December 27, 2025 • 34 mins
Colin delivers his latest editions of Where Colin was Right and Wrong, the Herd Hierarchy, and his Blazing 5 for Week 17. FS1's Nick Wright joins Colin to dive into the Chiefs' disappointing season.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's
our two loaded good one tonight too. The forty nine.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Ers still haven't lost a blazing five pick yet three
oho to one. J McK and I have both had
good weekends.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Matt Hasselbeck's around the corner. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
All weekend long, people are complaining about the college football playoffs.
I can't believe this team got in and that team
got in. Go to March Madness. You keep telling me
that's the greatest sporting event in the world. They're like
twenty five teams that get into that thing. Unwatchable. Bottom line,
Do you get the top sixteen college basketball teams in?
Do you get the top sixteen in the rest of
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It's filler? That's how I feel about this thing. Do
you get the top eight teams in? Hey got four
teams that you know, we know Texas probably better than
James Madison. I think we could agree Notre Dames better
than two Lane, but they had their opportunity. Notre Dame
played Texas and Miami couldn't win either. I mean, the
regular season's got to mean something, so I think the
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college football playoff. I can't wait to watch the next
seven games. Here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
New England was my surprise playoff pick. Fourth year in
a row. My surprise playoff team has made it twelve
and three, tripled their win total, could still land the
number one seed. You know, it's amazing what they've done
offensively from thirty first to six.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
The Kyle Williams great play.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We talked about him as he was a tremendously gifted
college player, Stefan Diggs, Hunter, Henry. It's a big playoffense
and it last year there was none of that juice.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So we got that one right. Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Mike Tomlin once again secures a winning season. They could
actually win eleven games in Pittsburgh. Now, the game got
a little squirrely in the end, but make no doubt
about it, Pittsburgh was absolutely the better team holding Detroit
to fifteen rushing yards and listen, are they good enough
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to win a playoff game? I don't know, but they
ran the ball. They haven't done that consistently in years.
Aaron has been tremendous. He gets him out of trouble,
no negative.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Plays in the end. I was wrong where Colin was
right slinging.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sammy d leads his division, Seattle leads the NFL in
point differential. What's interesting with sam he's completing sixty seven percent.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Of his throat that's a career high.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But he's also the top in yards per attempt, so
it's no dinking dunk.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
He's throwing the ball down the field.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Twenty four total touchdowns the last two years. He has
more passing touchdowns than Josh Allen, so first quarterback ever.
Back to back seasons, two different teams to win twelve games.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Right on Sammy where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I love Trevor Lawrence for years, but all the turnovers
I surrendered. They were five and four after losing the Texans,
I'm like, I'm done, and then they got in a heater.
Liam Cohen deserves a ton of credit. I didn't even
have him in my hurt hierarchy until last week.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But they've just got a.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Lot of good players, you know what I mean. It's
like Parker Washington, where'd he come from? They could end
up thirteen and four. Trevor Lawrence has kind of gotten
out of being lured into bad interceptions. They deserve all
the credit in the world. Just the minute I gave
up on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
He pivoted where Colin was right New York Jet.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Now, excuse me, New York Giant fans, Colin, you're crazy
thinking we should draft Fernando Mendoza. Yeah, Jackson Dart had
one completion in the first half. His coaching staff was
terrified to let him throw the ball. I got nothing
against Jackson dark but if you notice the more we
see of him last couple of starts, it's got a
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sixty eight passer rating. Well, they don't have this, they
don't have that.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I mean, I think Jackson Dart been a pleasant surprise.
I like him. But the fact that you wouldn't consider
Mendoza with a number one pick, wouldn't consider it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You're the New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You've been unwatchable for a decade. You got to consider.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Everything where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
The Carolina Panthers start of the season one in three.
I'm like, come on, this is a bush league operation.
But Dan Morgan, former player, GM nice draft, Dave Canalis
steadied the ship.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know, I mean Bryce Young extension.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He moves, he's got a star receiver, one hundred and
two passer rating, a couple of tunnies, no picks. So again,
do we wish he was bigger and had a bigger arm. Probably,
But when I watched Carolina, I'm like, I just watched
Bryce Young outplay Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's impressive.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Where Colin was right, Kaylen de Boor, don't listen to
the trolls. He is a top five head coach to
go into Norman, fall behind seventeen to nothing and then
take the game over.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He's not gonna be Saban. First of all, the.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
SEC now has Texas schools, it's deeper, the Big ten's better,
and the money runs everything. Now you can't stack rosters
like Nick Saban could do. Even Kirby smart Georgia had
last two years. Doesn't look like Georgia. They're just a
really good team. So don't listen to anybody, Kaylin de
boor off of Nick Saban. That's as good as you
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can do as an athletic director. That's as good as.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You can do.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Where Colin was right, Miami Hurricanes kept saying, folks, watch
this defense all year long. I said, I don't buy
in Texas A and m I said, all week Miami's
going to go in there. I don't want to hear
that Mario Crista ball. You don't trust him. Miami is
going to control this football game. Their defense is fast
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and physical and Mario crystiball and their nil money they
got dudes. I mean you just you watch that defense
they got dudes. Now, can they beat Ohio State? I'm
not sure if anybody can, but that defense will keep
them in every game they play. So for all the
Miami Hurricane doubters, sorry, they're legit. That defense as good
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as anything, maybe even Ohio State's defense calling right wrong.
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Speaker 2 (07:44):
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Speaker 1 (07:49):
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Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's the Herd.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Brought Purty seven on seven passing Drill last night. Those
secondaries both very mid as they say, all right, Nick
writes a couple of minutes away, I gotta tell you
there's a couple of teams in this league and they
played on Thursday, rams Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You got to be impressed.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
With those teams, but between the third best team in
the league in the tenth maybe a.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Point and a half. Here we go in our herd.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Hierarchy heard hierarchy time, Now go the top ten NFL
teams according to College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Buffalo Josh Allen's hurt. Did you see the offense once
he went for an X ray? They've been held under
two hundred passing yards in three of the last four games.
They can't stop the run. I am not as high
on Buffalo as everybody else is. People keep seeing, well,
Mahomes does it make the playoffs? If you watch Jacksonville,
you watched Denver, they're pretty good. Seen the Texans defense,
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I don't know. I don't see this as a team
that can win three playoff games. They have no passing
attack down field. Buffalo at ten, number nine, The Niners
opposing quarterbacks, including Philip Rivers have a one h one
passer rating against this defense.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
No Bosa.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean, the last night's pass rush wasn't bad, but
I think I think you can really beat this team
in the back end. And Christian McCaffrey twenty seven touches,
they're zero to four the game after he has twenty
seven touches. George Kittle's now hurt. Do you realize Kittle
this year is worth a touchdown? To their offense that
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is insane. A lot of that's is blocking. I have
the Niners at nine, number eight.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I had no.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Idea Woody Marx was that valuable. Texans were atrocious against
the Raiders. Woody Marks didn't play. Now listen opposing quarterbacks
this year. I have a passer riting a seventy four.
I do think, and they'd be ugly, but I think
they could get to the conference championship. I like the coach,
like the quarterback. If Woody Marks is healthy, they can
run the football. I got Houston at eight, number seven,
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and Denver just didn't play well. And the defense since
the week twelve by has gotten worse. It's allowing twenty
six a games since the buye and it's not the offense.
They had four hundred and forty five yards now. The
other thing, though, I will give them credit, teams that
played Denver are three and eleven the following week. That
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tells you they're a really physical team, and it also
tells you you should bet against the Jags this week.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Number six, the Jags.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They were four and five in the red zone, and
teams had struggled all year against the Broncos in the
red zone. Six game winning streak. Hard to run against them.
I like their story. I thought that game felt so
big for them. They were very intentional. Their receiving core
is the real deal. Listen, when you're bad for years
and have top ten draft picks, you got dudes, and
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Jacksonville has dudes.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Number five.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I like Philadelphia, Lane Johnson, Jalen Carter coming back. The
band is back together. There's only two teams in the league.
The Rams are one Phillies the other that are top
five in red zone offense and red zone defense. That's Philadelphia.
I may not always love their coach, but I got
the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
At five number four. Bears beat them in Philly. I'll
put them four now.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
They've played an easy schedule, but they're eleven and two
since Week three. They do not give the ball away
and they take the ball away. That is really good
going into the playoffs. Their quarterback, Yeah, he's young, but
he is dynamic. I think situationally. I love their head coach.
I know a lot of you have misgivings about him.
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I don't care that they get out played in the
second quarter. I care they win games. Bears at four,
number three, it's like New England. They've had one stinker
in the last ten weeks, and they dominated New They
dominated the Buffalo Bills in the first half half.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Of that game they lost.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I like them seven to zero on the road. They're
doing it now without their left tackling left guards.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So and the.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Weakest part of this team right now is their run game,
because they're all beat up on the offensive line. But
the reason I took them over Baltimore is they moved
the chains. Their receiving corps is way way underrated. Go
look at big plays this season. I think you'll be
shocked at where New England is number two. Rams are
one or two. They lost to Seattle all put them
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at two. Three straight games with five hundred plus yards,
out gaining opponents this year by almost eleven hundred yards.
Nobody can stop Pooka. They're doing it without Devonte Adams.
Now two running backs, three tight ends. I like getting
a pass rush. Rams at two. Number one, Well, Seattle
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turns the ball over too much, but they've been very
good against good teams. They could have beaten the Rams twice,
beat them once, Steelers, Jack, Texans, Colts. It's not just
Sam Darnold. I've said it. If you turn the sound
down when you watch the Seahawks, they look like the
best team in the league. They can turn the ball
over and still blow teams out. They can get out
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played for three and a half quarters and still beat
excellent teams.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I'll put the Seahawks at number one.
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
Now, Nick Wright, for the first time in his career,
is a Bills stand and he is joining us live.
I just there's so much about the Bills that worries me.
You've pivoted to Buffalo this year and it's a redeemable quality.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Why well, it's I mean, no, I just last year
and this year I thought going into the season Buffalo
was the second best team in the conference.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Last year, I was correct.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
This year obviously, both years to the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
This year the Chiefs let me down. On that end.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
The Bills are who they've been, which is they have
one of the three best quarterbacks alive. I think he's
the second best quarterback alive and the best healthy quarterback.
Even though Stafford's having the great year and the supporting cast.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's a few years ago it.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Was wildly overrated and now it feels a touch underrated.
I know people wish Josh Allen had better receivers. I
get that, but I guess he just has to settle
for having the rushing champ, a good to very good
offensive line, and really good tight ends. That's enough in
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a wide open AFC. And I do think for Josh
when the hurdle for him to make the Super Bowl
has or to get deep in the playoffs or make
the super Bowl has been Patrick Mahomes four out of
five years and Joe Burrow the other year, the fact
that neither of those teams or quarterbacks are going to
be in the playoffs means this is wide open for him.
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So I just think I don't think Buffalo has the
best resume, but of every team in the AFC, their
resume is close enough that because they have the only
Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime that is going
to be in the playoff field, I think I'd roll
with them with the possible caveat of look out for
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my Jags.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Colin oh Man.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I told you a month ago, what if Trevor went
on the Sam Darnold arc.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I didn't know what was gonna happen right now.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
I didn't know what was gonna happen, hapen Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
It has been great.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Now I want to It's funny so years and years ago,
this may have been thirty years ago. I had never
been a big car guy, but I loved Jaguars. I
think I saw a movie with a guy inn Jaguar.
I thought it was cool, but Jaguars had a reputation.
They fell apart that you could not trust the Jaguar.
They get British, the Brits, and then I think somebody
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bought them, like Ford or somebody bought him. And now
the Jags, you know they he corrected those flaws. But
I feel the car and the Jaguars franchise are similar.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Where boy, they.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Look good, there's a lot of good man. They look good,
but I don't trust him on a long Roadie, why
do you suddenly trust him?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
I don't know that I can't fully trust him. But
what I will say is this Liam Cohen just doesn't
have like the pr that some of the other young
coaches have.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He's been excellent, he has.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Been awesome, and as much as I love and I
do love Baker, Baker seems to miss him in a
way he didn't miss Dave Canalis, and so Liam Cohen
maybe because the duvault thing was goofy, because on camera
he doesn't really cut the same profile as Ben Johnson
or the Jamiko Ryans or some of the other young
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coaches everybody likes.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
He wasn't taking as serious.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
And then there's Trevor who Here would be my argument
about what has changed with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I do not think his.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Highlight throws this year are any different than any of
the last four years. I think since Trevor's second year
in the league, if you cut up his twenty best
throws of the season, that they would stack up next
to just about any of.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
The all Pro quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
What Trevor's problem had been was his twenty worst plays
of the season. Brutal, looked like the worst plays you've
ever seen. It was just dropping the ball, red zone picks, terrible.
And he's the last month he has kept the highlight
throws and cut out the other stuff. They are during
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this run, Colin, they are beating teams by an average
of eighteen point eight points per victory. That is the
last year they scored eighteen point eight points per game.
It has been a transformation. And I listen, they are
alive for the one seed. They are huge favorites to
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win the division, and they feel a little dangerous, and
they do have a bit of a nobody.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Believes in us since the whole.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Media and your guys Sean Payton all made fun of
Jacksonville for no reason. That's a fine American town. Nothing
wrong with Jacksonville. So I like the Jags. I don't
trust them as much as the Bills, but see if
Trevor can keep this heater going.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So you know, a couple of years ago, I said.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
A story that's not a big story, but it's something
as Andy Reid is aging and he's not going to
be around, So Mahomes is going to have to have
a second head coach and a second gronk Travis Kelce
trustable or outlet. So they like anything in life. It's
just I mean that the Patriots weren't great at drafting,
but they got tied ends right for a few years,
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and that in the end they didn't have enough players.
So it's hard, wide receivers hard. It's an emotional position.
You get some immaturity blah blah blah. So is there
any part of you that looks at it? And you
may not say it on the air, but you're thinking
to yourself, if Andy retired after next year and they're
not quite great, next year, they retool, but they're not
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quite great. They don't have the rams maybe the Seahawks roster.
Is there any party of the worries that the best
is gone? And then it was wonderful, it was a
Broadway hit, but the understudies filling in aren't the same
in mahomes, it's so ever quite able to duplicate it.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
So here's the thing I worry is not the word
I would use, Okay, and I here I if you
are asking me, do I think it is likely they
ever duplicate the last seven years, because let's just be
clear on what it was. That's as good of a
seven year stretch as any team has ever had in the.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
History of football. Are they going to do that twice?
Are they going to make seven.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Straight Conference championship games. Are they going to make five
out of six Super Bowls, including three straight?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I think that the odds are no.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I like the Patriots' best stretch ever twenty eleven to eighteen.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
They did on the.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Back end instead of the front end, but there is
no they didn't do that more than once. I do
think if your point is that we will look at
the entire Mahomes era and say the best six year
run was the one that just.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Ended, I think that's likely.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I don't think they are likely to make five out
of six super Bowls again and be the favorite every year,
but that is a very vary to me far bridge
from they are done being a perennial super Bowl favorite.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I think they will go.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Into every season in over the next I believe five
to seven years with the best quarterback in the league,
and that being your starting point is the most important
starting point. And so if you were to ask me
how many more super Bowls do I think Patrick Mahomes
plays in, I would probably say four. If you're to
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ask me how many more super Bowls as Patrick Mahomes win,
I would probably say two or three. Now, again, that
would in any era of NFL football that career I
just described would be incomprehensible because Tom Brady went to
ten and one seven. That seems like odds, almost disappointing,
But he's already second most all time in Super Bowl
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appearances and tied for third all time in Super Bowl
or fourth all time burd me in super Bowl wins,
So I think they are going to get back to
being a dominant juggernaut. But making five out of six
Super Bowls literally no one had done it before, so
I don't know that I can say the Chiefs are
going to do it again. I will say this quickly
on this.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I think you for.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
All the people poking at Mahomes and I saw you
say Josh Allen's been way better for two years, which
again I mean, I don't know. They play each other
in the playoffs, one guy who's outplays.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Them, but set it aside.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I think we saw on Sunday how much the offensive
load Patrick is carrying because he goes out and they
instantly become the worst offense in football. So they do
need to retool some things offensively, most notably the running
back room, and I think they'll do that next season.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So I'm always fascinated by unicorns, people that do things,
and you know, it's like unbelievable that Jokic is the
maybe the best center ever. Now he doesn't have Kareem Skyhook,
but passing threes low post.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Screening, you're like, sure.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I've never and he goes against type, like he's not twitchy,
he couldn't jump over a folded newspaper, and you're like, yeah,
you can't guard him. You literally can't say. Draymond Green's like, yeah,
that's the one guy I can't do anything with. So
here's Caleb Williams. It's fascinating when he paints his fingernails,
he's awful on script, he jumps into the crowd to
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see his mom.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I talked to all these gms. They're like, he's not
very accurate, he's kind of moody. I'm not sure if
he's elite. And now you're watching the Dysfunctional Bears and
he's gonna win this incredible division. You know before the
season where he's at the best division, and it's fascinating.
I don't worry about the completion percentage, but it is
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rare that you'd be like because Cam was in the
fifty nine to sixty but I think Caleb's I think
his ceiling's more consistent than Cam because Cam's personality was
kind of distracted.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Are we you? Is it possible we are looking? I
said this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Is he a shorter Josh Allen's there's nothing else like him.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
On the that even looks like him?
Speaker 6 (24:06):
What do you make of his personality? So the Jucks
so all of it. So listen the Josh Allen comp.
I struggled with only because Josh so much of Josh's
greatness is just brute force, just how big and strong
and so like the So I I that comp. I
can't wrap my mind around. But so let me just
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go through all of it. The fact of the matter is,
and people were, you know, kind of dancing around it.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
There was a lot of.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Without saying it, people are like, ah, I think the
guy's too effeminate. That they didn't like that he cried,
They didn't like that he painted his nails, and they
didn't like that He was fine with it like that
he was He knew people were gonna have that criticism
and he didn't care. I thought that critique from the
beginning was nonsense. People were like, ah, well, locker rooms
follow him. And the answer is if he's good, absolutely
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like nobody knows. As long as he's good, no one
will care. And if he's bad, you know, all of
a sudden, not painting his fingernails won't do anything. So
that I dismissed that criticism. The him not being great
at layups is a fair critique. But if you were
to ask me Colin, here are fifteen traits that make
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a quarterback make up an NFL quarterback. Pick one that
is most fixable, I would say, not great at layups.
The stuff he is great at not only is it
not like fixable, it's not teachable, right, And so give
me the guy who has the inherent greatness in him,
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and then pair him with someone like Ben Johnson whose
job it is to help him with the other stuff.
I would say this after last year hit I thought
he finish his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well behind schedule.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
I think now he's not only on schedule, but ahead
of schedule. And still the completion percentage is crummy, and
if not for an onside kick recovery, he wouldn't have
gotten any of the highlight moments that we got against
the Packers. But after that onside kick.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
The fourth and.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Four play was unbelievable, and the throw in overtime might
have been the play of the year in the NFL.
And he's young and he's figuring it out, and Ben
Johnson is, you know, ushering him along. So I love
what he's doing. I believe in the Bears to a degree.
Do I think they're gonna win four playoff games to
win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
No?
Speaker 6 (26:37):
But do I think that nobody wants to play them? Absolutely?
One small critique about the Bears, and this was Ben
Johnson's issue in Detroit two, And I like Ben, you
can be a little too cute for school sometimes. Buddy,
it's fourth and one in the first.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Quarter against the Packers.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Maybe that's not when you call your trick play that
involves aping the ball between your tight ends, legs two
your five to nine running backs so he can throw
a pass to your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Maybe save that one for a.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Lower leverage moment. But I think overall, Bears fan's got
to be over the moon.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
By the way, m My only criticism ever of McVeigh
was in his first two or three years, he showed
off a little bit. He would do stuff you're like
on run the ball, Todd Gurley, Let's just do that, okay, correct.
I want to show you know America should be proud
of us. You now have pivoted to a pro Bills guy,
and I am an abject Charger Homer because I love
Herbert and hardball.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
They did not make my Herd hierarchy.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
I was shocked by that, Okay.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I wanted to ask you about it.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Okay, So I put him at eleven. And my takeaway
is I have to put Josh Allen in. I don't
know what to do with the Chargers. Where do you
put him on that list? Well, that's my problem I am.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
So here's what my response would be.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
And I'm not as high on the Chargers as you
obviously are. Is our pal Danny Parkins, who I'm pretty
sure thanks Justin. Herbert's the third or fourth greatest quarterback
in the history of the NFL. I think they're better
than the Texans right now. So the Texans, I don't
know how much people watch Texans Raiders well, but the
Texans offense, Colin is a problem. And here is my
(28:22):
Here would be my concern for Houston because I like Demiko.
The defense is obviously sensational when the fourteen teams, i'm sorry,
the seven teams that make the AFC Playoffs, if we
were to power rank each team's offense and defense, so
like the number one unit might be Denver's defense. Number
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two might be the Texans defense, Number three, Bill's offense,
whatever on down would fourteenth be the Houston Texans offense.
Are they going to walk into the AFC Playoffs with
the worst unit offense or defense of either of any
team in it? I think they might and so that,
(29:03):
but I agree with you. I would have the Bills
ahead of the Chargers. I think the job that Kyle
Shanahan's done with San Francisco is unbelievable. And Colin, just
so you know, be ready, I can't believe we're gonna
be pulled into it again.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
But after you and.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
I one declared victory was drawing borders for the Great
brock Purty War of the twenty twenties, we're back in it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Now.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Everyone's gonna forget that Mac Jones did all the exact
same stuff, and we're gonna hear about how elite this
player is after last night, but the night so, I
think all of those teams except for the Texans. I
think i'd have ahead of the Chargers, so the Texans
would be the spot. But I appreciate your integrity by
not having, you know, just fitting in your beloved Los
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Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I like to put friends in the hurt higher argu
I don't know what to do. I had them at eleven.
Nick right is always buddy.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Great stuff, great to see. I see account.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I did this last night.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I sent it to Kyle, our producer, after the Niners game,
and I sat there and I literally had Chargers jumping
over like a fence. I was having these weird dreams.
I'm like, what am I doing? These are my friends.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I don't know what to do with them. Buffalo's got
to be in it.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
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Fired Up, It's Collins Blazon, Fuck Texans a Chargers.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I like the Texans plus two and a half seven
game winning streak. They clinch a playoff berth with a win.
They're only loss by more than three points one against Seattle.
That's it, Well, Seattle, beats up with a lot of people.
Woody Marx is back huge part of their offense. The
Chargers eighteenth in the NFL on offense since Week eleven
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because their offensive line is using backups. Three of the
chargers four wins during their four game winning streak have
come against the Raiders, Chiefs, and Cowboys. The Texans defense
is so good.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Even on the road.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
It's dominating number one in the league. I'm taking the points.
Texans twenty three, Chargers twenty one.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Take the points. Seahawks at Panthers.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I wish it was seven and a half, but I'll
take it at seven. Panthers at home, fighting to win
the NFC South one game lead over Tampa.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm taking the points.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Anybody noticing Bryce Young in the last month, last three games,
He's a pro bowler, six touchdowns, no picks. He's been
on fire in the last three game. The Seahawks are
coming off a tough, physical, overtime game season high ninety
two defensive snaps against the Rams. The last two games,
they won both at home by a combined three points.
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The offense for Seattle doesn't quite feel right. This is
a long trip. They could be looking ahead of the playoffs. Oh,
just beat the Rams. We're amazing Seattle wins. I'm absolutely
taking the points here. Twenty seven to twenty three Hawks
(32:11):
Eagles at Bills. I'm in the minority. I like Philly
plus two and a half. Great run team, bad run defense.
They're thirty five and two when they win the turnover
battle under Nick Siriani's seven to zero this year, and
they usually do. Jalen herts the last two weeks. Something
is working, even Greg Cosel told us Sakuon Barkley last
three games, averaging five and a half of carry.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
The A line now getting healthy, folks.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
The Bills have trailed in each of their last eight games.
They've trailed in the second half of six of their
last seven. They play with their food. They're not good
on third down. The Bills can't defend the run. I'm
taking the Eagles and the points better overall roster twenty
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eight twenty four.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Philly Bears at forty nine er.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I like Chicago with extra rest plus three Dj Moore
and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Last five games.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
DJ moris five touchdown catches, tied for most in the league.
The offense. He get all the big plays without any
other turnovers. Listen, the Niners are hot, but four of
their five wins came against Cleveland, Arizona, the Titans, and
the Colts brought purty trailing this year. Is a different
quarterback sixty three percent completion percentage and their defense. Here's
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the story of the game. The Niners defense not only
has the fewest sacks in the NFL, seven fewer than
the next fewest, and opposing quarterbacks have a passer rating
of one to oh one against the Niners. Christian McCaffrey
just came off a twenty seven touch game. The Niners
are zero to four off McCaffrey games where he's got
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twenty seven or more touches. Bears win it take the
points twenty eight to twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Seven Cardinals at Bengals.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I like the over fifty three and a half twenty
ninth ranked scoring defense against the worst ranked defense, banged
up defenses that are bad to begin with. The weather
it's gonna be a little wet temperature not a factor.
The Cardinals defense is bad and it's gotten worse. Allowed
forty plus points in two of their last three games.
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The Bengals. They're averaging twenty seven a game with Burrow.
So you're talking about atrocious defenses, banged up. I like
Cincinnati to win the game. I think it's a bit
of a shootout. I'm gonna take the over Cincinnati Arizona
over fifty three and a half points, thirty.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Twenty seven Bengals win.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So a lot of underdogs have not done that once
this year four underdogs and one over
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
You're listening to Fox Sports Radio. Here we go. It's
our two loaded good one tonight too. The forty nine.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Ers still haven't lost a blazing five pick yet three
oho to one. J McK and I have both had
good weekends.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Matt Hasselbeck's around the corner. So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (00:47):
All weekend long, people are complaining about the college football playoffs.
I can't believe this team got in and that team
got in. Go to March Madness. You keep telling me
that's the greatest sporting event in the world. They're like
twenty five teams that get into that thing. Unwatchable. Bottom line,
Do you get the top sixteen college basketball teams in?
Do you get the top sixteen in the rest of
(01:08):
It's filler? That's how I feel about this thing. Do
you get the top eight teams in? Hey got four
teams that you know, we know Texas probably better than
James Madison. I think we could agree Notre Dames better
than two Lane, but they had their opportunity. Notre Dame
played Texas and Miami couldn't win either. I mean, the
regular season's got to mean something, so I think the
(01:29):
college football playoff. I can't wait to watch the next
seven games. Here we go, Colin right, Colin wrong?
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Where Colin was right.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
New England was my surprise playoff pick. Fourth year in
a row. My surprise playoff team has made it twelve
and three, tripled their win total, could still land the
number one seed. You know, it's amazing what they've done
offensively from thirty first to six.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
The Kyle Williams great play.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
We talked about him as he was a tremendously gifted
college player, Stefan Diggs, Hunter, Henry. It's a big playoffense
and it last year there was none of that juice.
Speaker 2 (02:05):
So we got that one right. Where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
Mike Tomlin once again secures a winning season. They could
actually win eleven games in Pittsburgh. Now, the game got
a little squirrely in the end, but make no doubt
about it, Pittsburgh was absolutely the better team holding Detroit
to fifteen rushing yards and listen, are they good enough
(02:30):
to win a playoff game? I don't know, but they
ran the ball. They haven't done that consistently in years.
Aaron has been tremendous. He gets him out of trouble,
no negative.
Speaker 2 (02:41):
Plays in the end. I was wrong where Colin was
right slinging.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Sammy d leads his division, Seattle leads the NFL in
point differential. What's interesting with sam he's completing sixty seven percent.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Of his throat that's a career high.
Speaker 1 (02:59):
But he's also the top in yards per attempt, so
it's no dinking dunk.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
He's throwing the ball down the field.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
Twenty four total touchdowns the last two years. He has
more passing touchdowns than Josh Allen, so first quarterback ever.
Back to back seasons, two different teams to win twelve games.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
Right on Sammy where Colin was raw.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
I love Trevor Lawrence for years, but all the turnovers
I surrendered. They were five and four after losing the Texans,
I'm like, I'm done, and then they got in a heater.
Liam Cohen deserves a ton of credit. I didn't even
have him in my hurt hierarchy until last week.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
But they've just got a.
Speaker 1 (03:40):
Lot of good players, you know what I mean. It's
like Parker Washington, where'd he come from? They could end
up thirteen and four. Trevor Lawrence has kind of gotten
out of being lured into bad interceptions. They deserve all
the credit in the world. Just the minute I gave
up on Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
He pivoted where Colin was right New York Jet.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Now, excuse me, New York Giant fans, Colin, you're crazy
thinking we should draft Fernando Mendoza. Yeah, Jackson Dart had
one completion in the first half. His coaching staff was
terrified to let him throw the ball. I got nothing
against Jackson dark but if you notice the more we
see of him last couple of starts, it's got a
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sixty eight passer rating. Well, they don't have this, they
don't have that.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
I mean, I think Jackson Dart been a pleasant surprise.
I like him. But the fact that you wouldn't consider
Mendoza with a number one pick, wouldn't consider it.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
You're the New York Giants.
Speaker 1 (04:37):
You've been unwatchable for a decade. You got to consider.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Everything where Colin was wrong.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
The Carolina Panthers start of the season one in three.
I'm like, come on, this is a bush league operation.
But Dan Morgan, former player, GM nice draft, Dave Canalis
steadied the ship.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
You know, I mean Bryce Young extension.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
He moves, he's got a star receiver, one hundred and
two passer rating, a couple of tunnies, no picks. So again,
do we wish he was bigger and had a bigger arm. Probably,
But when I watched Carolina, I'm like, I just watched
Bryce Young outplay Baker Mayfield.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's impressive.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Where Colin was right, Kaylen de Boor, don't listen to
the trolls. He is a top five head coach to
go into Norman, fall behind seventeen to nothing and then
take the game over.
Speaker 2 (05:30):
He's not gonna be Saban. First of all, the.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
SEC now has Texas schools, it's deeper, the Big ten's better,
and the money runs everything. Now you can't stack rosters
like Nick Saban could do. Even Kirby smart Georgia had
last two years. Doesn't look like Georgia. They're just a
really good team. So don't listen to anybody, Kaylin de
boor off of Nick Saban. That's as good as you
(05:52):
can do as an athletic director. That's as good as.
Speaker 3 (05:55):
You can do.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Where Colin was right, Miami Hurricanes kept saying, folks, watch
this defense all year long. I said, I don't buy
in Texas A and m I said, all week Miami's
going to go in there. I don't want to hear
that Mario Crista ball. You don't trust him. Miami is
going to control this football game. Their defense is fast
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and physical and Mario crystiball and their nil money they
got dudes. I mean you just you watch that defense
they got dudes. Now, can they beat Ohio State? I'm
not sure if anybody can, but that defense will keep
them in every game they play. So for all the
Miami Hurricane doubters, sorry, they're legit. That defense as good
(06:45):
as anything, maybe even Ohio State's defense calling right wrong.
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Speaker 5 (07:11):
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Speaker 1 (07:21):
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Speaker 2 (07:24):
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wasn't talking about you.
Speaker 6 (07:29):
You took those clips totally of context.
Speaker 5 (07:31):
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Speaker 2 (07:44):
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Speaker 1 (07:49):
It's hour two, first hour flew by Live in Chicago.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's the Herd.
Speaker 1 (07:58):
Brought Purty seven on seven passing Drill last night. Those
secondaries both very mid as they say, all right, Nick
writes a couple of minutes away, I gotta tell you
there's a couple of teams in this league and they
played on Thursday, rams Seahawks.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
You got to be impressed.
Speaker 1 (08:19):
With those teams, but between the third best team in
the league in the tenth maybe a.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
Point and a half. Here we go in our herd.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Hierarchy heard hierarchy time, Now go the top ten NFL
teams according to College Number ten.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Buffalo Josh Allen's hurt. Did you see the offense once
he went for an X ray? They've been held under
two hundred passing yards in three of the last four games.
They can't stop the run. I am not as high
on Buffalo as everybody else is. People keep seeing, well,
Mahomes does it make the playoffs? If you watch Jacksonville,
you watched Denver, they're pretty good. Seen the Texans defense,
(09:00):
I don't know. I don't see this as a team
that can win three playoff games. They have no passing
attack down field. Buffalo at ten, number nine, The Niners
opposing quarterbacks, including Philip Rivers have a one h one
passer rating against this defense.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
No Bosa.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean, the last night's pass rush wasn't bad, but
I think I think you can really beat this team
in the back end. And Christian McCaffrey twenty seven touches,
they're zero to four the game after he has twenty
seven touches. George Kittle's now hurt. Do you realize Kittle
this year is worth a touchdown? To their offense that
(09:38):
is insane. A lot of that's is blocking. I have
the Niners at nine, number eight.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
I had no.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
Idea Woody Marx was that valuable. Texans were atrocious against
the Raiders. Woody Marks didn't play. Now listen opposing quarterbacks
this year. I have a passer riting a seventy four.
I do think, and they'd be ugly, but I think
they could get to the conference championship. I like the coach,
like the quarterback. If Woody Marks is healthy, they can
run the football. I got Houston at eight, number seven,
(10:08):
and Denver just didn't play well. And the defense since
the week twelve by has gotten worse. It's allowing twenty
six a games since the buye and it's not the offense.
They had four hundred and forty five yards now. The
other thing, though, I will give them credit, teams that
played Denver are three and eleven the following week. That
(10:29):
tells you they're a really physical team, and it also
tells you you should bet against the Jags this week.
Speaker 2 (10:35):
Number six, the Jags.
Speaker 1 (10:38):
They were four and five in the red zone, and
teams had struggled all year against the Broncos in the
red zone. Six game winning streak. Hard to run against them.
I like their story. I thought that game felt so
big for them. They were very intentional. Their receiving core
is the real deal. Listen, when you're bad for years
and have top ten draft picks, you got dudes, and
(10:59):
Jacksonville has dudes.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Number five.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
I like Philadelphia, Lane Johnson, Jalen Carter coming back. The
band is back together. There's only two teams in the league.
The Rams are one Phillies the other that are top
five in red zone offense and red zone defense. That's Philadelphia.
I may not always love their coach, but I got
the Eagles.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
At five number four. Bears beat them in Philly. I'll
put them four now.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
They've played an easy schedule, but they're eleven and two
since Week three. They do not give the ball away
and they take the ball away. That is really good
going into the playoffs. Their quarterback, Yeah, he's young, but
he is dynamic. I think situationally. I love their head coach.
I know a lot of you have misgivings about him.
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I don't care that they get out played in the
second quarter. I care they win games. Bears at four,
number three, it's like New England. They've had one stinker
in the last ten weeks, and they dominated New They
dominated the Buffalo Bills in the first half half.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Of that game they lost.
Speaker 1 (12:01):
I like them seven to zero on the road. They're
doing it now without their left tackling left guards.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
So and the.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
Weakest part of this team right now is their run game,
because they're all beat up on the offensive line. But
the reason I took them over Baltimore is they moved
the chains. Their receiving corps is way way underrated. Go
look at big plays this season. I think you'll be
shocked at where New England is number two. Rams are
one or two. They lost to Seattle all put them
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at two. Three straight games with five hundred plus yards,
out gaining opponents this year by almost eleven hundred yards.
Nobody can stop Pooka. They're doing it without Devonte Adams.
Now two running backs, three tight ends. I like getting
a pass rush. Rams at two. Number one, Well, Seattle
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turns the ball over too much, but they've been very
good against good teams. They could have beaten the Rams twice,
beat them once, Steelers, Jack, Texans, Colts. It's not just
Sam Darnold. I've said it. If you turn the sound
down when you watch the Seahawks, they look like the
best team in the league. They can turn the ball
over and still blow teams out. They can get out
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played for three and a half quarters and still beat
excellent teams.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
I'll put the Seahawks at number one.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
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Speaker 1 (13:27):
Now, Nick Wright, for the first time in his career,
is a Bills stand and he is joining us live.
I just there's so much about the Bills that worries me.
You've pivoted to Buffalo this year and it's a redeemable quality.
Speaker 6 (13:43):
Why well, it's I mean, no, I just last year
and this year I thought going into the season Buffalo
was the second best team in the conference.
Speaker 3 (13:52):
Last year, I was correct.
Speaker 6 (13:54):
This year obviously, both years to the Chiefs.
Speaker 3 (13:57):
This year the Chiefs let me down. On that end.
Speaker 6 (14:00):
The Bills are who they've been, which is they have
one of the three best quarterbacks alive. I think he's
the second best quarterback alive and the best healthy quarterback.
Even though Stafford's having the great year and the supporting cast.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
It's a few years ago it.
Speaker 6 (14:17):
Was wildly overrated and now it feels a touch underrated.
I know people wish Josh Allen had better receivers. I
get that, but I guess he just has to settle
for having the rushing champ, a good to very good
offensive line, and really good tight ends. That's enough in
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a wide open AFC. And I do think for Josh
when the hurdle for him to make the Super Bowl
has or to get deep in the playoffs or make
the super Bowl has been Patrick Mahomes four out of
five years and Joe Burrow the other year, the fact
that neither of those teams or quarterbacks are going to
be in the playoffs means this is wide open for him.
(15:00):
So I just think I don't think Buffalo has the
best resume, but of every team in the AFC, their
resume is close enough that because they have the only
Hall of Fame quarterback in his prime that is going
to be in the playoff field, I think I'd roll
with them with the possible caveat of look out for
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my Jags.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
Colin oh Man.
Speaker 6 (15:25):
I told you a month ago, what if Trevor went
on the Sam Darnold arc.
Speaker 3 (15:29):
I didn't know what was gonna happen right now.
Speaker 6 (15:32):
I didn't know what was gonna happen, hapen Thanksgiving.
Speaker 3 (15:34):
It has been great.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
Now I want to It's funny so years and years ago,
this may have been thirty years ago. I had never
been a big car guy, but I loved Jaguars. I
think I saw a movie with a guy inn Jaguar.
I thought it was cool, but Jaguars had a reputation.
They fell apart that you could not trust the Jaguar.
They get British, the Brits, and then I think somebody
(15:56):
bought them, like Ford or somebody bought him. And now
the Jags, you know they he corrected those flaws. But
I feel the car and the Jaguars franchise are similar.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Where boy, they.
Speaker 1 (16:06):
Look good, there's a lot of good man. They look good,
but I don't trust him on a long Roadie, why
do you suddenly trust him?
Speaker 3 (16:15):
Well, here's the thing.
Speaker 6 (16:16):
I don't know that I can't fully trust him. But
what I will say is this Liam Cohen just doesn't
have like the pr that some of the other young
coaches have.
Speaker 3 (16:30):
He's been excellent, he has.
Speaker 6 (16:32):
Been awesome, and as much as I love and I
do love Baker, Baker seems to miss him in a
way he didn't miss Dave Canalis, and so Liam Cohen
maybe because the duvault thing was goofy, because on camera
he doesn't really cut the same profile as Ben Johnson
or the Jamiko Ryans or some of the other young
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coaches everybody likes.
Speaker 3 (16:58):
He wasn't taking as serious.
Speaker 6 (17:00):
And then there's Trevor who Here would be my argument
about what has changed with Trevor Lawrence.
Speaker 3 (17:07):
I do not think his.
Speaker 6 (17:09):
Highlight throws this year are any different than any of
the last four years. I think since Trevor's second year
in the league, if you cut up his twenty best
throws of the season, that they would stack up next
to just about any of.
Speaker 3 (17:26):
The all Pro quarterbacks.
Speaker 6 (17:27):
What Trevor's problem had been was his twenty worst plays
of the season. Brutal, looked like the worst plays you've
ever seen. It was just dropping the ball, red zone picks, terrible.
And he's the last month he has kept the highlight
throws and cut out the other stuff. They are during
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this run, Colin, they are beating teams by an average
of eighteen point eight points per victory. That is the
last year they scored eighteen point eight points per game.
It has been a transformation. And I listen, they are
alive for the one seed. They are huge favorites to
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win the division, and they feel a little dangerous, and
they do have a bit of a nobody.
Speaker 3 (18:19):
Believes in us since the whole.
Speaker 6 (18:21):
Media and your guys Sean Payton all made fun of
Jacksonville for no reason. That's a fine American town. Nothing
wrong with Jacksonville. So I like the Jags. I don't
trust them as much as the Bills, but see if
Trevor can keep this heater going.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
So you know, a couple of years ago, I said.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
A story that's not a big story, but it's something
as Andy Reid is aging and he's not going to
be around, So Mahomes is going to have to have
a second head coach and a second gronk Travis Kelce
trustable or outlet. So they like anything in life. It's
just I mean that the Patriots weren't great at drafting,
but they got tied ends right for a few years,
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and that in the end they didn't have enough players.
So it's hard, wide receivers hard. It's an emotional position.
You get some immaturity blah blah blah. So is there
any part of you that looks at it? And you
may not say it on the air, but you're thinking
to yourself, if Andy retired after next year and they're
not quite great, next year, they retool, but they're not
(19:24):
quite great. They don't have the rams maybe the Seahawks roster.
Is there any party of the worries that the best
is gone? And then it was wonderful, it was a
Broadway hit, but the understudies filling in aren't the same
in mahomes, it's so ever quite able to duplicate it.
Speaker 6 (19:42):
So here's the thing I worry is not the word
I would use, Okay, and I here I if you
are asking me, do I think it is likely they
ever duplicate the last seven years, because let's just be
clear on what it was. That's as good of a
seven year stretch as any team has ever had in the.
Speaker 3 (20:03):
History of football. Are they going to do that twice?
Are they going to make seven.
Speaker 6 (20:07):
Straight Conference championship games. Are they going to make five
out of six Super Bowls, including three straight?
Speaker 3 (20:14):
I think that the odds are no.
Speaker 6 (20:16):
I like the Patriots' best stretch ever twenty eleven to eighteen.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
They did on the.
Speaker 6 (20:21):
Back end instead of the front end, but there is
no they didn't do that more than once. I do
think if your point is that we will look at
the entire Mahomes era and say the best six year
run was the one that just.
Speaker 3 (20:37):
Ended, I think that's likely.
Speaker 6 (20:39):
I don't think they are likely to make five out
of six super Bowls again and be the favorite every year,
but that is a very vary to me far bridge
from they are done being a perennial super Bowl favorite.
Speaker 3 (20:57):
I think they will go.
Speaker 6 (20:58):
Into every season in over the next I believe five
to seven years with the best quarterback in the league,
and that being your starting point is the most important
starting point. And so if you were to ask me
how many more super Bowls do I think Patrick Mahomes
plays in, I would probably say four. If you're to
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ask me how many more super Bowls as Patrick Mahomes win,
I would probably say two or three. Now, again, that
would in any era of NFL football that career I
just described would be incomprehensible because Tom Brady went to
ten and one seven. That seems like odds, almost disappointing,
But he's already second most all time in Super Bowl
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appearances and tied for third all time in Super Bowl
or fourth all time burd me in super Bowl wins,
So I think they are going to get back to
being a dominant juggernaut. But making five out of six
Super Bowls literally no one had done it before, so
I don't know that I can say the Chiefs are
going to do it again. I will say this quickly
on this.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
I think you for.
Speaker 6 (22:05):
All the people poking at Mahomes and I saw you
say Josh Allen's been way better for two years, which
again I mean, I don't know. They play each other
in the playoffs, one guy who's outplays.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
Them, but set it aside.
Speaker 6 (22:18):
I think we saw on Sunday how much the offensive
load Patrick is carrying because he goes out and they
instantly become the worst offense in football. So they do
need to retool some things offensively, most notably the running
back room, and I think they'll do that next season.
Speaker 1 (22:38):
So I'm always fascinated by unicorns, people that do things,
and you know, it's like unbelievable that Jokic is the
maybe the best center ever. Now he doesn't have Kareem Skyhook,
but passing threes low post.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
Screening, you're like, sure.
Speaker 1 (22:59):
I've never and he goes against type, like he's not twitchy,
he couldn't jump over a folded newspaper, and you're like, yeah,
you can't guard him. You literally can't say. Draymond Green's like, yeah,
that's the one guy I can't do anything with. So
here's Caleb Williams. It's fascinating when he paints his fingernails,
he's awful on script, he jumps into the crowd to
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see his mom.
Speaker 6 (23:22):
Ah.
Speaker 1 (23:23):
I talked to all these gms. They're like, he's not
very accurate, he's kind of moody. I'm not sure if
he's elite. And now you're watching the Dysfunctional Bears and
he's gonna win this incredible division. You know before the
season where he's at the best division, and it's fascinating.
I don't worry about the completion percentage, but it is
(23:44):
rare that you'd be like because Cam was in the
fifty nine to sixty but I think Caleb's I think
his ceiling's more consistent than Cam because Cam's personality was
kind of distracted.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
Are we you? Is it possible we are looking? I
said this a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Is he a shorter Josh Allen's there's nothing else like him.
Speaker 2 (24:05):
On the that even looks like him?
Speaker 6 (24:06):
What do you make of his personality? So the Jucks
so all of it. So listen the Josh Allen comp.
I struggled with only because Josh so much of Josh's
greatness is just brute force, just how big and strong
and so like the So I I that comp. I
can't wrap my mind around. But so let me just
(24:27):
go through all of it. The fact of the matter is,
and people were, you know, kind of dancing around it.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
There was a lot of.
Speaker 6 (24:36):
Without saying it, people are like, ah, I think the
guy's too effeminate. That they didn't like that he cried,
They didn't like that he painted his nails, and they
didn't like that He was fine with it like that
he was He knew people were gonna have that criticism
and he didn't care. I thought that critique from the
beginning was nonsense. People were like, ah, well, locker rooms
follow him. And the answer is if he's good, absolutely
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like nobody knows. As long as he's good, no one
will care. And if he's bad, you know, all of
a sudden, not painting his fingernails won't do anything. So
that I dismissed that criticism. The him not being great
at layups is a fair critique. But if you were
to ask me Colin, here are fifteen traits that make
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a quarterback make up an NFL quarterback. Pick one that
is most fixable, I would say, not great at layups.
The stuff he is great at not only is it
not like fixable, it's not teachable, right, And so give
me the guy who has the inherent greatness in him,
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and then pair him with someone like Ben Johnson whose
job it is to help him with the other stuff.
I would say this after last year hit I thought
he finish his rookie year.
Speaker 3 (25:57):
Well behind schedule.
Speaker 6 (25:59):
I think now he's not only on schedule, but ahead
of schedule. And still the completion percentage is crummy, and
if not for an onside kick recovery, he wouldn't have
gotten any of the highlight moments that we got against
the Packers. But after that onside kick.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
The fourth and.
Speaker 6 (26:17):
Four play was unbelievable, and the throw in overtime might
have been the play of the year in the NFL.
And he's young and he's figuring it out, and Ben
Johnson is, you know, ushering him along. So I love
what he's doing. I believe in the Bears to a degree.
Do I think they're gonna win four playoff games to
win the Super Bowl?
Speaker 3 (26:37):
No?
Speaker 6 (26:37):
But do I think that nobody wants to play them? Absolutely?
One small critique about the Bears, and this was Ben
Johnson's issue in Detroit two, And I like Ben, you
can be a little too cute for school sometimes. Buddy,
it's fourth and one in the first.
Speaker 3 (26:54):
Quarter against the Packers.
Speaker 6 (26:55):
Maybe that's not when you call your trick play that
involves aping the ball between your tight ends, legs two
your five to nine running backs so he can throw
a pass to your quarterback.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Maybe save that one for a.
Speaker 6 (27:10):
Lower leverage moment. But I think overall, Bears fan's got
to be over the moon.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
By the way, m My only criticism ever of McVeigh
was in his first two or three years, he showed
off a little bit. He would do stuff you're like
on run the ball, Todd Gurley, Let's just do that, okay, correct.
I want to show you know America should be proud
of us. You now have pivoted to a pro Bills guy,
and I am an abject Charger Homer because I love
Herbert and hardball.
Speaker 2 (27:33):
They did not make my Herd hierarchy.
Speaker 6 (27:35):
I was shocked by that, Okay.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
I wanted to ask you about it.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Okay, So I put him at eleven. And my takeaway
is I have to put Josh Allen in. I don't
know what to do with the Chargers. Where do you
put him on that list? Well, that's my problem I am.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
So here's what my response would be.
Speaker 6 (27:56):
And I'm not as high on the Chargers as you
obviously are. Is our pal Danny Parkins, who I'm pretty
sure thanks Justin. Herbert's the third or fourth greatest quarterback
in the history of the NFL. I think they're better
than the Texans right now. So the Texans, I don't
know how much people watch Texans Raiders well, but the
Texans offense, Colin is a problem. And here is my
(28:22):
Here would be my concern for Houston because I like Demiko.
The defense is obviously sensational when the fourteen teams, i'm sorry,
the seven teams that make the AFC Playoffs, if we
were to power rank each team's offense and defense, so
like the number one unit might be Denver's defense. Number
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two might be the Texans defense, Number three, Bill's offense,
whatever on down would fourteenth be the Houston Texans offense.
Are they going to walk into the AFC Playoffs with
the worst unit offense or defense of either of any
team in it? I think they might and so that,
(29:03):
but I agree with you. I would have the Bills
ahead of the Chargers. I think the job that Kyle
Shanahan's done with San Francisco is unbelievable. And Colin, just
so you know, be ready, I can't believe we're gonna
be pulled into it again.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
But after you and.
Speaker 6 (29:20):
I one declared victory was drawing borders for the Great
brock Purty War of the twenty twenties, we're back in it.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Now.
Speaker 6 (29:29):
Everyone's gonna forget that Mac Jones did all the exact
same stuff, and we're gonna hear about how elite this
player is after last night, but the night so, I
think all of those teams except for the Texans. I
think i'd have ahead of the Chargers, so the Texans
would be the spot. But I appreciate your integrity by
not having, you know, just fitting in your beloved Los
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Angeles Chargers.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
I like to put friends in the hurt higher argu
I don't know what to do. I had them at eleven.
Nick right is always buddy.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Great stuff, great to see. I see account.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
I did this last night.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
I sent it to Kyle, our producer, after the Niners game,
and I sat there and I literally had Chargers jumping
over like a fence. I was having these weird dreams.
I'm like, what am I doing? These are my friends.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
I don't know what to do with them. Buffalo's got
to be in it.
Speaker 4 (30:15):
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Speaker 1 (30:31):
I like the Texans plus two and a half seven
game winning streak. They clinch a playoff berth with a win.
They're only loss by more than three points one against Seattle.
That's it, Well, Seattle, beats up with a lot of people.
Woody Marx is back huge part of their offense. The
Chargers eighteenth in the NFL on offense since Week eleven
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because their offensive line is using backups. Three of the
chargers four wins during their four game winning streak have
come against the Raiders, Chiefs, and Cowboys. The Texans defense
is so good.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
Even on the road.
Speaker 1 (31:07):
It's dominating number one in the league. I'm taking the points.
Texans twenty three, Chargers twenty one.
Speaker 2 (31:14):
Take the points. Seahawks at Panthers.
Speaker 1 (31:18):
I wish it was seven and a half, but I'll
take it at seven. Panthers at home, fighting to win
the NFC South one game lead over Tampa.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm taking the points.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
Anybody noticing Bryce Young in the last month, last three games,
He's a pro bowler, six touchdowns, no picks. He's been
on fire in the last three game. The Seahawks are
coming off a tough, physical, overtime game season high ninety
two defensive snaps against the Rams. The last two games,
they won both at home by a combined three points.
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The offense for Seattle doesn't quite feel right. This is
a long trip. They could be looking ahead of the playoffs. Oh,
just beat the Rams. We're amazing Seattle wins. I'm absolutely
taking the points here. Twenty seven to twenty three Hawks
(32:11):
Eagles at Bills. I'm in the minority. I like Philly
plus two and a half. Great run team, bad run defense.
They're thirty five and two when they win the turnover
battle under Nick Siriani's seven to zero this year, and
they usually do. Jalen herts the last two weeks. Something
is working, even Greg Cosel told us Sakuon Barkley last
three games, averaging five and a half of carry.
Speaker 2 (32:32):
The A line now getting healthy, folks.
Speaker 1 (32:34):
The Bills have trailed in each of their last eight games.
They've trailed in the second half of six of their
last seven. They play with their food. They're not good
on third down. The Bills can't defend the run. I'm
taking the Eagles and the points better overall roster twenty
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eight twenty four.
Speaker 2 (32:56):
Philly Bears at forty nine er.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
I like Chicago with extra rest plus three Dj Moore
and Caleb Williams.
Speaker 2 (33:05):
Last five games.
Speaker 1 (33:06):
DJ moris five touchdown catches, tied for most in the league.
The offense. He get all the big plays without any
other turnovers. Listen, the Niners are hot, but four of
their five wins came against Cleveland, Arizona, the Titans, and
the Colts brought purty trailing this year. Is a different
quarterback sixty three percent completion percentage and their defense. Here's
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the story of the game. The Niners defense not only
has the fewest sacks in the NFL, seven fewer than
the next fewest, and opposing quarterbacks have a passer rating
of one to oh one against the Niners. Christian McCaffrey
just came off a twenty seven touch game. The Niners
are zero to four off McCaffrey games where he's got
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twenty seven or more touches. Bears win it take the
points twenty eight to twenty.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
Seven Cardinals at Bengals.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
I like the over fifty three and a half twenty
ninth ranked scoring defense against the worst ranked defense, banged
up defenses that are bad to begin with. The weather
it's gonna be a little wet temperature not a factor.
The Cardinals defense is bad and it's gotten worse. Allowed
forty plus points in two of their last three games.
(34:23):
The Bengals. They're averaging twenty seven a game with Burrow.
So you're talking about atrocious defenses, banged up. I like
Cincinnati to win the game. I think it's a bit
of a shootout. I'm gonna take the over Cincinnati Arizona
over fifty three and a half points, thirty.
Speaker 2 (34:43):
Twenty seven Bengals win.
Speaker 1 (34:46):
So a lot of underdogs have not done that once
this year four underdogs and one over
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