December 24, 2025 • 42 mins
NFL Films senior producer Greg Cosell joins Colin and discusses how Philip Rivers is still operating at quarterback at age 44, plus some film talk to preview the Bears and 49ers game on Sunday. Holiday gifts and stocking stuffers from Colin to his favorite NFL quarterbacks. Someone wants the Lamar Jackson story out – but who?
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Wherever you may be, However, you may be listening a
big story today before we get to great Cosel. Big
big story today breaking in Baltimore. Mike Preston, a respected
long term beat reporter that covers the Ravens, breaks the
story today that Lamar's falling asleep in meetings that you know,
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he's playing video games late into the night. When he
does show up to mandatory camp, he shows up for
a day, there is some belief as he's gotten Let's
be honest, now he's going to be twenty nine next year.
That was Cam's last great year. Now, I think Lamar
is a much better all time quarterback because I think
he's more consistent, I think he's more I just think
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Lamar is really an all time unique talent, but hyper
athletic athletes in any sport age faster than a guy
like Philip Rivers who can do it from the pocket. Right.
So I've always said Steph Curry will be able to
shoot threes until he's fifty. You know, the guys with
forty seven inch vertical jumps, they can age very very quickly.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So it's a very concerning story.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I've always been a huge fan of Lamar Jackson, but
next year his cap hit is twenty four percent of
Baltimore's cap bo Nix His is less than two percent,
Caleb Williams less than four percent. So the Ravens are
not a low self esteem franchise. I've talked about this
for year Cleveland, and I mean, they'll guarantee Deshan Watson's
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contract because they have such low sport self esteem. Baltimore
arguably best owner in the game, great owner, great coach,
great equity, great fans, unbelievable brand. I could absolutely see
them taking a phone call from the Raiders of the Dolphins.
Absolutely well, why would the Raiders and Dolphins do that?
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If you watched the Raiders play the last five years,
if you watched the Dolphins regressive quarterback this year. I've
always had a rule, there's about six quarterbacks in the league,
and I know I say this too often. I would
not even pick up the phone, no matter the offer.
I think Drake May's become one of those guys, obviously,
like Mahomes, Josh Allen. Then there's another six to eight
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guys that I'm not going to get on the phone
and call people. But I would take a call if
you offered me three firsts Lamar to me was always
in the first group.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Now he's transitioned.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
If this is true, and I trust Mike Preston, he's
in the second one, I'll take phone calls.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Then there's about.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Fifteen GMS, fifteen teams. You should get on the phone
and make calls to upgrade a quarterback. That's most of
the league. But Lamar was always one of those Herbert
you know, you know, Mahomes like untouchable, falling asleep at meetings,
you know, wants a new deal. Clearly has not. I mean,
this is just I as we can all see it.
He's getting banged up. It's the first time I've watched
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him and thought, where's the juice? I don't see it,
and he's like multiple injuries to multiple body parts.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's just fascinating with that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Greg Cosel forty six years NFL Films. Okay, let's talk
about somebody that's not hyper athletic. Philip Rivers, and I
think I think all of us who are I'm over
forty four, we can stop there. All of us who
are a little older watched Philip Rivers and it's hard
not to root for him.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Kyle Shanahan said, here's all I know. When we play,
he always throws to the right guy. That's a little underrated.
Sometimes what do you see with film?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Just before we start, I just want you to know,
Calhin that I can still shoot the three.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Just want to let you know that.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
And I'm older than fifty, so okay, But anyway, Philip River,
it just blows me away. The guy hasn't played in
five years. He looks exactly the same, you know, if
you want to reduce quarterback into its simplest terms, and
obviously much goes in to being able to do this correctly,
but he throws it to the right receiver at the
right time, with the right kind of throw, and he
just sees the field and sometimes and I know you've
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talked about this, I'm sure many times in all sports.
He's just one of those guys that innately sees the
field the right way. And you know, it's funny that
last interception that he made, you know, the one that
was returned for a touchdown that put the game away.
It was one of those things where he actually was
too quick with his reading of the coverage. He knew
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exactly what the coverage was, but he threw it too
quick quickly, so Winters, who was actually the flat defender
in cover three, he threw it so quickly that he
didn't give Winters a chance to get to his flat responsibility,
but he threw He is just it's remarkable to me.
I watch him and I'm totally in awe of just
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how he sees it, how he gets rid of the football.
I mean, doesn't he look exactly the same as he did,
you know when he was playing with the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
He was unathletic in his prime, So yes, I mean
I knew his GM Tom Celeasco and Tom's like his
last year with the Chargers, He's like, Yeah, he's probably
the least athletic quarterback in the league. He goes, We've
never really worried a lot about that, Like, that's just
not that's not what we lean into. Jared Goff's not
running around either, and he's thirty two TV's five picks.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Like, I mean, it's you know what, you know what
it's like. It's like if you if you're compairing it
to another sport. It's kind of like, you know, the
joker in Denver. I mean that guy. I've had people
tell me he may be the most unathletic player in
the NBA, and all he does is win MVPs every year.
I mean it just some guys just see it, feel it,
know how to play, and it's very innate.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
It's in their DNA, all right.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I want to talk Bears Niners play.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I was sort of taken back by the fact that
Christian McCaffrey had twenty seven touches. The Niners this year
are zero to four the week after he has at
least twenty seven touches.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
He had eight.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Touches in the he had eight touches in the fourth quarter.
I look at him and I'm like, Okay, they are
way too dependent on him. But when you watch film.
Does that come.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Across, Well, what comes across is how physical and hard
a runner he is. And it's an interesting point you made,
because he's just one of those guys. He's just Look,
he hasn't broken a lot of long runs this year,
and because of that, some people think he's lost his step.
But he runs so hard, and they use him in
the past game. I mean, obviously in the past game,
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they use him really well. He's a matchup nightmare. They
are very much a personnel and formation based offense, so
he lines up in multiple spots. Look, you see him
here beating guys, beating linebackers. That first touchdown he call
when he beat Pratt, I mean, I think that's the
one where we just saw. You know, they use him
in multiple ways, and they are so good with the
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use of motion. I'm sure when you watch them, you
see this motion and I wish I knew what they
called it, where Yuschek kind of lines up as a
tilted wing and then motions into the backfield and they
do about ten different things off of that. I mean,
they are very much a choreographed offense. You know, I
was watching that game and I got to tell you,
and it was almost a master class in two different
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ways of playing quarterback. You had Rivers, who is a
pre snap master of the position. He controls the game
before the ball is snap. Then you have Purdy who
is a post snap operator. He doesn't have anything to
do with setting protections, changing protections. He's a host snap operator.
So it's two different styles of quarterbacking and they both
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play at a very high level.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Okay, Caleb Williams did it again?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean I feel like I've asked you this question
a lot, but you know you can give me the
same result, but you can incrementally improve. Do you kind
of feel like the last eight weeks he's the same
guy or are these still these little tiny metric jumps,
little micro jumps or do you feel to if it's
been established what.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
He is, Well, you can always improve the mental part
of the game. And we're not in the building as
they're coaching him and they're working on that part of it.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
So that's hard to know.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
How Ben Johnson, who's obviously very good at designing a
pass offense with his use of formations, motions, shifts, route concepts,
so you can always improve and build upon that.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
That's the mental part. But when you just.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Talk about the physical part of the game, I mean,
you're dealing with a guy that has really high level
physical try I mean his ball, he just spins it.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
It's different than most guys.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We'll get to Justin Herbert he's another guy like that,
But Caleb Williams is like that. He just spins it
a little bit differently. He can make unbelievable throws on
the move. The ball comes out great. I mean that
winning touchdown throw was just ridiculous. I mean, and we're
looking at it now. I mean, you couldn't have handed
it to him any better. And that ball was I
don't know what's sixty yards in the air and obviously
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bad weather, so you know, yeah, there's always improvements to make,
but he's.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Clearly getting better. It's incremental each week.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
When you see a great thrower a great play, I
don't think you're surprised because he's got the physical traits
to do it. And I'm sure if Ben Johnson was
listening to our conversation, he could reel off five things
right away in which he needs to improve.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
But that's typical. He's only a second.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Year player and a first year player in the system,
but it's obvious what the physical traits are now.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
By the way, you were defending him early when he
was struggling a bit, you kept.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Saying to hear you say this much.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You're like, oh, I know is what I see, And
what I see is like crazy, Yeah, it's not Yeah,
I mean stuff I haven't seen before.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, And there's no question we get caught up a
lot in when you see a guy make a play
that is a special play physically. I mean we saw
cam Warden make one of those plays this week, running
to his left and throwing the ball forty yards on
a line at the sideline. You know, I mean there
are quarterbacks that are capable of doing that. Then there
are quarterbacks as you mentioned, like a River's or a gop.
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They're not going to make those plays, but they do
other things at a really high level.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, So Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence, you and I I loved him.
I got all because I love college football, so I got.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
All looked up on him.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And You're like, and I remember this very early. You're said,
you said, Josh Allen's way better. It's not close. And
I was like, okay, okay, okay, sure, whatever. Well, it's
obviously but it's obviously been established. But I will say
that some quarterbacks find the right mentor earlier. Sure, and
it does feel like Liam Cohen has unlocked something. What
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does the film say he is unlocked with Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
By the way, I'm used to yeah whatever. I got
a wife and two daughters. I get a lot of
yeah whatever.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
But the point is.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
The point is is that I think what you see,
Number one, you're seeing Lawrence play really decisively.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
So how does that come about?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
How does a quarterback go from sort of being stuck
too often in the pocket and not seeing it clearly
and not being decisive to being decisive? And You've talked
about this a lot. I talk about it all the
time because I'm such a big believer in coaching. So
how does that happen? What does it mean when we
say a guy is a good offensive coach? So it
starts with how he's taught. Then it gets down to
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what you see when you watch tape. It comes down
to personnel formations, motions, shift receiver splits, how you set
up routes so that the quarterback can be decisive. Just
being decisive doesn't come about because you say, hey, just
drop back and throw it. You have to feel good
throwing the ball. You have to feel like, hey, I
know exactly where I'm going to throw it based on
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this play call verse, whatever the anticipated coverage would be,
or if it's pure progression when my reads take me
through and all of a sudden, Trevor Lawrence looks really
decisive throwing the football. So it's a combination of he's
got obviously pretty good trades and the fact that Liam
Cohen really does a good job because don't forget, he
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came from the Rams. So it's a lot of the
Sean McVay stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So a lot of teams in the NFL, there's a
part of the team, like the Texans defense that jumps
off the film. Seattle has a lot of speed everywhere?
Is it the Seahawks offense or the Seahawks defense. When
you watch the film that you are going, Wow, that
feels that's better than what I see on most pieces
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of film.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because in
the summer I said to people that I thought the
Seahawks would have a really good defense. So I'm not
surprised now again, I didn't know how nick em and
Wari would fit into this, and right now he's sort
of the poster child for the concept of big nickel,
which a lot of teams play, where they play three
safeties instead of a third linebacker, and that becomes essentially
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both their base and their nickel defense. And m and
Wari has been such a critical piece of what they do.
But their defense has played exceptionally well. They're not a
high percentage blitz defense, but when they do, the principles
and the concepts are really good. They've got a lot
of players. You know, one thing I always notice. You
notice this with quarterbacks in particular, but I notice it
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with other positions. When you see a backup go in
the game. Colin have to play meaningful snaps over let's
say four or five six game period, and there appears
to be no drop off at all in the play
of that position and the play of the entire defense.
That tells me anyway that the coaching staff does a
great job. And we saw that in Seattle when Julian
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Love got hurt and they had to play Tayo Katta
number thirty nine, and he played really good football. So
that tells me that it's being coached really, really well,
and that's what you see when you watch this defense.
And of course they do have really good players. Byron
Murphy's come on in his second year. Leonard Williams is
a multi positional d lineman, Ernest Jones is a really
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good linebacker.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So you know they are really good.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I would say that their defense stands out to me
more than their offense. I'm not surprised by their passing game.
I think they want their run game to be more
than it is.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
All right, Eagles Bills is a headline game. I want
to really concentrate on the Eagles over the last two games.
Saquon Barkley last week it looked like last year if
they tweaked anything or is it bad competition?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Well, I think last week, in particular, their old line
played very well. It was the first game where I
thought their old line really moved people the way they
did a year ago. And because of that, I thought
Barkley was the most decisive that he's been all season consistently,
you know, not just with one run here and there,
but consistently. I thought he felt far more comfortable with
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what he saw. I thought his patience, his vision, and
then the short area burst was there. I mean, people
may be surprised that over the last three games Barkley
has the most carries in the NFL and the most
ten plus yard runs. That would probably surprise a lot
of people. And I think what they're doing on offense
and I think they'll continue doing this, and I think
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it makes sense against Buffalo for sure, is a lot
more no huddle and a lot more empty sets, which
really clears up the picture. And the reason I think
it'll it's a good thing to do against Buffalo is
because Sean McDermott is one of the best in the
league in terms of late coverage rotation, changing the picture
pre snap to post snap, and when you go no
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huddle and empty it's harder to do that defensively.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, anything you see with Buffalo in this matchup with Philadelphia,
anything their offense is doing that's different.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I mean, they're going to run the ball obviously. They
look we don't have to guess this, Colin. They told
you by the fact that they had Keon Coleman and
Gabe Davis as healthy scratches last week.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
We don't have to guess this. They're telling you.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
They're really not comfortable with their wide receiver position. They're
clearly a tight end based passing game. I think if
they can avoid as good as Josh Allen is, and
we know he's great, that's not my point at all,
but as great as he is, I think they feel
that the best way for them to play on offense
is to be able to run the ball with sustainability
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and consistency.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
That they just don't have enough.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
On the perimeter to really have him drop back forty
times a game and unlus the game demands it, which
of course we've seen games that demand it, and he's
been great because he's Josh Allen, But I don't think
that's the way they want to play by choice.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So Texans Chargers. I'm an understood USC homer, but I
remember talking to people in the league and saying, I'm
telling you Woody Marks is special, and when he doesn't play,
the Texans offense dries up really fast. But I want
to talk about their defense. Yeah, against they play the
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Chargers this week and the Chargers all line. Yeah, I
look at that, and I think, Okay, we got to
get a cape for Herbert because there's a bad matchup.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Let's talk a little.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Bit about what you see with the Texans in the
face the Chargers the matchup.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Look, and you and I both know that Jim Harbaugh
and Greg Rowman and that staff know that that's a mismatch.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
They know that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Now, that doesn't mean that every play they can control it,
because there are some plays where you know what Will
Anderson's going to beat somebody, or Daniel Hunter is going
to beat somebody, or even inside where they have very
good d tackles. But the Chargers staff knows that they're overmatched.
So I'm very curious to see how they go about
dealing with that because it's obvious everybody knows they're overmatched.
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But Herbert has been playing at a really high level.
I mean, they've got four really good receivers. Okay, I
mean Trey Harris, the rookie from Ole Miss has really
come on.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
He plays meaningful snaps.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
They will play big people, they will get physical, you know.
So they're a team that can can attack you in
multiple ways on offense. Now, whether their old line is
an issue in the game and prevents them from running
what they want to run, that remains to be seen.
But they are a pretty diverse offense with a lot
of good players other than their O line, and you know,
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so it's hard to know, quite frankly, how that's going
to play out in this game.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
It does justin Herbert have a weakness.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I don't really think he does.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I mean, look, I think if you talk to people
in the league, they would tell you that he's one
of those guys, you know, I mean the guys I've
been around him.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
You've probably seen him in person too. I mean, he's
a legit six five sixty six, he's a legit two
thirty five, two forty.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I mean the play we're going to show by the way,
you know, you hear all the time people say, well,
you a few quarterbacks can make that throw.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Normally when people say that, it's a bunch of garbage.
But you know, there are certain throws that are just
wow throws.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And he made one last week and we should just
go to it because it's this is.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
A wow throw.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I mean when I saw watching the tape, because I
probably saw it live too, But you know, when you're
watching it on Sunday, you're watching one hundred plays and
they just kind of roll over you.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
But when I'm watching the tape and I saw this.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I was like, WHOA, So this this was you know,
obviously last week and it was a fifty yard completion.
So you're going to see Herbert's in the gun here
and it's going to be trips to the wide side
of the field. And the two receivers that we want
to take note of are Johnston on the outside and
mconkie in the slot.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Now, the safety in the linebacker.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
On the defensive side of the ball are important here
because what's going to happen here, and we're seeing this
more and more in the league, is what we call
late coverage rotation, changing the picture. The safety will drop
deep as a half field player and the linebacker will
drop as a middle hole defender.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
They're going to play Cover two.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
So now what you're going to see that corner because
it's cover two. He's not going to drop to that
second box. He doesn't drop deep because he's a flat
defender in Cover two. So now let's go to the
route concept. It's going to be two verticals by Johnston
and McConkie, which is a very good concept against Cover two. Now,
they may not have known they were going to get
Cover two, but this is a good concept. So let's
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watch it map out as we play it out. So
what's going to happen is the safety kind of becomes
the conflict player here because you're getting two verticals and
he's a deep half player. And remember the corner on
the outside is not going to drop deep because it's
cover two. He's an underneath player, so he's not going
to carry Johnston.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
So now what you're.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Going to get is they actually do a great job
on defense, the safety and the linebacker passing off McConkie,
and the safety does a good job at Herbert is
going to climb the pocket here, so now he's going
to make this whole shot throw late. This is a
ridiculous throw. The safety can't get there. It's such a
good throw, and when you see it from another angle,
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you're just.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Going to see.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Like I said, you know, I'm not going to sit
here and say, gee, no one else can make this throw.
But the key thing here to me is he sees
this as a viable throw.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
I talk about this all the time.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
One of the things that there's no metric for, or
there's no stat for, is throws that should be made
that aren made, and throws that quarterbacks see as viable throws,
because not every quarterback would see that as a viable
throw because they know they're not comfortable making it. Obviously,
Herbert can make any throw.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, he is special.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
Texans, Chargers, Eagles, Bills, Niners, Bears. There's some great matchups.
Greg is a really good ones. Happy Holidays, thanks con
same to you.
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All right, you want to talk Pro Bowl? We got
more Pro Bowl stuff for you. Sam Darnold is a
Pro bowler. Colin your guys slinging semmy d He has
uh had a pretty damn good season. Seattle's the number
one seed. But it's weird. Everybody's saying, well, you know,
he kind of fails late and late in the season
in the playoffs. His head coach, mister McDonald, he disagrees.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, I think of big moments, was Sam.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
I'm thinking the guy that took us down the field
in San Francisco we needed one in, the guy that
scored that helped us win the game against Arizona at
the very end, I'm thinking of the guy that put
us in field goal range when we're on the minus
one against the Rams to go kick a field goal
to win it. I'm thinking of the guy that in
forty seconds took us down the field to kick a
game winning field low against the Colts. So I mean,
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show me the times where in big moments this guy hasn't,
you know, responded as a seahawk.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, you know it's funny. I hear this. I just
heard this the other day from a guy on the train.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, he said, he said, this guy, I think he
was talking about Caleb.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
He hasn't won a big game.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
For everybody out there, you do realize there's seventeen games
and they're almost all big because once you lose more
than five of them, your chance of making the playoffs
are small. I know you think big game is Super Bowl.
Caleb Williams has played the two Packer games are the
two biggest football games in his life.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like, so let's stop this.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well, Sam darn, every Rams game is big, They're all.
Every Niners game is a Seahawk quarterback is huge. Those
are big games.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I'm not going to do this. I'm not gonna slander
Sam Donald. I'm not going to challenge you on the
four interception game he had against the Rams in LA.
It's the holiday season, telling Let's move to the next story.
Let's go more Pro Bowl. Actually, I mean that's what
people are talking about right now. How about this Eagles
DC Vic Fangio. By the way, I have an interesting
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bet on Eagles Bills. We'll talk later. Eagles defensive coordinator
Vic Fangio says Pro Bowl voting needs an overhaul.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
I think they need to form a committee for the
Pro Bowl. Get a couple retired coaches, a couple retired
personnel guys, couple retired players that are we'll take pride
in it, and they name it. Not all everybody and
their mother's got.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Repoteh interesting, Well, his corners both made it.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Was there, freaking awesome Mitchell and Diseaster.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I feel pretty good.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
If you're Howie Roseman, you draft a couple of corners
one year both quickly become Pro Bowler, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
GMing.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Yeah, not a bad job. Uh, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
I mean, does he have a point. Do they need
a committee? They did approach me about voting on the
Pro Bowl, and I was like, I'm not doing it
like it's the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I think it's Pro Bowl Hall of Fame's I would
redo that stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't care much. I mean, I think I looked
at the list this morning. I looked at it yesterday
and this morning. I think they mostly get it right.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
I mean, listen, you know Martin on the staff, he's
really he's like did Jared Goff get snubbed for Donald
and he put the numbers side by side, and I'm like,
golf had a marginally better year.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And also Donald's team can be a number one seed,
so there is something well with cornerbacks, You're going to
be judged. Largely, it's the team over underachieving. Lions feel
like shouldn't they be better? The lead offensive guys, so.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
That some of its Plakoff's fault though the offensive line.
I mean they they they lost their center before the season.
You know, they never never figured that out, and the
secondary is hurt. So I don't know. I mean, I can't.
I just can't get that worked up about a Permon snub.
You know. Uh, final story call, Let's go back to
the Bears. We got I got a drug no no
no no jets in the in uh herd line this week.
But the Bears are hot, they're rolling. Caleb Williams was
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asked about all these crazy comebacks. I'll throw the word
lucky in there for you because you love that word. Uh. Anyways,
here's what Caleb said about this incredible season.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
You know, I do take a little satisfaction and and
things like that, and you know, being able to help
this team, help this organization be a part of it,
you know, to get to the playoffs. And you know,
my goal isn't to just get to the playoffs. My
goal is to win and win and win big. And
so you know, I'm gonna keep my head down. I'm
gonna keep growing, uh for the guys in this building,
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for the coaches and things like that, for this organization,
and and and for the city. UH to be able
to be proud and happy to be fans supporters of
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, you know, it's funny about luck. I do believe
luck exists. I just think everybody gets the same amount
over the course of their life of luck and dis
unluck and unlucky. And it's just some people aren't good
at taking advantage of the luck they get. Ian I've
only known one person in my life. I used to
laugh at this. His name was Randy Still, a friend
in Vegas. Every time we go to a golf tournament
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and you fill out those you know, you buy twenty
dollars worth of like tickets or something that he won
a golf bag every time or golf shoot. I used
to always say, I mean literally, I don't think he
ever bought anything. He won everything he had. He was
a great golfer. But I do think by and large,
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all sorts of quarterbacks have had these opportunities and they
just haven't made the place. Everybody gets equal amounts of luck.
Justin Herbert got a couple of coaches that weren't good,
then he got a great coach. Matt Stafford had a
couple of coaches that weren't elite, then he got McBay.
Over the course of time, you will get Sam Darnold
eventually got really good coaches. He just didn't get them
in New York. So eventually everybody gets some break.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
One hundred percent. Listen, if I win the Powerball drawing tonight,
I think it's like one point six billion dollars, that's luck.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Okay, Okay, it is.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
That is straight up luck.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Then revisit you in ten years, and if you lost
seventy percent.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Of it, you didn't take it advantage of me.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I ain't losing seventy percent of that. Yeah, I'm definitely not.
But like we talk careers, Colin, you know, I started
as an ink stained wretch. I was hated the newspaper industry.
Got lucky that I started a website started writing about
the media, including the guy I'm talking to here on
the show, and then I get lucky, and like, there's
different kinds of luck, and I would say, getting an
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onside kick Saturday night, Oh yeah, yeah, the rate of
onside kicks that have worked this season. That was look
Romeo on the handsteam.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But it should be noted when Dobbs touched it and
didn't secure it, there were six bears all over it. Fair.
I mean they were literally there was an army of
Bears all over it.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
So say what you want.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
The special teams coach for the Bears, they knew where
that ball was going. The kicker delivered it, Romeo Dobbs
had it hit his hand and there were like six
Bear jerseys in one packer jersey. So I even that,
you can say it's luck. How many onside kicks are
fielded cleanly? Not that many. There's a lot of bobbling.
He bobbled, boom bears everywhere.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Just remind people last year when the Chiefs were rolling
in the one score games, there was one man, one
loading voice in the wilderness saying how lucky they were
and they would have to pay the piper. And that's
like an old one they did this year and this
year it's happened. So I'm not saying the Bears are
going to regress next year with this one score stuff.
But keep an eye on another very fortunate team in
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the AFC with a quarterback you like a lot that
they've been They've been running hot in one score games
and you know that stuff evens out calling.
Speaker 3 (29:55):
Jmckle the news.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by third
line News.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
As a coach with a playoff team sort of on
the hot seat and some stalking stuffers we're passing out
around the NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
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Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, it is the giving season and it's always better
to be a giver, not a taker, and so I
thought i'd hand out a foo a few I don't know,
Gridiron gifts, NFL stocking stuffers, Jamack, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You give me?
Speaker 9 (31:04):
Ready?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
My friend weren't ready?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right?
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Go ahead, all right, Colin? First up? What's your gift
for Bills quarterback Josh Allen?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, he has scored thirty seven of the fifty two touchdowns.
How about a thra gun pro massage gun to sue
those sore muscles that have helped carry your franchise to
each and every win seventy one percent of offensive touchdowns
Buffalo has scored seventy one percent by Josh Allen? All right?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
What's your gift for Patriots quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Drake May Eleven games with one hundred plus passer rating
tie for the most in the league. How about a
lousy T shirt? Drake can't go home and MP handed
this year, so I got him May. I played an
MVP worthy season, but all I got was this lousy
T shirt. Second best odds after Stafford at twenty three
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years old to win an MVP.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
All right, what's your gift for Jets coach Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Inn Osha bulldozer certification. J Mack to your beloved Jets.
This franchise is as stable as a Jenga tower. Time
to tear it.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Down and rebuild already.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Oh what the heck is that?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
All right?
Speaker 6 (32:22):
What's your gift for Philip.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Rivers of the Colts. How about his own NFL franchise?
I mean Rivers and his ten kids. That's a starting eleven.
I've already got him eighth in my herd hierarchy. The
best family in the NFL, the Philip Rivers family deserve
their own franchise.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Okay, what do you give it? Travis Kelcey of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
You know I thought a lot about this. She did.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I'm gonna give Travis Kelcey a joint custody agreement for
the future, mister Taylor Swift, and the reason being is
that way mahomes can still have you on weekends.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Oh wow?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
That what's your gift for Jackson Dart?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'm gonna give Jackson Dart, who I like, a Fisher
Price playground. I know he's twenty two, but you're not
too old for this. Spend some time learning how to slide.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Learn how to slide?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Listen Five trips to the medical tent, learn how to slide.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Bro I like the hat backwards in that as well.
What's your gift for Caleb Williams?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Oh, this is easy Las Vegas residency. I mean he
may be the new King of Chicago, but he puts
on a Bruno Mars level show every week. Caleb Williams, Baby,
he is getting his own residency in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Well, all right, what are you giving your man crush
Jared Goff?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
How about a digital photo album so he can relive
all the great memories he had with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It's been a rough season.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Of Wow, that's ours and finally, be careful here, what
are you giving my guy Brock Purdi.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well, I thought about this, Jaymac, and you have been
one of his most ardent supporters. I'm giving him a
gift certificate to two to mastros So Jmack and Brock
pretty get table, white tablecloth talk endlessly about their favorite
person me two for dinner, taken Champagne are stocking stuffers.
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So the story of the day which emerged it emerged
today about halfway through the first hour is according to
Mike Preston, who's a very good, very serious, very respected
reporter for the Baltimore Ravens. Now, remember this is something
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you know, and I know stuff gets out when somebody
wants it out. Why did this story suddenly get out?
Lamar Jackson had a pretty disappointing last five or six weeks.
Right this year not been good, banged up comes back,
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not that he has fallen asleep in meetings, playing video
games at night. They moved their practices to mid afternoon
because Lamar doesn't like early morning practice. That when they
do criticize him, he shrinks, he would draws. He doesn't
like criticism. And Jamak brought this up. And I think
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both of us have always thought he's already good. Ive
always thought he's better in the pocket that he was
given credit for his said rookie year. He is more
runner than thrower. But he's gotten pretty good at that is.
His cap pit next year is massive, twenty four percent.
That is ungodly. His cap hit next year is twenty
four percent of the Ravens hap bo Nick's denver one
(36:02):
point seven percent, Caleb Williams three point six percent. That
is unbelievable. Your hands are tight as a GM. Your
hands are tight as a coach. If you have injuries,
you're down to third stringers.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
So uh. There are some quotes here in.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
The article that will put up I am a fan
of Lamar Jackson. One of the quotes, A major problem,
a lot of it on the Ravens is that there
are team rules and then there are rules for Jackson. Well,
I'll defend him a little there. Once the Ravens become
critical of him, he becomes more withdrawn. It's clear the
coach Harbaugh has become tired of Jackson. Nick Wright, for
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the record, has been on this for a lot of
the year, and Mike Preston is a very respected guy,
so you know the injuries are piling up next. He's
always been hyper athletic. Now Mahomes and Josh Allen are
athletic too, but they're also unbelievable all time guys in
the pocket.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Lamar is good in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
But he really his secret sauce has always been he's
the most elusive quarterback, the fastest quarterback I've ever seen.
It's hard to even put two or three guys in
the history of football in his class. And that's his
secret sauce. And it's not that big of a secret.
He's just hard to prepare for ohwas dominated the NFC
teams which don't see him very often. If you see
him for a first time, it's just hard to comprehend
how elusive he is. So but now the injuries are
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piling up. He's a massive cap hit. He's withdrawing when
there's criticism his window. And you know the NFL, you
know in basketball and baseball and mostly in hockey, you're
not being tackled. So you know, for offensive players, a
lot of these offensive skill players, your windows are quick.
Cam Newton's last great year twenty nine, Cam was a
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better athlete than he was a sit in a pocket,
pre snap audible guy. He was just an absolutely mammoth
great athlete. He aged very fast, big bend to me
aged fast. Aaron Rodgers forty two, still slick because Aaron's
great pocket, Stafford Brady Breeze.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
So he is.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I do think he has now become the kind of
quarterback that is still Pro Bowl level in his best years.
But is he somebody that the Ravens would take a
call on. Now, let me throw another quarterback out, Joe Burrow. Okay,
I would never take a call on Joe Burrow. But
after his third injury, I'd take a call. I would
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not take a call on Drake May, Justin Herbert, Patrick, Mahomes,
Josh Allen. I wouldn't take a call on Bonix and
Caleb right now because they're such small percentages of the
cap and they're very good young quarterbacks. I'm not taking
a call. But there's always about six or seven guys.
Lamar was one of them. You just don't even pick
up the phone. I think he's moved it into the
group of the next six or seven.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
So Colin I was just digging into, like we've talked
about this all week, the cap situation, right, So once
you pay Lamar, you have to get ready and say, hey,
we got to move off these guys with the Chiefs
and Mahomes, they lose their offensive line. You see the
result this year. I was just looking so Baltimore essentially
coming into the season, bet on a twenty twenty two
to fourth rounder and a twenty twenty three seventh rounder
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on their offensive line because they could not afford Morgan
Moses John Simson, good call. Those young guys in the
draft did not pan out, right, You only get a
couple swings in the draft, So when the offensive line
doesn't work and Lamar is injured, all of a sudden,
you've got like nothing, and that we saw it with
the Chiefs. I'm just really curious what's gonna happen with
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that offensive line on the Bengals. It already isn't great.
Borrow got hurt again.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I mean, if you're the Miami Dolphins of the Raiders,
do you not make a call?
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Oh? Of course you do. I would not be surprised
if already calls were not made. Now, we don't know
what about the Dolphins with their GM situation. They ran
him off. But if i'm McDaniel, I'm like, guys, Lamar
jack you could be Lamar Jackson. You got to keep me.
I think that helps McDaniel's cause. Raiders are interesting because
if you get the chance to coach Lamar. I mean,
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I don't think they keep Pete Carroll. Sorry, I know
you guys are friendly. I don't see that happening, but yeah,
I would probably trade that number one or number two
pick of Mendoza enroll with Lamar if I was the Raiders.
They need to sell tickets, they want to be on television.
You know, they're not getting any prime time games.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
No. And here's the thing, folks, I've never understood this
criticism of people.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
New information equals new opinion. Period.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
We didn't know this, We didn't know what was going on.
Teams trying to hide this stuff. So why does it
get out? Because the Ravens want it out. That's why
stuff get up. We've all had secrets in our life
that don't get out. You know, Companies don't want them
out right. When stuff leaks, it's because they want it out.
And I mean, we find out a lot of stuff
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during the Belichick Brady era that didn't get out until
there was a divorce between Brady and Belichick. And then
Seth Wickersham write book, you know, Connor writes a book,
Jeff Benedict. Then all the books come out, you know,
as the relationship gets worn down in the last couple
of years together. And then eventually, you know, Brady goes
to Tampa. So I think when when stuff gets out,
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there's there's people that, you know, because some of this
is Harbaugh's getting ripped, Harpball's getting criticized, the front office
is getting criticized, and they're like front office in Baltimore.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
It's not on us, it's not all.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Us, guys, time out. It is not all us.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
So Mike Preston's a very good reporter, and during the
breaks we've been kind of going back and forth on
this story, and I think, yeah, I think you get
new information. And if you're literally rigid, stubborn and dumb,
if you're getting information and not using it, it's like
George Pickens in week seven, Oh my god, this is amazing.
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George Pickens in week thirteen, always pouting new information, adjust
to it. So I this is a massive story from
one of the top three or four or five quarterbacks
in this league the last several years.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
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Speaker 1 (00:33):
Wherever you may be, However, you may be listening a
big story today before we get to great Cosel. Big
big story today breaking in Baltimore. Mike Preston, a respected
long term beat reporter that covers the Ravens, breaks the
story today that Lamar's falling asleep in meetings that you know,
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he's playing video games late into the night. When he
does show up to mandatory camp, he shows up for
a day, there is some belief as he's gotten Let's
be honest, now he's going to be twenty nine next year.
That was Cam's last great year. Now, I think Lamar
is a much better all time quarterback because I think
he's more consistent, I think he's more I just think
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Lamar is really an all time unique talent, but hyper
athletic athletes in any sport age faster than a guy
like Philip Rivers who can do it from the pocket. Right.
So I've always said Steph Curry will be able to
shoot threes until he's fifty. You know, the guys with
forty seven inch vertical jumps, they can age very very quickly.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
So it's a very concerning story.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
I've always been a huge fan of Lamar Jackson, but
next year his cap hit is twenty four percent of
Baltimore's cap bo Nix His is less than two percent,
Caleb Williams less than four percent. So the Ravens are
not a low self esteem franchise. I've talked about this
for year Cleveland, and I mean, they'll guarantee Deshan Watson's
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contract because they have such low sport self esteem. Baltimore
arguably best owner in the game, great owner, great coach,
great equity, great fans, unbelievable brand. I could absolutely see
them taking a phone call from the Raiders of the Dolphins.
Absolutely well, why would the Raiders and Dolphins do that?
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If you watched the Raiders play the last five years,
if you watched the Dolphins regressive quarterback this year. I've
always had a rule, there's about six quarterbacks in the league,
and I know I say this too often. I would
not even pick up the phone, no matter the offer.
I think Drake May's become one of those guys, obviously,
like Mahomes, Josh Allen. Then there's another six to eight
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guys that I'm not going to get on the phone
and call people. But I would take a call if
you offered me three firsts Lamar to me was always
in the first group.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Now he's transitioned.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
If this is true, and I trust Mike Preston, he's
in the second one, I'll take phone calls.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
Then there's about.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Fifteen GMS, fifteen teams. You should get on the phone
and make calls to upgrade a quarterback. That's most of
the league. But Lamar was always one of those Herbert
you know, you know, Mahomes like untouchable, falling asleep at meetings,
you know, wants a new deal. Clearly has not. I mean,
this is just I as we can all see it.
He's getting banged up. It's the first time I've watched
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him and thought, where's the juice? I don't see it,
and he's like multiple injuries to multiple body parts.
Speaker 3 (03:33):
It's just fascinating with that.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
Greg Cosel forty six years NFL Films. Okay, let's talk
about somebody that's not hyper athletic. Philip Rivers, and I
think I think all of us who are I'm over
forty four, we can stop there. All of us who
are a little older watched Philip Rivers and it's hard
not to root for him.
Speaker 3 (03:56):
You know.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Kyle Shanahan said, here's all I know. When we play,
he always throws to the right guy. That's a little underrated.
Sometimes what do you see with film?
Speaker 4 (04:08):
Just before we start, I just want you to know,
Calhin that I can still shoot the three.
Speaker 5 (04:11):
Just want to let you know that.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
And I'm older than fifty, so okay, But anyway, Philip River,
it just blows me away. The guy hasn't played in
five years. He looks exactly the same, you know, if
you want to reduce quarterback into its simplest terms, and
obviously much goes in to being able to do this correctly,
but he throws it to the right receiver at the
right time, with the right kind of throw, and he
just sees the field and sometimes and I know you've
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talked about this, I'm sure many times in all sports.
He's just one of those guys that innately sees the
field the right way. And you know, it's funny that
last interception that he made, you know, the one that
was returned for a touchdown that put the game away.
It was one of those things where he actually was
too quick with his reading of the coverage. He knew
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exactly what the coverage was, but he threw it too
quick quickly, so Winters, who was actually the flat defender
in cover three, he threw it so quickly that he
didn't give Winters a chance to get to his flat responsibility,
but he threw He is just it's remarkable to me.
I watch him and I'm totally in awe of just
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how he sees it, how he gets rid of the football.
I mean, doesn't he look exactly the same as he did,
you know when he was playing with the Chargers.
Speaker 5 (05:25):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
He was unathletic in his prime, So yes, I mean
I knew his GM Tom Celeasco and Tom's like his
last year with the Chargers, He's like, Yeah, he's probably
the least athletic quarterback in the league. He goes, We've
never really worried a lot about that, Like, that's just
not that's not what we lean into. Jared Goff's not
running around either, and he's thirty two TV's five picks.
Speaker 4 (05:46):
Like, I mean, it's you know what, you know what
it's like. It's like if you if you're compairing it
to another sport. It's kind of like, you know, the
joker in Denver. I mean that guy. I've had people
tell me he may be the most unathletic player in
the NBA, and all he does is win MVPs every year.
I mean it just some guys just see it, feel it,
know how to play, and it's very innate.
Speaker 5 (06:06):
It's in their DNA, all right.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
I want to talk Bears Niners play.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
I was sort of taken back by the fact that
Christian McCaffrey had twenty seven touches. The Niners this year
are zero to four the week after he has at
least twenty seven touches.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
He had eight.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
Touches in the he had eight touches in the fourth quarter.
I look at him and I'm like, Okay, they are
way too dependent on him. But when you watch film.
Does that come.
Speaker 4 (06:35):
Across, Well, what comes across is how physical and hard
a runner he is. And it's an interesting point you made,
because he's just one of those guys. He's just Look,
he hasn't broken a lot of long runs this year,
and because of that, some people think he's lost his step.
But he runs so hard, and they use him in
the past game. I mean, obviously in the past game,
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they use him really well. He's a matchup nightmare. They
are very much a personnel and formation based offense, so
he lines up in multiple spots. Look, you see him
here beating guys, beating linebackers. That first touchdown he call
when he beat Pratt, I mean, I think that's the
one where we just saw. You know, they use him
in multiple ways, and they are so good with the
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use of motion. I'm sure when you watch them, you
see this motion and I wish I knew what they
called it, where Yuschek kind of lines up as a
tilted wing and then motions into the backfield and they
do about ten different things off of that. I mean,
they are very much a choreographed offense. You know, I
was watching that game and I got to tell you,
and it was almost a master class in two different
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ways of playing quarterback. You had Rivers, who is a
pre snap master of the position. He controls the game
before the ball is snap. Then you have Purdy who
is a post snap operator. He doesn't have anything to
do with setting protections, changing protections. He's a host snap operator.
So it's two different styles of quarterbacking and they both
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play at a very high level.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Okay, Caleb Williams did it again?
Speaker 5 (08:11):
Yep.
Speaker 1 (08:12):
I mean I feel like I've asked you this question
a lot, but you know you can give me the
same result, but you can incrementally improve. Do you kind
of feel like the last eight weeks he's the same
guy or are these still these little tiny metric jumps,
little micro jumps or do you feel to if it's
been established what.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
He is, Well, you can always improve the mental part
of the game. And we're not in the building as
they're coaching him and they're working on that part of it.
Speaker 5 (08:38):
So that's hard to know.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
How Ben Johnson, who's obviously very good at designing a
pass offense with his use of formations, motions, shifts, route concepts,
so you can always improve and build upon that.
Speaker 5 (08:52):
That's the mental part. But when you just.
Speaker 4 (08:54):
Talk about the physical part of the game, I mean,
you're dealing with a guy that has really high level
physical try I mean his ball, he just spins it.
Speaker 5 (09:02):
It's different than most guys.
Speaker 4 (09:04):
We'll get to Justin Herbert he's another guy like that,
But Caleb Williams is like that. He just spins it
a little bit differently. He can make unbelievable throws on
the move. The ball comes out great. I mean that
winning touchdown throw was just ridiculous. I mean, and we're
looking at it now. I mean, you couldn't have handed
it to him any better. And that ball was I
don't know what's sixty yards in the air and obviously
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bad weather, so you know, yeah, there's always improvements to make,
but he's.
Speaker 5 (09:32):
Clearly getting better. It's incremental each week.
Speaker 4 (09:34):
When you see a great thrower a great play, I
don't think you're surprised because he's got the physical traits
to do it. And I'm sure if Ben Johnson was
listening to our conversation, he could reel off five things
right away in which he needs to improve.
Speaker 5 (09:47):
But that's typical. He's only a second.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Year player and a first year player in the system,
but it's obvious what the physical traits are now.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
By the way, you were defending him early when he
was struggling a bit, you kept.
Speaker 3 (09:58):
Saying to hear you say this much.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
You're like, oh, I know is what I see, And
what I see is like crazy, Yeah, it's not Yeah,
I mean stuff I haven't seen before.
Speaker 4 (10:09):
Yeah, And there's no question we get caught up a
lot in when you see a guy make a play
that is a special play physically. I mean we saw
cam Warden make one of those plays this week, running
to his left and throwing the ball forty yards on
a line at the sideline. You know, I mean there
are quarterbacks that are capable of doing that. Then there
are quarterbacks as you mentioned, like a River's or a gop.
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They're not going to make those plays, but they do
other things at a really high level.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
Okay, So Jacksonville, Trevor Lawrence, you and I I loved him.
I got all because I love college football, so I got.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
All looked up on him.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
And You're like, and I remember this very early. You're said,
you said, Josh Allen's way better. It's not close. And
I was like, okay, okay, okay, sure, whatever. Well, it's
obviously but it's obviously been established. But I will say
that some quarterbacks find the right mentor earlier. Sure, and
it does feel like Liam Cohen has unlocked something. What
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does the film say he is unlocked with Trevor Lawrence?
Speaker 4 (11:10):
By the way, I'm used to yeah whatever. I got
a wife and two daughters. I get a lot of
yeah whatever.
Speaker 5 (11:15):
But the point is.
Speaker 4 (11:17):
The point is is that I think what you see,
Number one, you're seeing Lawrence play really decisively.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
So how does that come about?
Speaker 4 (11:24):
How does a quarterback go from sort of being stuck
too often in the pocket and not seeing it clearly
and not being decisive to being decisive? And You've talked
about this a lot. I talk about it all the
time because I'm such a big believer in coaching. So
how does that happen? What does it mean when we
say a guy is a good offensive coach? So it
starts with how he's taught. Then it gets down to
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what you see when you watch tape. It comes down
to personnel formations, motions, shift receiver splits, how you set
up routes so that the quarterback can be decisive. Just
being decisive doesn't come about because you say, hey, just
drop back and throw it. You have to feel good
throwing the ball. You have to feel like, hey, I
know exactly where I'm going to throw it based on
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this play call verse, whatever the anticipated coverage would be,
or if it's pure progression when my reads take me
through and all of a sudden, Trevor Lawrence looks really
decisive throwing the football. So it's a combination of he's
got obviously pretty good trades and the fact that Liam
Cohen really does a good job because don't forget, he
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came from the Rams. So it's a lot of the
Sean McVay stuff.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
So a lot of teams in the NFL, there's a
part of the team, like the Texans defense that jumps
off the film. Seattle has a lot of speed everywhere?
Is it the Seahawks offense or the Seahawks defense. When
you watch the film that you are going, Wow, that
feels that's better than what I see on most pieces
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of film.
Speaker 4 (12:56):
Well, you know, it's funny you say that, because in
the summer I said to people that I thought the
Seahawks would have a really good defense. So I'm not
surprised now again, I didn't know how nick em and
Wari would fit into this, and right now he's sort
of the poster child for the concept of big nickel,
which a lot of teams play, where they play three
safeties instead of a third linebacker, and that becomes essentially
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both their base and their nickel defense. And m and
Wari has been such a critical piece of what they do.
But their defense has played exceptionally well. They're not a
high percentage blitz defense, but when they do, the principles
and the concepts are really good. They've got a lot
of players. You know, one thing I always notice. You
notice this with quarterbacks in particular, but I notice it
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with other positions. When you see a backup go in
the game. Colin have to play meaningful snaps over let's
say four or five six game period, and there appears
to be no drop off at all in the play
of that position and the play of the entire defense.
That tells me anyway that the coaching staff does a
great job. And we saw that in Seattle when Julian
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Love got hurt and they had to play Tayo Katta
number thirty nine, and he played really good football. So
that tells me that it's being coached really, really well,
and that's what you see when you watch this defense.
And of course they do have really good players. Byron
Murphy's come on in his second year. Leonard Williams is
a multi positional d lineman, Ernest Jones is a really
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good linebacker.
Speaker 5 (14:21):
So you know they are really good.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
I would say that their defense stands out to me
more than their offense. I'm not surprised by their passing game.
I think they want their run game to be more
than it is.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
All right, Eagles Bills is a headline game. I want
to really concentrate on the Eagles over the last two games.
Saquon Barkley last week it looked like last year if
they tweaked anything or is it bad competition?
Speaker 4 (14:47):
Well, I think last week, in particular, their old line
played very well. It was the first game where I
thought their old line really moved people the way they
did a year ago. And because of that, I thought
Barkley was the most decisive that he's been all season consistently,
you know, not just with one run here and there,
but consistently. I thought he felt far more comfortable with
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what he saw. I thought his patience, his vision, and
then the short area burst was there. I mean, people
may be surprised that over the last three games Barkley
has the most carries in the NFL and the most
ten plus yard runs. That would probably surprise a lot
of people. And I think what they're doing on offense
and I think they'll continue doing this, and I think
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it makes sense against Buffalo for sure, is a lot
more no huddle and a lot more empty sets, which
really clears up the picture. And the reason I think
it'll it's a good thing to do against Buffalo is
because Sean McDermott is one of the best in the
league in terms of late coverage rotation, changing the picture
pre snap to post snap, and when you go no
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huddle and empty it's harder to do that defensively.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Yeah, anything you see with Buffalo in this matchup with Philadelphia,
anything their offense is doing that's different.
Speaker 4 (16:00):
I mean, they're going to run the ball obviously. They
look we don't have to guess this, Colin. They told
you by the fact that they had Keon Coleman and
Gabe Davis as healthy scratches last week.
Speaker 5 (16:12):
We don't have to guess this. They're telling you.
Speaker 4 (16:14):
They're really not comfortable with their wide receiver position. They're
clearly a tight end based passing game. I think if
they can avoid as good as Josh Allen is, and
we know he's great, that's not my point at all,
but as great as he is, I think they feel
that the best way for them to play on offense
is to be able to run the ball with sustainability
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and consistency.
Speaker 5 (16:36):
That they just don't have enough.
Speaker 4 (16:37):
On the perimeter to really have him drop back forty
times a game and unlus the game demands it, which
of course we've seen games that demand it, and he's
been great because he's Josh Allen, But I don't think
that's the way they want to play by choice.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
So Texans Chargers. I'm an understood USC homer, but I
remember talking to people in the league and saying, I'm
telling you Woody Marks is special, and when he doesn't play,
the Texans offense dries up really fast. But I want
to talk about their defense. Yeah, against they play the
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Chargers this week and the Chargers all line. Yeah, I
look at that, and I think, Okay, we got to
get a cape for Herbert because there's a bad matchup.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Let's talk a little.
Speaker 1 (17:21):
Bit about what you see with the Texans in the
face the Chargers the matchup.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
Look, and you and I both know that Jim Harbaugh
and Greg Rowman and that staff know that that's a mismatch.
Speaker 5 (17:32):
They know that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
Now, that doesn't mean that every play they can control it,
because there are some plays where you know what Will
Anderson's going to beat somebody, or Daniel Hunter is going
to beat somebody, or even inside where they have very
good d tackles. But the Chargers staff knows that they're overmatched.
So I'm very curious to see how they go about
dealing with that because it's obvious everybody knows they're overmatched.
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But Herbert has been playing at a really high level.
I mean, they've got four really good receivers. Okay, I
mean Trey Harris, the rookie from Ole Miss has really
come on.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
He plays meaningful snaps.
Speaker 4 (18:05):
They will play big people, they will get physical, you know.
So they're a team that can can attack you in
multiple ways on offense. Now, whether their old line is
an issue in the game and prevents them from running
what they want to run, that remains to be seen.
But they are a pretty diverse offense with a lot
of good players other than their O line, and you know,
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so it's hard to know, quite frankly, how that's going
to play out in this game.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
It does justin Herbert have a weakness.
Speaker 5 (18:36):
I don't really think he does.
Speaker 4 (18:38):
I mean, look, I think if you talk to people
in the league, they would tell you that he's one
of those guys, you know, I mean the guys I've
been around him.
Speaker 5 (18:45):
You've probably seen him in person too. I mean, he's
a legit six five sixty six, he's a legit two
thirty five, two forty.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
I mean the play we're going to show by the way,
you know, you hear all the time people say, well,
you a few quarterbacks can make that throw.
Speaker 5 (18:58):
Normally when people say that, it's a bunch of garbage.
But you know, there are certain throws that are just
wow throws.
Speaker 4 (19:04):
And he made one last week and we should just
go to it because it's this is.
Speaker 5 (19:08):
A wow throw.
Speaker 4 (19:09):
I mean when I saw watching the tape, because I
probably saw it live too, But you know, when you're
watching it on Sunday, you're watching one hundred plays and
they just kind of roll over you.
Speaker 5 (19:17):
But when I'm watching the tape and I saw this.
Speaker 4 (19:19):
I was like, WHOA, So this this was you know,
obviously last week and it was a fifty yard completion.
So you're going to see Herbert's in the gun here
and it's going to be trips to the wide side
of the field. And the two receivers that we want
to take note of are Johnston on the outside and
mconkie in the slot.
Speaker 5 (19:36):
Now, the safety in the linebacker.
Speaker 4 (19:37):
On the defensive side of the ball are important here
because what's going to happen here, and we're seeing this
more and more in the league, is what we call
late coverage rotation, changing the picture. The safety will drop
deep as a half field player and the linebacker will
drop as a middle hole defender.
Speaker 5 (19:53):
They're going to play Cover two.
Speaker 4 (19:55):
So now what you're going to see that corner because
it's cover two. He's not going to drop to that
second box. He doesn't drop deep because he's a flat
defender in Cover two. So now let's go to the
route concept. It's going to be two verticals by Johnston
and McConkie, which is a very good concept against Cover two. Now,
they may not have known they were going to get
Cover two, but this is a good concept. So let's
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watch it map out as we play it out. So
what's going to happen is the safety kind of becomes
the conflict player here because you're getting two verticals and
he's a deep half player. And remember the corner on
the outside is not going to drop deep because it's
cover two. He's an underneath player, so he's not going
to carry Johnston.
Speaker 5 (20:36):
So now what you're.
Speaker 4 (20:37):
Going to get is they actually do a great job
on defense, the safety and the linebacker passing off McConkie,
and the safety does a good job at Herbert is
going to climb the pocket here, so now he's going
to make this whole shot throw late. This is a
ridiculous throw. The safety can't get there. It's such a
good throw, and when you see it from another angle,
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you're just.
Speaker 5 (20:59):
Going to see.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Like I said, you know, I'm not going to sit
here and say, gee, no one else can make this throw.
But the key thing here to me is he sees
this as a viable throw.
Speaker 5 (21:08):
I talk about this all the time.
Speaker 4 (21:10):
One of the things that there's no metric for, or
there's no stat for, is throws that should be made
that aren made, and throws that quarterbacks see as viable throws,
because not every quarterback would see that as a viable
throw because they know they're not comfortable making it. Obviously,
Herbert can make any throw.
Speaker 3 (21:30):
Yeah, he is special.
Speaker 1 (21:32):
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Speaker 6 (22:33):
All right, you want to talk Pro Bowl? We got
more Pro Bowl stuff for you. Sam Darnold is a
Pro bowler. Colin your guys slinging semmy d He has
uh had a pretty damn good season. Seattle's the number
one seed. But it's weird. Everybody's saying, well, you know,
he kind of fails late and late in the season
in the playoffs. His head coach, mister McDonald, he disagrees.
Speaker 3 (22:54):
Well, I think of big moments, was Sam.
Speaker 8 (22:55):
I'm thinking the guy that took us down the field
in San Francisco we needed one in, the guy that
scored that helped us win the game against Arizona at
the very end, I'm thinking of the guy that put
us in field goal range when we're on the minus
one against the Rams to go kick a field goal
to win it. I'm thinking of the guy that in
forty seconds took us down the field to kick a
game winning field low against the Colts. So I mean,
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show me the times where in big moments this guy hasn't,
you know, responded as a seahawk.
Speaker 3 (23:24):
Yeah, you know it's funny. I hear this. I just
heard this the other day from a guy on the train.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
Well, he said, he said, this guy, I think he
was talking about Caleb.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
He hasn't won a big game.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
For everybody out there, you do realize there's seventeen games
and they're almost all big because once you lose more
than five of them, your chance of making the playoffs
are small. I know you think big game is Super Bowl.
Caleb Williams has played the two Packer games are the
two biggest football games in his life.
Speaker 3 (23:58):
Like, so let's stop this.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
Well, Sam darn, every Rams game is big, They're all.
Every Niners game is a Seahawk quarterback is huge. Those
are big games.
Speaker 6 (24:12):
I'm not going to do this. I'm not gonna slander
Sam Donald. I'm not going to challenge you on the
four interception game he had against the Rams in LA.
It's the holiday season, telling Let's move to the next story.
Let's go more Pro Bowl. Actually, I mean that's what
people are talking about right now. How about this Eagles
DC Vic Fangio. By the way, I have an interesting
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bet on Eagles Bills. We'll talk later. Eagles defensive coordinator
Vic Fangio says Pro Bowl voting needs an overhaul.
Speaker 10 (24:41):
I think they need to form a committee for the
Pro Bowl. Get a couple retired coaches, a couple retired
personnel guys, couple retired players that are we'll take pride
in it, and they name it. Not all everybody and
their mother's got.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Repoteh interesting, Well, his corners both made it.
Speaker 6 (25:02):
Was there, freaking awesome Mitchell and Diseaster.
Speaker 3 (25:05):
I feel pretty good.
Speaker 1 (25:06):
If you're Howie Roseman, you draft a couple of corners
one year both quickly become Pro Bowler, that's pretty good.
Speaker 3 (25:13):
GMing.
Speaker 6 (25:13):
Yeah, not a bad job. Uh, it's interesting.
Speaker 3 (25:16):
I don't know.
Speaker 6 (25:17):
I mean, does he have a point. Do they need
a committee? They did approach me about voting on the
Pro Bowl, and I was like, I'm not doing it
like it's the Pro Bowl.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
I think it's Pro Bowl Hall of Fame's I would
redo that stuff.
Speaker 3 (25:30):
Pro Bowls.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
I don't care much. I mean, I think I looked
at the list this morning. I looked at it yesterday
and this morning. I think they mostly get it right.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
I mean, listen, you know Martin on the staff, he's
really he's like did Jared Goff get snubbed for Donald
and he put the numbers side by side, and I'm like,
golf had a marginally better year.
Speaker 1 (25:48):
And also Donald's team can be a number one seed,
so there is something well with cornerbacks, You're going to
be judged. Largely, it's the team over underachieving. Lions feel
like shouldn't they be better? The lead offensive guys, so.
Speaker 6 (26:01):
That some of its Plakoff's fault though the offensive line.
I mean they they they lost their center before the season.
You know, they never never figured that out, and the
secondary is hurt. So I don't know. I mean, I can't.
I just can't get that worked up about a Permon snub.
You know. Uh, final story call, Let's go back to
the Bears. We got I got a drug no no
no no jets in the in uh herd line this week.
But the Bears are hot, they're rolling. Caleb Williams was
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asked about all these crazy comebacks. I'll throw the word
lucky in there for you because you love that word. Uh. Anyways,
here's what Caleb said about this incredible season.
Speaker 9 (26:33):
You know, I do take a little satisfaction and and
things like that, and you know, being able to help
this team, help this organization be a part of it,
you know, to get to the playoffs. And you know,
my goal isn't to just get to the playoffs. My
goal is to win and win and win big. And
so you know, I'm gonna keep my head down. I'm
gonna keep growing, uh for the guys in this building,
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for the coaches and things like that, for this organization,
and and and for the city. UH to be able
to be proud and happy to be fans supporters of
Chicago Bears.
Speaker 1 (27:04):
Yeah, you know, it's funny about luck. I do believe
luck exists. I just think everybody gets the same amount
over the course of their life of luck and dis
unluck and unlucky. And it's just some people aren't good
at taking advantage of the luck they get. Ian I've
only known one person in my life. I used to
laugh at this. His name was Randy Still, a friend
in Vegas. Every time we go to a golf tournament
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and you fill out those you know, you buy twenty
dollars worth of like tickets or something that he won
a golf bag every time or golf shoot. I used
to always say, I mean literally, I don't think he
ever bought anything. He won everything he had. He was
a great golfer. But I do think by and large,
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all sorts of quarterbacks have had these opportunities and they
just haven't made the place. Everybody gets equal amounts of luck.
Justin Herbert got a couple of coaches that weren't good,
then he got a great coach. Matt Stafford had a
couple of coaches that weren't elite, then he got McBay.
Over the course of time, you will get Sam Darnold
eventually got really good coaches. He just didn't get them
in New York. So eventually everybody gets some break.
Speaker 6 (28:08):
One hundred percent. Listen, if I win the Powerball drawing tonight,
I think it's like one point six billion dollars, that's luck.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Okay, Okay, it is.
Speaker 6 (28:15):
That is straight up luck.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Then revisit you in ten years, and if you lost
seventy percent.
Speaker 3 (28:21):
Of it, you didn't take it advantage of me.
Speaker 6 (28:23):
I ain't losing seventy percent of that. Yeah, I'm definitely not.
But like we talk careers, Colin, you know, I started
as an ink stained wretch. I was hated the newspaper industry.
Got lucky that I started a website started writing about
the media, including the guy I'm talking to here on
the show, and then I get lucky, and like, there's
different kinds of luck, and I would say, getting an
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onside kick Saturday night, Oh yeah, yeah, the rate of
onside kicks that have worked this season. That was look
Romeo on the handsteam.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
But it should be noted when Dobbs touched it and
didn't secure it, there were six bears all over it. Fair.
I mean they were literally there was an army of
Bears all over it.
Speaker 3 (29:03):
So say what you want.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
The special teams coach for the Bears, they knew where
that ball was going. The kicker delivered it, Romeo Dobbs
had it hit his hand and there were like six
Bear jerseys in one packer jersey. So I even that,
you can say it's luck. How many onside kicks are
fielded cleanly? Not that many. There's a lot of bobbling.
He bobbled, boom bears everywhere.
Speaker 6 (29:25):
Just remind people last year when the Chiefs were rolling
in the one score games, there was one man, one
loading voice in the wilderness saying how lucky they were
and they would have to pay the piper. And that's
like an old one they did this year and this
year it's happened. So I'm not saying the Bears are
going to regress next year with this one score stuff.
But keep an eye on another very fortunate team in
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the AFC with a quarterback you like a lot that
they've been They've been running hot in one score games
and you know that stuff evens out calling.
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Speaker 1 (30:01):
As a coach with a playoff team sort of on
the hot seat and some stalking stuffers we're passing out
around the NFL.
Speaker 3 (30:10):
Next in the.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
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Speaker 6 (30:25):
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Speaker 1 (30:48):
Well, it is the giving season and it's always better
to be a giver, not a taker, and so I
thought i'd hand out a foo a few I don't know,
Gridiron gifts, NFL stocking stuffers, Jamack, are you ready?
Speaker 3 (31:03):
You give me?
Speaker 9 (31:04):
Ready?
Speaker 6 (31:04):
My friend weren't ready?
Speaker 1 (31:07):
All right?
Speaker 6 (31:07):
Go ahead, all right, Colin? First up? What's your gift
for Bills quarterback Josh Allen?
Speaker 1 (31:15):
Well, he has scored thirty seven of the fifty two touchdowns.
How about a thra gun pro massage gun to sue
those sore muscles that have helped carry your franchise to
each and every win seventy one percent of offensive touchdowns
Buffalo has scored seventy one percent by Josh Allen? All right?
Speaker 6 (31:35):
What's your gift for Patriots quarterback.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Drake May Eleven games with one hundred plus passer rating
tie for the most in the league. How about a
lousy T shirt? Drake can't go home and MP handed
this year, so I got him May. I played an
MVP worthy season, but all I got was this lousy
T shirt. Second best odds after Stafford at twenty three
(31:57):
years old to win an MVP.
Speaker 6 (32:01):
All right, what's your gift for Jets coach Aaron Glenn.
Speaker 1 (32:07):
Inn Osha bulldozer certification. J Mack to your beloved Jets.
This franchise is as stable as a Jenga tower. Time
to tear it.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
Down and rebuild already.
Speaker 6 (32:21):
Oh what the heck is that?
Speaker 5 (32:22):
All right?
Speaker 6 (32:22):
What's your gift for Philip.
Speaker 1 (32:25):
Rivers of the Colts. How about his own NFL franchise?
I mean Rivers and his ten kids. That's a starting eleven.
I've already got him eighth in my herd hierarchy. The
best family in the NFL, the Philip Rivers family deserve
their own franchise.
Speaker 6 (32:41):
Okay, what do you give it? Travis Kelcey of the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
You know I thought a lot about this. She did.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
I'm gonna give Travis Kelcey a joint custody agreement for
the future, mister Taylor Swift, and the reason being is
that way mahomes can still have you on weekends.
Speaker 5 (32:58):
Oh wow?
Speaker 6 (33:00):
That what's your gift for Jackson Dart?
Speaker 1 (33:04):
I'm gonna give Jackson Dart, who I like, a Fisher
Price playground. I know he's twenty two, but you're not
too old for this. Spend some time learning how to slide.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
Learn how to slide?
Speaker 1 (33:16):
Listen Five trips to the medical tent, learn how to slide.
Speaker 6 (33:21):
Bro I like the hat backwards in that as well.
What's your gift for Caleb Williams?
Speaker 1 (33:27):
Oh, this is easy Las Vegas residency. I mean he
may be the new King of Chicago, but he puts
on a Bruno Mars level show every week. Caleb Williams, Baby,
he is getting his own residency in Vegas.
Speaker 6 (33:43):
Well, all right, what are you giving your man crush
Jared Goff?
Speaker 1 (33:49):
How about a digital photo album so he can relive
all the great memories he had with Ben Johnson.
Speaker 3 (33:56):
It's been a rough season.
Speaker 6 (34:00):
Of Wow, that's ours and finally, be careful here, what
are you giving my guy Brock Purdi.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well, I thought about this, Jaymac, and you have been
one of his most ardent supporters. I'm giving him a
gift certificate to two to mastros So Jmack and Brock
pretty get table, white tablecloth talk endlessly about their favorite
person me two for dinner, taken Champagne are stocking stuffers.
(34:36):
So the story of the day which emerged it emerged
today about halfway through the first hour is according to
Mike Preston, who's a very good, very serious, very respected
reporter for the Baltimore Ravens. Now, remember this is something
(34:56):
you know, and I know stuff gets out when somebody
wants it out. Why did this story suddenly get out?
Lamar Jackson had a pretty disappointing last five or six weeks.
Right this year not been good, banged up comes back,
(35:18):
not that he has fallen asleep in meetings, playing video
games at night. They moved their practices to mid afternoon
because Lamar doesn't like early morning practice. That when they
do criticize him, he shrinks, he would draws. He doesn't
like criticism. And Jamak brought this up. And I think
(35:40):
both of us have always thought he's already good. Ive
always thought he's better in the pocket that he was
given credit for his said rookie year. He is more
runner than thrower. But he's gotten pretty good at that is.
His cap pit next year is massive, twenty four percent.
That is ungodly. His cap hit next year is twenty
four percent of the Ravens hap bo Nick's denver one
(36:02):
point seven percent, Caleb Williams three point six percent. That
is unbelievable. Your hands are tight as a GM. Your
hands are tight as a coach. If you have injuries,
you're down to third stringers.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
So uh. There are some quotes here in.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
The article that will put up I am a fan
of Lamar Jackson. One of the quotes, A major problem,
a lot of it on the Ravens is that there
are team rules and then there are rules for Jackson. Well,
I'll defend him a little there. Once the Ravens become
critical of him, he becomes more withdrawn. It's clear the
coach Harbaugh has become tired of Jackson. Nick Wright, for
(36:38):
the record, has been on this for a lot of
the year, and Mike Preston is a very respected guy,
so you know the injuries are piling up next. He's
always been hyper athletic. Now Mahomes and Josh Allen are
athletic too, but they're also unbelievable all time guys in
the pocket.
Speaker 3 (36:59):
Lamar is good in the pocket.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
But he really his secret sauce has always been he's
the most elusive quarterback, the fastest quarterback I've ever seen.
It's hard to even put two or three guys in
the history of football in his class. And that's his
secret sauce. And it's not that big of a secret.
He's just hard to prepare for ohwas dominated the NFC
teams which don't see him very often. If you see
him for a first time, it's just hard to comprehend
how elusive he is. So but now the injuries are
(37:22):
piling up. He's a massive cap hit. He's withdrawing when
there's criticism his window. And you know the NFL, you
know in basketball and baseball and mostly in hockey, you're
not being tackled. So you know, for offensive players, a
lot of these offensive skill players, your windows are quick.
Cam Newton's last great year twenty nine, Cam was a
(37:44):
better athlete than he was a sit in a pocket,
pre snap audible guy. He was just an absolutely mammoth
great athlete. He aged very fast, big bend to me
aged fast. Aaron Rodgers forty two, still slick because Aaron's
great pocket, Stafford Brady Breeze.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
So he is.
Speaker 1 (38:06):
I do think he has now become the kind of
quarterback that is still Pro Bowl level in his best years.
But is he somebody that the Ravens would take a
call on. Now, let me throw another quarterback out, Joe Burrow. Okay,
I would never take a call on Joe Burrow. But
after his third injury, I'd take a call. I would
(38:29):
not take a call on Drake May, Justin Herbert, Patrick, Mahomes,
Josh Allen. I wouldn't take a call on Bonix and
Caleb right now because they're such small percentages of the
cap and they're very good young quarterbacks. I'm not taking
a call. But there's always about six or seven guys.
Lamar was one of them. You just don't even pick
up the phone. I think he's moved it into the
group of the next six or seven.
Speaker 6 (38:49):
So Colin I was just digging into, like we've talked
about this all week, the cap situation, right, So once
you pay Lamar, you have to get ready and say, hey,
we got to move off these guys with the Chiefs
and Mahomes, they lose their offensive line. You see the
result this year. I was just looking so Baltimore essentially
coming into the season, bet on a twenty twenty two
to fourth rounder and a twenty twenty three seventh rounder
(39:10):
on their offensive line because they could not afford Morgan
Moses John Simson, good call. Those young guys in the
draft did not pan out, right, You only get a
couple swings in the draft, So when the offensive line
doesn't work and Lamar is injured, all of a sudden,
you've got like nothing, and that we saw it with
the Chiefs. I'm just really curious what's gonna happen with
(39:31):
that offensive line on the Bengals. It already isn't great.
Borrow got hurt again.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I mean, if you're the Miami Dolphins of the Raiders,
do you not make a call?
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Oh? Of course you do. I would not be surprised
if already calls were not made. Now, we don't know
what about the Dolphins with their GM situation. They ran
him off. But if i'm McDaniel, I'm like, guys, Lamar
jack you could be Lamar Jackson. You got to keep me.
I think that helps McDaniel's cause. Raiders are interesting because
if you get the chance to coach Lamar. I mean,
(40:01):
I don't think they keep Pete Carroll. Sorry, I know
you guys are friendly. I don't see that happening, but yeah,
I would probably trade that number one or number two
pick of Mendoza enroll with Lamar if I was the Raiders.
They need to sell tickets, they want to be on television.
You know, they're not getting any prime time games.
Speaker 1 (40:18):
No. And here's the thing, folks, I've never understood this
criticism of people.
Speaker 3 (40:25):
New information equals new opinion. Period.
Speaker 1 (40:30):
We didn't know this, We didn't know what was going on.
Teams trying to hide this stuff. So why does it
get out? Because the Ravens want it out. That's why
stuff get up. We've all had secrets in our life
that don't get out. You know, Companies don't want them
out right. When stuff leaks, it's because they want it out.
And I mean, we find out a lot of stuff
(40:53):
during the Belichick Brady era that didn't get out until
there was a divorce between Brady and Belichick. And then
Seth Wickersham write book, you know, Connor writes a book,
Jeff Benedict. Then all the books come out, you know,
as the relationship gets worn down in the last couple
of years together. And then eventually, you know, Brady goes
to Tampa. So I think when when stuff gets out,
(41:14):
there's there's people that, you know, because some of this
is Harbaugh's getting ripped, Harpball's getting criticized, the front office
is getting criticized, and they're like front office in Baltimore.
Speaker 6 (41:24):
It's not on us, it's not all.
Speaker 3 (41:26):
Us, guys, time out. It is not all us.
Speaker 1 (41:29):
So Mike Preston's a very good reporter, and during the
breaks we've been kind of going back and forth on
this story, and I think, yeah, I think you get
new information. And if you're literally rigid, stubborn and dumb,
if you're getting information and not using it, it's like
George Pickens in week seven, Oh my god, this is amazing.
(41:51):
George Pickens in week thirteen, always pouting new information, adjust
to it. So I this is a massive story from
one of the top three or four or five quarterbacks
in this league the last several years.
Speaker 3 (42:06):
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