Colin Cowherd breaks down the stunning fallout from Michigan football firing head coach Sherrone Moore after reports of an inappropriate relationship with a staff member. Colin explains what this means for the Wolverines future, recruiting, and who they should target as a replacement.
Plus, the Lakers loss to the Spurs raised major red flags. Colin reveals why Los Angeles was exposed and whether the Lakers championship hopes are slipping away
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A very active, very troubling, dark day. Michigan's looking for
a new football coach, and let's start there. Sharon Moore
has been fired. So you know, there's two or three
elements to this. Number One is there are certain jobs
and maybe it's maybe it's thirty or forty percent of
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jobs in America. Maybe it's more it's not every job,
but certain jobs in America. You need an elevated sense
of character, both personally and professionally. You know, school president,
you hope, the church, college campus jobs. There are certain
jobs where you have to have a seriousness about you,
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in a maturity about you, so you can meet the job.
You can meet the program, you can meet the standard.
Michigan football is not only a college football job, it's
one of America's great public institutions. When I was a
kid growing up, to me Michigan football, this is way
pre Brady. I thought it was the best program in America.
Like the fight song, the crowd, the games, and Michigan
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football to me as a kid, even through college, like
that was the job, great university, wonderful fans, and Charon
More to me, I'll be honest with you, he always
felt like an interim coach. I just didn't think he
was that good of a coach, right Like, even at
his opening presser he kind of used a hardball quote.
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He didn't have his own identity. Again, I didn't think
he was that great of a coach, but he was
close to Jim Harbaugh. And my rule has never changed
in thirty years in this business. I have a rule
in sports and in any business, the greater the employee
you're asked to replace Jim Harball, the wider the search
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has to be. You can't just hand it to a
staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harball. Remember when
Bill Belichick left, who they handed to Belichick's favorite assistant,
girod Mayo. Disaster. Then they went and this is what
Michigan should do. Then they went got Mike Vrabel, And
Michigan needs to go after like a Kaylin de boor
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don't know if he leave, but that's the kind of
guy I would go after. So listen, most vice presidents.
Vice presidents have ceilings, and that's vice president Searan Moore
could be a really, really good coordinator, maybe a head
coach at Michigan. Yeah, that's a big job. That is
a top five job in America. It's like basketball coach
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at Carolina or Duke and there's just a certain standard
and he didn't meet it. Secondly, there are reports that
Michigan knew about this for some time, but you know,
they didn't want to get in the way of signing
day well time out. When you're talking about like internal affairs,
you can't go on hearsay or rumor. You have to
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have admission and proof. Okay, that's why we have HR departments.
You can't go on, hey this guy in the internet
nailed it. You can get sued really quickly if you
make an assertion or an accusation and you don't have
an admission or absolute inarguable proof. Third is it's December eleventh,
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the Bulls haven't started college football playoffs a week away.
Michigan's got all sorts of time. The transfer portal now
the portal doesn't even open till January. It used to
be December. So Michigan's going to get a great coach.
They paid ten million for their quarterback. They're going to
get a really, really good coach. But to me, this
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is a cautionary tale of a man who probably wasn't
the best candidate available. In fact, he wasn't getting an
incredibly esteem job, and sadly his personal life, maybe due
to the pressure, completely unravels. I wish him the best.
Michigan will get a great coach. The portal opens up
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in January. The university will be fine, you hope, the
people will be involved. We'll have Bruce Feldman on in
forty minutes. So earlier this week, Jay mc and I
went back and forth, and I said Rich Paul was right,
even if he said something that was uncomfortable, which is,
you know, the Lakers are not built to win a championship.
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They're just not good enough, especially on defense. So last
night the Lakers hosted a really good team, probably capable
of winning the championship, San Antonio, and they hosted him
in LA. And let's just say we should have a
new segment on the show where Rich Paul was right.
The Spurs didn't even have seven foot four Wemby and
they did whatever they wanted offensively, fifty percent field goals,
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forty five percent threes, fifty total rebounds, almost fifty points
in the paint. That's without seven to four Wemby. So
this is shaking out, as Rich Paul predicted and I
have been saying since the start of the season, even
when Lebron comes back, the Lakers are bad defensively. Since
Lebron returned, they're twenty six defensively. They don't do anything right.
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Defend the rim, defend the perimeter, defend the point. So
this is a team and roster with holes. And what
happened last night? What did the Spurs attack? Oh gritty
Austin Reeves. Spurs players who were guarded by Austin Reeves
shot an outrageous sixty three and a half percent. Oh wait,
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that's what the Timberwolves did in the playoffs, attacked Austin Reeves.
A really good player, offensively works his butt off. Cool story,
gritty kid, but forty year old Lebron gritty Austin Reeves,
a marginally interested defender in Luca is not a Western
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Conference finals team in the West. They're a fun team.
I love watching them. I mean, the crowds go to
a Laker game, it's a cool crowd. It's fun. There's
a lot of points. Unfortunately, good teams will score more.
And this is why it's so encouraging if you're a
Laker fan. The owners of the Lakers who have moved
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off Cody Bellinger, Trey Turner, Manny Machado, Corey Seeger great players,
but they go after Mookie and Freddie Freeman and Otani.
The standard for the Dodgers isn't keeping a very very
excellent player like Corey Seger. It's getting shoe Heey, Otani,
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Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts. Everybody loves gritty Austin Reeves
and forty year old Lebron the future of this organization.
Two guys, Luca number one, JJ Reddick number two. Everybody
else is available to move. The Spurs did last night
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what the t Wolves did last year. Go after Austin Reeves.
That's exactly what they did without Wemby. They got every
look they wanted to. Go ahead and be a fanboy,
be an influencer, take cool picks. The difference between the
bus family and the current owners is a standard. Corey
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Seeger is replaceable. Otani isn't right, Trey Turns a good player.
Freddie Freeman's a Hall of Famer. Austin Reeves is a
good player. I'd move in five minutes if I could
sniff Yannis. Okay, it's not even it's not a discussion.
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You wear your team jerseys, you take your pictures. JJ
Reddick knows when they play the top teams and the
great athletes in the West. Here's JJ Reddick with some truth.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Serum, the things that help you win on the margins.
We're just not very good at right now, and you know,
we got to ask a little bit more of everybody.
You know, we don't crash, you know, we can't. We
can't force a lot of turnovers. Kind if a team
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shoots well where we're going to be really in trouble.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
He's telling you what Rich Paul's telling you, what Uncle
Colin's telling you. They can't defend. It's not what they are.
They have three players that duplicate each other. Luca Lebron
and Austin Reeves are really really good. I mean, Lebron's
forty one, he's dunking at the rack. Austin Reeves are
going to get his points. Luca's better than both easily,
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but there's too much duplication. They've got to get bigger
to protect the rim. They've got to get stronger on
the perimeter defensively. I mean, JJ Reddick's telling you, you know,
teams hit shots. There's nothing we can do because teams
are going to get shots on the Lakers. JJ Reddick
is telling you the truth, whether you want to believe
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it or not. All right, So Bruce Feldman is going
to be joining us in thirty minutes now. On the
Michigan situation. Again, it's early, the playoffs haven't started. The Bulls.
This is where the nil is very valuable and the
portal They've pushed it back to January, meaning if recruits
leave at Michigan, you can replace them. Remember, Michigan and
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Notre Dame have two of the top ten endowments in
the country. These are very wealthy schools. This is why
the Big Ten, in my opinion, now that Indiana is
a powerhouse. While the Big Ten has closed the gap
on the sec richer endowments, richer schools, richer graduates, bigger
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schools flushing out graduates across the country to great jobs,
they come back, write checks. Michigan's going to be fine.
I'll root for the person sharonn More, but the Wolverine
since I was a kid, have always figured it out eventually.
Good stuff. Tom Brady joining us, Greg Cosel today as well. Man.
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We got a lot of stuff today to talk about.
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all week. You know, Kansas City, they're not rebuilding, they're
just retooling. Because you know, if you've got Read and Mahomes,
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you're okay. I've been asking every guest this week, rebuild
my belief or read tool, And the answer I get
from people I love at this company, well, it's just
a read tool. We got Mahomes, we got Read. Brady
left Belichick. You know why talent regression the roster. Yeah,
(12:16):
he didn't like Bill anymore, but he didn't really like
Bill ten years earlier. People get tackled in football. They
age very very quickly. Kansas City has gone from we
don't really need wide receivers. Kelsey and Mahomes will figure
it out. Two. We may finish sub five hundred, Andy
Reid is sixty seven, Travis Kelsey's going to retire, Chris
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Jones won't. He'll be expensive, but he's not the player
he used to be. George Carloftis is a really good
pass rusher, but he's probably a little overpaid. His cap
hit much bigger next year. Rashi Rice not dependable, immature,
gets banged up. Josh Simmons the left tackle of injury issues,
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some personal issues ongoing in life and in football. You
get a dose of reality sometimes. And Kansas City for
seven years, got every green light driving to work. They
were just winning close, come from behind, they got a
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green light the entire drive to work for seven years.
Now they're stuck in traffic and this roster and they've
taken some risks. Josh Simmons was not on every board,
Rashi Rice not on every board. There's pro scouts know
they know about issues before they surface professionally. And I'll
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say this again, I think I'm not saying it's a demo.
You don't have to tear the house down, but the
kitchen needs work, so does the roof, and a couple
of bathrooms. It's not just a tile job, fix and
clean up. The garage. So here's Patrick Mahomes on potentially
missing the postseason.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
We were in unprecedented territory, so place that we haven't
been since I've been here, and so I think you
lean on the guys that have kind of battled through
adversity and came out better on the other side. And
so when I look at it now, it's like, I mean,
I don't know what the percentages are of, but I
know they're not high. And I think it'd be special
if we get into the playoffs and we can make
a run. So why not give ourselves a chance to
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do that? And we got to start about winning football games.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
For the record, twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two, before
the big Mahomes deal felt like it kicked in, this
team averaged thirty points a game. The last three years,
they're averaging a touchdown less a game. Name the Chiefs
top ten players right now, And I'm not talking on
resume or legacy. I'm not talking about Travis Kelce just
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because he has a great legacy. I'm saying, name their
top ten players. Chris Jones is not a top ten
d lineman right now, and he's one of them. And
he's near the top. Name their top ten player. Now
go name the Rams, the Lions, the Eagles top ten players.
Hell go name the Houston Texans top ten players. Name
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Seattle's top ten players. Name the Chiefs. Mahomes is one,
it's a lot of Trent McDuffie's two. You get to
about five and you're like, well, he's overpaid, Well he's old,
he's going to retire. I'm telling you this idea that, well,
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I've got Reid and Mahomes. Gms matter a lot. They
have got an ace this draft. They have got a
hit on four or five player. Brett Beach is great,
he can do it. But this idea, well, we're just
going to fix the guest room. Put some tile in
the kitchen. Now, kitchen, need to redo, roofs leaking, master
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bath to dump. Time to fix it. J Mack with
the news, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Always fun when someone besides me goes in on the
Chiefs on this show.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, let's get started. Collin with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
It's been an up and down first year for Brian
Schottenneimer's head coach. They are six six and one. But
I mean, goodness gracious, twenty nine points per game, highest
ever by a Cowboys coach.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Pretty impressive.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Anyways, Dallas has a tough path to make the playoffs,
and here's what Shoddy says about that.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Absolutely, but I don't think that's the only thing we're
judged Bonn. But that's what we want. You can't sit
up here and talk about winning world championships and if
you don't make the playoff, you don't have a chance
to win a world championship. So again, winning is the
number one objective. After that, it's building the culture. Minnesota
is our focus, Minnesota is my focus. But you know,
like I said, at the end of the day, we're
going to be judged on wins in law Susan. So
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let's start by getting first one and the fourth quarter
against Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Do like Dallas this week?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Do you I think they're I think they're in a
testy mood after being humiliated those standalone games. When your
defense gives up forty four points, What do you bet
you get a spirited defensive effort from the Cowboys this week?
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Okay, I mean, but we expected that last week against
the Lions.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Ryan's up and down the field. Lions had a little
better quarterback O line.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Definitely a better quarterback a Vikings O. Lion is rounding
in to form a little healthier shut out Washington last week, just.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Saying Dallas is better than what they showed Thursday night.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Defensive, this will be a good one for JJ McCarthy.
So he struggled against good defenses.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Okay, you can't run on Dallas.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
I'm going to run on I really think they need you.
Justin Jefferson chirping, this is shaping up as a big
JJ game. You gotta in fantasy start him big game.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I really selling out to the public. I honestly think
Vikings can win us out right.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Okay, all right, you see Lamb gonn play the way
they're gonna rush him back from a concussion to try
to get in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Won't matter. Wow, Okay, all right, here we go.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Let's move on to the game of the weekend, probably
Patriots Bills.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
This is a big one.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Josh Allen heads to Foxborough. Listen to Buffalo has dominated
the division over the last five years, but maybe things
have turned around. Mike Vrabel and company. They got a
two game lead with four left and Drake May. He
knows what's at stake here.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
Yeah, we are facing them. They've had a bulls eye
on their back for you know, really since if I
took it over the first year. You want to be
division champs, you know, coach like at the beginning of
the year, this is a grab team for us to
go win the division and you rack up the AFC East.
So we know it's gonna be tough. And we had
a great team coming in here and be cool to
do our own turf.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah. Game of the week is Detroit and the Rams.
That's a good one.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, I mean, that's just it feels like this is
maybe the changing of the guard in the division.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I oh, I think absolutely. And again if you like
the Patriot, I'll ask the question, you own the Buffalo
Bills year one of Mike Rabel and Drake May together, Yeah,
they beat the best quarterback in the league, your place
in their place. If New England wins, Sean McDermott ownership
has to look in the mirror on the GM and
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the coach. I don't think they're bad. I think they're capable.
But the best football player in the world at the
world is your quarterback. You can't finish second in a
quarterback league to young Drake May who is now he
hasn't entered his prime yet.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Okay, so just let's pump the brakes. So that was
a great win over Buffalo, undeniably. Buffalo, I believe had
three turnovers, like twelve penalties.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
They were a mess.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Do you if you want me to rattle off some
of the other quarterbacks that Rabel has.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Beaten this year? Yeah? Sure, go ahead, you ready? So
they beat Tua you know which doesn't a Pro Bowl?
Come on? They beat Bryce Young Why Shawn's gonna make
the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Stop it?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
They beat I don't even know if it was Spencer
Rattler or Tyler Shuck. But bottom line New Orleans cam
Ward whoever was I think Dylan Gabriel, Michael Pennix or
the back bottom didn't beat anybody outside of Josh Ow
No good wins, zero Collin and they did lose to
Geno Smith at this season over. I'm just saying, we
talked yesterday thirty second rank schedule. They have played Nobody's
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all right, you want to go ahead to head on
this one? For like a case of can we mentioned
alcoholic beveragism. I got Bills.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I hear this a lot. I hear this from fans lot.
Who did they beat? It's not college, it's pro football.
Who did they beat? A pro football team? Okay, yeah,
do I think the Jets are great?
Speaker 7 (20:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But the Jets before last week had like a four
game stretch where they played really good football. These are
pro athletes. They were all All Americans in college. You start,
you're you're winning nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen games. You're
doing specialty for them? Are great, their coach is great.
In fact, the weakness the reason I think this line
is favoring Buffalo. The one thing Buffalo defensively really struggles
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is stopping the run. New England's not a very good
running team. Well, their offensive lines is little sando.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
But again we're talking about our team with a ten
game win streak, playing at home off of buy and
they're underdogs. That should tell you that the better team
is Buffalo. I know New Engle beat him, but the
better team is Buffalo. Here, I think the Bills went
outright cal you got Patriots? I do, Okay, we'll make
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it interesting. Final story is our contractual obligation to Chicago
Caleb Williams big showdown in the frigid temperatures at Soldier Field.
I saw a negative wind chill expected. Sunday He's going
to be facing Miles Garrett and the Browns. Miles Garrett
is two and a half sacks away from the NFL
single season sack record.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Now, Caleb's done a good job of avoiding sax this year.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
One of his big strength with Ben Johnson and he
talked about not wanting to be another tombstone in Garrett's
quarterback graveyard.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
He has, as as the kids say, is a deep
bag of of you know, of tricks and whether it's
his his eurostaff, his speed is off the ball, you know,
they'll put him at the linebacker area and let him
just kind of.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Do his thing.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Obviously he's right there at the sack record, almost there
at the sack record, and so again to try and
make sure that he doesn't get the sack record on
us and on.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Me for the record, I know this matters to me
more than it does other people, and maybe I'm wrong.
Caleb Williams is excellent at the podium, always says the
right thing. Have you ever noticed it's very smart, very measured,
I told you the first thing I noticed about Dak
years ago. I'm like, he's good at the podium.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Well, listen, Caleb's nine and four. They're riding high. It's
easy to be happy and great at the podium.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I'm just saying, or in Dallas or philadel And these
these are hard. These are loud, large, well paid media
people with a big point of view. He never starts
a fire. He's always bringing down the temperature. Miles Garrett
is great. There's no cocky nonsense. It just matters. I
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like Caleb.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
He's had a great season. I was impressed against the Packers.
Then I started to look into the numbers. Come he
attempted thirty five passes against green Bay. Green Bay one
hundred eighty six yards. Okay, green Bay's defense is great,
and it was anyone has the number one run defense
in the league. I know Tennessee shredded them last year.
Not as good on the road, that's also true. I'm
if this is like a I know you're lying on
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Jalen Hurts. If he has to throw over thirty times,
fill over in trouble, I think it's the same. I
think the same applies to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And the Bears. Oh, come on, Caleb's a much better
pocket guy. I Caleb's got a better arm. Caleb throws
the ball over the middle, much better. Caleb is an
all time potential star. Yes, Jalen Hurts, second round quarterback
who had to transfer in college. Well, what does that
have to do with the I think there's limitations on
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what Jalen can do. I think Caleb's comp is Josh Allen.
He may not get there, but there's no ceiling on
Caleb Williams there. I mean, arm, movement, toughness, durability. Does
is Josh Allen? That's come on? Really, I like Caleb.
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I think the potential is there colin the numbers.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
It's year two, so I'm not gonna say so Jaron One,
you're with Ben Johnson?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Is this ignoring the rookie year? To me, it doesn't exist.
It only exists on Google.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
So to me, the Notre Dame of Miami season opener
didn't exist.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Jay mag with the News, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So I feel strongly about this, and I've talked about this,
but not to this level. Oklahoma City last Night crushed
another team. I don't want to hear that. It's Phoenix.
They're twenty four and one. Analytically, their all time rank
is number one. They're better than Katie and the Warriors,
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Shaq and Kobe, better than the MJ Bulls. They're easily
the best defensive team that's ever been formed in the
NBA analytically, and that's saying something. Because of the European pipeline.
We've never had more skill offensively, and yet they shut
it down. MJ's Bulls often played teams. Did you worry
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about Oaster Tag and T Bailey hitting a twenty four footer?
This team is insane. The coach the GM and if
you look at their best players, most aren't in their
prime yet. SGA is so oh yeah. They have three
first round picks this year, could win the lottery. They
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could have the number one pick. No egos, nothing's getting
way of this thing. And this is my point, this
is where I did. I don't get the anti dynasty crowd.
You do realize there's different ways to create a dynasty.
One of them was Golden State had a very rich owner.
He's like, all pay the tax penalty. Okac's going to
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create one because their GM's the best. San Antonio did
it with international scouting right like they were ahead of
everybody on international scouting. Miami did it because they convinced
Lebron to come play with his buddy, because they have
the best GM at the time, the great recruiter, pat Riley.
(26:40):
Everybody's owas tax the rich. Is that going to buy
you a house? Tax the rich? In nineteen eighty nine,
the wealthians Americans, the wealthiest Americans had one point seven
billion dollars. Today they have twenty three trillion. Excuse me,
they had one seven brillion to twenty three trillion. It's
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gone up thirteen times with seven different presidents, Republicans, Conservatives, liberals, progressives,
seven different presidents. Rich people have more money and a
greater share of it than they've ever had, and baseball's
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never had a more fascinating dynasty. My point is the
NBA is paralyzed by this, and part of Baseball's growth
is that they're not taxing the rich. Isn't buying you
a house, and those people are more willful, driven, often smarter, aspirational.
This idea we're just gonna pull everybody right to the middle.
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It doesn't work in sports. He used to be in
college football you could have one hundred and twenty five
scholarships offered. Then they kept reducing it, and yet we
had the greatest dynasty ever in Alabama. They kept reducing
Scotts and it didn't do anything. The Bama dynasty was
better than every previous dynasty. Oklahoma City has a chance
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to win five of the next six. They are stacked,
and they're doing it with a great GM who has
manipulated other weaker gms. And by the way, the new
CBA in the NBA is more punitive to a dumb
GM because if you make a mistake now as a
front office guy, you're done. You can't buy your way
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out of it. And all the owners are billionaires. So
this Oklahoma City, at least the Dodgers dynasty is interesting.
I got nothing against Oklahoma City, but it's it's it's depth.
SGA is a great player. They didn't really want to
talk much. Did you ever see their victory celebration after
they won. I got more excited at twenty four when
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I got a credit card and barely cared. And they're unemotional.
Small market, it is not really a market thing. Were
all trying to smush everybody together, and the NBA has
been paralyzed by this. Oh, we can't have dynasties. I
don't know. I thought the Heatles were awesome. I love
Jordan's bulls. I was really into Katie and the Warriors.
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Seven years seven teams. Baseball's like, hey, what evs?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Milwaukee's good, Seattle's good. So are the Cubs, the Dodgers,
the Yankees. The Mets have money, they stink. The Padres
have less. They're good. But this prime example is Oklahoma City.
They are analytically the best team ever and their players
are all young, and this matters in the NBA. Not
a lot of ego. The GM is brilliant, the coach
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is excellent, the depth is insane, the best defensive team ever.
SGA's a bucket home and Jalen Williams they go. They
go nine deep, and they're young. You're not gonna break
it up. And next year they have three first round picks.
They can get the number one pick in a loaded draft.
It's a dynasty. It's just a boring one. So stop
being paralyzed by it. Let players be players. There's a
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million different ways to get rich in America. Keep taxing them.
It's not gonna buy me a house.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Some people are just smarter than me, more willful. Well
the deck is stacked. Well then why is OKC winning?
Why are they so folks? They're winning by forty thirty.
I don't care how you get to a dynasty. The
Lakers did it with Los Angeles players. I mean they
didn't come here because the taxes were beneficial players for years.
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Came to LA because they had the cool brand. Friend
of mine was at the Laker game last night. He said,
everybody looks like they're on OnlyFans or an influencer. I mean,
that's the LA Laker crowd. It's not the Dodger crowd,
but it's the Laker crowd. It's like everybody's going to
a club. It's the cool place in the NBA. They
attracted players on that they didn't even know it. As
pam the most. The Dodgers defer payments, but great players
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want to play with great players, so the Dodgers do
with money. But the Dodger also don't miss on trades.
They do it because analytically they're smarter than everybody. So
everybody in the NBA is like, oh, they're gonna tank.
Who cares? Just be interesting. We're in the interesting business.
TikTok hulu, streaming ig, the markets all wide, and you're
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worried about we don't want a team to repeat. These
guys can reel off four straight.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Get me y Honist to the Knicks. I mean, get
me y Honist to the lakes. This whole thing worrying
about tanking, This whole thing worrying about dynasties. Dynasties are good.
Look at Baseball's ratings the last two years. They're exploding.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
You remember my line, give me super teams or give
me death. I want super teams in the NBA. The
problem with OKC is, like you said, they're boring, Colin,
What happens if they're the Spurs two point Oh they are.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's not a good thing.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Go look at whatever elite, what was going on in
the league. I think it's a good thing because in
the end, I root for greatness, and Sam Presty's GREATGA
is great, and the coach is great, and the fans
are loyal. But I'm not anti dynasty. My take is
there's a million ways to get rich in America, and
there's a million ways to form a dynasty. Some do
it with GM, some do it with pat Riley, some
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do it with LA's Vibe, some do it Dodgers with money.
George Steinbrenner, I thought it was great for baseball.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
We do need to remember OKC needed seven to take
out Denver last year in the playoffs, they needed seven
to take out the Pacers and Haliburton got hurt.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
So I get it. They're a great regularly. They're young
players now or you're better, They're good. They're really really good.
Bruce Feldman around the corner neck.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
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Speaker 1 (32:49):
Bruce Feldman been covering college football but thirty years now
on New York Times, best selling author, writer at the
Esteemed Athletic, and Fox Sports college football reporter. We don't
catch in at this early hour very much. This is
a treat for us. I've said this. There are certain jobs,
not all jobs, certainly, but there are certain jobs that
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your seriousness and maturity have to match. The job. Michigan
football is on a short list of all college jobs.
Is one of the most profound, an unbelievable university, a
global university. There are people insinuating that Michigan knew about
this for a long time, but you know there was
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recruiting signing day. What does your sourcing tell you on
when did this develop? When were there? I mean, was
this sudden or not?
Speaker 10 (33:40):
I think it was sudden in regard to what they
could prove to fire him. I think there was rumors
of this for at least a month from my understanding,
if not longer than that, and it wasn't. I feel
like it was a poorly kept secret to be honest
about this inappropriate relationship. But from our at the athletic,
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in the last you know, thirty six hours or so,
I think Michigan got more information that was really.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Damning that they could act on.
Speaker 10 (34:10):
And I think that was you know, that was it
from that point, from a sense of they can fire
him from for a cause for now, for this.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
But yeah, it's a really sad story.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
And the more the fallout of how it sounds like
sure On Moore has handled this in the last day
or so is really disturbing.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
He wasn't. He was a pretty good recruiter, although in
nil Generally the check is the recruiter. So Underwood's a
remarkable talent. But there's ten million dollars, which is double
what the coach was making. That's the world we live in.
It's a great job. Some would insinuate because of the timing,
although the portal doesn't open till January. Now, because of
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the timing, they're going to miss out on like top coaches.
But I watched Penn State get an excellent young coach,
Matt Amble, and that was a bigger mess in terms
of I mean recruiting. This is still a top five job,
is it? Even with this story? Right, it's the bluest
of blue, blue blood jobs.
Speaker 10 (35:11):
Jim Harbow won a national title, as we know, just
a couple of years ago, and there's a lot of
good young talents starting with Bryce Underwood. They signed a
top you know, one of the top running backs in
the country. There's a lot of pieces to work with,
you know. Absent of this, I think there were some
concerns about Sharon Moore as a head coach r you know,
going into into all of this, right, you know, he'd
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made questionable hires the last few you know, the last
few years on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Of the ball.
Speaker 10 (35:41):
They were terrible on offense last year. They were really
underwhelming on offense this year with some young talent. And
I think this was going to be a big off
season to see where it was going to go. Now
I think it's flipped. You know, I would say this
if Penn State didn't hire Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell probably
would have been a really good candidate for this job.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I don't know what they missed out on.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
You're Michigan, You're not going to hire a Lane Kiffin anyway,
you know, Like I think the guys that you're looking
at now we'll see what the timing is going to be.
Like Kaylen Deboor is a name that could make a
lot of sense from Michigan.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That to me is number one.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Right, you got a guy who he was not from
everything I was told from sources closer to bor a
factor in the Penn State search, and everything I've heard
is he likes it in Tuscaloosa, he and his family do.
But you know, they sputtered down the stretch. They barely
got into the playoff. If they lose next week in
the opening round at Oklahoma, and I.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Own money, they don't they don't meet the top of
the well.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
I would hold off on that piece of it because
they just signed a really, really good recruiting class at Alabama.
So I don't think it's like, oh I can get
more for this. I think, really, Colin, I think it
comes down to this. If they get knocked out early
in the playoff, there's going to be immense pressure mounting
on Kaalen de boor there.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'm not saying he's.
Speaker 10 (37:00):
Going to definitely bail, but it wouldn't surprise me. He
looked at and go, you know what, that might be
a better fit for me. Now you know, it's like
if people are again, and that's if he loses. Now, look,
we were in a weird situation last year with Ryan
Day around this time of year where people were writing
him off and he ended up winning a national title.
If somehow Alabama goes on a little run, I think
that builds him up some equity and then maybe he's
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not a candidate for Michigan.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So my theory has always been the greater the icon
you replaced, the wider the net has to be to
replace him. Saban leaves Caitlin de bores about as good
as you're going to get Harball leaves, we have somebody
that had never been a head coach. Why did they
go with proximity over resume.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
I think there was some pressure there where they looked
at it and said, you know, we had seen him
be a head coach because Harball got suspended for a
col you know, he's the head coach at the Penn
State game and players responded to him, and I think
they were hoping for continuity. Quite honestly, I think they
were also hoping that he would be able to keep
more of the staff that ended up coming out here
to Los Angeles. With Harbaugh, you had probably the best
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strength coach in the country in college football.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
That's a big thing. Ben Herbert.
Speaker 10 (38:08):
Ben Herbert decided to go with Harbaugh and leave. I
think Michigan folks thought he was going to stay in
Ann Arbor with Sharon, and I think that, you know, look,
they could see a small window of what he would
be as.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
A head coach.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
But again, this guy was the offensive line coach, right
and Harbaugh is such a big presence around the team,
you know. I think there was maybe some warning signs
that they'd look back on now and saying, all right,
maybe this guy's.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Not ready for this job.
Speaker 10 (38:37):
As you said, this is a different job than let's
say he got to be the head coach at Purdue,
where he got to be the head coach at Kansas State.
This is Michigan, you know, it's like Notre Dame. There's
very few schools that I think fit in this.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Realm. And let me throw out Jesse Mintter Chargers defensive coordinator,
defense second in the country. Will he be a candidate?
Speaker 10 (39:00):
I don't know on that because Jesse Mencher still has
for at least the time being a show cause with
the NCAA. The other thing is Jesse Mentor is like
this close away from any reviewing for NFL head coaching jobs.
Somebody I talked to yesterday he was close to both
Jesse Mentor and Mike McDonald was the Seahawks coach who
used to be at Michigan, was like, I don't think
those guys want to come back to Michigan or come
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back to this world of college football where you constantly
have free agency every year with all your players. That's
not how it is in the NFL. You know, that's
not a You know, if you're Jesse mentor, and you're
really close to gett an NFL head coaching job, why
would you jump back into this?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
So if Kaylen de Boor isn't landed Jedfish at Washington, maybe.
Speaker 10 (39:42):
Jedfish might make some sense. He worked at Michigan under
Jim Harbaugh. He just did an amazing job at Arizona.
They were horrible and then he got them to be
number eleven in the country and year three and he's
done a pretty good job at professions.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Coach, offensive coach.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
I think if you know, you got to remember Kayleen
de bor really good offensive system, Jedfish really really good
offensive coach. If you are trying to say to Bryce Underwood,
hey stick around, those guys might make a lot of sense.
And again, I think Jedfish knows you know, he was
in Michigan. He still has some ties to folks inside
the Michigan family. I think he would make a lot
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of sense for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Forty five seconds Marcus Freeman, NFL offers potentially, I think
he stays to you.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think he stays.
Speaker 10 (40:29):
I heard the Giants had some interest early on. I
heard he wasn't that interested in that, or wasn't interested
in that. I think he knows he's got a good situation. Obviously,
Notre Dame's had a lot of fireworks in the last
seventy two hours, but you know, the NFL is always
going to be there for him.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I think he's a great recruiter. To me, he's sort
of the gold standard of what you want with a
young coach.
Speaker 10 (40:48):
Yeah, he's a CEO guy who has a ton of
presence in charisma, and I think he's grown from the job.
He's taken what he learned from Jim Tressel and guys
he's learned along the way, and I think he's done
a really good job. I mean, you know, if I
was a Notre Aime fan, I would hate to see
him go.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Fifteen seconds timeline for Michigan hiring a new coach.
Speaker 10 (41:07):
You know, they have Biff Pogi right now as the interim.
They're going to play Texas in a bowl game at
the end of this month. I feel like they're going
to try to have as best stability as they can
and then I think they see they kick the tires
on De Boor and Fish and see what else happens
from there.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
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A very active, very troubling, dark day. Michigan's looking for
a new football coach, and let's start there. Sharon Moore
has been fired. So you know, there's two or three
elements to this. Number One is there are certain jobs
and maybe it's maybe it's thirty or forty percent of
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jobs in America. Maybe it's more it's not every job,
but certain jobs in America. You need an elevated sense
of character, both personally and professionally. You know, school president,
you hope, the church, college campus jobs. There are certain
jobs where you have to have a seriousness about you,
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in a maturity about you, so you can meet the job.
You can meet the program, you can meet the standard.
Michigan football is not only a college football job, it's
one of America's great public institutions. When I was a
kid growing up, to me Michigan football, this is way
pre Brady. I thought it was the best program in America.
Like the fight song, the crowd, the games, and Michigan
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football to me as a kid, even through college, like
that was the job, great university, wonderful fans, and Charon
More to me, I'll be honest with you, he always
felt like an interim coach. I just didn't think he
was that good of a coach, right Like, even at
his opening presser he kind of used a hardball quote.
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He didn't have his own identity. Again, I didn't think
he was that great of a coach, but he was
close to Jim Harbaugh. And my rule has never changed
in thirty years in this business. I have a rule
in sports and in any business, the greater the employee
you're asked to replace Jim Harball, the wider the search
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has to be. You can't just hand it to a
staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harball. Remember when
Bill Belichick left, who they handed to Belichick's favorite assistant,
girod Mayo. Disaster. Then they went and this is what
Michigan should do. Then they went got Mike Vrabel, And
Michigan needs to go after like a Kaylin de boor
(03:04):
don't know if he leave, but that's the kind of
guy I would go after. So listen, most vice presidents.
Vice presidents have ceilings, and that's vice president Searan Moore
could be a really, really good coordinator, maybe a head
coach at Michigan. Yeah, that's a big job. That is
a top five job in America. It's like basketball coach
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at Carolina or Duke and there's just a certain standard
and he didn't meet it. Secondly, there are reports that
Michigan knew about this for some time, but you know,
they didn't want to get in the way of signing
day well time out. When you're talking about like internal affairs,
you can't go on hearsay or rumor. You have to
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have admission and proof. Okay, that's why we have HR departments.
You can't go on, hey this guy in the internet
nailed it. You can get sued really quickly if you
make an assertion or an accusation and you don't have
an admission or absolute inarguable proof. Third is it's December eleventh,
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the Bulls haven't started college football playoffs a week away.
Michigan's got all sorts of time. The transfer portal now
the portal doesn't even open till January. It used to
be December. So Michigan's going to get a great coach.
They paid ten million for their quarterback. They're going to
get a really, really good coach. But to me, this
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is a cautionary tale of a man who probably wasn't
the best candidate available. In fact, he wasn't getting an
incredibly esteem job, and sadly his personal life, maybe due
to the pressure, completely unravels. I wish him the best.
Michigan will get a great coach. The portal opens up
(04:54):
in January. The university will be fine, you hope, the
people will be involved. We'll have Bruce Feldman on in
forty minutes. So earlier this week, Jay mc and I
went back and forth, and I said Rich Paul was right,
even if he said something that was uncomfortable, which is,
you know, the Lakers are not built to win a championship.
(05:16):
They're just not good enough, especially on defense. So last
night the Lakers hosted a really good team, probably capable
of winning the championship, San Antonio, and they hosted him
in LA. And let's just say we should have a
new segment on the show where Rich Paul was right.
The Spurs didn't even have seven foot four Wemby and
they did whatever they wanted offensively, fifty percent field goals,
(05:38):
forty five percent threes, fifty total rebounds, almost fifty points
in the paint. That's without seven to four Wemby. So
this is shaking out, as Rich Paul predicted and I
have been saying since the start of the season, even
when Lebron comes back, the Lakers are bad defensively. Since
Lebron returned, they're twenty six defensively. They don't do anything right.
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Defend the rim, defend the perimeter, defend the point. So
this is a team and roster with holes. And what
happened last night? What did the Spurs attack? Oh gritty
Austin Reeves. Spurs players who were guarded by Austin Reeves
shot an outrageous sixty three and a half percent. Oh wait,
(06:24):
that's what the Timberwolves did in the playoffs, attacked Austin Reeves.
A really good player, offensively works his butt off. Cool story,
gritty kid, but forty year old Lebron gritty Austin Reeves,
a marginally interested defender in Luca is not a Western
(06:44):
Conference finals team in the West. They're a fun team.
I love watching them. I mean, the crowds go to
a Laker game, it's a cool crowd. It's fun. There's
a lot of points. Unfortunately, good teams will score more.
And this is why it's so encouraging if you're a
Laker fan. The owners of the Lakers who have moved
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off Cody Bellinger, Trey Turner, Manny Machado, Corey Seeger great players,
but they go after Mookie and Freddie Freeman and Otani.
The standard for the Dodgers isn't keeping a very very
excellent player like Corey Seger. It's getting shoe Heey, Otani,
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Freddie Freeman and Mookie Betts. Everybody loves gritty Austin Reeves
and forty year old Lebron the future of this organization.
Two guys, Luca number one, JJ Reddick number two. Everybody
else is available to move. The Spurs did last night
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what the t Wolves did last year. Go after Austin Reeves.
That's exactly what they did without Wemby. They got every
look they wanted to. Go ahead and be a fanboy,
be an influencer, take cool picks. The difference between the
bus family and the current owners is a standard. Corey
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Seeger is replaceable. Otani isn't right, Trey Turns a good player.
Freddie Freeman's a Hall of Famer. Austin Reeves is a
good player. I'd move in five minutes if I could
sniff Yannis. Okay, it's not even it's not a discussion.
(08:33):
You wear your team jerseys, you take your pictures. JJ
Reddick knows when they play the top teams and the
great athletes in the West. Here's JJ Reddick with some truth.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Serum, the things that help you win on the margins.
We're just not very good at right now, and you know,
we got to ask a little bit more of everybody.
You know, we don't crash, you know, we can't. We
can't force a lot of turnovers. Kind if a team
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shoots well where we're going to be really in trouble.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
He's telling you what Rich Paul's telling you, what Uncle
Colin's telling you. They can't defend. It's not what they are.
They have three players that duplicate each other. Luca Lebron
and Austin Reeves are really really good. I mean, Lebron's
forty one, he's dunking at the rack. Austin Reeves are
going to get his points. Luca's better than both easily,
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but there's too much duplication. They've got to get bigger
to protect the rim. They've got to get stronger on
the perimeter defensively. I mean, JJ Reddick's telling you, you know,
teams hit shots. There's nothing we can do because teams
are going to get shots on the Lakers. JJ Reddick
is telling you the truth, whether you want to believe
(09:53):
it or not. All right, So Bruce Feldman is going
to be joining us in thirty minutes now. On the
Michigan situation. Again, it's early, the playoffs haven't started. The Bulls.
This is where the nil is very valuable and the
portal They've pushed it back to January, meaning if recruits
leave at Michigan, you can replace them. Remember, Michigan and
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Notre Dame have two of the top ten endowments in
the country. These are very wealthy schools. This is why
the Big Ten, in my opinion, now that Indiana is
a powerhouse. While the Big Ten has closed the gap
on the sec richer endowments, richer schools, richer graduates, bigger
(10:37):
schools flushing out graduates across the country to great jobs,
they come back, write checks. Michigan's going to be fine.
I'll root for the person sharonn More, but the Wolverine
since I was a kid, have always figured it out eventually.
Good stuff. Tom Brady joining us, Greg Cosel today as well. Man.
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all week. You know, Kansas City, they're not rebuilding, they're
just retooling. Because you know, if you've got Read and Mahomes,
(11:55):
you're okay. I've been asking every guest this week, rebuild
my belief or read tool, And the answer I get
from people I love at this company, well, it's just
a read tool. We got Mahomes, we got Read. Brady
left Belichick. You know why talent regression the roster. Yeah,
(12:16):
he didn't like Bill anymore, but he didn't really like
Bill ten years earlier. People get tackled in football. They
age very very quickly. Kansas City has gone from we
don't really need wide receivers. Kelsey and Mahomes will figure
it out. Two. We may finish sub five hundred, Andy
Reid is sixty seven, Travis Kelsey's going to retire, Chris
(12:39):
Jones won't. He'll be expensive, but he's not the player
he used to be. George Carloftis is a really good
pass rusher, but he's probably a little overpaid. His cap
hit much bigger next year. Rashi Rice not dependable, immature,
gets banged up. Josh Simmons the left tackle of injury issues,
(13:01):
some personal issues ongoing in life and in football. You
get a dose of reality sometimes. And Kansas City for
seven years, got every green light driving to work. They
were just winning close, come from behind, they got a
(13:21):
green light the entire drive to work for seven years.
Now they're stuck in traffic and this roster and they've
taken some risks. Josh Simmons was not on every board,
Rashi Rice not on every board. There's pro scouts know
they know about issues before they surface professionally. And I'll
(13:46):
say this again, I think I'm not saying it's a demo.
You don't have to tear the house down, but the
kitchen needs work, so does the roof, and a couple
of bathrooms. It's not just a tile job, fix and
clean up. The garage. So here's Patrick Mahomes on potentially
missing the postseason.
Speaker 5 (14:08):
We were in unprecedented territory, so place that we haven't
been since I've been here, and so I think you
lean on the guys that have kind of battled through
adversity and came out better on the other side. And
so when I look at it now, it's like, I mean,
I don't know what the percentages are of, but I
know they're not high. And I think it'd be special
if we get into the playoffs and we can make
a run. So why not give ourselves a chance to
(14:29):
do that? And we got to start about winning football games.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
For the record, twenty eighteen to twenty twenty two, before
the big Mahomes deal felt like it kicked in, this
team averaged thirty points a game. The last three years,
they're averaging a touchdown less a game. Name the Chiefs
top ten players right now, And I'm not talking on
resume or legacy. I'm not talking about Travis Kelce just
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because he has a great legacy. I'm saying, name their
top ten players. Chris Jones is not a top ten
d lineman right now, and he's one of them. And
he's near the top. Name their top ten player. Now
go name the Rams, the Lions, the Eagles top ten players.
Hell go name the Houston Texans top ten players. Name
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Seattle's top ten players. Name the Chiefs. Mahomes is one,
it's a lot of Trent McDuffie's two. You get to
about five and you're like, well, he's overpaid, Well he's old,
he's going to retire. I'm telling you this idea that, well,
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I've got Reid and Mahomes. Gms matter a lot. They
have got an ace this draft. They have got a
hit on four or five player. Brett Beach is great,
he can do it. But this idea, well, we're just
going to fix the guest room. Put some tile in
the kitchen. Now, kitchen, need to redo, roofs leaking, master
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bath to dump. Time to fix it. J Mack with
the news, Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
This is the herd Line News.
Speaker 6 (16:14):
Always fun when someone besides me goes in on the
Chiefs on this show.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
All right, let's get started. Collin with the Dallas Cowboys.
Speaker 7 (16:21):
Listen.
Speaker 6 (16:22):
It's been an up and down first year for Brian
Schottenneimer's head coach. They are six six and one. But
I mean, goodness gracious, twenty nine points per game, highest
ever by a Cowboys coach.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Pretty impressive.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Anyways, Dallas has a tough path to make the playoffs,
and here's what Shoddy says about that.
Speaker 8 (16:38):
Absolutely, but I don't think that's the only thing we're
judged Bonn. But that's what we want. You can't sit
up here and talk about winning world championships and if
you don't make the playoff, you don't have a chance
to win a world championship. So again, winning is the
number one objective. After that, it's building the culture. Minnesota
is our focus, Minnesota is my focus. But you know,
like I said, at the end of the day, we're
going to be judged on wins in law Susan. So
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let's start by getting first one and the fourth quarter
against Minnesota.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
Do like Dallas this week?
Speaker 6 (17:06):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:06):
Do you I think they're I think they're in a
testy mood after being humiliated those standalone games. When your
defense gives up forty four points, What do you bet
you get a spirited defensive effort from the Cowboys this week?
Speaker 6 (17:20):
Okay, I mean, but we expected that last week against
the Lions.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Ryan's up and down the field. Lions had a little
better quarterback O line.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
Definitely a better quarterback a Vikings O. Lion is rounding
in to form a little healthier shut out Washington last week, just.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Saying Dallas is better than what they showed Thursday night.
Speaker 6 (17:41):
Defensive, this will be a good one for JJ McCarthy.
So he struggled against good defenses.
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Okay, you can't run on Dallas.
Speaker 6 (17:48):
I'm going to run on I really think they need you.
Justin Jefferson chirping, this is shaping up as a big
JJ game. You gotta in fantasy start him big game.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
I really selling out to the public. I honestly think
Vikings can win us out right.
Speaker 6 (18:01):
Okay, all right, you see Lamb gonn play the way
they're gonna rush him back from a concussion to try
to get in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
Won't matter. Wow, Okay, all right, here we go.
Speaker 6 (18:10):
Let's move on to the game of the weekend, probably
Patriots Bills.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
This is a big one.
Speaker 6 (18:15):
Josh Allen heads to Foxborough. Listen to Buffalo has dominated
the division over the last five years, but maybe things
have turned around. Mike Vrabel and company. They got a
two game lead with four left and Drake May. He
knows what's at stake here.
Speaker 9 (18:30):
Yeah, we are facing them. They've had a bulls eye
on their back for you know, really since if I
took it over the first year. You want to be
division champs, you know, coach like at the beginning of
the year, this is a grab team for us to
go win the division and you rack up the AFC East.
So we know it's gonna be tough. And we had
a great team coming in here and be cool to
do our own turf.
Speaker 1 (18:50):
Yeah. Game of the week is Detroit and the Rams.
That's a good one.
Speaker 6 (18:54):
Yeah, I mean, that's just it feels like this is
maybe the changing of the guard in the division.
Speaker 1 (18:59):
I oh, I think absolutely. And again if you like
the Patriot, I'll ask the question, you own the Buffalo
Bills year one of Mike Rabel and Drake May together, Yeah,
they beat the best quarterback in the league, your place
in their place. If New England wins, Sean McDermott ownership
has to look in the mirror on the GM and
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the coach. I don't think they're bad. I think they're capable.
But the best football player in the world at the
world is your quarterback. You can't finish second in a
quarterback league to young Drake May who is now he
hasn't entered his prime yet.
Speaker 6 (19:32):
Okay, so just let's pump the brakes. So that was
a great win over Buffalo, undeniably. Buffalo, I believe had
three turnovers, like twelve penalties.
Speaker 7 (19:39):
They were a mess.
Speaker 6 (19:41):
Do you if you want me to rattle off some
of the other quarterbacks that Rabel has.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Beaten this year? Yeah? Sure, go ahead, you ready? So
they beat Tua you know which doesn't a Pro Bowl?
Come on? They beat Bryce Young Why Shawn's gonna make
the playoffs?
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (19:56):
Stop it?
Speaker 6 (19:57):
They beat I don't even know if it was Spencer
Rattler or Tyler Shuck. But bottom line New Orleans cam
Ward whoever was I think Dylan Gabriel, Michael Pennix or
the back bottom didn't beat anybody outside of Josh Ow
No good wins, zero Collin and they did lose to
Geno Smith at this season over. I'm just saying, we
talked yesterday thirty second rank schedule. They have played Nobody's
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all right, you want to go ahead to head on
this one? For like a case of can we mentioned
alcoholic beveragism. I got Bills.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
I hear this a lot. I hear this from fans lot.
Who did they beat? It's not college, it's pro football.
Who did they beat? A pro football team? Okay, yeah,
do I think the Jets are great?
Speaker 7 (20:45):
No?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
But the Jets before last week had like a four
game stretch where they played really good football. These are
pro athletes. They were all All Americans in college. You start,
you're you're winning nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen games. You're
doing specialty for them? Are great, their coach is great.
In fact, the weakness the reason I think this line
is favoring Buffalo. The one thing Buffalo defensively really struggles
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is stopping the run. New England's not a very good
running team. Well, their offensive lines is little sando.
Speaker 6 (21:15):
But again we're talking about our team with a ten
game win streak, playing at home off of buy and
they're underdogs. That should tell you that the better team
is Buffalo. I know New Engle beat him, but the
better team is Buffalo. Here, I think the Bills went
outright cal you got Patriots? I do, Okay, we'll make
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it interesting. Final story is our contractual obligation to Chicago
Caleb Williams big showdown in the frigid temperatures at Soldier Field.
I saw a negative wind chill expected. Sunday He's going
to be facing Miles Garrett and the Browns. Miles Garrett
is two and a half sacks away from the NFL
single season sack record.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
Now, Caleb's done a good job of avoiding sax this year.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
One of his big strength with Ben Johnson and he
talked about not wanting to be another tombstone in Garrett's
quarterback graveyard.
Speaker 7 (22:08):
He has, as as the kids say, is a deep
bag of of you know, of tricks and whether it's
his his eurostaff, his speed is off the ball, you know,
they'll put him at the linebacker area and let him
just kind of.
Speaker 2 (22:23):
Do his thing.
Speaker 7 (22:23):
Obviously he's right there at the sack record, almost there
at the sack record, and so again to try and
make sure that he doesn't get the sack record on
us and on.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Me for the record, I know this matters to me
more than it does other people, and maybe I'm wrong.
Caleb Williams is excellent at the podium, always says the
right thing. Have you ever noticed it's very smart, very measured,
I told you the first thing I noticed about Dak
years ago. I'm like, he's good at the podium.
Speaker 6 (22:52):
Well, listen, Caleb's nine and four. They're riding high. It's
easy to be happy and great at the podium.
Speaker 1 (22:57):
I'm just saying, or in Dallas or philadel And these
these are hard. These are loud, large, well paid media
people with a big point of view. He never starts
a fire. He's always bringing down the temperature. Miles Garrett
is great. There's no cocky nonsense. It just matters. I
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like Caleb.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
He's had a great season. I was impressed against the Packers.
Then I started to look into the numbers. Come he
attempted thirty five passes against green Bay. Green Bay one
hundred eighty six yards. Okay, green Bay's defense is great,
and it was anyone has the number one run defense
in the league. I know Tennessee shredded them last year.
Not as good on the road, that's also true. I'm
if this is like a I know you're lying on
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Jalen Hurts. If he has to throw over thirty times,
fill over in trouble, I think it's the same. I
think the same applies to Caleb Williams.
Speaker 1 (23:46):
And the Bears. Oh, come on, Caleb's a much better
pocket guy. I Caleb's got a better arm. Caleb throws
the ball over the middle, much better. Caleb is an
all time potential star. Yes, Jalen Hurts, second round quarterback
who had to transfer in college. Well, what does that
have to do with the I think there's limitations on
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what Jalen can do. I think Caleb's comp is Josh Allen.
He may not get there, but there's no ceiling on
Caleb Williams there. I mean, arm, movement, toughness, durability. Does
is Josh Allen? That's come on? Really, I like Caleb.
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I think the potential is there colin the numbers.
Speaker 6 (24:32):
It's year two, so I'm not gonna say so Jaron One,
you're with Ben Johnson?
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Is this ignoring the rookie year? To me, it doesn't exist.
It only exists on Google.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
So to me, the Notre Dame of Miami season opener
didn't exist.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Jay mag with the News, Well that's.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
The news, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (24:53):
So I feel strongly about this, and I've talked about this,
but not to this level. Oklahoma City last Night crushed
another team. I don't want to hear that. It's Phoenix.
They're twenty four and one. Analytically, their all time rank
is number one. They're better than Katie and the Warriors,
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Shaq and Kobe, better than the MJ Bulls. They're easily
the best defensive team that's ever been formed in the
NBA analytically, and that's saying something. Because of the European pipeline.
We've never had more skill offensively, and yet they shut
it down. MJ's Bulls often played teams. Did you worry
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about Oaster Tag and T Bailey hitting a twenty four footer?
This team is insane. The coach the GM and if
you look at their best players, most aren't in their
prime yet. SGA is so oh yeah. They have three
first round picks this year, could win the lottery. They
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could have the number one pick. No egos, nothing's getting
way of this thing. And this is my point, this
is where I did. I don't get the anti dynasty crowd.
You do realize there's different ways to create a dynasty.
One of them was Golden State had a very rich owner.
He's like, all pay the tax penalty. Okac's going to
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create one because their GM's the best. San Antonio did
it with international scouting right like they were ahead of
everybody on international scouting. Miami did it because they convinced
Lebron to come play with his buddy, because they have
the best GM at the time, the great recruiter, pat Riley.
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Everybody's owas tax the rich. Is that going to buy
you a house? Tax the rich? In nineteen eighty nine,
the wealthians Americans, the wealthiest Americans had one point seven
billion dollars. Today they have twenty three trillion. Excuse me,
they had one seven brillion to twenty three trillion. It's
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gone up thirteen times with seven different presidents, Republicans, Conservatives, liberals, progressives,
seven different presidents. Rich people have more money and a
greater share of it than they've ever had, and baseball's
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never had a more fascinating dynasty. My point is the
NBA is paralyzed by this, and part of Baseball's growth
is that they're not taxing the rich. Isn't buying you
a house, and those people are more willful, driven, often smarter, aspirational.
This idea we're just gonna pull everybody right to the middle.
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It doesn't work in sports. He used to be in
college football you could have one hundred and twenty five
scholarships offered. Then they kept reducing it, and yet we
had the greatest dynasty ever in Alabama. They kept reducing
Scotts and it didn't do anything. The Bama dynasty was
better than every previous dynasty. Oklahoma City has a chance
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to win five of the next six. They are stacked,
and they're doing it with a great GM who has
manipulated other weaker gms. And by the way, the new
CBA in the NBA is more punitive to a dumb
GM because if you make a mistake now as a
front office guy, you're done. You can't buy your way
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out of it. And all the owners are billionaires. So
this Oklahoma City, at least the Dodgers dynasty is interesting.
I got nothing against Oklahoma City, but it's it's it's depth.
SGA is a great player. They didn't really want to
talk much. Did you ever see their victory celebration after
they won. I got more excited at twenty four when
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I got a credit card and barely cared. And they're unemotional.
Small market, it is not really a market thing. Were
all trying to smush everybody together, and the NBA has
been paralyzed by this. Oh, we can't have dynasties. I
don't know. I thought the Heatles were awesome. I love
Jordan's bulls. I was really into Katie and the Warriors.
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Seven years seven teams. Baseball's like, hey, what evs?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
I mean?
Speaker 1 (29:22):
Milwaukee's good, Seattle's good. So are the Cubs, the Dodgers,
the Yankees. The Mets have money, they stink. The Padres
have less. They're good. But this prime example is Oklahoma City.
They are analytically the best team ever and their players
are all young, and this matters in the NBA. Not
a lot of ego. The GM is brilliant, the coach
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is excellent, the depth is insane, the best defensive team ever.
SGA's a bucket home and Jalen Williams they go. They
go nine deep, and they're young. You're not gonna break
it up. And next year they have three first round picks.
They can get the number one pick in a loaded draft.
It's a dynasty. It's just a boring one. So stop
being paralyzed by it. Let players be players. There's a
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million different ways to get rich in America. Keep taxing them.
It's not gonna buy me a house.
Speaker 2 (30:14):
I know.
Speaker 1 (30:14):
Some people are just smarter than me, more willful. Well
the deck is stacked. Well then why is OKC winning?
Why are they so folks? They're winning by forty thirty.
I don't care how you get to a dynasty. The
Lakers did it with Los Angeles players. I mean they
didn't come here because the taxes were beneficial players for years.
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Came to LA because they had the cool brand. Friend
of mine was at the Laker game last night. He said,
everybody looks like they're on OnlyFans or an influencer. I mean,
that's the LA Laker crowd. It's not the Dodger crowd,
but it's the Laker crowd. It's like everybody's going to
a club. It's the cool place in the NBA. They
attracted players on that they didn't even know it. As
pam the most. The Dodgers defer payments, but great players
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want to play with great players, so the Dodgers do
with money. But the Dodger also don't miss on trades.
They do it because analytically they're smarter than everybody. So
everybody in the NBA is like, oh, they're gonna tank.
Who cares? Just be interesting. We're in the interesting business.
TikTok hulu, streaming ig, the markets all wide, and you're
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worried about we don't want a team to repeat. These
guys can reel off four straight.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
Who cares?
Speaker 1 (31:24):
Get me y Honist to the Knicks. I mean, get
me y Honist to the lakes. This whole thing worrying
about tanking, This whole thing worrying about dynasties. Dynasties are good.
Look at Baseball's ratings the last two years. They're exploding.
Speaker 6 (31:39):
You remember my line, give me super teams or give
me death. I want super teams in the NBA. The
problem with OKC is, like you said, they're boring, Colin,
What happens if they're the Spurs two point Oh they are.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's not a good thing.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Go look at whatever elite, what was going on in
the league. I think it's a good thing because in
the end, I root for greatness, and Sam Presty's GREATGA
is great, and the coach is great, and the fans
are loyal. But I'm not anti dynasty. My take is
there's a million ways to get rich in America, and
there's a million ways to form a dynasty. Some do
it with GM, some do it with pat Riley, some
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do it with LA's Vibe, some do it Dodgers with money.
George Steinbrenner, I thought it was great for baseball.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
We do need to remember OKC needed seven to take
out Denver last year in the playoffs, they needed seven
to take out the Pacers and Haliburton got hurt.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
So I get it. They're a great regularly. They're young
players now or you're better, They're good. They're really really good.
Bruce Feldman around the corner neck.
Speaker 2 (32:43):
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Speaker 1 (32:49):
Bruce Feldman been covering college football but thirty years now
on New York Times, best selling author, writer at the
Esteemed Athletic, and Fox Sports college football reporter. We don't
catch in at this early hour very much. This is
a treat for us. I've said this. There are certain jobs,
not all jobs, certainly, but there are certain jobs that
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your seriousness and maturity have to match. The job. Michigan
football is on a short list of all college jobs.
Is one of the most profound, an unbelievable university, a
global university. There are people insinuating that Michigan knew about
this for a long time, but you know there was
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recruiting signing day. What does your sourcing tell you on
when did this develop? When were there? I mean, was
this sudden or not?
Speaker 10 (33:40):
I think it was sudden in regard to what they
could prove to fire him. I think there was rumors
of this for at least a month from my understanding,
if not longer than that, and it wasn't. I feel
like it was a poorly kept secret to be honest
about this inappropriate relationship. But from our at the athletic,
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in the last you know, thirty six hours or so,
I think Michigan got more information that was really.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Damning that they could act on.
Speaker 10 (34:10):
And I think that was you know, that was it
from that point, from a sense of they can fire
him from for a cause for now, for this.
Speaker 1 (34:18):
But yeah, it's a really sad story.
Speaker 10 (34:22):
And the more the fallout of how it sounds like
sure On Moore has handled this in the last day
or so is really disturbing.
Speaker 1 (34:31):
He wasn't. He was a pretty good recruiter, although in
nil Generally the check is the recruiter. So Underwood's a
remarkable talent. But there's ten million dollars, which is double
what the coach was making. That's the world we live in.
It's a great job. Some would insinuate because of the timing,
although the portal doesn't open till January. Now, because of
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the timing, they're going to miss out on like top coaches.
But I watched Penn State get an excellent young coach,
Matt Amble, and that was a bigger mess in terms
of I mean recruiting. This is still a top five job,
is it? Even with this story? Right, it's the bluest
of blue, blue blood jobs.
Speaker 10 (35:11):
Jim Harbow won a national title, as we know, just
a couple of years ago, and there's a lot of
good young talents starting with Bryce Underwood. They signed a
top you know, one of the top running backs in
the country. There's a lot of pieces to work with,
you know. Absent of this, I think there were some
concerns about Sharon Moore as a head coach r you know,
going into into all of this, right, you know, he'd
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made questionable hires the last few you know, the last
few years on the offensive side.
Speaker 4 (35:40):
Of the ball.
Speaker 10 (35:41):
They were terrible on offense last year. They were really
underwhelming on offense this year with some young talent. And
I think this was going to be a big off
season to see where it was going to go. Now
I think it's flipped. You know, I would say this
if Penn State didn't hire Matt Campbell, Matt Campbell probably
would have been a really good candidate for this job.
Speaker 1 (36:00):
I don't know what they missed out on.
Speaker 10 (36:01):
You're Michigan, You're not going to hire a Lane Kiffin anyway,
you know, Like I think the guys that you're looking
at now we'll see what the timing is going to be.
Like Kaylen Deboor is a name that could make a
lot of sense from Michigan.
Speaker 1 (36:13):
That to me is number one.
Speaker 10 (36:15):
Right, you got a guy who he was not from
everything I was told from sources closer to bor a
factor in the Penn State search, and everything I've heard
is he likes it in Tuscaloosa, he and his family do.
But you know, they sputtered down the stretch. They barely
got into the playoff. If they lose next week in
the opening round at Oklahoma, and I.
Speaker 1 (36:36):
Own money, they don't they don't meet the top of
the well.
Speaker 3 (36:39):
I wouldn't.
Speaker 10 (36:40):
I would hold off on that piece of it because
they just signed a really, really good recruiting class at Alabama.
So I don't think it's like, oh I can get
more for this. I think, really, Colin, I think it
comes down to this. If they get knocked out early
in the playoff, there's going to be immense pressure mounting
on Kaalen de boor there.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
I'm not saying he's.
Speaker 10 (37:00):
Going to definitely bail, but it wouldn't surprise me. He
looked at and go, you know what, that might be
a better fit for me. Now you know, it's like
if people are again, and that's if he loses. Now, look,
we were in a weird situation last year with Ryan
Day around this time of year where people were writing
him off and he ended up winning a national title.
If somehow Alabama goes on a little run, I think
that builds him up some equity and then maybe he's
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not a candidate for Michigan.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
So my theory has always been the greater the icon
you replaced, the wider the net has to be to
replace him. Saban leaves Caitlin de bores about as good
as you're going to get Harball leaves, we have somebody
that had never been a head coach. Why did they
go with proximity over resume.
Speaker 10 (37:43):
I think there was some pressure there where they looked
at it and said, you know, we had seen him
be a head coach because Harball got suspended for a
col you know, he's the head coach at the Penn
State game and players responded to him, and I think
they were hoping for continuity. Quite honestly, I think they
were also hoping that he would be able to keep
more of the staff that ended up coming out here
to Los Angeles. With Harbaugh, you had probably the best
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strength coach in the country in college football.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
That's a big thing. Ben Herbert.
Speaker 10 (38:08):
Ben Herbert decided to go with Harbaugh and leave. I
think Michigan folks thought he was going to stay in
Ann Arbor with Sharon, and I think that, you know, look,
they could see a small window of what he would
be as.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
A head coach.
Speaker 10 (38:23):
But again, this guy was the offensive line coach, right
and Harbaugh is such a big presence around the team,
you know. I think there was maybe some warning signs
that they'd look back on now and saying, all right,
maybe this guy's.
Speaker 1 (38:35):
Not ready for this job.
Speaker 10 (38:37):
As you said, this is a different job than let's
say he got to be the head coach at Purdue,
where he got to be the head coach at Kansas State.
This is Michigan, you know, it's like Notre Dame. There's
very few schools that I think fit in this.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Realm. And let me throw out Jesse Mintter Chargers defensive coordinator,
defense second in the country. Will he be a candidate?
Speaker 10 (39:00):
I don't know on that because Jesse Mencher still has
for at least the time being a show cause with
the NCAA. The other thing is Jesse Mentor is like
this close away from any reviewing for NFL head coaching jobs.
Somebody I talked to yesterday he was close to both
Jesse Mentor and Mike McDonald was the Seahawks coach who
used to be at Michigan, was like, I don't think
those guys want to come back to Michigan or come
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back to this world of college football where you constantly
have free agency every year with all your players. That's
not how it is in the NFL. You know, that's
not a You know, if you're Jesse mentor, and you're
really close to gett an NFL head coaching job, why
would you jump back into this?
Speaker 1 (39:37):
So if Kaylen de Boor isn't landed Jedfish at Washington, maybe.
Speaker 10 (39:42):
Jedfish might make some sense. He worked at Michigan under
Jim Harbaugh. He just did an amazing job at Arizona.
They were horrible and then he got them to be
number eleven in the country and year three and he's
done a pretty good job at professions.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
Coach, offensive coach.
Speaker 10 (39:57):
I think if you know, you got to remember Kayleen
de bor really good offensive system, Jedfish really really good
offensive coach. If you are trying to say to Bryce Underwood,
hey stick around, those guys might make a lot of sense.
And again, I think Jedfish knows you know, he was
in Michigan. He still has some ties to folks inside
the Michigan family. I think he would make a lot
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of sense for a lot of people.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Forty five seconds Marcus Freeman, NFL offers potentially, I think
he stays to you.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
I think he stays.
Speaker 10 (40:29):
I heard the Giants had some interest early on. I
heard he wasn't that interested in that, or wasn't interested
in that. I think he knows he's got a good situation. Obviously,
Notre Dame's had a lot of fireworks in the last
seventy two hours, but you know, the NFL is always
going to be there for him.
Speaker 1 (40:42):
I think he's a great recruiter. To me, he's sort
of the gold standard of what you want with a
young coach.
Speaker 10 (40:48):
Yeah, he's a CEO guy who has a ton of
presence in charisma, and I think he's grown from the job.
He's taken what he learned from Jim Tressel and guys
he's learned along the way, and I think he's done
a really good job. I mean, you know, if I
was a Notre Aime fan, I would hate to see
him go.
Speaker 1 (41:03):
Fifteen seconds timeline for Michigan hiring a new coach.
Speaker 10 (41:07):
You know, they have Biff Pogi right now as the interim.
They're going to play Texas in a bowl game at
the end of this month. I feel like they're going
to try to have as best stability as they can
and then I think they see they kick the tires
on De Boor and Fish and see what else happens
from there.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Bruce Feldman, what a good job the Athletic, follow his stuff,
read The Athletic and others. Tom Brady, Greg Cosell around
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