NFL Films analyst Greg Cosell joins the show for expert NFL film breakdown, discussing how Jalen Hurts and the Philadelphia Eagles offense have found their rhythm again and what adjustments have fueled their resurgence Plus, Cosell examines what the Packers defense could look like without Micah Parsons
To wrap things up, Colin delivers his “Holiday Apology Letters,” owning up to past takes about some of the biggest names in sports, including Aaron Rodgers, Dak Prescott, and more
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go hour two and a Thursday. Ram Seahawks
in the Pacific Northwest. Sam Darnold last two seasons twenty
five up and six down. I gave you that little
jam earlier this week.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
If you go.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Take the Jets ten year out and you go to
Carolina where he sat for eleven weeks, first time he'd
ever sat, and he starts in like week eleven for
Carolina from that day until tonight, here's a higher win percentage.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Mahomes and Brady.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I said it, Sammy d Sam Donald, the overall
culture with Mike McDonald, John Snyder, it's just they're a
fun watch. They're aggressive both sides of the ball. They
can be physical, they're fast. Here's the coach on his club.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
My message to our team was, hey, we'rening. We are
really fortunate and blessed and should feel really confident in
the work that we've done up to this point to
put ourselves in this position where we have a lot
of great players that are ready to go. We trust
each other. I feel like we're a connected team. I
feel like we're a tough team, and.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
So let's go.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Let's go do it. You know, let's go, let's go
rip it. Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
With that, Greg Cosell, forty six years working at NFL Films,
we all get smarter. So let's pivot quickly to the Rams.
Let's start with the Rams, and they're talented. When you
watch the offense with somebody with four and a half
decades of experience of watching all times of offense from
the ugly tush push to Mike Martz, give me what
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when you watch the Rams? Is there a prototype? Have
you seen it before? What do you make of the offense?
Speaker 6 (02:18):
I think when you watch the Rams? What really struck me?
And I don't recall seeing something as dramatic as this
colin From weeks one through six this season, they did
not play one snap with three tight ends on the field.
Beginning Week seven until now, forty one percent of their
offensive snaps have had three tight ends on the field. Now,
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one game where they didn't play a lot of it
was against Seattle Week eleven. But with Devonte Adams out,
I would imagine they will play with three tight ends
a very good percentage of the time. And I'm not
going to sit here and recite numbers, but just believe me.
They have been so good out of three tight end personnel,
not just running the ball as one might expect, but
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passing the ball the last two games, the last two
games Dallas and Detroit with their opponents, just out of
three tight ends, they've gained close to seven hundred yards.
Think about that for a minute. They've gained close to
seven hundred yards in the last two games and scored
eight touchdowns just out of three tight ends. And what
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they normally get is a base defense, although with Seattle
they pretty much played big nickel on every snap, because
one could make the argument that Nicki Minwari is the
most important player on the Seahawks defense because of what
he can do, and again he predominantly alignes at the
second level, but he's a really, really good player in
Seattle's defense. They're a fun watch. By the way.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Let's touch on Seattle's offense. What's wrong with the Seahawks
run game.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Yeah, they have really struggled to run the ball. I
think their old line has had a hard time. I
think it's a bad mix. I think it's an old
line that hasn't played well and it's a back in
Kenneth Walker, who to me, the way I always thought
about him, even watching him in college, is he's more
jazz musician than classical pianists. In other words, he's looking
to improvise. He's not someone who hits it up and
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gets the hard yards where three yards or four yards
becomes really important in an offense as opposed to looking
for that note, that outside note, and then he deans
one yard or loses two yards. So it's a bad
marriage of an old line not playing particularly well, and
I think Walker is a guy that just needs to
hit it up in there. And I think that's one
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reason they play sharbon A as much as they do,
because Charboney obviously does not have a lot of juice,
but at least he gets downhill.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I want to go Bears Packers. You know Chicago's run game.
They went and got Dolman Toney and Jonah Jackson and
I I said this last hour, it's not that they
run it well, it's that there are often holes that
are substantial that jump off the television where you I mean,
like not Crevice's there's gap. Yeah, when you watch the film.
Does the Bears run game get enough credit?
Speaker 6 (05:06):
No? Because we talk about Caleb every week, and that's
fine because he makes special plays. But they're the second
best running team in the National Football League. Only two
teams average over one hundred and fifty yards rushing, the
Bills and the Bears. And what I love with Ben Johnson,
and I don't think he gets enough credit for it either,
is his use of tight ends in the run game
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and his use of pre snap movement in the run game.
It almost reminds me, and you'll know exactly who I'm
talking about. Maybe some listening won't, but it almost reminds
me going back a long time to Joe Gibbs with
the Washington Redskins with the use of motion in the
run game. Because what it does is it changes run support,
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so it changes angles, it changes leverage, and it benefits
you mightily in the run game. And you can just
go back to that game a few weeks ago against
the Eagles when they did that exceptionally well, but their
use of tight ends in the run game as good
as any team in the league.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Michael Parsons out for the year.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
How punitive?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
How punitive is that for the Packers defense going forward?
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah, that's going to be interesting this week. I guess
that's a Saturday night game, and that's going to be
interesting to see how that plays out. Because what Jeff
Hapley and I think he's done an unbelievable job. He's
predominantly a four man D line rush guy, and what
he does really well is changed the picture on the
back end pre snap to post snap. So the question
is that we don't know the answer till we see it.
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Colin is does he rush five? You know a few
more times than that he might normally because he doesn't
have that one guy in Parsons who can win from
multiple locations in the defensive front. Now it's a more
traditional front. Now he has to rely on guys like
Lucas van ness Eg Nabari Gary, guys like the Gary's
a good player, by the way, but guys like that
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to be able to win one on one matchups, I
think they'll stunt a lot They've always been a high
percentage stunting team to try to create confusion and protection.
But the question, and we won't know the answer, is
will he rush five a higher percentage of the time?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
All right, a team right.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Now that you know listen, I think there's a big
chunk of America, myself included, that would like to see
the Buffalo Bills finally win a Super Bowl. There's so
many things about the people, the culture, Josh Allen. They
don't have much of a vertical threat. They're very tight
end centric. Maybe Ed Oliver coming back helps the defense.
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I always feel like, and I felt this at various
times for the last six or seven years, they just
rely way too much on Josh Allen. But then I
think to myself, well, if you have it, use it.
I mean, I guess when you watch their offense, do
you feel like it sometimes they just wait for Josh
to save them.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
I don't think that's true. And I think that, you know,
the numbers bear that out. And because every time I
watch them play, they get to the second half of games,
and we know they've been tra at times at halftime
this year. You know, they come out in the third
quarter almost every week and they run the ball. That's
how they stabilize their offense. You might be surprised to
know that the running back that has the most second
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half rushes in the NFL is James Cook. This is
not a team that just relies on Josh Allen. It's
just that he makes special plays and is capable of it.
So it appears that way, and he certainly has games
where he like a six touchdown game, But it's not
just Josh Allen and nothing else. On offense. They've got
probably a top three offensive line in the league. They
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run the ball exceptionally well. As I said, Cook has
the most second half carries of any back in the league.
And you'll look at last week's game, I thought their
defensive coaching staff did an outstanding job because they changed
up some things in the second half and they caused
Drake May to be a little hesitant and to not
see things as clearly as he did in the first half,
and he has for most of the season. So yes,
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we focus on Josh and deservedly so. I mean, you
and I probably both agree we may have never seen
a quarterback that's more physically gifted than Josh Allen, but
it's not just him, the way they play.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
There's a team in the league that's actually very good,
but all of us, myself included, are just not going
to embrace them until I see it, and that's Jacksonville.
And they go to Denver. Now, now Denver's played a
tough schedule, Jacksonville's played a little softer schedule years. You know,
I loved Trevor Lawrence out of college, and after about
three or four years, I'm like, he turns it over
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too much, he gets lured into bad picks. Well, this
team can run, they can stop the run. You tell
me this offense for Jacksonville, is it for real?
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Yeah? Well, it's funny because the last five weeks and
they've won five in a row. Trevor Lawrence has the
most touchdown passes of any quarterback in the last five weeks.
And I would say because I watch them every week,
because I like you. Trevor Lawrence is a guy that
always fascinated me, even going back to Clemson. You can
see a difference in the way he's been playing the
last five weeks, and I'm sure it's a comfort level
in Liam Cohen's offense. One of the things you look
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for with a quarterback. Is he decisive with his reads
and his throws. Because quarterbacks that are decisive, that means
in their mind they're seeing it with clarity. Does that
mean every throw is great, No, But in their mind
they're seeing it with clarity because the ball's coming out
within timing and structure and rhythm. And he has played
like that the last five weeks and one of the
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things that really stands out on film is how well
he's throwing the ball outside the numbers, and those are
hard throws in this league. So again, I'm not going
to sit here and say he's going to have a
great game against Denver. That's a really difficult defense. It's
on the road. Denver leads the NFL in third down defense,
they lead the NFL in quarterback sacks. It's a very
hard defense to play against. So hey, he could throw
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two or three picks and then people might say, oh,
there you go, he's still not very good. But just
watching him these last four or five weeks, there is
a clear comfort level in the way in which he
is playing.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Listen, I've said it before, loudly and proudly. I like
my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard, to move.
I like big quarterbacks have big strong guys. I watched
Russell Wilson age overnight. Kyler Murray is age quickly. Tua
maybe more than the previous two. I mean, when you
watch Tua, when I watch him Greg, this kid doesn't
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want to get hit. I mean, I just I watch
a very apprehensive quarterback.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Tua is part to me of a larger discussion that
has gotten a lot of conversation this week about pure
progression versus reading defense, you know, and the old school.
In fact, Kirk Cousins spoke about this so eloquently this week.
Tua is very much sort of a pre snap quarterback.
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He's got to hit his back foot, he's got to
deliver the ball with timing, with rhythm, and yeah, you
want your quarterbacks to do that, but that can't happen
on every play. And what's happened is defenses have gotten
a much better fee for the kinds of throws that
he can make, and he has limitations in the kinds
of throws that he can make. So once you take
those throw away or minimize his ability to make those throws,
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there's not much more to do. There's not much more
in his toolbox, So I think that's what's happened, and
his arm strength quite frankly, I don't know if it's
gotten worse, but it's probably below NFL average standards. Now. Now,
do you need a gun to be a good quarterback
in the league, No, but there is a certain level
where you have to be able to make throws that
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are not always within timing and structure, and he's probably
below that level right now.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Kyle Shanahan ripped off is the wrong term, but a
lot of people have picked up elements of his offense,
and so sure they're not fooling people with that offense
like they were six years ago or five years ago,
and yet it just keeps working. Now, I probably need
to give brock Purty more love, but they've done it
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without Ayyuk Deebo's gone. Offensive line left tackles old, but
great Kittle hasn't lost a step, it feels like.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But I watched this offense and.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'm like, Kyle's been running this offense forever. Half the
league's taken it and it's still unbelievably effective. Has he
tweaked it over time?
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yes? Well, what you see a lot of are changes
in the use of pre snap movement and formations, because
don't forget, there's not a thousand concepts in the past
game for instance, So it's how do you get to them?
What is your presentation to the defense? How do you
get the defense to react so you can gain leverage
with your routes, so you can win with your routes
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versus own coverage, so you can create space. The motion element,
the pre snap movement element, is so critical to what
they do. They've added a number of elements to that
this year that again show the defense a totally different presentation.
But there's an example when you get right down to it,
they've added all those things, but it's still a very
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choreographed offense. It's you know, the term I would use
is there's an illusion of complexity to their offense in
what they do, which makes it difficult for the defense.
But it's probably I would assume this. I'm not in
the meetings obviously, but I would assume in the way
it's taught, it's probably relatively simple, but there's a complexity
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illusion that's presented to the defense.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay, I want to let's end talking Eagles and Jalen
Hurts this offense, yes, and I noted this earlier this week.
Feels like it's been broken since Week one. Stages of
being broken. Is there anything you've seen that's encouraging with
Jalen Hurts on the offense.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Well, I certainly can't tell you why they do things
that they do. All I can tell you is the
last two weeks, including the loss by the way to
the Chargers, they've expanded their past game concepts and it's
been good to see. They've started to do more things
which really helped Jalen Hurts, which really helped to define
region throws for him. And they've done that the last
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two weeks. Like I said, I can't tell you why
they didn't do it weeks one through twelve. I don't
know the answer to that. I'm not smart enough for that, Colin,
but I do know what I see on film, and
they've definitely expanded it. Also, what they started to do
a little bit more, and this was clearly part of
what they did the last number of years was more
quarterback design runs and that puts a lot of pressure
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on the defense. But I think you know, he threw
a touchdown late in the game last week. Obviously he
was against the Raiders. We know they're not very good.
That doesn't mean a lot to me. It's the execution.
So let's go to that play because I think it
speaks a lot to Jalen Hurts. And you know he
can make throws. He's a Super Bowl champion quarterback, you know,
so he can make throws. This was the touchdown JJ
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Brown later in the game. But I really liked this
play for a number of reasons. Number one, you're going
to see Hurts in the gun. Now he has Shipley
next to him here, not Barkley, although Barkley's on the
field as well. Now notice Shipley will shift outside in
what we call a plus split. He's far outside the
numbers to the wide side of the field. So now
you have an empty set. And what you have here
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is something you don't see very often, which is trips
into the boundary, trips into the short side of the field,
and Barkley is on that side of the field. So
it's what we call a pony package. So now what
you're going to get here as you look to the
top of the screen, you're going to get Shipley running
a slant route and AJ Brown is inside of him.
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He's going to run a seam route. That's the two
man route combination. Look where that post safety is. He's
cheated to the trip side of the field, and that's important.
So what you have to make sure when you're Jalen
Hurts when you take the snap is he doesn't rotate
over to play that seam route by Brown. That's critical.
If he rotates over, you can't throw it. So now
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the ball's going to get snapped and he's going to
stay outside. So now he is outside the hashmark to
the trip side. You have the slant route by Shipley.
Once he disappears. Okay, here's the critical thing. Once Shipley disappears,
now the throat is to the seam. But you have
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to beat the outside corner whose job it is to
overlap that route. So what does Hurtz do really well
here it's the subtlety of the position. He bends Brown
in a little bit further. Instead of throwing the straight seam,
he bends him in just a little bit further to
make sure that that corner cannot overlap that route. This
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is really this is high level quarterbacking here by Hurts,
and this is what you want to see. Like I said,
it's a detail, it's a nuance. It's a subtlety, but
you know that's what playing the quarterback position is. And
when I saw this on tape, I said, that's just
a really good play. So I'm really anxious to see
where their offense goes now, Colin, as it continues down
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the last three games, and obviously they're going to win
the division, so they'll be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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college and pro football by the end of the hour.
(18:21):
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I admit it. I took out the pen and the
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Speaker 1 (19:15):
Great to have you in Seahawks hosting the Rams tonight
Seattle twenty one and ten since they moved on from
Pete Carroll and the Raiders have their own problems, but
Seattle's on a roll three straight A drafts from John Snyder.
So you're gonna get a look at fifteen players total
tonight that are you know, under twenty six years old,
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twenty seven years old, that are really special players. Go
back to that John Snyder draft when he got JSN
and Witherspoon, the receiver star from Ohio State in the
corner from Illinois, both home runs. He has just been
on a heater drafting for the last three years. Here's
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
This is the Herd News.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
And let's go to Seattle for that game. Weather reports
are not looking good. It could get inclement there, but
don't worry. McVeigh is dealing with the weather and guess what, Colin,
he's also dealing with a new record, Colin Unbelievably. If
McVeigh wins tonight, he has ninety nine career wins, he
has a chance to hit one hundred. He would be
the third coach in NFL history to win one hundred
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games before turning forty years old.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
The other two John Madden.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
No, these guys are Yeah, Curly Lambeau love him.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
George Hallis, Oh yeah, you were probably.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
What a college guy hanging out focusing.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
On Hallis and old Curly could bring it.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
Yeah, So McVeigh in a really impressive group if he's
able to pull off the dub tonight. You know mcvay's
got a lot going on. He just had a new baby.
You know, his wife gave birth, so you know he's
a father, a lot going on. Holiday season number one.
See this game is crazy tonight. Hope you don't have
any holiday parties to go to and gogo, you gotta
lock in there's like a one drink minimum tonight for you.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Right, Well, that doesn't mean I can't open up a
second small bottle of champagne to celebrate the greatness that
is Fox Sports in the NFL football season.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
And listen, I'm not gonna lie Rams getting the number
one seed that weans multiple playoff games out here at
so far.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
You know that's not bad.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
Well, indoors, give me so far over twenty degrees outside
in Chicago or Green Bay or Philly. Sorry, I know
some people love that. Give me the warm weather dome.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think I could argue bad weather favors the Rams
because they have a more consistent, high end run game.
And if you if if both teams, if it's windy,
Randon sideways up in Seattle, I take the Rams run game.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Interesting.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Yeah, I don't want to be I don't want to
be sitting Colin Coward. I don't really have a side here.
I'm rooting Rams a little bit, but you know, just
for the Niners scenario, I'm kind of rooting Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So whatever, I just hope it's a great game. I
think it will be. Yeah, all right, Next up.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Joe Burrow, Colin Boy Interestingly, he keeps saying stuff into microphones. Yeah,
it's NFL superstars don't normally say yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You know the media is it feels like there's chum
in the water.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
And they were asking him yesterday about what his future
looks like with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
This is not great. Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Is there any world in your mind when you're not
the quarterback of the Bengals next year? I could, I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I can't see that now.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
A lot of crazy things happen every year. Michael Parsons
got traded.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Right before the right before the season.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
I think this year.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That is something I haven't seen in a long time
in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
So crazy things gonna happen. I know.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
We have a Bengals fan on staff who just hears
that and is just burying his.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Head in his hands.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Bro.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
That is basically like, somebody come get me, is it not?
Is Joe Burrow not saying I'm open.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
To leaving this franchise? It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, I mean I feel actual little sadness for Joe
because I think he's never had an offensive line better
than twenty third. The weird thing, I always have sympathy
for pro athletes who their first team out of college.
They work all these years to be elite and they
end up going to a terrible franchise with bad ownership
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and a small front office. I mean, he's just I mean,
how many more times can he get beat up and
have to go into rehab? He's you know, the good
thing is they got him. They got him good receivers,
but not much else.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, so here's a fun portion of the program.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Burrow said next year he'll be in Cincinnati after that TBD. Right,
So I've got four teams. I've been spitballing working around
some stuff. Here are you ready? Four teams for Joe Burrow.
Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin Obviously, Jalen Hurts
is there for this year and next year. But Howie
Rosevean has taken some big swings, some surprising moves.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
They've moved off, they brought in guys.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
I wouldn't rule out if Burrow's on the market Philadelphia
making a move.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Your thoughts, Oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
The kind of thing Howie Roseman would do. Yeah, okay,
So yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
There's another team that has taken some big swings. They
happen to play out here at SOFI and that's McVeigh
and the Rams less sneed.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
They are always working.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
They got DeVante Adams, they went and got Matthew.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Stafford for golf. Stafford's got a year or two left.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
You don't think there's a world where they make a
move and go after Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Well, no, no, no, I do think there's a world
that would happen. And they have such a stacked roster
they could give Cincinnati a number one pick and like
a Pro Bowl level defensive lineman. I mean they have
that kind of depth. Yeah, I mean I can see
the Rams doing that. I can see McVeigh saying I
don't want a twenty two year old quarterback, I want
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my Stafford.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah yeah, So two more.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
This one obviously is self interest, but I can see
the New York Jets being a decent fit for Burrow.
I know they have a terrible owner of that. Joe
feels like a New York kind of guy. They get
into fashion and a chance to be the franchise savior
in New York.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
No, from the Bengals ownership to the Jets.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Out of the frying pan, end of the potcatcha the
final one Colin this one's interesting. His college buddy Justin
Jefferson plays in Minnesota. Georgie McCarthy is going to get
another year, right, But after that, Kevin O'Connell, if they
don't make the playoffs next year, hey Kevin, you got
to do something big.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
They make a move and go get Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Oh I could see that because the Bengals wouldn't have
to pay maybe the rest of Burrow's contract. I don't
have the numbers in the years in front of me,
but you know, anytime they can save a nickel, they will,
So I could see that happening.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Yeah, you know there's gonna be a we joke about markets.
That's a huge market for Burrow. Everybody and their mom
is doing whatever they can.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, he's had he's had a lot of injuries, so
you buy or beware. I'm not acquiring him if I
have to give up offensive lineman or if I have
a bad old line like the rams O line is good,
but he is. I have some sympathy for Joe. I
know he's made a lot of money, he's a pro athlete,
but you know, I feel bad for these guys that
get drafted by lousy franchises. And Cincinnati's cheap and you
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know they won't protect him.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I mean, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
First thing Ben Johnson did with Kayleb Williams by an
elite center, buy two really good guards, first thing he did,
and then get him another receiver, Luther Burton, get him
a tight end. I mean, the first thing he did
is furnished Caleb Williams with assistance, protection, insurance, and health.
That's how you do it, all.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Right, Final story, Colin.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
Speaking of the Bengals, they will be facing Quinn Viewers
and the Miami Dolphins. Tua has been benched for yours.
In his first media appearance since the decision, Tua discussed
his feelings on getting kicked to the curb.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
I'd say, I'm disappointed. I think it's normal, it's normal
human emotion. But you know, outside of that, I got
to do my part. My role here right now is
to help whoever the quarterback is going to be for
this team, to lead this team, help in whatever.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Way I can, uh, you know.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
To help the team win, win this game on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, it's time he had a run. It's time he
had that was impressive.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
By to listen, you get benched and you're facing the
media fifty microphones in your face. He sounded good, Colin,
I've got a crazy staff for you.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I just noticed this.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
You want to guess how many rookie quarterbacks are starting
this weekend in the NFL?
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Six?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Wow? How did you know that? I was like, I
didn't even know six guys were drafted. It was such
a bad glass.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Here we go, yours, cam Ward, Tyler, Schuck, Jackson Dart,
Shador Sanders, and yes, Brady Cook is starting for the
Jets again. This is a sign that multiple teams get
the whole tanking memo right.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Some of these guys should not be starting this week.
Let Brady Cook is what they're staying in New York.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They're not saying J Mack with a news Well that's
the news and thanks for stopping by her line. This
should be noted. They're all a little better than we thought.
Tyler Shucks, a little better than we thought, Jackson, d Art, Schador, Sanders.
Everybody said, oh, it's a bad quarterback class. I even
watched the Cook kid for the Jets last week. I'm like,
I watched them in college Missouri. I'm like, he's a
pretty good player.
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Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know, j Mack, I'm a bit of a traditionalist,
and this time of the year, I don't know, I
get the warm and fuzzies here I'm gonna I took
out a pencil, number two pencil and uh, some note cards,
and I wanted to set her. You know, people I've
wronged in college and pro football over the last couple
of months. You know, I'm I'm big enough man to
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acknowledge I've hurt some feelings. So I thought i'd i'd
write some letters. Okay, okay, let's start. I mean, he's
led the Steelers to the number three red zone offense.
Let's start with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Dear.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Aaron, I said this offense was a rotary phone in
a smartphone world, dated, clunky and unnecessary, But like fries
in a sandwich, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Didn't know they needed you. Now they can't live without
you buy Awuasca. Colin.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You know I was tough on Dak Prescott and the
Cowboys this year, so I grabbed that number two pencil.
Dear Dak, I once said you were not the guy
you would back up the Brinks truck for. Consider this
my Texas size surrender. You can lead a team and
a league. If you were on my team, I'd back
up the Brinks truck, the Ben and Jerry's truck, the
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Budweiser truck. Your friend Colin leads the NFL in passing yards.
You know what, I'm going to send one to his
billionaire friend, Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Happy Yee Holidays.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Jerry, I said, you run the Cowboys like an impulse
buy at Bucky's that you like headlines over hardware and
splash over substance. This year's trade big splash, a cannon
ball off the yacht. Still you swung. So I'm holding
up a ten, Colin. How about rookie Jackson Dart, I
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was tough on that kid. Dear Jackson, you spend more
time in a tent than an RII salesman, yet somehow
come out tougher, sharper, and more polished. You're like a
developing polaroid. I can't see the full picture yet, but
I'm glad you're shaking things up. Okay, scatted, go for now, Colin.
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How about forty four year old Philip Rivers, recently unretired.
Dear Coach Rivers, I'm not sorry you talk trash. I'm
sorry the media did.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Sure you won't win the X Games, but you went
out there, grabbed your kids skateboard and landed the trick.
Bozo's like jamac doubted you, not me. Happy holidays, Colin.
How about my letter to Sam Darnold. Dear Sambo, I'd
like to apologize to absolutely nobody. You got the Hawks
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at eleven and three, poised to be a number one seed.
I was early, I was loud, I was right. Colin Coward,
your thirteenth man.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Happy holidays.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
How about this one to USC coach Lincoln Riley. I
just finished this one this morning. Dearest Lincoln, here's my
Lincoln letter. I said your Trojan tenure was drifting, momentum
gone like a film that ran out of budget. Then
you recruited the number one recruiting class. My apologies. You're
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greenlit for a trilogy, probably a spinoff. Stay streaming Colin
and finally the new Louisiana State football coach Lane Kiffin.
Dearest Lane, I warned that heading to LSU would be chaotic, combustible,
and short lived. You know what, I'm gonna hang onto
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this for a few more weeks. I'm not gonna send
this one out yet. I mean, he did crush it,
old mess, but the governor's on his.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Butt, Jahn. I don't know anyway. A couple of holiday letters.
I saw this, j Mack, Well, wait, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
I'm really proud of you for single handedly saving the
US Postal Service with all these letters and stamps.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I mean, well done, and getting in a dig at
me and calling me a bozo. I like it, man,
that's good stuff. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
So I saw this story, and you know, I like
the Mannings, met all of them, like all of them.
It says here Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas.
This is the headline, because he can still be the
quarterback one in the twenty twenty seven draft. And I'll
tell you why. I am really cynical of that. So
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he went to a high school that was a smaller school,
and some question the competition not his.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Fault a reality.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So I thought, well, let's just see him at Texas well.
The first two years he sat, he had Sark, great
offensive coach and Texas talent.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And then year three starts.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
With Texas talent and Sark and I can't unsee it
the first half of this year. Go back and look
at the UTEP game UTEP and that's my thing to
be a number one pick. The first time Caleb Williams
was thrust into a game, was not prepared for it.
At Oklahoma, he was brilliant. The first time. Trevor Lawrence
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started one of Natty as a freshman. Andrew luck may
have red shirted, but our first glimpse of him, Wow,
those guys as number one picks feel sort of generational.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Like John Elway.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Arch sat for two years, had Sark, had Texas and
they slowly crafted him, slowly developed him. That doesn't feel
like something that becomes the number one pick. Like Fernando
Mendoza was at Cal. He didn't set the world on fire,
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but Cal's got no you know, they've got like second
tier talent. The minute he got elite talent, not Ohio
State talent, for good talent around him. I mean He's
been unbelievable this year. So I think my take is
an arch manning generally speaking, Kobe at seventeen, eighteen years old,
had the greatest workout Jerry West, the late Jerry West,
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said he'd ever seen. Lebron at seventeen was called the
best high school basketball player ever. I think when you're
I think generational talent. Caleb Williams first snaps whoa Andrew
Look redshirt freshman year, Trevor Lawrence. It doesn't mean certain
players can't develop slowly, but I do think, you know
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what's the page Becker's the Yukon basketball player. I think
she got a scholarship offer in the sixth grade. I
think generally, and remember this an example is he had
such an advantage being a manning all the family members
most played in the NFL. That's an advantage. So I
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guess my take is he could be an NFL quarterback.
I like his athletic ability. I think he's got a
pretty good arm. When I number one pick, I think
Tiger Woods, Cooper Flagg, Lebron, I think just generational stuff.
Obviously there's a lot of misses, but I don't know,
I just don't I feel like next year, if Dante
Moore came out and Arch Manning came out, that would
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be an.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Easy decision for me. It would be Dante Moore.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And by the way, the Manning family may not want
the number one thing. I mean the number one pick
you often go to an awful team if you slide
a little bit, you know, often a huge advantage. But
the Serenas and Rory McElroy's and the traditional kind of
number one pick kind of I don't know. I just
think Eli Manning was underrated, so was Archie Peyton was
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fairly rated. At this point. There's just stuff I can't
quite unsee yet. Here's sark on Arch Manning coming back
for another year.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
He's a young man who's gotten considerably much better as
the season's gone on, and not only physically, but I
think mentally maturity wise. Of assuming that position, I would
think he's going to want another year of that growth
to put himself in position for hopefully a long career
in the NFL. And he's got some unfinished business for him.
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I think the competitor him is going to say, man,
I sure would like another crack at trying to do
those things.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So he's going to be twenty two in April. He's
not that young, and I guess he could be a
slow developer. I mean Joe Burrow, like junior year, You're like,
I'm not sure, and then all of a sudden he
popped and threw.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
With like sixty touchdowners. I think it outrageous at LSU.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
But the headline is the thing that caught my attention.
Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas. He could
still be quarterback one. I think what's going to happen.
Jaden Mayava going back to USC, Dante More could stay
at Oregon, Ty Simpson could stay at Alabama. Next year's
class could be could be pretty profound.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I do think this year's class got a lot of criticism,
but I think Jackson Dart, we have to be fair.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Jackson Dart is.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Absolutely I saw him as kind of a second round talent.
Jackson Dart's been good. Too many trips to the Blue Tent.
But you know what, Drake may spent some time in
the Blue tent his rookie year. Justin Herbert put his
head down, tried to run over linebackers in safety. So
did Baker Mayfield. You get popped about six seven times,
and all of a sudden you look at the blue
tent and it's like that place you don't want to go, right.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So it'll be a.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Different j Max this weekend. I think an interesting game.
Jacksonville's played a much lighter schedule than Denver. I do
think keep your eye on Jacksonville. I don't see a
lot of upsets.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Oh I do, Lito closer my friend, Oh you have one? Oh,
I mean, listen, We've touched on it a couple times
this week. I read it to you before the show.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
The Kansas City Chiefs injury report screams a team that's
just going to shut down a lot of dudes and
have them play maybe on Christmas Day at home against
the Broncos in like a Travis Kelce sendoff. Receive Rice's
concuss doesn't look like he's going to go. My fantasy
team's not happy. But you look around that team and
there's a lot of McDuffie may not play.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Now.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
I know Tennessee doesn't want to win, but there's still
a bunch of professional athletes who are young looking to
make an impression on the GM and keep their jobs.
Cam Ward's not gonna suddenly stop trying. I think the
Titans win that outright. This line has come down four
and a half to three. I think it's gonna keep
coming down if the injury report keeps getting bad for Casey.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
You know what, can I give you a sharp pick?
Everybody's talking Ravens. I like New England. Oh I think
three is too many points. I like New England Baltimore.
That is, if they lose, it's close.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
The other thing.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
I just submitted, by the way, Ravens Patriots will be
in headlines tomorrow. Just just laid the wager on one
of those teams. No tease, Just gonna put that out there.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Okay, any strong feeling Chargers at the Cowboys? Cowboys probably
how I see. I thought earlier in the week you
were Chargers. I you know, when you get humiliated or
you play really poorly in a big spot and the
owners ripping the defensive coordinator. I think Dallas is going
to have one of those kind of circle the wagons
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kind of like play as well as they can possibly play,
And it feels like the Chargers are just figuring out
ways to win ugly and that may bite them.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
At some point.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
They didn't look good, Collin. I mean, they somehow won,
but a lot of it had to do with the
Chiefs just stink. You know, the Chargers' offensive line is horrible.
I mean, look at Justin Herbert's passing number since he's
got the broken hands.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Not good.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Our number three. Todd mcshay's top spot, Mendoza Dart. What
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Speaker 1 (00:26):
Here we go hour two and a Thursday. Ram Seahawks
in the Pacific Northwest. Sam Darnold last two seasons twenty
five up and six down. I gave you that little
jam earlier this week.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
If you go.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Take the Jets ten year out and you go to
Carolina where he sat for eleven weeks, first time he'd
ever sat, and he starts in like week eleven for
Carolina from that day until tonight, here's a higher win percentage.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Mahomes and Brady.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Yeah, I said it, Sammy d Sam Donald, the overall
culture with Mike McDonald, John Snyder, it's just they're a
fun watch. They're aggressive both sides of the ball. They
can be physical, they're fast. Here's the coach on his club.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
My message to our team was, hey, we'rening. We are
really fortunate and blessed and should feel really confident in
the work that we've done up to this point to
put ourselves in this position where we have a lot
of great players that are ready to go. We trust
each other. I feel like we're a connected team. I
feel like we're a tough team, and.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
So let's go.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
Let's go do it. You know, let's go, let's go
rip it. Yep.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
With that, Greg Cosell, forty six years working at NFL Films,
we all get smarter. So let's pivot quickly to the Rams.
Let's start with the Rams, and they're talented. When you
watch the offense with somebody with four and a half
decades of experience of watching all times of offense from
the ugly tush push to Mike Martz, give me what
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when you watch the Rams? Is there a prototype? Have
you seen it before? What do you make of the offense?
Speaker 6 (02:18):
I think when you watch the Rams? What really struck me?
And I don't recall seeing something as dramatic as this
colin From weeks one through six this season, they did
not play one snap with three tight ends on the field.
Beginning Week seven until now, forty one percent of their
offensive snaps have had three tight ends on the field. Now,
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one game where they didn't play a lot of it
was against Seattle Week eleven. But with Devonte Adams out,
I would imagine they will play with three tight ends
a very good percentage of the time. And I'm not
going to sit here and recite numbers, but just believe me.
They have been so good out of three tight end personnel,
not just running the ball as one might expect, but
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passing the ball the last two games, the last two
games Dallas and Detroit with their opponents, just out of
three tight ends, they've gained close to seven hundred yards.
Think about that for a minute. They've gained close to
seven hundred yards in the last two games and scored
eight touchdowns just out of three tight ends. And what
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they normally get is a base defense, although with Seattle
they pretty much played big nickel on every snap, because
one could make the argument that Nicki Minwari is the
most important player on the Seahawks defense because of what
he can do, and again he predominantly alignes at the
second level, but he's a really, really good player in
Seattle's defense. They're a fun watch. By the way.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Let's touch on Seattle's offense. What's wrong with the Seahawks
run game.
Speaker 6 (03:51):
Yeah, they have really struggled to run the ball. I
think their old line has had a hard time. I
think it's a bad mix. I think it's an old
line that hasn't played well and it's a back in
Kenneth Walker, who to me, the way I always thought
about him, even watching him in college, is he's more
jazz musician than classical pianists. In other words, he's looking
to improvise. He's not someone who hits it up and
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gets the hard yards where three yards or four yards
becomes really important in an offense as opposed to looking
for that note, that outside note, and then he deans
one yard or loses two yards. So it's a bad
marriage of an old line not playing particularly well, and
I think Walker is a guy that just needs to
hit it up in there. And I think that's one
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reason they play sharbon A as much as they do,
because Charboney obviously does not have a lot of juice,
but at least he gets downhill.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
I want to go Bears Packers. You know Chicago's run game.
They went and got Dolman Toney and Jonah Jackson and
I I said this last hour, it's not that they
run it well, it's that there are often holes that
are substantial that jump off the television where you I mean,
like not Crevice's there's gap. Yeah, when you watch the film.
Does the Bears run game get enough credit?
Speaker 6 (05:06):
No? Because we talk about Caleb every week, and that's
fine because he makes special plays. But they're the second
best running team in the National Football League. Only two
teams average over one hundred and fifty yards rushing, the
Bills and the Bears. And what I love with Ben Johnson,
and I don't think he gets enough credit for it either,
is his use of tight ends in the run game
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and his use of pre snap movement in the run game.
It almost reminds me, and you'll know exactly who I'm
talking about. Maybe some listening won't, but it almost reminds
me going back a long time to Joe Gibbs with
the Washington Redskins with the use of motion in the
run game. Because what it does is it changes run support,
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so it changes angles, it changes leverage, and it benefits
you mightily in the run game. And you can just
go back to that game a few weeks ago against
the Eagles when they did that exceptionally well, but their
use of tight ends in the run game as good
as any team in the league.
Speaker 3 (06:02):
Michael Parsons out for the year.
Speaker 6 (06:04):
How punitive?
Speaker 1 (06:06):
How punitive is that for the Packers defense going forward?
Speaker 6 (06:08):
Yeah, that's going to be interesting this week. I guess
that's a Saturday night game, and that's going to be
interesting to see how that plays out. Because what Jeff
Hapley and I think he's done an unbelievable job. He's
predominantly a four man D line rush guy, and what
he does really well is changed the picture on the
back end pre snap to post snap. So the question
is that we don't know the answer till we see it.
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Colin is does he rush five? You know a few
more times than that he might normally because he doesn't
have that one guy in Parsons who can win from
multiple locations in the defensive front. Now it's a more
traditional front. Now he has to rely on guys like
Lucas van ness Eg Nabari Gary, guys like the Gary's
a good player, by the way, but guys like that
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to be able to win one on one matchups, I
think they'll stunt a lot They've always been a high
percentage stunting team to try to create confusion and protection.
But the question, and we won't know the answer, is
will he rush five a higher percentage of the time?
Speaker 3 (07:06):
All right, a team right.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Now that you know listen, I think there's a big
chunk of America, myself included, that would like to see
the Buffalo Bills finally win a Super Bowl. There's so
many things about the people, the culture, Josh Allen. They
don't have much of a vertical threat. They're very tight
end centric. Maybe Ed Oliver coming back helps the defense.
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I always feel like, and I felt this at various
times for the last six or seven years, they just
rely way too much on Josh Allen. But then I
think to myself, well, if you have it, use it.
I mean, I guess when you watch their offense, do
you feel like it sometimes they just wait for Josh
to save them.
Speaker 6 (07:50):
I don't think that's true. And I think that, you know,
the numbers bear that out. And because every time I
watch them play, they get to the second half of games,
and we know they've been tra at times at halftime
this year. You know, they come out in the third
quarter almost every week and they run the ball. That's
how they stabilize their offense. You might be surprised to
know that the running back that has the most second
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half rushes in the NFL is James Cook. This is
not a team that just relies on Josh Allen. It's
just that he makes special plays and is capable of it.
So it appears that way, and he certainly has games
where he like a six touchdown game, But it's not
just Josh Allen and nothing else. On offense. They've got
probably a top three offensive line in the league. They
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run the ball exceptionally well. As I said, Cook has
the most second half carries of any back in the league.
And you'll look at last week's game, I thought their
defensive coaching staff did an outstanding job because they changed
up some things in the second half and they caused
Drake May to be a little hesitant and to not
see things as clearly as he did in the first half,
and he has for most of the season. So yes,
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we focus on Josh and deservedly so. I mean, you
and I probably both agree we may have never seen
a quarterback that's more physically gifted than Josh Allen, but
it's not just him, the way they play.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
There's a team in the league that's actually very good,
but all of us, myself included, are just not going
to embrace them until I see it, and that's Jacksonville.
And they go to Denver. Now, now Denver's played a
tough schedule, Jacksonville's played a little softer schedule years. You know,
I loved Trevor Lawrence out of college, and after about
three or four years, I'm like, he turns it over
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too much, he gets lured into bad picks. Well, this
team can run, they can stop the run. You tell
me this offense for Jacksonville, is it for real?
Speaker 6 (09:42):
Yeah? Well, it's funny because the last five weeks and
they've won five in a row. Trevor Lawrence has the
most touchdown passes of any quarterback in the last five weeks.
And I would say because I watch them every week,
because I like you. Trevor Lawrence is a guy that
always fascinated me, even going back to Clemson. You can
see a difference in the way he's been playing the
last five weeks, and I'm sure it's a comfort level
in Liam Cohen's offense. One of the things you look
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for with a quarterback. Is he decisive with his reads
and his throws. Because quarterbacks that are decisive, that means
in their mind they're seeing it with clarity. Does that
mean every throw is great, No, But in their mind
they're seeing it with clarity because the ball's coming out
within timing and structure and rhythm. And he has played
like that the last five weeks and one of the
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things that really stands out on film is how well
he's throwing the ball outside the numbers, and those are
hard throws in this league. So again, I'm not going
to sit here and say he's going to have a
great game against Denver. That's a really difficult defense. It's
on the road. Denver leads the NFL in third down defense,
they lead the NFL in quarterback sacks. It's a very
hard defense to play against. So hey, he could throw
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two or three picks and then people might say, oh,
there you go, he's still not very good. But just
watching him these last four or five weeks, there is
a clear comfort level in the way in which he
is playing.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Listen, I've said it before, loudly and proudly. I like
my quarterbacks like my furniture, big and hard, to move.
I like big quarterbacks have big strong guys. I watched
Russell Wilson age overnight. Kyler Murray is age quickly. Tua
maybe more than the previous two. I mean, when you
watch Tua, when I watch him Greg, this kid doesn't
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want to get hit. I mean, I just I watch
a very apprehensive quarterback.
Speaker 6 (11:27):
Tua is part to me of a larger discussion that
has gotten a lot of conversation this week about pure
progression versus reading defense, you know, and the old school.
In fact, Kirk Cousins spoke about this so eloquently this week.
Tua is very much sort of a pre snap quarterback.
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He's got to hit his back foot, he's got to
deliver the ball with timing, with rhythm, and yeah, you
want your quarterbacks to do that, but that can't happen
on every play. And what's happened is defenses have gotten
a much better fee for the kinds of throws that
he can make, and he has limitations in the kinds
of throws that he can make. So once you take
those throw away or minimize his ability to make those throws,
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there's not much more to do. There's not much more
in his toolbox, So I think that's what's happened, and
his arm strength quite frankly, I don't know if it's
gotten worse, but it's probably below NFL average standards. Now. Now,
do you need a gun to be a good quarterback
in the league, No, but there is a certain level
where you have to be able to make throws that
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are not always within timing and structure, and he's probably
below that level right now.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
So it's interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Kyle Shanahan ripped off is the wrong term, but a
lot of people have picked up elements of his offense,
and so sure they're not fooling people with that offense
like they were six years ago or five years ago,
and yet it just keeps working. Now, I probably need
to give brock Purty more love, but they've done it
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without Ayyuk Deebo's gone. Offensive line left tackles old, but
great Kittle hasn't lost a step, it feels like.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
But I watched this offense and.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
I'm like, Kyle's been running this offense forever. Half the
league's taken it and it's still unbelievably effective. Has he
tweaked it over time?
Speaker 6 (13:18):
Yes? Well, what you see a lot of are changes
in the use of pre snap movement and formations, because
don't forget, there's not a thousand concepts in the past
game for instance, So it's how do you get to them?
What is your presentation to the defense? How do you
get the defense to react so you can gain leverage
with your routes, so you can win with your routes
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versus own coverage, so you can create space. The motion element,
the pre snap movement element, is so critical to what
they do. They've added a number of elements to that
this year that again show the defense a totally different presentation.
But there's an example when you get right down to it,
they've added all those things, but it's still a very
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choreographed offense. It's you know, the term I would use
is there's an illusion of complexity to their offense in
what they do, which makes it difficult for the defense.
But it's probably I would assume this. I'm not in
the meetings obviously, but I would assume in the way
it's taught, it's probably relatively simple, but there's a complexity
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illusion that's presented to the defense.
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Okay, I want to let's end talking Eagles and Jalen
Hurts this offense, yes, and I noted this earlier this week.
Feels like it's been broken since Week one. Stages of
being broken. Is there anything you've seen that's encouraging with
Jalen Hurts on the offense.
Speaker 6 (14:43):
Well, I certainly can't tell you why they do things
that they do. All I can tell you is the
last two weeks, including the loss by the way to
the Chargers, they've expanded their past game concepts and it's
been good to see. They've started to do more things
which really helped Jalen Hurts, which really helped to define
region throws for him. And they've done that the last
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two weeks. Like I said, I can't tell you why
they didn't do it weeks one through twelve. I don't
know the answer to that. I'm not smart enough for that, Colin,
but I do know what I see on film, and
they've definitely expanded it. Also, what they started to do
a little bit more, and this was clearly part of
what they did the last number of years was more
quarterback design runs and that puts a lot of pressure
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on the defense. But I think you know, he threw
a touchdown late in the game last week. Obviously he
was against the Raiders. We know they're not very good.
That doesn't mean a lot to me. It's the execution.
So let's go to that play because I think it
speaks a lot to Jalen Hurts. And you know he
can make throws. He's a Super Bowl champion quarterback, you know,
so he can make throws. This was the touchdown JJ
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Brown later in the game. But I really liked this
play for a number of reasons. Number one, you're going
to see Hurts in the gun. Now he has Shipley
next to him here, not Barkley, although Barkley's on the
field as well. Now notice Shipley will shift outside in
what we call a plus split. He's far outside the
numbers to the wide side of the field. So now
you have an empty set. And what you have here
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is something you don't see very often, which is trips
into the boundary, trips into the short side of the field,
and Barkley is on that side of the field. So
it's what we call a pony package. So now what
you're going to get here as you look to the
top of the screen, you're going to get Shipley running
a slant route and AJ Brown is inside of him.
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He's going to run a seam route. That's the two
man route combination. Look where that post safety is. He's
cheated to the trip side of the field, and that's important.
So what you have to make sure when you're Jalen
Hurts when you take the snap is he doesn't rotate
over to play that seam route by Brown. That's critical.
If he rotates over, you can't throw it. So now
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the ball's going to get snapped and he's going to
stay outside. So now he is outside the hashmark to
the trip side. You have the slant route by Shipley.
Once he disappears. Okay, here's the critical thing. Once Shipley disappears,
now the throat is to the seam. But you have
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to beat the outside corner whose job it is to
overlap that route. So what does Hurtz do really well
here it's the subtlety of the position. He bends Brown
in a little bit further. Instead of throwing the straight seam,
he bends him in just a little bit further to
make sure that that corner cannot overlap that route. This
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is really this is high level quarterbacking here by Hurts,
and this is what you want to see. Like I said,
it's a detail, it's a nuance. It's a subtlety, but
you know that's what playing the quarterback position is. And
when I saw this on tape, I said, that's just
a really good play. So I'm really anxious to see
where their offense goes now, Colin, as it continues down
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the last three games, and obviously they're going to win
the division, so they'll be in the playoffs.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
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always on a Thursday, Greg, thanks, Colin, appreciate it. I'm
gonna have I'm writing letters. You know, I'm a old
school I like to write letters. I'm gonna have some
apology letters I'm gonna send the coaches and players in
college and pro football by the end of the hour.
(18:21):
You know, I like to get personal, and you know,
I admit it. I took out the pen and the
notepad this week. That'll be coming up in about twenty
five minutes.
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Speaker 1 (19:15):
Great to have you in Seahawks hosting the Rams tonight
Seattle twenty one and ten since they moved on from
Pete Carroll and the Raiders have their own problems, but
Seattle's on a roll three straight A drafts from John Snyder.
So you're gonna get a look at fifteen players total
tonight that are you know, under twenty six years old,
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twenty seven years old, that are really special players. Go
back to that John Snyder draft when he got JSN
and Witherspoon, the receiver star from Ohio State in the
corner from Illinois, both home runs. He has just been
on a heater drafting for the last three years. Here's
Jmack with the news.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
Turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (19:58):
This is the Herd News.
Speaker 8 (20:01):
And let's go to Seattle for that game. Weather reports
are not looking good. It could get inclement there, but
don't worry. McVeigh is dealing with the weather and guess what, Colin,
he's also dealing with a new record, Colin Unbelievably. If
McVeigh wins tonight, he has ninety nine career wins, he
has a chance to hit one hundred. He would be
the third coach in NFL history to win one hundred
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games before turning forty years old.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
The other two John Madden.
Speaker 8 (20:29):
No, these guys are Yeah, Curly Lambeau love him.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
George Hallis, Oh yeah, you were probably.
Speaker 8 (20:36):
What a college guy hanging out focusing.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
On Hallis and old Curly could bring it.
Speaker 8 (20:41):
Yeah, So McVeigh in a really impressive group if he's
able to pull off the dub tonight. You know mcvay's
got a lot going on. He just had a new baby.
You know, his wife gave birth, so you know he's
a father, a lot going on. Holiday season number one.
See this game is crazy tonight. Hope you don't have
any holiday parties to go to and gogo, you gotta
lock in there's like a one drink minimum tonight for you.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Right, Well, that doesn't mean I can't open up a
second small bottle of champagne to celebrate the greatness that
is Fox Sports in the NFL football season.
Speaker 8 (21:15):
And listen, I'm not gonna lie Rams getting the number
one seed that weans multiple playoff games out here at
so far.
Speaker 3 (21:20):
You know that's not bad.
Speaker 8 (21:23):
Well, indoors, give me so far over twenty degrees outside
in Chicago or Green Bay or Philly. Sorry, I know
some people love that. Give me the warm weather dome.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
I think I could argue bad weather favors the Rams
because they have a more consistent, high end run game.
And if you if if both teams, if it's windy,
Randon sideways up in Seattle, I take the Rams run game.
Speaker 6 (21:48):
Interesting.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Yeah, I don't want to be I don't want to
be sitting Colin Coward. I don't really have a side here.
I'm rooting Rams a little bit, but you know, just
for the Niners scenario, I'm kind of rooting Seahawks.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
So whatever, I just hope it's a great game. I
think it will be. Yeah, all right, Next up.
Speaker 8 (22:02):
Joe Burrow, Colin Boy Interestingly, he keeps saying stuff into microphones. Yeah,
it's NFL superstars don't normally say yeah.
Speaker 3 (22:11):
You know the media is it feels like there's chum
in the water.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
And they were asking him yesterday about what his future
looks like with the Bengals.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
This is not great. Take a listen.
Speaker 6 (22:20):
Is there any world in your mind when you're not
the quarterback of the Bengals next year? I could, I couldn't.
Speaker 5 (22:26):
I can't see that now.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
A lot of crazy things happen every year. Michael Parsons
got traded.
Speaker 8 (22:35):
Right before the right before the season.
Speaker 6 (22:37):
I think this year.
Speaker 3 (22:40):
That is something I haven't seen in a long time
in the NFL.
Speaker 6 (22:45):
So crazy things gonna happen. I know.
Speaker 8 (22:51):
We have a Bengals fan on staff who just hears
that and is just burying his.
Speaker 3 (22:55):
Head in his hands.
Speaker 1 (22:56):
Bro.
Speaker 8 (22:56):
That is basically like, somebody come get me, is it not?
Is Joe Burrow not saying I'm open.
Speaker 3 (23:01):
To leaving this franchise? It's terrible.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah, I mean I feel actual little sadness for Joe
because I think he's never had an offensive line better
than twenty third. The weird thing, I always have sympathy
for pro athletes who their first team out of college.
They work all these years to be elite and they
end up going to a terrible franchise with bad ownership
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and a small front office. I mean, he's just I mean,
how many more times can he get beat up and
have to go into rehab? He's you know, the good
thing is they got him. They got him good receivers,
but not much else.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Yeah, so here's a fun portion of the program.
Speaker 8 (23:40):
Burrow said next year he'll be in Cincinnati after that TBD. Right,
So I've got four teams. I've been spitballing working around
some stuff. Here are you ready? Four teams for Joe Burrow.
Let's start with the Philadelphia Eagles. Colin Obviously, Jalen Hurts
is there for this year and next year. But Howie
Rosevean has taken some big swings, some surprising moves.
Speaker 3 (23:59):
They've moved off, they brought in guys.
Speaker 8 (24:01):
I wouldn't rule out if Burrow's on the market Philadelphia
making a move.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Your thoughts, Oh, it's.
Speaker 1 (24:07):
The kind of thing Howie Roseman would do. Yeah, okay,
So yeah.
Speaker 8 (24:10):
There's another team that has taken some big swings. They
happen to play out here at SOFI and that's McVeigh
and the Rams less sneed.
Speaker 3 (24:16):
They are always working.
Speaker 8 (24:18):
They got DeVante Adams, they went and got Matthew.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Stafford for golf. Stafford's got a year or two left.
Speaker 8 (24:24):
You don't think there's a world where they make a
move and go after Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Well, no, no, no, I do think there's a world
that would happen. And they have such a stacked roster
they could give Cincinnati a number one pick and like
a Pro Bowl level defensive lineman. I mean they have
that kind of depth. Yeah, I mean I can see
the Rams doing that. I can see McVeigh saying I
don't want a twenty two year old quarterback, I want
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my Stafford.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
Yeah yeah, So two more.
Speaker 8 (24:51):
This one obviously is self interest, but I can see
the New York Jets being a decent fit for Burrow.
I know they have a terrible owner of that. Joe
feels like a New York kind of guy. They get
into fashion and a chance to be the franchise savior
in New York.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
No, from the Bengals ownership to the Jets.
Speaker 8 (25:08):
Out of the frying pan, end of the potcatcha the
final one Colin this one's interesting. His college buddy Justin
Jefferson plays in Minnesota. Georgie McCarthy is going to get
another year, right, But after that, Kevin O'Connell, if they
don't make the playoffs next year, hey Kevin, you got
to do something big.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
They make a move and go get Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1 (25:26):
Oh I could see that because the Bengals wouldn't have
to pay maybe the rest of Burrow's contract. I don't
have the numbers in the years in front of me,
but you know, anytime they can save a nickel, they will,
So I could see that happening.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Yeah, you know there's gonna be a we joke about markets.
That's a huge market for Burrow. Everybody and their mom
is doing whatever they can.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Well, he's had he's had a lot of injuries, so
you buy or beware. I'm not acquiring him if I
have to give up offensive lineman or if I have
a bad old line like the rams O line is good,
but he is. I have some sympathy for Joe. I
know he's made a lot of money, he's a pro athlete,
but you know, I feel bad for these guys that
get drafted by lousy franchises. And Cincinnati's cheap and you
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know they won't protect him.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
I mean, it's amazing.
Speaker 1 (26:13):
First thing Ben Johnson did with Kayleb Williams by an
elite center, buy two really good guards, first thing he did,
and then get him another receiver, Luther Burton, get him
a tight end. I mean, the first thing he did
is furnished Caleb Williams with assistance, protection, insurance, and health.
That's how you do it, all.
Speaker 3 (26:32):
Right, Final story, Colin.
Speaker 8 (26:33):
Speaking of the Bengals, they will be facing Quinn Viewers
and the Miami Dolphins. Tua has been benched for yours.
In his first media appearance since the decision, Tua discussed
his feelings on getting kicked to the curb.
Speaker 9 (26:48):
I'd say, I'm disappointed. I think it's normal, it's normal
human emotion. But you know, outside of that, I got
to do my part. My role here right now is
to help whoever the quarterback is going to be for
this team, to lead this team, help in whatever.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Way I can, uh, you know.
Speaker 9 (27:09):
To help the team win, win this game on Sunday.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
Yeah, it's time he had a run. It's time he
had that was impressive.
Speaker 8 (27:17):
By to listen, you get benched and you're facing the
media fifty microphones in your face. He sounded good, Colin,
I've got a crazy staff for you.
Speaker 3 (27:23):
I just noticed this.
Speaker 8 (27:25):
You want to guess how many rookie quarterbacks are starting
this weekend in the NFL?
Speaker 6 (27:29):
Six?
Speaker 3 (27:29):
Wow? How did you know that? I was like, I
didn't even know six guys were drafted. It was such
a bad glass.
Speaker 8 (27:35):
Here we go, yours, cam Ward, Tyler, Schuck, Jackson Dart,
Shador Sanders, and yes, Brady Cook is starting for the
Jets again. This is a sign that multiple teams get
the whole tanking memo right.
Speaker 3 (27:48):
Some of these guys should not be starting this week.
Let Brady Cook is what they're staying in New York.
Speaker 1 (27:53):
They're not saying J Mack with a news Well that's
the news and thanks for stopping by her line. This
should be noted. They're all a little better than we thought.
Tyler Shucks, a little better than we thought, Jackson, d Art, Schador, Sanders.
Everybody said, oh, it's a bad quarterback class. I even
watched the Cook kid for the Jets last week. I'm like,
I watched them in college Missouri. I'm like, he's a
pretty good player.
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Speaker 1 (28:35):
You know, j Mack, I'm a bit of a traditionalist,
and this time of the year, I don't know, I
get the warm and fuzzies here I'm gonna I took
out a pencil, number two pencil and uh, some note cards,
and I wanted to set her. You know, people I've
wronged in college and pro football over the last couple
of months. You know, I'm I'm big enough man to
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acknowledge I've hurt some feelings. So I thought i'd i'd
write some letters. Okay, okay, let's start. I mean, he's
led the Steelers to the number three red zone offense.
Let's start with Aaron Rodgers.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Dear.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
Aaron, I said this offense was a rotary phone in
a smartphone world, dated, clunky and unnecessary, But like fries
in a sandwich, Pittsburgh.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
Didn't know they needed you. Now they can't live without
you buy Awuasca. Colin.
Speaker 1 (29:31):
You know I was tough on Dak Prescott and the
Cowboys this year, so I grabbed that number two pencil.
Dear Dak, I once said you were not the guy
you would back up the Brinks truck for. Consider this
my Texas size surrender. You can lead a team and
a league. If you were on my team, I'd back
up the Brinks truck, the Ben and Jerry's truck, the
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Budweiser truck. Your friend Colin leads the NFL in passing yards.
You know what, I'm going to send one to his
billionaire friend, Jerry Jones.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Happy Yee Holidays.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Jerry, I said, you run the Cowboys like an impulse
buy at Bucky's that you like headlines over hardware and
splash over substance. This year's trade big splash, a cannon
ball off the yacht. Still you swung. So I'm holding
up a ten, Colin. How about rookie Jackson Dart, I
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was tough on that kid. Dear Jackson, you spend more
time in a tent than an RII salesman, yet somehow
come out tougher, sharper, and more polished. You're like a
developing polaroid. I can't see the full picture yet, but
I'm glad you're shaking things up. Okay, scatted, go for now, Colin.
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How about forty four year old Philip Rivers, recently unretired.
Dear Coach Rivers, I'm not sorry you talk trash. I'm
sorry the media did.
Speaker 6 (31:09):
Now.
Speaker 1 (31:09):
Sure you won't win the X Games, but you went
out there, grabbed your kids skateboard and landed the trick.
Bozo's like jamac doubted you, not me. Happy holidays, Colin.
How about my letter to Sam Darnold. Dear Sambo, I'd
like to apologize to absolutely nobody. You got the Hawks
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at eleven and three, poised to be a number one seed.
I was early, I was loud, I was right. Colin Coward,
your thirteenth man.
Speaker 3 (31:43):
Happy holidays.
Speaker 1 (31:46):
How about this one to USC coach Lincoln Riley. I
just finished this one this morning. Dearest Lincoln, here's my
Lincoln letter. I said your Trojan tenure was drifting, momentum
gone like a film that ran out of budget. Then
you recruited the number one recruiting class. My apologies. You're
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greenlit for a trilogy, probably a spinoff. Stay streaming Colin
and finally the new Louisiana State football coach Lane Kiffin.
Dearest Lane, I warned that heading to LSU would be chaotic, combustible,
and short lived. You know what, I'm gonna hang onto
(32:33):
this for a few more weeks. I'm not gonna send
this one out yet. I mean, he did crush it,
old mess, but the governor's on his.
Speaker 3 (32:42):
Butt, Jahn. I don't know anyway. A couple of holiday letters.
I saw this, j Mack, Well, wait, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 8 (32:52):
I'm really proud of you for single handedly saving the
US Postal Service with all these letters and stamps.
Speaker 3 (32:58):
I mean, well done, and getting in a dig at
me and calling me a bozo. I like it, man,
that's good stuff. That was fun.
Speaker 1 (33:05):
So I saw this story, and you know, I like
the Mannings, met all of them, like all of them.
It says here Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas.
This is the headline, because he can still be the
quarterback one in the twenty twenty seven draft. And I'll
tell you why. I am really cynical of that. So
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he went to a high school that was a smaller school,
and some question the competition not his.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
Fault a reality.
Speaker 1 (33:33):
So I thought, well, let's just see him at Texas well.
The first two years he sat, he had Sark, great
offensive coach and Texas talent.
Speaker 3 (33:42):
And then year three starts.
Speaker 1 (33:46):
With Texas talent and Sark and I can't unsee it
the first half of this year. Go back and look
at the UTEP game UTEP and that's my thing to
be a number one pick. The first time Caleb Williams
was thrust into a game, was not prepared for it.
At Oklahoma, he was brilliant. The first time. Trevor Lawrence
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started one of Natty as a freshman. Andrew luck may
have red shirted, but our first glimpse of him, Wow,
those guys as number one picks feel sort of generational.
Speaker 3 (34:22):
Like John Elway.
Speaker 1 (34:25):
Arch sat for two years, had Sark, had Texas and
they slowly crafted him, slowly developed him. That doesn't feel
like something that becomes the number one pick. Like Fernando
Mendoza was at Cal. He didn't set the world on fire,
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but Cal's got no you know, they've got like second
tier talent. The minute he got elite talent, not Ohio
State talent, for good talent around him. I mean He's
been unbelievable this year. So I think my take is
an arch manning generally speaking, Kobe at seventeen, eighteen years old,
had the greatest workout Jerry West, the late Jerry West,
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said he'd ever seen. Lebron at seventeen was called the
best high school basketball player ever. I think when you're
I think generational talent. Caleb Williams first snaps whoa Andrew
Look redshirt freshman year, Trevor Lawrence. It doesn't mean certain
players can't develop slowly, but I do think, you know
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what's the page Becker's the Yukon basketball player. I think
she got a scholarship offer in the sixth grade. I
think generally, and remember this an example is he had
such an advantage being a manning all the family members
most played in the NFL. That's an advantage. So I
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guess my take is he could be an NFL quarterback.
I like his athletic ability. I think he's got a
pretty good arm. When I number one pick, I think
Tiger Woods, Cooper Flagg, Lebron, I think just generational stuff.
Obviously there's a lot of misses, but I don't know,
I just don't I feel like next year, if Dante
Moore came out and Arch Manning came out, that would
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be an.
Speaker 3 (36:16):
Easy decision for me. It would be Dante Moore.
Speaker 1 (36:18):
And by the way, the Manning family may not want
the number one thing. I mean the number one pick
you often go to an awful team if you slide
a little bit, you know, often a huge advantage. But
the Serenas and Rory McElroy's and the traditional kind of
number one pick kind of I don't know. I just
think Eli Manning was underrated, so was Archie Peyton was
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fairly rated. At this point. There's just stuff I can't
quite unsee yet. Here's sark on Arch Manning coming back
for another year.
Speaker 5 (36:53):
He's a young man who's gotten considerably much better as
the season's gone on, and not only physically, but I
think mentally maturity wise. Of assuming that position, I would
think he's going to want another year of that growth
to put himself in position for hopefully a long career
in the NFL. And he's got some unfinished business for him.
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I think the competitor him is going to say, man,
I sure would like another crack at trying to do
those things.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
So he's going to be twenty two in April. He's
not that young, and I guess he could be a
slow developer. I mean Joe Burrow, like junior year, You're like,
I'm not sure, and then all of a sudden he
popped and threw.
Speaker 3 (37:29):
With like sixty touchdowners. I think it outrageous at LSU.
Speaker 1 (37:33):
But the headline is the thing that caught my attention.
Arch Manning is wise for staying at Texas. He could
still be quarterback one. I think what's going to happen.
Jaden Mayava going back to USC, Dante More could stay
at Oregon, Ty Simpson could stay at Alabama. Next year's
class could be could be pretty profound.
Speaker 3 (37:50):
We'll see.
Speaker 1 (37:51):
I do think this year's class got a lot of criticism,
but I think Jackson Dart, we have to be fair.
Speaker 3 (37:57):
Jackson Dart is.
Speaker 1 (37:58):
Absolutely I saw him as kind of a second round talent.
Jackson Dart's been good. Too many trips to the Blue Tent.
But you know what, Drake may spent some time in
the Blue tent his rookie year. Justin Herbert put his
head down, tried to run over linebackers in safety. So
did Baker Mayfield. You get popped about six seven times,
and all of a sudden you look at the blue
tent and it's like that place you don't want to go, right.
Speaker 3 (38:21):
So it'll be a.
Speaker 1 (38:22):
Different j Max this weekend. I think an interesting game.
Jacksonville's played a much lighter schedule than Denver. I do
think keep your eye on Jacksonville. I don't see a
lot of upsets.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Oh I do, Lito closer my friend, Oh you have one? Oh,
I mean, listen, We've touched on it a couple times
this week. I read it to you before the show.
Speaker 8 (38:44):
The Kansas City Chiefs injury report screams a team that's
just going to shut down a lot of dudes and
have them play maybe on Christmas Day at home against
the Broncos in like a Travis Kelce sendoff. Receive Rice's
concuss doesn't look like he's going to go. My fantasy
team's not happy. But you look around that team and
there's a lot of McDuffie may not play.
Speaker 1 (39:05):
Now.
Speaker 8 (39:05):
I know Tennessee doesn't want to win, but there's still
a bunch of professional athletes who are young looking to
make an impression on the GM and keep their jobs.
Cam Ward's not gonna suddenly stop trying. I think the
Titans win that outright. This line has come down four
and a half to three. I think it's gonna keep
coming down if the injury report keeps getting bad for Casey.
Speaker 1 (39:23):
You know what, can I give you a sharp pick?
Everybody's talking Ravens. I like New England. Oh I think
three is too many points. I like New England Baltimore.
That is, if they lose, it's close.
Speaker 6 (39:35):
The other thing.
Speaker 8 (39:39):
I just submitted, by the way, Ravens Patriots will be
in headlines tomorrow. Just just laid the wager on one
of those teams. No tease, Just gonna put that out there.
Speaker 1 (39:46):
Okay, any strong feeling Chargers at the Cowboys? Cowboys probably
how I see. I thought earlier in the week you
were Chargers. I you know, when you get humiliated or
you play really poorly in a big spot and the
owners ripping the defensive coordinator. I think Dallas is going
to have one of those kind of circle the wagons
(40:07):
kind of like play as well as they can possibly play,
And it feels like the Chargers are just figuring out
ways to win ugly and that may bite them.
Speaker 3 (40:15):
At some point.
Speaker 8 (40:16):
They didn't look good, Collin. I mean, they somehow won,
but a lot of it had to do with the
Chiefs just stink. You know, the Chargers' offensive line is horrible.
I mean, look at Justin Herbert's passing number since he's
got the broken hands.
Speaker 3 (40:27):
Not good.
Speaker 1 (40:29):
Our number three. Todd mcshay's top spot, Mendoza Dart. What
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