March 11, 2026 • 33 mins
7-time NBA Champion Robert Horry joins the show to tell Colin while the Lakers are a better team when LeBron James doesn’t play.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well, if very few players can say this, Robert or
made the playoffs in each season of a sixteen year
NBA career, never lost in the first round, thirty nine
playoffs series wins. Now he does a great job Laker
analyst on Spectrum, see him all the time talking Lakers,
and he is now joining US live. Played for Phil
(00:47):
Popovitch Rudy T. So I want to start before we
get to the Lakers stuff, because you know him well
and you had some great comments off the air. So
everybody's kind of banging on bam out of Bayu, and
I know, I know what was fun. But Robert, he
had thirty one in the first quarter in sixty two
through three, And I remember the Kobe eighty one game.
(01:08):
Kobe scored eleven points in the last four minutes and
they and he was taking all the shots. So can
I defend Bam out to buy you and go listen,
when you go into the fourth quarter with sixty two,
your boys are going to take care of you, right,
You're gonna get the looks right?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah? Correct?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You know for me, you know, we all make mistakes sometimes,
and the information I was given about the game, I
jumped to conclusion. So I want to apologize with Bam
saying it should be an ask Bam, you deserve what
you got. You know, after watching the highlights and sowing
the work you put in, I apologize you put it
into work. It should be no asterids by your game.
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Because you know, I'm a big, big band fan, because
he's only one of the guys that can play a
few guys that can do it on both ends of
the course. So what he did was in a great
a confience, So you know he should be proud of it,
and Miami Heat organizations. More important, his teammates should be
proud of because they got him that they got him
the astroconomical number.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So Robert I was talking about this earlier, is that
for twenty years when Lebron played with Andrena Silgoskas got
him to the Finals, when he played with d Wade
and Bosh four finals, and then then you know he
plays with Anthony Davis and it works, and so I
just thought, naturally, oh, he and Luca would be great together.
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But the net rating since Luca arrived and the defensive
ratings Luca and Austin are better when Lebron's not on
the floor. So I thought that Luca think, well, they
both passed, well, they're both smart players.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
It'll work.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
The data's in. It's they're not great together on the floor.
Why tell me?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Why?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
What do you notice that worked other places that doesn't
work here?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I think when you one of the times I like
the use of basketball players especialist. When you look at
all the other formas that he had, those guys were specialist,
Luca and arre kuind of the same, and then you
throw Lebron and that he's similar. But the problem is
when you have those three in the game, they're not
great defensive players. And you consider Lebron's a good defensive
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player and Luca and ar Okay, you got to have
really good defensive players when you put that mix in
the offense, because at the end of the day, you
have to be able to stop someone, and I know
a lot of times in this game is about you
stopped me first, and then we just you know, let
the cars fall what they may on the other side.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Of go it. But you at the end of the day,
you think about it. When you got that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Situation where you got to score, you got to have
some type of defensive scheme. And I think that was
one of the things that it's not talked about enough,
is about how well you play defense.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, I mean you played with Pop and Phil Jackson.
We think of Phil Jackson for the triangle offense, but
how much did Phil Jackson preach defense at practice all
the time?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
If you go back and look at every championship I
want we were probably top five defensive every year. And
you think about when you have that guy in the
like a Shack Lack, a dream, like a Tim Duncan,
where you can get up on guys and run them
up the three point line. You got that big dog
in the back to block shots and guarding the yard.
It's easy. But you look at the Lakers and you
look at who's guarding that yard. DeAndre Ayton is up
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and down. You know, Jackson Hayes is up and down.
And there's nobody back that it can really guard the
yard like I had. We know with Shag Dream and Tim.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
The you know, I've said before it was different with
Magic or Kobe.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
They're Lakers.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But and I say this, I always defended Lebron for
being mobile and bouncing around the league on his terms.
I defended him. He empowered players. It's sort of the
Lebron empowerment of players. Michael Jordan made the game global.
Lebron empowered players. You guys go look around the league.
And so the downside of that for Lebron.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
There's not a feeling like Magic. Like Magic is a Laker.
When he shows up to the games, people still stand
instead of Crypto. It's like, oh my god, that I
do think. Maybe I'm wrong, Robert, But you could move
off Lebron, give him a statue. I don't think Laker
fans would be outraged like I think they realized.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
He always he was a mobile guy.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
He went to the best situation, He did what was
good for business. He doesn't feel like Magic to me
as a Laker.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I think a lot of times fans forget that it's
a player's choice to go where they want to go
and we get caught up in Oh he's a laker,
he's a cavalier, or he's a heat You think about
when guys in the real world, they don't like their job,
they move to another job. If they don't like to pay,
they go to another job. But when there's an athlete's
kind of you know, it's like, no, you can't do
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that because you're this and that. And I think the choice,
and I think Lebron you know him, Katie, those guys
have had the choice. You know, everybody wants somebody to
be like a Dirk and the kobd stay for twenty
years and Tim Duncan. That ain't the case with everybody.
They wanted to explore options. And I think if he
does get a statue out there, he's deserved. He should
get a statue in Cleveland. He's just get statue in
la he should get a statue in Miami. But because
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you think about what he's done for every organization, sometimes
it's not about the wins, it's about the butts you
put in the seat, And wherever he goes, he puts
butts in the seats, and so he's iconic in that situation.
So you know, I think he should be, you know,
praise Lord than he is. I think we give him
a lot of grief because of the passes he makes
sometimes like he shouldn't have did this. But think about it.
The dude's been in the league longer than half the
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league's been living. You think about it. All the guys
that are in the league now, he's they were born today.
He stepped on the court, and I think that's one
of the things.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
We have to look at in the marvel.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He's just a great athlete, he's a great human being,
and more important, he knows how to keep it separated
each and every game.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
When at forty one.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Years old, Austin reeves, can he be a number two
star on a championship team or do you need another
guy and he's a three?
Speaker 5 (06:50):
How do you feel about Austin?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I love Austin. I think he can be. But it's
going to be very important that when you have also
on the floorid somewhere, if that other number one out
there can play defense is very important. You know, you
look at why san Antonio is so good. You got
nearon Fox who's kind of like osterv He didn't create
his own shot, but he has Winby and vass and
all those guys who can play defense.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
That makes them made the shine. And I think that's
one of.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
The thing that you can You can go back and
look at a couple series like when Dallas would play
Lakers and they would just ice and go at Ar.
Because what you do with a great offensive player, you
go at him defensively to try.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
To worry him out.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
His legs are tired and he can't shoot his especially
as good as you know me. So I think that's
one of the things that a lot of players like
to do at Luca and Ar because they're not great defenders,
and if you go out there and it kind of
makes his legs a little tired, so they shots on
as effective.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The You know, the numbers are pretty clear when Luca,
Lebron and Austin are on the floor together, it doesn't
work for the for the for the reasons you've mentioned,
they don't have a defensive stopper. But I also think
there is something you know, I was saying this, You
could put a bunch of young actors in a room,
but if Denzel Washington walk in, all the young actors
and they could be the hottest people in Hollywood, they
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would look at Denzel and they'd all say, Okay, it's
Denzel's room because somebody. Lebron is such an iconic figure
that I feel that sometimes. And it is not Lebron's fault,
but when Austin and Lebron are on the court together,
like Austin's not as aggressive, it's like, well, Lebron, I mean,
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he grew up watching idolizing Lebron, and so this is
not a Lebron fault or nor would it be a
Denzel fault with a room full of young actors, but
I do think it's time to make it Luca's team
and Austin's team, and Lebron kind of takes the oxygen
out of the room sometimes because he's so big.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Well, you know, it's does sports. A lot of teams
have the hierarchy who you're going to go to. What
you do is you go to a guy who has
a mismatch, and nine times out a team Lebron has
a mismatch, and you sacrifice your game for the betterment
of the team, you know, and if you look out,
you know, you think about Dwayne.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Wade sacrifice his game.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Steph Curry sacrificed his game for KD and then you
know the great players do that in order for those
guys are exceptional. You know, the upper edgement proms like
Lebron to be able to shine. I think sometimes it's
up to the you know if you know, sometimes Lebron
be like, no, go you cook, you do your thing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But it's up to the player to look.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
At a sit on the bench and say, yo, man,
I got the advantage night, I'm hot.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Let me cook. And I think ar has finally.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Gotten to that point after coming back from the injury,
saying you know what, Lebron, I have the mismatch.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You know what, Luca, I had the mismatch.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Even last night's game, Luca kin was like, Okay, do
your thing because we know how Bald down to Luca
being because he has the advantage no nine times out
of ten when he has the ball offensively. So I
think that's a big factor in the communication part of
the players and say.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yo, you know I'm not I'm not getting in your way.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I'm gonna go stand in the corner and knock down
this three of your passes to me.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So I think that's what they have to do.
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Speaker 1 (11:10):
Hey are you surprised? Wemby looks like he's going to
take over the league. He's an international player. The last
six or seven MVPs have been international players. The academy
system Overseas puts a lot of young players against older men.
So they come in to America they've played against older dudes.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
They are highly skilled.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
That doesn't mean we don't produce great young Cooper flag
Aunt Edwards. Are you surprised, however, over the last decade
how international players have taken over the NBA.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Not at all, because I think the way they have
this system setup is so great. I think I aau
system and our coaching system on a high school that
was flawed because the great guy he just rolled the
ball out.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Then you let him play and you can out of
their way.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
And if you think about how many international players you
look at, just take their form when they shoot the ball,
they form it is almost perfect.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You look at American players.
Speaker 4 (12:10):
Coaches are so afraid to coach now because the parents
are in the ear like, don't touch my kids, shine,
don't dismuch it. And then they don't like what's happening.
They jump ships, they go to another school. You know,
you think about it. In college, nil money is making
guys jump school. Nobody is learning the game, dude. They're
going for their money. They're going for the best situation
for them. And that's why I like coaches like izo Iszo.
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He has that situation where he's trying to teach players. He's,
you know, getting players to be to you know, go
to the next level. And for me, I just think
we're jumping ships so much because when we face versity
as players, we don't like it. We want to go
to the greener grass, and the grass is not always
greener on the other side, and so it starts at
the bottom of our pharm system.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Soor to say that we're not.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Able to teach players because players now are so sensitive
when you yell at them or try to teach them,
they think you're being mean and they want to move
on with someone's on to pat him on the.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Back all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Sometimes you need to kick in the butt to get
you started, not a paddle on the back.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
So you played with a team, you played with Duncan
you played with Shock? What do you make a what
do you make a Wemby? This is new the new
iteration of the big man, what do you.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Make of it? Wemby? Is extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
You know, we keep saying using the term alien and
I when you watch him, he's getting better and better.
And you think about how he started the season. Now
you know he was more trying to take a lot
of jump shots. And yeah, we know you can shoot
the jumper, but you six seven, I mean seven six,
just jump hook someone, get paints, you know, do everything,
because you can do everything, and it's hard to find
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players like that. You know, when I look at Wimby,
I just I see Dirk newhiskey at seven six. He's
able to handle on the rock. He's able to even
though Dirk didn't play no deepens, but when Winby does,
he's able to block shots. He's a game changer, you know.
And I think when you look at systems and you
look at the coaching staff over there, and you know,
you talk about culture and you talk about what was
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cultivating San Antonio with guys just play hard each and
every night.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
That's why that team wins, because.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Those young guys came into a situation where they know
the culture in San Antonio's play hard each and every
night and good things are going to happen.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, Robert or sixteen year seven titles sixteen year NBA veteran.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
You won.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You won almost seventy percent of your game, so you
you won. Say, I'm gonna look this up again. This number,
j Max. You couldn't believe this number. So hold on third. Okay,
third most career playoff series wins, thirty nine all time.
Give me, man, that's a lot of series wins. What
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give me the loss? Give me a series loss that
you for years and years you couldn't get over.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Oh man, my last game is a laker.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Remember I want to last.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Seriously, we was paying San Antonio back in two thousand
and for the year they won.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know I had I would think I.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Was like three for thirty nine from three for the series.
For the for the playoffs, I wasn't shooting it very well.
I remember Kobe kick it to me in San Antonio,
my favorite spot. I missed the shot the buzzer. We
lose that game. Then we go home to LA for
Game six. The Spurs beat us and they going and
win the championship. And that haunts me for a bunch
of reasons, because if I make that shot, you know,
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we probably win that series because it gives us life.
But on the other flip side of that, the Lakers.
I'm picking my option and I lose a lot of.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Money because they let me go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I watch you regularly on all the Lakers stuff, and
congrats and your success and thank you for coming on
my man.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Thanks for having men also, you know, I want to
appreciate you for having you know, I always been a
big fan. You should always kid you about Alabama stuff. Man,
So I want to appreciate you for letting me come
on have this platform.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
You played for four years for whimp Sanderson's I remember.
I remember that's when guys actually stayed in college, didn't
bounce around.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Well, good seeing you, Yeah, good to see you, brother.
All right, big shot Bob Robert or seven time champ.
That is just an insane number to me. Thirty nine
playoff wins, playoff series wins.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
It's incredible. J Mack with a.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
News no, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
So that shot against the Kings, the three over Weber.
I was at a bar in dewey Beach, Colin. It
went bananas, Dewey Beach, Jelaware.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
It was amazing.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
I'll still remember that to this day. People were going crazy.
What a big shot, Bob, such a legend. All right,
let's get started with Max Crosby and the backout in Baltimore.
Ravens say no, Raiders are like, oh, well, we'll just
trading for someone else who's gonna offer to first. And
I think the discussion next becomes like, what do you
do if you're the Raiders. I think you've got three
options Colin. Door number one, take whatever you can get,
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get him out of the building.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Door number two, hey, man, you're not healthy.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
We're not taking peanuts here for a guy who may
not be healthy to start the season. Option three is
you could trade him at the deadline if things are
going sour.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
You know, rookie quarterback, you're not great.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Let's see whatever we can get a contender needs in
that rusher we get something there?
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Is there maybe a door number four I'm missing? Or
which one? Are you leaning on these options for Crosby?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
My guess is I mean he was in the facility today,
so it's not hard feelings. I think you know, Albert
Breer said this earlier. You could move him in the season.
I don't think it's as chaotic as everybody thinks. I
mean again, he was in the facility working out. He
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loves the Raiders, the fans love it. And I said
this a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn't have traded
him because my take is, you've got so many draft picks.
I think they have eleven to twelve draft picks, right,
your team's gonna get really young. And you I mean,
if I said to you, name the dependable Raider veterans,
you're like Max Crosby, Colton Miller, and that's about it.
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It's a young team with a lot of their you know,
like San Francisco's got some young players, but their best.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Players are all old players.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Trent and Christian and Kittle and Bosa. It's like most
of the players for the Raiders that we really like,
outside of Max Crosby, are these ascending young players. So
that's why Tyler Linderbaum, that's a good get. That's an older,
you know, four or five year in the league veteran guy.
So if they couldn't move Max, I'd be okay with it.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
So, but they also got some veterans who have playoff experience, right, So.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Ron Johnson, the cornerback, has been a lot of playoffs.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Linderbaum as you said, Kwaiy Walker's been in the playoffs,
you had the Nikobe Dean, a lot of wars in Philly, Like,
these aren't just experienced guys, but they've got the chops,
they've been there before. I think there's a world where
the Raiders kind of surprise folks.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Oh, I mean seven eight games.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh, I think I would not be shocked. You think
it's crazy, but we watched New England last year. If
Clint Kobiak works as a head coach, I would not
be shocked if they sneak in as a wild card team.
You know it's because you know we've done the Washington
Commanders awful to NFC Championship. If the quarterback can play
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and you're not paying him and you can surround him
with B plus guys, this Raider roster is not going
to look anything. Yeah, opening game, opening weekend, early September.
This roster is gonna have like New England, twenty new
players and twelve new starters.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
And you also know how life works, right, Sometimes you
miss out on a job and you're devastated, and six
months later something better comes along and you're like, Wow,
I'm glad I didn't get that other job.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
This could be a blessing in disguise, you know, keeping crossby.
Maybe it becomes a leader. All right, let's move on
to bam Adebayo and.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
His eighty three point game last night against the hapless Wizards,
the tanking Wizards. Some people are, I don't know, not
that impressed with bam As you know, at points last night,
Washington was like triple teaming him so he wouldn't get
the ball. They didn't sub him out up twenty late
in the game, missing free throws on purpose. Here's a
Emai Udoka, the coach of the Rockets, on the last
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night's eighty three points.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
I mean, first thing you think is how you know
because of not because of him, but because of the
way he plays, you know. And I saw it only
made six threes, but forty free throws or something like
that tells the story right there. And the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, I mean he averages five free throws a game.
He got forty three.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Yeah, I think you.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Nailed it with the Hey, this is a special impressive
performance all time stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I think when you have sixty two at the end
of three quarters, everybody just looks down the bench is
like bro we got to take care of our guy.
Let's get him to Kobe's number. Think that's what happened,
and I'm okay with it. So I think it was
Jalen Rose.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Do you remember who the defender was when Kobe scored
eighty one? Someone on the Raptors and we remembered it
for years now, it's been all fifteen years. But there's
nobody on Washington who we even know because they're actively tanking.
Have you looked at the guys they've played last night on.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Their ages were twenty twenty, twenty nineteen, and twenty one.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
They're playing two way guys in hope.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
We're playing college these games.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Yeah, exactly. Michigan was probably older than the starting lineup
that Washington tried it out last night, So I mean,
I get it. It's fascinating.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
So it's eighty three freaking points man, final storycom Team
USA Baseball.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
We got to hit it just one more time.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
USA is playing the waiting game due to that loss
to Italy last night.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
It's very clear they need Italy need to beat.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Mexico tonight or Mexico scores five runs, that's how the
US advances.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Here's Mark de Rosa after the loss last.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
Night, tough game, great game by Italy. Jumped on US quick,
couple big homers to kind of stifle the crowd a
little bit, and uh.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Just a little.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
We had the right guys to play it at the
right time, just weren't able to get it done.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
So again, I you know, I'm not really up on
Nolan McClain.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
This is Team USA.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Nolan McLain had eight MLB starts according to our staff.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Eight.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
Why is he pitching in that spot? Nolan McLain, Team
USA Baseball?
Speaker 8 (22:30):
That like, that's a that's a tough one for the
young guy.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Well, I mean we have bombed by Italy.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well, you know, you get to these international competitions.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Yeah, listen, if if the USA soccer team at the
World Cup, you know, gets shelled for nothing in the
group stage, trust me, you're not going to handle it
that way.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Well, World Cup it feels a little different.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
World Baseball Classic is popping off. It's doing huge numbers
of people. Are it is People are obsessed with the
I mean the games are great.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Yep, yeah, I agree Jmack with the news.
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Speaker 1 (23:15):
I you know it's everybody's I mean, bam out of
by you. I can't believe he didn't remember. The guy's
been a two time Gold Medalist, three time All Star,
five time All defensive player. I will admit I would
not have guessed Bam out of Bayu would drop eighty three.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
But it's I.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Mean, you go back to the Kobe game that that
Laker team in the fourth quarter, Kobe has taken all
the shots and they were blown out a bad team.
I think a lot of it is people are just
surprised to Bam out of Bayou. But he is an
elite player. If you're an Olympian, you are an elite player,
elite length. He's been around forever and they're playing a tanking,
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crappy Washington team. Here was a Yannis on his performance.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
Incredible, incredible, Uh speaks spoilum seeing this hard work.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I haven't seen the game. I have to watch the game.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's the thirty six or forty three from the line.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
Yeah, it doesn't matter how you get it all that
might as you've got it.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Ten twenty thirty is from now, everybody's going to maybe
having the fifth he shot. I don't think.
Speaker 10 (24:24):
I don't remember how many shots Kobe shot though how
many made though threes old you to me it's eighty one.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It's uh uh, but it's funny we celebrated Kobe's eighty one.
We still talk in Hershey, Pennsylvania about the Wilt Chamberlain
one hundred. I mean it's if Jahn Morant, who is
not nearly as good as Bamada Bayou, If Jahn Morant
dropped eighty three last night, everybody be like, wow, he
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was cooking. That's unbelievable. Bamada bay who is a much
better player than Ja Morant. If Zion scored eighty three
and Bamada buy he was a much better player than
Zion Williamson, I think people would have liked it. But
when bam does it, it's like, well, it's a lot.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Of free throws.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Here was Wimby didn't seem quite as excited as I am.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Did you see uh fam at eighty three tonight?
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Does that give you any inspiration to go for some
of the bigger scoring numbers, and you.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Guess, yeah, I saw.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I think there's we're a grouping in the league when
where there's plenty of inspiration to look up.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
So but yeah, I saw.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I don't think was that impressed. I do think.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know when people say, well, I mean there's tanking
and the Wizards are terrible. Just let's be honest. All
dynasties usually come from a place of weakness. Is that
the minute Harbaugh gets hired by the Chargers and Sean
Payton gets hired by the Broncos, Now the Kansas City
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Chiefs don't feel quite as dominant, right, Like that's the
reality of Like lebron used to get to the finals
every year in the East. He goes West, he's not
quite as dominant. Nick Saban dominated the SEC, and then
one of his assistants, his best assistant ever, Kirby Smart,
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goes to Georgia and then Texas joins the Conference and
Nick Saban is not as dominant at Alabama. And so
you know, when anybody has a great dynasty or a
great run, I mean Tom Brady and we all love Tom.
The Jets were in the toilet most of that twenty
years the Bills were absolutely in the toilet and the
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Dolphins were always average. The minute the Buffalo Bills got
Josh Allen, suddenly Belichick wasn't this dominant against the quarterbacks
in his division. He could not stop Josh Allen. So,
you know, I mean, the way I look at it
is Kobe did his number against the lousy Raptors team
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and they kept him into the end of the game
to chuck up threes, and Wilt did it against a
Knicks team that was eighteen hundred, five hundred, and Bam
did it against the lousy Wizards team. I mean, this
is the reality of the NBA. And you know, you
go back to that Kobe. It's just funny how we
celebrate the Kobe game. Oh so believable. He scored eleven
(27:42):
points in the last four minutes. They kept him in
the game. Here's JJ Reddick on what happened last night.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'll have to watch the tape.
Speaker 11 (27:54):
I mean, it's incredible what he was able to do.
They've been playing great basketball lately. And I said to
my coaching staff, the heater roling, and they all kind
of looked at each other and they're like, are you
kidding right now? I was like, no, what's up. They're like,
they're thirty six and twenty eight or whatever they are.
They're getting ready to be thirty seven and twenty eight,
and they're like, no, BAM has seventy seven. And I
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was like, huh. And then I watched the last three
minutes and that was a different type of basketball.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, they doctored it up a little bit. It's okay,
But to me, eighty three is eighty three, you know it.
I just we do this all the time. People choose
what they like and they defend what they like. People
loved Kobe. Kobe could be a total ballhog. Kobe was
very difficult to play with. I mean I read that
(28:44):
Jeff Pearlman book, A Three Ring Circus. I mean it
was hard to like Kobe when you got that kind
of revelations and insight about Kobe Bryant the teammate, like
he wore every he wore Phil Jackson and shack out
other stars. So I think it's we just you know,
BAM's not a guy. I'm telling you right now, if
John Morant, who's half the player of BAM, got eighty three,
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will everybody be celebrating tonight?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
That would feel fitting. We just don't like that.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's bam and I mean to get eighty three in basketball?
Who are we kidding here? You gotta be playing a
crappy team and things are getting doctored, you're taking shut,
you're staying in the game. That's a blowout. That's the
way it works, Joan, do you.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Think do you think that? Like, you know, there's a
lot of pushback online against this.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
I wonder if that's authentic or people just realize, Hey,
that's the only way my comments can break through and
go viral is if I trash a guy scoring eighty
three points because I don't know, I'm seeing stuff like, oh,
the Miami heat culture is done.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I don't want to hear heat culture anymore.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
Now heat culture is forcing eighty three points against a
tanking team with some subbing Bam back into the game,
and I don't know, people are really hammering the heat.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
People are saying Eric Spolstraw, I don't want him. Oh,
it's people are losing their minds over this.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Well, people don't have much of a mind to begin with,
that they're losing their minds over this. Yeah, it has
sposed as a great coach and you know, it's it's
a moment against the tanking, terrible team of basically teenagers
and one year older than teenagers, and they kept Bam
in and he was getting to the free throw line,
(30:25):
and it's, uh.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
If this were Anthony Edwards Colling, everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Would still if this was Anthony Edwards who shot forty
three free throws, everybody would love it.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Today.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Everybody would think it was so cool because Ant's cool
and John or Ant's cool and BAM's just a quiet,
soft spoken, hard working defensive warrior, and they and he
doesn't fit what we want our eighty three points to
come from.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
That's all this is.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
And there's probably a little pushback. Well, Kobe's Kobe at
eighty one. We don't want anybody topping that. Obviously, Kobe
very well loved, you know, merch just an awesome human
being and career. And it's like, I don't people aren't
really in on Bam. He's like a center scoring eighty
three points, but shooting he's got twenty two to three pointers.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Collin.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
Is that that's a little goofy?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, I mean I think the stat line that's amazing
is he had thirty one points in the first quarter. Now,
I don't know if that's an all time record, it's
gotta be close. That is a ton of points. That's
basically that's a big night for Luca.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
In twelve minutes for Lucas scored I think seventy or
seventy one in a game.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Devin Booker had over seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Emple Re scored seventy one in a game. I guarantee
you he didn't play a lick of defense. Nobody cared, Hey.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
Settle down bashing Luca. Somebody stepped up their defense with
Lebron out. I don't know if it was Luca, Reeves, Jackson, Hayes, Ruyatchimoa.
Lakers are playing defense against the Knicks and the Wolves
might be Luca. And by the way, now that we
know Luca's going through some stuff off the court, fam related,
I'm sure you saw that story, like, hey, maybe we
should settle down bashing him for yelling at the refs.
(32:05):
You know, dude, he got stuff going on at home.
You don't know he's taking it out on the riffs.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
He's been yelling at the refs from his first day
in the league.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
That's not a trouble at home now, I'm angry yelling
at the ref situation. I always think, like to me,
arguing with the refs is just it now is a
time consuming.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
It's energy sapping.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Like anytime you argue with anybody, it's it's energy sapping.
It's like, Luca, you barely have enough energy to play defense?
Speaker 5 (32:33):
What are you talking?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, to be one thing, if he was a
Michael Jordan could sometimes bark at the refs. But Jordan
was relentless. He'd play eighteen holes of golf. He was
great offensively, he was great defense. I mean, Michael had
weird energy, like beyond even like a great athlete energy.
I remember years ago when he played baseball and he
was in the South, like Birmingham, and he's wearing one
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of those jackets in the South, taking bratting practice until
he had blisters on his hand because he was trying
and he had he had one of those dark jackets
on to lose weight. And I'm like, I couldn't be
outside for five minutes and it was ninety in the heat,
It's Alabama, and he's out there taking wax. So you know,
Jordan is one of those guys where you got it
(33:19):
on both ends. So I don't have a problem barking
at res. Luca plays no defense. It's like, bro, save
the very limited extra energy you have when you don't
have the ball to you know, man, A guy up.
All right, we're done, Albert Breer, thank you for stopping by.
Robert or as well. I've been reading the you know,
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some of the free agents stuff today. It's backups, it's
rotational guys. It's a third corner, a second guard that
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Speaker 1 (00:25):
Well, if very few players can say this, Robert or
made the playoffs in each season of a sixteen year
NBA career, never lost in the first round, thirty nine
playoffs series wins. Now he does a great job Laker
analyst on Spectrum, see him all the time talking Lakers,
and he is now joining US live. Played for Phil
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Popovitch Rudy T. So I want to start before we
get to the Lakers stuff, because you know him well
and you had some great comments off the air. So
everybody's kind of banging on bam out of Bayu, and
I know, I know what was fun. But Robert, he
had thirty one in the first quarter in sixty two
through three, And I remember the Kobe eighty one game.
(01:08):
Kobe scored eleven points in the last four minutes and
they and he was taking all the shots. So can
I defend Bam out to buy you and go listen,
when you go into the fourth quarter with sixty two,
your boys are going to take care of you, right,
You're gonna get the looks right?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Yeah? Correct?
Speaker 4 (01:27):
You know for me, you know, we all make mistakes sometimes,
and the information I was given about the game, I
jumped to conclusion. So I want to apologize with Bam
saying it should be an ask Bam, you deserve what
you got. You know, after watching the highlights and sowing
the work you put in, I apologize you put it
into work. It should be no asterids by your game.
(01:47):
Because you know, I'm a big, big band fan, because
he's only one of the guys that can play a
few guys that can do it on both ends of
the course. So what he did was in a great
a confience, So you know he should be proud of it,
and Miami Heat organizations. More important, his teammates should be
proud of because they got him that they got him
the astroconomical number.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
So Robert I was talking about this earlier, is that
for twenty years when Lebron played with Andrena Silgoskas got
him to the Finals, when he played with d Wade
and Bosh four finals, and then then you know he
plays with Anthony Davis and it works, and so I
just thought, naturally, oh, he and Luca would be great together.
(02:28):
But the net rating since Luca arrived and the defensive
ratings Luca and Austin are better when Lebron's not on
the floor. So I thought that Luca think, well, they
both passed, well, they're both smart players.
Speaker 5 (02:41):
It'll work.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
The data's in. It's they're not great together on the floor.
Why tell me?
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Why?
Speaker 1 (02:49):
What do you notice that worked other places that doesn't
work here?
Speaker 4 (02:53):
I think when you one of the times I like
the use of basketball players especialist. When you look at
all the other formas that he had, those guys were specialist,
Luca and arre kuind of the same, and then you
throw Lebron and that he's similar. But the problem is
when you have those three in the game, they're not
great defensive players. And you consider Lebron's a good defensive
(03:14):
player and Luca and ar Okay, you got to have
really good defensive players when you put that mix in
the offense, because at the end of the day, you
have to be able to stop someone, and I know
a lot of times in this game is about you
stopped me first, and then we just you know, let
the cars fall what they may on the other side.
Speaker 3 (03:31):
Of go it. But you at the end of the day,
you think about it. When you got that.
Speaker 4 (03:35):
Situation where you got to score, you got to have
some type of defensive scheme. And I think that was
one of the things that it's not talked about enough,
is about how well you play defense.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Yeah, I mean you played with Pop and Phil Jackson.
We think of Phil Jackson for the triangle offense, but
how much did Phil Jackson preach defense at practice all
the time?
Speaker 4 (03:53):
If you go back and look at every championship I
want we were probably top five defensive every year. And
you think about when you have that guy in the
like a Shack Lack, a dream, like a Tim Duncan,
where you can get up on guys and run them
up the three point line. You got that big dog
in the back to block shots and guarding the yard.
It's easy. But you look at the Lakers and you
look at who's guarding that yard. DeAndre Ayton is up
(04:14):
and down. You know, Jackson Hayes is up and down.
And there's nobody back that it can really guard the
yard like I had. We know with Shag Dream and Tim.
Speaker 1 (04:23):
The you know, I've said before it was different with
Magic or Kobe.
Speaker 5 (04:28):
They're Lakers.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
But and I say this, I always defended Lebron for
being mobile and bouncing around the league on his terms.
I defended him. He empowered players. It's sort of the
Lebron empowerment of players. Michael Jordan made the game global.
Lebron empowered players. You guys go look around the league.
And so the downside of that for Lebron.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
Is that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
There's not a feeling like Magic. Like Magic is a Laker.
When he shows up to the games, people still stand
instead of Crypto. It's like, oh my god, that I
do think. Maybe I'm wrong, Robert, But you could move
off Lebron, give him a statue. I don't think Laker
fans would be outraged like I think they realized.
Speaker 5 (05:12):
He always he was a mobile guy.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
He went to the best situation, He did what was
good for business. He doesn't feel like Magic to me
as a Laker.
Speaker 4 (05:20):
I think a lot of times fans forget that it's
a player's choice to go where they want to go
and we get caught up in Oh he's a laker,
he's a cavalier, or he's a heat You think about
when guys in the real world, they don't like their job,
they move to another job. If they don't like to pay,
they go to another job. But when there's an athlete's
kind of you know, it's like, no, you can't do
(05:41):
that because you're this and that. And I think the choice,
and I think Lebron you know him, Katie, those guys
have had the choice. You know, everybody wants somebody to
be like a Dirk and the kobd stay for twenty
years and Tim Duncan. That ain't the case with everybody.
They wanted to explore options. And I think if he
does get a statue out there, he's deserved. He should
get a statue in Cleveland. He's just get statue in
la he should get a statue in Miami. But because
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you think about what he's done for every organization, sometimes
it's not about the wins, it's about the butts you
put in the seat, And wherever he goes, he puts
butts in the seats, and so he's iconic in that situation.
So you know, I think he should be, you know,
praise Lord than he is. I think we give him
a lot of grief because of the passes he makes
sometimes like he shouldn't have did this. But think about it.
The dude's been in the league longer than half the
(06:23):
league's been living. You think about it. All the guys
that are in the league now, he's they were born today.
He stepped on the court, and I think that's one
of the things.
Speaker 3 (06:32):
We have to look at in the marvel.
Speaker 4 (06:33):
He's just a great athlete, he's a great human being,
and more important, he knows how to keep it separated
each and every game.
Speaker 3 (06:39):
When at forty one.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
Years old, Austin reeves, can he be a number two
star on a championship team or do you need another
guy and he's a three?
Speaker 5 (06:50):
How do you feel about Austin?
Speaker 4 (06:52):
I love Austin. I think he can be. But it's
going to be very important that when you have also
on the floorid somewhere, if that other number one out
there can play defense is very important. You know, you
look at why san Antonio is so good. You got
nearon Fox who's kind of like osterv He didn't create
his own shot, but he has Winby and vass and
all those guys who can play defense.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
That makes them made the shine. And I think that's
one of.
Speaker 4 (07:15):
The thing that you can You can go back and
look at a couple series like when Dallas would play
Lakers and they would just ice and go at Ar.
Because what you do with a great offensive player, you
go at him defensively to try.
Speaker 3 (07:26):
To worry him out.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
His legs are tired and he can't shoot his especially
as good as you know me. So I think that's
one of the things that a lot of players like
to do at Luca and Ar because they're not great defenders,
and if you go out there and it kind of
makes his legs a little tired, so they shots on
as effective.
Speaker 1 (07:43):
The You know, the numbers are pretty clear when Luca,
Lebron and Austin are on the floor together, it doesn't
work for the for the for the reasons you've mentioned,
they don't have a defensive stopper. But I also think
there is something you know, I was saying this, You
could put a bunch of young actors in a room,
but if Denzel Washington walk in, all the young actors
and they could be the hottest people in Hollywood, they
(08:04):
would look at Denzel and they'd all say, Okay, it's
Denzel's room because somebody. Lebron is such an iconic figure
that I feel that sometimes. And it is not Lebron's fault,
but when Austin and Lebron are on the court together,
like Austin's not as aggressive, it's like, well, Lebron, I mean,
(08:24):
he grew up watching idolizing Lebron, and so this is
not a Lebron fault or nor would it be a
Denzel fault with a room full of young actors, but
I do think it's time to make it Luca's team
and Austin's team, and Lebron kind of takes the oxygen
out of the room sometimes because he's so big.
Speaker 5 (08:45):
Is that fair?
Speaker 4 (08:47):
Well, you know, it's does sports. A lot of teams
have the hierarchy who you're going to go to. What
you do is you go to a guy who has
a mismatch, and nine times out a team Lebron has
a mismatch, and you sacrifice your game for the betterment
of the team, you know, and if you look out,
you know, you think about Dwayne.
Speaker 3 (09:04):
Wade sacrifice his game.
Speaker 4 (09:06):
Steph Curry sacrificed his game for KD and then you
know the great players do that in order for those
guys are exceptional. You know, the upper edgement proms like
Lebron to be able to shine. I think sometimes it's
up to the you know if you know, sometimes Lebron
be like, no, go you cook, you do your thing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
But it's up to the player to look.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
At a sit on the bench and say, yo, man,
I got the advantage night, I'm hot.
Speaker 3 (09:29):
Let me cook. And I think ar has finally.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
Gotten to that point after coming back from the injury,
saying you know what, Lebron, I have the mismatch.
Speaker 3 (09:36):
You know what, Luca, I had the mismatch.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Even last night's game, Luca kin was like, Okay, do
your thing because we know how Bald down to Luca
being because he has the advantage no nine times out
of ten when he has the ball offensively. So I
think that's a big factor in the communication part of
the players and say.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
Yo, you know I'm not I'm not getting in your way.
Speaker 4 (09:54):
I'm gonna go stand in the corner and knock down
this three of your passes to me.
Speaker 3 (09:57):
So I think that's what they have to do.
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Hey are you surprised? Wemby looks like he's going to
take over the league. He's an international player. The last
six or seven MVPs have been international players. The academy
system Overseas puts a lot of young players against older men.
So they come in to America they've played against older dudes.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
They are highly skilled.
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Aunt Edwards. Are you surprised, however, over the last decade
how international players have taken over the NBA.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
Not at all, because I think the way they have
this system setup is so great. I think I aau
system and our coaching system on a high school that
was flawed because the great guy he just rolled the
ball out.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
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Speaker 4 (12:00):
And if you think about how many international players you
look at, just take their form when they shoot the ball,
they form it is almost perfect.
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Coaches are so afraid to coach now because the parents
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don't dismuch it. And then they don't like what's happening.
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you think about it. In college, nil money is making
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going for their money. They're going for the best situation
for them. And that's why I like coaches like izo Iszo.
(12:31):
He has that situation where he's trying to teach players. He's,
you know, getting players to be to you know, go
to the next level. And for me, I just think
we're jumping ships so much because when we face versity
as players, we don't like it. We want to go
to the greener grass, and the grass is not always
greener on the other side, and so it starts at
the bottom of our pharm system.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Soor to say that we're not.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Able to teach players because players now are so sensitive
when you yell at them or try to teach them,
they think you're being mean and they want to move
on with someone's on to pat him on the.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Back all the time.
Speaker 4 (13:02):
Sometimes you need to kick in the butt to get
you started, not a paddle on the back.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
So you played with a team, you played with Duncan
you played with Shock? What do you make a what
do you make a Wemby? This is new the new
iteration of the big man, what do you.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Make of it? Wemby? Is extraordinary.
Speaker 4 (13:20):
You know, we keep saying using the term alien and
I when you watch him, he's getting better and better.
And you think about how he started the season. Now
you know he was more trying to take a lot
of jump shots. And yeah, we know you can shoot
the jumper, but you six seven, I mean seven six,
just jump hook someone, get paints, you know, do everything,
because you can do everything, and it's hard to find
(13:41):
players like that. You know, when I look at Wimby,
I just I see Dirk newhiskey at seven six. He's
able to handle on the rock. He's able to even
though Dirk didn't play no deepens, but when Winby does,
he's able to block shots. He's a game changer, you know.
And I think when you look at systems and you
look at the coaching staff over there, and you know,
you talk about culture and you talk about what was
(14:03):
cultivating San Antonio with guys just play hard each and
every night.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
That's why that team wins, because.
Speaker 4 (14:09):
Those young guys came into a situation where they know
the culture in San Antonio's play hard each and every
night and good things are going to happen.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
Yeah, Robert or sixteen year seven titles sixteen year NBA veteran.
Speaker 5 (14:24):
You won.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
You won almost seventy percent of your game, so you
you won. Say, I'm gonna look this up again. This number,
j Max. You couldn't believe this number. So hold on third. Okay,
third most career playoff series wins, thirty nine all time.
Give me, man, that's a lot of series wins. What
(14:47):
give me the loss? Give me a series loss that
you for years and years you couldn't get over.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Oh man, my last game is a laker.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
Remember I want to last.
Speaker 4 (15:00):
Seriously, we was paying San Antonio back in two thousand
and for the year they won.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know I had I would think I.
Speaker 4 (15:06):
Was like three for thirty nine from three for the series.
For the for the playoffs, I wasn't shooting it very well.
I remember Kobe kick it to me in San Antonio,
my favorite spot. I missed the shot the buzzer. We
lose that game. Then we go home to LA for
Game six. The Spurs beat us and they going and
win the championship. And that haunts me for a bunch
of reasons, because if I make that shot, you know,
(15:28):
we probably win that series because it gives us life.
But on the other flip side of that, the Lakers.
I'm picking my option and I lose a lot of.
Speaker 3 (15:36):
Money because they let me go. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I watch you regularly on all the Lakers stuff, and
congrats and your success and thank you for coming on
my man.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Thanks for having men also, you know, I want to
appreciate you for having you know, I always been a
big fan. You should always kid you about Alabama stuff. Man,
So I want to appreciate you for letting me come
on have this platform.
Speaker 1 (16:01):
You played for four years for whimp Sanderson's I remember.
I remember that's when guys actually stayed in college, didn't
bounce around.
Speaker 5 (16:09):
I remember it.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Well, good seeing you, Yeah, good to see you, brother.
All right, big shot Bob Robert or seven time champ.
That is just an insane number to me. Thirty nine
playoff wins, playoff series wins.
Speaker 5 (16:23):
It's incredible. J Mack with a.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
News no, no turn on the news.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
This is the herdline news.
Speaker 8 (16:33):
So that shot against the Kings, the three over Weber.
I was at a bar in dewey Beach, Colin. It
went bananas, Dewey Beach, Jelaware.
Speaker 7 (16:41):
It was amazing.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
I'll still remember that to this day. People were going crazy.
What a big shot, Bob, such a legend. All right,
let's get started with Max Crosby and the backout in Baltimore.
Ravens say no, Raiders are like, oh, well, we'll just
trading for someone else who's gonna offer to first. And
I think the discussion next becomes like, what do you
do if you're the Raiders. I think you've got three
options Colin. Door number one, take whatever you can get,
(17:04):
get him out of the building.
Speaker 7 (17:05):
Door number two, hey, man, you're not healthy.
Speaker 8 (17:07):
We're not taking peanuts here for a guy who may
not be healthy to start the season. Option three is
you could trade him at the deadline if things are
going sour.
Speaker 7 (17:15):
You know, rookie quarterback, you're not great.
Speaker 8 (17:17):
Let's see whatever we can get a contender needs in
that rusher we get something there?
Speaker 7 (17:22):
Is there maybe a door number four I'm missing? Or
which one? Are you leaning on these options for Crosby?
Speaker 1 (17:30):
My guess is I mean he was in the facility today,
so it's not hard feelings. I think you know, Albert
Breer said this earlier. You could move him in the season.
I don't think it's as chaotic as everybody thinks. I
mean again, he was in the facility working out. He
(17:50):
loves the Raiders, the fans love it. And I said
this a couple of weeks ago. I wouldn't have traded
him because my take is, you've got so many draft picks.
I think they have eleven to twelve draft picks, right,
your team's gonna get really young. And you I mean,
if I said to you, name the dependable Raider veterans,
you're like Max Crosby, Colton Miller, and that's about it.
(18:13):
It's a young team with a lot of their you know,
like San Francisco's got some young players, but their best.
Speaker 5 (18:19):
Players are all old players.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Trent and Christian and Kittle and Bosa. It's like most
of the players for the Raiders that we really like,
outside of Max Crosby, are these ascending young players. So
that's why Tyler Linderbaum, that's a good get. That's an older,
you know, four or five year in the league veteran guy.
So if they couldn't move Max, I'd be okay with it.
Speaker 8 (18:43):
So, but they also got some veterans who have playoff experience, right, So.
Speaker 7 (18:47):
Ron Johnson, the cornerback, has been a lot of playoffs.
Speaker 8 (18:49):
Linderbaum as you said, Kwaiy Walker's been in the playoffs,
you had the Nikobe Dean, a lot of wars in Philly, Like,
these aren't just experienced guys, but they've got the chops,
they've been there before. I think there's a world where
the Raiders kind of surprise folks.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
Oh, I mean seven eight games.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Oh, I think I would not be shocked. You think
it's crazy, but we watched New England last year. If
Clint Kobiak works as a head coach, I would not
be shocked if they sneak in as a wild card team.
You know it's because you know we've done the Washington
Commanders awful to NFC Championship. If the quarterback can play
(19:27):
and you're not paying him and you can surround him
with B plus guys, this Raider roster is not going
to look anything. Yeah, opening game, opening weekend, early September.
This roster is gonna have like New England, twenty new
players and twelve new starters.
Speaker 8 (19:43):
And you also know how life works, right, Sometimes you
miss out on a job and you're devastated, and six
months later something better comes along and you're like, Wow,
I'm glad I didn't get that other job.
Speaker 7 (19:53):
This could be a blessing in disguise, you know, keeping crossby.
Maybe it becomes a leader. All right, let's move on
to bam Adebayo and.
Speaker 8 (20:00):
His eighty three point game last night against the hapless Wizards,
the tanking Wizards. Some people are, I don't know, not
that impressed with bam As you know, at points last night,
Washington was like triple teaming him so he wouldn't get
the ball. They didn't sub him out up twenty late
in the game, missing free throws on purpose. Here's a
Emai Udoka, the coach of the Rockets, on the last
(20:22):
night's eighty three points.
Speaker 3 (20:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 9 (20:25):
I mean, first thing you think is how you know
because of not because of him, but because of the
way he plays, you know. And I saw it only
made six threes, but forty free throws or something like
that tells the story right there. And the Washington Wizards.
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Yeah, I mean he averages five free throws a game.
He got forty three.
Speaker 7 (20:43):
Yeah, I think you.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
Nailed it with the Hey, this is a special impressive
performance all time stuff.
Speaker 1 (20:50):
I think when you have sixty two at the end
of three quarters, everybody just looks down the bench is
like bro we got to take care of our guy.
Let's get him to Kobe's number. Think that's what happened,
and I'm okay with it. So I think it was
Jalen Rose.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 8 (21:05):
Do you remember who the defender was when Kobe scored
eighty one? Someone on the Raptors and we remembered it
for years now, it's been all fifteen years. But there's
nobody on Washington who we even know because they're actively tanking.
Have you looked at the guys they've played last night on.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Their ages were twenty twenty, twenty nineteen, and twenty one.
Speaker 7 (21:24):
They're playing two way guys in hope.
Speaker 5 (21:26):
We're playing college these games.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Yeah, exactly. Michigan was probably older than the starting lineup
that Washington tried it out last night, So I mean,
I get it. It's fascinating.
Speaker 8 (21:35):
So it's eighty three freaking points man, final storycom Team
USA Baseball.
Speaker 7 (21:40):
We got to hit it just one more time.
Speaker 8 (21:42):
USA is playing the waiting game due to that loss
to Italy last night.
Speaker 7 (21:46):
It's very clear they need Italy need to beat.
Speaker 8 (21:48):
Mexico tonight or Mexico scores five runs, that's how the
US advances.
Speaker 7 (21:53):
Here's Mark de Rosa after the loss last.
Speaker 10 (21:55):
Night, tough game, great game by Italy. Jumped on US quick,
couple big homers to kind of stifle the crowd a
little bit, and uh.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
Just a little.
Speaker 10 (22:07):
We had the right guys to play it at the
right time, just weren't able to get it done.
Speaker 7 (22:13):
So again, I you know, I'm not really up on
Nolan McClain.
Speaker 5 (22:19):
Colin.
Speaker 7 (22:20):
This is Team USA.
Speaker 8 (22:21):
Nolan McLain had eight MLB starts according to our staff.
Speaker 4 (22:24):
Eight.
Speaker 7 (22:25):
Why is he pitching in that spot? Nolan McLain, Team
USA Baseball?
Speaker 8 (22:30):
That like, that's a that's a tough one for the
young guy.
Speaker 7 (22:34):
Well, I mean we have bombed by Italy.
Speaker 1 (22:36):
Well, you know, you get to these international competitions.
Speaker 8 (22:40):
Yeah, listen, if if the USA soccer team at the
World Cup, you know, gets shelled for nothing in the
group stage, trust me, you're not going to handle it
that way.
Speaker 4 (22:48):
You know.
Speaker 5 (22:48):
Well, World Cup it feels a little different.
Speaker 8 (22:52):
World Baseball Classic is popping off. It's doing huge numbers
of people. Are it is People are obsessed with the
I mean the games are great.
Speaker 5 (22:59):
Yep, yeah, I agree Jmack with the news.
Speaker 2 (23:03):
Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the
Herd Line News. Be sure to catch live editions of
The Herd weekdays and noon Easter not a em Pacific, so.
Speaker 1 (23:15):
I you know it's everybody's I mean, bam out of
by you. I can't believe he didn't remember. The guy's
been a two time Gold Medalist, three time All Star,
five time All defensive player. I will admit I would
not have guessed Bam out of Bayu would drop eighty three.
Speaker 5 (23:34):
But it's I.
Speaker 1 (23:35):
Mean, you go back to the Kobe game that that
Laker team in the fourth quarter, Kobe has taken all
the shots and they were blown out a bad team.
I think a lot of it is people are just
surprised to Bam out of Bayou. But he is an
elite player. If you're an Olympian, you are an elite player,
elite length. He's been around forever and they're playing a tanking,
(23:56):
crappy Washington team. Here was a Yannis on his performance.
Speaker 10 (24:02):
Incredible, incredible, Uh speaks spoilum seeing this hard work.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
I haven't seen the game. I have to watch the game.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
It's the thirty six or forty three from the line.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
Yeah, it doesn't matter how you get it all that
might as you've got it.
Speaker 3 (24:19):
Ten twenty thirty is from now, everybody's going to maybe
having the fifth he shot. I don't think.
Speaker 10 (24:24):
I don't remember how many shots Kobe shot though how
many made though threes old you to me it's eighty one.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
Yeah, that's exactly how I feel.
Speaker 1 (24:32):
It's uh uh, but it's funny we celebrated Kobe's eighty one.
We still talk in Hershey, Pennsylvania about the Wilt Chamberlain
one hundred. I mean it's if Jahn Morant, who is
not nearly as good as Bamada Bayou, If Jahn Morant
dropped eighty three last night, everybody be like, wow, he
(24:53):
was cooking. That's unbelievable. Bamada bay who is a much
better player than Ja Morant. If Zion scored eighty three
and Bamada buy he was a much better player than
Zion Williamson, I think people would have liked it. But
when bam does it, it's like, well, it's a lot.
Speaker 5 (25:12):
Of free throws.
Speaker 1 (25:13):
Here was Wimby didn't seem quite as excited as I am.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Did you see uh fam at eighty three tonight?
Speaker 8 (25:22):
Does that give you any inspiration to go for some
of the bigger scoring numbers, and you.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
Guess, yeah, I saw.
Speaker 4 (25:37):
I think there's we're a grouping in the league when
where there's plenty of inspiration to look up.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
So but yeah, I saw.
Speaker 5 (25:48):
I don't think was that impressed. I do think.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
You know when people say, well, I mean there's tanking
and the Wizards are terrible. Just let's be honest. All
dynasties usually come from a place of weakness. Is that
the minute Harbaugh gets hired by the Chargers and Sean
Payton gets hired by the Broncos, Now the Kansas City
(26:15):
Chiefs don't feel quite as dominant, right, Like that's the
reality of Like lebron used to get to the finals
every year in the East. He goes West, he's not
quite as dominant. Nick Saban dominated the SEC, and then
one of his assistants, his best assistant ever, Kirby Smart,
(26:37):
goes to Georgia and then Texas joins the Conference and
Nick Saban is not as dominant at Alabama. And so
you know, when anybody has a great dynasty or a
great run, I mean Tom Brady and we all love Tom.
The Jets were in the toilet most of that twenty
years the Bills were absolutely in the toilet and the
(26:58):
Dolphins were always average. The minute the Buffalo Bills got
Josh Allen, suddenly Belichick wasn't this dominant against the quarterbacks
in his division. He could not stop Josh Allen. So,
you know, I mean, the way I look at it
is Kobe did his number against the lousy Raptors team
(27:19):
and they kept him into the end of the game
to chuck up threes, and Wilt did it against a
Knicks team that was eighteen hundred, five hundred, and Bam
did it against the lousy Wizards team. I mean, this
is the reality of the NBA. And you know, you
go back to that Kobe. It's just funny how we
celebrate the Kobe game. Oh so believable. He scored eleven
(27:42):
points in the last four minutes. They kept him in
the game. Here's JJ Reddick on what happened last night.
Speaker 3 (27:50):
I'll have to watch the tape.
Speaker 11 (27:54):
I mean, it's incredible what he was able to do.
They've been playing great basketball lately. And I said to
my coaching staff, the heater roling, and they all kind
of looked at each other and they're like, are you
kidding right now? I was like, no, what's up. They're like,
they're thirty six and twenty eight or whatever they are.
They're getting ready to be thirty seven and twenty eight,
and they're like, no, BAM has seventy seven. And I
(28:16):
was like, huh. And then I watched the last three
minutes and that was a different type of basketball.
Speaker 1 (28:23):
Yeah, they doctored it up a little bit. It's okay,
But to me, eighty three is eighty three, you know it.
I just we do this all the time. People choose
what they like and they defend what they like. People
loved Kobe. Kobe could be a total ballhog. Kobe was
very difficult to play with. I mean I read that
(28:44):
Jeff Pearlman book, A Three Ring Circus. I mean it
was hard to like Kobe when you got that kind
of revelations and insight about Kobe Bryant the teammate, like
he wore every he wore Phil Jackson and shack out
other stars. So I think it's we just you know,
BAM's not a guy. I'm telling you right now, if
John Morant, who's half the player of BAM, got eighty three,
(29:08):
will everybody be celebrating tonight?
Speaker 5 (29:10):
That would feel fitting. We just don't like that.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
It's bam and I mean to get eighty three in basketball?
Who are we kidding here? You gotta be playing a
crappy team and things are getting doctored, you're taking shut,
you're staying in the game. That's a blowout. That's the
way it works, Joan, do you.
Speaker 7 (29:30):
Think do you think that? Like, you know, there's a
lot of pushback online against this.
Speaker 8 (29:34):
I wonder if that's authentic or people just realize, Hey,
that's the only way my comments can break through and
go viral is if I trash a guy scoring eighty
three points because I don't know, I'm seeing stuff like, oh,
the Miami heat culture is done.
Speaker 7 (29:46):
I don't want to hear heat culture anymore.
Speaker 8 (29:48):
Now heat culture is forcing eighty three points against a
tanking team with some subbing Bam back into the game,
and I don't know, people are really hammering the heat.
Speaker 7 (29:57):
People are saying Eric Spolstraw, I don't want him. Oh,
it's people are losing their minds over this.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
Well, people don't have much of a mind to begin with,
that they're losing their minds over this. Yeah, it has
sposed as a great coach and you know, it's it's
a moment against the tanking, terrible team of basically teenagers
and one year older than teenagers, and they kept Bam
in and he was getting to the free throw line,
(30:25):
and it's, uh.
Speaker 7 (30:27):
If this were Anthony Edwards Colling, everybody.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Would still if this was Anthony Edwards who shot forty
three free throws, everybody would love it.
Speaker 5 (30:34):
Today.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Everybody would think it was so cool because Ant's cool
and John or Ant's cool and BAM's just a quiet,
soft spoken, hard working defensive warrior, and they and he
doesn't fit what we want our eighty three points to
come from.
Speaker 5 (30:49):
That's all this is.
Speaker 8 (30:50):
And there's probably a little pushback. Well, Kobe's Kobe at
eighty one. We don't want anybody topping that. Obviously, Kobe
very well loved, you know, merch just an awesome human
being and career. And it's like, I don't people aren't
really in on Bam. He's like a center scoring eighty
three points, but shooting he's got twenty two to three pointers.
Speaker 3 (31:08):
Collin.
Speaker 7 (31:09):
Is that that's a little goofy?
Speaker 4 (31:11):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (31:12):
Yeah, I mean I think the stat line that's amazing
is he had thirty one points in the first quarter. Now,
I don't know if that's an all time record, it's
gotta be close. That is a ton of points. That's
basically that's a big night for Luca.
Speaker 8 (31:31):
In twelve minutes for Lucas scored I think seventy or
seventy one in a game.
Speaker 7 (31:36):
Devin Booker had over seventy eight.
Speaker 1 (31:38):
Emple Re scored seventy one in a game. I guarantee
you he didn't play a lick of defense. Nobody cared, Hey.
Speaker 8 (31:45):
Settle down bashing Luca. Somebody stepped up their defense with
Lebron out. I don't know if it was Luca, Reeves, Jackson, Hayes, Ruyatchimoa.
Lakers are playing defense against the Knicks and the Wolves
might be Luca. And by the way, now that we
know Luca's going through some stuff off the court, fam related,
I'm sure you saw that story, like, hey, maybe we
should settle down bashing him for yelling at the refs.
(32:05):
You know, dude, he got stuff going on at home.
You don't know he's taking it out on the riffs.
Speaker 5 (32:09):
He's been yelling at the refs from his first day
in the league.
Speaker 1 (32:13):
That's not a trouble at home now, I'm angry yelling
at the ref situation. I always think, like to me,
arguing with the refs is just it now is a
time consuming.
Speaker 5 (32:24):
It's energy sapping.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
Like anytime you argue with anybody, it's it's energy sapping.
It's like, Luca, you barely have enough energy to play defense?
Speaker 5 (32:33):
What are you talking?
Speaker 1 (32:33):
I mean, to be one thing, if he was a
Michael Jordan could sometimes bark at the refs. But Jordan
was relentless. He'd play eighteen holes of golf. He was
great offensively, he was great defense. I mean, Michael had
weird energy, like beyond even like a great athlete energy.
I remember years ago when he played baseball and he
was in the South, like Birmingham, and he's wearing one
(32:55):
of those jackets in the South, taking bratting practice until
he had blisters on his hand because he was trying
and he had he had one of those dark jackets
on to lose weight. And I'm like, I couldn't be
outside for five minutes and it was ninety in the heat,
It's Alabama, and he's out there taking wax. So you know,
Jordan is one of those guys where you got it
(33:19):
on both ends. So I don't have a problem barking
at res. Luca plays no defense. It's like, bro, save
the very limited extra energy you have when you don't
have the ball to you know, man, A guy up.
All right, we're done, Albert Breer, thank you for stopping by.
Robert or as well. I've been reading the you know,
(33:39):
some of the free agents stuff today. It's backups, it's
rotational guys. It's a third corner, a second guard that
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