December 11, 2025 • 41 mins
7-time Super Bowl champion Tom Brady joins the show to preview Lions vs. Rams, evaluate Caleb Williams’ development in Year 2, and discuss whether the Kansas City Chiefs dynasty is nearing its end
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Tom Brady, seven time Super Bowl champ, Fox Sports twenty
three NFL season. All right, boy, you got a good
one this week, Lions or Rams? So it's interesting when
I watched the and I asked this all the time.
The other night, I had a dinner with a jam
in the NFL, and I love this question. I said,
you know, is it scheme or is it players? When
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you watch the Rams? Do you see brilliant schemes? Do
you is it talent? Because man, when they need eleven
yards they get it. What are you seeing when you
watch the film?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
First of all, it's good to be on the show.
Why have you not invited me at all this season?
I thought we were in a good rhythm last year.
We go to the Super Bowl and all of a sudden,
I'm like xed out from the show. But I'm glad
we could at least come on here before the end
of the regular season. Yeah, it's it's pretty Uh, it's
been pretty awesome. I've covered him a few times this year.
I think with Stafford and McVeigh have going Between the
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two of them, they're just totally in sync.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And you throw in these receivers.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
They've got, you know, obviously Puka and Davonte. The mix
of tight ends, they had four pretty good tight ends.
I know Higbe's on ir right now, but they're really
using a lot of different personnel groupings.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And then Quorum last.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Week was ridiculous against the Cardinals over one hundred and
I think as a team over two hundred and fifty
yards Russian. So you got Kiren, you got Blake Korum,
you got these tight ends. And one of the most
underrated aspects this team is offensive line.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
These guys are playing ridiculous upfront.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
There's not allowed penetration in the run game allow I
think the least amount of negative plays than eight team
in the league. So it's just it's pretty awesome to watch.
I'm fired up because it's Lions, one of my favorite
offenses to watch with Jared Goff and the Rams with Stafford,
two kind of classic pocket passers. They play the game
from their from their neck up, and they obviously have
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great ability to pass the football and they're throwing it
to guys that are extremely talented at receiver. They got
great run games, great coaches, aggressive coaches. So this is
a perfect game for America's Game of the Week on
Fox on.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Sunday at four twenty five Eastern.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So you were an outlier in terms of playing and
being an incredible shape late Stafford. You know he didn't.
You had some really Dante Scneccia. You had good protection
most of your career. You know, he got the great
protection kick. Yeah, he got the you know what kicked
out of him for years in Detroit until he inherited
you know, Whitworth and McVeigh and the schemes. But when
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you did get older, let's let's let's take thirty nine
for you, maybe forty three for Stafford. Thirty seven were
of their things you had to do as an older
quarterback that you didn't at twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Oh man, I think you're The processes just get better
as you get older because you understand really what's important
for you.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Over the course of the season, so you.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Don't waste any time being inefficient in the offseason with
your training or in training camp. You don't waste throws,
you don't waste workouts. Everything is like with the real
intention to it. So I was very fortunate in twenty
three seasons. I mean, I still think I could play now,
but it's just the thought of doing it in the
commitment that it takes from someone like Matt or Aaron Rodgers,
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Like they're committing year round for that, and that's that's
a big commitment. It's like running a marathon. Yeah, everyone
wants to run the last three miles, like Philip Rivers
is doing, but it's it's hard to run all twenty
six And it's not just the running of the twenty
six miles, it's all the preparation for the running. And
I think when you get older and you got a
life full of responsible abilities, it gets just a little
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bit more challenging.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But Matt's making look awesome.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
He's just had an incredible season, MVP caliber season, and
again just to cover him again, I think for me
to watch him play and to watch his style of
play and the kind of innovation on offense with McVeigh
and how they each week find different little weaknesses to
exploit on.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
The opposing defense. That's an awesome thing to watch from
the booth.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So obviously you can improve as any athlete. But somebody
once told me this, a real smart GM said, you
can't take a B plus guy and make him an
A plus guy. You can take people up like a
half a grade. You can take a B minors to
a B plus. Right, Like, there's this sense that So,
I mean, you were drafted in Major League Baseball, you
had perfect size, you were under represented in terms of
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your skill. You didn't go from ded at the greatest
of all time, so you were undervalued in the skill department.
Your size, your arm strengths was always top of the league,
near the top. So when I when I when I
look at Caleb Williams, I've argued, he's never going to
be Drew Brees. I don't need him to be Drew
Brees because I got a horse power and movement. Is
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there a line for you with a Josh Allen or
a Caleb that they can do so many things with
their horsepower that but is there align with him? You're like, Okay,
you got to get at least to sixty two or
do you not necessarily care about his accuracy right now?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, I always care about accuracy from a quarterback standpoint,
because when you get to the bigger games and the
playoffs and the defenses are better in the margin of
eras less, you have to be an incredibly accurate passer.
And the passing game is so important when you're behind
in games because you know, if you're playing with a
lead and you're running the ball and.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Play action and pass.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
A lot of times with play action pass you can
get guys open by you know, three four yards of separation.
So therefore you don't need to be as accurate when
you are down twenty eight to three. You better be
extremely accurate because the windows are very tight. You're going
to have to throw, you know, thirty forty passes in
the second half and overtime of a game against a
myriad of different coverages, so you're gonna have to understand
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the strengths and weaknesses of.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
All the coverages.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think there's a lot of ways to get the
job done at quarterback. You know, there's a lot of
guys in the UNIFI have different skill sets. I do
believe it's a passing league. It always has been, it
always will be. You can benefit from a great running game,
But when the rubber meets the road and you're in
big time moments and you're in games where it's very contested,
you're going against a team that's at a similar pedigree,
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you better be an elite passer, an elite processor processor.
You better have great and tangibles and resilience built up
in you.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
To be the leader of that team.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And I when I watch different guys play, I see
that in them. You know, Patrick Mahomes has that, Josh
Allen has that, Jared Goff has that, Matthew Stafford has
that Lamar Jackson has that. There's a lot of guys
that I love their style of play. The inaccurate guys,
they have to work really hard at their craft to
be better. There were certain things I was not good at.
I was always a pretty good passer. I was really
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weak kind of my physical strength was weak. I had
to build up the durability in the pocket. I had
to continue to learn the offense because I knew that
when the ball was in my hands, nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Good was going to happen with our offense.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So the faster I could get it out of my
hands into the hands of Edelman or Welker or Moss
or Mike Evans or Godwin or Gronk, Well, then our
offense was going to move. So I had to kind
of decipher the coverage pre snap. Go, Okay, this is
the best place to go with the ball before the
ball was snapped. If I didn't know where the ball
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was going before the snap, I didn't snap the ball.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I would just get us into a better play.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And that's why guys are wide open and go, oh
my god, well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
We got them open.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Because if I was able to develop a tool kit
in a skill set to change plays at the line
of scrimmage, audible, to change protections, to change route combinations.
I watch Peyton Manning do that for years. We just
exploited the weak parts of defense. And the problem in
the NFL today is guys aren't doing that. Guys aren't
being developed through college, and then when they get to
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the pro they're so far behind that the coach feels like, Okay,
I need to control this game from the sideline. So
what I'm going to do is I'm going to make
these all these pass plays progression reads. We're going to
start on the right side of the field with the
first receiver, second receiver, and we're just going to sweep
the board and come across. And the problem is you can't.
You never develop real autonomy at quarterback to get your
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team in the best play. You essentially become a robot
for the coach. So the teams that I think have
a great advantage going forward are the ones with the
older quarterbacks who the coaches do give them the autonomy
to say, Okay, whatever you see out there, you can
change the play. You can get us in the right play.
We trust you, And therefore, in big moments, we're going
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to put the ball in your hands. And I think
that's the best style of play for sustained success in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So this week, I and and you know, I was
never going to be two hundred and fifty pounds and ripped.
I have a genetic limitation, and I know that although
I once dunk to basketball Tom, no video surface, but
I once did.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But the point is, I'll take word for it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Everybody has to. So I put up a screen. I said,
I want everybody to look at these quarterbacks who are
either leading in the MVP race, lead their division or
their name is Joe Burrow. And here's the graphic sixty
six six six six five six five six four six
four sixty three sixty three. I like Jalen Hurts, I
like Tua, but Tom, you can't tell me. I've stood
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next to you. I'm tall. I look up at you.
It's six and a half. Tom Brady. I'm just saying
I don't think you're hoist on as many trophies. So
when people say what's wrong with Jalen Hurts says, folks,
you can't see as much. That's not a criticism.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Right, Yeah, it's a great point, and it's if you
just look at the history of quarterbacks in the NFL,
how many below six foot two and under have had,
you know, sustained successor up there.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
In passing yardage.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's just hard because you've got to see over at
least the center, who is typically the shortest guy on
the field, because he's standing right in front of you,
and he opens up the entire middle part of the field.
So it's easy if you're not as tall to throw
to the perimeter of the field because there's more vision
out there. You're only probably working through a tackle. But
when you're looking over the middle of the field, let's
say between the hashes, you're looking between the right guard,
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the center and.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
The left guard.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You've got to have the height to see over the
top of people, and then the delivery has to be
over the top of the offensive lineman and the defensive linemen.
And those guys are big guys. Those guys aren't five
foot ten. Those guys are six foot two, six foot three,
So you've got to have the arm angle to get
the ball over them, and that opens up the middle
part of the field.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So what I see with a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Of guys who aren't as tall, they throw throw the
ball more to the perimeter of the field.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It's harder to throw the ball to the.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Perimeter of the field because the ball has a longer
distance to go and you don't get as much run
after catch if you're running across the field and a short,
shallow route over the middle.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
If you catch it, you've.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Got twenty five yards from the point you catch it
in the middle to turn the ball up the sideline
where you can gain a lot of yards after catch.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So I just I think.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
There's I'm not saying you can't be successful if you're
under six foot two. It's just the chance of being
successful is less. And yes, there are anomalies. I think
Drew Brees is one of them. Drew Brees played very tall,
you standing up in the pocket A lot of times,
he was up on the balls of his feet. He
had a very high release. The ball came out very quickly,
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so he found a way to But he also worked
at it extremely hard for a long time in order to.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Make those improvements as well.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And I don't think you can discount the fact that
if you want to be successful in the NFL, you
better have the drive and determination every day of your life,
in season and offseason, to try to go out and
be the best in the world. You've got to be
brushing your teeth in the morning, thinking about your throwing mechanics,
thinking about the calls your coach is going to make
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on third down, the anticipation you need to throw in
a particular game.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
This has to be your life. It has to be
so important.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
That you're thinking about it all day, every day, certainly
during the season.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So I had picked before the season. Sometimes I get lucky.
I said, the team that's going to double their win
total and make the playoffs that you think is bad
as New England. I did not think Drake May would
be this good this early. What was the first thing
you saw with Drake? First thing you saw you played
the position and you went, oh, okay, that's beyond franchise
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because I think the NFL historically gives you a franchise
quarterback every year to the draft. But every five years
you get a U. You get them Montana. That's rare.
I mean, I'm just a TV viewer. What did you
see that I couldn't spot early with this ascension?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, some of it is.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You know, Josh McDaniel is still one of my great friends.
I mean I've known him for twenty five years, and
he just talks about his work ethic, his willingness to
get better and improve weekend and week out. He's a
sponge for information and that's more important to me than
what I see on the film because when I hear that,
I know that he's doing the thing that takes during
the week that are going to show up consistently on
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the field. Other people, other coaches with other teams will
say their quarterback, as you know, he's the first one out.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Of the building.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know, he's he's he doesn't study, he does never
opens his iPad. I hear that from time to time
and I go, okay, well I could see why on
the film. Well that guy's not being successful. So with Drake,
he has the physical ability, he has the size, but
I think in terms of physical skill set, his downfield
passing ability is awesome. So you know, Josh McDaniels has
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done incredible job this year for the Patriots. Drake is
running the same system that I was in. I know
how good that system is for quarterbacks. How Josh does
teach these young quarterbacks all the different reasons why he's
doing what he's doing, Why we're trying to beat this coverage,
or how we're gonna protect to give you the best
chance to be successful. So he's in a great system
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to be successful. Brabel is focusing on the defense, as
he should be. Josh focus on the offense. That offense
just like in the early two thousands. The offense is
carrying the defense, just like in Brabel's defense of the
days when I was a young second year quarterback in
New England.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So we've had this argument this week. Everybody is telling me.
They say, well, the Chiefs are just a little retool.
I mean, they've got Ma Holmes and they've got Andy Reid.
And I said, time out, name their ten best players.
I said, if you name the Seahawks, you get down
to eight and you're like, damn, guys, that guy's the
third best guy in the league his position. You do
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the Rams tens, I'm like, man, Jared versus three, you
could be there. You get to the Chiefs ten best.
I'm not talking legacy and resume, and I'm saying I
think it's better than Buffalo's roster that I don't love.
I think it's a little bit more of a rebuild.
You know, once you pay you took pay cuts for
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a lot of the stuff. You start paying fifty five
fifty eight for a quarterback. I think it's a bit
more of a rebuild in Kansas City? Am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
It'll be interesting to see what happens. You know, we'll
see how the season plays out. But they have Andy Reid,
they have Patrick Mahomes, they have Steve Spagnolo, bred Veitch
Clark Hunt. They got the foundations for success in Kansas City.
So I know it's been not a typical year for them.
I'm never counting them out until they're mathematically eliminated. I
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think when you have Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid and
you're competing against them, you should worry about them. They're
battle tested, they have proven that there's competitive as anybody
in the league. So there's always chances for every team.
They're gonna have to fix things at the end of
every season. Every team's gonna have to fix things at.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The end of every season.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
But when you have those two pieces in place, Read
and Mahomes, I think everything is a little tinkering. I
don't think anything's a true rebuild when you have those
two guys at the top.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Okay, so Philip Rivers is going to play this week,
and he's one of my favorite people that's ever played
in the league. He is so genuine and authentic and funny.
In fact, he was the first quarterback that ever told me,
he goes, I gotta be honest, I like the process
better than the game. He goes, I love the week
of practice. And he was a trash talker, like he's
the all time Southern trash talker. If I I guess
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his high school is running the same offense the idea.
And by the way, he moved like a batting cage
when he was playing. So the idea if I said
to you tomorrow, Ring Ring, Tom, can you play day
if you kind of knew the offense? Could you generate drives?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yes? I certainly could.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
But first of all, who retires and then unretires and
then is ultimately and retiring man?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Who does that?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Even it's ridiculous, and Philip to do that, it's right
good for him. I'm happy he's doing it. I think
the answer for me would be yes, I'm not allowed
to anymore because I'm an owner of a minority owner
of the Raider, so I can'tn retire. But I'm very
excited to watch Philip play because if he's out there,
I think it's just very cool. You know, he's It
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speaks to you know how much he loves the game
and really what he's able to do still. And this
game is about for the quarterback from the neck up.
And we have a saying at Michigan the mental is
to the physical as four is to one at the
quarterback position, and that doesn't really go away.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
That's still up there. Do you have the physical ability
to still do it.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Take the hits, make the throws, the drops, you know,
buy a little time in the pocket. And if Philip
has practicing those things, then we're all going to see
it on full display in Seattle on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So I want to go back to Detroit Rams. It's
the game you have, and I think it's interesting. Earlier
this year, I thought Green Bay was a little broken offensively,
but Matt Lafleuur solved it. And I've said this for years, Tom,
I would rather have an offensive coach than a defensive coach.
That said, I think Demico Ryans, Vrabel, Mike McDonald are studs.
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They're great, Yea. I look at Detroit and I kind
of I'm not sure week to week. They're not as
good on third down, They're not as good a fourth down.
But I want to go to a macro picture here
because not every game for Tom Brady was great. Over
the course of a season, you lose a left guard
and then your slot receiver shows up pregame and can't
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make cuts. How did you fix? Because the Rams haven't
been broken this year, They've made changes. The Lions have
felt their weeks are broken. How do you solve that
what is the first thing you would do if you're
like guys, the tape shows were just not right. There's
no rhythm. What do you do to solve that?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
So I think the most important thing, and we used
to term a lot, certainly on broadcasting, is we'll say
complementary football. So when I was, for example, with the Patriots,
and those were twenty of the best years the NFL
has ever seen in terms of a standard of excellence
that was put out there on the field, is we
tried to win all three phases of the game every week.
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It wasn't just these three parts of our team offense, defense.
Special teams will all operate independently, and you'd be very
surprised that a lot of teams see them as three
individual teams within the same team.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
But I knew we were.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Going to win special teams every week because the emphasis
that Bill Belichick put on special teams, not just from
a meeting standpoint, but the types of players that he
brought on the team to execute our special teams units
like Larry Izzo, like Matt Slater, like Nate Ebner, like
Lonnie Paxton. We kept them as foundational pieces. So there
was a standard of performance from special teams. So if
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we won special teams and we won offense, well we
won two of the three phases of the game. Not
to mention, we usually had one of the top defenses
in the league. So if we had let's say, the
best special teams unit and we won on defense and
offensively we were injured, we would have to play maybe
a little bit less aggressively. We'd punt a little bit more,
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we'd throw the ball a little less, we'd run the
ball a little more. We would do different things within
our offensive scheme to try to compliment the other pieces.
Because alls we were trying to do was win that week.
And I think what a lot of people miss out
on is Okay, you're down this particular receiver.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, what do we do.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Well, we're playing the Colts and they have a tremendous offense.
The first thought on our offense was, let's run the
ball a lot to try to minimize the amount of possessions.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
We'll give the ball to the Colts. Let's run the ball,
let's control the clock.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Let's try to win time of possession thirty five minutes
to twenty five minutes. Because if they're not on the field,
they're not scoring. That's the best that's the best defense
we can play. And every week there was a different formula.
The urgency was there every week by our coaching staff,
and that was communicated to our players about this is
how we're going to win this week. That's the most
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important thing, not what are we going to do two
weeks from now when other guys are healthier, other guys
are injured, or we don't know the strengths and weakness
of that opponent. But we're going to evaluate the opponent
we're going to play. We're going to see their strengths,
we're going to see their weaknesses. We're going to try
to attack their weaknesses, and we're going to try to
mitigate their strengths in all three phases of the game.
That is an urgency that is probably missing, you know,
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a lot in the NFL. There's probably three or four
teams that really do that, but most of them don't
do that. And that's why when you get some injuries
to a team, to one of those lesser teams, well
they are screwed because if they're slot receivers down, or
their tight ends down, or their correct they're not going
to score points and if they don't score points, they're
not going to win.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I'll wrap up with this. Last week was one of
the first weeks, maybe the week before that, I watched
football and I thought, good God, this looks miserable. It
looks so cold, it's snowing. It's awful. I have this
sinking suspicion that you actually liked cruddy weather because you
viewed it as an advantage because you were a great
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lousy weather. Your ball, your hip movement, you were a
great crafty I've told you that Chicago game in Soldier
Field left sideline. I remember watching him thinking that is
a perfect cold weather throw. So when the game looks miserable,
were you sitting there on Wednesday thinking, Peyton's going to
be cold. He plays in the Dome, I can't wait?
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Did you like it?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I looked at the weather more than anybody in the
history of the NFL. My weather app was on overdrive
during the football season, constantly looking at the conditions we
were playing in, the conditions that are other teams that
our confidence were playing in. And because we were in
New England and we really never practiced inside, we got
so used to all the elements. We got used to
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the wind. I had to really work hard to throw
a very tight spiral. I worked on my mechanics incessantly
so that I could drive the ball through the wind.
And the tighter the spiral was, the more it could
penetrate the wind. So I knew I had to throw
a tight spiral. I knew I had to keep my
body warm. And how was I going to keep my
body warm? How many layers was I going to wear?
You know, how many did I wear the scuba suit?
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If it was below twenty degrees? When did I put
it on. You just get so good because you practice
in it all year round. In the springtime, we go
back in April, we'd have forty five degree days in
the rain. We'd be outside working out. So you just
get accustomed to that environment. And now this time of
year in the NFL, in the Northeast and the Midwest,
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you know, these outdoor games, they come down to weather
eighty percent of the time. You better be good in it,
and you better embrace it rather than see it as
a big disadvantage. And that's what we did. We always
saw as an advantage. The shittier the weather, the better
we are gonna go out there.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And play, by the way, the broadcasting thing. You're having fun. Listen,
I told you that I said this off the air
to you. You asked me before your first game. It
said something like, listen, you're gonna be nervous. I should
have really said something nice. I was like, Tommy, you're
gonna be nervous for the first five minutes. And you're like, oh, thanks.
Really that really helped a lot.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Calling.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But like, it's I think broadcasting similar to football. It's
just reps. It's like work reps. And I will just
say this, Are you enjoying it as much as it
appears you're enjoying it?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I could not have imagined it the transition being any
more fun and enjoyable than it's been. I have the
greatest team in the world, the greatest partner in Kevin Burkhart,
Aaron and Tom Dean Blandino up there with me in
the boot, the people that work with us, our whole crew,
our director, rich and Richie, our producer, our whole crew,
(25:06):
our graphics team, everybody in the truck, our cameramen. We
have so much fun. It is such a team environment.
We give each other shit all day, We laugh all day.
You know, and we get to cover football, and the
only thing you want as a broadcaster is a good game.
I'm rooting for good game, for good football. I want
to see guys perform very well. I want to see
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quarterbacks play well. I want to see them read the defense.
I want to see good blocks. I want to see
hard hits. I want the viewer to really understand why
this game is so fun to watch, and then teach
them a little bit along the way about you know,
different things that may come up. But it's such an
entertaining it's such an entertaining medium, and I think I've
really enjoyed it and it's gone on. You know, you
(25:48):
continue to gain more confidence about what your role is
and I just know our best is yet to come.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
But saying your role is welcome, you know, I don't,
they asked me. I always tell management, I don't bother him.
He's busy, he's always welcome. But you know, you're always welcome.
So we just love having you on it and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Thanks Colin. Yeah, you do such a great job.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
You keep up the great work your IOE on top
of everything, and it's it's amazing what you do every day.
So keep up the great work yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
All right, Thanks Tom, Yeah, it's thanks.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You bet. Broadcasting's fun. It is got good cruise here
and I'll watch the cold well. I always said, there
was always a piece of video. It was live. I
was watching. It was on another network and it was
I lived on the other coast and I was watching.
It was New England. It was Brady against Peyton Manning
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and it was like AFC Championship or something, and it
was snowing in Foxboro. Therefore, you know, I was an
hour and a half away. It was snowing at my
house and it was just one of those things. It
was a big sandwich game, big sandwich. I'm sitting watching
TV for four hours and Jim Nantz is getting ready,
you know, he's, oh boy, I got the kickoffs coming
up next. And they show a picture of Peyton Manning
(27:07):
snowing and he looks so cold, and I'm sitting with
a friend. I'm like, game's over. New England's winning the game.
I said, look at Manning and it just looked like
he was, you know, he's playing the dome and it
was it was Foxborough cold, and I'm like that's bad
body language, like he's cold now, and the Patriots did
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win that game. By the way, we'll take a break.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
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Tom Brady just stopped by for about twenty five minute interview.
One of the things I asked him about is, you
know bow Nicks and Caleb Williams. I've comped them. They
have great offensive coaches, They're very athletic, they can make
big plays, they're excellent late in games, but both have
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struggled with accuracy, Specifically, Caleb Williams and Tom Brady said
that will eventually be a problem.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
When you get to the bigger games in the playoffs
and the defenses are better in the margin of eras less,
you have to be an incredibly accurate passer, and the
passing game is so important when you're behind in games,
when you are down twenty eight to three, you better
be extremely accurate because the windows are very tight.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You're gonna have to.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Throw, you know, thirty forty passes in the second half
in overtime of a game against a myriad of different coverages,
so you're gonna have to understand the strengths and weaknesses
of all the coverages.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, it's and you could argue, we'll see Colin green
Bay's an elite team and an elite defense, and he
threw a big interception. Fair argument. He also made two
or three throws that I'm not sure three guys in
the league can make. But Chicago in a rare spot
this weekend. They're a big favorite over Cleveland and that defense.
So we'll keep our eye on that and we'll have
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Herdline news next.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
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Speaker 6 (29:48):
We've got a huge sec Biggies battle on Fox. College
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eastern Fox.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
It's not a waste study time lot to talk about.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Turns. This is the headline news.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
All right. We got to go back to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
It is looking bleak. Three straight losses in a row.
The Vibes Bunny deal thing is over. Jalen Hurts, Listen,
let's be real. He's had a rough stretch here.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
He only had two picks coming into the Monday night football.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
He had four five turnovers overall.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
He's confident in a bounce back against the hapless Raiders.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Success or greatness, those things aren't in near. You have yours,
you have your downs with Sabah, you respond to it,
and I think about think about that. I mean, it's
it's nothing new that I haven't faced before. It's a
matter of responding to it. And I got a lot
of confidence how we respond. I've got a lot of
confidence how we go.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Really struggled reading that Jesse mintor zone defense just confused,
throws off Raiders play a lot of his own. Fortunately,
Raiders aren't any good players on their defense. But you
believe in a bounce back here.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right I do.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I don't like these big spreads, Well, then just do
like a money line parlay the five big favorites. Put
them all together, which one of the ore the Jags losers,
the jedli my favorites, the Texans. Texans are beating the Cardinals.
I don't see the Eagles losing to the Raiders. If
they do, then we can talk about Defcon one and
what your favorite big number of the week.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It might be the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I don't know what a good bye. I don't know
how Minnesota is going to score. You're a value investment.
I don't know how the cult are going to score
on the Seahawks. They won't, probably like twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Nothing may mean John Taylor Taylor breaks off a big
run or something, but I think the Eagles bounce back. Listen,
if they struggle against the Raiders, we really have problems. Otherwise,
I think they're fine and they coast after this. They
have Washington could be Daniels or Mariota Buffalo good game, and.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Then Washington again.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
They're making the playoffs, right, Sirianni cannot possibly butcher this.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'm not so sure what really Buffalo beats them and
Washington beat some ones.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Which Washington team shows up? I mean, come on, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I mean, I guess, yeah, they'll minimum they win ten,
They're gonna host a playoff game.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I think that Seahawks at Eagles would be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Oh that would wait, Sam Darnold January outdoors against the
Eagles defense. That's gonna be a low scoring game. I
don't know. Weirdly I like the Eagles. I mean it
helps because the crush the Chiefs in the Super Bowl,
so I love them. But anyways, let's move on to.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
The Pittsburgh Steelers. There were some Mike Tomlin drama recently.
Colin fans were chanting fire Tomlin, but there was a
report that talked about Tomlin during the final years of
his deal. Well, according to Steelers to a Steelers.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Insider, get this, the leak of.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Tomlin's contract came from his agent, and the insider for
the Steelers believes they're setting things up for a parting
of ways with the Steelers and Tomlin after the season,
So Tomlin's people leaked at Tomlin's people leaked it to
show that Pittsburgh has a March first deadline to pick
up his twenty twenty seven option. So by March first,
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if they don't pick up the option, he's a lame
duck coach. Nobody wants to be lame duck, right. I
just still don't agree with this. I know a lot
of Steelers fans are like, we had a good run,
it's over, You're moving on from Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I feel like every Steelers season is the same as
I grabbed. Well, when you watch this team, what is
the only redeemable or give me things that you know
you're gonna get every week.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Mike Tomlin showing up on the sideline, good quotes, And
I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Know about TJ. Watt. I don't know if you saw,
we'll see what the healthy Aaron Rodgers has been one
of the more come on.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
He would couldn't move in the pocket against the Bills, okay,
and then a week later we look good against the Ravens.
I don't think he's consistent. DK Metcalf has been up
and down. They don't You're right, they don't have any
great players anymore? Who's your best player on the Pittsborg
Seiels don't say Rogers, It's.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
They're center from West Virginia, Fraser, If you say so,
I mean, I just don't know that they have a
lot of high end talent. Shalen Wore in their running back.
I think TJ. Watt is one or two. And then
the center for must.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Ja what I believe as a career low in pressures
this season.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, yeah, when I suggested last year and you did,
it's time to move him. That was met with outrage.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Yeah, gotta get ahead of that stuff. Uh, Steelers hosting
the Dolphins Monday night football.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I see a three as well all Miami games. Check
the weather.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
If it's in the thirties, consider fading the Dolphins. Although
that did not work against the Jets. Last week's final
story Shiner Sanders. We have not talked about him yet today.
Obviously he's battled, Uh, you know, to move up the
depth chart, and he's out starting the final three games
of the season.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
There's a great coach. Sell acknowledged he was good on tape.
He was good on tape against Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Okay, anyway, here's what Shador said about the audition that
he has to be the starter of the rest of
the season.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
I just go here and enjoy my day, you know,
work hard, do everything I can, and if I'm here,
I'm here. I'm not like it's none in my control.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So I try to control what I can't control.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
That's going out there making the right reads, going out
there doing the right things, being the person I am,
and uh, things will fall how they're supposed to.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Good quote is that Shador flexing his own merch there
at the at the FT. I mean I saw a
money sign and to the second palle, I think I've
never seen that before.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, I think I think he's played well. I think
I think there's a percentage of people in America that
think there are those of us rooting against him. I
thought he was going to be a first round pick,
so I look like a dope because he goes in
the fifth round. So I liked him out of college.
I didn't think he had a traits, but I thought
he was a good beat at dart.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Right, there's a clean window.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't think people are rooting against him. I think
there's people absolutely rooting for him. Some what bizarrely. Uh,
but this idea that there's this group of people on
the Browns and outside of the Browns rooting against if
you will. Yeah, it's like, folks, I don't like watching
bad quarterback play. I like one. I mean, Chador's games
(36:34):
are fun to watch. He's gonna throw a really bad
pick every week. That's what young quarterbacks do.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
I mean, the guy's had two starts at home. Okay,
Dylan Gabriel was like, hey, go international game, go play
over there. He's better than Dylan. Come back and play
the Steelers. I don't know, he's got much higher So
you should we should have Sefan Ski on the show
and ask.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Him what he thinks. Well, he's not gonna give it obviously.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
I mean if he thinks Chador is better, he would
have started Chadur.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, Chador wasn't ready because Dylan had so many college starts,
he was more prepared. I agree.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
I mean you could say Chadour has the higher ceiling,
Dylan Gabriel has the higher floor. I mean if that, yeah, yeah,
I mean neither of them is starting week going kids,
they mature at different paces incredibly, so yeah, like it's
bizarre who's the.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Starting quarterback for Brown's Week one next year.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Oh stop, they're too good to get the number one
or number two pick. They're gonna win games. What No, really, could.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
We get this Brown schedule for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean, I mean, don't game here we go. Okay,
So they're losing the Bears. They ain't beating the Bills.
Let me tell you something. They're gonna give that Bills.
They can run the ball. They just lost to the Titans,
the one win Titans. How are they beating any of
these teams. Cleveland's absolutely winning one of those games. Absolutely,
Cleveland's winning one of those games that off social media
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Teamsburg Cincinnati could win.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
List the more she do her on tape, they're gonna
just eat him up.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I mean that resurgent Bengals. I'm telling you can't say
the straight face. You can say what you want. They
beat Green Bay. That's with the less talented quarterback. Well
that was Flaco actually less talented.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
So just remember Fernando Mendoza could go one or two.
If the Titans get one, they're not taking it, and
then I don't think there's a big trade up.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
So it's a browns Land tool there's gonna be a
huge trade up for Fernando Mendoza for massive three ones,
three one. I'm not joking.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
If the Jets do that, I will renounce on this show.
My Jets fandom. Thirty years as a Jets fan, it's over.
I'm not trading up three ones. That's insanity.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Stop. Okay, three, I didn't say it, didn't get stuff back?
Couple five, round, fifth round. I love those Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Tom Brady was on earlier and everybody knows how aspirational
he's been. But he started talking about, you know, the
things that he looks for in quarterbacks and a lot
of it's just the drive, the want to be great.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
If you want to be successful in the NFL, you
better have the drive and determination every day of your life,
in season and off season, to try to go out
and be the best in the world. You've got to
be brushing your teeth in the morning, thinking about your
throwing mechanics, thinking about the calls your coach is going
to make on third down, the anticipation you need to
(39:37):
throw in a particular game.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
This has to be your life.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
It has to be so important that you're thinking about
it all day.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Every day, certainly during the season.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's very true about
almost everything, is that you know, there's one or two
things are true. You have work. You have to outwork
people to move up the chain faster, and you also
have to take some big swings in your life or
you're going to be in the middle of the pack.
And I you know, I mean Tom took a big
(40:08):
swing going to Tampa. And you say, well, what kind
of big swing it was. When he was in New England,
the regular commentary was, well, Belichick's about seventy thirty. Belichick
won eleven games with Matt Cassel. I mean, this is
way Tom changed the entire narrative. He goes to Tampa,
wins the Super Bowl, New England circles the dream. That
(40:32):
was a risk. Not a lot of people predicted Tom's
going to the wacky Buccaneers. That's not what people thought.
When that came out, people went WHOA. Then they looked
at it and went, Bruce arians good receivers, He's going
to bring Gronk down. But it is you got to
take swings That's why I don't beat up people too much.
When they take swings and miss, you got to take them,
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and the hit rate. The bigger the swing, the uglier
the miss, and the more often you miss. First things
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Tom Brady, seven time Super Bowl champ, Fox Sports twenty
three NFL season. All right, boy, you got a good
one this week, Lions or Rams? So it's interesting when
I watched the and I asked this all the time.
The other night, I had a dinner with a jam
in the NFL, and I love this question. I said,
you know, is it scheme or is it players? When
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you watch the Rams? Do you see brilliant schemes? Do
you is it talent? Because man, when they need eleven
yards they get it. What are you seeing when you
watch the film?
Speaker 3 (00:58):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
First of all, it's good to be on the show.
Why have you not invited me at all this season?
I thought we were in a good rhythm last year.
We go to the Super Bowl and all of a sudden,
I'm like xed out from the show. But I'm glad
we could at least come on here before the end
of the regular season. Yeah, it's it's pretty Uh, it's
been pretty awesome. I've covered him a few times this year.
I think with Stafford and McVeigh have going Between the
(01:21):
two of them, they're just totally in sync.
Speaker 3 (01:23):
And you throw in these receivers.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
They've got, you know, obviously Puka and Davonte. The mix
of tight ends, they had four pretty good tight ends.
I know Higbe's on ir right now, but they're really
using a lot of different personnel groupings.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
And then Quorum last.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Week was ridiculous against the Cardinals over one hundred and
I think as a team over two hundred and fifty
yards Russian. So you got Kiren, you got Blake Korum,
you got these tight ends. And one of the most
underrated aspects this team is offensive line.
Speaker 3 (01:52):
These guys are playing ridiculous upfront.
Speaker 4 (01:55):
There's not allowed penetration in the run game allow I
think the least amount of negative plays than eight team
in the league. So it's just it's pretty awesome to watch.
I'm fired up because it's Lions, one of my favorite
offenses to watch with Jared Goff and the Rams with Stafford,
two kind of classic pocket passers. They play the game
from their from their neck up, and they obviously have
(02:17):
great ability to pass the football and they're throwing it
to guys that are extremely talented at receiver. They got
great run games, great coaches, aggressive coaches. So this is
a perfect game for America's Game of the Week on
Fox on.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Sunday at four twenty five Eastern.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
So you were an outlier in terms of playing and
being an incredible shape late Stafford. You know he didn't.
You had some really Dante Scneccia. You had good protection
most of your career. You know, he got the great
protection kick. Yeah, he got the you know what kicked
out of him for years in Detroit until he inherited
you know, Whitworth and McVeigh and the schemes. But when
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you did get older, let's let's let's take thirty nine
for you, maybe forty three for Stafford. Thirty seven were
of their things you had to do as an older
quarterback that you didn't at twenty seven.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Oh man, I think you're The processes just get better
as you get older because you understand really what's important
for you.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
Over the course of the season, so you.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Don't waste any time being inefficient in the offseason with
your training or in training camp. You don't waste throws,
you don't waste workouts. Everything is like with the real
intention to it. So I was very fortunate in twenty
three seasons. I mean, I still think I could play now,
but it's just the thought of doing it in the
commitment that it takes from someone like Matt or Aaron Rodgers,
(03:40):
Like they're committing year round for that, and that's that's
a big commitment. It's like running a marathon. Yeah, everyone
wants to run the last three miles, like Philip Rivers
is doing, but it's it's hard to run all twenty
six And it's not just the running of the twenty
six miles, it's all the preparation for the running. And
I think when you get older and you got a
life full of responsible abilities, it gets just a little
(04:01):
bit more challenging.
Speaker 3 (04:02):
But Matt's making look awesome.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
He's just had an incredible season, MVP caliber season, and
again just to cover him again, I think for me
to watch him play and to watch his style of
play and the kind of innovation on offense with McVeigh
and how they each week find different little weaknesses to
exploit on.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
The opposing defense. That's an awesome thing to watch from
the booth.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
So obviously you can improve as any athlete. But somebody
once told me this, a real smart GM said, you
can't take a B plus guy and make him an
A plus guy. You can take people up like a
half a grade. You can take a B minors to
a B plus. Right, Like, there's this sense that So,
I mean, you were drafted in Major League Baseball, you
had perfect size, you were under represented in terms of
(04:51):
your skill. You didn't go from ded at the greatest
of all time, so you were undervalued in the skill department.
Your size, your arm strengths was always top of the league,
near the top. So when I when I when I
look at Caleb Williams, I've argued, he's never going to
be Drew Brees. I don't need him to be Drew
Brees because I got a horse power and movement. Is
(05:14):
there a line for you with a Josh Allen or
a Caleb that they can do so many things with
their horsepower that but is there align with him? You're like, Okay,
you got to get at least to sixty two or
do you not necessarily care about his accuracy right now?
Speaker 4 (05:30):
Well, I always care about accuracy from a quarterback standpoint,
because when you get to the bigger games and the
playoffs and the defenses are better in the margin of
eras less, you have to be an incredibly accurate passer.
And the passing game is so important when you're behind
in games because you know, if you're playing with a
lead and you're running the ball and.
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Play action and pass.
Speaker 4 (05:51):
A lot of times with play action pass you can
get guys open by you know, three four yards of separation.
So therefore you don't need to be as accurate when
you are down twenty eight to three. You better be
extremely accurate because the windows are very tight. You're going
to have to throw, you know, thirty forty passes in
the second half and overtime of a game against a
myriad of different coverages, so you're gonna have to understand
(06:13):
the strengths and weaknesses of.
Speaker 3 (06:15):
All the coverages.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I think there's a lot of ways to get the
job done at quarterback. You know, there's a lot of
guys in the UNIFI have different skill sets. I do
believe it's a passing league. It always has been, it
always will be. You can benefit from a great running game,
But when the rubber meets the road and you're in
big time moments and you're in games where it's very contested,
you're going against a team that's at a similar pedigree,
(06:39):
you better be an elite passer, an elite processor processor.
You better have great and tangibles and resilience built up
in you.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
To be the leader of that team.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
And I when I watch different guys play, I see
that in them. You know, Patrick Mahomes has that, Josh
Allen has that, Jared Goff has that, Matthew Stafford has
that Lamar Jackson has that. There's a lot of guys
that I love their style of play. The inaccurate guys,
they have to work really hard at their craft to
be better. There were certain things I was not good at.
I was always a pretty good passer. I was really
(07:10):
weak kind of my physical strength was weak. I had
to build up the durability in the pocket. I had
to continue to learn the offense because I knew that
when the ball was in my hands, nothing.
Speaker 3 (07:21):
Good was going to happen with our offense.
Speaker 4 (07:23):
So the faster I could get it out of my
hands into the hands of Edelman or Welker or Moss
or Mike Evans or Godwin or Gronk, Well, then our
offense was going to move. So I had to kind
of decipher the coverage pre snap. Go, Okay, this is
the best place to go with the ball before the
ball was snapped. If I didn't know where the ball
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was going before the snap, I didn't snap the ball.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
I would just get us into a better play.
Speaker 4 (07:48):
And that's why guys are wide open and go, oh
my god, well, yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
We got them open.
Speaker 4 (07:52):
Because if I was able to develop a tool kit
in a skill set to change plays at the line
of scrimmage, audible, to change protections, to change route combinations.
I watch Peyton Manning do that for years. We just
exploited the weak parts of defense. And the problem in
the NFL today is guys aren't doing that. Guys aren't
being developed through college, and then when they get to
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the pro they're so far behind that the coach feels like, Okay,
I need to control this game from the sideline. So
what I'm going to do is I'm going to make
these all these pass plays progression reads. We're going to
start on the right side of the field with the
first receiver, second receiver, and we're just going to sweep
the board and come across. And the problem is you can't.
You never develop real autonomy at quarterback to get your
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team in the best play. You essentially become a robot
for the coach. So the teams that I think have
a great advantage going forward are the ones with the
older quarterbacks who the coaches do give them the autonomy
to say, Okay, whatever you see out there, you can
change the play. You can get us in the right play.
We trust you, And therefore, in big moments, we're going
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to put the ball in your hands. And I think
that's the best style of play for sustained success in
the NFL.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
So this week, I and and you know, I was
never going to be two hundred and fifty pounds and ripped.
I have a genetic limitation, and I know that although
I once dunk to basketball Tom, no video surface, but
I once did.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
But the point is, I'll take word for it.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Everybody has to. So I put up a screen. I said,
I want everybody to look at these quarterbacks who are
either leading in the MVP race, lead their division or
their name is Joe Burrow. And here's the graphic sixty
six six six six five six five six four six
four sixty three sixty three. I like Jalen Hurts, I
like Tua, but Tom, you can't tell me. I've stood
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next to you. I'm tall. I look up at you.
It's six and a half. Tom Brady. I'm just saying
I don't think you're hoist on as many trophies. So
when people say what's wrong with Jalen Hurts says, folks,
you can't see as much. That's not a criticism.
Speaker 4 (09:59):
Right, Yeah, it's a great point, and it's if you
just look at the history of quarterbacks in the NFL,
how many below six foot two and under have had,
you know, sustained successor up there.
Speaker 3 (10:12):
In passing yardage.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's just hard because you've got to see over at
least the center, who is typically the shortest guy on
the field, because he's standing right in front of you,
and he opens up the entire middle part of the field.
So it's easy if you're not as tall to throw
to the perimeter of the field because there's more vision
out there. You're only probably working through a tackle. But
when you're looking over the middle of the field, let's
say between the hashes, you're looking between the right guard,
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the center and.
Speaker 3 (10:37):
The left guard.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
You've got to have the height to see over the
top of people, and then the delivery has to be
over the top of the offensive lineman and the defensive linemen.
And those guys are big guys. Those guys aren't five
foot ten. Those guys are six foot two, six foot three,
So you've got to have the arm angle to get
the ball over them, and that opens up the middle
part of the field.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
So what I see with a lot.
Speaker 4 (10:58):
Of guys who aren't as tall, they throw throw the
ball more to the perimeter of the field.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
It's harder to throw the ball to the.
Speaker 4 (11:04):
Perimeter of the field because the ball has a longer
distance to go and you don't get as much run
after catch if you're running across the field and a short,
shallow route over the middle.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
If you catch it, you've.
Speaker 4 (11:14):
Got twenty five yards from the point you catch it
in the middle to turn the ball up the sideline
where you can gain a lot of yards after catch.
Speaker 3 (11:21):
So I just I think.
Speaker 4 (11:22):
There's I'm not saying you can't be successful if you're
under six foot two. It's just the chance of being
successful is less. And yes, there are anomalies. I think
Drew Brees is one of them. Drew Brees played very tall,
you standing up in the pocket A lot of times,
he was up on the balls of his feet. He
had a very high release. The ball came out very quickly,
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so he found a way to But he also worked
at it extremely hard for a long time in order to.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Make those improvements as well.
Speaker 4 (11:52):
And I don't think you can discount the fact that
if you want to be successful in the NFL, you
better have the drive and determination every day of your life,
in season and offseason, to try to go out and
be the best in the world. You've got to be
brushing your teeth in the morning, thinking about your throwing mechanics,
thinking about the calls your coach is going to make
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on third down, the anticipation you need to throw in
a particular game.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
This has to be your life. It has to be
so important.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
That you're thinking about it all day, every day, certainly
during the season.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
So I had picked before the season. Sometimes I get lucky.
I said, the team that's going to double their win
total and make the playoffs that you think is bad
as New England. I did not think Drake May would
be this good this early. What was the first thing
you saw with Drake? First thing you saw you played
the position and you went, oh, okay, that's beyond franchise
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because I think the NFL historically gives you a franchise
quarterback every year to the draft. But every five years
you get a U. You get them Montana. That's rare.
I mean, I'm just a TV viewer. What did you
see that I couldn't spot early with this ascension?
Speaker 3 (13:07):
Well, some of it is.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
You know, Josh McDaniel is still one of my great friends.
I mean I've known him for twenty five years, and
he just talks about his work ethic, his willingness to
get better and improve weekend and week out. He's a
sponge for information and that's more important to me than
what I see on the film because when I hear that,
I know that he's doing the thing that takes during
the week that are going to show up consistently on
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the field. Other people, other coaches with other teams will
say their quarterback, as you know, he's the first one out.
Speaker 3 (13:34):
Of the building.
Speaker 4 (13:35):
You know, he's he's he doesn't study, he does never
opens his iPad. I hear that from time to time
and I go, okay, well I could see why on
the film. Well that guy's not being successful. So with Drake,
he has the physical ability, he has the size, but
I think in terms of physical skill set, his downfield
passing ability is awesome. So you know, Josh McDaniels has
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done incredible job this year for the Patriots. Drake is
running the same system that I was in. I know
how good that system is for quarterbacks. How Josh does
teach these young quarterbacks all the different reasons why he's
doing what he's doing, Why we're trying to beat this coverage,
or how we're gonna protect to give you the best
chance to be successful. So he's in a great system
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to be successful. Brabel is focusing on the defense, as
he should be. Josh focus on the offense. That offense
just like in the early two thousands. The offense is
carrying the defense, just like in Brabel's defense of the
days when I was a young second year quarterback in
New England.
Speaker 3 (14:34):
That's the way it goes.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
So we've had this argument this week. Everybody is telling me.
They say, well, the Chiefs are just a little retool.
I mean, they've got Ma Holmes and they've got Andy Reid.
And I said, time out, name their ten best players.
I said, if you name the Seahawks, you get down
to eight and you're like, damn, guys, that guy's the
third best guy in the league his position. You do
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the Rams tens, I'm like, man, Jared versus three, you
could be there. You get to the Chiefs ten best.
I'm not talking legacy and resume, and I'm saying I
think it's better than Buffalo's roster that I don't love.
I think it's a little bit more of a rebuild.
You know, once you pay you took pay cuts for
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a lot of the stuff. You start paying fifty five
fifty eight for a quarterback. I think it's a bit
more of a rebuild in Kansas City? Am I wrong?
Speaker 4 (15:30):
It'll be interesting to see what happens. You know, we'll
see how the season plays out. But they have Andy Reid,
they have Patrick Mahomes, they have Steve Spagnolo, bred Veitch
Clark Hunt. They got the foundations for success in Kansas City.
So I know it's been not a typical year for them.
I'm never counting them out until they're mathematically eliminated. I
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think when you have Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid and
you're competing against them, you should worry about them. They're
battle tested, they have proven that there's competitive as anybody
in the league. So there's always chances for every team.
They're gonna have to fix things at the end of
every season. Every team's gonna have to fix things at.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
The end of every season.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
But when you have those two pieces in place, Read
and Mahomes, I think everything is a little tinkering. I
don't think anything's a true rebuild when you have those
two guys at the top.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Okay, so Philip Rivers is going to play this week,
and he's one of my favorite people that's ever played
in the league. He is so genuine and authentic and funny.
In fact, he was the first quarterback that ever told me,
he goes, I gotta be honest, I like the process
better than the game. He goes, I love the week
of practice. And he was a trash talker, like he's
the all time Southern trash talker. If I I guess
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his high school is running the same offense the idea.
And by the way, he moved like a batting cage
when he was playing. So the idea if I said
to you tomorrow, Ring Ring, Tom, can you play day
if you kind of knew the offense? Could you generate drives?
Speaker 3 (17:07):
Yes? I certainly could.
Speaker 4 (17:09):
But first of all, who retires and then unretires and
then is ultimately and retiring man?
Speaker 3 (17:14):
Who does that?
Speaker 1 (17:14):
Is that?
Speaker 4 (17:14):
Even it's ridiculous, and Philip to do that, it's right
good for him. I'm happy he's doing it. I think
the answer for me would be yes, I'm not allowed
to anymore because I'm an owner of a minority owner
of the Raider, so I can'tn retire. But I'm very
excited to watch Philip play because if he's out there,
I think it's just very cool. You know, he's It
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speaks to you know how much he loves the game
and really what he's able to do still. And this
game is about for the quarterback from the neck up.
And we have a saying at Michigan the mental is
to the physical as four is to one at the
quarterback position, and that doesn't really go away.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
That's still up there. Do you have the physical ability
to still do it.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Take the hits, make the throws, the drops, you know,
buy a little time in the pocket. And if Philip
has practicing those things, then we're all going to see
it on full display in Seattle on Sunday afternoon.
Speaker 1 (18:06):
So I want to go back to Detroit Rams. It's
the game you have, and I think it's interesting. Earlier
this year, I thought Green Bay was a little broken offensively,
but Matt Lafleuur solved it. And I've said this for years, Tom,
I would rather have an offensive coach than a defensive coach.
That said, I think Demico Ryans, Vrabel, Mike McDonald are studs.
(18:30):
They're great, Yea. I look at Detroit and I kind
of I'm not sure week to week. They're not as
good on third down, They're not as good a fourth down.
But I want to go to a macro picture here
because not every game for Tom Brady was great. Over
the course of a season, you lose a left guard
and then your slot receiver shows up pregame and can't
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make cuts. How did you fix? Because the Rams haven't
been broken this year, They've made changes. The Lions have
felt their weeks are broken. How do you solve that
what is the first thing you would do if you're
like guys, the tape shows were just not right. There's
no rhythm. What do you do to solve that?
Speaker 4 (19:12):
So I think the most important thing, and we used
to term a lot, certainly on broadcasting, is we'll say
complementary football. So when I was, for example, with the Patriots,
and those were twenty of the best years the NFL
has ever seen in terms of a standard of excellence
that was put out there on the field, is we
tried to win all three phases of the game every week.
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It wasn't just these three parts of our team offense, defense.
Special teams will all operate independently, and you'd be very
surprised that a lot of teams see them as three
individual teams within the same team.
Speaker 3 (19:49):
But I knew we were.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Going to win special teams every week because the emphasis
that Bill Belichick put on special teams, not just from
a meeting standpoint, but the types of players that he
brought on the team to execute our special teams units
like Larry Izzo, like Matt Slater, like Nate Ebner, like
Lonnie Paxton. We kept them as foundational pieces. So there
was a standard of performance from special teams. So if
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we won special teams and we won offense, well we
won two of the three phases of the game. Not
to mention, we usually had one of the top defenses
in the league. So if we had let's say, the
best special teams unit and we won on defense and
offensively we were injured, we would have to play maybe
a little bit less aggressively. We'd punt a little bit more,
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we'd throw the ball a little less, we'd run the
ball a little more. We would do different things within
our offensive scheme to try to compliment the other pieces.
Because alls we were trying to do was win that week.
And I think what a lot of people miss out
on is Okay, you're down this particular receiver.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
Well, what do we do.
Speaker 4 (20:52):
Well, we're playing the Colts and they have a tremendous offense.
The first thought on our offense was, let's run the
ball a lot to try to minimize the amount of possessions.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
We'll give the ball to the Colts. Let's run the ball,
let's control the clock.
Speaker 4 (21:07):
Let's try to win time of possession thirty five minutes
to twenty five minutes. Because if they're not on the field,
they're not scoring. That's the best that's the best defense
we can play. And every week there was a different formula.
The urgency was there every week by our coaching staff,
and that was communicated to our players about this is
how we're going to win this week. That's the most
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important thing, not what are we going to do two
weeks from now when other guys are healthier, other guys
are injured, or we don't know the strengths and weakness
of that opponent. But we're going to evaluate the opponent
we're going to play. We're going to see their strengths,
we're going to see their weaknesses. We're going to try
to attack their weaknesses, and we're going to try to
mitigate their strengths in all three phases of the game.
That is an urgency that is probably missing, you know,
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a lot in the NFL. There's probably three or four
teams that really do that, but most of them don't
do that. And that's why when you get some injuries
to a team, to one of those lesser teams, well
they are screwed because if they're slot receivers down, or
their tight ends down, or their correct they're not going
to score points and if they don't score points, they're
not going to win.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I'll wrap up with this. Last week was one of
the first weeks, maybe the week before that, I watched
football and I thought, good God, this looks miserable. It
looks so cold, it's snowing. It's awful. I have this
sinking suspicion that you actually liked cruddy weather because you
viewed it as an advantage because you were a great
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lousy weather. Your ball, your hip movement, you were a
great crafty I've told you that Chicago game in Soldier
Field left sideline. I remember watching him thinking that is
a perfect cold weather throw. So when the game looks miserable,
were you sitting there on Wednesday thinking, Peyton's going to
be cold. He plays in the Dome, I can't wait?
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Did you like it?
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Absolutely?
Speaker 4 (22:54):
I looked at the weather more than anybody in the
history of the NFL. My weather app was on overdrive
during the football season, constantly looking at the conditions we
were playing in, the conditions that are other teams that
our confidence were playing in. And because we were in
New England and we really never practiced inside, we got
so used to all the elements. We got used to
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the wind. I had to really work hard to throw
a very tight spiral. I worked on my mechanics incessantly
so that I could drive the ball through the wind.
And the tighter the spiral was, the more it could
penetrate the wind. So I knew I had to throw
a tight spiral. I knew I had to keep my
body warm. And how was I going to keep my
body warm? How many layers was I going to wear?
You know, how many did I wear the scuba suit?
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If it was below twenty degrees? When did I put
it on. You just get so good because you practice
in it all year round. In the springtime, we go
back in April, we'd have forty five degree days in
the rain. We'd be outside working out. So you just
get accustomed to that environment. And now this time of
year in the NFL, in the Northeast and the Midwest,
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you know, these outdoor games, they come down to weather
eighty percent of the time. You better be good in it,
and you better embrace it rather than see it as
a big disadvantage. And that's what we did. We always
saw as an advantage. The shittier the weather, the better
we are gonna go out there.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
And play, by the way, the broadcasting thing. You're having fun. Listen,
I told you that I said this off the air
to you. You asked me before your first game. It
said something like, listen, you're gonna be nervous. I should
have really said something nice. I was like, Tommy, you're
gonna be nervous for the first five minutes. And you're like, oh, thanks.
Really that really helped a lot.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Calling.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
But like, it's I think broadcasting similar to football. It's
just reps. It's like work reps. And I will just
say this, Are you enjoying it as much as it
appears you're enjoying it?
Speaker 3 (24:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (24:43):
I could not have imagined it the transition being any
more fun and enjoyable than it's been. I have the
greatest team in the world, the greatest partner in Kevin Burkhart,
Aaron and Tom Dean Blandino up there with me in
the boot, the people that work with us, our whole crew,
our director, rich and Richie, our producer, our whole crew,
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our graphics team, everybody in the truck, our cameramen. We
have so much fun. It is such a team environment.
We give each other shit all day, We laugh all day.
You know, and we get to cover football, and the
only thing you want as a broadcaster is a good game.
I'm rooting for good game, for good football. I want
to see guys perform very well. I want to see
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quarterbacks play well. I want to see them read the defense.
I want to see good blocks. I want to see
hard hits. I want the viewer to really understand why
this game is so fun to watch, and then teach
them a little bit along the way about you know,
different things that may come up. But it's such an
entertaining it's such an entertaining medium, and I think I've
really enjoyed it and it's gone on. You know, you
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continue to gain more confidence about what your role is
and I just know our best is yet to come.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
But saying your role is welcome, you know, I don't,
they asked me. I always tell management, I don't bother him.
He's busy, he's always welcome. But you know, you're always welcome.
So we just love having you on it and I
appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Thanks Colin. Yeah, you do such a great job.
Speaker 4 (26:12):
You keep up the great work your IOE on top
of everything, and it's it's amazing what you do every day.
So keep up the great work yourself.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
All right, Thanks Tom, Yeah, it's thanks.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
I appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
You bet. Broadcasting's fun. It is got good cruise here
and I'll watch the cold well. I always said, there
was always a piece of video. It was live. I
was watching. It was on another network and it was
I lived on the other coast and I was watching.
It was New England. It was Brady against Peyton Manning
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and it was like AFC Championship or something, and it
was snowing in Foxboro. Therefore, you know, I was an
hour and a half away. It was snowing at my
house and it was just one of those things. It
was a big sandwich game, big sandwich. I'm sitting watching
TV for four hours and Jim Nantz is getting ready,
you know, he's, oh boy, I got the kickoffs coming
up next. And they show a picture of Peyton Manning
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snowing and he looks so cold, and I'm sitting with
a friend. I'm like, game's over. New England's winning the game.
I said, look at Manning and it just looked like
he was, you know, he's playing the dome and it
was it was Foxborough cold, and I'm like that's bad
body language, like he's cold now, and the Patriots did
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win that game. By the way, we'll take a break.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
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Tom Brady just stopped by for about twenty five minute interview.
One of the things I asked him about is, you
know bow Nicks and Caleb Williams. I've comped them. They
have great offensive coaches, They're very athletic, they can make
big plays, they're excellent late in games, but both have
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struggled with accuracy, Specifically, Caleb Williams and Tom Brady said
that will eventually be a problem.
Speaker 4 (28:41):
When you get to the bigger games in the playoffs
and the defenses are better in the margin of eras less,
you have to be an incredibly accurate passer, and the
passing game is so important when you're behind in games,
when you are down twenty eight to three, you better
be extremely accurate because the windows are very tight.
Speaker 3 (29:01):
You're gonna have to.
Speaker 4 (29:02):
Throw, you know, thirty forty passes in the second half
in overtime of a game against a myriad of different coverages,
so you're gonna have to understand the strengths and weaknesses
of all the coverages.
Speaker 1 (29:14):
Yeah, it's and you could argue, we'll see Colin green
Bay's an elite team and an elite defense, and he
threw a big interception. Fair argument. He also made two
or three throws that I'm not sure three guys in
the league can make. But Chicago in a rare spot
this weekend. They're a big favorite over Cleveland and that defense.
So we'll keep our eye on that and we'll have
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Speaker 6 (29:48):
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Speaker 1 (30:02):
It's not a waste study time lot to talk about.
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Turns. This is the headline news.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
All right. We got to go back to the Eagles.
Speaker 3 (30:13):
Colin.
Speaker 6 (30:13):
It is looking bleak. Three straight losses in a row.
The Vibes Bunny deal thing is over. Jalen Hurts, Listen,
let's be real. He's had a rough stretch here.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Uh.
Speaker 6 (30:24):
He only had two picks coming into the Monday night football.
Speaker 1 (30:26):
He had four five turnovers overall.
Speaker 6 (30:30):
He's confident in a bounce back against the hapless Raiders.
Speaker 7 (30:34):
Success or greatness, those things aren't in near. You have yours,
you have your downs with Sabah, you respond to it,
and I think about think about that. I mean, it's
it's nothing new that I haven't faced before. It's a
matter of responding to it. And I got a lot
of confidence how we respond. I've got a lot of
confidence how we go.
Speaker 6 (30:54):
Really struggled reading that Jesse mintor zone defense just confused,
throws off Raiders play a lot of his own. Fortunately,
Raiders aren't any good players on their defense. But you
believe in a bounce back here.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Right I do.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
I don't like these big spreads, Well, then just do
like a money line parlay the five big favorites. Put
them all together, which one of the ore the Jags losers,
the jedli my favorites, the Texans. Texans are beating the Cardinals.
I don't see the Eagles losing to the Raiders. If
they do, then we can talk about Defcon one and
what your favorite big number of the week.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
It might be the Eagles.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I don't know what a good bye. I don't know
how Minnesota is going to score. You're a value investment.
I don't know how the cult are going to score
on the Seahawks. They won't, probably like twenty eight.
Speaker 6 (31:44):
Nothing may mean John Taylor Taylor breaks off a big
run or something, but I think the Eagles bounce back. Listen,
if they struggle against the Raiders, we really have problems. Otherwise,
I think they're fine and they coast after this. They
have Washington could be Daniels or Mariota Buffalo good game, and.
Speaker 1 (32:00):
Then Washington again.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
They're making the playoffs, right, Sirianni cannot possibly butcher this.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
I'm not so sure what really Buffalo beats them and
Washington beat some ones.
Speaker 6 (32:15):
Which Washington team shows up? I mean, come on, I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
I mean, I guess, yeah, they'll minimum they win ten,
They're gonna host a playoff game.
Speaker 6 (32:26):
I think that Seahawks at Eagles would be really interesting.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
Oh that would wait, Sam Darnold January outdoors against the
Eagles defense. That's gonna be a low scoring game. I
don't know. Weirdly I like the Eagles. I mean it
helps because the crush the Chiefs in the Super Bowl,
so I love them. But anyways, let's move on to.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
The Pittsburgh Steelers. There were some Mike Tomlin drama recently.
Colin fans were chanting fire Tomlin, but there was a
report that talked about Tomlin during the final years of
his deal. Well, according to Steelers to a Steelers.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
Insider, get this, the leak of.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
Tomlin's contract came from his agent, and the insider for
the Steelers believes they're setting things up for a parting
of ways with the Steelers and Tomlin after the season,
So Tomlin's people leaked at Tomlin's people leaked it to
show that Pittsburgh has a March first deadline to pick
up his twenty twenty seven option. So by March first,
(33:26):
if they don't pick up the option, he's a lame
duck coach. Nobody wants to be lame duck, right. I
just still don't agree with this. I know a lot
of Steelers fans are like, we had a good run,
it's over, You're moving on from Tomlin.
Speaker 1 (33:39):
I feel like every Steelers season is the same as
I grabbed. Well, when you watch this team, what is
the only redeemable or give me things that you know
you're gonna get every week.
Speaker 6 (33:49):
Mike Tomlin showing up on the sideline, good quotes, And
I don't.
Speaker 1 (33:52):
Know about TJ. Watt. I don't know if you saw,
we'll see what the healthy Aaron Rodgers has been one
of the more come on.
Speaker 6 (33:59):
He would couldn't move in the pocket against the Bills, okay,
and then a week later we look good against the Ravens.
I don't think he's consistent. DK Metcalf has been up
and down. They don't You're right, they don't have any
great players anymore? Who's your best player on the Pittsborg
Seiels don't say Rogers, It's.
Speaker 1 (34:15):
They're center from West Virginia, Fraser, If you say so,
I mean, I just don't know that they have a
lot of high end talent. Shalen Wore in their running back.
I think TJ. Watt is one or two. And then
the center for must.
Speaker 6 (34:30):
Ja what I believe as a career low in pressures
this season.
Speaker 1 (34:32):
Well, yeah, when I suggested last year and you did,
it's time to move him. That was met with outrage.
Speaker 6 (34:39):
Yeah, gotta get ahead of that stuff. Uh, Steelers hosting
the Dolphins Monday night football.
Speaker 1 (34:45):
I see a three as well all Miami games. Check
the weather.
Speaker 6 (34:49):
If it's in the thirties, consider fading the Dolphins. Although
that did not work against the Jets. Last week's final
story Shiner Sanders. We have not talked about him yet today.
Obviously he's battled, Uh, you know, to move up the
depth chart, and he's out starting the final three games
of the season.
Speaker 1 (35:07):
There's a great coach. Sell acknowledged he was good on tape.
He was good on tape against Tennessee.
Speaker 6 (35:12):
Okay, anyway, here's what Shador said about the audition that
he has to be the starter of the rest of
the season.
Speaker 5 (35:18):
I just go here and enjoy my day, you know,
work hard, do everything I can, and if I'm here,
I'm here. I'm not like it's none in my control.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
So I try to control what I can't control.
Speaker 5 (35:29):
That's going out there making the right reads, going out
there doing the right things, being the person I am,
and uh, things will fall how they're supposed to.
Speaker 6 (35:38):
Good quote is that Shador flexing his own merch there
at the at the FT. I mean I saw a
money sign and to the second palle, I think I've
never seen that before.
Speaker 1 (35:47):
No, I think I think he's played well. I think
I think there's a percentage of people in America that
think there are those of us rooting against him. I
thought he was going to be a first round pick,
so I look like a dope because he goes in
the fifth round. So I liked him out of college.
I didn't think he had a traits, but I thought
he was a good beat at dart.
Speaker 6 (36:07):
Right, there's a clean window.
Speaker 1 (36:10):
I don't think people are rooting against him. I think
there's people absolutely rooting for him. Some what bizarrely. Uh,
but this idea that there's this group of people on
the Browns and outside of the Browns rooting against if
you will. Yeah, it's like, folks, I don't like watching
bad quarterback play. I like one. I mean, Chador's games
(36:34):
are fun to watch. He's gonna throw a really bad
pick every week. That's what young quarterbacks do.
Speaker 6 (36:39):
I mean, the guy's had two starts at home. Okay,
Dylan Gabriel was like, hey, go international game, go play
over there. He's better than Dylan. Come back and play
the Steelers. I don't know, he's got much higher So
you should we should have Sefan Ski on the show
and ask.
Speaker 1 (36:52):
Him what he thinks. Well, he's not gonna give it obviously.
Speaker 6 (36:55):
I mean if he thinks Chador is better, he would
have started Chadur.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Well, Chador wasn't ready because Dylan had so many college starts,
he was more prepared. I agree.
Speaker 6 (37:05):
I mean you could say Chadour has the higher ceiling,
Dylan Gabriel has the higher floor. I mean if that, yeah, yeah,
I mean neither of them is starting week going kids,
they mature at different paces incredibly, so yeah, like it's
bizarre who's the.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
Starting quarterback for Brown's Week one next year.
Speaker 3 (37:23):
Probably.
Speaker 1 (37:24):
Oh stop, they're too good to get the number one
or number two pick. They're gonna win games. What No, really, could.
Speaker 6 (37:33):
We get this Brown schedule for the rest of the season.
Speaker 1 (37:35):
I mean, I mean, don't game here we go. Okay,
So they're losing the Bears. They ain't beating the Bills.
Let me tell you something. They're gonna give that Bills.
They can run the ball. They just lost to the Titans,
the one win Titans. How are they beating any of
these teams. Cleveland's absolutely winning one of those games. Absolutely,
Cleveland's winning one of those games that off social media
(37:57):
Teamsburg Cincinnati could win.
Speaker 6 (38:01):
List the more she do her on tape, they're gonna
just eat him up.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
I mean that resurgent Bengals. I'm telling you can't say
the straight face. You can say what you want. They
beat Green Bay. That's with the less talented quarterback. Well
that was Flaco actually less talented.
Speaker 6 (38:16):
So just remember Fernando Mendoza could go one or two.
If the Titans get one, they're not taking it, and
then I don't think there's a big trade up.
Speaker 1 (38:25):
So it's a browns Land tool there's gonna be a
huge trade up for Fernando Mendoza for massive three ones,
three one. I'm not joking.
Speaker 6 (38:35):
If the Jets do that, I will renounce on this show.
My Jets fandom. Thirty years as a Jets fan, it's over.
I'm not trading up three ones. That's insanity.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
Stop. Okay, three, I didn't say it, didn't get stuff back?
Couple five, round, fifth round. I love those Jmack with
the news.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
herd Line News.
Speaker 3 (39:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:01):
Tom Brady was on earlier and everybody knows how aspirational
he's been. But he started talking about, you know, the
things that he looks for in quarterbacks and a lot
of it's just the drive, the want to be great.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
If you want to be successful in the NFL, you
better have the drive and determination every day of your life,
in season and off season, to try to go out
and be the best in the world. You've got to
be brushing your teeth in the morning, thinking about your
throwing mechanics, thinking about the calls your coach is going
to make on third down, the anticipation you need to
(39:37):
throw in a particular game.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
This has to be your life.
Speaker 4 (39:40):
It has to be so important that you're thinking about
it all day.
Speaker 3 (39:45):
Every day, certainly during the season.
Speaker 1 (39:47):
Yeah, I think that's I think that's very true about
almost everything, is that you know, there's one or two
things are true. You have work. You have to outwork
people to move up the chain faster, and you also
have to take some big swings in your life or
you're going to be in the middle of the pack.
And I you know, I mean Tom took a big
(40:08):
swing going to Tampa. And you say, well, what kind
of big swing it was. When he was in New England,
the regular commentary was, well, Belichick's about seventy thirty. Belichick
won eleven games with Matt Cassel. I mean, this is
way Tom changed the entire narrative. He goes to Tampa,
wins the Super Bowl, New England circles the dream. That
(40:32):
was a risk. Not a lot of people predicted Tom's
going to the wacky Buccaneers. That's not what people thought.
When that came out, people went WHOA. Then they looked
at it and went, Bruce arians good receivers, He's going
to bring Gronk down. But it is you got to
take swings That's why I don't beat up people too much.
When they take swings and miss, you got to take them,
(40:55):
and the hit rate. The bigger the swing, the uglier
the miss, and the more often you miss. First things
first is coming up now,
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