January 2, 2026 • 34 mins
In this hour of The Herd, college football analyst Josh Pate joins Colin to opine on Miami's win over Ohio State, the Big Ten's overall dominance the last few years in college football, Arch Manning's first full year as a starting quarterback at Texas, and more! Finally, it's another edition of Tomorrow's Headlines...Today!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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to the Herd Podcast. Last year, Ohio State won the Natty,
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but it was the way in which they won.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
They had a.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Dominant backfield Judkins and Traveon Henderson, who are both flourishing
in the NFL. This year's Ohio State team pretty mid
on the old line in a couple of spots, could
not block Miami up front, not much of a power
run game, and they put a lot of their offense
on Julian Sayan's shoulders, and he looked a little outclassed
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against Miami. Josh Pate, who does a remarkable job. He's
got the Josh pay College Football Show on YouTube. You
see him all over the internet.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We love him.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So I gotta be honest. I thought Miami was the side.
If you were a better I thought nine and a
half was a lot. I think I told you I
saw them play pitt and I was like, Okay, this
team is no fun to play. They just throwing Pitt
all over the field for a warm weather team going
into Pittsburgh. How surprised were you by the bullying Miami
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did to the Buck Eyes?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Man, not as high on the scale as you would think.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I was.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I think we were on the same side.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So you took buck guys to win canes to cover
I think that's where I was. I don't know that
many people watched Miami down to stretch Colin. You didn't
have a conference title game to watch him.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I think people tuned out on him after probably the
SMU game because they thought their season was over. And
to be frank or to be honest, if you even
looked at Miamis schedule after that, there was nowhere they
were going to earn anyone's trust back because no one
respected the back half of their schedule, including the pit game,
Like no one respected that Notre Dame went up there
and smoked them too, So nobody was really going to
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be bought back in Miami. It was going to take
something like we saw and when it happened, like there
were there were some folks I hinted it this last
week that said Miami's a nearly a double digit dog,
and I don't remember a double digit dog ever in
my mind having an O line D line edge.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Oh, by the way, they've got the QB experience edge.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And boy, I took some knives to the chest for
that last week because I think people had to see it.
Like I'm not even hating on folks. People had to
see it, and then they finally saw it. And it's
jarring because the one thing, even if I thought Miami
had the edges, the one thing I didn't think anyone
was going to do is just totally out physical Ohio state.
And it wasn't to the degree like Indiana did Alabama.
It wasn't to that degree, but they did have those
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decided edges. And that's a place in Columbus, Ohio that
just flat out and didn't believe that was possible.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So I had said a couple of years ago, I said,
I thought the Big Ten would eventually. I didn't think
it would be overnight, but had a chance to overtake
the SEC. Now the SEC footprint, there's more great high
school players. But I said, you know, these large Big
Ten schools flushed forty thousand kids, you know, into the
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job market.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
They love their schools.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
The endowments at Michigan they're massive, and I said, I
think they're going to buy a bunch of players. And
now here comes Rich USC and Rich Oregon. Are you
know you have been following college football for a long time,
especially the SEC. Are you kind of surprised? You wake
up and you're like, is the big ten at the top?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Better?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Are you surprised by what we saw over the last three.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Weeks two weeks?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It makes sense once you say it all out, like
once you write it down on paper, it makes sense.
It was kind of like the Miami microcosm there we
just laid out. People had to see it, and me included,
I had to see it to believe it. And so
obviously we're in a blender in college football, have been
for the past five years. A lot of stuff changing.
I think for a long time, talent was currency. I
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mean currency got talent in the SEC, but the talent
was the currency as well in the SEC in fortifying
the argument that they had the dominance and whatnot, it
also made them very loose with other practices. And I'm
telling you, Colin, this is some of the feedback that
I'm getting more and more of, But it's also some
of the observations that I've made. Because they out talented
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people so thoroughly, they got loose with a lot of
other practices in the SEC, not the least of which
was staffing.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Now they went and hired top of the line head coaches.
That much is clear.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
But one of the things that disappointed me the most
and underwhelmed me the most when I sort of really
got my hands around how various aspects.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Of the sport works was how staffs come together.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Because I always thought it was a mad scientist pulling
levers behind the curtain, and really all it was was
your representation, get you that head coaching job, and then
you just fill your building with a lot of their clients,
and you look at it you almost think there's no way.
That's the way it works. Well in the South, in
a lot of cases, that's the way it works. And
so I'm not even speaking about Alabama specifically, this is
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a situation where you got folks who are ill qualified
to have top of the line assistant coaching positions, to
have off field positions, administrative positions, and it's just it's
lazy because you could have been lazy when you had
that big a talent edge.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You don't have the big talent edge anymore.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And the Big ten for a long time has just
gone about their business a different way. They largely have
merit based hiring practices, and therefore you get really really
good status.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And in some cases it's not a coincidence.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
They're stat's full of guys whose names you haven't heard
of a whole lot because they haven't been promoted a
whole lot relative to their Southern counterparts.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
But they're better.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And so then you get on the field and you
start asking questions like, let's look at Indiana and Alabama specifically.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
You start asking questions like, how could this happen? How
could Alabama have the former recruiting rankings talent edge? How
could this be? How could that be?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It's because there are no wobbly parts at Indiana now.
Everything that's all the lego pieces are in place and everything.
That guy right there, that's Kurt Signetti, everything he says,
Saban said a decade and a half ago.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
They've put it in practice there and this is the result.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
The you know, I really think it's a Miami Indiana Final.
I don't know if old Miss can make stops. What
do we make of Oregon? I think Dante More is
a year away. I just watched them play yesterday, and
I'm like, they played with their food. I just feel
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like we could have two lobsided games. I saw Indiana
beat Oregon at Oregon and it wasn't as close as
the score.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
What do we make of Oregon?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Cause I think we both agreed that Miami and Indiana
looked the part they look like national champs?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is Oregon in that class?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
What a sentence?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Man?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Just go back a month.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Miami and Indiana just your your obvious national championship matchup
is wild. We're already sitting at a point by the
way where we're going to have a new national champion
head coach. So someone's gonna win their first no matter what.
I right now, as we sit here today, I'm with you.
I think back to yesterday. So here's what our instinct is.
I think you'll probably be aligned with me on this.
Your instinct is when you watch a team do what
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Oregon did yesterday and they win a game, they shut
out someone in a playoff game, like that's a big deal.
But when they do that and there's so many mistakes,
it's just riddled with inefficiency. What you think is kind
of to have a better's mentality. Wow, So there's still
a lot of upside with that team. There's still a
lot of runs on their ladder they could climb in
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terms of efficiency.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well I'm going to bank on that. Well, we're running
out of games to bank on.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It is the point, like, if we're doing that in
Week four, that makes a lot of sense. But this
is the postseason, and everything about you says Oregon should
have come out razor shark yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
They didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Their defense afforded them the ability to have a ton
of mistakes offensively. I just again, I had some instincts
about Alabama against Indiana, like I thought, oh, they may
get right against them. No, one's getting right again against Indiana.
Is the most glaring lesson that I've learned in this
whole ordeal Ohio State, Like they're not figuring out how
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to open up their offense against Indian And Alabama's not
figuring out how to have a more efficient ground game
and to work that intermediate deep passing game.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Even though they got healthy, that's not happening.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So in the end, it just exposes more of what
already are your flaws. You don't correct them against Indiana.
I know that line came out three and a half
or four, and that's a huge swing off of what
they had on the field in Eugene. But I think
we've had a huge perception change since then as well.
So until further notice, I'm working with you. I see
it the same way you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Do, Bob.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Before we go, arch Manning played really well. It's Michigan.
I mean, they're a bit of a mess now, but
our arch has always been athletic, the most athletic, kind
of like the you know, the older the grandfather Archie
Manning for the Saints ran around all over the field.
And then Peyton and Eli are pocket guys. Is Texas
the number one in that conference next year? Are the
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Longhorns with arches play?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
What does the South look like?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Because I know next year Michigan will be better, Oregon,
Washington UFC should be. I kind of know who's going
to be good. I don't in the South, I don't
know who's good. Is Texas the team.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
To beat next year?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It's a really important two weeks coming up. Right here
in the portal to answer the question you just asked.
But I think, yeah, they may. I mean, and you're
going to have a lot of boy cried wolfe syndrome.
I can just picture sec media days now. I think
it's in Tampa next year because he when Arch Manning
and Texas came in there this last year. I haven't
seen anything like that since Tua and then Manziel before him,
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and then Tebow before him in terms of just a
throng of people following him. He's got all these preseason
accolades and then he doesn't live up to their expectations immediately,
so then Texas gets written off. But then at the
very end of the year, all of a sudden, oh oh,
that's what we were looking at. So he's going to
get coorinated again, and people are going to doubt it
because all they're going to say all off season is, well,
that's what you said last year.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It may be right this year. It may have just
been a year early last year.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I yeah, I would say right now, they would probably
be the favorite. I just think back to myself and
I think about how different his situation is. He's in
a situation where he doesn't need to go chase NFL
money immediately, and you just look at the maturation process.
And because there's such bigger expectation placed on guys, they
look at it.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
You know, if it's a bag of popcorn.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And I put it in my microwave over here, they think, well,
since there's higher expectation, we just take it out after
forty two seconds. It says a minute on the bag though,
So everyone's bag has a timer on it, and it
doesn't matter how big a bag you've got, an nil,
it's going to take that much time before you're ready.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It may just be that Arts needed this much time.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You saw him, like, look Michigan, Michigan not a highly
rated team than playoff teams as usual this year, but
that's not a bad defensive team either, and that athletic profile.
Just him doing that right there, combined with a third
season under Steve Sarkisian. Yeah, I trust you'll get a
complete game from him next year.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Josh, Hey, it's all over YouTube volume. We use them
as much as we can. Great see anybody, happy New Year.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Appreciate it. Collin, same to you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, I think the portal opens up today. So it's
a buying season. It's Christmas in college football. The portal
has opened up, and I got a rush to my phone. Here,
I gotta go find out what's happening.
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Speaker 2 (12:04):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Heard on the news, This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, portals is exciting as NFL free agency, Colin, I'm
fired up. Let's go to the NFL and Lamar Jackson
obviously announced he's practicing.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
He's a go.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
However, he's also combating those rumors. Remember a week ago,
right before Christmas, there was a report out of Baltimore
that he was falling asleep into meetings.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Jack getting longer.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Well, Lamar waited, waited, He waited over a week to reply,
and here he is addressing those rumors.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
I got any question about or I hear things about. Oh,
I don't know if he was like, I never quit
on my team before, you know, so I never quit
any king of y'all. So I don't know what I
noise came from. I heard I was playing a game
that like one to two in the morning. I don't
even do that on summer, So I know where I
come from. But yeah, I don't know, man, I don't know.
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I don't know what that come for.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He said that you own.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
Do you think Harbaugh let you.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Red in the front?
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Man?
Speaker 8 (13:16):
I don't know, man, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I mean, it's a legitimate reporter, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Listen, If Lamar comes out Sunday and it's magical, then
nobody cares about anything. But if he comes out he struggles,
they lose. It's not the end of the world. Ravens
are well run, but it's it's that's what I think.
The game itself will be ugly, but the magnitude of
the loser going forward is fascinating. Like Seattle, San Francisco
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is two excellent teams, Baltimore Pittsburgh is two struggling teams.
One is going to have an ugly off season. So
I think it's a fascinating watch on Sunday night.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
You know, it's I don't want to split hairs here, Colin,
but falling asleep in team meetings, I mean, there's a
big difference between dozing off, which somebody may characterize as
falling asleep, versus straight up falling asleep head down, you're out.
I don't think this guy would make something like that up.
All right, that's a bad look. So it's pretty clear
that something happened in the team meetings. Harball, I don't
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think has addressed them. But to counter that, it's like,
well if, Harbaugh, what if I do I have to
address every single rumor about all my players.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So there's really no win here.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
But you're right, if the Steelers managed to win this,
that will be an interesting offseason in Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
And we know Pittsburgh obviously, we don't know, like Tomlin,
we don't know about Rogers. Yeah, that division could look
very different. What's gonna happen in Cleveland? What's gonna happen
with Zach Taylor? I mean, hell, could they lose three
or four coaches in that division this offseason? Would anything
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surprise you? No, it's a wacky situation. All right, Let's
move on to the big matchup. Brock Perdy hosting Colin's guy,
Sam Darnold in a nice Seahawks tilt for the ages.
How about Christian McCaffrey Colin being a workhorse this season?
You had that stat on him getting twenty seven carries
or twenty seven touches. Rather, he's had that in back
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to back weeks.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Now.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Mike McDonald of Seattle was asked, how do you prepare
for Christian McCaffrey here?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
He is what he said, all the.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Plays you're just that's that's what That's what you.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
I guess it's a terrible answer, but it's by situation again.
You know, like, who do you have in the field,
who do they have in the field, where's the ball?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
You know, are you trying to attack?
Speaker 9 (15:39):
Are you trying to kind of hedgees that those are
the things you're thinking about. But he's definitely someone you
have to account for at all times. And they do
a great job of moving around. I mean, you can
do everything, so you have to account for everything.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
There's just nobody else in the league like McCaffrey. I mean,
it really isn't simp in Carolina days, there's nobody like him.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Now, Interestingly, some Niners fans have dug into it. So
in that earlier meeting San Fran at Seattle Week one,
the Niners lost Juwan Jennings and Kittle in that game,
remember the game winning catches by Jake Tungus, who nobody
had ever heard of. Yep, So if Kittle's able to play,
we know Jennings is played, all of a sudden, you've
got your full arsenal guys.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
I think that's a big edge for the Niners Colin.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I know people want to say, well, you know, the
defense can't stop anybody can Seattle stop or slow this
Diners offense. They're a juggernut. Now, the defenses they faced
Colts Bears not elite. Seattle's pretty elite, would you.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Say, yeah, Seattle's defense, Chicago's like gives up big plays.
The Bears defense is a liability. It's not even a
it's it's a problem. That's what's going to keep the
Bears out of winning multiple playoff games is their defense.
They get they get gash for big plays at bad spots.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Now, remember just a few weeks ago the Rams had
thirty points through what three quarters against Seattle on the road,
and earlier this season, Baker Mayfield, when he was hot,
went to Seattle and I think they scored thirty five
or thirty eight points. So it can be done. Let's
not act like they're the eighty five Bears here, that's right.
I just can we make a handshake agreement that whoever
wins will not just totally trash the opposing quarterback.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Come on, man, I need you.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
If Donald somehow wins this, I don't want this to
be an indictment of Rock Perdy.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
No, and I'm not gonna hammer Donald. You know, I
like him.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
He was a former Jet.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
No, I think it's a very compared I think it's
a I think it qualifies one of the better pro
football games in America this year.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, there's also so much at stake.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
The number one seed is massive, just enormous in the NFC,
which is a gone.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Well, especially a number one seed.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
If you're San Francisco dude, Trent Kittle, Yeah, Seattle is
not better off with time off. Seattle's young, they want
to play. San Francisco could use a week off. There
is no question. Philadelphia and San Francisco were two of
the only teams in the league could use time off.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Colin, You go from hosting a game and getting a buye,
hosting every game and getting a buye to on the
road next week, Like that's that's totally different. One of
them might have to go to Philadelphia across the country.
Final story, Colin, let's go to Trayvon Diggs. The Cowboys
dumped him earlier this week, and guess what, the Green
Bay Packers scooped him up.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
I think we might have predicted that here on the show.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Matt Lafleur, how about this one hasn't ruled out the
possibility of Diggs playing in the regular season finale. Now
we know the Packers' defense is really beat up and
diggs production has not been great this season, but he's
confidence in bouncing back after a change of scenery.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
I'll just be myself, you know, be who I know
I am. Go out there and perform, and everything will
take care of yourself, you know, not chasing accolades or
not chasing anything I'm chasing, you know, being a better meet,
being better every day, you know, helping us to it
feels good, you know. Is I want to be comfortable
with being uncomfortable with being somewhere that you know I've
never been before. Just starting over, starting fresh, you know,
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a clean slave.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, Colin, we talked a little bit about teams that
are rested and beat up. I went back and looked,
do you want to guess who had the earliest buy
this season week five with the first week.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Of eyes green Bay? Green Bay?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Then now also Chicago that week at the earliest buy
in Pittsburgh. So those are teams that have been playing
straight through for three months now. I think that shouldn't
factor into the handicap for anybody who's betting next week
in the wildcard round.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
All right, good note J Mack with a news. Well
that's the news and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
By the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Josh paton RG three Blazing five. J Mac has his
picks next.
Speaker 6 (19:57):
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Speaker 2 (20:08):
Great to have you in Happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Everybody yesterday was just you know it is college football
has got a lot of fans who were really really
traditional driven, and I mean for about a fifteen year period,
all we got in college football, let's be honest about it,
was Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama maybe throwing an LSU.
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And now we get Oregon, and we get Ole Miss,
and we get Indiana and we get Miami, and that's
you know, like college basketball sells mythology that all these
different teams have a chance to win it, but it's
always number one, two or three seeds occasionally a four
in college football. I don't think anybody in November first
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thought Miami and Ole Miss we're gonna be here, especially
with Lane Kiffen leaving.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
So the new reality in the.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Sport is Georgia can't stop a good offense, Bama can't run.
You know a lot of people are saying Kaylen de
Bor's in trouble. Kaylnd Bor is a great coach. He's
a great coach Alabama. Let's be totally honest. Scott worked
beginning to end quarterback o line run game. If you
watched Alabama, watched them a half dozen times, they couldn't
run the football all year. You're not a national championship team.
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I think you have to play real defense to win
a Natty. Ole Miss can't win the Natty. Oregon could.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But I think.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Indiana Miami feel in this day and age NFL guys
all over the field really physical first above everything else,
and I think they should be favored.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Didn't Oregon just pitch a shutout?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Though?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
I mean that that defense shocked me. The kid in
the back end with duepick.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I mean, Oregon recruits to the high level, but they don't.
I mean to me, they played with their food that game.
If Indiana played Texas Tech, do you have any doubt
it would have been forty five to nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I mean it just they were ohringing.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
But the Dante Moore angle against Mendoza essentially, I don't
want to say four to the number one pick, but
this is a chance for Dante Moore to be like, Hey,
I'm that guy.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Jmac with the nude. Oh excuse me, my bad. We
go to headlines today Tomorrow's headlines Today lost mice. It's
the new year, you know. I mean, everybody's a little fuzzy.
I had so many chicken and en gelados last night.
So listen, you got your five picks. I've had a
very good season. I need to have a winning record. I
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want to feel good with my last blazing five. This
is your I mean, we you're gonna do more in
the playoffs, but this is a full slate of game
a lot of them with backups. So it's a very
treacherous week to make picks.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
You like to say, you don't like to bet week one.
You don't want to do a blazing five Week one, right,
that's the one you want to punch on.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
This is the one you don't want.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
This is the one I don't like because everybody I
just saw one. Dale Robinson's out for the Giants. I
know people are like, who He's had a great season,
and I love the Giants. Glad they did not put
them in headlines. But yeah, it's very difficult to find
out who who's playing.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Okay, Panthers box is your first game up?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, so they just met a couple of weeks ago,
Panthers with a surprising victory.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
This one's for the division.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
The headline for Panthers Buccaneers will be Airbnb Bryce out
battles Baker for Southern sweep Colin I'm doing it. I'm
taking Carolina on the road to win outright. I just
you know, we joked that Tampa's been leaking oil. No way,
this is like the Titanic taking on water. I mean,
they haven't covered in eight straight weeks. They can't get
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anything right. This Baker injury that he won't talk about,
clearly something's wrong with him.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
What happened to Abuca?
Speaker 5 (23:45):
He was having an unbelievable year. He kind of just
stopped catching passes. They're not looking at him anymore. I
don't know what's going on with Tampa. So I'm taking Carolina.
And of course Carolina had fifty four yards passing last
week against Seattle. However, some fun stats Carolina has he
wins as an underdog most in the Super Bowl era.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's incredible.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And also after a loss of season seven or zero
against the spread, Canalis has his guys bouncing back. Rico
Dwell I saw needs like seven scrimmage yards to trigger
a one million dollar bonus.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Hello, So I'm gonna go with Carolina.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
On the road.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Take it down, Tampa.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Listen, I know the side you're on.
I want to hear the Seahawks at the Niners.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
We go back and forth on this all week, all season.
Really with these two. You love Seattle, I love the
other team. The headline for Niners Seahawks will be halfmcalfe
Seattle jittery after pot of pendy. You know, I'm a
brock pretty guy. Hey man, listen, it's undeniable Colin. He
has been so good since he's back. We saw the
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Niners do well with mac Jones, better than treading water. Well,
now they get rock Perdy and they make the jump
to light speed and they have been unbelievable in the
month of December. I just can't go against this team
right now. Now. Obviously, if they don't have Kittle or
Trent Williams, that's not great. It sounds like, you know,
parsing words from Shanahan. He thinks Trent Williams will play.
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Kittle is going to try to give it a go.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
But if they.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Get that win at home Boy, having the number one seed,
not having to leave Santa Clara, that would be enormous.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm sorry, Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I saw Sam Donald late last year and he kind
of fell apart, and I saw it in the playoffs,
and then we started to see it a lot this month.
They got lucky against the Rams the punt return. Things
bounce their way. I can't go against San Fray in here,
and I will just say it's Kyle Shanahan seven and
one straight up, six and two against the spread. He's
dominated Seattle of late, not all those against McDonald.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
I do want to go back to that first meeting, though.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Boso was a monster, had a sack, three tackles for loss,
force fumble. Now he's out. What can Sala do to
find a Bosa? You can't find one of those on
the bench. You're gonna have to do something exotic. Do
you remember what he did against Caleb on the final play?
He rushed to Caleb was like, what's going on? Robert
Sala dropped defensive tackles that the goal line in the coverage.
It was masterful. Can he dial up something like that?
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I'm going with San France as an underdog.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Tomorrow's headlines today Colts Texans on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Who you got?
Speaker 10 (26:11):
Now?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Listen?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
We talk about riding hot teams. One of these teams
is hot, the other most definitely not. The headline for
Colts Texans in the AFC South will be the Frio
Grande Texans float.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
By Chili Rivers.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Philip Rivers obviously not starting their turning to Riley Leonard.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Remember how much you loved him in noted. Do you
want to watch him plays? I think he's an interesting prospect.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, you want to watch him run for his life
against will Anderson and Hunter coming off the edge.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
The Colts are just a sad story.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
They went all in with Sauce Gardner and then it
fell apart. Daniel Jones got hurt and Sauce Gardner got hurt.
Sausage looks like he will play here. I just I'm
gonna ride with the Texans. Some things to watch. I
think Demico Ryans. He's had some hot starts, including last
week against the Chargers, but then they've tailed off.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You've got to keep that momentum.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Unbelievable stat Collins, so inside the five yard line, Texans
have been terrible in the red zone. Inside the five,
they have twenty three carries for four yards this season,
three touchdowns. They can't figure it out the offensive line
camp block. They've got to nail that down heading into
the postseason. This feels to me like a twenty seven
to nine type Texans win, win with the defense, and
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prevail and head to the postseason.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Tomorrow's headlines Today, you told me to keep my eye
on this one. I did Brown's Bengals in Sincy.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Yeah, there's only one game I really like, and that's
this one, Bengals hosting the Browns. The headline for Sincey
and Cleveland will be schinre at the thought since he's
skyline too Chili for Browns. Nice worked by the artistic
team there.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I like Burrow here. Listen. If there's a.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Team trying hard late in the season, especially since Burrow
came back four out of five games, they've topped thirty points.
I don't know if they're trying to save Zach Taylor's
job or what. Seems like he's probably safe due to
the cheap ownership, but they have looked good late in
the season, and I know Cleveland's good at home.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right, five and one against the spread.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Is a dog this season at home, you go on
the road, one in five is an underdog. How about
this six and eighteen against the spread on the road.
The last two years, they just don't seem to show up. Obviously,
the Miles Garrett situation will be fun to watch. Maybe
Burrow takes a sack early. I think he gets the
record and we move on. But by the way, Shaduur
likely to be down three offensive linemen Yep and Harold
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Fannin the good rookie tight end Djoku.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Were going to be out.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
We know the running backs injured after they lost fann
In to injury. They didn't have a drive last week
over forty yards. There just aren't any guys. I think
this is Bengals thirty five to ten.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Finally, tomorrow's headlines today at Sunday night, Ravens Lamar are.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Supposed to play against.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
The surviving Steelers.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
I guess somebody's gonna get beat up badly on Monday.
Here by you the headline for Steelers Ravens on Sunday,
and I will be less is Lamar Ravens come up
short with QB back. I'm going with the Steelers here.
It's not a super confident play, but Mike Tomlin against
John Harbaugh is an underdog four fourteen and three against
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the spread. Basically, just take the dog in this series.
I think Pittsburgh is not a good football team, but
I don't think much of Baltimore Colin. I know people
are making the case, hey, get Lamar into the playoffs,
they're going to have a shot. I don't know, man,
I think Pittsburgh wins this outright. I mean it's kind
of a risky call. Pittsburgh did beat them a few
weeks ago, but when they beat them, Lamar was there,
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Derrek Henry was there. So I just you know, the
DK Metcalf loss obviously is a big one. But Arthur Smith,
I think can dial up some stuff here. Sixteen thirteen Steelers.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, I've been thinking about this
the last couple of days. I was watching college football
and how much the games mattered. You know, there's a
lot of talk they're going to extend the season to
eighteen games, and I'm like, guy that this week is
last two weeks have been like choppy.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
By the way, are you surprised that they made this
the month the Sunday night game as opposed to Seahawks Niners.
I'm just guessing it's because of the markets and the
East Coast.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You know, larger audis it's the TV audience.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
The better game is Seattle Sanfrand oh.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I meant Bears Niners last week was maybe the game
of the year. So I expect more of the same
Seattle's defense, Niners offense. I think it's just it's gonna
be big numbers.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
It's gonna be sometimes the league it feels like prioritizes
TV audience overall, just so they can brag about ratings.
But Seattle Sanfrin is an amazing game, and I think
that should be Sunday night. Plus the Niners could use
an extra day of rest.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You know, one of the things I.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Thought Indiana would hammer Alabama, but I thought Fernando Mandoza
really put a stamp on the game. You know, I
love mock drafts. I literally read them every day. If
you don't think for I know Mendoza is going number one.
I don't know what to tell you. If you don't
think he's a first round quarterback, I don't have to
tell you. Don't overthink through. I remember when Andrew Luck
came out. I don't think he's as good as Hendrew Luck.
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But when Andrew Luck came out, there were people like,
I don't know about his arm I'm like it was fine.
Mendoes is big, he can move well enough. I think
his arm strength is good. This is a pro style offense,
so he's an easy guy to do comps for.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's an easy guy to read.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
So I mean, I'm just really interested to see because
I am shocked at the people who thought Alabama could
win this game. I'm shocked at the pushback on Fernando Mendoz.
I've always trusted my instincts on this quarterback stuff. It's
just the way he sets up the velocity. I mean,
he never like he always it's really hard to intercept
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his ball, Like in the end zone he throws that
he makes sure his guy only can catch it. Here's
RG three earlier on Mendoza.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
I love Fernando Mendoza because Bannana Mendoza knows who he is,
and I've seen some of the memes of like he
sounds like chat GBT when you ask him a question
after a game. It's funny. It really is funny. But
the thing I love about him is he's going to process.
He's gonna do it well. He's gonna do what his
team needs. Him to do. I think he's a first
round pick. I think he's a top ten pick. I
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think coaches are going.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
To love him. He's a big kid. Like you said,
size does.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
Matter, but he can make every throw on the field,
and he's not afraid of the big moments.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Colin, let me ask you a quick question here. So
let's say Mendoza goes one to the Raiders. Let's say
Pete Carroll is pushed out. If you're the Raiders, don't
you at least have to call Kurt Signetti and just ask, hey, man,
I know Indiana's paying you ten twelve million.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Dollars, do you have any interest in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Can he?
Speaker 7 (32:47):
I mean, what he's done in two years is one
of the great storms.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's college.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
There's I mean, Brian Flores top my list, Mike McCarthy,
I think Jeff Halfley.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
So a lot of people are down with a retread.
And that's not negative against these guys that.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Jeff Athley has coached college, so he gets the college game.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And what did he do in Boston College?
Speaker 7 (33:10):
I mean, I didn't see anything like Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, but they don't. They don't care about football like
big ten teams care about football, even at Indiana, Indy,
you don't even want to ask him. Wouldn't be my choice?
Would I would ask him at any college football job,
including Bama.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I mean, but I think you know.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Indiana's got a very good business school, Mark Cuban. Obviously,
there's two or three families lined up. This is what
the NIL allows for Texas, Tech and Indiana. Everybody said,
all the rich will get richer with the NIL. Well,
how much richer and dominant could Georgia get? I love Miami, Indiana,
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old Miss Oregon.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
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but it was the way in which they won.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
They had a.
Speaker 1 (00:27):
Dominant backfield Judkins and Traveon Henderson, who are both flourishing
in the NFL. This year's Ohio State team pretty mid
on the old line in a couple of spots, could
not block Miami up front, not much of a power
run game, and they put a lot of their offense
on Julian Sayan's shoulders, and he looked a little outclassed
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against Miami. Josh Pate, who does a remarkable job. He's
got the Josh pay College Football Show on YouTube. You
see him all over the internet.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
We love him.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
So I gotta be honest. I thought Miami was the side.
If you were a better I thought nine and a
half was a lot. I think I told you I
saw them play pitt and I was like, Okay, this
team is no fun to play. They just throwing Pitt
all over the field for a warm weather team going
into Pittsburgh. How surprised were you by the bullying Miami
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did to the Buck Eyes?
Speaker 3 (01:22):
Man, not as high on the scale as you would think.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I was.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
I think we were on the same side.
Speaker 4 (01:27):
So you took buck guys to win canes to cover
I think that's where I was. I don't know that
many people watched Miami down to stretch Colin. You didn't
have a conference title game to watch him.
Speaker 5 (01:37):
Man.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
I think people tuned out on him after probably the
SMU game because they thought their season was over. And
to be frank or to be honest, if you even
looked at Miamis schedule after that, there was nowhere they
were going to earn anyone's trust back because no one
respected the back half of their schedule, including the pit game,
Like no one respected that Notre Dame went up there
and smoked them too, So nobody was really going to
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be bought back in Miami. It was going to take
something like we saw and when it happened, like there
were there were some folks I hinted it this last
week that said Miami's a nearly a double digit dog,
and I don't remember a double digit dog ever in
my mind having an O line D line edge.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Oh, by the way, they've got the QB experience edge.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
And boy, I took some knives to the chest for
that last week because I think people had to see it.
Like I'm not even hating on folks. People had to
see it, and then they finally saw it. And it's
jarring because the one thing, even if I thought Miami
had the edges, the one thing I didn't think anyone
was going to do is just totally out physical Ohio state.
And it wasn't to the degree like Indiana did Alabama.
It wasn't to that degree, but they did have those
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decided edges. And that's a place in Columbus, Ohio that
just flat out and didn't believe that was possible.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
So I had said a couple of years ago, I said,
I thought the Big Ten would eventually. I didn't think
it would be overnight, but had a chance to overtake
the SEC. Now the SEC footprint, there's more great high
school players. But I said, you know, these large Big
Ten schools flushed forty thousand kids, you know, into the
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job market.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
They love their schools.
Speaker 1 (03:09):
The endowments at Michigan they're massive, and I said, I
think they're going to buy a bunch of players. And
now here comes Rich USC and Rich Oregon. Are you
know you have been following college football for a long time,
especially the SEC. Are you kind of surprised? You wake
up and you're like, is the big ten at the top?
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Better?
Speaker 1 (03:32):
Are you surprised by what we saw over the last three.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
Weeks two weeks?
Speaker 4 (03:36):
It makes sense once you say it all out, like
once you write it down on paper, it makes sense.
It was kind of like the Miami microcosm there we
just laid out. People had to see it, and me included,
I had to see it to believe it. And so
obviously we're in a blender in college football, have been
for the past five years. A lot of stuff changing.
I think for a long time, talent was currency. I
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mean currency got talent in the SEC, but the talent
was the currency as well in the SEC in fortifying
the argument that they had the dominance and whatnot, it
also made them very loose with other practices. And I'm
telling you, Colin, this is some of the feedback that
I'm getting more and more of, But it's also some
of the observations that I've made. Because they out talented
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people so thoroughly, they got loose with a lot of
other practices in the SEC, not the least of which
was staffing.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Now they went and hired top of the line head coaches.
That much is clear.
Speaker 4 (04:30):
But one of the things that disappointed me the most
and underwhelmed me the most when I sort of really
got my hands around how various aspects.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Of the sport works was how staffs come together.
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Because I always thought it was a mad scientist pulling
levers behind the curtain, and really all it was was
your representation, get you that head coaching job, and then
you just fill your building with a lot of their clients,
and you look at it you almost think there's no way.
That's the way it works. Well in the South, in
a lot of cases, that's the way it works. And
so I'm not even speaking about Alabama specifically, this is
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a situation where you got folks who are ill qualified
to have top of the line assistant coaching positions, to
have off field positions, administrative positions, and it's just it's
lazy because you could have been lazy when you had
that big a talent edge.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
You don't have the big talent edge anymore.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
And the Big ten for a long time has just
gone about their business a different way. They largely have
merit based hiring practices, and therefore you get really really
good status.
Speaker 3 (05:27):
And in some cases it's not a coincidence.
Speaker 4 (05:29):
They're stat's full of guys whose names you haven't heard
of a whole lot because they haven't been promoted a
whole lot relative to their Southern counterparts.
Speaker 3 (05:36):
But they're better.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
And so then you get on the field and you
start asking questions like, let's look at Indiana and Alabama specifically.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
You start asking questions like, how could this happen? How
could Alabama have the former recruiting rankings talent edge? How
could this be? How could that be?
Speaker 4 (05:51):
It's because there are no wobbly parts at Indiana now.
Everything that's all the lego pieces are in place and everything.
That guy right there, that's Kurt Signetti, everything he says,
Saban said a decade and a half ago.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
They've put it in practice there and this is the result.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
The you know, I really think it's a Miami Indiana Final.
I don't know if old Miss can make stops. What
do we make of Oregon? I think Dante More is
a year away. I just watched them play yesterday, and
I'm like, they played with their food. I just feel
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like we could have two lobsided games. I saw Indiana
beat Oregon at Oregon and it wasn't as close as
the score.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
What do we make of Oregon?
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Cause I think we both agreed that Miami and Indiana
looked the part they look like national champs?
Speaker 2 (06:43):
Is Oregon in that class?
Speaker 4 (06:45):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (06:45):
What a sentence?
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Man?
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Just go back a month.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Miami and Indiana just your your obvious national championship matchup
is wild. We're already sitting at a point by the
way where we're going to have a new national champion
head coach. So someone's gonna win their first no matter what.
I right now, as we sit here today, I'm with you.
I think back to yesterday. So here's what our instinct is.
I think you'll probably be aligned with me on this.
Your instinct is when you watch a team do what
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Oregon did yesterday and they win a game, they shut
out someone in a playoff game, like that's a big deal.
But when they do that and there's so many mistakes,
it's just riddled with inefficiency. What you think is kind
of to have a better's mentality. Wow, So there's still
a lot of upside with that team. There's still a
lot of runs on their ladder they could climb in
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terms of efficiency.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Well I'm going to bank on that. Well, we're running
out of games to bank on.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
It is the point, like, if we're doing that in
Week four, that makes a lot of sense. But this
is the postseason, and everything about you says Oregon should
have come out razor shark yesterday.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
They didn't.
Speaker 4 (07:46):
Their defense afforded them the ability to have a ton
of mistakes offensively. I just again, I had some instincts
about Alabama against Indiana, like I thought, oh, they may
get right against them. No, one's getting right again against Indiana.
Is the most glaring lesson that I've learned in this
whole ordeal Ohio State, Like they're not figuring out how
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to open up their offense against Indian And Alabama's not
figuring out how to have a more efficient ground game
and to work that intermediate deep passing game.
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Even though they got healthy, that's not happening.
Speaker 4 (08:16):
So in the end, it just exposes more of what
already are your flaws. You don't correct them against Indiana.
I know that line came out three and a half
or four, and that's a huge swing off of what
they had on the field in Eugene. But I think
we've had a huge perception change since then as well.
So until further notice, I'm working with you. I see
it the same way you.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Do, Bob.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Before we go, arch Manning played really well. It's Michigan.
I mean, they're a bit of a mess now, but
our arch has always been athletic, the most athletic, kind
of like the you know, the older the grandfather Archie
Manning for the Saints ran around all over the field.
And then Peyton and Eli are pocket guys. Is Texas
the number one in that conference next year? Are the
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Longhorns with arches play?
Speaker 2 (09:00):
What does the South look like?
Speaker 1 (09:01):
Because I know next year Michigan will be better, Oregon,
Washington UFC should be. I kind of know who's going
to be good. I don't in the South, I don't
know who's good. Is Texas the team.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
To beat next year?
Speaker 4 (09:15):
It's a really important two weeks coming up. Right here
in the portal to answer the question you just asked.
But I think, yeah, they may. I mean, and you're
going to have a lot of boy cried wolfe syndrome.
I can just picture sec media days now. I think
it's in Tampa next year because he when Arch Manning
and Texas came in there this last year. I haven't
seen anything like that since Tua and then Manziel before him,
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and then Tebow before him in terms of just a
throng of people following him. He's got all these preseason
accolades and then he doesn't live up to their expectations immediately,
so then Texas gets written off. But then at the
very end of the year, all of a sudden, oh oh,
that's what we were looking at. So he's going to
get coorinated again, and people are going to doubt it
because all they're going to say all off season is, well,
that's what you said last year.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
It may be right this year. It may have just
been a year early last year.
Speaker 4 (10:04):
I yeah, I would say right now, they would probably
be the favorite. I just think back to myself and
I think about how different his situation is. He's in
a situation where he doesn't need to go chase NFL
money immediately, and you just look at the maturation process.
And because there's such bigger expectation placed on guys, they
look at it.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
You know, if it's a bag of popcorn.
Speaker 4 (10:25):
And I put it in my microwave over here, they think, well,
since there's higher expectation, we just take it out after
forty two seconds. It says a minute on the bag though,
So everyone's bag has a timer on it, and it
doesn't matter how big a bag you've got, an nil,
it's going to take that much time before you're ready.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
It may just be that Arts needed this much time.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
You saw him, like, look Michigan, Michigan not a highly
rated team than playoff teams as usual this year, but
that's not a bad defensive team either, and that athletic profile.
Just him doing that right there, combined with a third
season under Steve Sarkisian. Yeah, I trust you'll get a
complete game from him next year.
Speaker 1 (10:59):
Josh, Hey, it's all over YouTube volume. We use them
as much as we can. Great see anybody, happy New Year.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Appreciate it. Collin, same to you.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
Yeah, I think the portal opens up today. So it's
a buying season. It's Christmas in college football. The portal
has opened up, and I got a rush to my phone. Here,
I gotta go find out what's happening.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
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Speaker 2 (12:04):
J Mack with the news.
Speaker 7 (12:08):
Heard on the news, This is the herdline news.
Speaker 5 (12:12):
Yeah, portals is exciting as NFL free agency, Colin, I'm
fired up. Let's go to the NFL and Lamar Jackson
obviously announced he's practicing.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
He's a go.
Speaker 5 (12:22):
However, he's also combating those rumors. Remember a week ago,
right before Christmas, there was a report out of Baltimore
that he was falling asleep into meetings.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Jack getting longer.
Speaker 2 (12:33):
Yeah, incredible.
Speaker 5 (12:34):
Well, Lamar waited, waited, He waited over a week to reply,
and here he is addressing those rumors.
Speaker 8 (12:43):
I got any question about or I hear things about. Oh,
I don't know if he was like, I never quit
on my team before, you know, so I never quit
any king of y'all. So I don't know what I
noise came from. I heard I was playing a game
that like one to two in the morning. I don't
even do that on summer, So I know where I
come from. But yeah, I don't know, man, I don't know.
(13:03):
I don't know what that come for.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
He said that you own.
Speaker 8 (13:09):
Do you think Harbaugh let you.
Speaker 2 (13:14):
Red in the front?
Speaker 5 (13:15):
Man?
Speaker 8 (13:16):
I don't know, man, it is what it is.
Speaker 2 (13:19):
I mean, it's a legitimate reporter, the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Listen, If Lamar comes out Sunday and it's magical, then
nobody cares about anything. But if he comes out he struggles,
they lose. It's not the end of the world. Ravens
are well run, but it's it's that's what I think.
The game itself will be ugly, but the magnitude of
the loser going forward is fascinating. Like Seattle, San Francisco
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is two excellent teams, Baltimore Pittsburgh is two struggling teams.
One is going to have an ugly off season. So
I think it's a fascinating watch on Sunday night.
Speaker 5 (13:54):
You know, it's I don't want to split hairs here, Colin,
but falling asleep in team meetings, I mean, there's a
big difference between dozing off, which somebody may characterize as
falling asleep, versus straight up falling asleep head down, you're out.
I don't think this guy would make something like that up.
All right, that's a bad look. So it's pretty clear
that something happened in the team meetings. Harball, I don't
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think has addressed them. But to counter that, it's like,
well if, Harbaugh, what if I do I have to
address every single rumor about all my players.
Speaker 2 (14:25):
So there's really no win here.
Speaker 5 (14:27):
But you're right, if the Steelers managed to win this,
that will be an interesting offseason in Pittsburgh and Baltimore.
And we know Pittsburgh obviously, we don't know, like Tomlin,
we don't know about Rogers. Yeah, that division could look
very different. What's gonna happen in Cleveland? What's gonna happen
with Zach Taylor? I mean, hell, could they lose three
or four coaches in that division this offseason? Would anything
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surprise you? No, it's a wacky situation. All right, Let's
move on to the big matchup. Brock Perdy hosting Colin's guy,
Sam Darnold in a nice Seahawks tilt for the ages.
How about Christian McCaffrey Colin being a workhorse this season?
You had that stat on him getting twenty seven carries
or twenty seven touches. Rather, he's had that in back
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to back weeks.
Speaker 2 (15:11):
Now.
Speaker 5 (15:12):
Mike McDonald of Seattle was asked, how do you prepare
for Christian McCaffrey here?
Speaker 2 (15:16):
He is what he said, all the.
Speaker 3 (15:22):
Plays you're just that's that's what That's what you.
Speaker 9 (15:27):
I guess it's a terrible answer, but it's by situation again.
You know, like, who do you have in the field,
who do they have in the field, where's the ball?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
You know, are you trying to attack?
Speaker 9 (15:39):
Are you trying to kind of hedgees that those are
the things you're thinking about. But he's definitely someone you
have to account for at all times. And they do
a great job of moving around. I mean, you can
do everything, so you have to account for everything.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (15:56):
There's just nobody else in the league like McCaffrey. I mean,
it really isn't simp in Carolina days, there's nobody like him.
Speaker 5 (16:03):
Now, Interestingly, some Niners fans have dug into it. So
in that earlier meeting San Fran at Seattle Week one,
the Niners lost Juwan Jennings and Kittle in that game,
remember the game winning catches by Jake Tungus, who nobody
had ever heard of. Yep, So if Kittle's able to play,
we know Jennings is played, all of a sudden, you've
got your full arsenal guys.
Speaker 7 (16:24):
I think that's a big edge for the Niners Colin.
Speaker 5 (16:26):
I know people want to say, well, you know, the
defense can't stop anybody can Seattle stop or slow this
Diners offense. They're a juggernut. Now, the defenses they faced
Colts Bears not elite. Seattle's pretty elite, would you.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
Say, yeah, Seattle's defense, Chicago's like gives up big plays.
The Bears defense is a liability. It's not even a
it's it's a problem. That's what's going to keep the
Bears out of winning multiple playoff games is their defense.
They get they get gash for big plays at bad spots.
Speaker 5 (16:58):
Now, remember just a few weeks ago the Rams had
thirty points through what three quarters against Seattle on the road,
and earlier this season, Baker Mayfield, when he was hot,
went to Seattle and I think they scored thirty five
or thirty eight points. So it can be done. Let's
not act like they're the eighty five Bears here, that's right.
I just can we make a handshake agreement that whoever
wins will not just totally trash the opposing quarterback.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Come on, man, I need you.
Speaker 5 (17:25):
If Donald somehow wins this, I don't want this to
be an indictment of Rock Perdy.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
No, and I'm not gonna hammer Donald. You know, I
like him.
Speaker 7 (17:31):
He was a former Jet.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
No, I think it's a very compared I think it's
a I think it qualifies one of the better pro
football games in America this year.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
Well, there's also so much at stake.
Speaker 5 (17:41):
The number one seed is massive, just enormous in the NFC,
which is a gone.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Well, especially a number one seed.
Speaker 1 (17:47):
If you're San Francisco dude, Trent Kittle, Yeah, Seattle is
not better off with time off. Seattle's young, they want
to play. San Francisco could use a week off. There
is no question. Philadelphia and San Francisco were two of
the only teams in the league could use time off.
Speaker 5 (18:06):
Colin, You go from hosting a game and getting a buye,
hosting every game and getting a buye to on the
road next week, Like that's that's totally different. One of
them might have to go to Philadelphia across the country.
Final story, Colin, let's go to Trayvon Diggs. The Cowboys
dumped him earlier this week, and guess what, the Green
Bay Packers scooped him up.
Speaker 7 (18:26):
I think we might have predicted that here on the show.
Speaker 5 (18:28):
Matt Lafleur, how about this one hasn't ruled out the
possibility of Diggs playing in the regular season finale. Now
we know the Packers' defense is really beat up and
diggs production has not been great this season, but he's
confidence in bouncing back after a change of scenery.
Speaker 10 (18:47):
I'll just be myself, you know, be who I know
I am. Go out there and perform, and everything will
take care of yourself, you know, not chasing accolades or
not chasing anything I'm chasing, you know, being a better meet,
being better every day, you know, helping us to it
feels good, you know. Is I want to be comfortable
with being uncomfortable with being somewhere that you know I've
never been before. Just starting over, starting fresh, you know,
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a clean slave.
Speaker 5 (19:12):
Yeah, Colin, we talked a little bit about teams that
are rested and beat up. I went back and looked,
do you want to guess who had the earliest buy
this season week five with the first week.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Of eyes green Bay? Green Bay?
Speaker 5 (19:26):
Then now also Chicago that week at the earliest buy
in Pittsburgh. So those are teams that have been playing
straight through for three months now. I think that shouldn't
factor into the handicap for anybody who's betting next week
in the wildcard round.
Speaker 2 (19:38):
All right, good note J Mack with a news. Well
that's the news and thanks for stopping.
Speaker 3 (19:45):
By the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Josh paton RG three Blazing five. J Mac has his
picks next.
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Speaker 2 (20:08):
Great to have you in Happy New Year.
Speaker 1 (20:09):
Everybody yesterday was just you know it is college football
has got a lot of fans who were really really
traditional driven, and I mean for about a fifteen year period,
all we got in college football, let's be honest about it,
was Clemson, Ohio State, Georgia, Alabama maybe throwing an LSU.
(20:31):
And now we get Oregon, and we get Ole Miss,
and we get Indiana and we get Miami, and that's
you know, like college basketball sells mythology that all these
different teams have a chance to win it, but it's
always number one, two or three seeds occasionally a four
in college football. I don't think anybody in November first
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thought Miami and Ole Miss we're gonna be here, especially
with Lane Kiffen leaving.
Speaker 2 (21:02):
So the new reality in the.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
Sport is Georgia can't stop a good offense, Bama can't run.
You know a lot of people are saying Kaylen de
Bor's in trouble. Kaylnd Bor is a great coach. He's
a great coach Alabama. Let's be totally honest. Scott worked
beginning to end quarterback o line run game. If you
watched Alabama, watched them a half dozen times, they couldn't
run the football all year. You're not a national championship team.
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I think you have to play real defense to win
a Natty. Ole Miss can't win the Natty. Oregon could.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
But I think.
Speaker 1 (21:34):
Indiana Miami feel in this day and age NFL guys
all over the field really physical first above everything else,
and I think they should be favored.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Didn't Oregon just pitch a shutout?
Speaker 3 (21:45):
Though?
Speaker 7 (21:46):
I mean that that defense shocked me. The kid in
the back end with duepick.
Speaker 5 (21:50):
No.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
I mean, Oregon recruits to the high level, but they don't.
I mean to me, they played with their food that game.
If Indiana played Texas Tech, do you have any doubt
it would have been forty five to nothing.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
I mean it just they were ohringing.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (22:02):
But the Dante Moore angle against Mendoza essentially, I don't
want to say four to the number one pick, but
this is a chance for Dante Moore to be like, Hey,
I'm that guy.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Jmac with the nude. Oh excuse me, my bad. We
go to headlines today Tomorrow's headlines Today lost mice. It's
the new year, you know. I mean, everybody's a little fuzzy.
I had so many chicken and en gelados last night.
So listen, you got your five picks. I've had a
very good season. I need to have a winning record. I
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want to feel good with my last blazing five. This
is your I mean, we you're gonna do more in
the playoffs, but this is a full slate of game
a lot of them with backups. So it's a very
treacherous week to make picks.
Speaker 5 (22:49):
You like to say, you don't like to bet week one.
You don't want to do a blazing five Week one, right,
that's the one you want to punch on.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
This is the one you don't want.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
This is the one I don't like because everybody I
just saw one. Dale Robinson's out for the Giants. I
know people are like, who He's had a great season,
and I love the Giants. Glad they did not put
them in headlines. But yeah, it's very difficult to find
out who who's playing.
Speaker 2 (23:08):
Okay, Panthers box is your first game up?
Speaker 5 (23:11):
Yeah, so they just met a couple of weeks ago,
Panthers with a surprising victory.
Speaker 2 (23:15):
This one's for the division.
Speaker 5 (23:16):
The headline for Panthers Buccaneers will be Airbnb Bryce out
battles Baker for Southern sweep Colin I'm doing it. I'm
taking Carolina on the road to win outright. I just
you know, we joked that Tampa's been leaking oil. No way,
this is like the Titanic taking on water. I mean,
they haven't covered in eight straight weeks. They can't get
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anything right. This Baker injury that he won't talk about,
clearly something's wrong with him.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
What happened to Abuca?
Speaker 5 (23:45):
He was having an unbelievable year. He kind of just
stopped catching passes. They're not looking at him anymore. I
don't know what's going on with Tampa. So I'm taking Carolina.
And of course Carolina had fifty four yards passing last
week against Seattle. However, some fun stats Carolina has he
wins as an underdog most in the Super Bowl era.
Speaker 2 (24:03):
That's incredible.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
And also after a loss of season seven or zero
against the spread, Canalis has his guys bouncing back. Rico
Dwell I saw needs like seven scrimmage yards to trigger
a one million dollar bonus.
Speaker 7 (24:15):
Hello, So I'm gonna go with Carolina.
Speaker 2 (24:17):
On the road.
Speaker 7 (24:17):
Take it down, Tampa.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
I like it.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
Tomorrow's headlines today, Listen, I know the side you're on.
I want to hear the Seahawks at the Niners.
Speaker 4 (24:24):
Oh.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
We go back and forth on this all week, all season.
Really with these two. You love Seattle, I love the
other team. The headline for Niners Seahawks will be halfmcalfe
Seattle jittery after pot of pendy. You know, I'm a
brock pretty guy. Hey man, listen, it's undeniable Colin. He
has been so good since he's back. We saw the
(24:47):
Niners do well with mac Jones, better than treading water. Well,
now they get rock Perdy and they make the jump
to light speed and they have been unbelievable in the
month of December. I just can't go against this team
right now. Now. Obviously, if they don't have Kittle or
Trent Williams, that's not great. It sounds like, you know,
parsing words from Shanahan. He thinks Trent Williams will play.
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Kittle is going to try to give it a go.
Speaker 2 (25:09):
But if they.
Speaker 5 (25:10):
Get that win at home Boy, having the number one seed,
not having to leave Santa Clara, that would be enormous.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
I'm sorry, Colin.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
I saw Sam Donald late last year and he kind
of fell apart, and I saw it in the playoffs,
and then we started to see it a lot this month.
They got lucky against the Rams the punt return. Things
bounce their way. I can't go against San Fray in here,
and I will just say it's Kyle Shanahan seven and
one straight up, six and two against the spread. He's
dominated Seattle of late, not all those against McDonald.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
I do want to go back to that first meeting, though.
Speaker 5 (25:40):
Boso was a monster, had a sack, three tackles for loss,
force fumble. Now he's out. What can Sala do to
find a Bosa? You can't find one of those on
the bench. You're gonna have to do something exotic. Do
you remember what he did against Caleb on the final play?
He rushed to Caleb was like, what's going on? Robert
Sala dropped defensive tackles that the goal line in the coverage.
It was masterful. Can he dial up something like that?
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I'm going with San France as an underdog.
Speaker 1 (26:05):
Tomorrow's headlines today Colts Texans on Sunday.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Who you got?
Speaker 10 (26:11):
Now?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
Listen?
Speaker 5 (26:11):
We talk about riding hot teams. One of these teams
is hot, the other most definitely not. The headline for
Colts Texans in the AFC South will be the Frio
Grande Texans float.
Speaker 2 (26:23):
By Chili Rivers.
Speaker 5 (26:24):
Philip Rivers obviously not starting their turning to Riley Leonard.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Remember how much you loved him in noted. Do you
want to watch him plays? I think he's an interesting prospect.
Speaker 5 (26:34):
Yeah, you want to watch him run for his life
against will Anderson and Hunter coming off the edge.
Speaker 7 (26:39):
The Colts are just a sad story.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
Man.
Speaker 5 (26:41):
They went all in with Sauce Gardner and then it
fell apart. Daniel Jones got hurt and Sauce Gardner got hurt.
Sausage looks like he will play here. I just I'm
gonna ride with the Texans. Some things to watch. I
think Demico Ryans. He's had some hot starts, including last
week against the Chargers, but then they've tailed off.
Speaker 2 (26:58):
You've got to keep that momentum.
Speaker 5 (27:00):
Unbelievable stat Collins, so inside the five yard line, Texans
have been terrible in the red zone. Inside the five,
they have twenty three carries for four yards this season,
three touchdowns. They can't figure it out the offensive line
camp block. They've got to nail that down heading into
the postseason. This feels to me like a twenty seven
to nine type Texans win, win with the defense, and
(27:22):
prevail and head to the postseason.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Tomorrow's headlines Today, you told me to keep my eye
on this one. I did Brown's Bengals in Sincy.
Speaker 5 (27:31):
Yeah, there's only one game I really like, and that's
this one, Bengals hosting the Browns. The headline for Sincey
and Cleveland will be schinre at the thought since he's
skyline too Chili for Browns. Nice worked by the artistic
team there.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
Yeah, I like Burrow here. Listen. If there's a.
Speaker 5 (27:49):
Team trying hard late in the season, especially since Burrow
came back four out of five games, they've topped thirty points.
I don't know if they're trying to save Zach Taylor's
job or what. Seems like he's probably safe due to
the cheap ownership, but they have looked good late in
the season, and I know Cleveland's good at home.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Right, five and one against the spread.
Speaker 5 (28:07):
Is a dog this season at home, you go on
the road, one in five is an underdog. How about
this six and eighteen against the spread on the road.
The last two years, they just don't seem to show up. Obviously,
the Miles Garrett situation will be fun to watch. Maybe
Burrow takes a sack early. I think he gets the
record and we move on. But by the way, Shaduur
likely to be down three offensive linemen Yep and Harold
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Fannin the good rookie tight end Djoku.
Speaker 2 (28:32):
Were going to be out.
Speaker 5 (28:33):
We know the running backs injured after they lost fann
In to injury. They didn't have a drive last week
over forty yards. There just aren't any guys. I think
this is Bengals thirty five to ten.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
Finally, tomorrow's headlines today at Sunday night, Ravens Lamar are.
Speaker 2 (28:50):
Supposed to play against.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
The surviving Steelers.
Speaker 5 (28:56):
I guess somebody's gonna get beat up badly on Monday.
Here by you the headline for Steelers Ravens on Sunday,
and I will be less is Lamar Ravens come up
short with QB back. I'm going with the Steelers here.
It's not a super confident play, but Mike Tomlin against
John Harbaugh is an underdog four fourteen and three against
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the spread. Basically, just take the dog in this series.
I think Pittsburgh is not a good football team, but
I don't think much of Baltimore Colin. I know people
are making the case, hey, get Lamar into the playoffs,
they're going to have a shot. I don't know, man,
I think Pittsburgh wins this outright. I mean it's kind
of a risky call. Pittsburgh did beat them a few
weeks ago, but when they beat them, Lamar was there,
(29:37):
Derrek Henry was there. So I just you know, the
DK Metcalf loss obviously is a big one. But Arthur Smith,
I think can dial up some stuff here. Sixteen thirteen Steelers.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
Yeah, yeah, it's you know, I've been thinking about this
the last couple of days. I was watching college football
and how much the games mattered. You know, there's a
lot of talk they're going to extend the season to
eighteen games, and I'm like, guy that this week is
last two weeks have been like choppy.
Speaker 5 (30:05):
By the way, are you surprised that they made this
the month the Sunday night game as opposed to Seahawks Niners.
I'm just guessing it's because of the markets and the
East Coast.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
You know, larger audis it's the TV audience.
Speaker 7 (30:17):
The better game is Seattle Sanfrand oh.
Speaker 1 (30:19):
I meant Bears Niners last week was maybe the game
of the year. So I expect more of the same
Seattle's defense, Niners offense. I think it's just it's gonna
be big numbers.
Speaker 5 (30:30):
It's gonna be sometimes the league it feels like prioritizes
TV audience overall, just so they can brag about ratings.
But Seattle Sanfrin is an amazing game, and I think
that should be Sunday night. Plus the Niners could use
an extra day of rest.
Speaker 2 (30:43):
You know, one of the things I.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
Thought Indiana would hammer Alabama, but I thought Fernando Mandoza
really put a stamp on the game. You know, I
love mock drafts. I literally read them every day. If
you don't think for I know Mendoza is going number one.
I don't know what to tell you. If you don't
think he's a first round quarterback, I don't have to
tell you. Don't overthink through. I remember when Andrew Luck
came out. I don't think he's as good as Hendrew Luck.
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But when Andrew Luck came out, there were people like,
I don't know about his arm I'm like it was fine.
Mendoes is big, he can move well enough. I think
his arm strength is good. This is a pro style offense,
so he's an easy guy to do comps for.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
It's an easy guy to read.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
So I mean, I'm just really interested to see because
I am shocked at the people who thought Alabama could
win this game. I'm shocked at the pushback on Fernando Mendoz.
I've always trusted my instincts on this quarterback stuff. It's
just the way he sets up the velocity. I mean,
he never like he always it's really hard to intercept
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his ball, Like in the end zone he throws that
he makes sure his guy only can catch it. Here's
RG three earlier on Mendoza.
Speaker 11 (32:00):
I love Fernando Mendoza because Bannana Mendoza knows who he is,
and I've seen some of the memes of like he
sounds like chat GBT when you ask him a question
after a game. It's funny. It really is funny. But
the thing I love about him is he's going to process.
He's gonna do it well. He's gonna do what his
team needs. Him to do. I think he's a first
round pick. I think he's a top ten pick. I
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think coaches are going.
Speaker 3 (32:21):
To love him. He's a big kid. Like you said,
size does.
Speaker 11 (32:25):
Matter, but he can make every throw on the field,
and he's not afraid of the big moments.
Speaker 5 (32:30):
Colin, let me ask you a quick question here. So
let's say Mendoza goes one to the Raiders. Let's say
Pete Carroll is pushed out. If you're the Raiders, don't
you at least have to call Kurt Signetti and just ask, hey, man,
I know Indiana's paying you ten twelve million.
Speaker 7 (32:44):
Dollars, do you have any interest in the NFL?
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Can he?
Speaker 7 (32:47):
I mean, what he's done in two years is one
of the great storms.
Speaker 2 (32:50):
It's college.
Speaker 1 (32:52):
There's I mean, Brian Flores top my list, Mike McCarthy,
I think Jeff Halfley.
Speaker 5 (32:59):
So a lot of people are down with a retread.
And that's not negative against these guys that.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Jeff Athley has coached college, so he gets the college game.
Speaker 2 (33:08):
And what did he do in Boston College?
Speaker 7 (33:10):
I mean, I didn't see anything like Kurt Signetti.
Speaker 1 (33:12):
Yeah, but they don't. They don't care about football like
big ten teams care about football, even at Indiana, Indy,
you don't even want to ask him. Wouldn't be my choice?
Would I would ask him at any college football job,
including Bama.
Speaker 2 (33:28):
I mean, but I think you know.
Speaker 1 (33:31):
Indiana's got a very good business school, Mark Cuban. Obviously,
there's two or three families lined up. This is what
the NIL allows for Texas, Tech and Indiana. Everybody said,
all the rich will get richer with the NIL. Well,
how much richer and dominant could Georgia get? I love Miami, Indiana,
(33:55):
old Miss Oregon.
Speaker 2 (33:56):
I can't wait. I cannot wait. Have a great week y,
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