January 6, 2026 • 64 mins
Fat Joe and Jadakiss are joined by CEO of Klutch Sports Rich Paul. Right out the gate, Jada instigates an argument about LeBron James' future with the Los Angeles Lakers, which then quickly evolves into a heated debate over whether King James or Chicago Bulls legend Michael Jordan is the true greatest NBA player of all time. They also discuss Paul's relationship with superstar musician Adele, his new 'Game Over' podcast with former ESPN analyst Max Kellerman at The Ringer, his signature shoe with New Balance, and the infamous cancelled 2003 Rucker Park basketball game between Jay-Z's Team S. Carter and Joe's Team Terror Squad which would have featured NBA stars like LeBron, Denver Nuggets forward Carmelo Anthony, Philadelphia 76ers guard Allen Iverson, and Los Angeles Lakers center Shaquille O'Neal.
3:30 - New 'Game Over' podcast with Max Kellerman
6:00 - Relationship with Adele
8:00 - Paul explains to Joe why Lakers WON'T trade LeBron
11:30 - LeBron vs. Jordan NBA G.O.A.T. debate
16:30 - Shoe deal with New Balance
21:00 - Paul's role & specialties with Klutch Sports clients
33:00 - Why you should work HARDER once you make it
46:00 - Why Paul stays out of his clients' personal lives
53:00 - Cancelled Jay-Z vs. Terror Squad Rucker game
1:04:00 - Importance of giving back
1:10:00 - Joe's got the Kenny Smith leg
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Listen, by the way, just so you know, I was
there Blackout.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We flew in fifty on your team.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Fifty. We had talked about it. Yo, what up, Yard,
This is your boy, the motherfucking dodge Joe Crack in
(00:31):
the building.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
You know what it is, your boy Jada?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know what it is?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Did Joe and Jada show every show legendary, every show
iconic and we got our foot on these throat right.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Now, right, I mean the next guest.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
When you think of hard working, grinding, coming from the bottom,
you know what I mean, making something out of nothing.
One of the best sports agents in the world really
never loses. He does a lot of wining, you know
what I mean. Great businessman, great INDI visual ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Make some noise for rich Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you coming in our space now, you
the new rookie in the block. You and Max Killerman
coming in that part. Well you said it's an audio
visual spick. Yes, explain what you mean by that when
you coming in that space.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Something I've been working on about eighteen months.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Max and I you know, when he first situation happened
with him, I called him. He thought I was trying
to represent him like, nah, we should do something together.
He called me back, he was like, oh, that's kind
of interesting. So we worked it, worked, it worked it,
and yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Excited about it. It's gonna be dope, though.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, it's like it's gonna be in LA in
New York, La La. But you know, it's well situations
where it's like The Ringers out of five Netflix, hard
to turn that down. It's Max who's a professional, and
then it's me who don't exist in that world.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And we've been working too, Like it's not like a game.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's not like coming in like when I focus on
something like that, like I really put the time in
to rehearse and want to do it.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
The right way. And you can't play with the business
like that. So I could tell by your lineup and
ship my barber flew in.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
The world that ship the fibers Fiber. It ain't got
the Jalen Brown right now, Fibers Joe, we've been knowing
for like a week. I'm shot today. I'm just letting
you know. I'm fucking shocked. But but the third video, Nigga,
I'm on on points.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You're not gonna do right.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You and I still have a little You forgot, No,
I forgot. Let me know, I wanted U, man, I
mean I used to record. I never got nothing. I
never got nothing from what from Family Ties?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I got nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
One of the best songs on the on the whole album,
you Forgot, I forgot.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You me to play No, Okay, what happened on family Time?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I didn't get nothing nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I'm just saying, that's not your style, that's not you,
that's not you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I mean the artist he pulled the he went executive evening.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Don't send me to don't send me to the TS
study things.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I need. You know. Your response always the little guys, right,
because coming from fact, Joe, you're a little guy, right,
and so when hey, when I go, yeah, that was yes, that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Was a flag. I was. You're sharp, though, Joe. I'm
with it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I caught myself right now. It's a little bit better
like I was not caught it. Oh but you know
your girlfriend wife.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
What you're talking about, you're talking about that. Yes. Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So what I'm saying is always little little guys like you, man,
Like I said here, I'm looking at fuck with Jermaine Dupre.
Jermaine Dupre had Janet Jackson. What gives you guys the
courage to walk into a fucking ion Judy queen and
be like, yeah, big, what's up? I want to fuck
(04:44):
with a real one. I'm looking at you this man,
you guys yo, Well it's crazy. Yeah, I'm looking at us,
(05:05):
at Jermaine Dupri. You're about five to two and ship.
Some change, that's yeah, some change. The man went at yo,
want your Maine dupret. The confidence has got to be
at an all time Uh huh, well you do. We
all really do the choosing. You get chosen. Oh, good ship.
So that's that ship. That's I like that. Yeah, sometimes
(05:28):
we get chosen by the room ones. Uh dick, you
do the you got Josh machine.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well you get chose, you have a choice.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I got a friend, he's breaking up right now. His
wife is on that fucking Instagram. She dropping the forty
eight laws of being the fucked up man. His ship
he on date twelve. He's still got he's still got
thirty more days and the ship. I'm like, I go
in the fucking Italian bakery. They're like, hey, you see
(05:58):
what the Italians, the real Italians that we are. Whatever
the like Yo, your friend nah his wife on fire
on INSTAGRAMN like, yo, let me get our sandwich.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Tack.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Critic said something wrong, right, I said.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yo, you know I listen.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I don't want to get you do get chose though,
you know before we go any further, so we never
had to have this discussion again.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Can you please tell him King James can never be
treated unless I saw that, Joe, I wonder where you
going with that?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Do you do you what you said?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
You followed something?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I got that. No, you can just follow nothing you said.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You see all somebody say something and I don't your stuf. King.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
What I said is this league historically has been about rebuilding.
And when they got a bunch of young kids balling
the way they balling, got a bunch of white boys
too at that, balling over there, dropping thirty five forty
points a game, right, going crazy over there. The King
took a little bit off of the Sciatica. I'm wondering
(07:13):
if he's going he might have fucked up, because I
don't think he asked, hiatica, if you really want me
to tell you what I really want to say? No,
I think he said, yo, let me just see these guys.
What they could do on it, and they're just around as.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This is why I have a shell give them. Okay,
come on, because if you want through real, yeah he has.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Are you full of shit too? You made me some
promises that ain't never had.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You're a liar.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
How you told me guys were coming to the nixt
I thing you represented. The motherfuckers went to Afghanistan. Ain't
come on.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
They gave them more money that the Knicks probably had
the money.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I came here bragging so hard. You told me one
time somebody was coming in. I was so gassed. I
was ready to bet. I would have went to funk.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I was probably trolling you, was showing me you definitely joker.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
The motherfucker ain't coming nowhere.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Did like y'all, but listen, you don't play with Sciatica
first of all, so but again now you can't be traded,
has no trade clause show and even if you even
if you wanted to trade, it's just people just say
the craziest thing. I saw all of that though, I
was just like, yes, this is why I'm doing a show,
because you got to get the real that's not really.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's great clickbait, but.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's not like the real the reality of it is
make fifty four million dollars at that age that said
truck slow too.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm on point today. That's why I'm trying to tell
you this. So hello.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So it's what Jada's saying, is right. He can't be
traded unless he wants to be traded. But even with
that being said, it takes two to tangle in the trade.
So we hear all these people, Oh, you gotta take
a back seat, you gotta fit in, you gotta do this.
If you want to break it down, you can take
all four positions and name your top five. He's in
(09:11):
one of the top five and all four positions outside
of the center.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So where is the fitting in at?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, but you say that now, I said, for the
last twenty three years.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
For the last twenty three nars.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Let's say, let's cut the ship. Let's cut the ship.
Get to the bure mj Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Who's to go? Here? We go?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I'm so tired. No, no, just saying the tired here
you salloween.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Fucking get here, Joe, you win?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
No, how suck did you win?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Him?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
He lined you on?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Man, No, I'm here.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You don't have to say this crazy ship and we're
not even gonna say this ship. Who's to go? Rich Boy,
you're here?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Who needs to go? To mistake?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
He don't believe me. I'm outside. Maybe I'm talking to
some other guys. They when when we get to the
Jordan talk, Yo, they used to call fouls.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
He used to play against guys.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
This religious.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
A white guy tossing everybody's ass right now. So what
I'm trying to say is who's to go? That's all
I'm saying. Can I get you on record? Is Lebron James?
Cause you said for the last twenty three years he
could be number one in everything? Are you gonna say
he's better than Michael Jordan?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I'm gonna say I always said that.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I would say rich Play is the best coach in
the universe.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I'm gonna say that for my show. But this is
what I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you your show.
I'm gonna tell you your show. You judge guys by
what the rooms that you're in, right, who come in
the rooms that Joe's in? You don't let anybody in
the rooms that you go in, that super fact.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But Lebron James let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Let me ask this question, Joe, since you already you
ain't painting my publisher, I got nothing whatever, but the
long story.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Listen to this. What room can might go in that
Lebron camp?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Listen I'm saying. And by the way, I don't think
you want to answer that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I want to answer. Yo. That's something jay Man. This
is a different time.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But what I'm saying, you're asking you see until we
get to saying that, I'm not saying that. And I
said that respectfully though that's not that's not a respectfully
Russian question.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Who's had sneak is selling for thirty years?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Listen, man, I.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Keep jumping for.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Some of them.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He's talking to.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You're not answering the question was the baby when Jordan's
came up, you can't get that's space chare man, which
number two is just one?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, but you can't not sneak is.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Kid?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's not fair to even say that you think Lebron
is better than Michael Jordan. Hes talking it on our show.
We're on our show. You think Lebron is better than
Michael Jordan. That's crazy you No, he just said it.
I just I think you you think that Lebron James
(12:27):
is better than Michael Jordyan.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
With room if you so many that he can't go.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
If you're on the Basketball Greatness elevati, you get on
and just key accident.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Lebron is there what he started, He's going to and
my category and my my category opens up. Michael Jordan
goes in. Then it actually goes up one flight before
Lebron's and Kobe walks in. And then it goes up
one flight and Lebron walks it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's how I do it. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You mean, like I'm this, I know that's bread and butter.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
You gotta whatever, Let me do it another way. No,
it's not my bread and butter. I built the real business,
real business.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So the elevator don't stop for you the same way
it stops me in the goat. You said, if you're
getting the goat. You know what I was going to say, elevate.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
What I'm gonna say to you is I'm talking about
to the top floor. There's a key that takes you
all the way to the top floor.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Kobe's go there.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Lebrons go there, Mike, they both they all go to
that Floria.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You now don't get access denied your risk.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Let me tell you something Max Kellerman. I tried to
sign him to the rewind He said, y'all, I don't
really paint my ship like that. I'm saying, I'm sorry,
good luck sounds like a good idea, but I don't
do it. He was the first person I tried to
get on a Rewinded box. He said, he he's a
good sponsor show man. We ain't got nobody sponsored no show.
(14:03):
We just sponsored in this show right now. You know
what I'm saying, We just taking the ass call. You know,
we're building the business.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
You know what means you go with New Balance is
stead of the Nike with all of the fuck you.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I think I do want to sponsor the show, but again,
continue like, let's.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Talk about it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
No, no, no, talk about it. So just put us
in the lower paper tier.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
What's that? What's that?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Tier three? Not a tier three? I'll be picked number three.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Maybe go with newh In twenty nineteen, I did a
man do an internship with kid Darius Basic that kind
of expedity in il setting him going to college.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I sent him to work at New Balance, and he.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Learned an actual business that was directly aligned to where
he was going. He can't play basketball without shoot, But
what I really wanted him to learn was everything that
goes into it, you know, the marketing of it, how
company choose an athlete, the making of it, you know, cutting,
so all the different silhouettes of the shoes and all that.
(15:13):
But I knew that because he wasn't going to college,
that the NBA teams would have to cause somebody to
see how he performed, you know, what his habits was like,
they can call the college coach. So he went to Boston,
lived in Boston, trained before work.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Went to work, and trained afterwork.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And because of that, he still ended up going to
the first round, signed a deal with New Balance, and
then that started our relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And it's a family owned business, so there's not a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Of bureaucracy, so I can get right to the decision makers,
just build a relationship. And then came up with the
idea everyone else could have a shoe, I can CEO have.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
A ship, right, And then they liked that idea.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Firstman did really well, second one did really well, and
now we're on this third one.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Let's see put it up on the on the on
the joint because I ain't really how about I ain't looking.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
How About I do for you what you didn't do
for me, Joe, I'm just gonna give your own pair.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
How about let me give.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll tell you. I tell you
small man. Well, I'm a twelve brother. They know my
size and the shoot game, they know what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So but when you think about it, I was just
thinking about the joint.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Comfortable, very comfortable fire, and the creative came for me.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
That's why this it's all around being unbothered. Mhm.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And so if you were unbothered, it's more so just
like that, I'm focused.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
See the box. Yeah, I'm locked in.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And the Colorway came from just this idea of like
when you're a kid, you go to school, come home,
just want your juice box. Everybody leave me along at
least for ten minutes. When you're adult, you got to work,
come home, just want your glass wine. So that started
the foundation of Colorway then kind of built on that.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's kind of like unbothered by.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
What pretty much every critics opinions they sayers people that
stay talking but never really did anything, you know, all
that type. And so it's actually this is the colorway
going to retail. It is the friends of their family color
with that lighter color were is on the box.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So y'all get both ya Mike a little close weather,
Come on, bro, because you're so spoken. Gentlemen, that's a flat.
Let me test the flat.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Kill the mic closer. You got that ship long distance
over now? Yeah, I thought you was sharp today I'm
super sharp.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, because he and when I fuck up, I win.
That's true. That's the point.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So, and New Balance has just been great, been great
partners every step of the way from Clutch Athletics being
with New Balance signing guys like Maxie and Garland and
Laden and you know John Tay.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Who do you represent? Could you give us a list?
By the way, everybody, if y'all don't know who Rich
Paul is, because I guess you're guilty by association.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Even me.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
All I think about is Lebron. But you represent a
bunch of superstar athletes. Can you just give us somebody?
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I think people don't understand how important it is for
you to be given an opportunity, right, So I gotta
be thankful for Lebron because at the end of the day,
I've got to this place from a perception of people
thought you were extra and today I'm an executive at
the highest level. Right, So that road travel it has
(18:58):
to start somewhere. That starts with the opportunity that I
tell everybody around talent, whether you artists, whether you athletes,
these guys don't owe you anything.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
They really don't.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And you don't have to know everything either, But what
you need to know is what you're actually capable of
doing so you can.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Be a value add in the room.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The problem is, the idea of living like Joe and
Jada is not really a good idea. The idea of
living like me and how I live in terms of
when you next to the athlete and stay in that space,
it's what the focus should be because then they'll allow
you to skip steps. A lot of people get to
(19:45):
the point of skip steps. So I'm thankful for the
opportunity that Lebron gave, but my ultimate respect for the
opportunity gave and for him. What's the position I stand
in now because I'm no longer dependent up him. And
that's the most important important thing you can do. It's
become independent of the person that actually gave you that
opportunity because they didn't have to give it to you.
(20:08):
So that's a blessing. My thought process was to go
and build and build something. And when you asked me
a question earlier, like about the bags, it's not saying
I say how.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Many bags you done caught to the point of where
you was just like got another one.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I never The thing about it is I never focused
on the bag. You got to focus on the disruption
of an industry that's going to bring all the bags,
you know, and bags come in different.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Shapes and sizes. But also it's not so much.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
As currency is more so a positioning because that's the
actual bag.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
The bag ain't the money. The bag is the position.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
When it comes to this audio visual me and you
reposition real right, be on the top tier.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Now. But but but it's true.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
But to ask you a question, we represent over six
hundred clients today. You know, shit, yeah, clap it off
for that, So what TENN is whole type of shit?
So a couple of years ago, we acquired my partners
at UTA a company called roof, which is like one
(21:19):
hundred and seventy europaying football is which is great.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Then we grew to football business.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Obviously the basketball business grew a little bit of baseball.
But then we have a commercial side of business that's
really grown at a rapid pace, and we're doing unbelievable work.
And you know this stuff, you don't do it by yourself.
Got an unbelievable team of people, and I think when
you start at one place and obviously started a company.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I started a company because I.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Felt like players was only being viewed as transactions and
I knew them as people coming from that side, working
at shoe companies, working I played every role, though people don't.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I don't know if people really understand. I played literally
every row.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Break that down on us, man, that's important for the people.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I play every role from stylists to I decided the
jury to watch, how to do put the lay together,
all the way to being in commercials, writing on commercials,
all the way to picking up you know, we did
a commercial walk in my shoes and Calla was actually
(22:25):
calling me on this crazy back then. They wanted to
use this Curtis may feel sample and I was like,
let's do something different from LJ because it was you know,
he's so connected to the culture. Long story short, end
up getting with Mike Will through my man Chubby made
recipes earlier.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Ruby.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I was just happy to be talking to Chubby. Well
there on the phone. He was asking me what I
was working on. I was like, man, I'm trying to
figure this.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Chubby, No, chubby baby, No, Yesterday's price is not today's price.
He threw the battery in my back that day after
the battle. He was talking to so much shit. I
went through the ig on and explaining the fucking verses.
That's how I came up with yesterday's price is not
to chuck the baby through the battery in my back.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
That led me to get on the phone with Mike Will.
It was like, we need a hook for this, because
I'm gonna call this kid called Sam Hook. Sam Hook
wrote the hook, sent it to me.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Listen to it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Who you hear on this and by us being from
Ohio and John Legend being from Ohio, you went and
got John Legend. So like going from the clothes the
jewelry to this, That's what I'm saying. People don't underreally understand.
Like the journey, and.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
By the way, we were still around.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean, I've been around y'all for twenty plus years.
But it's just one of those things where you it's
okay to wait your turn and be observant while waiting
your turn, not being what I would say, eager to
be entitled, because there's an eagerness to entitlement when you're
(24:07):
around talent.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
And it works even worse when you actually blood what you're.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Going to do, fire your brother at the end, my mom,
you know, so it gets a little it gets a
little tricky.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So I'm glad I was not not actual blood.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But but I've always had this this mentality to build
and to want to learn more and not know know
at all sort of speak, and that kind of just
led to other things, not really being complacent as you
have more success.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
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That I've been able to do up to this point though,
to be honest with you, I never popped a bio
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That's the biggest selex ever, never celebrating one. That's the
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Speaker 2 (26:50):
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Speaker 3 (26:54):
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ready to make an album, they were all shit for
two three years and then drop a novel. That's just
the way it was. The Little Wayne and them started dropping,
and DMX started dropping albums every six months two and
one year. That's when people knew, oh shit, we could drop.
But before then it was like hurry up and wait.
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It was like you know, and.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
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Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm trying to tell you can't do that, because when
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Speaker 3 (27:27):
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Back in the days, I get a million dollars, two
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not going out. I'm not going to work. I'm gonna
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Speaker 2 (27:41):
To the ship.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
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Speaker 2 (27:47):
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Speaker 3 (27:50):
Actually, you actually gotta work more, right, So now it's
like the horse. Let that go. The horse taxes investment
that the course. Just be like, Yo, we gotta keep working,
we gotta keep going. I wasn't like that, but nobody was.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But you also didn't have the examples. Got to think.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
We come from a totally different environment. You come from
a flip environment, not a compounding environment. See we only
thought about the flip. They think about the compounding of
it all. It's a totally different mentality.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So break down the difference between flip real quick flipping compounding.
I have ten this's a learning show. I have ten dollars.
I want to make twenty. That's flipping compounding?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Is I have ten dollars I'm putting that ten dollars away,
don't I don't. I'm not touching it for the next
ten years, and that ten dollars becomes, let's just say,
first sake, one hundred grand. So if you go ten
to twenty, twenty to forty forty to eighty eighty one
sixty versus ten work, that's one hundred. Now you compound
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that hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
How do you do when you got an athlete, then
you represent that has six babies in one year, and
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You have a real conversation with them on you.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, I have a justification for having that real conversation
because I lived it, right, I don't you know growing.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Up, that's what you lived it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So that was one of the things that I felt
like the industry was missing.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
These guys.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
They can't you're not unrelatable, You can't relate and you
really don't care. See that's the thing that goes over
the head of most. But when you have all talent
has an ego. We all do right talent, especially high level.
So if you're feeding that ego with sweets while everything
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is going good, you miss out on a lot per se.
But the vegetables and the nourishment don't sound good at
the time where I'm at a high level, it only
sounds great in need. You missed that conversation when it
don't matter. I got twenty cars, I got.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
This that there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I ain't trying to hear that that's talent today, but
you it should be the other way around. A lot
of talent don't value expertise, especially in the sports business,
because everyone thinks they can do your job.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
We work the hardest. It don't matter. I can't write
like Jay I can't write like Joe, I can't perform it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
But in sports, because you grow up so close to
the player, I'm taking into practice of doing this, doing that.
Everyone thinks that they can do the job because the
talent it's shown, and the talent is actually the word.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I have one of the biggest problems in the world
with a good friend of mine. He was a good
friend of mine, but his thing was, you know, he
thought he could manage me. He would tell me, Yo,
can I have meetings with jay z Ken. This is
a street dude that ain't never have a nine to
five in his life. He dead ass was asking me that, Yo,
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let me be jay Z. I got some ideas, Yo,
I should manage you. Anybody that wants to work, and
my crew has a job. Anybody I employed, maybe one
hundred people, maybe even more. Any one of my friends
that I grew up with that once a job, able
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to work, bring something to the table, they have a job.
You see them everywhere in the stores, this and that.
Now if I know, this guy don't want to work,
never had a nine to five in his life, never
did nothing successful but just float around the hood, hustle
to hustle to hustle. He didn't understand, Yo, bro, you're
not qualified to be my manager and run my career.
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You just can't do it. And he had a problem
with it. He kept telling everybody tell her. At the end,
it was like, you know, we have to fall out,
fall out, fall out, cause he had to know, like, yo,
my man, you never had a nana five Like.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
But see, I never really had nine to five either.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
No, I get that. But but we know who's qualified
or who's gonna work, who's gonna put in that work.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
But here's the thing I always tell people.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
With your friend, right, if I would have talked to him,
I would have said, no, you don't need to meet
with jay Z.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Go and find a guy with the qualifications that Joe
would see to meet with jay Z. You still get
in the credit. If I bring the guy to you
with the qualification and the capabilities, you're gonna be like,
oh shit, now I'm building a little equity in that
bank of your trust. From a business perspective, you're my friend.
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I trust you from that perspective. But from a business perspective,
it's different. Now you make.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Only had one friend. I have a trusted blindage right,
rest in peace, my brother Raoul. When I signed my
big deal and no negotiated, they I had a deal, right,
Young big Punk comes out, he's selling like crazy. Every
record label was like fat Joe, we need the next
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Spanish guys. So we sit down and they wouldn't let
me go. I was in one of them negotiations where
they were like, Yo, you can't leave. We're gonna work
this thing. We're gonna this deal. Kaiser did that to me?
You know fine, that's who did that?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Did that?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
No, it wasn't cause it was all Craig coming. But
the crash safe. The point I'm saying is we close
the deal, we jump up and down, y'all while.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
We made it. We kids.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
We came from street street street to get a legit
check like that. We felt like we robbed the planet Earth.
We walk out, y'all part of my management team. I
got a beat in the marrow. One o'clock, see tomorrow,
one o'clock, one o'clock, come to a clock, Come three o'clock,
Come four o'clock, Come five o'clock, comes six a seventh.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Call yourself god, you're huh. We had a meet and
one o'clock I got three bitches here, nigga.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I was in all.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I said, Okay, not for you, It's not for you.
This is one of my most trusted guys. I love
to death in my life. I had to tell them
more frip, like Yo, this ain't for you.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You you ain't on point with the ky that's what kyp.
What's that?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Know your person person, know your personality. Yeah, I mean
I know every rule. I've been doing business for so long.
I know every rule. I ain't got to read the
forty eight laws. I ain't got a KYP. I've been
through every scenario and you could fuck in the dress.
Oh that's this, that's that.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't go.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I've been through all that ship, you know what I'm saying,
And I gave opportunities even when I knew that certain
people ain't need opportunities. I say it is to guess
part is that survivors were more when you try to
bring everybody with you.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I went through that, you know what. I'm sorry, but
that thing is it's hard. I'm blessed because I don't.
I don't really have that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You don't see many friends like that that you grew
up with, Like I.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Have a tother friends as I grew up with, but
we all was together. We just have a it's a
strange dynamic that I have my friends. They was positioned
with me, so we have a different perspective on it, right,
and then there's a pride that comes with it. Obviously
understand that. But I tell them right away I'm not
I'm not obligating to do nothing for you, especially now.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
What's crazy is I've been through so much in my life.
Somebody told me the other day, I'm looking at some shit.
Somebody I know knows the person, and he turned around
and say, y'all, dude, to bump be you in a
bump immediately, like a fucking flower blooming. I said, I
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understood because I met some bums in my life. Bums
don't want to work, want to do the falla shit
to get it to this. This a bum is about,
I know, women, bums. I'm talking about bums. You know
what a bum is? A bum is if you gave
him the most money in the world, they would have
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holes in they wall in the mansion. They'll be sliding
down the stairs. They will fuck your shit up. They
don't give a fuck. They are going to be bums
where any they can hit the lottery, and they're gonna
be bums no matter what the fuck they do. It's
sad that I've been dealing with so many different type
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of people that the minute someone told me somebody I
trust to yo on me he's a bum, I said, Okay,
I got it. I know what this is. I don't
gotta deal with him or none. I'm watching social media.
It was like, nah, that's a bum. He's a bum
when you know him, he's a I'm like, okay, so
he's about to cross somebody about the ship.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
On everything, this, this, this?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
You know these guys are you know I met people
like that that there's nothing you could do to change them.
You give them anything, they could polish you. You could
take an up and coming wrapper, polish them, throw the
gear on them, the jury that this this, this, this,
this a bum is a bum.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
We're not gonna throw the flag what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Now, take an up and coming wrapper and do what
up and coming wrapper. Throw the jury on him thing,
you know, get him an image to everything, and may
that coffee is like it the minute.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I used to hustle.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Not all I do is relax and when and then
I was a fan of the Jackson five.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
But listen, I used to hustle.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
And I was second in command without going in further right,
and I did good. And I used to hear these
guys in my face all the time. I thank you
for not killing me for my slot. That's one thing
I learned later. I said, man, you was something else,
but they ain't kill you in the fucking staircase. It
should have killed me a couple of times because I
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was in the way right. But I would hear them
say all the time, Yo, fuck Joe. You know why
is Joe running the show?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
This? This? This? We all equal.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
We all grew up together as kids like Cinderella, I
leave the drug game alone. But we was making tons
of money be to rap. Did Apollo get a deal?
I'm gone. We had a run.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
You hear me.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Everybody bends out, beam out this and that. They took
over less than three to six months. They was bums
back on the block, bums like they had a gold mine.
All you gotta do is open the shop and you
and you and you caked up. They found the way
to bum it out. And all these years I'm working
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with these guys, I keep hearing the saying, Yo, why
Joe's second?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Why Joe this? This? This?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
They couldn't do nothing with it, you know. So it's
certain people. You know, it's like the horse. You need
him the water and the motherfucker. You know, if they're
not gonna drink, it's over.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Shoot him in the head.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
How do you deal with life? You know, it's a
very hard job, Like how do you deal when you know, uh, yo, bro,
I don't dealt with affluws. I don't dealt with athletes
that you know. You know, your mom's just getting take
advantage of if you see how they are with the
young dude and you caked up, and your mom's like.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I don't do it, Yeah, but you still gotta deal. Like,
what do you do, man?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
What do you do when you tell a god like
do you tell a guy like yo.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Tell your muster get rid of a boyfriend? No?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Do they know he can't?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
That's not my place. I don't. I don't really get
get into that.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
But I thought you was gonna ask me a different
question what I was gonna ask. I thought you're gonna
ask me what do you do when a guy gets
to like the NBA but don't really take advantage of
it or not really you know they're satisfied.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I was not talking about that.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I was talking about what you see one of your
your athletes just getting taken advantage of what it depends.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I don't family stuck, you don't get involved. Nah, it's
not my place, man.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I've seen that shit so much where I was just like,
but you know me, I'm dumb like that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well, yeah, if I.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Got an artist and I really love you and all that,
I'm gonna sit you down and tell you yo, and
I'm discovering a lot of artists. Could I could break
that down to you and I would tell them.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Like, yo, you fucking up. But you just this, that's different.
What's you out of here? Those that's three different things. Okay, okay.
There's a difference.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Between keeping it very authentic and honest with someone you
represent and getting in the middle of something that has
to do with them and their wife or you whatever,
that those are separate.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
He can't do that.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I lost severy time we're telling me, you never try
to tell my friend. Yeah, yeah, you can't. Every time.
Let me tell you, guys, if you want your friend
and you see his wife doing something you don't really like, unfortunately,
you gotta stay out of that area because they gonna
make you and now you're the back. It happened to
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me legendary. At first, I thought it was keeping it real.
I bring the dude to his wife, like, yo, look
what's going on this next thing? I know I'm not
his man. No more like that, he back with his wife.
I give up on that.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I did learn though, the ten days I spent in college,
I learned that one of the ten days I had
to college, I saw my friend.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
He was playing bar in a junior at JUCO. I
got to flip joint. I'm in the student center. I
didn't give them the whole.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
But I'm just like, you might need to check home, man,
just you know the next day I'm back in the
student I get the egg mcmuffet joint.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Every morning. Here they come. Yeah, I'm like, oh, are
you so far man? Yeah? Yeah, ye, I like.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
So I so from there. But also you learn I
learned that from my uncles and aunts.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
You just learned so much. I just don't stay. Yeah,
that stuff you can't.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I'm but I was in trouble because I used to
really leave with my heart. Yeah that I would sit
down and tell somebody y'all, you should watch this and
this and that, and they would take it wrong or
mayby like I'm too strong or whatever. But I'm like,
you know the way I look at it. But you're
dealing with a different Yeah, you're dealing with athletes. They
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know when they're ten years old, they're going to the
league if they stay straight. Were dealing with dysfunction, new
motherfucker rappers, all type of shit. They ain't got no
father their whole life, and I, Joseph Carter Gina give
them the opportunity. It's my choice if I like to
time a fella or not to make him a rapper,
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use all my juice to give him the beats, to
produce this, to ask Jada Kiss to rap on his record,
to this and this and that to now they're millionaires. Right,
you gave him that like that that that was the
opportunity they was looking for, you know. And then so
sometimes you want to give him some advice when you
see him headed straight for a crash, you be like, yo,
(43:35):
you know you're gonna fuck this up. You know, That's
how I deal with it on on another level. But
you know something most people ain't never really understand what
I was trying to tell him till years later where
I had conversations with them. It was like, y'all, wish
I shouldn't listen to you. A lot of people I
wish I would have listened to it.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And you said it.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Earlier, you know, you young right, well, you want to
know what's up with rap today, standing today. But what
I'm trying to tell you is about somebody telling me, yo,
why you don't talk to them young boys? Joe, you
the old g TE in the list, and when they
hit you got a young boy that the survival rate,
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fucker survival rate, the getting on rate and rapping being successful.
It's a lot of guys. Every time I see somebody
die on the news that they say rapper, corpola papete.
We never heard of this person them't they? What makes
of a rapp up? Qualify some Jada. I'm looking at
the news. She's an aspiring rapper. Bitch ain't got a demo,
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So I'm keeping it a buck, right, So I turned around,
let alone a survival rate. I've been telling people this
all the time, and this is why people they get
mad at me sometimes because I gotta tell you the truth.
You think, cause you black or brown, you gotta evil
hoop or you gotta rap, and that's it. It's in
your mind. You're doing one or the other, right. And
(45:05):
so they come and they go, yo, you know, I'm
a rapper, but just somebody coming to you. It's three
people coming to your show. Is anybody downloading your raps?
It's anybody? So you're not really this is not really
a professional a professionist figure, is you gain't one of
the news this same man? Yeah, well you got one
percent if they sit and wrap.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I understand that our business is a lot different.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
What's similar to that is there's times like rankings in
our business.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
So you could be ranked number one, but I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Let's let me let me finish this work because I'm
going to forget. You know, I get the old Simon's
and all that. Listen what I'm saying. How can I
talk to a young kid that I know is the exception.
He's beyond the one percent, he's less than the one
percent and he became successful. How can I sit and
tell that nineteen year old kid that made twenty million
dollars and got his whole crew around him and all that, Yo,
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this ain't there. You gotta get focused this. He don't
want to hear that ship from me. No, he's straight
up like, you can't. I don't know the answer that
you can't tell him anything. Today you got and you
got a lot of dumb athletes too. It's a lot
of dumb athletes switched now. I'm telling you the truth.
These motherfucker's is dumb. I used to coach at the
Wucker Bro God God listen.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
By the way, just so you know, I was there Blackout.
We flew in to drop fifty on your team.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Fifty. We had alan.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
I talked about it.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
We talked about Alan Iverson, We had Melo Anthony, We
had Stephano, Maull Burry, we had everybody, so they all
would have been dropping fifty were kicking. If you asked
your kill O'Neil, you win. If you just got Lebron
straight out of high school, you're not winning that game.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
We had the biggest in the game there too. We
had Carmelo right after the championship. We had Stephan Marlbury,
highest paid player in the league at that time. We
had Alan Arbson, We have Mike Bibby. How more you want?
You want Zach Randolph, you want your Maine O'Neil, you want, like,
who the fuck? We didn't have Listen? Oh no, brother, brother,
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you didn't have listen. That was young Braun. That was
a prince. He wasn't the king yet. So that black
By the way, I flicked school with that blackout hit Joe.
There was nobody on the planet matter than I was.
I wouldn't even think about the blackout. I wanted to
be in that that atmosphere game that never happened.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
I was also in the radio station.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Talk about it. People forget that.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
That was It was great, great. I loved every bit
of it. I loved every bit of it.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Oh, what's that story you told was in the in
the air going to Paris? By the way, No, he wasn't.
He was there for the blackout.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
He was in the rest.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Left that pulled up, All right, listen, Cooling Dre pulled
up and they saw jay Z in the back. He
was out there. It was the blackout. He left when
they were scheduled two days later. That's when I believe
you guys were in here the day of the game
to make up game. I did not see no players
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coming out of the over. They left the next day.
All of that hype, it was old.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
We left the next day. Hype of the first game
with the black guy was never gonna be left.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
The chance they were acting like they were here. They
went to the radio, they were no, we was here
the next game. They scheduling. When I come was okay.
By the way, I walk in with my players. They've
seen them out there. There's pictures of all my players
out there. These guys never came. We was back. We
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was back. They were gone. Everybody was back in camp
and all that everybody I was there off, nobody came.
What do you want me to do you got Shaquille O'Neil,
you win, you don't. It was a game. I'm talking
about Ai, I'm talking about Mike Bibby when he's an
All Star at that time, I'm talking about Stephan Moireberry,
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Sebastian Telfair.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
We already know he wasn't gonna he ain't had nothing
for Steph on Yo, you crazy man. This was a
good game. It was gonna be a good game.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Thank god it didn't that because I wouldn't be sitting
in Rock Nation getting money with these people. That thing
was a disaster waiting to happen. That was one step
Kaboom Junior Mafia clears the room. That shit was. That
was a terrible thing. After that radio that shit happed me.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Man.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
It went from Fat Joe to the basketball to fat
Joe Army fatigue.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Like it was like, oh no, the got talking crazy.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
You know one time people you know now comments and
all that one time people were very selective with how
they talked.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
About Fat Joe out there.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Very it was a different time. Can we do toast
for the Sneaker and Rich Paul just lessing us the
new show what's it called?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Game Over? Game Over? You know what that means.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
I like Max, one of the best game over.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
I'll give you one more thing, can Coon two thousand
and four. Talk to your ship, it's Paul. Tell him
who was there? Just paint the picture.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Listen what S and S did for lean back. You
never seen how many times the man played that ship
out there one hundred times in a row. Being meth
was out there one hundred times in a row. Everybody
who mad it was out there, and that can Coon.
It was a party of Memorial weekend.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
In both from city to daddy Os City.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
There's only two clubs, so we're going across the street.
But S and S, by the way, was best.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
It was.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
He's one of the greatest here. You know we still
employ yes, and that's we still give them shows all
the time. Anybody kept the lawyer with us. Anybody who
didn't take the bag at that blackout time, they still
my brothers and we still take care of them now nobody. Yeah,
they had a lot of bags out there. They tried
to hire. They took my man John Strict. That's my
(51:26):
play about Strict. Was Strict. They took Straty flipped the
Strict was that dude?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
They lived them.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
They tried to flip Kareem Kareem. They left them a
bag and read Kareem Reid. Yeah, and he was my
main if we know, no, no Kareem read, I have
no championship.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Speaking of the trolling, where's my well?
Speaker 1 (51:46):
I can't even I don't even want him now. But
twenty years ago, I got you rich On, Joe. I
need those joints we had them on. I got you
rich never never.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
You gotta remind me no sneakers, no he hos graze,
then don't send me the plastic ts joint? Did you
get to the the kids? Let me tell you something.
Thank you for the sneakers. Thank you for the sneakers
you gave us in the new show Game over.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
We know it's gonna be highly successful. You know what
I'm saying. We know it's gonna be holly Yo. You
a funny dude. You know I'm with you in the
champions all right, let's take the sip.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Dude. Let me tell you about rich Sport.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
We in the champion we in the Knicks is in
the championship game one of your players lost who they
was playing for Boston or something like that. Last year
for the year before sixes. That was so the he
go Maxiere. So I'm on the court, which Baul comes on, Yo, crack,
what's up this this dad?
Speaker 2 (52:47):
He said, Yo, my player, I said, them guys got
packed up. They gotta go. Like next morning, I fly
to la.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I got a meeting at the Polo Lounge and I'm
up in there. I'm talking about nine in the morning.
I'm eating at the Polo Laws and I look to
the right, Rich Fauls in the next stable age, Joe,
how you like, Yo?
Speaker 2 (53:08):
He hit your rich Paul that day you learn fat jokes.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
He's everywhere. That guy crossed the country.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
He knew that. I knew that already. Ah Man.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
I looked to the side. I said, God, damn, this
guy out here nine in the morning. Like what we
was on the same flight as some shit that shit
crazy run from acting you from Cleveland from Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah. How important is it to give back? Two ways?
Speaker 1 (53:32):
To give back in ways that's helpful, in ways that's impactful,
passing out turkeys and things like that, that's helpful. The
impactfulness is being able to create things that provide opportunities.
You also give back through education too. I think when
people say give back. It's like, oh, you didn't get
me nothing to go in my pome.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, education is incredible. Well did out there with that
school is amazing.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
So for me, my give back is I get back
in a number of ways. And I don't I don't
want nothing. I do a lot of things that I
don't want to know pub from it. Sometimes I do
things and people don't even know I've done things. People
don't even know it. But it's very important though, because
I was one of those kids that the community raids,
(54:18):
and I was one of those kids that.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Y'all came to the strip club, the strip clo.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Like y'all Yeahmunity strip Club.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, I had a show. I was there. It was
on Cleveland States. I forgot where it was.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
But anyway, I'll tell you one thing, right, I tell
you my father from Cuba rest in peace. No, my
father never gave me a compliment in my life. Okay,
he never said great song, even though he was Cuban,
thank you for buying me my home twenty years ago. Whatever,
it's nothing they bills for thirty years. The only time
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he ever gave me a compliment was when he see
me in the middle of the street giving out turkeys
and feeding the people. He said, that makes me proud,
proud of you, son, for looking out for the people.
And so there's many ways. You you're correct, there's many ways.
There's ways inspired. You know, we got stores, our stores, stores,
(55:20):
huh that with your dad. Yeah, we got two stores
where single parent moms are the managers. One of them
just bought a first home. Ever, there's so many different
ways of giving back and impacting the community. You just
gotta do it. And the problem I got is the
people that don't give back, complaining about somebody giving back.
(55:46):
So it's never enough, it's never how you do it.
So you got he got, we got a best friend,
grumpy Jim Jones. Right, but now Jim Jones gives back. Okay,
Jim Jones don't give back, because right there I see
him give back all the time in the community, whether
it's clothes, whether it's coats, whether it's turkeys, whether it's this,
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He's front line with the giving back. I don't know
what happened, but I could tell that lady skipped the
line three times. I'm out there. I'm outside like I'm there,
I'm on the line.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
I see the six family members, I know them more.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
They all waiting for the turkey with the grocery, the
six the daughter, the son that this. At some point
you could say, yo, you know young, you know some
people you got one of you took six turkeys and
the voucher for the food. I know, I just choose
to mind my business.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Jim out there, he got a little man and lady
skipped three times. I make him look like, yeah, it's
all over social media, but and make him look like
he a bad guy because he los his patience. But
anybody who from the hood hood know they trying to
skip the line, you know. And so I look at
the comments and everybody we posts, they talk bad about somebody,
(57:03):
But you ain't giving that.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
You ain't changed some people that's got the mill on
say go in fact, it being unbothered, Joe.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
You can't worry about what somebody talking about own social
media showing no hoodie show them. That's what you know.
I can't worry about that. Yeah I do that, and
I want to smoke whatever, but you can't.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
I want every I know we're putting our foot in
your ass even when we don't.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, but here's what I tell you legendary ship right now.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
Let me tell you better study this podcast because we
are changing the whole DNA. This is entertainment. This is
like coming home to watch Martin a fucking Cosme show.
It's just just it ain't done. No, sure, we ain't
look one time. So mister Paul, when you graduated high school?
This that ship dinosaur.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
By the way, I told my team they gave me
this thing in the car.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
It's like, oh, you know, here's the talking points.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Was like, these guys aren't following that.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I can guarantee you that I doing that.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
We're shooting this ship from there.
Speaker 4 (58:09):
I told you about life about this.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
But you know my team is they alto prepared, which
I'm thankful for.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
But I thought about it. I'm like Joe and Jason
is not smiling.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
They don't look like our guys.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Them. What is just look like? Our guys look like
they know what the bubonic chronic this this?
Speaker 4 (58:33):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (58:34):
Let me tell you them with that joke.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Your guys they all got listen. Our staff is great.
Let me tell you something. We have a great staff.
Ain't none of them got the lines like him? You
see them ship like he rose with that ship Mike
he got this ship. Two women here with me.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, yeah, on the point.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
Listen, let me tell you something. Your risk for war
uses both god, man, let me tell you but this
is not dinosaur, not lately, because I'm in the game.
Every now and then I lurk and I look at
a little sumthing and I said, damn everything we know.
I'm just keeping it a buck. I want everybody to
get a dollar. But dang't us we entertaining? We get
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we dropped close closest you think, like closest to us.
Speaker 2 (59:27):
Don't get No, he's about to tell you something crazy.
Speaker 3 (59:30):
Don't look. You know they're not us. You want to
know why, because we're Chuck and Shock. We got the
chips Kenny. He got the Kenny leg.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
I got the Kenny leg.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
Yeah, I got the Kenny spirit. I'm more like Kenny.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, we chucky there.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
You know what you're here. You're training here, Yo, you
might have showed me how to straighten the leg out. Man,
I can't take this man's new It's there a way off,
hold on, hold on, it's there way. Your man trades
nothing else.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Don't care. He can't give him anything, giant balltender.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
It's there a way for me to straighten out my
leg like legally or is it like an operation calisthenic. Oh,
you don't know about fucking boy he knows the human body.
He don't know about away from me all fucked up
for a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
He can't fix your leg.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
He can fix your jesty shoulders, you know, but donna
give me the list off your leg is strike right.
There's a way to do it right, Joe my Son
seventy six ship of operation for my leg. He got
them fucked up out there they think of my leg.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Here lords in London.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Up and y see we got these These are snow ships.
This is like having a heater all this is. He's
a snow Those are fire on my sea.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
For there, that's the timely way you get the right shoot.
They I gotta go stores up tail the Bronx haul
in Washington Knights.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
They gave him a twelve and ten and a half Timbo.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
He came up and he was like, yeah, you know,
cells dropped after that, yo, yo, yo, yo, kiss your
word is gold in the hood. Our cells dropped after that.
Little ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I went back.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
They took care of me they had. They had a
Krispy box for me, and they gave me the right.
Make sure you shot up.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Man, your word is golden. Let me ask you she's
hit him with that?
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Let me ask your bounty when you hit hit bound,
kiss his dressing, his age, and to me, he's flying,
you know. Now, A lot of they call us tween
ages and ship like that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
They call you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
They talking about if you got a quarter zipper or something.
You are old man on day a quarter zippers. I
just capped the four quarter zip for sure. Quarter ships. No, no,
the quarter four thousand dollars lord reading it now? The
(01:02:10):
quarter quarters trying to fucking disrespect Air Force one. They say,
his granddad's shoes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, I ain't. That can't be.
Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Are you with new balance?
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
You you like a don Jesus, you're like a don king.
Don king come in the ring with a Mexican and
Puerto Rican fly whoever won.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
That's the ship he walking on the way when you
put her.
Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Motherfucker like that. He came with the wedding, he left
with them with him. That's the cody. Le's the cody.
Now that's gonna be like the coda. No, No, that's
not gonna happen just when you put these on. Oh,
I know it's your risk for you, bucker.
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Wat should you yo Joe? When you when you when
you put the.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Layout put them joints up there? Oh no, we want
to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
By the way, use I had to get a whole
new got coming everything.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I brought a class.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Don't do that. I brought a classic out.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Now that you do that, wait for him.
Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
No, believe my business.
Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
No, no, no, I'm not business. Fay give me a
day tune of Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I got a gift for you, by the way, I
got a gift coming for you by you get a
Daytona in the the mins for Chris.
Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I never said nothing about no day timing. I don't
know what niggas from you. It might be a fucking
Lettuce rap because he's sold vegetarian is rap. That ship
might be nobody. I got a gift for you, though,
that's that's no bullshit. I got a nice, thoughtful gift
for you that you're gonna truly enjoy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Brother, what's a watch? Who wants the next to what?
But your risk?
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Ball? This ain't that, that, ain't this crack ain't just
gotta get the noise for Rick
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
The Thirsty
Listen, by the way, just so you know, I was
there Blackout.
Speaker 2 (00:05):
We flew in fifty on your team.
Speaker 3 (00:11):
Fifty. We had talked about it. Yo, what up, Yard,
This is your boy, the motherfucking dodge Joe Crack in
(00:31):
the building.
Speaker 4 (00:32):
You know what it is, your boy Jada?
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You know what it is?
Speaker 4 (00:35):
Did Joe and Jada show every show legendary, every show
iconic and we got our foot on these throat right.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Now, right, I mean the next guest.
Speaker 4 (00:46):
When you think of hard working, grinding, coming from the bottom,
you know what I mean, making something out of nothing.
One of the best sports agents in the world really
never loses. He does a lot of wining, you know
what I mean. Great businessman, great INDI visual ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
Make some noise for rich Paul.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you coming in our space now, you
the new rookie in the block. You and Max Killerman
coming in that part. Well you said it's an audio
visual spick. Yes, explain what you mean by that when
you coming in that space.
Speaker 2 (01:32):
Something I've been working on about eighteen months.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Max and I you know, when he first situation happened
with him, I called him. He thought I was trying
to represent him like, nah, we should do something together.
He called me back, he was like, oh, that's kind
of interesting. So we worked it, worked, it worked it,
and yeah, we're.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
Excited about it. It's gonna be dope, though.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
You know, it's like it's gonna be in LA in
New York, La La. But you know, it's well situations
where it's like The Ringers out of five Netflix, hard
to turn that down. It's Max who's a professional, and
then it's me who don't exist in that world.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
And we've been working too, Like it's not like a game.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's not like coming in like when I focus on
something like that, like I really put the time in
to rehearse and want to do it.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
The right way. And you can't play with the business
like that. So I could tell by your lineup and
ship my barber flew in.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
The world that ship the fibers Fiber. It ain't got
the Jalen Brown right now, Fibers Joe, we've been knowing
for like a week. I'm shot today. I'm just letting
you know. I'm fucking shocked. But but the third video, Nigga,
I'm on on points.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
You're not gonna do right.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
You and I still have a little You forgot, No,
I forgot. Let me know, I wanted U, man, I
mean I used to record. I never got nothing. I
never got nothing from what from Family Ties?
Speaker 3 (03:05):
I got nothing.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
One of the best songs on the on the whole album,
you Forgot, I forgot.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
You me to play No, Okay, what happened on family Time?
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:15):
I didn't get nothing nothing.
Speaker 2 (03:19):
I'm just saying, that's not your style, that's not you,
that's not you.
Speaker 4 (03:24):
I mean the artist he pulled the he went executive evening.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Don't send me to don't send me to the TS
study things.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I need. You know. Your response always the little guys, right,
because coming from fact, Joe, you're a little guy, right,
and so when hey, when I go, yeah, that was yes, that.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
Was a flag. I was. You're sharp, though, Joe. I'm
with it.
Speaker 3 (04:08):
I caught myself right now. It's a little bit better
like I was not caught it. Oh but you know
your girlfriend wife.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
What you're talking about, you're talking about that. Yes. Oh.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
So what I'm saying is always little little guys like you, man,
Like I said here, I'm looking at fuck with Jermaine Dupre.
Jermaine Dupre had Janet Jackson. What gives you guys the
courage to walk into a fucking ion Judy queen and
be like, yeah, big, what's up? I want to fuck
(04:44):
with a real one. I'm looking at you this man,
you guys yo, Well it's crazy. Yeah, I'm looking at us,
(05:05):
at Jermaine Dupri. You're about five to two and ship.
Some change, that's yeah, some change. The man went at yo,
want your Maine dupret. The confidence has got to be
at an all time Uh huh, well you do. We
all really do the choosing. You get chosen. Oh, good ship.
So that's that ship. That's I like that. Yeah, sometimes
(05:28):
we get chosen by the room ones. Uh dick, you
do the you got Josh machine.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Well you get chose, you have a choice.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
I got a friend, he's breaking up right now. His
wife is on that fucking Instagram. She dropping the forty
eight laws of being the fucked up man. His ship
he on date twelve. He's still got he's still got
thirty more days and the ship. I'm like, I go
in the fucking Italian bakery. They're like, hey, you see
(05:58):
what the Italians, the real Italians that we are. Whatever
the like Yo, your friend nah his wife on fire
on INSTAGRAMN like, yo, let me get our sandwich.
Speaker 2 (06:12):
Tack.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Critic said something wrong, right, I said.
Speaker 2 (06:14):
Yo, you know I listen.
Speaker 4 (06:16):
I don't want to get you do get chose though,
you know before we go any further, so we never
had to have this discussion again.
Speaker 5 (06:26):
Can you please tell him King James can never be
treated unless I saw that, Joe, I wonder where you
going with that?
Speaker 3 (06:38):
Do you do you what you said?
Speaker 2 (06:40):
You followed something?
Speaker 3 (06:41):
I got that. No, you can just follow nothing you said.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
You see all somebody say something and I don't your stuf. King.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
What I said is this league historically has been about rebuilding.
And when they got a bunch of young kids balling
the way they balling, got a bunch of white boys
too at that, balling over there, dropping thirty five forty
points a game, right, going crazy over there. The King
took a little bit off of the Sciatica. I'm wondering
(07:13):
if he's going he might have fucked up, because I
don't think he asked, hiatica, if you really want me
to tell you what I really want to say? No,
I think he said, yo, let me just see these guys.
What they could do on it, and they're just around as.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
This is why I have a shell give them. Okay,
come on, because if you want through real, yeah he has.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
Are you full of shit too? You made me some
promises that ain't never had.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
You're a liar.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
How you told me guys were coming to the nixt
I thing you represented. The motherfuckers went to Afghanistan. Ain't
come on.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
They gave them more money that the Knicks probably had
the money.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
I came here bragging so hard. You told me one
time somebody was coming in. I was so gassed. I
was ready to bet. I would have went to funk.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I was probably trolling you, was showing me you definitely joker.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
The motherfucker ain't coming nowhere.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Did like y'all, but listen, you don't play with Sciatica
first of all, so but again now you can't be traded,
has no trade clause show and even if you even
if you wanted to trade, it's just people just say
the craziest thing. I saw all of that though, I
was just like, yes, this is why I'm doing a show,
because you got to get the real that's not really.
Speaker 2 (08:29):
It's great clickbait, but.
Speaker 1 (08:31):
It's not like the real the reality of it is
make fifty four million dollars at that age that said
truck slow too.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I'm on point today. That's why I'm trying to tell
you this. So hello.
Speaker 1 (08:49):
So it's what Jada's saying, is right. He can't be
traded unless he wants to be traded. But even with
that being said, it takes two to tangle in the trade.
So we hear all these people, Oh, you gotta take
a back seat, you gotta fit in, you gotta do this.
If you want to break it down, you can take
all four positions and name your top five. He's in
(09:11):
one of the top five and all four positions outside
of the center.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So where is the fitting in at?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, but you say that now, I said, for the
last twenty three years.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
For the last twenty three nars.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
Let's say, let's cut the ship. Let's cut the ship.
Get to the bure mj Lebron James.
Speaker 2 (09:31):
Who's to go? Here? We go?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I'm so tired. No, no, just saying the tired here
you salloween.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
Fucking get here, Joe, you win?
Speaker 3 (09:44):
No, how suck did you win?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Him?
Speaker 3 (09:46):
He lined you on?
Speaker 2 (09:47):
Man, No, I'm here.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
You don't have to say this crazy ship and we're
not even gonna say this ship. Who's to go? Rich Boy,
you're here?
Speaker 2 (09:55):
Who needs to go? To mistake?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
He don't believe me. I'm outside. Maybe I'm talking to
some other guys. They when when we get to the
Jordan talk, Yo, they used to call fouls.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
Yo.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
He used to play against guys.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
This religious.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
A white guy tossing everybody's ass right now. So what
I'm trying to say is who's to go? That's all
I'm saying. Can I get you on record? Is Lebron James?
Cause you said for the last twenty three years he
could be number one in everything? Are you gonna say
he's better than Michael Jordan?
Speaker 2 (10:34):
I'm gonna say I always said that.
Speaker 3 (10:36):
I would say rich Play is the best coach in
the universe.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
I'm gonna say that for my show. But this is
what I'm gonna tell you. I'm gonna tell you your show.
I'm gonna tell you your show. You judge guys by
what the rooms that you're in, right, who come in
the rooms that Joe's in? You don't let anybody in
the rooms that you go in, that super fact.
Speaker 2 (10:57):
But Lebron James let me ask you this question.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
Let me ask this question, Joe, since you already you
ain't painting my publisher, I got nothing whatever, but the
long story.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Listen to this. What room can might go in that
Lebron camp?
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Listen I'm saying. And by the way, I don't think
you want to answer that.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
I want to answer. Yo. That's something jay Man. This
is a different time.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But what I'm saying, you're asking you see until we
get to saying that, I'm not saying that. And I
said that respectfully though that's not that's not a respectfully
Russian question.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Who's had sneak is selling for thirty years?
Speaker 2 (11:36):
Listen, man, I.
Speaker 3 (11:38):
Keep jumping for.
Speaker 5 (11:44):
Some of them.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
He's talking to.
Speaker 3 (11:47):
You're not answering the question was the baby when Jordan's
came up, you can't get that's space chare man, which
number two is just one?
Speaker 2 (11:57):
Yeah, but you can't not sneak is.
Speaker 3 (11:59):
Yeah, what are you talking about?
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Kid?
Speaker 3 (12:01):
It's not fair to even say that you think Lebron
is better than Michael Jordan. Hes talking it on our show.
We're on our show. You think Lebron is better than
Michael Jordan. That's crazy you No, he just said it.
I just I think you you think that Lebron James
(12:27):
is better than Michael Jordyan.
Speaker 4 (12:29):
With room if you so many that he can't go.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
If you're on the Basketball Greatness elevati, you get on
and just key accident.
Speaker 3 (12:39):
Lebron is there what he started, He's going to and
my category and my my category opens up. Michael Jordan
goes in. Then it actually goes up one flight before
Lebron's and Kobe walks in. And then it goes up
one flight and Lebron walks it.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
That's how I do it. There's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
You mean, like I'm this, I know that's bread and butter.
Speaker 1 (13:09):
You gotta whatever, Let me do it another way. No,
it's not my bread and butter. I built the real business,
real business.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
No no, no, no, no no no no no no.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
So the elevator don't stop for you the same way
it stops me in the goat. You said, if you're
getting the goat. You know what I was going to say, elevate.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
What I'm gonna say to you is I'm talking about
to the top floor. There's a key that takes you
all the way to the top floor.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Kobe's go there.
Speaker 1 (13:35):
Lebrons go there, Mike, they both they all go to
that Floria.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
You now don't get access denied your risk.
Speaker 3 (13:42):
Let me tell you something Max Kellerman. I tried to
sign him to the rewind He said, y'all, I don't
really paint my ship like that. I'm saying, I'm sorry,
good luck sounds like a good idea, but I don't
do it. He was the first person I tried to
get on a Rewinded box. He said, he he's a
good sponsor show man. We ain't got nobody sponsored no show.
(14:03):
We just sponsored in this show right now. You know
what I'm saying, We just taking the ass call. You know,
we're building the business.
Speaker 4 (14:10):
You know what means you go with New Balance is
stead of the Nike with all of the fuck you.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
I think I do want to sponsor the show, but again,
continue like, let's.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Talk about it.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
No, no, no, talk about it. So just put us
in the lower paper tier.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
What's that? What's that?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Tier three? Not a tier three? I'll be picked number three.
Speaker 1 (14:37):
Maybe go with newh In twenty nineteen, I did a
man do an internship with kid Darius Basic that kind
of expedity in il setting him going to college.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
I sent him to work at New Balance, and he.
Speaker 1 (14:53):
Learned an actual business that was directly aligned to where
he was going. He can't play basketball without shoot, But
what I really wanted him to learn was everything that
goes into it, you know, the marketing of it, how
company choose an athlete, the making of it, you know, cutting,
so all the different silhouettes of the shoes and all that.
(15:13):
But I knew that because he wasn't going to college,
that the NBA teams would have to cause somebody to
see how he performed, you know, what his habits was like,
they can call the college coach. So he went to Boston,
lived in Boston, trained before work.
Speaker 2 (15:33):
Went to work, and trained afterwork.
Speaker 1 (15:35):
And because of that, he still ended up going to
the first round, signed a deal with New Balance, and
then that started our relationship.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
And it's a family owned business, so there's not a lot.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
Of bureaucracy, so I can get right to the decision makers,
just build a relationship. And then came up with the
idea everyone else could have a shoe, I can CEO have.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
A ship, right, And then they liked that idea.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
Firstman did really well, second one did really well, and
now we're on this third one.
Speaker 3 (16:04):
Let's see put it up on the on the on
the joint because I ain't really how about I ain't looking.
Speaker 1 (16:08):
How About I do for you what you didn't do
for me, Joe, I'm just gonna give your own pair.
Speaker 2 (16:12):
How about let me give.
Speaker 3 (16:13):
You Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll tell you. I tell you
small man. Well, I'm a twelve brother. They know my
size and the shoot game, they know what it is.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
So but when you think about it, I was just
thinking about the joint.
Speaker 3 (16:35):
I love that.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
Comfortable, very comfortable fire, and the creative came for me.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
That's why this it's all around being unbothered. Mhm.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
And so if you were unbothered, it's more so just
like that, I'm focused.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
See the box. Yeah, I'm locked in.
Speaker 1 (16:53):
And the Colorway came from just this idea of like
when you're a kid, you go to school, come home,
just want your juice box. Everybody leave me along at
least for ten minutes. When you're adult, you got to work,
come home, just want your glass wine. So that started
the foundation of Colorway then kind of built on that.
Speaker 2 (17:12):
That's kind of like unbothered by.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
What pretty much every critics opinions they sayers people that
stay talking but never really did anything, you know, all
that type. And so it's actually this is the colorway
going to retail. It is the friends of their family color
with that lighter color were is on the box.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
So y'all get both ya Mike a little close weather,
Come on, bro, because you're so spoken. Gentlemen, that's a flat.
Let me test the flat.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Kill the mic closer. You got that ship long distance
over now? Yeah, I thought you was sharp today I'm
super sharp.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, because he and when I fuck up, I win.
That's true. That's the point.
Speaker 3 (18:03):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:05):
So, and New Balance has just been great, been great
partners every step of the way from Clutch Athletics being
with New Balance signing guys like Maxie and Garland and
Laden and you know John Tay.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Who do you represent? Could you give us a list?
By the way, everybody, if y'all don't know who Rich
Paul is, because I guess you're guilty by association.
Speaker 2 (18:26):
Even me.
Speaker 3 (18:27):
All I think about is Lebron. But you represent a
bunch of superstar athletes. Can you just give us somebody?
But here's the thing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
I think people don't understand how important it is for
you to be given an opportunity, right, So I gotta
be thankful for Lebron because at the end of the day,
I've got to this place from a perception of people
thought you were extra and today I'm an executive at
the highest level. Right, So that road travel it has
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to start somewhere. That starts with the opportunity that I
tell everybody around talent, whether you artists, whether you athletes,
these guys don't owe you anything.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
They really don't.
Speaker 1 (19:12):
And you don't have to know everything either, But what
you need to know is what you're actually capable of
doing so you can.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Be a value add in the room.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
The problem is, the idea of living like Joe and
Jada is not really a good idea. The idea of
living like me and how I live in terms of
when you next to the athlete and stay in that space,
it's what the focus should be because then they'll allow
you to skip steps. A lot of people get to
(19:45):
the point of skip steps. So I'm thankful for the
opportunity that Lebron gave, but my ultimate respect for the
opportunity gave and for him. What's the position I stand
in now because I'm no longer dependent up him. And
that's the most important important thing you can do. It's
become independent of the person that actually gave you that
opportunity because they didn't have to give it to you.
(20:08):
So that's a blessing. My thought process was to go
and build and build something. And when you asked me
a question earlier, like about the bags, it's not saying
I say how.
Speaker 3 (20:19):
Many bags you done caught to the point of where
you was just like got another one.
Speaker 1 (20:25):
I never The thing about it is I never focused
on the bag. You got to focus on the disruption
of an industry that's going to bring all the bags,
you know, and bags come in different.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
Shapes and sizes. But also it's not so much.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
As currency is more so a positioning because that's the
actual bag.
Speaker 2 (20:43):
The bag ain't the money. The bag is the position.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
When it comes to this audio visual me and you
reposition real right, be on the top tier.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Now. But but but it's true.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
But to ask you a question, we represent over six
hundred clients today. You know, shit, yeah, clap it off
for that, So what TENN is whole type of shit?
So a couple of years ago, we acquired my partners
at UTA a company called roof, which is like one
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hundred and seventy europaying football is which is great.
Speaker 2 (21:23):
Then we grew to football business.
Speaker 1 (21:24):
Obviously the basketball business grew a little bit of baseball.
But then we have a commercial side of business that's
really grown at a rapid pace, and we're doing unbelievable work.
And you know this stuff, you don't do it by yourself.
Got an unbelievable team of people, and I think when
you start at one place and obviously started a company.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
I started a company because I.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
Felt like players was only being viewed as transactions and
I knew them as people coming from that side, working
at shoe companies, working I played every role, though people don't.
Speaker 2 (21:58):
I don't know if people really understand. I played literally
every row.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Break that down on us, man, that's important for the people.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I play every role from stylists to I decided the
jury to watch, how to do put the lay together,
all the way to being in commercials, writing on commercials,
all the way to picking up you know, we did
a commercial walk in my shoes and Calla was actually
(22:25):
calling me on this crazy back then. They wanted to
use this Curtis may feel sample and I was like,
let's do something different from LJ because it was you know,
he's so connected to the culture. Long story short, end
up getting with Mike Will through my man Chubby made
recipes earlier.
Speaker 2 (22:46):
Ruby.
Speaker 1 (22:48):
I was just happy to be talking to Chubby. Well
there on the phone. He was asking me what I
was working on. I was like, man, I'm trying to
figure this.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
Chubby, No, chubby baby, No, Yesterday's price is not today's price.
He threw the battery in my back that day after
the battle. He was talking to so much shit. I
went through the ig on and explaining the fucking verses.
That's how I came up with yesterday's price is not
to chuck the baby through the battery in my back.
Speaker 2 (23:12):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:13):
That led me to get on the phone with Mike Will.
It was like, we need a hook for this, because
I'm gonna call this kid called Sam Hook. Sam Hook
wrote the hook, sent it to me.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Listen to it.
Speaker 1 (23:25):
Who you hear on this and by us being from
Ohio and John Legend being from Ohio, you went and
got John Legend. So like going from the clothes the
jewelry to this, That's what I'm saying. People don't underreally understand.
Like the journey, and.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
By the way, we were still around.
Speaker 1 (23:45):
I mean, I've been around y'all for twenty plus years.
But it's just one of those things where you it's
okay to wait your turn and be observant while waiting
your turn, not being what I would say, eager to
be entitled, because there's an eagerness to entitlement when you're
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around talent.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
And it works even worse when you actually blood what you're.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Going to do, fire your brother at the end, my mom,
you know, so it gets a little it gets a
little tricky.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
So I'm glad I was not not actual blood.
Speaker 1 (24:24):
But but I've always had this this mentality to build
and to want to learn more and not know know
at all sort of speak, and that kind of just
led to other things, not really being complacent as you
have more success.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I've never really celebrated anything.
Speaker 1 (24:41):
That I've been able to do up to this point though,
to be honest with you, I never popped a bio
or champagne or had to drink.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
That's the biggest selex ever, never celebrating one. That's the
only way to be celeb.
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Speaker 3 (26:44):
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Speaker 2 (26:50):
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Speaker 3 (26:54):
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two three years and then drop a novel. That's just
the way it was. The Little Wayne and them started dropping,
and DMX started dropping albums every six months two and
one year. That's when people knew, oh shit, we could drop.
But before then it was like hurry up and wait.
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It was like you know, and.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
So you're sitting in your successes when you do that.
Speaker 1 (27:22):
I'm trying to tell you can't do that, because when
you do that, it becomes settlement.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
What I'm saying to you is same thing with bags.
Back in the days, I get a million dollars, two
million dollars. I live in Miami. I'm like, yo, I'm
not going out. I'm not going to work. I'm gonna
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Speaker 2 (27:41):
To the ship.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
Look like it's running out. Then I go out there
and get the bag again. Big mistake, mistake.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That bag has to be the opposite way.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
Actually, you actually gotta work more, right, So now it's
like the horse. Let that go. The horse taxes investment
that the course. Just be like, Yo, we gotta keep working,
we gotta keep going. I wasn't like that, but nobody was.
Speaker 2 (28:06):
But you also didn't have the examples. Got to think.
Speaker 1 (28:10):
We come from a totally different environment. You come from
a flip environment, not a compounding environment. See we only
thought about the flip. They think about the compounding of
it all. It's a totally different mentality.
Speaker 3 (28:23):
So break down the difference between flip real quick flipping compounding.
I have ten this's a learning show. I have ten dollars.
I want to make twenty. That's flipping compounding?
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Is I have ten dollars I'm putting that ten dollars away,
don't I don't. I'm not touching it for the next
ten years, and that ten dollars becomes, let's just say,
first sake, one hundred grand. So if you go ten
to twenty, twenty to forty forty to eighty eighty one
sixty versus ten work, that's one hundred. Now you compound
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that hundred.
Speaker 3 (28:57):
How do you do when you got an athlete, then
you represent that has six babies in one year, and
what do you do?
Speaker 2 (29:05):
You have a real conversation with them on you.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah, I have a justification for having that real conversation
because I lived it, right, I don't you know growing.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
Up, that's what you lived it.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So that was one of the things that I felt
like the industry was missing.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
These guys.
Speaker 1 (29:23):
They can't you're not unrelatable, You can't relate and you
really don't care. See that's the thing that goes over
the head of most. But when you have all talent
has an ego. We all do right talent, especially high level.
So if you're feeding that ego with sweets while everything
(29:47):
is going good, you miss out on a lot per se.
But the vegetables and the nourishment don't sound good at
the time where I'm at a high level, it only
sounds great in need. You missed that conversation when it
don't matter. I got twenty cars, I got.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
This that there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I ain't trying to hear that that's talent today, but
you it should be the other way around. A lot
of talent don't value expertise, especially in the sports business,
because everyone thinks they can do your job.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
We work the hardest. It don't matter. I can't write
like Jay I can't write like Joe, I can't perform it.
Speaker 1 (30:28):
But in sports, because you grow up so close to
the player, I'm taking into practice of doing this, doing that.
Everyone thinks that they can do the job because the
talent it's shown, and the talent is actually the word.
Speaker 3 (30:44):
I have one of the biggest problems in the world
with a good friend of mine. He was a good
friend of mine, but his thing was, you know, he
thought he could manage me. He would tell me, Yo,
can I have meetings with jay z Ken. This is
a street dude that ain't never have a nine to
five in his life. He dead ass was asking me that, Yo,
(31:06):
let me be jay Z. I got some ideas, Yo,
I should manage you. Anybody that wants to work, and
my crew has a job. Anybody I employed, maybe one
hundred people, maybe even more. Any one of my friends
that I grew up with that once a job, able
(31:26):
to work, bring something to the table, they have a job.
You see them everywhere in the stores, this and that.
Now if I know, this guy don't want to work,
never had a nine to five in his life, never
did nothing successful but just float around the hood, hustle
to hustle to hustle. He didn't understand, Yo, bro, you're
not qualified to be my manager and run my career.
(31:48):
You just can't do it. And he had a problem
with it. He kept telling everybody tell her. At the end,
it was like, you know, we have to fall out,
fall out, fall out, cause he had to know, like, yo,
my man, you never had a nana five Like.
Speaker 2 (32:01):
But see, I never really had nine to five either.
Speaker 3 (32:04):
No, I get that. But but we know who's qualified
or who's gonna work, who's gonna put in that work.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
But here's the thing I always tell people.
Speaker 1 (32:12):
With your friend, right, if I would have talked to him,
I would have said, no, you don't need to meet
with jay Z.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Go and find a guy with the qualifications that Joe
would see to meet with jay Z. You still get
in the credit. If I bring the guy to you
with the qualification and the capabilities, you're gonna be like,
oh shit, now I'm building a little equity in that
bank of your trust. From a business perspective, you're my friend.
(32:38):
I trust you from that perspective. But from a business perspective,
it's different. Now you make.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
Only had one friend. I have a trusted blindage right,
rest in peace, my brother Raoul. When I signed my
big deal and no negotiated, they I had a deal, right,
Young big Punk comes out, he's selling like crazy. Every
record label was like fat Joe, we need the next
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Spanish guys. So we sit down and they wouldn't let
me go. I was in one of them negotiations where
they were like, Yo, you can't leave. We're gonna work
this thing. We're gonna this deal. Kaiser did that to me?
You know fine, that's who did that?
Speaker 2 (33:22):
Did that?
Speaker 3 (33:22):
No, it wasn't cause it was all Craig coming. But
the crash safe. The point I'm saying is we close
the deal, we jump up and down, y'all while.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
We made it. We kids.
Speaker 3 (33:35):
We came from street street street to get a legit
check like that. We felt like we robbed the planet Earth.
We walk out, y'all part of my management team. I
got a beat in the marrow. One o'clock, see tomorrow,
one o'clock, one o'clock, come to a clock, Come three o'clock,
Come four o'clock, Come five o'clock, comes six a seventh.
Speaker 2 (33:59):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
Call yourself god, you're huh. We had a meet and
one o'clock I got three bitches here, nigga.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
I was in all.
Speaker 3 (34:08):
I said, Okay, not for you, It's not for you.
This is one of my most trusted guys. I love
to death in my life. I had to tell them
more frip, like Yo, this ain't for you.
Speaker 2 (34:20):
You you ain't on point with the ky that's what kyp.
What's that?
Speaker 3 (34:26):
Know your person person, know your personality. Yeah, I mean
I know every rule. I've been doing business for so long.
I know every rule. I ain't got to read the
forty eight laws. I ain't got a KYP. I've been
through every scenario and you could fuck in the dress.
Oh that's this, that's that.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I don't go.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I've been through all that ship, you know what I'm saying,
And I gave opportunities even when I knew that certain
people ain't need opportunities. I say it is to guess
part is that survivors were more when you try to
bring everybody with you.
Speaker 1 (35:01):
I went through that, you know what. I'm sorry, but
that thing is it's hard. I'm blessed because I don't.
I don't really have that.
Speaker 2 (35:10):
You don't see many friends like that that you grew
up with, Like I.
Speaker 1 (35:13):
Have a tother friends as I grew up with, but
we all was together. We just have a it's a
strange dynamic that I have my friends. They was positioned
with me, so we have a different perspective on it, right,
and then there's a pride that comes with it. Obviously
understand that. But I tell them right away I'm not
I'm not obligating to do nothing for you, especially now.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
You wouldn't know.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
What's crazy is I've been through so much in my life.
Somebody told me the other day, I'm looking at some shit.
Somebody I know knows the person, and he turned around
and say, y'all, dude, to bump be you in a
bump immediately, like a fucking flower blooming. I said, I
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understood because I met some bums in my life. Bums
don't want to work, want to do the falla shit
to get it to this. This a bum is about,
I know, women, bums. I'm talking about bums. You know
what a bum is? A bum is if you gave
him the most money in the world, they would have
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holes in they wall in the mansion. They'll be sliding
down the stairs. They will fuck your shit up. They
don't give a fuck. They are going to be bums
where any they can hit the lottery, and they're gonna
be bums no matter what the fuck they do. It's
sad that I've been dealing with so many different type
(36:44):
of people that the minute someone told me somebody I
trust to yo on me he's a bum, I said, Okay,
I got it. I know what this is. I don't
gotta deal with him or none. I'm watching social media.
It was like, nah, that's a bum. He's a bum
when you know him, he's a I'm like, okay, so
he's about to cross somebody about the ship.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
On everything, this, this, this?
Speaker 3 (37:07):
You know these guys are you know I met people
like that that there's nothing you could do to change them.
You give them anything, they could polish you. You could
take an up and coming wrapper, polish them, throw the
gear on them, the jury that this this, this, this,
this a bum is a bum.
Speaker 2 (37:25):
We're not gonna throw the flag what I'm doing.
Speaker 3 (37:28):
Now, take an up and coming wrapper and do what
up and coming wrapper. Throw the jury on him thing,
you know, get him an image to everything, and may
that coffee is like it the minute.
Speaker 2 (37:41):
I used to hustle.
Speaker 3 (37:43):
Not all I do is relax and when and then
I was a fan of the Jackson five.
Speaker 2 (37:47):
But listen, I used to hustle.
Speaker 3 (37:51):
And I was second in command without going in further right,
and I did good. And I used to hear these
guys in my face all the time. I thank you
for not killing me for my slot. That's one thing
I learned later. I said, man, you was something else,
but they ain't kill you in the fucking staircase. It
should have killed me a couple of times because I
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was in the way right. But I would hear them
say all the time, Yo, fuck Joe. You know why
is Joe running the show?
Speaker 2 (38:21):
This? This? This? We all equal.
Speaker 3 (38:22):
We all grew up together as kids like Cinderella, I
leave the drug game alone. But we was making tons
of money be to rap. Did Apollo get a deal?
I'm gone. We had a run.
Speaker 2 (38:35):
You hear me.
Speaker 3 (38:36):
Everybody bends out, beam out this and that. They took
over less than three to six months. They was bums
back on the block, bums like they had a gold mine.
All you gotta do is open the shop and you
and you and you caked up. They found the way
to bum it out. And all these years I'm working
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with these guys, I keep hearing the saying, Yo, why
Joe's second?
Speaker 2 (39:01):
Why Joe this? This? This?
Speaker 3 (39:03):
They couldn't do nothing with it, you know. So it's
certain people. You know, it's like the horse. You need
him the water and the motherfucker. You know, if they're
not gonna drink, it's over.
Speaker 2 (39:14):
Shoot him in the head.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
How do you deal with life? You know, it's a
very hard job, Like how do you deal when you know, uh, yo, bro,
I don't dealt with affluws. I don't dealt with athletes
that you know. You know, your mom's just getting take
advantage of if you see how they are with the
young dude and you caked up, and your mom's like.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
I don't do it, Yeah, but you still gotta deal. Like,
what do you do, man?
Speaker 3 (39:45):
What do you do when you tell a god like
do you tell a guy like yo.
Speaker 2 (39:49):
Tell your muster get rid of a boyfriend? No?
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Do they know he can't?
Speaker 2 (39:54):
That's not my place. I don't. I don't really get
get into that.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
But I thought you was gonna ask me a different
question what I was gonna ask. I thought you're gonna
ask me what do you do when a guy gets
to like the NBA but don't really take advantage of
it or not really you know they're satisfied.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
I was not talking about that.
Speaker 3 (40:12):
I was talking about what you see one of your
your athletes just getting taken advantage of what it depends.
Speaker 2 (40:18):
I don't family stuck, you don't get involved. Nah, it's
not my place, man.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
I've seen that shit so much where I was just like,
but you know me, I'm dumb like that.
Speaker 2 (40:27):
Well, yeah, if I.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
Got an artist and I really love you and all that,
I'm gonna sit you down and tell you yo, and
I'm discovering a lot of artists. Could I could break
that down to you and I would tell them.
Speaker 2 (40:39):
Like, yo, you fucking up. But you just this, that's different.
What's you out of here? Those that's three different things. Okay, okay.
There's a difference.
Speaker 1 (40:48):
Between keeping it very authentic and honest with someone you
represent and getting in the middle of something that has
to do with them and their wife or you whatever,
that those are separate.
Speaker 2 (41:04):
He can't do that.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
I lost severy time we're telling me, you never try
to tell my friend. Yeah, yeah, you can't. Every time.
Let me tell you, guys, if you want your friend
and you see his wife doing something you don't really like, unfortunately,
you gotta stay out of that area because they gonna
make you and now you're the back. It happened to
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me legendary. At first, I thought it was keeping it real.
I bring the dude to his wife, like, yo, look
what's going on this next thing? I know I'm not
his man. No more like that, he back with his wife.
I give up on that.
Speaker 1 (41:44):
I did learn though, the ten days I spent in college,
I learned that one of the ten days I had
to college, I saw my friend.
Speaker 2 (41:52):
He was playing bar in a junior at JUCO. I
got to flip joint. I'm in the student center. I
didn't give them the whole.
Speaker 1 (42:04):
But I'm just like, you might need to check home, man,
just you know the next day I'm back in the
student I get the egg mcmuffet joint.
Speaker 2 (42:12):
Every morning. Here they come. Yeah, I'm like, oh, are
you so far man? Yeah? Yeah, ye, I like.
Speaker 1 (42:19):
So I so from there. But also you learn I
learned that from my uncles and aunts.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
You just learned so much. I just don't stay. Yeah,
that stuff you can't.
Speaker 3 (42:28):
I'm but I was in trouble because I used to
really leave with my heart. Yeah that I would sit
down and tell somebody y'all, you should watch this and
this and that, and they would take it wrong or
mayby like I'm too strong or whatever. But I'm like,
you know the way I look at it. But you're
dealing with a different Yeah, you're dealing with athletes. They
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know when they're ten years old, they're going to the
league if they stay straight. Were dealing with dysfunction, new
motherfucker rappers, all type of shit. They ain't got no
father their whole life, and I, Joseph Carter Gina give
them the opportunity. It's my choice if I like to
time a fella or not to make him a rapper,
(43:11):
use all my juice to give him the beats, to
produce this, to ask Jada Kiss to rap on his record,
to this and this and that to now they're millionaires. Right,
you gave him that like that that that was the
opportunity they was looking for, you know. And then so
sometimes you want to give him some advice when you
see him headed straight for a crash, you be like, yo,
(43:35):
you know you're gonna fuck this up. You know, That's
how I deal with it on on another level. But
you know something most people ain't never really understand what
I was trying to tell him till years later where
I had conversations with them. It was like, y'all, wish
I shouldn't listen to you. A lot of people I
wish I would have listened to it.
Speaker 2 (43:53):
And you said it.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Earlier, you know, you young right, well, you want to
know what's up with rap today, standing today. But what
I'm trying to tell you is about somebody telling me, yo,
why you don't talk to them young boys? Joe, you
the old g TE in the list, and when they
hit you got a young boy that the survival rate,
(44:17):
fucker survival rate, the getting on rate and rapping being successful.
It's a lot of guys. Every time I see somebody
die on the news that they say rapper, corpola papete.
We never heard of this person them't they? What makes
of a rapp up? Qualify some Jada. I'm looking at
the news. She's an aspiring rapper. Bitch ain't got a demo,
(44:42):
So I'm keeping it a buck, right, So I turned around,
let alone a survival rate. I've been telling people this
all the time, and this is why people they get
mad at me sometimes because I gotta tell you the truth.
You think, cause you black or brown, you gotta evil
hoop or you gotta rap, and that's it. It's in
your mind. You're doing one or the other, right. And
(45:05):
so they come and they go, yo, you know, I'm
a rapper, but just somebody coming to you. It's three
people coming to your show. Is anybody downloading your raps?
It's anybody? So you're not really this is not really
a professional a professionist figure, is you gain't one of
the news this same man? Yeah, well you got one
percent if they sit and wrap.
Speaker 2 (45:27):
I understand that our business is a lot different.
Speaker 1 (45:30):
What's similar to that is there's times like rankings in
our business.
Speaker 2 (45:35):
So you could be ranked number one, but I wasn't.
Speaker 3 (45:37):
Let's let me let me finish this work because I'm
going to forget. You know, I get the old Simon's
and all that. Listen what I'm saying. How can I
talk to a young kid that I know is the exception.
He's beyond the one percent, he's less than the one
percent and he became successful. How can I sit and
tell that nineteen year old kid that made twenty million
dollars and got his whole crew around him and all that, Yo,
(46:00):
this ain't there. You gotta get focused this. He don't
want to hear that ship from me. No, he's straight
up like, you can't. I don't know the answer that
you can't tell him anything. Today you got and you
got a lot of dumb athletes too. It's a lot
of dumb athletes switched now. I'm telling you the truth.
These motherfucker's is dumb. I used to coach at the
Wucker Bro God God listen.
Speaker 1 (46:25):
By the way, just so you know, I was there Blackout.
We flew in to drop fifty on your team.
Speaker 3 (46:35):
Fifty. We had alan.
Speaker 2 (46:37):
I talked about it.
Speaker 3 (46:38):
We talked about Alan Iverson, We had Melo Anthony, We
had Stephano, Maull Burry, we had everybody, so they all
would have been dropping fifty were kicking. If you asked
your kill O'Neil, you win. If you just got Lebron
straight out of high school, you're not winning that game.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Bro.
Speaker 3 (46:57):
We had the biggest in the game there too. We
had Carmelo right after the championship. We had Stephan Marlbury,
highest paid player in the league at that time. We
had Alan Arbson, We have Mike Bibby. How more you want?
You want Zach Randolph, you want your Maine O'Neil, you want, like,
who the fuck? We didn't have Listen? Oh no, brother, brother,
(47:17):
you didn't have listen. That was young Braun. That was
a prince. He wasn't the king yet. So that black
By the way, I flicked school with that blackout hit Joe.
There was nobody on the planet matter than I was.
I wouldn't even think about the blackout. I wanted to
be in that that atmosphere game that never happened.
Speaker 2 (47:39):
I was also in the radio station.
Speaker 3 (47:42):
Talk about it. People forget that.
Speaker 1 (47:45):
That was It was great, great. I loved every bit
of it. I loved every bit of it.
Speaker 3 (47:50):
Oh, what's that story you told was in the in
the air going to Paris? By the way, No, he wasn't.
He was there for the blackout.
Speaker 2 (47:57):
He was in the rest.
Speaker 3 (48:00):
Left that pulled up, All right, listen, Cooling Dre pulled
up and they saw jay Z in the back. He
was out there. It was the blackout. He left when
they were scheduled two days later. That's when I believe
you guys were in here the day of the game
to make up game. I did not see no players
(48:20):
coming out of the over. They left the next day.
All of that hype, it was old.
Speaker 2 (48:24):
We left the next day. Hype of the first game
with the black guy was never gonna be left.
Speaker 3 (48:28):
The chance they were acting like they were here. They
went to the radio, they were no, we was here
the next game. They scheduling. When I come was okay.
By the way, I walk in with my players. They've
seen them out there. There's pictures of all my players
out there. These guys never came. We was back. We
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was back. They were gone. Everybody was back in camp
and all that everybody I was there off, nobody came.
What do you want me to do you got Shaquille O'Neil,
you win, you don't. It was a game. I'm talking
about Ai, I'm talking about Mike Bibby when he's an
All Star at that time, I'm talking about Stephan Moireberry,
(49:10):
Sebastian Telfair.
Speaker 2 (49:11):
We already know he wasn't gonna he ain't had nothing
for Steph on Yo, you crazy man. This was a
good game. It was gonna be a good game.
Speaker 3 (49:19):
Thank god it didn't that because I wouldn't be sitting
in Rock Nation getting money with these people. That thing
was a disaster waiting to happen. That was one step
Kaboom Junior Mafia clears the room. That shit was. That
was a terrible thing. After that radio that shit happed me.
Speaker 4 (49:36):
Man.
Speaker 3 (49:37):
It went from Fat Joe to the basketball to fat
Joe Army fatigue.
Speaker 2 (49:41):
Like it was like, oh no, the got talking crazy.
Speaker 3 (49:44):
You know one time people you know now comments and
all that one time people were very selective with how
they talked.
Speaker 2 (49:51):
About Fat Joe out there.
Speaker 3 (49:54):
Very it was a different time. Can we do toast
for the Sneaker and Rich Paul just lessing us the
new show what's it called?
Speaker 2 (50:13):
Game Over? Game Over? You know what that means.
Speaker 3 (50:16):
I like Max, one of the best game over.
Speaker 2 (50:21):
I'll give you one more thing, can Coon two thousand
and four. Talk to your ship, it's Paul. Tell him
who was there? Just paint the picture.
Speaker 1 (50:32):
Listen what S and S did for lean back. You
never seen how many times the man played that ship
out there one hundred times in a row. Being meth
was out there one hundred times in a row. Everybody
who mad it was out there, and that can Coon.
It was a party of Memorial weekend.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
In both from city to daddy Os City.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
There's only two clubs, so we're going across the street.
But S and S, by the way, was best.
Speaker 2 (51:03):
It was.
Speaker 3 (51:04):
He's one of the greatest here. You know we still
employ yes, and that's we still give them shows all
the time. Anybody kept the lawyer with us. Anybody who
didn't take the bag at that blackout time, they still
my brothers and we still take care of them now nobody. Yeah,
they had a lot of bags out there. They tried
to hire. They took my man John Strict. That's my
(51:26):
play about Strict. Was Strict. They took Straty flipped the
Strict was that dude?
Speaker 2 (51:32):
They lived them.
Speaker 3 (51:33):
They tried to flip Kareem Kareem. They left them a
bag and read Kareem Reid. Yeah, and he was my
main if we know, no, no Kareem read, I have
no championship.
Speaker 2 (51:44):
Speaking of the trolling, where's my well?
Speaker 1 (51:46):
I can't even I don't even want him now. But
twenty years ago, I got you rich On, Joe. I
need those joints we had them on. I got you
rich never never.
Speaker 2 (51:56):
You gotta remind me no sneakers, no he hos graze,
then don't send me the plastic ts joint? Did you
get to the the kids? Let me tell you something.
Thank you for the sneakers. Thank you for the sneakers
you gave us in the new show Game over.
Speaker 3 (52:14):
We know it's gonna be highly successful. You know what
I'm saying. We know it's gonna be holly Yo. You
a funny dude. You know I'm with you in the
champions all right, let's take the sip.
Speaker 2 (52:24):
Dude. Let me tell you about rich Sport.
Speaker 3 (52:26):
We in the champion we in the Knicks is in
the championship game one of your players lost who they
was playing for Boston or something like that. Last year
for the year before sixes. That was so the he
go Maxiere. So I'm on the court, which Baul comes on, Yo, crack,
what's up this this dad?
Speaker 2 (52:47):
He said, Yo, my player, I said, them guys got
packed up. They gotta go. Like next morning, I fly
to la.
Speaker 3 (52:53):
I got a meeting at the Polo Lounge and I'm
up in there. I'm talking about nine in the morning.
I'm eating at the Polo Laws and I look to
the right, Rich Fauls in the next stable age, Joe,
how you like, Yo?
Speaker 2 (53:08):
He hit your rich Paul that day you learn fat jokes.
Speaker 3 (53:12):
He's everywhere. That guy crossed the country.
Speaker 2 (53:16):
He knew that. I knew that already. Ah Man.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
I looked to the side. I said, God, damn, this
guy out here nine in the morning. Like what we
was on the same flight as some shit that shit
crazy run from acting you from Cleveland from Cleveland?
Speaker 2 (53:29):
Yeah. How important is it to give back? Two ways?
Speaker 1 (53:32):
To give back in ways that's helpful, in ways that's impactful,
passing out turkeys and things like that, that's helpful. The
impactfulness is being able to create things that provide opportunities.
You also give back through education too. I think when
people say give back. It's like, oh, you didn't get
me nothing to go in my pome.
Speaker 3 (53:53):
Yeah, education is incredible. Well did out there with that
school is amazing.
Speaker 1 (53:58):
So for me, my give back is I get back
in a number of ways. And I don't I don't
want nothing. I do a lot of things that I
don't want to know pub from it. Sometimes I do
things and people don't even know I've done things. People
don't even know it. But it's very important though, because
I was one of those kids that the community raids,
(54:18):
and I was one of those kids that.
Speaker 2 (54:22):
Y'all came to the strip club, the strip clo.
Speaker 3 (54:28):
Like y'all Yeahmunity strip Club.
Speaker 2 (54:33):
Yeah, I had a show. I was there. It was
on Cleveland States. I forgot where it was.
Speaker 3 (54:37):
But anyway, I'll tell you one thing, right, I tell
you my father from Cuba rest in peace. No, my
father never gave me a compliment in my life. Okay,
he never said great song, even though he was Cuban,
thank you for buying me my home twenty years ago. Whatever,
it's nothing they bills for thirty years. The only time
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he ever gave me a compliment was when he see
me in the middle of the street giving out turkeys
and feeding the people. He said, that makes me proud,
proud of you, son, for looking out for the people.
And so there's many ways. You you're correct, there's many ways.
There's ways inspired. You know, we got stores, our stores, stores,
(55:20):
huh that with your dad. Yeah, we got two stores
where single parent moms are the managers. One of them
just bought a first home. Ever, there's so many different
ways of giving back and impacting the community. You just
gotta do it. And the problem I got is the
people that don't give back, complaining about somebody giving back.
(55:46):
So it's never enough, it's never how you do it.
So you got he got, we got a best friend,
grumpy Jim Jones. Right, but now Jim Jones gives back. Okay,
Jim Jones don't give back, because right there I see
him give back all the time in the community, whether
it's clothes, whether it's coats, whether it's turkeys, whether it's this,
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He's front line with the giving back. I don't know
what happened, but I could tell that lady skipped the
line three times. I'm out there. I'm outside like I'm there,
I'm on the line.
Speaker 2 (56:22):
I see the six family members, I know them more.
Speaker 3 (56:24):
They all waiting for the turkey with the grocery, the
six the daughter, the son that this. At some point
you could say, yo, you know young, you know some
people you got one of you took six turkeys and
the voucher for the food. I know, I just choose
to mind my business.
Speaker 2 (56:41):
You know.
Speaker 3 (56:42):
Jim out there, he got a little man and lady
skipped three times. I make him look like, yeah, it's
all over social media, but and make him look like
he a bad guy because he los his patience. But
anybody who from the hood hood know they trying to
skip the line, you know. And so I look at
the comments and everybody we posts, they talk bad about somebody,
(57:03):
But you ain't giving that.
Speaker 1 (57:06):
You ain't changed some people that's got the mill on
say go in fact, it being unbothered, Joe.
Speaker 2 (57:11):
You can't worry about what somebody talking about own social
media showing no hoodie show them. That's what you know.
I can't worry about that. Yeah I do that, and
I want to smoke whatever, but you can't.
Speaker 3 (57:24):
I want every I know we're putting our foot in
your ass even when we don't.
Speaker 2 (57:29):
Yeah, but here's what I tell you legendary ship right now.
Speaker 3 (57:32):
Let me tell you better study this podcast because we
are changing the whole DNA. This is entertainment. This is
like coming home to watch Martin a fucking Cosme show.
It's just just it ain't done. No, sure, we ain't
look one time. So mister Paul, when you graduated high school?
This that ship dinosaur.
Speaker 1 (57:52):
By the way, I told my team they gave me
this thing in the car.
Speaker 2 (57:57):
It's like, oh, you know, here's the talking points.
Speaker 1 (58:00):
Was like, these guys aren't following that.
Speaker 2 (58:03):
I can guarantee you that I doing that.
Speaker 3 (58:05):
We're shooting this ship from there.
Speaker 4 (58:09):
I told you about life about this.
Speaker 1 (58:13):
But you know my team is they alto prepared, which
I'm thankful for.
Speaker 2 (58:18):
But I thought about it. I'm like Joe and Jason
is not smiling.
Speaker 3 (58:22):
They don't look like our guys.
Speaker 2 (58:25):
Them. What is just look like? Our guys look like
they know what the bubonic chronic this this?
Speaker 4 (58:33):
Nah?
Speaker 2 (58:34):
Let me tell you them with that joke.
Speaker 3 (58:36):
Your guys they all got listen. Our staff is great.
Let me tell you something. We have a great staff.
Ain't none of them got the lines like him? You
see them ship like he rose with that ship Mike
he got this ship. Two women here with me.
Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah, yeah, on the point.
Speaker 3 (58:57):
Listen, let me tell you something. Your risk for war
uses both god, man, let me tell you but this
is not dinosaur, not lately, because I'm in the game.
Every now and then I lurk and I look at
a little sumthing and I said, damn everything we know.
I'm just keeping it a buck. I want everybody to
get a dollar. But dang't us we entertaining? We get
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we dropped close closest you think, like closest to us.
Speaker 2 (59:27):
Don't get No, he's about to tell you something crazy.
Speaker 3 (59:30):
Don't look. You know they're not us. You want to
know why, because we're Chuck and Shock. We got the
chips Kenny. He got the Kenny leg.
Speaker 2 (59:39):
I got the Kenny leg.
Speaker 3 (59:41):
Yeah, I got the Kenny spirit. I'm more like Kenny.
Speaker 2 (59:46):
Yeah, we chucky there.
Speaker 3 (59:49):
You know what you're here. You're training here, Yo, you
might have showed me how to straighten the leg out. Man,
I can't take this man's new It's there a way off,
hold on, hold on, it's there way. Your man trades
nothing else.
Speaker 2 (01:00:05):
Don't care. He can't give him anything, giant balltender.
Speaker 3 (01:00:08):
It's there a way for me to straighten out my
leg like legally or is it like an operation calisthenic. Oh,
you don't know about fucking boy he knows the human body.
He don't know about away from me all fucked up
for a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
He can't fix your leg.
Speaker 3 (01:00:30):
He can fix your jesty shoulders, you know, but donna
give me the list off your leg is strike right.
There's a way to do it right, Joe my Son
seventy six ship of operation for my leg. He got
them fucked up out there they think of my leg.
Speaker 2 (01:00:46):
Here lords in London.
Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
Up and y see we got these These are snow ships.
This is like having a heater all this is. He's
a snow Those are fire on my sea.
Speaker 2 (01:00:59):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
For there, that's the timely way you get the right shoot.
They I gotta go stores up tail the Bronx haul
in Washington Knights.
Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
They gave him a twelve and ten and a half Timbo.
Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
He came up and he was like, yeah, you know,
cells dropped after that, yo, yo, yo, yo, kiss your
word is gold in the hood. Our cells dropped after that.
Little ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I went back.
Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
They took care of me they had. They had a
Krispy box for me, and they gave me the right.
Make sure you shot up.
Speaker 2 (01:01:32):
Man, your word is golden. Let me ask you she's
hit him with that?
Speaker 3 (01:01:36):
Let me ask your bounty when you hit hit bound,
kiss his dressing, his age, and to me, he's flying,
you know. Now, A lot of they call us tween
ages and ship like that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:49):
They call you.
Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
They talking about if you got a quarter zipper or something.
You are old man on day a quarter zippers. I
just capped the four quarter zip for sure. Quarter ships. No, no,
the quarter four thousand dollars lord reading it now? The
(01:02:10):
quarter quarters trying to fucking disrespect Air Force one. They say,
his granddad's shoes.
Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
Yeah, I ain't. That can't be.
Speaker 3 (01:02:21):
Are you with new balance?
Speaker 2 (01:02:23):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
You you like a don Jesus, you're like a don king.
Don king come in the ring with a Mexican and
Puerto Rican fly whoever won.
Speaker 2 (01:02:31):
That's the ship he walking on the way when you
put her.
Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
Motherfucker like that. He came with the wedding, he left
with them with him. That's the cody. Le's the cody.
Now that's gonna be like the coda. No, No, that's
not gonna happen just when you put these on. Oh,
I know it's your risk for you, bucker.
Speaker 2 (01:02:51):
Wat should you yo Joe? When you when you when
you put the.
Speaker 3 (01:02:54):
Layout put them joints up there? Oh no, we want
to do it.
Speaker 1 (01:02:58):
By the way, use I had to get a whole
new got coming everything.
Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
I brought a class.
Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
Don't do that. I brought a classic out.
Speaker 2 (01:03:06):
Now that you do that, wait for him.
Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:03:13):
No, believe my business.
Speaker 3 (01:03:14):
No, no, no, I'm not business. Fay give me a
day tune of Christmas.
Speaker 2 (01:03:19):
I got a gift for you, by the way, I
got a gift coming for you by you get a
Daytona in the the mins for Chris.
Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
I never said nothing about no day timing. I don't
know what niggas from you. It might be a fucking
Lettuce rap because he's sold vegetarian is rap. That ship
might be nobody. I got a gift for you, though,
that's that's no bullshit. I got a nice, thoughtful gift
for you that you're gonna truly enjoy.
Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Brother, what's a watch? Who wants the next to what?
But your risk?
Speaker 3 (01:03:49):
Ball? This ain't that, that, ain't this crack ain't just
gotta get the noise for Rick
Speaker 4 (01:04:00):
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