December 23, 2025 • 41 mins
Colin unveils his Herd Hierarchy, and Nick Wright joins him to discuss the struggles of the Chiefs and why he’s on board with the Bills for this year. Justin Herbert is coming into his own, thanks to his relationship with his head coach. It’s hard to upgrade from John Harbaugh. Discussing the Week 17 slate and how Robert Saleh wants to be back in the head coaching chair.
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go, it's hour two, first hour, flew.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
By Live in Chicago. It's The Herd, Rock Purty seven
on seven passing drill last night. Those secondaries both very
mid as they say. All right, Nick writes a couple
of minutes away, I gotta tell you there's a couple
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of teams in this league and they played on Thursday,
rams Seahawks. You gotta be impressed with those teams. But
between the third best team in the league and the ten,
maybe a point and a half. Here we go in
our Herd.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hierarchy heard Hierarchy. Time go the top ten NFL teams
according to College Number.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Ten Buffalo Josh Allen's hurt. Did you see the offense
once he went for an next ray? They've been held
under two hundred passing yards in three of the last
four games. They can't stop the run. I am not
as high on Buffalo as everybody else is. People keep seeing,
well Mahomes does it make the playoffs? If you watch Jacksonville,
you watch Denver, they're pretty good. Seen the Texans defense,
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I don't know. I don't see this as a team
that can win three playoff games. They have no passing
attack down field. Buffalo at ten, number nine.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The Niners.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Opposing quarterbacks, including Philip Rivers have a one oh one
passer rating.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Against this defense. No Bosa.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I mean, the last night's pass rush wasn't bad, but
I think you can really beat this team in the
back end. And Christian McCaffrey twenty seven touches, they're zero
to four the game after he has twenty seven touches.
George Kittle's now hurt. Do you realize Kittle this year
is worth a touchdown to their offense? That is insane.
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A lot of that's is blocking. I have the Niners
at nine, number eight. I had no idea Woody Marx
was that valuable. Texans were atrocious against the Raiders. Woody
Marks didn't play. Now listen opposing quarterbacks this year. I
have a passer running of seventy four. I do think,
and they'd be ugly, but I think they could get
to the conference championship. I like the coach, I like
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the quarterback. If Woody Marx is healthy, they can run
the football. I got Houston at eight.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Number seven.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, Denver just didn't play well, and the defense since
the Week twelve buy has gotten worse. It's allowing twenty
six a game since the buy. And it's not the offense.
They had four hundred and forty five yards now. The
other thing, though, I will give them credit, teams that
played Denver are three and eleven the following week. That
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tells you they're a really physical team, and it also
tells you you should bet against the Jags this.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Week, number six, the Jags.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They were four and five in the red zone and
teams had struggled all year against the Broncos in the
red zone. Six game winning streak. Hard to run against them.
I like their story. I thought that game felt so
big for them. They were very intentional. They're receiving course
the real deal. Listen, when you're bad for years and
have top ten draft picks, you got dudes. And Jacksonville
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at six has dudes. Number five I like Philadelphia Lane Johnson,
Jalen Carter coming back.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
The band is back together.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
There's only two teams in the league, the Rams are
one Phillies the other that are top five in red
zone offense and red zone defense. That's Philadelphia. I may
not always love their coach, but I got the Eagles
at five number four, beating them in Philly. I'll put
them four now. They've played an easy schedule, but they're
eleven and two since Week three. They do not give
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the ball away and they take the ball away. That
is really good going into the playoffs. Their quarterback, Yeah
he's young, but he is dynamic, I think situationally. I
love their head coach. I know a lot of you
have misgivings about him. I don't care that they get
out played in the second quarter. I care they win games.
Bears at four number three, it's like New England. They've
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had one stinker in the last ten weeks, and they
dominated New They dominated the Buffalo Bills in the first
half of that game.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
They lost.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I like him seven to zero on the road. They're
doing it now without their left tackling left guard. So
and the weakest part of this team right now is
their run game because they're all beat up on the
offensive line. But the reason I took him over Baltimore
is they move the chains. Their receiving corps is way
way underrated. Go look at big play this season. I
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think you'll be shocked at where New England is number two.
Rams are one or two. They lost to Seattle. I'll
put him at two. Three straight games with five hundred
plus yards out gaining opponents this year by almost eleven
hundred yards. Nobody can stop Pooka the doing it without
Devonte Adams. Now two running backs, three tight ends. I
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like getting a pass rush.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Rams at two.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Number one, Well, Seattle turns the ball over too much,
but they've been very good against good teams. They could
have beaten the Rams twice, beat them one, Steelers, Jack, Texans, Colts.
It's not just Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I've said it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
If you turn the sound down when you watch the Seahawks,
they look like the best team in the league. They
can turn the ball over and still blow teams out.
They can get out played for three and a half
quarters and still beat excellent teams. I'll put the Seahawks
at number one.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Nick Wright for the first time in his career is
a Bills stand and he is joining us live. I
just there's so much about the Bills that worries me.
You've pivoted to Buffalo this year and it's a redeemable quality.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Why well, it's I mean, no, I just last year
and this year I thought going into the season Buffalo
was the second best team in the conference. Last year,
I was correct. This year obviously, both years to the Chiefs.
This year, the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Let me down. On that end.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
The Bills are who they've been, which is they have
one of the three best quarterbacks alive. I think he's
the second best quarterback alive and the best healthy quarterback.
Even though Stafford's having the great year and the supporting cast.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
It's a few years ago it.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Was wildly overrated and now it feels a touch underrated.
I know people wish Josh Allen had better receivers. I
get that, but I guess he just has to settle
for having the rushing champ, a good to very good
offensive line, and really good tight ends. That's enough in
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a wide open AFC. And I do think for Josh,
when the hurdle for him to make the Super Bowl
has or to get deep in the playoffs or make
the Super Bowl has been Patrick Mahomes four out of
five years and Joe Burrow the other year. The fact
that neither of those teams or quarterbacks are going to
be in the playoffs means this is wide open for him.
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So I just think I don't think Buffalo has the
best resume, but of every team in the AFC, their
resume is close enough that because they have the only
Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime that is going
to be in the playoff field, I think I'd roll
with them with the possible caveat of look out for
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my Jags. Colin oh Man, I told you a month ago,
what if Trevor went on the Sam Darnold arc. I
didn't know it was going to happen right now. I
didn't know what's gonna happen. Amen, Thanksgiving. He's been great.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Now I want to It's funny so years and years ago,
this may have been thirty years ago. I'd never been
a big car guy, but I loved Jaguars. I think
I saw a movie with a guy in a Jaguar.
I thought it was cool, But Jaguars had a reputation.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
They fell apart that you could not trust the Jaguar.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Get British, the Brits, and then I think somebody bought
them like Ford or somebody bought him. And now the Jags,
you know, they corrected those flaws. But I feel the
Car and the Jaguars franchise are similar where boy, they
look good, there's a lot of good man. They look good,
but I don't trust them on a long roadie, why
do you suddenly trust them?
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
I don't know that I can't fully trust them. But
what I will say is this, Liam Cohen just doesn't
have like the pr that some of the other young
coaches have.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
He's been excellent.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
He has been awesome, and as much as I love
and I do love Baker, Baker seems to miss him
in a way he didn't miss Dave Canalis, and so
Liam Cohen maybe because the duvault thing was goofy, because
on camera he doesn't really cut the same profile as
Ben Johnson or the Jamiico Ryans or some of the
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other young coaches everybody likes. He wasn't taking as seriously.
And then there's Trevor who here would be my argument
about what has changed with Trevor Lawrence. I do not
think his highlight throws this year are any different than
any of the last four years. I think since Trevor's
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second year in the league, if you cut up his
twenty best throws of the season, they would stack up
next to just about any of the.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
All Pro quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
What Trevor's problem had been was his twenty worst plays
of the season. Brutal looked like the worst plays you've
ever seen. It was just dropping the ball, red zone picks.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Terrible. And he's the.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Last month he has kept the highlight throws and cut
out the other stuff. They are this during this run, Colin,
they are beating teams by an average of eighteen point
eight points per victory. Yeah, that is the last year
they scored eighteen point eight points per game. It has
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been a transformation, and I listen, they are alive for
the one seed. They are huge favorites to win the division,
and they feel a little dangerous and they do have
a bit of a Nobody believes in us since the
whole media and your guys Sean Payton all made fun
of Jacksonville for no reason. That's a fine American town.
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Nothing wrong with Jacksonville. So I like the Jags. I
don't trust them as much as the Bills, but see
if Trevor can keep this heater going.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So you know, a couple of years ago, I said
a story that's not a big story, but it's something
as Andy Reid is aging and he's not going to
be around, So Mahomes is going to have to have
a second head coach and a second gronk, Travis Kelcey,
trustable outlet. So they like anything in life, it's just
I mean that the Patriots weren't great at drafting, but
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they got tied ends right for a few years and
then in the end they didn't have enough players. So
it's hard. Wide receivers hard. It's an emotional position. You
get some immaturity, blah blah blah. So is there any
part of you that looks at it And you may
not say it on the air, but you're thinking to yourself,
if Andy retired after next year and they're not quite great,
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next year, they retool, but they're not quite great. They
don't have the rams. Maybe the Seahawks roster. Is there
any party that worries that thet is gone?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And then it was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It was a Broadway hit, but the understudies filling in
aren't the same in Mahomes's, so ever quite able to
duplicate it.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
So here's the thing I worry is not the word
I would use. Okay, and I here I if you
are asking me, do I think it is likely they
ever duplicate the last seven years, because let's just be
clear on.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
What it was.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
That's as good of a seven year stretch as any
team has ever had in the history of football. Are
they going to do that twice? Are they going to
make seven straight conference championship games? Are they going to
make five out of six Super Bowls including three straight?
I think that the odds are no. I like the
Patriots best stretch ever twenty eleven to eighteen. They did
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on the back end instead of the front end, but
there is no they didn't do that more than once.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I do think if your.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Point is that we will look get the entire Mahomes
era and say the best six year run was the
one that just ended, I think that's likely. I don't
think they are likely to make five out of six
Super Bowls again and be the favorite every year, but
that is a very vary to me far bridge from
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they are done being a perennial.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Super Bowl favorite.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I think they will go into every season over the
next I believe five to seven years with the best
quarterback in the league, and that being your starting point
is the most important starting point. And so if you
were to ask me, do you know how many more
Super Bowls do I think Patrick Mahomes plays in? I
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would probably say four. If you're to ask me how
many more super Bowls as Patrick Mahomes win, I would
probably say two or three. Now, again, that would in
any era of NFL football, that career I just described
would be incomprehensible. Because Tom Brady went to ten and
won seven. That seems like odds, almost disappointing.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
But he's already.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Second most all time in Super Bowl appearances and tied
for third all time in Super Bowl or fourth all
time burd and Me in super Bowl wins.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
So I think they are.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Going to get back to being a dominant juggernaut. But
making five out of six Super Bowls literally no one
had done it before, So I don't know that I
can say the Chiefs are going to do it again.
I will say this quickly on this I think you
for all the people poking at Mahomes and I saw
you say Josh Allen's been way better for two years,
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which again I mean, I don't know. They play each
other in the playoffs, one guy who was out plays them,
but set it aside. I think we saw on Sunday
how much the offensive load Patrick is carrying because he
goes out and they instantly become the worst offense in football.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
So they do need to read tools.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Some things offensively, most notably the running back room, and
I think they'll do that next season.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So I'm always fascinated by unicorns, people that do things.
And you know, it's like unbelievable that Jokic is the
maybe the best center ever. Now he doesn't have Kareem skyhook,
but passing threes low post screening, you're like, sure, I've
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never seen. And he goes against type like he's not twitchy,
he couldn't jump over a folded newspaper, and you're like, yeah,
you can't guard him.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
You literally can't.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Say. Draymond Green's like, yeah, that's the one guy I
can't do anything with. So here's Kayleb Williams. It's fascinating
when he paints his fingernails. He's awful on script, he
jumps into the crowd to see his mom. Ah.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I talked to all these gms.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
They're like, he's not very accurate, he's kind of moody.
I'm not sure if he's the lead. And now you're
watching the Dysfunctional Bears and he's gonna win this incredible division,
you know before the season where he's at the best division,
and it's fascinating. I don't worry about the completion percentage,
but it is rare that you'd be like because Cam
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was in the fifty nine to sixty. But I think
Caleb's I think his ceiling's more consistent than Cam because
Cam's personality was kind of distracted.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Are we you? Is it possible that we are looking?
I said this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Is he a shorter Josh Allen's there's nothing else like him.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
On the that even looks like him? What do you
make of his personality?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
So the Jucks is so all of it, So listen,
the Josh Allen comp I struggle with only because Josh.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
So much of Josh's.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Greatness is just brute force, just how big and strong
and so like the so I that comp I can't
wrap my mind around.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
But so let me just go through all of it.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Fact of the matter is, and people were of, you know,
kind of dancing around it.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
There was a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Of without saying it, people are like, ah, I think
the guy's too effeminate. That they didn't like that he cried,
They didn't like that he.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
Painted his nails, and they didn't like that.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
He was fine with it like that he was He
knew people were gonna have that criticism and he didn't care.
I thought that critique from the beginning was nonsense. People
were like, ah, well, locker rooms follow him, and the
answer is if he's good, absolutely, like nobody know. As
long as he's good, no one will care. And if
he's bad, you know, all of a sudden, not painting
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his fingernails won't do anything. So that I dismissed that criticism.
The him not being great at layups is a fair critique.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
But if you were to ask me.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Colin, here are fifteen traits that make a quarterback. You
make up an NFL quarterback, Pick one that is most fixable,
I would say not great at layups. The stuff he
is great at not only is it not like fixable,
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It's not teachable, right, And so give me the guy
who has the inherent greatness in him and then pair
him with someone like Ben Johnson whose job it is
to help him with the other stuff. I would say
this after last year, I thought he finish his rookie
year well behind schedule. I think now he's not only
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on schedule, but ahead of schedule. And still the completion
percentage is crummy. And if not for an onside kick recovery,
he wouldn't have gotten any of the highlight moments that
we got against the Packers. But after that onside kick,
the fourth and four play was unbelievable and the throw
in overtime might have been the play of the year
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in the NFL. And he's young and he's figuring it out,
and Ben Johnson is, you know, ushering him along. So
I like, I love what he's doing. I believe in
the Bears to a degree. Do I think they're going
to win four playoff games.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
To win the Super Bowl? No?
Speaker 5 (19:06):
But do I think that nobody wants to play them? Absolutely?
One small critique about the Bears, and this was Ben
Johnson's issue in Detroit too, And I like Ben, you
can be a little too cute for school. Sometimes, Buddy,
it's fourth and one in the first quarter against the Packers.
Maybe that's not when you call your trick play that
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involves snapping the ball between your tight ends legs two
your five to nine running backs so he can throw
a pass to your quarterback. Maybe save that one for
a lower leverage moment. But I think overall Bears fans
got to be over the moon.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
By the way, m My only criticism ever of McVeigh
was in his first two or three years he showed
off a little bit. He would do stuff. You're like,
n run the ball, Todd Gurley, Let's just do that, okay, correct.
I want to show you know, America should be proud
of us. You now have pivoted to a pro Bills guy,
and I am Jeck to Charger Homer because I love
Herbert and hardball.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
They did not make my herd hierarchy. I was shocked
by that, Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
I wanted to ask you about it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay, So I put them at eleven. And my takeaway
is I have to put Josh Allen in. I don't
know what to do with the Chargers. Where do you
put him on that list. Well, that's my problem I am.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
So here's what my response would be. And I'm not
as high on the Chargers as you obviously are, as
our pal Danny Parkins, who I'm pretty sure thanks Justin
Herbert's the third or fourth greatest quarterback in the history
of the NFL. I think they're better than the Texans
right now. So the Texans, I don't know how much
people watch Texans Raiders well, but the Texans offense, Colin
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is a problem. And here is my Here would be
my concern for Houston because I like Tom Goo, the
defense is obviously sensational. When the fourteen teams are, sorry,
the seven teams that make the AFC Playoffs, if we
were at a power rank each team's offense and defense,
so like the number one unit might be Denver's defense.
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Number two might be the Texans defense, Number three, Bills offense,
whatever on down would fourteenth be the Houston Texans offense.
Are they going to walk into the AFC Playoffs with
the worst unit offense or defense of either of any
team in it? I think they might, and so that
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but I agree with you, I would have the Bills
ahead of the Chargers I think the job that Kyle
Shanahan's done with San Francisco is unbelievable. And Colin, just
so you know, be ready, I can't believe we're going
to be pulled into it again. But after you and
I one declared victory was drawing borders for the great
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brock Purty War of the twenty twenties, we're back in
it now. Everyone's gonna for a gain that Mac Jones
did all the exact same stop, and we're going to
hear about how.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Elite this player is after last night.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
But the night so, I think all of those teams
except for the Texans, I think i'd have ahead of
the Chargers, so the Texans would be the spot. But
I appreciate your integrity by not having, you know, just
fitting in your beloved Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I like to put friends in the hurt higher argu
I don't know what to do. I had them at eleven.
Nick Wright has always buddy, great stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Great to see. I see account.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I did this last night.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I sent it to Kyle, our producer after the Niners game,
and I sat there and I literally had Chargers jumping
over like a fence. I was having these weird dreams.
I'm like, what am I doing? These are my friends.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
I don't know what to do with them.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Buffalo's got to be in it.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
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Speaker 8 (23:57):
Well, let's go to Chargers Cowboys. An interesting game on Sunday.
Very nice win for Justin Herbert and company. I was
blown away by Herbert's movement in the pocket, just shredding
this terrible secondary despite not having his tackles. I'll get
to that momentarily. But you know who loved it even more,
Jim Harball. Listen to him gush about Herbert.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Justin Herbert.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
That was as far as quarterback performances go. That was
a picasso just incredible played by him and just dialed
in like he always is though. I mean it's that
way every single week, with numbing repetition, how well he plays.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
He loves his quarterback. Great place to be in the NFL.
There's not many quarterbacks. There's probably I used to always say,
I used.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
To have this game.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I'd say, there's quarterbacks where you pick up the phone
and try to move them. There's quarterbacks, a lot of them.
Where you'll take a call on the quarterback, but you
don't get on the phone to trade him. And then
there's like six guys in the league tops, you don't
even pick up the phone. There's not a single player
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in the league. Harbaugh would pick up the phone. There's
not a single trade he would make to get rid
of Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean he is, that is not he.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
They are so simpatico their relationship. Like all Herbert cares
about his football, Harbaugh is obsessed with football. That is
a great head coach quarterback relationship.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Colin Justin Herbert's been amazing, And it's interesting because nobody
talks about this. Okay, when Patrick Mahomes loses his two tackles,
he shrivels off and can't do anything in the super
Bowl this season, you know, both of Justin Herbert's starting
tackles are on ir He hasn't had them for weeks.
He lost one of his tackles this week against the Cowboys.
It didn't matter. I mean, listen, I'm not really comparing
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Herbert to Mahomes. Resume wise, Mahomes has him by a mile.
Herbert won't catch him. But right now, if you're asking me,
who's a better quarterback this season? It's not close. Justin
Herbert has outplayed Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Now.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Both of them have been missing their tackle, so I
don't want to hear it. No excuses, man.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
How many quarterbacks in the league could take the beating
Justin Herbert's taken this year.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And I mean Josh Allen.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Maybe Herbert's also got the broken bone in his hand.
Did you notice he went down against Dallas? It was
he came up when saying a favoring it, and Harbaugh
didn't care. He's still called the twist push Herbert runs
it in. I was watching closely because he's my fantasy quarterback. Listen,
I'm just saying I'm not bashing Mahomes. People will take
this the wrong way, but Colin, you and I watch
football closely. Justin Herbert's been a mile better than Patrick
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Mahomes this year, and he doesn't have amazing skill positions.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
They were down to a third string running back.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, they're really allasa soon below average at tight end.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
So this is what we say.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
The difference between there's a lot of levels of quarterbacks
and tears. The guys that can do it with an
atrocious O line and no run game for six weeks,
and what's the what are they eleven and for?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
They should not be eleven and four.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Now, I'll just preface this. I don't love them this
weekend against Houston. I know the Texans looked awful, but
you could your battle line can hold up against Dallas.
I don't know that it can hold up against Hunter
and will Anderson. That's just a nasty combo. I'm leaning Texans,
but I like the Joms.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm not no, I'm saying I felt the same way.
If Woody Marks plays for Houston, I like.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Houston a p.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
It's like Rice, Wait till ra she Rice AND's eager.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Woody is part a big part of that offense.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
He's good your USC guy. All right, let's go to
the other Harball John Harbaugh. Now, I was mentioning the
speculation in Baltimore that people are upset, unhappy member Derek
Henry didn't get any carries after going up eleven.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
The Ravens have an eleven percent chance to make the playoffs.
They need the Steelers to lose this weekend in Cleveland.
That could happen.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
And then they, of course they need to beat the Steelers.
But after eighteen years in Baltimore, there's questions about Hartball's
job security, and he addressed it yesterday.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
And it's never been about keeping a job. And there's
no such thing as like your job or my job.
You know, we have we have responsibilities, we're given opportunities
to steward those responsibilities, and you're given a job to
do that until you're not, you know, and then you
try to do the best I try to do the job,
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not try to keep the job, because there's no such
thing as having a job, just doing a job. And
so my focus is on always it has been for
the last eighteen years here, in the last forty one
years in coaching, or is it forty two it's up there,
it's been to try to do the best job I
can today.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
That's a great quote. That's a great way to look
at it. I like the Horrorball's always are so quotable.
That's jack that comes from Dad. I mean, they just
always have a perspective on life that is gratitude.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I mean it really is.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Both the Harballs are incredibly grateful for their position. I
hope everybody can acknowledge how valuable that is. As an
asset as a human being, because you could just it
just comes through the camera every time they open their mouths.
How gratitude, how grateful, and what gratitude they have for
their positions.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Good leaders. I'll say this the idea of moving off Harball. Okay,
I get it, you're unhappy, you're ticked off. The team
is trending poorly, But what's the game plan? Cone Is
there a coach out there who's a legitimate upgrade?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, I mean right now?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, I mean there's some really good coaches in this league.
I just don't even I can't even broach the subject.
John Harbaugh is the coach of the Ravens. I don't
think anybody else fits that culture or it could build
an equal culture. So I just don't see. You know,
it's like Andy Reid getting up there. Physically, it's coming
to an end. It's like, I feel like the same
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way if Kyle Shanahan had back to back losing seasons.
I mean, I can nitpick, but the guy's so good.
I mean it doesn't matter. Garoppolo, where was Garoppolo? The
minit he left Kyle mac Jones pre Kyle seven teams passed.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
On Brock I mean, he's got this history.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's why I said when he let go with Trey Lance, folks, buyer, beware,
if Kyle can't fix you, you're you know, you're probably
not that fixable.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
I don't know that. Was I going overboard with the
Lamar stuff or do you think that there's a question there.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I think Lamar's beat up.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
His speed early in the season was fifteen miles an hour,
now it's ten.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
He's not the same guy. Does it move the same?
That was always.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
Injuries or aids or just yeah, he's beat up. Do
you think next season they can done that?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I think I think they will bounce back.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
We'll see. Is Derek Henry on the roster next year.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
He's got he's he's had some ugly fumbles this year.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah, getting up there in age. Finally, let's go to
the Niners. Bang Bang, Niner gang, Colin, how about brock Perdy,
my guy five tuddies, really impressive performance. Listen, I know
you were kind of muted despite saying how good they look.
You decided to talk about Christian McCaffrey and not brock
Perdy but Brent Williams. Oh boy, he talked about Brocking
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Company chasing the top spot in the NFC.
Speaker 10 (31:06):
It's not end all, be all, but it's definitely important.
You know, we got two playoff teams coming up, so
I'm just more excited to see how we match up.
Can we continue to play the football that we're proud of,
football that we played tonight, you know, because it's a
great chance that we could see one of those two
teams in the playoffs as well. So, you know, not
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really number one seed. Obviously, it's a path to that,
but it's not the number one thing in our mind
right now, especially not mine.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Let me just say the offense is humming. Yeah, now,
George kittle Man, that's okay. So now you've got two
days less rest than Chicago. Kittle probably doesn't play, and
McCaffrey's coming off a twenty seven touch game. Those are
bad number. That's why I like the Bears. Those are
bad numbers for the Niners.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I did drill down on the twenty seven and touches
unbelievably all four times after he had the twenty seven touches.
They played a tough team. Well, they played a tough team.
They're not playing like the sisters are the poor and
I don't know that the Bears are tough, but you
did give me pause because I already bet the over
in this Sunday Night football, and I may lay the
lumber with the Niners. I'm praying this drops to two
and a half. It's three now, but I hope people
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hear your your Bears love, and maybe Roma Dunze returns,
Lucier Burden returns. I just, I just I don't know
that they can stop this. This Niners off. These guys
are shredding. How about this. We got the headline writers,
brock you like a hurricane. Okay, we got a lot
of stuff in the chain. We're ready for action. This
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Niners team, hey, Colin, Yeah, you gotta admit this. This
team is very fun to watch. Oh god, they're a
great TV product. I love watching the Niners. There's so
much fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You gotta get kiddleback, though, dude, that guy is Oh
my god. It just the blocking alone changes there are offense.
He is arguably one of the top two or three
blocking tight ends of all time. You took every receiver
and tight end in league history.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That was good.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
Yeah, and by the way, no, Ricky Piersoll last night.
He didn't even play. He was an early pick. They
love him. Super athletic. He can't say healthy, but I'm
just telling if the defense can get just a few
stops against the run. I got to look up Robert
Salah against Ben Johnson. I got this is chat GPT
give me the history of their matchups head to head.
I haven't done all the research yet, but it's early
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in the week.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
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Speaker 1 (34:04):
I said, if there was an award for the best
coaching staff in the NFL this year, I would give
it to the San Francisco forty nine ers. What Robert
Sala has done is amazing. So Slas signed for the Jets.
I think it was five years, twenty five million, and
he's the highest paid defensive quord rator in football. And
I have said all year I would hire him as
a head coach in the right spot. He's gonna eat,
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he won't be taking public transportation much. He's done well
for himself. I think he should follow the Mike Vrabel
or Ben Johnson route. Ben Johnson turned down multiple teams
until he found a quarterback he thought that's dynamic. And
Mike Rabel took a year off.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
So if you look at.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Jim Harbaugh and you look at Ben Johnson and Mike Rabel,
they waited until in their mind, okay, that's a quarterback
I can win double digit games with. You can't predict
super Bowls. But that's a guy who win ten, eleven,
twelve games with. And that's when you jump. The Titans
have an O opening, dysfunction, Giants have an opening. I
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wouldn't go back to New York. First of all, both
those organizations have dysfunction, and they don't have a ton
of momentous franchises, and that matters. But it's weird because
I've always thought a good coaching candidate, Now, Harball is
a great candidate.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Rabel's a great candidate. Sala did get fired.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Saula is a good coaching candidate, and a good coaching
candidate should be like a good actor, wait for the
right script. But both professions are weirdly insecure. Is that
good actors get They don't get called for the big movies.
They get an audition, right. They need to know a director.
(35:44):
And so it's easy for Matt Damon, who once told
his wife will take an extended break. I will unless
Christopher Nolan calls again, and he did for Oppenheimer. It's like, Okay,
I'm going back to work. Jim Harbaugh went, okay, Justin
Herbert is great. I'm leaving college football for that gig.
Mike Vrabel watched took a year off, watched Drake May
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and said that looks a little like Tom without, you know,
with better movement. So I think Sala and it's a
it's a weird space. I think he should stay in
San Francisco for as long as he has to. There's
only been a handful of great job openings. Now, I
thought the Patriots was great owner Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels,
the OC had failed at head coach, wanted to stay there.
(36:30):
And Drake May was super talented. And you had three
hundred million dollars of free agent money and you don't
have a lot of It's a good organization. That was
a great job. Mike McCarthy, Matt Lafleur getting Aaron Rodgers'
late prime, great job. I mean, Mike McCarthy getting Dak
in his prime. That's a pretty good job. Harbaugh to Herbert,
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very good job. But I think I look at Robert
Sala and there's a weird thing about coaches. It's not
just the money, because he's made good money, not a
mazing money relative to what you know high end coaches make.
But I think he could work in college. He just
doesn't want to coach college. I think he'd be a
rock star in college. But that nil nonsense. You know,
(37:11):
a lot of coaches now are like, if you're gonna
pay players, just go coach the best players. But here's
Kyle Shanahan on his amazing defensive coordinator.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
I think Robert had a lot of opportunities to be
a decordinator. I think that was definitely one of them.
So just talking through that whole thing, and he got
close to I think a couple of head coach shops
in the time too. So he was definitely our first
choice and we were hoping that we would be his.
And that's a hot commodity and the way he carries
himself to how he is. I hope for us he's
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not a head coach next year. But I also know
when you have the talent that's someone like Robert does,
it's only a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
So he's coached the Jets.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
He's been in a bad movie with a bad director before,
in a bad script, so he didn't want to do
that again. So you have to be choosy and like
an interesting one, you say, oh what about what if
Joe and the Cincinnati job was available. I think Zach
Taylor's fine. I don't think he's McVeigh.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
He's fine.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I don't think that's a great job because of ownership
and Joe Burrow's injuries. I do not think that's a
great job. Titans, like the quarterback not a great job.
There's folks, there's not as many good jobs as you think.
Like I think the ownership in Buffalo is strong, and
I think if they got bounced in the first round,
that would be one of the last great jobs in
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the last five six years Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I'm not rooting for that to happen.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I think Sean McDermott is is good and Brandon Bean
the GM is known as a very sharp cap guys.
He knows how to work his way around the math.
But you know at these coaches they want gigs. There
is a lot of good coaching going on in the NFL.
There is unbeliev I mean, think about this, the playoffs
are not going to have Mahomes, Burrow and maybe Lamar Jackson.
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But you're gonna get Stafford and Aaron Rodgers and Caleb
and Vo Nicks and Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert and
Drake May and they're CJ. Stroud and you're gonna get
a lot of great quarterback play. So if you're not
gonna have Burrow, Lamar and Mahomes, you would think that's
a dent to the playoffs. Jalen Hurt's gonna be around.
Brock Perties absolutely on fire, great stories. I do like
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Philadelphia to beat Buffalo over the weekend because I think
Josh Allen still dinged up.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
We can throw the schedule up at you want.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It's not at the one o'clock window on Sunday does
not harken back to the great early windows in league history,
the best. I mean, you know Thursday, you know you're
getting backup quarterbacks. I do want to watch Detroit at Minnesota, so.
Speaker 8 (39:36):
Not just backups, Collin, Josh Johnson is a third stringer.
I know Max Brosmer is the third string rookie Alutacon
whoever that is is a third stringer. That those are brutal. Yeah,
this is a really weak slate.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Saturday is great, though, Chargers, well, hold on, hold on,
Ravens have to win.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's the season.
Speaker 8 (39:54):
It's it's probably gonna be Josh Johnson or not Josh Johnson.
Who's the backup A Snoop Untley again, whoever Malik Willis has.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Hurt tell Snoop Hanley and Malik Willis, there's an argument
those are the best backups in the league.
Speaker 8 (40:07):
We'll see. I think Texas Chargers is really really good. Sunday.
I'm circling that Panthers Seahawks game. Colin. I just sent
a request to our great statistician researcher.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
The play is Carolina plus seven.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
Yeh.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
But is there a money line play on it as well,
because we've seen some teams from the West coast go
east in November December and we really struggle.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
See well yeah, travel early is not travel late. Teams
are beat up. And it is interesting about when you
get this time in the NFL season and people Oways
bemoaned that we have all these backup quarterbacks. And this
is something I think, I know, I've been on this
for years, is of all the positions in the NFL,
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we know quarterbacks most important. Left tackle either a pass rusher,
an elite pass rusher when you're front four to five
or two. I think the center. I think the center
is underrated. Corners overrated. Let me tell you another position
that's underrated, backup quarterback. If not for the quarterback room
and for three or four potential midgames moments
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Speaker 3 (00:26):
Here we go, it's hour two, first hour, flew.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
By Live in Chicago. It's The Herd, Rock Purty seven
on seven passing drill last night. Those secondaries both very
mid as they say. All right, Nick writes a couple
of minutes away, I gotta tell you there's a couple
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of teams in this league and they played on Thursday,
rams Seahawks. You gotta be impressed with those teams. But
between the third best team in the league and the ten,
maybe a point and a half. Here we go in
our Herd.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Hierarchy heard Hierarchy. Time go the top ten NFL teams
according to College Number.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
Ten Buffalo Josh Allen's hurt. Did you see the offense
once he went for an next ray? They've been held
under two hundred passing yards in three of the last
four games. They can't stop the run. I am not
as high on Buffalo as everybody else is. People keep seeing,
well Mahomes does it make the playoffs? If you watch Jacksonville,
you watch Denver, they're pretty good. Seen the Texans defense,
(01:37):
I don't know. I don't see this as a team
that can win three playoff games. They have no passing
attack down field. Buffalo at ten, number nine.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
The Niners.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Opposing quarterbacks, including Philip Rivers have a one oh one
passer rating.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Against this defense. No Bosa.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
I mean, the last night's pass rush wasn't bad, but
I think you can really beat this team in the
back end. And Christian McCaffrey twenty seven touches, they're zero
to four the game after he has twenty seven touches.
George Kittle's now hurt. Do you realize Kittle this year
is worth a touchdown to their offense? That is insane.
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A lot of that's is blocking. I have the Niners
at nine, number eight. I had no idea Woody Marx
was that valuable. Texans were atrocious against the Raiders. Woody
Marks didn't play. Now listen opposing quarterbacks this year. I
have a passer running of seventy four. I do think,
and they'd be ugly, but I think they could get
to the conference championship. I like the coach, I like
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the quarterback. If Woody Marx is healthy, they can run
the football. I got Houston at eight.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
Number seven.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah, Denver just didn't play well, and the defense since
the Week twelve buy has gotten worse. It's allowing twenty
six a game since the buy. And it's not the offense.
They had four hundred and forty five yards now. The
other thing, though, I will give them credit, teams that
played Denver are three and eleven the following week. That
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tells you they're a really physical team, and it also
tells you you should bet against the Jags this.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Week, number six, the Jags.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They were four and five in the red zone and
teams had struggled all year against the Broncos in the
red zone. Six game winning streak. Hard to run against them.
I like their story. I thought that game felt so
big for them. They were very intentional. They're receiving course
the real deal. Listen, when you're bad for years and
have top ten draft picks, you got dudes. And Jacksonville
(03:36):
at six has dudes. Number five I like Philadelphia Lane Johnson,
Jalen Carter coming back.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
The band is back together.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
There's only two teams in the league, the Rams are
one Phillies the other that are top five in red
zone offense and red zone defense. That's Philadelphia. I may
not always love their coach, but I got the Eagles
at five number four, beating them in Philly. I'll put
them four now. They've played an easy schedule, but they're
eleven and two since Week three. They do not give
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the ball away and they take the ball away. That
is really good going into the playoffs. Their quarterback, Yeah
he's young, but he is dynamic, I think situationally. I
love their head coach. I know a lot of you
have misgivings about him. I don't care that they get
out played in the second quarter. I care they win games.
Bears at four number three, it's like New England. They've
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had one stinker in the last ten weeks, and they
dominated New They dominated the Buffalo Bills in the first
half of that game.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
They lost.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
I like him seven to zero on the road. They're
doing it now without their left tackling left guard. So
and the weakest part of this team right now is
their run game because they're all beat up on the
offensive line. But the reason I took him over Baltimore
is they move the chains. Their receiving corps is way
way underrated. Go look at big play this season. I
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think you'll be shocked at where New England is number two.
Rams are one or two. They lost to Seattle. I'll
put him at two. Three straight games with five hundred
plus yards out gaining opponents this year by almost eleven
hundred yards. Nobody can stop Pooka the doing it without
Devonte Adams. Now two running backs, three tight ends. I
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like getting a pass rush.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
Rams at two.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Number one, Well, Seattle turns the ball over too much,
but they've been very good against good teams. They could
have beaten the Rams twice, beat them one, Steelers, Jack, Texans, Colts.
It's not just Sam Darnold.
Speaker 3 (05:39):
I've said it.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
If you turn the sound down when you watch the Seahawks,
they look like the best team in the league. They
can turn the ball over and still blow teams out.
They can get out played for three and a half
quarters and still beat excellent teams. I'll put the Seahawks
at number one.
Speaker 4 (05:56):
Now.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Nick Wright for the first time in his career is
a Bills stand and he is joining us live. I
just there's so much about the Bills that worries me.
You've pivoted to Buffalo this year and it's a redeemable quality.
Speaker 5 (06:12):
Why well, it's I mean, no, I just last year
and this year I thought going into the season Buffalo
was the second best team in the conference. Last year,
I was correct. This year obviously, both years to the Chiefs.
This year, the Chiefs.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
Let me down. On that end.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
The Bills are who they've been, which is they have
one of the three best quarterbacks alive. I think he's
the second best quarterback alive and the best healthy quarterback.
Even though Stafford's having the great year and the supporting cast.
Speaker 6 (06:44):
It's a few years ago it.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
Was wildly overrated and now it feels a touch underrated.
I know people wish Josh Allen had better receivers. I
get that, but I guess he just has to settle
for having the rushing champ, a good to very good
offensive line, and really good tight ends. That's enough in
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a wide open AFC. And I do think for Josh,
when the hurdle for him to make the Super Bowl
has or to get deep in the playoffs or make
the Super Bowl has been Patrick Mahomes four out of
five years and Joe Burrow the other year. The fact
that neither of those teams or quarterbacks are going to
be in the playoffs means this is wide open for him.
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So I just think I don't think Buffalo has the
best resume, but of every team in the AFC, their
resume is close enough that because they have the only
Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime that is going
to be in the playoff field, I think I'd roll
with them with the possible caveat of look out for
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my Jags. Colin oh Man, I told you a month ago,
what if Trevor went on the Sam Darnold arc. I
didn't know it was going to happen right now. I
didn't know what's gonna happen. Amen, Thanksgiving. He's been great.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Now I want to It's funny so years and years ago,
this may have been thirty years ago. I'd never been
a big car guy, but I loved Jaguars. I think
I saw a movie with a guy in a Jaguar.
I thought it was cool, But Jaguars had a reputation.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
They fell apart that you could not trust the Jaguar.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Get British, the Brits, and then I think somebody bought
them like Ford or somebody bought him. And now the Jags,
you know, they corrected those flaws. But I feel the
Car and the Jaguars franchise are similar where boy, they
look good, there's a lot of good man. They look good,
but I don't trust them on a long roadie, why
do you suddenly trust them?
Speaker 6 (08:44):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
I don't know that I can't fully trust them. But
what I will say is this, Liam Cohen just doesn't
have like the pr that some of the other young
coaches have.
Speaker 3 (08:59):
He's been excellent.
Speaker 5 (09:01):
He has been awesome, and as much as I love
and I do love Baker, Baker seems to miss him
in a way he didn't miss Dave Canalis, and so
Liam Cohen maybe because the duvault thing was goofy, because
on camera he doesn't really cut the same profile as
Ben Johnson or the Jamiico Ryans or some of the
(09:24):
other young coaches everybody likes. He wasn't taking as seriously.
And then there's Trevor who here would be my argument
about what has changed with Trevor Lawrence. I do not
think his highlight throws this year are any different than
any of the last four years. I think since Trevor's
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second year in the league, if you cut up his
twenty best throws of the season, they would stack up
next to just about any of the.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
All Pro quarterbacks.
Speaker 5 (09:56):
What Trevor's problem had been was his twenty worst plays
of the season. Brutal looked like the worst plays you've
ever seen. It was just dropping the ball, red zone picks.
Speaker 6 (10:11):
Terrible. And he's the.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Last month he has kept the highlight throws and cut
out the other stuff. They are this during this run, Colin,
they are beating teams by an average of eighteen point
eight points per victory. Yeah, that is the last year
they scored eighteen point eight points per game. It has
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been a transformation, and I listen, they are alive for
the one seed. They are huge favorites to win the division,
and they feel a little dangerous and they do have
a bit of a Nobody believes in us since the
whole media and your guys Sean Payton all made fun
of Jacksonville for no reason. That's a fine American town.
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Nothing wrong with Jacksonville. So I like the Jags. I
don't trust them as much as the Bills, but see
if Trevor can keep this heater going.
Speaker 1 (11:05):
So you know, a couple of years ago, I said
a story that's not a big story, but it's something
as Andy Reid is aging and he's not going to
be around, So Mahomes is going to have to have
a second head coach and a second gronk, Travis Kelcey,
trustable outlet. So they like anything in life, it's just
I mean that the Patriots weren't great at drafting, but
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they got tied ends right for a few years and
then in the end they didn't have enough players. So
it's hard. Wide receivers hard. It's an emotional position. You
get some immaturity, blah blah blah. So is there any
part of you that looks at it And you may
not say it on the air, but you're thinking to yourself,
if Andy retired after next year and they're not quite great,
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next year, they retool, but they're not quite great. They
don't have the rams. Maybe the Seahawks roster. Is there
any party that worries that thet is gone?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And then it was wonderful.
Speaker 1 (12:02):
It was a Broadway hit, but the understudies filling in
aren't the same in Mahomes's, so ever quite able to
duplicate it.
Speaker 5 (12:11):
So here's the thing I worry is not the word
I would use. Okay, and I here I if you
are asking me, do I think it is likely they
ever duplicate the last seven years, because let's just be
clear on.
Speaker 6 (12:27):
What it was.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
That's as good of a seven year stretch as any
team has ever had in the history of football. Are
they going to do that twice? Are they going to
make seven straight conference championship games? Are they going to
make five out of six Super Bowls including three straight?
I think that the odds are no. I like the
Patriots best stretch ever twenty eleven to eighteen. They did
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on the back end instead of the front end, but
there is no they didn't do that more than once.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
I do think if your.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
Point is that we will look get the entire Mahomes
era and say the best six year run was the
one that just ended, I think that's likely. I don't
think they are likely to make five out of six
Super Bowls again and be the favorite every year, but
that is a very vary to me far bridge from
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they are done being a perennial.
Speaker 6 (13:23):
Super Bowl favorite.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
I think they will go into every season over the
next I believe five to seven years with the best
quarterback in the league, and that being your starting point
is the most important starting point. And so if you
were to ask me, do you know how many more
Super Bowls do I think Patrick Mahomes plays in? I
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would probably say four. If you're to ask me how
many more super Bowls as Patrick Mahomes win, I would
probably say two or three. Now, again, that would in
any era of NFL football, that career I just described
would be incomprehensible. Because Tom Brady went to ten and
won seven. That seems like odds, almost disappointing.
Speaker 6 (14:09):
But he's already.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Second most all time in Super Bowl appearances and tied
for third all time in Super Bowl or fourth all
time burd and Me in super Bowl wins.
Speaker 6 (14:20):
So I think they are.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
Going to get back to being a dominant juggernaut. But
making five out of six Super Bowls literally no one
had done it before, So I don't know that I
can say the Chiefs are going to do it again.
I will say this quickly on this I think you
for all the people poking at Mahomes and I saw
you say Josh Allen's been way better for two years,
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which again I mean, I don't know. They play each
other in the playoffs, one guy who was out plays them,
but set it aside. I think we saw on Sunday
how much the offensive load Patrick is carrying because he
goes out and they instantly become the worst offense in football.
Speaker 6 (15:00):
So they do need to read tools.
Speaker 5 (15:02):
Some things offensively, most notably the running back room, and
I think they'll do that next season.
Speaker 1 (15:07):
So I'm always fascinated by unicorns, people that do things.
And you know, it's like unbelievable that Jokic is the
maybe the best center ever. Now he doesn't have Kareem skyhook,
but passing threes low post screening, you're like, sure, I've
(15:28):
never seen. And he goes against type like he's not twitchy,
he couldn't jump over a folded newspaper, and you're like, yeah,
you can't guard him.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
You literally can't.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
Say. Draymond Green's like, yeah, that's the one guy I
can't do anything with. So here's Kayleb Williams. It's fascinating
when he paints his fingernails. He's awful on script, he
jumps into the crowd to see his mom. Ah.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
I talked to all these gms.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
They're like, he's not very accurate, he's kind of moody.
I'm not sure if he's the lead. And now you're
watching the Dysfunctional Bears and he's gonna win this incredible division,
you know before the season where he's at the best division,
and it's fascinating. I don't worry about the completion percentage,
but it is rare that you'd be like because Cam
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was in the fifty nine to sixty. But I think
Caleb's I think his ceiling's more consistent than Cam because
Cam's personality was kind of distracted.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
Are we you? Is it possible that we are looking?
I said this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (16:31):
Is he a shorter Josh Allen's there's nothing else like him.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
On the that even looks like him? What do you
make of his personality?
Speaker 5 (16:38):
So the Jucks is so all of it, So listen,
the Josh Allen comp I struggle with only because Josh.
Speaker 6 (16:44):
So much of Josh's.
Speaker 5 (16:45):
Greatness is just brute force, just how big and strong
and so like the so I that comp I can't
wrap my mind around.
Speaker 6 (16:55):
But so let me just go through all of it.
Speaker 5 (16:57):
Fact of the matter is, and people were of, you know,
kind of dancing around it.
Speaker 6 (17:03):
There was a lot.
Speaker 5 (17:04):
Of without saying it, people are like, ah, I think
the guy's too effeminate. That they didn't like that he cried,
They didn't like that he.
Speaker 6 (17:12):
Painted his nails, and they didn't like that.
Speaker 5 (17:14):
He was fine with it like that he was He
knew people were gonna have that criticism and he didn't care.
I thought that critique from the beginning was nonsense. People
were like, ah, well, locker rooms follow him, and the
answer is if he's good, absolutely, like nobody know. As
long as he's good, no one will care. And if
he's bad, you know, all of a sudden, not painting
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his fingernails won't do anything. So that I dismissed that criticism.
The him not being great at layups is a fair critique.
Speaker 6 (17:47):
But if you were to ask me.
Speaker 5 (17:48):
Colin, here are fifteen traits that make a quarterback. You
make up an NFL quarterback, Pick one that is most fixable,
I would say not great at layups. The stuff he
is great at not only is it not like fixable,
(18:09):
It's not teachable, right, And so give me the guy
who has the inherent greatness in him and then pair
him with someone like Ben Johnson whose job it is
to help him with the other stuff. I would say
this after last year, I thought he finish his rookie
year well behind schedule. I think now he's not only
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on schedule, but ahead of schedule. And still the completion
percentage is crummy. And if not for an onside kick recovery,
he wouldn't have gotten any of the highlight moments that
we got against the Packers. But after that onside kick,
the fourth and four play was unbelievable and the throw
in overtime might have been the play of the year
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in the NFL. And he's young and he's figuring it out,
and Ben Johnson is, you know, ushering him along. So
I like, I love what he's doing. I believe in
the Bears to a degree. Do I think they're going
to win four playoff games.
Speaker 6 (19:05):
To win the Super Bowl? No?
Speaker 5 (19:06):
But do I think that nobody wants to play them? Absolutely?
One small critique about the Bears, and this was Ben
Johnson's issue in Detroit too, And I like Ben, you
can be a little too cute for school. Sometimes, Buddy,
it's fourth and one in the first quarter against the Packers.
Maybe that's not when you call your trick play that
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involves snapping the ball between your tight ends legs two
your five to nine running backs so he can throw
a pass to your quarterback. Maybe save that one for
a lower leverage moment. But I think overall Bears fans
got to be over the moon.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
By the way, m My only criticism ever of McVeigh
was in his first two or three years he showed
off a little bit. He would do stuff. You're like,
n run the ball, Todd Gurley, Let's just do that, okay, correct.
I want to show you know, America should be proud
of us. You now have pivoted to a pro Bills guy,
and I am Jeck to Charger Homer because I love
Herbert and hardball.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
They did not make my herd hierarchy. I was shocked
by that, Okay.
Speaker 6 (20:06):
I wanted to ask you about it.
Speaker 1 (20:08):
Okay, So I put them at eleven. And my takeaway
is I have to put Josh Allen in. I don't
know what to do with the Chargers. Where do you
put him on that list. Well, that's my problem I am.
Speaker 5 (20:23):
So here's what my response would be. And I'm not
as high on the Chargers as you obviously are, as
our pal Danny Parkins, who I'm pretty sure thanks Justin
Herbert's the third or fourth greatest quarterback in the history
of the NFL. I think they're better than the Texans
right now. So the Texans, I don't know how much
people watch Texans Raiders well, but the Texans offense, Colin
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is a problem. And here is my Here would be
my concern for Houston because I like Tom Goo, the
defense is obviously sensational. When the fourteen teams are, sorry,
the seven teams that make the AFC Playoffs, if we
were at a power rank each team's offense and defense,
so like the number one unit might be Denver's defense.
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Number two might be the Texans defense, Number three, Bills offense,
whatever on down would fourteenth be the Houston Texans offense.
Are they going to walk into the AFC Playoffs with
the worst unit offense or defense of either of any
team in it? I think they might, and so that
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but I agree with you, I would have the Bills
ahead of the Chargers I think the job that Kyle
Shanahan's done with San Francisco is unbelievable. And Colin, just
so you know, be ready, I can't believe we're going
to be pulled into it again. But after you and
I one declared victory was drawing borders for the great
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brock Purty War of the twenty twenties, we're back in
it now. Everyone's gonna for a gain that Mac Jones
did all the exact same stop, and we're going to
hear about how.
Speaker 6 (22:03):
Elite this player is after last night.
Speaker 5 (22:06):
But the night so, I think all of those teams
except for the Texans, I think i'd have ahead of
the Chargers, so the Texans would be the spot. But
I appreciate your integrity by not having, you know, just
fitting in your beloved Los Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1 (22:21):
I like to put friends in the hurt higher argu
I don't know what to do. I had them at eleven.
Nick Wright has always buddy, great stuff.
Speaker 6 (22:27):
Great to see. I see account.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
Yeah, I did this last night.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
I sent it to Kyle, our producer after the Niners game,
and I sat there and I literally had Chargers jumping
over like a fence. I was having these weird dreams.
I'm like, what am I doing? These are my friends.
Speaker 6 (22:40):
I don't know what to do with them.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Buffalo's got to be in it.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
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You took those clips totally of context.
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Speaker 2 (23:54):
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Speaker 8 (23:57):
Well, let's go to Chargers Cowboys. An interesting game on Sunday.
Very nice win for Justin Herbert and company. I was
blown away by Herbert's movement in the pocket, just shredding
this terrible secondary despite not having his tackles. I'll get
to that momentarily. But you know who loved it even more,
Jim Harball. Listen to him gush about Herbert.
Speaker 6 (24:17):
Justin Herbert.
Speaker 9 (24:19):
That was as far as quarterback performances go. That was
a picasso just incredible played by him and just dialed
in like he always is though. I mean it's that
way every single week, with numbing repetition, how well he plays.
Speaker 1 (24:45):
He loves his quarterback. Great place to be in the NFL.
There's not many quarterbacks. There's probably I used to always say,
I used.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
To have this game.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
I'd say, there's quarterbacks where you pick up the phone
and try to move them. There's quarterbacks, a lot of them.
Where you'll take a call on the quarterback, but you
don't get on the phone to trade him. And then
there's like six guys in the league tops, you don't
even pick up the phone. There's not a single player
(25:15):
in the league. Harbaugh would pick up the phone. There's
not a single trade he would make to get rid
of Justin Herbert.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
I mean he is, that is not he.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
They are so simpatico their relationship. Like all Herbert cares
about his football, Harbaugh is obsessed with football. That is
a great head coach quarterback relationship.
Speaker 8 (25:38):
Colin Justin Herbert's been amazing, And it's interesting because nobody
talks about this. Okay, when Patrick Mahomes loses his two tackles,
he shrivels off and can't do anything in the super
Bowl this season, you know, both of Justin Herbert's starting
tackles are on ir He hasn't had them for weeks.
He lost one of his tackles this week against the Cowboys.
It didn't matter. I mean, listen, I'm not really comparing
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Herbert to Mahomes. Resume wise, Mahomes has him by a mile.
Herbert won't catch him. But right now, if you're asking me,
who's a better quarterback this season? It's not close. Justin
Herbert has outplayed Mahomes.
Speaker 6 (26:10):
Now.
Speaker 8 (26:10):
Both of them have been missing their tackle, so I
don't want to hear it. No excuses, man.
Speaker 1 (26:14):
How many quarterbacks in the league could take the beating
Justin Herbert's taken this year.
Speaker 3 (26:18):
And I mean Josh Allen.
Speaker 8 (26:20):
Maybe Herbert's also got the broken bone in his hand.
Did you notice he went down against Dallas? It was
he came up when saying a favoring it, and Harbaugh
didn't care. He's still called the twist push Herbert runs
it in. I was watching closely because he's my fantasy quarterback. Listen,
I'm just saying I'm not bashing Mahomes. People will take
this the wrong way, but Colin, you and I watch
football closely. Justin Herbert's been a mile better than Patrick
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Mahomes this year, and he doesn't have amazing skill positions.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
They were down to a third string running back.
Speaker 1 (26:49):
Yeah, they're really allasa soon below average at tight end.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
So this is what we say.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
The difference between there's a lot of levels of quarterbacks
and tears. The guys that can do it with an
atrocious O line and no run game for six weeks,
and what's the what are they eleven and for?
Speaker 6 (27:07):
Right now?
Speaker 3 (27:08):
They should not be eleven and four.
Speaker 8 (27:10):
Now, I'll just preface this. I don't love them this
weekend against Houston. I know the Texans looked awful, but
you could your battle line can hold up against Dallas.
I don't know that it can hold up against Hunter
and will Anderson. That's just a nasty combo. I'm leaning Texans,
but I like the Joms.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
I'm not no, I'm saying I felt the same way.
If Woody Marks plays for Houston, I like.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Houston a p.
Speaker 8 (27:32):
It's like Rice, Wait till ra she Rice AND's eager.
Speaker 3 (27:36):
Woody is part a big part of that offense.
Speaker 8 (27:38):
He's good your USC guy. All right, let's go to
the other Harball John Harbaugh. Now, I was mentioning the
speculation in Baltimore that people are upset, unhappy member Derek
Henry didn't get any carries after going up eleven.
Speaker 1 (27:50):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:51):
The Ravens have an eleven percent chance to make the playoffs.
They need the Steelers to lose this weekend in Cleveland.
That could happen.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Uh.
Speaker 8 (27:57):
And then they, of course they need to beat the Steelers.
But after eighteen years in Baltimore, there's questions about Hartball's
job security, and he addressed it yesterday.
Speaker 4 (28:06):
And it's never been about keeping a job. And there's
no such thing as like your job or my job.
You know, we have we have responsibilities, we're given opportunities
to steward those responsibilities, and you're given a job to
do that until you're not, you know, and then you
try to do the best I try to do the job,
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not try to keep the job, because there's no such
thing as having a job, just doing a job. And
so my focus is on always it has been for
the last eighteen years here, in the last forty one
years in coaching, or is it forty two it's up there,
it's been to try to do the best job I
can today.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
That's a great quote. That's a great way to look
at it. I like the Horrorball's always are so quotable.
That's jack that comes from Dad. I mean, they just
always have a perspective on life that is gratitude.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
I mean it really is.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Both the Harballs are incredibly grateful for their position. I
hope everybody can acknowledge how valuable that is. As an
asset as a human being, because you could just it
just comes through the camera every time they open their mouths.
How gratitude, how grateful, and what gratitude they have for
their positions.
Speaker 8 (29:12):
Good leaders. I'll say this the idea of moving off Harball. Okay,
I get it, you're unhappy, you're ticked off. The team
is trending poorly, But what's the game plan? Cone Is
there a coach out there who's a legitimate upgrade?
Speaker 3 (29:24):
No, I mean right now?
Speaker 1 (29:27):
Yeah, I mean there's some really good coaches in this league.
I just don't even I can't even broach the subject.
John Harbaugh is the coach of the Ravens. I don't
think anybody else fits that culture or it could build
an equal culture. So I just don't see. You know,
it's like Andy Reid getting up there. Physically, it's coming
to an end. It's like, I feel like the same
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way if Kyle Shanahan had back to back losing seasons.
I mean, I can nitpick, but the guy's so good.
I mean it doesn't matter. Garoppolo, where was Garoppolo? The
minit he left Kyle mac Jones pre Kyle seven teams passed.
Speaker 3 (30:04):
On Brock I mean, he's got this history.
Speaker 1 (30:07):
That's why I said when he let go with Trey Lance, folks, buyer, beware,
if Kyle can't fix you, you're you know, you're probably
not that fixable.
Speaker 8 (30:15):
I don't know that. Was I going overboard with the
Lamar stuff or do you think that there's a question there.
Speaker 3 (30:20):
I think Lamar's beat up.
Speaker 1 (30:21):
His speed early in the season was fifteen miles an hour,
now it's ten.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
He's not the same guy. Does it move the same?
That was always.
Speaker 8 (30:28):
Injuries or aids or just yeah, he's beat up. Do
you think next season they can done that?
Speaker 3 (30:32):
I think I think they will bounce back.
Speaker 8 (30:34):
We'll see. Is Derek Henry on the roster next year.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
That's a good question.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
He's got he's he's had some ugly fumbles this year.
Speaker 8 (30:41):
Yeah, getting up there in age. Finally, let's go to
the Niners. Bang Bang, Niner gang, Colin, how about brock Perdy,
my guy five tuddies, really impressive performance. Listen, I know
you were kind of muted despite saying how good they look.
You decided to talk about Christian McCaffrey and not brock
Perdy but Brent Williams. Oh boy, he talked about Brocking
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Company chasing the top spot in the NFC.
Speaker 10 (31:06):
It's not end all, be all, but it's definitely important.
You know, we got two playoff teams coming up, so
I'm just more excited to see how we match up.
Can we continue to play the football that we're proud of,
football that we played tonight, you know, because it's a
great chance that we could see one of those two
teams in the playoffs as well. So, you know, not
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really number one seed. Obviously, it's a path to that,
but it's not the number one thing in our mind
right now, especially not mine.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Let me just say the offense is humming. Yeah, now,
George kittle Man, that's okay. So now you've got two
days less rest than Chicago. Kittle probably doesn't play, and
McCaffrey's coming off a twenty seven touch game. Those are
bad number. That's why I like the Bears. Those are
bad numbers for the Niners.
Speaker 8 (31:58):
I did drill down on the twenty seven and touches
unbelievably all four times after he had the twenty seven touches.
They played a tough team. Well, they played a tough team.
They're not playing like the sisters are the poor and
I don't know that the Bears are tough, but you
did give me pause because I already bet the over
in this Sunday Night football, and I may lay the
lumber with the Niners. I'm praying this drops to two
and a half. It's three now, but I hope people
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hear your your Bears love, and maybe Roma Dunze returns,
Lucier Burden returns. I just, I just I don't know
that they can stop this. This Niners off. These guys
are shredding. How about this. We got the headline writers,
brock you like a hurricane. Okay, we got a lot
of stuff in the chain. We're ready for action. This
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Niners team, hey, Colin, Yeah, you gotta admit this. This
team is very fun to watch. Oh god, they're a
great TV product. I love watching the Niners. There's so
much fun to watch.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
You gotta get kiddleback, though, dude, that guy is Oh
my god. It just the blocking alone changes there are offense.
He is arguably one of the top two or three
blocking tight ends of all time. You took every receiver
and tight end in league history.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
That was good.
Speaker 8 (33:08):
Yeah, and by the way, no, Ricky Piersoll last night.
He didn't even play. He was an early pick. They
love him. Super athletic. He can't say healthy, but I'm
just telling if the defense can get just a few
stops against the run. I got to look up Robert
Salah against Ben Johnson. I got this is chat GPT
give me the history of their matchups head to head.
I haven't done all the research yet, but it's early
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in the week.
Speaker 3 (33:31):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 8 (33:33):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by.
Speaker 2 (33:36):
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Speaker 8 (33:46):
Sunday, the Colts tried to keep their playoff hopes alive
against the division leading Jags or other regional action. Then
in America's Game of the Week, it's a potential Super
Bowl preview as Jalen Hurts and the Egos take on
Jo Sallon and the Bills. Check out the listings for
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Speaker 1 (34:04):
I said, if there was an award for the best
coaching staff in the NFL this year, I would give
it to the San Francisco forty nine ers. What Robert
Sala has done is amazing. So Slas signed for the Jets.
I think it was five years, twenty five million, and
he's the highest paid defensive quord rator in football. And
I have said all year I would hire him as
a head coach in the right spot. He's gonna eat,
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he won't be taking public transportation much. He's done well
for himself. I think he should follow the Mike Vrabel
or Ben Johnson route. Ben Johnson turned down multiple teams
until he found a quarterback he thought that's dynamic. And
Mike Rabel took a year off.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
So if you look at.
Speaker 1 (34:44):
Jim Harbaugh and you look at Ben Johnson and Mike Rabel,
they waited until in their mind, okay, that's a quarterback
I can win double digit games with. You can't predict
super Bowls. But that's a guy who win ten, eleven,
twelve games with. And that's when you jump. The Titans
have an O opening, dysfunction, Giants have an opening. I
(35:04):
wouldn't go back to New York. First of all, both
those organizations have dysfunction, and they don't have a ton
of momentous franchises, and that matters. But it's weird because
I've always thought a good coaching candidate, Now, Harball is
a great candidate.
Speaker 3 (35:19):
Rabel's a great candidate. Sala did get fired.
Speaker 1 (35:22):
Saula is a good coaching candidate, and a good coaching
candidate should be like a good actor, wait for the
right script. But both professions are weirdly insecure. Is that
good actors get They don't get called for the big movies.
They get an audition, right. They need to know a director.
(35:44):
And so it's easy for Matt Damon, who once told
his wife will take an extended break. I will unless
Christopher Nolan calls again, and he did for Oppenheimer. It's like, Okay,
I'm going back to work. Jim Harbaugh went, okay, Justin
Herbert is great. I'm leaving college football for that gig.
Mike Vrabel watched took a year off, watched Drake May
(36:06):
and said that looks a little like Tom without, you know,
with better movement. So I think Sala and it's a
it's a weird space. I think he should stay in
San Francisco for as long as he has to. There's
only been a handful of great job openings. Now, I
thought the Patriots was great owner Robert Kraft, Josh McDaniels,
the OC had failed at head coach, wanted to stay there.
(36:30):
And Drake May was super talented. And you had three
hundred million dollars of free agent money and you don't
have a lot of It's a good organization. That was
a great job. Mike McCarthy, Matt Lafleur getting Aaron Rodgers'
late prime, great job. I mean, Mike McCarthy getting Dak
in his prime. That's a pretty good job. Harbaugh to Herbert,
(36:50):
very good job. But I think I look at Robert
Sala and there's a weird thing about coaches. It's not
just the money, because he's made good money, not a
mazing money relative to what you know high end coaches make.
But I think he could work in college. He just
doesn't want to coach college. I think he'd be a
rock star in college. But that nil nonsense. You know,
(37:11):
a lot of coaches now are like, if you're gonna
pay players, just go coach the best players. But here's
Kyle Shanahan on his amazing defensive coordinator.
Speaker 11 (37:18):
I think Robert had a lot of opportunities to be
a decordinator. I think that was definitely one of them.
So just talking through that whole thing, and he got
close to I think a couple of head coach shops
in the time too. So he was definitely our first
choice and we were hoping that we would be his.
And that's a hot commodity and the way he carries
himself to how he is. I hope for us he's
(37:38):
not a head coach next year. But I also know
when you have the talent that's someone like Robert does,
it's only a matter of time.
Speaker 3 (37:46):
So he's coached the Jets.
Speaker 1 (37:48):
He's been in a bad movie with a bad director before,
in a bad script, so he didn't want to do
that again. So you have to be choosy and like
an interesting one, you say, oh what about what if
Joe and the Cincinnati job was available. I think Zach
Taylor's fine. I don't think he's McVeigh.
Speaker 3 (38:06):
He's fine.
Speaker 1 (38:07):
I don't think that's a great job because of ownership
and Joe Burrow's injuries. I do not think that's a
great job. Titans, like the quarterback not a great job.
There's folks, there's not as many good jobs as you think.
Like I think the ownership in Buffalo is strong, and
I think if they got bounced in the first round,
that would be one of the last great jobs in
(38:27):
the last five six years Buffalo.
Speaker 3 (38:29):
I'm not rooting for that to happen.
Speaker 1 (38:30):
I think Sean McDermott is is good and Brandon Bean
the GM is known as a very sharp cap guys.
He knows how to work his way around the math.
But you know at these coaches they want gigs. There
is a lot of good coaching going on in the NFL.
There is unbeliev I mean, think about this, the playoffs
are not going to have Mahomes, Burrow and maybe Lamar Jackson.
(38:53):
But you're gonna get Stafford and Aaron Rodgers and Caleb
and Vo Nicks and Trevor Lawrence and Justin Herbert and
Drake May and they're CJ. Stroud and you're gonna get
a lot of great quarterback play. So if you're not
gonna have Burrow, Lamar and Mahomes, you would think that's
a dent to the playoffs. Jalen Hurt's gonna be around.
Brock Perties absolutely on fire, great stories. I do like
(39:14):
Philadelphia to beat Buffalo over the weekend because I think
Josh Allen still dinged up.
Speaker 3 (39:20):
We can throw the schedule up at you want.
Speaker 1 (39:21):
It's not at the one o'clock window on Sunday does
not harken back to the great early windows in league history,
the best. I mean, you know Thursday, you know you're
getting backup quarterbacks. I do want to watch Detroit at Minnesota, so.
Speaker 8 (39:36):
Not just backups, Collin, Josh Johnson is a third stringer.
I know Max Brosmer is the third string rookie Alutacon
whoever that is is a third stringer. That those are brutal. Yeah,
this is a really weak slate.
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Saturday is great, though, Chargers, well, hold on, hold on,
Ravens have to win.
Speaker 3 (39:53):
It's the season.
Speaker 8 (39:54):
It's it's probably gonna be Josh Johnson or not Josh Johnson.
Who's the backup A Snoop Untley again, whoever Malik Willis has.
Speaker 1 (40:02):
Hurt tell Snoop Hanley and Malik Willis, there's an argument
those are the best backups in the league.
Speaker 8 (40:07):
We'll see. I think Texas Chargers is really really good. Sunday.
I'm circling that Panthers Seahawks game. Colin. I just sent
a request to our great statistician researcher.
Speaker 3 (40:20):
The play is Carolina plus seven.
Speaker 6 (40:22):
Yeh.
Speaker 8 (40:23):
But is there a money line play on it as well,
because we've seen some teams from the West coast go
east in November December and we really struggle.
Speaker 3 (40:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (40:31):
See well yeah, travel early is not travel late. Teams
are beat up. And it is interesting about when you
get this time in the NFL season and people Oways
bemoaned that we have all these backup quarterbacks. And this
is something I think, I know, I've been on this
for years, is of all the positions in the NFL,
(40:52):
we know quarterbacks most important. Left tackle either a pass rusher,
an elite pass rusher when you're front four to five
or two. I think the center. I think the center
is underrated. Corners overrated. Let me tell you another position
that's underrated, backup quarterback. If not for the quarterback room
and for three or four potential midgames moments
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