December 17, 2025 • 31 mins
3-time Pro Bowler Matt Hasselbeck joins the show to tell Colin why the Dolphins benched QB Tua Tagovailoa and what makes Bills QB Josh Allen the best in the NFL right now
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
And with that eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Matt Hasselbeck joins us live, and I'm gonna ask him
anybody that in that bubble that you're just diametrically opposed
to or like I don't have Jacksonville close because I
don't trust him.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Who are you dying?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're already smiling? Who are you?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I enjoying that? It was super entertaining for me.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I was actually just sitting there listening, kind of disappointed
that I had to come on and talk.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I was enjoying it.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
But no, you're incomplete, man, Like you're incomplete, Like what
are we doing? Where are the Pittsburgh Steelers? Where are
the Green Bay Packers? And yes, you're hating on Jacksonville
because who knows why? Because there's you just feel like
hating on them for that reason they're alive.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I know I'm probably biased.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I lost a Super Bowl to a wild card team
that nobody gave a chance. Nobody gave a chance to them,
and then they just kept winning and winning and winning.
And it's what everybody says. It's the team that plays
the best football at the end of the year. It
doesn't matter what you did in September, it doesn't matter
what you did two years ago. It does not matter.
So the team that's playing the best. I love the fact.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
That you gave Houston all that love.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Houston's exactly the kind of team that people are going
to overlook and that coaches and players are going to
turn on that film and it's going to be nameless
faces on.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
That film and they're going to be like, dang, like we.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Got issues here, Like we got issues going.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Up against this team.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
We don't want to play that team and that division
even I mean, Jacksonville is a similar thing. Carolina is
a team that people are going to sleep on. That's
what's so great about this tournament. Is there a favorite, Yeah,
there's a favorite.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
It's the La Rams.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
And I think that the Rams and the Seahawks Thursday
Night that could be the best game of the entire
You know, those could be the two best teams in
the NFL right there, Thursday night, and they might see
each other again, so you know, we'll see this.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
This is exciting. I'm loving it.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
That's why I was so entertained listening to you, you know,
kind of go through it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So my gut feeling is I do think Caleb and Bow.
I mean again, Caleb's got more torque, although I think
Bow is incredibly agile and athletic. He is so clever
and deceptive on the rollouts. My gut feeling is you
like Bow more than Caleb at this point though, right.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, he's way more polished, refined game ready to me.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, is there something about bo that does that you
do worry about? Is there a lower ceiling?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
How do you view him?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, listen, I'm a I'm a huge, huge fan of
bon Knicks. That doesn't mean that he's playing perfect right now.
I mean you're talking about his numbers in the fourth
quarter and how they're good.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah they are good.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
But against Kream Bay, he put the ball in Harm's
way four times, like it's tips and overthrows. Got to
get those, that's what they say in defense, the Packers
didn't do it. Those balls were up in the air.
He gave them opportunities to lose that game. And you know,
I just even go back to like what Philip Rivers
did this past week, and everyone wants to talk about, Hey,
what do you see out of Philip Rivers? He didn't
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put his team in negative situations.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's like the thing.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
That's the thing Tom Brady did so well, sing Aaron
Rodgers did so well. And I think that's a compliment
that I would give to Caleb Williams is that Caleb
Williams does a really nice job of protecting the football.
And he's done a nice job this year of protecting
his team in other ways. And so I think when
you get the play caller and the quarterback really on
the same page, really clicking, like you're my guy, through
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thick and thin, no matter what, that's that's when you're
cooking with gas.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And that's what the Broncos have.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I'm not one hundred percent sure that that's what the
what the Chicago Bears have. Ben Johnson got hired to
fix Caleb, to do his magic with Caleb. He's off
to a great start. But to think that this is.
Those two guys are a forever pair. I think that
remains to be seen. I think they're off to a
great start, but you know the next three weeks are
going to tell a lot nationally televised games, and it's
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a great team around him.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So I'm not all the ways sold.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I thought this last game was the best game I've
seen Caleb play, though.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So quarterback interceptions are not always on the quarterback. You
have young receivers, they don't run the right route, somebody
misses a block, you're rushed. Seven of the eleven interception
leaders in the NFL right now are like Pro Bowl
level quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Darnald, Dack, Mahomes, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence.
(04:35):
Let's talk Sam Darnold tomorrow against the Rams. Are his
interceptions when you watch him not seeing something reckless kind
of his DNA when you look at because I thought
Andrew Luck was a guy that wasn't reckless, but he
just he was an aggressive guy and he was going
to take big swings. Because Andrew Luck knew deep down
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our roster's not very good. He can't go thirteen play drives.
We don't have that old line. Sam does have a
lot around him. Why is he throwing picks in his career?
What do they look like to you?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Well, let's just go back to the about a month
ago they played the Rams. He had four interceptions in
that game, and I you know, his protection wasn't great
and he was just trying too hard. You know, most
of the interceptions that I've seen him throw this year,
as you know, he's just wanting it so bad. He
wants it to work. And you know, go back to
the last game against the Rams. The Rams won the game.
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Sam Donald throws four interceptions, but if he only throws
three interceptions, the Seahawks win the game.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
And that's kind of the mindset.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
That I think the coaches are going to have to
get into him this week for the Thursday night game.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And I've had coaches to do this to me as well.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
And they literally say it like, hey, listen, if you
just go from three interceptions to two interceptions, we win.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And as a quarterback is like.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Oh man, like I can do that, Like I can
do that instead of the mindset of like, hey, if
ro line is getting you know, worked by their D line,
you got to do some and heroic, you know, and
just it's like a mind it's a shift in how
you're thinking about it. And I think they're talking to
him the way that they probably talked to me or
Andrew Lucker, all the guys you mentioned. Hey, listen, we
have one of the best defenses in the NFL. Our
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special teams can go win us a game at the end.
We've got a great punter, Let him punt. You know,
those kinds of ways that you can talk to a
quarterback can kind of settle him down and make him
feel like, Hey, it's not all on me. This is
not me against the league MVP Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
This is me and my guys. This is me and
my team.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
This is me and my specialists, my defense, Leonard Williams,
those guys against the Rams, and that mindset can kind
of free you up as a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And I think that's what would help Sam the most.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You know, a few years ago, we watched Russell Wilson
go Seattle to Denver and almost inexplicably fell off a
cliff and I think for two years we're like, what happened?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Pro Bowl of this? And then I watched Tua over.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
The last year and a half fall off a cliff,
and they're both smaller quarterbacks who part of their gift
early was a little elusiveness could move the pocket. Kyler
Murray feels like he has dropped off a cliff. I've
been in the same room with you. You're about six',
four maybe a little, taller And i've said this IS
i don't want to. HEAR i see This vanderbilt. Quarterback
(07:19):
people are, like, oh And i'm, Like i'm not touching.
THAT i saw him in a, Picture Dylan. GABRIEL i
saw him a picture with other. Quarterbacks i'm not drafting.
That you tell, me did your SIZE i don't know
what you weighed two. Twenty did your size help you
through the years with all those punitive?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Hits uh, yeah probably more like two forty even.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Today but, no, Listen i'm not a guy that's gonna
hate on somebody because of their. Height if you're a,
player you're a, player you're a, baller you're a.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Leader you're a guy that can protect the, ball you
can do it.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
DOWNFIELD i think two Is ACTUALLY i don't think too
have played his worst game this last. GAME i think
he played always played all. YEAR i think what got
to a bench was a lack of, grittiness like a
lack of, tough lack Of he.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Has no ability to do anything with his.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Legs he takes sacks that don't need to be taken
in they're double digits minus twelve minus, eleven third and.
One you go to scramble year third and, two you
slide too. Early LIKE i think it's that that that
kind of like like frustration from the head coach where
it's like we need someone to like put this team
on their back and like send. Message and that's what
(08:23):
you get so excited. About when like a non running
quarterback runs for a first, down it's, like all, right
we got.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Them here we.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Go that's WHERE i Think tua needs says like step
up his. Game he had one interception that wasn't what
it was because they're not turning the page to somebody.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Who's going to all of a sudden do, better like you're.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Not i'm not expecting either one of those, quarterbacks based
on what they've shown this, year to do any better Than.
Tua this is this is a financial decision and them,
saying you know, what we would rather pay you fifty
four million dollars to not be our.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Quarterback next year because we are frustrated.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
That you don't have what we see out of guys
Like Justin herbert and other guys that we. Admire Josh,
allen that's the, frustration and it's. Unfortunate maybe two pulls
himself out of, It maybe he gets another, opportunity but
it certainly doesn't look like it's going to happen In.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Miami So i'm Watching Josh allen right. Now he's four
and oh this year when his defense has given up
thirty one or more, points the rest of the league
is like six and. Eighty and SOMETIMES i wonder If
josh would have Inherited Andy reid And Travis, kelcey AND
i think to myself And mahomes went To buffalo with
(09:29):
a defensive, coach would their careers be. DIFFERENT i Think John,
elway WHEN i was a kid or, younger was the
best most talented Quarterback i've ever, seen arm, Movement stanford,
guy just toughness. EVERYTHING i look At josh And i'm, like,
well he's more talented Than. Mahomes he's bigger and. Stronger
do you see that or do you still Think mahomes
(09:51):
has a Magic that's why he's got the trophies that
Maybe josh doesn't.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
HAVE i Think Josh allen ended up exactly where he
needed to end. Up you, know if you remember he
came into the, draft there was a little bit of you,
know it wasn't super, smooth and he went To buffalo
and he kind of hit a little bit from the
from the spotlight a little, bit and he.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Developed and of all the.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Quarterbacks That i've sort of evaluated or watched or even
just been a fan, OF i thought That Josh allen
made the biggest improvement from college to THE nfl in
a two year. SPAN i, mean he was absolutely amazing
once he once it clicked for him in THE nfl
and he has never looked.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Back and to, me you, know the defense is a.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Problem the defense is a problem if you're trying to
hoist The. Lombardi but this is a guy that can
literally put his team on his. Back he can go
above the x's and o's if THE mvp is truly
just THE mvp and not necessarily how your team is
doing and all that kind of. Stuff Josh allen would
be that. Guy he's he's. Otherworldly oh my team's down
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twenty one to nothing to the team that's going to
be the one, seed The New England. Patriots no big.
Deal let's, go let's go win it on the, Road
no big. Deal that's kind of who he. Is and
when you have that kind of, grittiness, competitiveness, belief not
only your teammates believe in you that, way but the,
opponent the opposing, coaches they're, like, ah, shoot you know
It's Josh.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Allen's on the other.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Side that's what everyone's looking for when they say franchise,
quarterback and The Buffalo bills have, it AND i mean
they are so lucky and fortunate to have.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
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Speaker 6 (12:17):
Your.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Knicks last, Night jmax picked up a very impressive W.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yeah you want a funny. Story so WHEN i saw
The spurs first two games this, SEASON i was, like
oh my, gosh they play hard and they're really. Good
SO i bet them to win THE Nba cup at long.
ODDS i was rooting for The spurs last night Against
knicks of two stuff and The spurs led by eleven
in the third. QUARTER i, mean did you watch that?
GAME i texted YOU i figured you ghosted. Me.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No thirteen to one run by The. Knicks they were
getting out, played. Trailed og played, Great bronson didn't shoot particularly.
Well wemby didn't play particularly. Well, listen they got rid Of.
TIBs they bring In Mike, brown a well, traveled well like,
guy and we were all, Like.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm not sure if it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Work there COULD i, ARGUE i don't think they have
a very good, bench not a hushable, bench and they
don't defend the three particularly. Well but CAN i argue
they're better. Offensively not quite as good defensively this, year
but they're a little better. Offensively would you agree with?
Speaker 6 (13:10):
That totally? AGREE i was proud Of Mike. Brown he
Benched McHale bridges for the entire. Quarter, Yeah bridges wasn't playing.
Good kat got bench for about seven minutes in the.
Fourth they were riding With Jordan, Clarkson tyler Kolek, okay
the kid From. MARQUETTE i love his, game but Like,
tims wouldn't play those Guys colin a year. Ago so
Now Mike brown's here and he's, like, yo, listen we're
gonna play our bench guys if my starters aren't. Performing.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah you.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Know it's like When Mark jackson coached The warriors Than Steve.
Kerr Mark jackson did define, job But steve was better.
Offensively The knicks are now number two, offensively and when
you watch, him it's LIKE i said ABOUT Jj reddick
Over Darvin. Ham darvin was great, defensively but you almost
felt the offense got jammed. Up when you WATCH Jj,
reddick it's like in THE nfl offensive coaches they just
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get that side.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Better WHEN i watch The, KNICKS i think.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
They feel more freed, up a little more creative. Offensively
not quite as good. Defensively but you're winning in this.
League if you can get, buckets.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
They're the best team in The. East you would, agree,
RIGHT i MEAN i don't know that right. Now right,
Now cats have fallen Off. Celtics we don't know If
tatum's coming. BACK i know The pistons are, hot but it's, like.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Come, on this is a Cade cunningham the last two
years has he is a top five or six, Player
but how about? This he's one of our he maybe
is he our best domestic player right?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Now, Yes i'll give him, that not Over cooper flag
In Austin. Reeves BUT i just had to, go oh,
GOD i just had to get him in. There come,
ON U.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
J mack with the.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
News, no, no this is The herdline news all.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Right it's weird. CALLED i think the media is getting
This tua situation, wrong AND i think you nailed it.
Earlier how this is a soft. Tank they're Benching toua
to lose. Games see what they've got in quinn, yours,
right McDaniel said, yesterday everything's on the table and now
yours is going to give them a chance to win.
Here but it's weird there's all this, like, oh, well
were we Trading tua? Two and then our guys are
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looking at the cap hits and the contract is. Terrible,
colin nobody's taking on this, contract that's.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Right so there's no market For, jua, Okay so if
there is a, market you don't want him. Hurt so
it's not like The dolphins will try to. Lose but
when you go to Quinn ewers Against Joe, burrow you're
going to.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Lose or Quinn.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Ewers Against Baker mayfield Or drake May so they're gonna
go zero for three in these. Games they're still preparing to.
Win but they're Keeping tua upright and healthy if somebody does,
come because Remember jade And, Mayava i'm staying in, College
Dante moore may stay in. College you say there's no
market For, tua wait around.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
At march when you got one quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And teams like The raiders are, like, Okay i'm just
saw at The. Raiders so everybody says there's no market For.
Tua be very. Careful If Dante moore Says i'm staying At,
oregon you're And Ty simpson Says i'm staying At.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Bama you don't.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Have a choice idea that they're gonna cut two and
take the dead cap. Hit look At denver With Russell.
WILSON i would just Argue denver had a. Plan there
was like five quarterbacks that we're gonna go in the top. Twelve,
okay Bo nicks had four years experience starting in college.
FOOTBALL i understood that where's the? Quarterback what's the? Plan
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the secession plan For? Tua, now if Quinn ewers likes
the world on fire, here, okay maybe he's your starter
and two was the expensive. Backup BUT i think he'll
be on The dolphins roster in twenty twenty. Six would you? Agree? No, okay?
Five what roster is TO i don't know the, answer but,
(16:38):
no ooh bold, Wow i'm seeing This Kyler murray For tua.
Swap that's. Comical. Guys just, stop all, right let's move
on to uh. Again Josh allen and THE Mvp colin, listen,
man but you AND i agree at least on. This
Josh allen is the best quarterback in the league right now.
Period i'm sorry to The mahomes fan. Boys he didn't
bring it this, year And alan's been. Amazing that come
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back against The patriots vaulted him back into THE mvp.
Discussion we got a little graphic, here so THE mvp Leader. Stafford,
guys do not lay it minus three hundred With stafford right,
now followed By Drake May Josh. Allen, oh look at
Bo nicks, said plus seventy five. Hundred the problem Is.
Stafford if they Don't if he doesn't deliver In, seattle
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the next two games ARE i Think atlanta And. Arizona
they're not high profile. Games guess Who Josh allen has
after this The Philadelphia. Eagles, okay so If stafford, Stumbles
Josh allen next week goes and beats The. Eagles see
that game there week. Seventeen, oh it just happens to
be On fox and thirty million people will Watch Josh
allen take down The Super Bowl champces and he wins THE.
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Mvp SO i, mean, LISTEN i Think stafford's been, great
but he doesn't Have Davante.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Thursday does he get well again it's called most valuable.
Player if you Took stafford off The rams and let's
say you Played Jimmy garoppolo's, BACKUP i think you could
be a five hundred team if you Take Josh allen
out of The bulls or out of The. BILLS i,
mean they're The dolphins like they're just they're not enough elite.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
PLAYERS i don't.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Know so, again most VALUABLE i always said When lebron
was In, cleveland just give him the. Award it's not
he's the most. Value he was worth five hundred million
equity to the. Ownership Josh allen's the most valuable player
in this, league whether he wins the. Award, again The
rams are, defense are coaching our run. Game i'm not
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Saying stafford's not, great but he doesn't do anything out of.
Structure he's not a scramble. Guy he is a perfect.
Ace he is a great pitcher for this batting. Order Josh,
allen you take him out Of, buffalo the franchise is
worth a billion less like everything they. CAN'T i, mean
they're the number one run team in the. League, well
part of That's, josh not Just James.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Cook we Love. STAFFORDKHAN i know you love like a
top ten. Player if you Did rams And bills in
a Hypothetical Super bowl and you did your top ten players,
list how Many Buffalo bills on that? List Josh, Allen
James cook AND i, MEAN i Mean Dean dawkins is
really good to see crack the top.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Ten it's it's. Price it's probably eight.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Rams that's insane and to me that would Lead Josh
allen to be THE. Mvp but we'll see what the
what the voters have to. Say final storycl on to THE.
Nba Adam silver was holding court with the media before
THE Nba Cup championship, yesterday and, interestingly he talked about,
expansion buzzy word in the. League it's been out there
for a. While Adam silver basically saying expansion is coming next.
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Year here's what he had to.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
Say in terms of the domestic. Expansion that is something
we're continuing to look, at not a. Secret we're looking,
at you, know this market In Las vegas we've looked.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
At we are looking At.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Seattle we've looked at other markets as.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
Well i'd Say I'M i want to be sensitive there
about this notion that we're somehow teasing these markets BECAUSE
i know we've been talking about it for a, while
or in the process of you, know working with our
teams and gauging the level of interest and having a
better understanding of what the economics would be on the
ground for those particular.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Teams.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
YEAH i, MEAN i don't think most sports In america need,
expansion BUT i do think there is a ton of
really good basketball talent. GLOBALLY i Think vegas is WHO
i would. Pick seattle And, vancouver they are a long
flight in a long winter, SEASON i would, say now
that hockey's In, SEATTLE i would put it In. VEGAS
i think in a winter, league everybody loves to go To.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Vegas, well you.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Got to do. Too you got to have even you,
know sixteen in each. Conference which leads me to. This
seattle And vegas Are West coast. Teams they will go
both in The Western, Conference so that means you've got
to move somebody to The east In. Milwaukee, Milwaukee milwaukee's
already in The. East but here's the. Thing minnesota And,
MEMPHIS i think we'll have a, knockdown drag out. Fight
(21:03):
get me away from the fur. Right luca And. WENDY
i don't want any part of that winning in The.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
East you, KNOW i was confused Because i've said this for.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Years If chicago Wasn't chicago and hockey in The, west
If Michael jordan and The bulls would have been in The,
west he wouldn't have gone six for six because he
would have arguably made the finals and lost to The
pistons and The.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Celtics so sometimes.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Where you are, GEOGRAPHICALLY i Mean, lebron it was a
big advantage being in The, EAST i mean. Huge in The,
west it's just more intense games Like lebron in The
west has been very. Good they don't EVEN i Mean
Oklahoma city now is beating teams by sixteen a. Game
it's like it's over Like denver because A jokich's greatness
(21:49):
is always going to be. Viable and they Gave Okay
see some problems last. Year he's a hard. Matchup but
you know the league would, love you, know with The.
Pelicans The pelicans are in The.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
West, yeah that's a. Goofy but here here's my. Thing
Anthony edwards has been talked about his potential face of the.
League he ain't breaking through The. West colin it's just
not there's too many good, teams too many stack. Rosters
you Put Anthony edwards in The, east he might be
in the finals in three. Years he's that. Good in
The east is really down. Man it's like there's a
couple of good. Players but If giannis gets, traded what
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are they talking? About Houston? Rockets, MAYBE. Okc like everybody's
in The. WEST i would love If I'm Anthony edwards
to be in The Eastern. Conference he is A i
mean you Love Anthony. EDWARDS i, know, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
NO i, mean, YEAH i Guess.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Minnesota, YEAH i mean it's, Yeah minnesota and The pelicans
go to The. East, NOW i mean The pelicans don't
make any sense in The west.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Flying To New. Orleans, yeah that doesn't make any. Sense
but it's.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Hard would you Take Anthony edwards moving him out of
The west to The. East he's been in the hasn't he?
Been the last Two Western conference? Finals he made one or.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Two but yeah, again looking, forward you know he's getting
his big contract coming. Up LIKE i JUST i Like
aunt a, lot one of my Favorite by the, way
he's a big ping pong. PLAYER i know you like
to table. Tennis it Up. Anthony he's just got that
magnetic personality That willy wins fans.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Over, Remember Halla burton And Jason tatum are coming back next,
Year so The east is sort of it's better than
we're giving it credit. For, ALSO i think The, sixers
Rookie sixers will get. Better, Oh halliburton comes, Back tatum comes.
Back it's a little artificial at this. Point The east is,
bad but it's got two of its top five players
(23:38):
and like real, playmakers real leaders of a franchise that are.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Out J mack with a.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
News, well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by
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Speaker 3 (23:49):
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Speaker 6 (23:56):
Tonight it's a college hoops tripleheader ON fs, one starting
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followed By Georgetown. Marquette then we head out to The
West coast Where Arizona state takes ON. Ucla it all
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Speaker 1 (24:14):
One you, know it's so funny to listen to everybody
to say college football is broke and it's falling. Apart
you could do yourself a favor and get rid of
twenty of your athletic. Programs why do you have fencing
and rowing and all these sports that don't make any.
MONEY i watch college. Football the ratings are, great the
stadiums are, packed the revenue is, unbelievable the boosters are all.
(24:34):
Engaged college football didn't have a. Problem college athletics is
a house of. Cards because you have thirty four athletic
teams in thirty two hemorrhage.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Money cut.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
THEM i mean to, ME i would have, football men's and, women's,
basketball men's and, women's, whatever the stuff that you, know
baseball or, softball whatever makes money in, revenue and if
anything that supports Our olympic or Our World cup. MOVEMENT
i would keep soccer men's and. WOMEN'S i would keep
track and field men's and. Women's those support Our World
(25:06):
cup aspirations are Our olympic. Aspirations BUT i mean all
these athletic. Departments ALL i KNOW i watch. Football stadium's, packed, revenues,
flowing ratings are. Great college football is not the. Problem
the problem is you have all these. Programs they're all
hemorrhage and. Money SO i you, KNOW i look at college. Football,
(25:26):
Now indiana And Texas tech are two of the top six,
teams seven teams in the.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Country it's.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Broken the little, Guy James madison two lanes in the
playoff and it's. BROKEN i, Mean Notre dame didn't get.
In James madison. Did you're telling me it's. Broken the
rich are only getting. Richer Notre dame did not get,
in but Two lane. Did that doesn't feel broken to.
(25:52):
Me the little guys getting a little. Life the big
guys get in. Life you, Know you've always got some
big programs Like michigan and right now is sort, of you,
know a little bit of a mess. Obviously so you've
always got one of those programs out there that's a
big dog looking for a.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Coach BUT i don't.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
KNOW i keep hearing about college football AND i, remember you,
KNOW i grew up on The West coast with The
pac twelve and when it, disbanded everybody freaked. Out and
my takeaway, Is i'm watching the games outside Of washington And.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Oregon there's a bunch of empty.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Seats nobody's going TO, ucla nobody's going to cal nobody's
going To. Stanford what's the point take the four best
teams and put them in The big, ten just like
The big. Twelve texas And oklahoma were, great but it
was a bunch of you, know, nonsense a bunch of you,
know small towns and can't drive. Revenue and Yet texas
And oklahoma have to share all their. REVENUE i don't.
(26:43):
KNOW i feel like The big ten in THE sec are.
Money we still Have Notre dame And miami out there
that feel.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Big in THE.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Acc Texas tech has, emerged you, Know Utah zoha is.
VIABLE I Arizona state's kind of. Fascinating With dillingham coaching,
him he may. LEAVE i don't feel like it's. Broken
revenue is, Unbelievable ratings are through the. Roof The Big
ten's never been, stronger THE sec has never been. Stronger
there never been more GAMES i want to. WATCH i
(27:13):
was A pac twelve. GUY i was done Watching cal Against.
ARIZONA i did not need to see that another time
in my. Life you, know the bigger issue with college
sports is this unwillingness to look in the mirror and
look at your books and get rid of all these.
Apps you, know they, say what about title. Nine i'm
not saying get rid of women's. Programs i'm saying get
(27:34):
rid of, both get rid of a lot of this
stuff that doesn't make any. Money do you really need, fencing, rowing?
WRESTLING i don't. Know IT'S i just WHEN i see
an athletic department has thirty four, Teams how in the
world does some of these sports make. Money it's a
friends and family. Crowd it's like relatives or nobody goes
(27:57):
to the. Sport why do you have?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Them is there An is there a minimum number you
have to? HAVE i, MEAN i don't.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
KNOW I i know football drives the. Bus you know there's,
another there's. Another you notice these. Highlights look at the.
Crowd there's not a seat, available and those people aren't
getting in for five. BUCKS i, mean, look here's another
Game oregon. Game crowd pack looks like A nfl. GAME
(28:25):
i don't think college football has got a. Problem if
if your ratings and your revenue are, up you don't
have a problem with that. Sport you have the problem
with all the gravy trainers and college athletics that are
living off. Football got a lot of gravy trainers in
that athletic department with egos that think they're tennis programs.
Viable their water polo is a big. Deal can't give
(28:46):
me a. Break that's just you're just writing checks and
getting nothing. Back college football to, me never any any.
Business it doesn't matter what business it.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
IS i don't.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Care if you're a streaming, company you could be you
could Be. NETFLIX i go To. NETFLIX i watch a
lot On. Netflix if you, say, well they're not making, money,
well then fire the directors that can't create hit, shows
not the Ones i'm. Watching i'm watching streaming. Companies if
streaming companies aren't making, money it's not because of the top,
directors top, writers and top. Actors get rid of the middle.
(29:19):
Down they're the one losing money Because i'm going to
those streaming services That i'm paying. For there's my ted
talk J. Mac you're watching as much college, football.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
You, know there's this thing Called title nine that's Still.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
OH i.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Know i'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That i'm not saying to cut, No i'm. Not i'm
saying cut both men's and women's. Rowing i'm not saying
to cut one or the. Other i'm saying. Football and
THEN i would have five or six sports with. Both
but the idea you need thirty four programs in an
athletic department and thirty two lose, money twenty hemorrhage.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Money, me you're flying. Kids all cal right now is
flying people to The east. Coast there's nine people at the.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
EVENT i didn't have this ranch on My bingo card this,
week So i'm not fully equipped to agree or disagree with.
You i'll just say. THIS i got two young, KIDS
i know their. FRIENDS a lot of people have gravitated
toward a sport like fencing because you know, what it's
an easier way to get into really good colleges if
you're an expert, fencer because there's not a lot of those.
(30:24):
Everybody football gives out a, ton, soccer all the major,
sports but it's these smaller sports how kids are able
to get into.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
College by the, way those sports don't give out full.
SCHOLIES Ivy league doesn't give out.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Scholarships, No, no you can get like a partial or
they'll give you money that makes up for what would
be a scholarship because they can't do an.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Athletics i'm for men's and women's, soccer men's and women's,
basketball men's and women, track and. Field there's a lot of.
Stuff we have volleyball in. There come on volleyball. THERE
i like, volleyball but thirty Four athletic.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Program.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Listen you know. Rowing i'll tell you a rowing story off. Air.
Listen there's a it's an interesting. Discussion i'll just leave
it at.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
That, well you get what if there's a rowing story that's.
LISTEN i got a rowing. Story it's highly.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
CONTROVERSIAL i can't tell you on air this rowing.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
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Speaker 3 (00:24):
And with that eighteen years in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Matt Hasselbeck joins us live, and I'm gonna ask him
anybody that in that bubble that you're just diametrically opposed
to or like I don't have Jacksonville close because I
don't trust him.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
Who are you dying?
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Now?
Speaker 3 (00:38):
You're already smiling? Who are you?
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I enjoying that? It was super entertaining for me.
Speaker 5 (00:43):
I was actually just sitting there listening, kind of disappointed
that I had to come on and talk.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I was enjoying it.
Speaker 5 (00:48):
But no, you're incomplete, man, Like you're incomplete, Like what
are we doing? Where are the Pittsburgh Steelers? Where are
the Green Bay Packers? And yes, you're hating on Jacksonville
because who knows why? Because there's you just feel like
hating on them for that reason they're alive.
Speaker 6 (01:03):
Listen.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
I know I'm probably biased.
Speaker 5 (01:05):
I lost a Super Bowl to a wild card team
that nobody gave a chance. Nobody gave a chance to them,
and then they just kept winning and winning and winning.
And it's what everybody says. It's the team that plays
the best football at the end of the year. It
doesn't matter what you did in September, it doesn't matter
what you did two years ago. It does not matter.
So the team that's playing the best. I love the fact.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
That you gave Houston all that love.
Speaker 5 (01:29):
Houston's exactly the kind of team that people are going
to overlook and that coaches and players are going to
turn on that film and it's going to be nameless
faces on.
Speaker 4 (01:37):
That film and they're going to be like, dang, like we.
Speaker 5 (01:40):
Got issues here, Like we got issues going.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Up against this team.
Speaker 5 (01:43):
We don't want to play that team and that division
even I mean, Jacksonville is a similar thing. Carolina is
a team that people are going to sleep on. That's
what's so great about this tournament. Is there a favorite, Yeah,
there's a favorite.
Speaker 4 (01:57):
It's the La Rams.
Speaker 5 (01:58):
And I think that the Rams and the Seahawks Thursday
Night that could be the best game of the entire
You know, those could be the two best teams in
the NFL right there, Thursday night, and they might see
each other again, so you know, we'll see this.
Speaker 4 (02:09):
This is exciting. I'm loving it.
Speaker 5 (02:10):
That's why I was so entertained listening to you, you know,
kind of go through it.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
So my gut feeling is I do think Caleb and Bow.
I mean again, Caleb's got more torque, although I think
Bow is incredibly agile and athletic. He is so clever
and deceptive on the rollouts. My gut feeling is you
like Bow more than Caleb at this point though, right.
Speaker 5 (02:32):
Yeah, he's way more polished, refined game ready to me.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Okay, is there something about bo that does that you
do worry about? Is there a lower ceiling?
Speaker 3 (02:43):
How do you view him?
Speaker 5 (02:44):
Yeah, listen, I'm a I'm a huge, huge fan of
bon Knicks. That doesn't mean that he's playing perfect right now.
I mean you're talking about his numbers in the fourth
quarter and how they're good.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
Yeah they are good.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
But against Kream Bay, he put the ball in Harm's
way four times, like it's tips and overthrows. Got to
get those, that's what they say in defense, the Packers
didn't do it. Those balls were up in the air.
He gave them opportunities to lose that game. And you know,
I just even go back to like what Philip Rivers
did this past week, and everyone wants to talk about, Hey,
what do you see out of Philip Rivers? He didn't
(03:13):
put his team in negative situations.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
That's like the thing.
Speaker 5 (03:17):
That's the thing Tom Brady did so well, sing Aaron
Rodgers did so well. And I think that's a compliment
that I would give to Caleb Williams is that Caleb
Williams does a really nice job of protecting the football.
And he's done a nice job this year of protecting
his team in other ways. And so I think when
you get the play caller and the quarterback really on
the same page, really clicking, like you're my guy, through
(03:39):
thick and thin, no matter what, that's that's when you're
cooking with gas.
Speaker 4 (03:42):
And that's what the Broncos have.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
I'm not one hundred percent sure that that's what the
what the Chicago Bears have. Ben Johnson got hired to
fix Caleb, to do his magic with Caleb. He's off
to a great start. But to think that this is.
Those two guys are a forever pair. I think that
remains to be seen. I think they're off to a
great start, but you know the next three weeks are
going to tell a lot nationally televised games, and it's
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a great team around him.
Speaker 4 (04:08):
So I'm not all the ways sold.
Speaker 5 (04:10):
I thought this last game was the best game I've
seen Caleb play, though.
Speaker 1 (04:14):
So quarterback interceptions are not always on the quarterback. You
have young receivers, they don't run the right route, somebody
misses a block, you're rushed. Seven of the eleven interception
leaders in the NFL right now are like Pro Bowl
level quarterbacks, Josh Allen, Darnald, Dack, Mahomes, Herbert, Trevor Lawrence.
(04:35):
Let's talk Sam Darnold tomorrow against the Rams. Are his
interceptions when you watch him not seeing something reckless kind
of his DNA when you look at because I thought
Andrew Luck was a guy that wasn't reckless, but he
just he was an aggressive guy and he was going
to take big swings. Because Andrew Luck knew deep down
(04:57):
our roster's not very good. He can't go thirteen play drives.
We don't have that old line. Sam does have a
lot around him. Why is he throwing picks in his career?
What do they look like to you?
Speaker 5 (05:10):
Well, let's just go back to the about a month
ago they played the Rams. He had four interceptions in
that game, and I you know, his protection wasn't great
and he was just trying too hard. You know, most
of the interceptions that I've seen him throw this year,
as you know, he's just wanting it so bad. He
wants it to work. And you know, go back to
the last game against the Rams. The Rams won the game.
(05:31):
Sam Donald throws four interceptions, but if he only throws
three interceptions, the Seahawks win the game.
Speaker 4 (05:36):
And that's kind of the mindset.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
That I think the coaches are going to have to
get into him this week for the Thursday night game.
Speaker 4 (05:42):
And I've had coaches to do this to me as well.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
And they literally say it like, hey, listen, if you
just go from three interceptions to two interceptions, we win.
Speaker 4 (05:50):
And as a quarterback is like.
Speaker 5 (05:51):
Oh man, like I can do that, Like I can
do that instead of the mindset of like, hey, if
ro line is getting you know, worked by their D line,
you got to do some and heroic, you know, and
just it's like a mind it's a shift in how
you're thinking about it. And I think they're talking to
him the way that they probably talked to me or
Andrew Lucker, all the guys you mentioned. Hey, listen, we
have one of the best defenses in the NFL. Our
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special teams can go win us a game at the end.
We've got a great punter, Let him punt. You know,
those kinds of ways that you can talk to a
quarterback can kind of settle him down and make him
feel like, Hey, it's not all on me. This is
not me against the league MVP Matthew Stafford.
Speaker 4 (06:29):
This is me and my guys. This is me and
my team.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
This is me and my specialists, my defense, Leonard Williams,
those guys against the Rams, and that mindset can kind
of free you up as a quarterback.
Speaker 4 (06:39):
And I think that's what would help Sam the most.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
You know, a few years ago, we watched Russell Wilson
go Seattle to Denver and almost inexplicably fell off a
cliff and I think for two years we're like, what happened?
Speaker 3 (06:54):
Pro Bowl of this? And then I watched Tua over.
Speaker 1 (06:57):
The last year and a half fall off a cliff,
and they're both smaller quarterbacks who part of their gift
early was a little elusiveness could move the pocket. Kyler
Murray feels like he has dropped off a cliff. I've
been in the same room with you. You're about six',
four maybe a little, taller And i've said this IS
i don't want to. HEAR i see This vanderbilt. Quarterback
(07:19):
people are, like, oh And i'm, Like i'm not touching.
THAT i saw him in a, Picture Dylan. GABRIEL i
saw him a picture with other. Quarterbacks i'm not drafting.
That you tell, me did your SIZE i don't know
what you weighed two. Twenty did your size help you
through the years with all those punitive?
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Hits uh, yeah probably more like two forty even.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Today but, no, Listen i'm not a guy that's gonna
hate on somebody because of their. Height if you're a,
player you're a, player you're a, baller you're a.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Leader you're a guy that can protect the, ball you
can do it.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
DOWNFIELD i think two Is ACTUALLY i don't think too
have played his worst game this last. GAME i think
he played always played all. YEAR i think what got
to a bench was a lack of, grittiness like a
lack of, tough lack Of he.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Has no ability to do anything with his.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
Legs he takes sacks that don't need to be taken
in they're double digits minus twelve minus, eleven third and.
One you go to scramble year third and, two you
slide too. Early LIKE i think it's that that that
kind of like like frustration from the head coach where
it's like we need someone to like put this team
on their back and like send. Message and that's what
(08:23):
you get so excited. About when like a non running
quarterback runs for a first, down it's, like all, right
we got.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
Them here we.
Speaker 5 (08:29):
Go that's WHERE i Think tua needs says like step
up his. Game he had one interception that wasn't what
it was because they're not turning the page to somebody.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
Who's going to all of a sudden do, better like you're.
Speaker 5 (08:39):
Not i'm not expecting either one of those, quarterbacks based
on what they've shown this, year to do any better Than.
Tua this is this is a financial decision and them,
saying you know, what we would rather pay you fifty
four million dollars to not be our.
Speaker 4 (08:51):
Quarterback next year because we are frustrated.
Speaker 5 (08:53):
That you don't have what we see out of guys
Like Justin herbert and other guys that we. Admire Josh,
allen that's the, frustration and it's. Unfortunate maybe two pulls
himself out of, It maybe he gets another, opportunity but
it certainly doesn't look like it's going to happen In.
Speaker 1 (09:08):
Miami So i'm Watching Josh allen right. Now he's four
and oh this year when his defense has given up
thirty one or more, points the rest of the league
is like six and. Eighty and SOMETIMES i wonder If
josh would have Inherited Andy reid And Travis, kelcey AND
i think to myself And mahomes went To buffalo with
(09:29):
a defensive, coach would their careers be. DIFFERENT i Think John,
elway WHEN i was a kid or, younger was the
best most talented Quarterback i've ever, seen arm, Movement stanford,
guy just toughness. EVERYTHING i look At josh And i'm, like,
well he's more talented Than. Mahomes he's bigger and. Stronger
do you see that or do you still Think mahomes
(09:51):
has a Magic that's why he's got the trophies that
Maybe josh doesn't.
Speaker 5 (09:54):
HAVE i Think Josh allen ended up exactly where he
needed to end. Up you, know if you remember he
came into the, draft there was a little bit of you,
know it wasn't super, smooth and he went To buffalo
and he kind of hit a little bit from the
from the spotlight a little, bit and he.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Developed and of all the.
Speaker 5 (10:10):
Quarterbacks That i've sort of evaluated or watched or even
just been a fan, OF i thought That Josh allen
made the biggest improvement from college to THE nfl in
a two year. SPAN i, mean he was absolutely amazing
once he once it clicked for him in THE nfl
and he has never looked.
Speaker 4 (10:28):
Back and to, me you, know the defense is a.
Speaker 5 (10:31):
Problem the defense is a problem if you're trying to
hoist The. Lombardi but this is a guy that can
literally put his team on his. Back he can go
above the x's and o's if THE mvp is truly
just THE mvp and not necessarily how your team is
doing and all that kind of. Stuff Josh allen would
be that. Guy he's he's. Otherworldly oh my team's down
(10:52):
twenty one to nothing to the team that's going to
be the one, seed The New England. Patriots no big.
Deal let's, go let's go win it on the, Road
no big. Deal that's kind of who he. Is and
when you have that kind of, grittiness, competitiveness, belief not
only your teammates believe in you that, way but the,
opponent the opposing, coaches they're, like, ah, shoot you know
It's Josh.
Speaker 4 (11:12):
Allen's on the other.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
Side that's what everyone's looking for when they say franchise,
quarterback and The Buffalo bills have, it AND i mean
they are so lucky and fortunate to have.
Speaker 1 (11:21):
Them Matt hasselbeck is always appreciate you stopping, by and
we'll see you after a great weekend On, Monday.
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Speaker 6 (11:29):
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Speaker 6 (12:17):
Your.
Speaker 1 (12:17):
Knicks last, Night jmax picked up a very impressive W.
Speaker 6 (12:20):
Yeah you want a funny. Story so WHEN i saw
The spurs first two games this, SEASON i was, like
oh my, gosh they play hard and they're really. Good
SO i bet them to win THE Nba cup at long.
ODDS i was rooting for The spurs last night Against
knicks of two stuff and The spurs led by eleven
in the third. QUARTER i, mean did you watch that?
GAME i texted YOU i figured you ghosted. Me.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
No thirteen to one run by The. Knicks they were
getting out, played. Trailed og played, Great bronson didn't shoot particularly.
Well wemby didn't play particularly. Well, listen they got rid Of.
TIBs they bring In Mike, brown a well, traveled well like,
guy and we were all, Like.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
I'm not sure if it's gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Work there COULD i, ARGUE i don't think they have
a very good, bench not a hushable, bench and they
don't defend the three particularly. Well but CAN i argue
they're better. Offensively not quite as good defensively this, year
but they're a little better. Offensively would you agree with?
Speaker 6 (13:10):
That totally? AGREE i was proud Of Mike. Brown he
Benched McHale bridges for the entire. Quarter, Yeah bridges wasn't playing.
Good kat got bench for about seven minutes in the.
Fourth they were riding With Jordan, Clarkson tyler Kolek, okay
the kid From. MARQUETTE i love his, game but Like,
tims wouldn't play those Guys colin a year. Ago so
Now Mike brown's here and he's, like, yo, listen we're
gonna play our bench guys if my starters aren't. Performing.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah you.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Know it's like When Mark jackson coached The warriors Than Steve.
Kerr Mark jackson did define, job But steve was better.
Offensively The knicks are now number two, offensively and when
you watch, him it's LIKE i said ABOUT Jj reddick
Over Darvin. Ham darvin was great, defensively but you almost
felt the offense got jammed. Up when you WATCH Jj,
reddick it's like in THE nfl offensive coaches they just
(13:53):
get that side.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
Better WHEN i watch The, KNICKS i think.
Speaker 1 (13:56):
They feel more freed, up a little more creative. Offensively
not quite as good. Defensively but you're winning in this.
League if you can get, buckets.
Speaker 6 (14:05):
They're the best team in The. East you would, agree,
RIGHT i MEAN i don't know that right. Now right,
Now cats have fallen Off. Celtics we don't know If
tatum's coming. BACK i know The pistons are, hot but it's, like.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Come, on this is a Cade cunningham the last two
years has he is a top five or six, Player
but how about? This he's one of our he maybe
is he our best domestic player right?
Speaker 6 (14:25):
Now, Yes i'll give him, that not Over cooper flag
In Austin. Reeves BUT i just had to, go oh,
GOD i just had to get him in. There come,
ON U.
Speaker 3 (14:33):
J mack with the.
Speaker 2 (14:33):
News, no, no this is The herdline news all.
Speaker 6 (14:40):
Right it's weird. CALLED i think the media is getting
This tua situation, wrong AND i think you nailed it.
Earlier how this is a soft. Tank they're Benching toua
to lose. Games see what they've got in quinn, yours,
right McDaniel said, yesterday everything's on the table and now
yours is going to give them a chance to win.
Here but it's weird there's all this, like, oh, well
were we Trading tua? Two and then our guys are
(15:00):
looking at the cap hits and the contract is. Terrible,
colin nobody's taking on this, contract that's.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Right so there's no market For, jua, Okay so if
there is a, market you don't want him. Hurt so
it's not like The dolphins will try to. Lose but
when you go to Quinn ewers Against Joe, burrow you're
going to.
Speaker 3 (15:17):
Lose or Quinn.
Speaker 1 (15:18):
Ewers Against Baker mayfield Or drake May so they're gonna
go zero for three in these. Games they're still preparing to.
Win but they're Keeping tua upright and healthy if somebody does,
come because Remember jade And, Mayava i'm staying in, College
Dante moore may stay in. College you say there's no
market For, tua wait around.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
At march when you got one quarterback.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
And teams like The raiders are, like, Okay i'm just
saw at The. Raiders so everybody says there's no market For.
Tua be very. Careful If Dante moore Says i'm staying At,
oregon you're And Ty simpson Says i'm staying At.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Bama you don't.
Speaker 6 (15:58):
Have a choice idea that they're gonna cut two and
take the dead cap. Hit look At denver With Russell.
WILSON i would just Argue denver had a. Plan there
was like five quarterbacks that we're gonna go in the top. Twelve,
okay Bo nicks had four years experience starting in college.
FOOTBALL i understood that where's the? Quarterback what's the? Plan
(16:18):
the secession plan For? Tua, now if Quinn ewers likes
the world on fire, here, okay maybe he's your starter
and two was the expensive. Backup BUT i think he'll
be on The dolphins roster in twenty twenty. Six would you? Agree? No, okay?
Five what roster is TO i don't know the, answer but,
(16:38):
no ooh bold, Wow i'm seeing This Kyler murray For tua.
Swap that's. Comical. Guys just, stop all, right let's move
on to uh. Again Josh allen and THE Mvp colin, listen,
man but you AND i agree at least on. This
Josh allen is the best quarterback in the league right now.
Period i'm sorry to The mahomes fan. Boys he didn't
bring it this, year And alan's been. Amazing that come
(17:00):
back against The patriots vaulted him back into THE mvp.
Discussion we got a little graphic, here so THE mvp Leader. Stafford,
guys do not lay it minus three hundred With stafford right,
now followed By Drake May Josh. Allen, oh look at
Bo nicks, said plus seventy five. Hundred the problem Is.
Stafford if they Don't if he doesn't deliver In, seattle
(17:22):
the next two games ARE i Think atlanta And. Arizona
they're not high profile. Games guess Who Josh allen has
after this The Philadelphia. Eagles, okay so If stafford, Stumbles
Josh allen next week goes and beats The. Eagles see
that game there week. Seventeen, oh it just happens to
be On fox and thirty million people will Watch Josh
allen take down The Super Bowl champces and he wins THE.
(17:44):
Mvp SO i, mean, LISTEN i Think stafford's been, great
but he doesn't Have Davante.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Thursday does he get well again it's called most valuable.
Player if you Took stafford off The rams and let's
say you Played Jimmy garoppolo's, BACKUP i think you could
be a five hundred team if you Take Josh allen
out of The bulls or out of The. BILLS i,
mean they're The dolphins like they're just they're not enough elite.
Speaker 3 (18:10):
PLAYERS i don't.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
Know so, again most VALUABLE i always said When lebron
was In, cleveland just give him the. Award it's not
he's the most. Value he was worth five hundred million
equity to the. Ownership Josh allen's the most valuable player
in this, league whether he wins the. Award, again The
rams are, defense are coaching our run. Game i'm not
(18:35):
Saying stafford's not, great but he doesn't do anything out of.
Structure he's not a scramble. Guy he is a perfect.
Ace he is a great pitcher for this batting. Order Josh,
allen you take him out Of, buffalo the franchise is
worth a billion less like everything they. CAN'T i, mean
they're the number one run team in the. League, well
part of That's, josh not Just James.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Cook we Love. STAFFORDKHAN i know you love like a
top ten. Player if you Did rams And bills in
a Hypothetical Super bowl and you did your top ten players,
list how Many Buffalo bills on that? List Josh, Allen
James cook AND i, MEAN i Mean Dean dawkins is
really good to see crack the top.
Speaker 3 (19:15):
Ten it's it's. Price it's probably eight.
Speaker 6 (19:19):
Rams that's insane and to me that would Lead Josh
allen to be THE. Mvp but we'll see what the
what the voters have to. Say final storycl on to THE.
Nba Adam silver was holding court with the media before
THE Nba Cup championship, yesterday and, interestingly he talked about,
expansion buzzy word in the. League it's been out there
for a. While Adam silver basically saying expansion is coming next.
(19:43):
Year here's what he had to.
Speaker 8 (19:44):
Say in terms of the domestic. Expansion that is something
we're continuing to look, at not a. Secret we're looking,
at you, know this market In Las vegas we've looked.
Speaker 4 (19:56):
At we are looking At.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Seattle we've looked at other markets as.
Speaker 8 (19:58):
Well i'd Say I'M i want to be sensitive there
about this notion that we're somehow teasing these markets BECAUSE
i know we've been talking about it for a, while
or in the process of you, know working with our
teams and gauging the level of interest and having a
better understanding of what the economics would be on the
ground for those particular.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Teams.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
YEAH i, MEAN i don't think most sports In america need,
expansion BUT i do think there is a ton of
really good basketball talent. GLOBALLY i Think vegas is WHO
i would. Pick seattle And, vancouver they are a long
flight in a long winter, SEASON i would, say now
that hockey's In, SEATTLE i would put it In. VEGAS
i think in a winter, league everybody loves to go To.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
Vegas, well you.
Speaker 6 (20:42):
Got to do. Too you got to have even you,
know sixteen in each. Conference which leads me to. This
seattle And vegas Are West coast. Teams they will go
both in The Western, Conference so that means you've got
to move somebody to The east In. Milwaukee, Milwaukee milwaukee's
already in The. East but here's the. Thing minnesota And,
MEMPHIS i think we'll have a, knockdown drag out. Fight
(21:03):
get me away from the fur. Right luca And. WENDY
i don't want any part of that winning in The.
Speaker 3 (21:09):
East you, KNOW i was confused Because i've said this for.
Speaker 1 (21:12):
Years If chicago Wasn't chicago and hockey in The, west
If Michael jordan and The bulls would have been in The,
west he wouldn't have gone six for six because he
would have arguably made the finals and lost to The
pistons and The.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
Celtics so sometimes.
Speaker 1 (21:27):
Where you are, GEOGRAPHICALLY i Mean, lebron it was a
big advantage being in The, EAST i mean. Huge in The,
west it's just more intense games Like lebron in The
west has been very. Good they don't EVEN i Mean
Oklahoma city now is beating teams by sixteen a. Game
it's like it's over Like denver because A jokich's greatness
(21:49):
is always going to be. Viable and they Gave Okay
see some problems last. Year he's a hard. Matchup but
you know the league would, love you, know with The.
Pelicans The pelicans are in The.
Speaker 6 (21:59):
West, yeah that's a. Goofy but here here's my. Thing
Anthony edwards has been talked about his potential face of the.
League he ain't breaking through The. West colin it's just
not there's too many good, teams too many stack. Rosters
you Put Anthony edwards in The, east he might be
in the finals in three. Years he's that. Good in
The east is really down. Man it's like there's a
couple of good. Players but If giannis gets, traded what
(22:21):
are they talking? About Houston? Rockets, MAYBE. Okc like everybody's
in The. WEST i would love If I'm Anthony edwards
to be in The Eastern. Conference he is A i
mean you Love Anthony. EDWARDS i, know, yeah, no.
Speaker 3 (22:33):
NO i, mean, YEAH i Guess.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Minnesota, YEAH i mean it's, Yeah minnesota and The pelicans
go to The. East, NOW i mean The pelicans don't
make any sense in The west.
Speaker 3 (22:45):
Flying To New. Orleans, yeah that doesn't make any. Sense
but it's.
Speaker 1 (22:51):
Hard would you Take Anthony edwards moving him out of
The west to The. East he's been in the hasn't he?
Been the last Two Western conference? Finals he made one or.
Speaker 6 (23:03):
Two but yeah, again looking, forward you know he's getting
his big contract coming. Up LIKE i JUST i Like
aunt a, lot one of my Favorite by the, way
he's a big ping pong. PLAYER i know you like
to table. Tennis it Up. Anthony he's just got that
magnetic personality That willy wins fans.
Speaker 1 (23:17):
Over, Remember Halla burton And Jason tatum are coming back next,
Year so The east is sort of it's better than
we're giving it credit. For, ALSO i think The, sixers
Rookie sixers will get. Better, Oh halliburton comes, Back tatum comes.
Back it's a little artificial at this. Point The east is,
bad but it's got two of its top five players
(23:38):
and like real, playmakers real leaders of a franchise that are.
Speaker 3 (23:41):
Out J mack with a.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
News, well that's the, news and thanks for stopping by
The Herd Line news In.
Speaker 3 (23:49):
Chicago it's the.
Speaker 2 (23:50):
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Speaker 6 (23:56):
Tonight it's a college hoops tripleheader ON fs, one starting
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West coast Where Arizona state takes ON. Ucla it all
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Speaker 1 (24:14):
One you, know it's so funny to listen to everybody
to say college football is broke and it's falling. Apart
you could do yourself a favor and get rid of
twenty of your athletic. Programs why do you have fencing
and rowing and all these sports that don't make any.
MONEY i watch college. Football the ratings are, great the
stadiums are, packed the revenue is, unbelievable the boosters are all.
(24:34):
Engaged college football didn't have a. Problem college athletics is
a house of. Cards because you have thirty four athletic
teams in thirty two hemorrhage.
Speaker 3 (24:42):
Money cut.
Speaker 1 (24:43):
THEM i mean to, ME i would have, football men's and, women's,
basketball men's and, women's, whatever the stuff that you, know
baseball or, softball whatever makes money in, revenue and if
anything that supports Our olympic or Our World cup. MOVEMENT
i would keep soccer men's and. WOMEN'S i would keep
track and field men's and. Women's those support Our World
(25:06):
cup aspirations are Our olympic. Aspirations BUT i mean all
these athletic. Departments ALL i KNOW i watch. Football stadium's, packed, revenues,
flowing ratings are. Great college football is not the. Problem
the problem is you have all these. Programs they're all
hemorrhage and. Money SO i you, KNOW i look at college. Football,
(25:26):
Now indiana And Texas tech are two of the top six,
teams seven teams in the.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Country it's.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Broken the little, Guy James madison two lanes in the
playoff and it's. BROKEN i, Mean Notre dame didn't get.
In James madison. Did you're telling me it's. Broken the
rich are only getting. Richer Notre dame did not get,
in but Two lane. Did that doesn't feel broken to.
(25:52):
Me the little guys getting a little. Life the big
guys get in. Life you, Know you've always got some
big programs Like michigan and right now is sort, of you,
know a little bit of a mess. Obviously so you've
always got one of those programs out there that's a
big dog looking for a.
Speaker 3 (26:06):
Coach BUT i don't.
Speaker 1 (26:08):
KNOW i keep hearing about college football AND i, remember you,
KNOW i grew up on The West coast with The
pac twelve and when it, disbanded everybody freaked. Out and
my takeaway, Is i'm watching the games outside Of washington And.
Speaker 3 (26:19):
Oregon there's a bunch of empty.
Speaker 1 (26:20):
Seats nobody's going TO, ucla nobody's going to cal nobody's
going To. Stanford what's the point take the four best
teams and put them in The big, ten just like
The big. Twelve texas And oklahoma were, great but it
was a bunch of you, know, nonsense a bunch of you,
know small towns and can't drive. Revenue and Yet texas
And oklahoma have to share all their. REVENUE i don't.
(26:43):
KNOW i feel like The big ten in THE sec are.
Money we still Have Notre dame And miami out there
that feel.
Speaker 3 (26:50):
Big in THE.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Acc Texas tech has, emerged you, Know Utah zoha is.
VIABLE I Arizona state's kind of. Fascinating With dillingham coaching,
him he may. LEAVE i don't feel like it's. Broken
revenue is, Unbelievable ratings are through the. Roof The Big
ten's never been, stronger THE sec has never been. Stronger
there never been more GAMES i want to. WATCH i
(27:13):
was A pac twelve. GUY i was done Watching cal Against.
ARIZONA i did not need to see that another time
in my. Life you, know the bigger issue with college
sports is this unwillingness to look in the mirror and
look at your books and get rid of all these.
Apps you, know they, say what about title. Nine i'm
not saying get rid of women's. Programs i'm saying get
(27:34):
rid of, both get rid of a lot of this
stuff that doesn't make any. Money do you really need, fencing, rowing?
WRESTLING i don't. Know IT'S i just WHEN i see
an athletic department has thirty four, Teams how in the
world does some of these sports make. Money it's a
friends and family. Crowd it's like relatives or nobody goes
(27:57):
to the. Sport why do you have?
Speaker 3 (27:59):
Them is there An is there a minimum number you
have to? HAVE i, MEAN i don't.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
KNOW I i know football drives the. Bus you know there's,
another there's. Another you notice these. Highlights look at the.
Crowd there's not a seat, available and those people aren't
getting in for five. BUCKS i, mean, look here's another
Game oregon. Game crowd pack looks like A nfl. GAME
(28:25):
i don't think college football has got a. Problem if
if your ratings and your revenue are, up you don't
have a problem with that. Sport you have the problem
with all the gravy trainers and college athletics that are
living off. Football got a lot of gravy trainers in
that athletic department with egos that think they're tennis programs.
Viable their water polo is a big. Deal can't give
(28:46):
me a. Break that's just you're just writing checks and
getting nothing. Back college football to, me never any any.
Business it doesn't matter what business it.
Speaker 3 (28:56):
IS i don't.
Speaker 1 (28:56):
Care if you're a streaming, company you could be you
could Be. NETFLIX i go To. NETFLIX i watch a
lot On. Netflix if you, say, well they're not making, money,
well then fire the directors that can't create hit, shows
not the Ones i'm. Watching i'm watching streaming. Companies if
streaming companies aren't making, money it's not because of the top,
directors top, writers and top. Actors get rid of the middle.
(29:19):
Down they're the one losing money Because i'm going to
those streaming services That i'm paying. For there's my ted
talk J. Mac you're watching as much college, football.
Speaker 6 (29:32):
You, know there's this thing Called title nine that's Still.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
OH i.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
Know i'm not saying.
Speaker 1 (29:36):
That i'm not saying to cut, No i'm. Not i'm
saying cut both men's and women's. Rowing i'm not saying
to cut one or the. Other i'm saying. Football and
THEN i would have five or six sports with. Both
but the idea you need thirty four programs in an
athletic department and thirty two lose, money twenty hemorrhage.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
Money, me you're flying. Kids all cal right now is
flying people to The east. Coast there's nine people at the.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
EVENT i didn't have this ranch on My bingo card this,
week So i'm not fully equipped to agree or disagree with.
You i'll just say. THIS i got two young, KIDS
i know their. FRIENDS a lot of people have gravitated
toward a sport like fencing because you know, what it's
an easier way to get into really good colleges if
you're an expert, fencer because there's not a lot of those.
(30:24):
Everybody football gives out a, ton, soccer all the major,
sports but it's these smaller sports how kids are able
to get into.
Speaker 1 (30:30):
College by the, way those sports don't give out full.
SCHOLIES Ivy league doesn't give out.
Speaker 6 (30:34):
Scholarships, No, no you can get like a partial or
they'll give you money that makes up for what would
be a scholarship because they can't do an.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Athletics i'm for men's and women's, soccer men's and women's,
basketball men's and women, track and. Field there's a lot of.
Stuff we have volleyball in. There come on volleyball. THERE
i like, volleyball but thirty Four athletic.
Speaker 3 (30:51):
Program.
Speaker 6 (30:52):
Listen you know. Rowing i'll tell you a rowing story off. Air.
Listen there's a it's an interesting. Discussion i'll just leave
it at.
Speaker 3 (30:58):
That, well you get what if there's a rowing story that's.
LISTEN i got a rowing. Story it's highly.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
CONTROVERSIAL i can't tell you on air this rowing.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Story
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