple more questions.

Speaker 2 (01:34:17):
We'll go in an NFL draft and we'll go into
some coaching stuff. Mendoza feels like he's the number one
overall pick. You could kind of talk about what your
thoughts on Fernando Mendoza. It seems like he's like the
legit guy. He seems legit. Do you think Dante Moore,
Tyas Simpsons should stay or declaire Just kind of this
overall quarterback class where we thought was gonna be one
of the more best quarterback classes, it seems like Mendoza

(01:34:39):
and maybe Dante Moore in top five if he does
come out. It's interesting to see what he's twenty years
old his first year playing. Wolfstein's gone as he go back.
Ty Simpson to me, seems like he should just go
back regardless.

Speaker 1 (01:34:51):
One the quick thing on Oregon. I heard someone say
this the other day, like, we've had a lot of
coaches that are taking a job continue to coach like
a coordinator, right, you know, it happened forever with Nick Saban.
We've seen it with Kirby and Dan Lanning. It's a
little bit different when you're playing potentially three or four games,

(01:35:12):
so they're both their coordinators are head coach Kentucky, head
coach of cal right now, you know, landing the defense
as baby not as crazy of like it's easier to
will starin. Like I heard an interview with him driving
around on College Football Serious Channel eighty four. It's actually
pretty good. Listen, Rick new Heiswelh hosts a show on there,
and uh, he was like you could just tell like

(01:35:35):
Kentucky is like a major priority for him now, and
I just you just have to wonder James Madison won't
be an issue but that's something to keep an eye on,
you know, like are they getting the full and part
of it is, you know, Dante Moore, if you if
they're in the National Championship, that means he's playing a
game against Texas Tech, which I mean everyone will be

(01:35:57):
watching that thing, then playing Oklahoma Bama or Indiana Everyone's
watching that thing, and then playing like Georgia, Ohio State
or Miami like every you know. So it's like he
could have a run where you go, well, this guy actually,
I mean, what if he plays Fernando Mendoza in when
that I guess that would be the semi that would
be the final four. What if he outplays them? I

(01:36:21):
know they don't technically play each other, but like what
if he just one guy throws four touchdowns and the
other guy's just the bed. I mean, so I would say,
as we sit here right now, Mendoza's pretty clear one.
He's bigger. I mean, Mendoza looks. I mean, it's closer
to like Andrew Luck measurementsary I was thinking today Herbert
physically probably has a little more juice to him. But

(01:36:43):
it's kind of in that realm of like the tall long,
you know, six' five. Ish herbert's got a stronger arm
the both good. ATHLETES i Think mendoza's aren't pretty. Strong
it's not, weak BUT i think there Are and Remember
herbert coming out Of, oregon like Obviously burrow went one
but to one above. Him you, know people forget that

(01:37:04):
because now it's like an afterthought. Too it throws from
one hundred yards and his team still.

Speaker 2 (01:37:07):
Win Dante, MOORE i feel like he would learn from
like What Drew allard did last, year where he was
like one of the hottest names after THE cfp and
what his run. Was even though he threw that late.
Interception people were, like, oh this guy's the top, five
top ten. Pick AND i know he ended up not
panning out that way and this year will probably be
like a fifth round. Pick but it feels like if You're,
dante where you got to strike with the irons hot
and if it doesn't work out early in THE, nfl

(01:37:29):
you're a top five, pick they're going to keep you around.
Him maybe he's a guy that he's twenty years, old
he's kind of a skinnier built.

Speaker 1 (01:37:34):
Like A Jaden. Daniels they just kind of sit on
BECAUSE i do think ye you, Know mendills has been
had two years OF cal and then this, year so
he's and it lost a, lot had to go into
a lot of games less talent when he was A.
Cal you, Know dante's been A i mean he started
technically some game For chip that did not go. WELL i,
mean no one's even valuing, that like that is. Irrelevant

(01:37:55):
but like of being a good, player he's had one
year and how many good? Games like how many good
teams have they Play INDIANA? Usc like he doesn't have that?
Many like THE nfl fan OR nfl scouts or aren't
just Killing, Minnesota like doesn't do anything for? Them, Right
that's Where Fernando mendoza gets a lot of credit Of

(01:38:15):
like you, know, ARGUABLY i don't know how many touchdowns
to rot, has But cooper had. Eleven so it's like
you lose a guy that gave eleven, Touchdowns like first
series of the, game your second best wide receiver is
the vander or not The. Vanderbilt but The nashville guy
did Did gus call Him baker Not? BECKER i think
he was calling him the wrong. Name BUT i have

(01:38:36):
some people text regardless like that's you you're going up
Against Ohio state that probably has multiple first round, corners
let Alone Caleb. Downs you, know in those, environments that's
what you get judged, on and that's where you, know
going up Against texas text d line will be a,
big great evaluation. Point, again he doesn't need to come
out like what Would oregon pay him to come? Back
five six million? Dollars now you do sign a forty

(01:38:58):
million dollars contract when you are the Number even if
he's not the number one, PICK i, Mean Dante moore
will probably go pretty.

Speaker 2 (01:39:04):
HIGH i think they'd be really good next year, too
if you were to come.

Speaker 1 (01:39:07):
Back what was It next year is supposed to be their? Year, yeah,
yeah wasn't tool? Year?

Speaker 2 (01:39:13):
Yeah this Is are they one of the youngest teams
in the. Country, yeah that's like their downside is just
their youth and not. Inexperienced BUT i, mean you got
a lot of young you got two freshman, receivers you
got a freshman running, back a lot of young guys
in the second aar on the back ind.

Speaker 1 (01:39:26):
Side BUT i don't, KNOW i think he's in a good.

Speaker 2 (01:39:29):
POSITION i think it would be tough for him TO i,
think you, know THE nfl like teams are so quarterback
needy where it's like THE nfl maybe pushes him To,
hey you, Know mendoz and you are at number one
and too like you're guaranteed be a top, five top ten.

Speaker 1 (01:39:42):
Pick you're twenty years.

Speaker 2 (01:39:43):
Old like the Will stein factor definitely has to play into.
It BUT i wanted To you made a good point
talking about uh Will. Stein kentucky fully locked in on
that versus in the. Playoff we didn't Mention Ohio. State
that's another team Where Brian hartline go TO usf And
i'm sure you've seen the clips him talking About South.
Florida he feels like another. Guy and that's another team

(01:40:03):
where you're kind of hesitant on how you Approach Ohio
state in the playoff BECAUSE i don't know if it Was.
BRIAN i don't know if it Was Brian hartline or
if it Was Ryan day calling the plays Versus. Indiana
but some of those short yardist situations didn't look like
we expected to for the entire season For Ohio. State
that's another Area i'm interested to see how they are
With Brian hartline if he makes a four round playoff.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
Run like you're, talking you're telling me In.

Speaker 2 (01:40:27):
January he's not focused on the portal or focus on
his team while he's trying to coach the. Offense that
seems like another sticky situation that could Affect Ohio. State,
YEAH i, mean you, Know georgia doesn't look like lost, anybody, Right,
no So indiana somehow no one even talks to their.

Speaker 1 (01:40:41):
COORDINATORS i mean their defensive. Coordinator if he was At,
Georgia Ohio state would be would be interviewing like seven different.
Places so, YEAH i mean it's. DEFINITELY i Mean South florida.
TOO i think they you, know in the revshare, world
all these non are they are they in The big.
Twelve they're a group of Five Central Central florida is

(01:41:03):
in The big. Twelve South florida they do like full.
Revshere most of these Like Fresno, State Boise, state like
they're Not they're not any money to give their. Players
it's a IT'S i heard someone, say it's, like by,
far over the next couple, years is gonna be the
best non power forward job because of the money they
have to pay. Players because WHEN i saw he took that,
JOB i, like why would you take that? Job and
THEN i heard it just the revenue share they're going

(01:41:24):
on no different than all the other you, KNOW sec
AND acc. Schools so, YEAH i MEAN I i think
that all these, variables you, know with just, NIL i,
mean are there gonna be guys that on the team that, go,
Yeah i'm not even Playing i'm gonna go in the. Portal,
now you just never. Know this Is it's why it's

(01:41:44):
things can change. Fast if you told, me like a team's, like,
ah this guy's like their slot. Receiver he's just he
just went in the portal because maybe he's hearing, like,
yeah we're not gonna pay it as much next. Year
we had another guy coming, In like that's liable to
happen beside you, know like the star. Play but you
just never know in this. World i'm prepared for. Anything i'm, like,
yeah so and so they're starting defensive. Tackle just he

(01:42:07):
quit not to like quit to go to the, draft
like he's just gonna go to another team that.

Speaker 2 (01:42:12):
Was Like Penn state's backup quarterback For bulah and they
used him in the running.

Speaker 1 (01:42:16):
Game he had to.

Speaker 2 (01:42:17):
Leave he had to go to the porta before the
playoff was even started because he had to go To
Mazoo like he had to get himself a starting quarterback,
Job so not saying like it could be of the
impact of, that but it's just a weird.

Speaker 1 (01:42:28):
Situation but my last, question we'll wrap up on this
coaching movement a ton of.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
Highers it feels like all the spots have finally filled
up like two, weeks which is. Crazy what are the
fits that you think are most likely to turn.

Speaker 1 (01:42:41):
Around in twenty twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:42:41):
Six it's tough with like the portal and, recruited we
don't know really who's. There and then what was the
coaching move that you were just like what the? Fuck,
like tell me who your? Favorite who's your? Favorite higher my?
Favorite it feels like some are all is going to
work At florida. SOMEHOW i don't know if it's because
he's a little, fiery he's more vocal what he did
At tulane being able to turn around and most of

(01:43:03):
those guys left when When mensa left his quarterback to
get retzl from B yu and to even be a playoff.
Team he seems like a guy THAT i think they just, needed,
uh they just NEEDED i feel Like florida just needed
like an identity. Change they just needed a guy that
was more, fiery not, quiet who's gonna kind of put
his thumb up as butt when you know things are going,

(01:43:23):
on kind of saying the same thing over and over.
Again SO i Like summer Al. FLORIDA i think there's
a bunch of fits, where you, know even Like Eric
morris To Okahoma, state or even Like tosh going To
cal and Keeping jks in the weak acc that's, huge
like he would have been one of the top quarterbacks
in the. Portal so you have a draw of a
Former oregon defensive coordinator that's successful With cal his. ALUMP

(01:43:47):
i like that fit, Too but there's a TON i,
MEAN i feel LIKE i like a lot of, these
and the next.

Speaker 1 (01:43:52):
Year we'll see him and it's like it didn't work.
Out SO i do think The tosh thing is pretty. Unique,
right he played, there so he understands it's not a
normal place to. COACH i, mean they rebuilt the stadium
like ten years, ago and they had people living in
the tree taking dumbs out of the. Tree like in
THE sec they would have thrown those people in a

(01:44:13):
ditch and buried him and everyone would have just built
the road right, over not even. Cared it's it can
be a little, wacky but he kind of he's A barryer.
Guy he's an elite, recruiter and now that like you
don't have to hide the brown, bag WHICH i think
he did over the. Years AS i, SAW i Had
ojeron say the difference in the. Nil he's, like they're,
like how are you gonna handle a? Nil it's like

(01:44:34):
you can go in the front, door and now you
don't need to go in the back with the, bag you,
know hiding behind the. Trees SO i Think, TOSH i Think,
rollovich the Former Washington state coach and a white, coach
is probably gonna stay and be, there you, know potentially
their offensive, coordinator potentially his rapport with the. Quarterback obviously
he's pretty good in THE. Acc just kind of stinks,
NOW i, think big, picture it's not a sexy. Hire

(01:44:56):
he could be a little cheesy watching his press c
Conference Matt, campbell but this was a guy that like
has turned DOWN, usc has turned down Probably, FLORA i,
mean has turned Down i'm sure massive, jobs and all
of a sudden they just kind of feels like walk
into him a little bit like. THAT i don't, know

(01:45:18):
clearly wasn't their number one, choice but he does kind
of feel like A Penn state. Guy you. Know now
the recruiting Rankings James Virginia tech like went up one
hundred spots immediately A james an elite. Recruiter you do
need to kind of be both At Penn, state like
it does recruit itself a little. Bit BUT i say
that about other programs Like, Florida it's, like, well you

(01:45:39):
kind of got to recruit and. Coach so there's just
gonna be a lot of pressure on. Him you. Know
you kind of you could have eight and five seasons
or nine and four, seasons people, like, oh good job
you that At Penn state people will freak. Out SO
i think it's like the pressure maybe not next, year
but over the course of then the fallowing couple of,
years like you're gonna need like an eleven and one
ten two, year especially if the schedule breaks right AND

(01:46:04):
i we'll, see because there's a big difference THAT i
was stayed In Penn state in terms of the. Pressure,
NO i would say the same thing For, Lane Like
lane in a weird, way doesn't have that many big wins.
Historically right this year Beat, OKLAHOMA i think he Beat,
oregon when he was AT usc he'd Beat georgia last.

(01:46:24):
Year but it's not like he is a guy like you,
Know Brian kelly for a long, time A notre, dame
rattle off a bunch of big, wins AND i just
think the pressure to. LSU i don't want to say
he's gonna get a pass next, year but it's, Like,
okay you go nine and, three you, know be like
the sixteen. Seed people be. COOL i think you're gonna
have to people like you gotta win a national championship

(01:46:46):
in the first couple of. Years he definitely has to
be like in the final four because they're gonna have
one of the highest paid. Rosters they're gonna need to
have like A Georgia Ohio state. Season then even if
you don't win, it it's, Like, Okay i'm in The
final four and we lose by a field, goal the
pressure there is gonna be IMMNS i mean. Immense The
Pete golding seems like a good.

Speaker 2 (01:47:05):
GUY i don't, Know let's that Loves.

Speaker 1 (01:47:09):
Oxford, yeah tough.

Speaker 2 (01:47:11):
Spot but when you're talking about About, CAMPBELL i was,
like going to the schedule next, year they don't Play Ohio, State,
oregon Or.

Speaker 1 (01:47:16):
Indiana they play At.

Speaker 2 (01:47:18):
Michigan they have A usc at, home so that could
be like a bridge year where they go eight and,
four nine and.

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Three Fan mase is.

Speaker 2 (01:47:24):
Fine the high school recruiting, obviously they had like two recruits,
signs so they might have to go fully.

Speaker 1 (01:47:28):
Portal they're another team WHERE.

Speaker 2 (01:47:31):
I wonder if his Quarterback Iowa State Rock obeck's been
a guy that's been playing for like four. Years he's
got one more, year so you kind of poach him
over and have like a, starter you have a for
sure quarterback that can start there the kind of like you, know.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Rebuild a revivor program.

Speaker 2 (01:47:45):
IMMEDIATELY i don't, know but it would be interesting to
see if he were to go over there and follow.
HIM i don't know if he's a big ten quarterback,
though so we'll.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
See is he kind of a run around? Guy, yeah
he's kind of short. TOO i mean he's like A.
Brock he's played similar Like brock pretty was when he
was At Iowa. STATE i feel Like brock through a
better in. Him, yeah, yeah, yeah you're, right.

Speaker 2 (01:48:06):
But, yeah head scratching, wise you're more you, Know california
More Bob CHESNEY. UCLA i don't know if it's Too
i'm not Discrediting Bob, chesney but it. Was it felt
like a weird fit and it felt one of those
LIKE i Thought Bob chesney was more of like An
East coast.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
Guy so no one's taking Their no one's taking their. Job,
yeah like no one with any name recognition or any
options taking their. Job and you, know my Guy skipper
won three games and they didn't win another. Game, uh
but you know he's at Cal paula great, HIGHER i
mean credible. Higher BUT i also think THAT ucla it's
hard to get someone to take that, job you, KNOW

(01:48:42):
i Mean Bob. Chesney, YEAH i think it's more JUST
i just don't think animal's taking their. JOB i really
think it comes down to, that, Right and if you
look like he's just, going, well IF i can get
seven eight wins for a couple of, years why wouldn't
a massive program hire? Me and that's WHAT i think

(01:49:03):
he's doing because typically he Replaced, Signetti, Right, yeah SO
jml the. Coach, yeah you can dominate A, jmu but
look who the teams that are hiring. You, Now indiana's awesome,
Now but like that, was he wasn't getting hired By
nebraska or now His probagram's better than them. Now But

(01:49:23):
nebraska never would have hired, you or you, Know clemson or.
Whoever but you prove you could. Win a year, later
everyone wanted signety if u C la in two years
of state and four, like why WOULDN'T i whatever his
kind of dream area, is why Wouldn't Florida state be?
Interested you know whoever you picked the.

Speaker 2 (01:49:43):
SCHOOL i do think it's cool that we're the last last.
FIT i want to mention it kind of was under the.
Radar But Colin kline To Kansas. State he's a guy
that WHEN i grew up him In, Oregon Kansas state.
QUARTERBACK i do think it's kind of cool that we're
kind of going down this different avenue and college football
that former guys of the universities want to help their.

(01:50:04):
PROGRAM i want to help their. Album minor out What
tash is, doing What Colin klein's. Doing brohm didn't, Leave
Clark lee didn't leave Frent Key. Dillingham, LIKE i think
that's kind of a, cool like new aspect of college
football that we're starting to get. Into is most of
these former like alumni guys want to really help their program.
Out i'm excited to see what you, Know Colin kline

(01:50:25):
could do At KANSAS i Know Kansas.

Speaker 1 (01:50:26):
Stay it's not a big.

Speaker 2 (01:50:26):
PROGRAM i don't Know big twelve to get talked about a,
bunch but it's just it's it's a sick hire in my,
opinion and he's one of the best play.

Speaker 1 (01:50:33):
Callers, yeah definitely is. Man i'm with you on, That, Okay, Jackson,
uh take it, easy, Bro, Iris i'll see you. Later.
Okay let's dive into someone who this weekend is going
to be zoned. In, now as of recording, this we
don't know If Philip rivers is going to be starting or.

(01:50:53):
Not but the man has ten, children seven, daughters three.
Boys he even has a. Grandchild i'm pretty he said
at the press conference On wednesday that he has a
daughter that's, married so that this is a unique forty
four year. Old this is a guy that you, know
his prime was a long time, ago, Right we're talking
a decade. Ago but the last time he played AN

(01:51:13):
nfl game twenty. Twenty this is a guy making his.
Return there is gonna be no person if he plays
in this game more zone did one Than Philip. Rivers
WHO i think is making The, brady's The, breezes The.
Peytons you can't convince me that they're not a little
jealous just to get that call like, hey hey, man
you still got anything? Left hell, YEAH i got something.

(01:51:35):
Left but his. Family can you imagine sometimes a box
right where you get, like you, know your, girlfriend maybe your,
parents and it happens to a lot of players in their,
threat maybe maybe your wife and young. Child potentially if
he plays in this game or game in the next
couple of, weeks he is going to have his ten children,
there his, grandchildren his. Parents Philip rivers is going to

(01:51:59):
have The river's contingent to support their. Father and how
cool is it that? This he, said one of his,
daughters who was one when he last played in THE,
nfl had to watch like YouTube highlights for him to
prove that he actually was a good. Player and who,
knows maybe he's not a good player. Anymore wouldn't blame,
Him he's. Not he's forty four years, old probably gained

(01:52:19):
a little, weight a little off the. Fastball granted he
never really had a, fastball was always it was more
of an accuracy timing. Guy but very very cool moment
for the family to be able to watch their, father their,
husband their. Grandpa potentially we don't know for, sure but got.
It If Philip rivers does not, play if not this

(01:52:42):
weekend the following week very, soon we will all be very.
Disappointed but no one is more zoned in right now
than The river's. Family the volume

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