April 8, 2026 • 29 mins
Colin talks more about the NFL Draft including some of the best picks at certain positions, red flags in the draft, and which player has the highest ceiling
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
I have my mock draft tomorrow. I just turn it
in to the guys. I had to consult with some people.
I just love. The draft is so much fun. Well,
the average twenty points a game in the NBA was
an All Star, played eleven years with Milwaukee. I think
in the end he may have gone to Phoenix, you know,
warmed up a little bit. The former Buck guy probably
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pains him to watch Michigan win and Natty Michael red
is joining us live in the Herd. That probably was
just a tad painful, just a little painful.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
And I got calls that night, obviously from Michigan fans
and friends. So yeah, I mean the rival spills over
to basketball obviously in all things.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
The It's interesting. We were talking earlier about Jack Sellnenburg
and I said, Okay, the guy didn't play high school.
He didn't play high school basketball till his senior year.
Everybody tells me he's old. He is. I mean the
fact that he just started playing at like seventeen or
eighteen and he's this good. I'm like, I don't care
that he's older. I don't care that he doesn't have hops.
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Like that's incredible. I think the NBA, Michael, you were
built for today's NBA. To be honest with you, you were
perfect smart, spacing, speed, shooting, scheme fit. Honestly, I could
argue you got to the NBA about six years too soon.
When you watch Jaxell, I know he was a Wolverine.
I think he works in today's league, do you totally?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Totally?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I watched him intently, you know, throughout the season. To
your point, he's really in basketball year is still an adolescence.
He's a baby right in basketball term. So the sky
is still the limit for him and he's going to
Conteine to improve. I thought he had a terrific year
this year. Michigan clearly the best team in the country
throughout the year along Arizona, but clearly Michigan was the best,
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and they proved it in the championship game, and I
think that the trend from here on out is obviously
continuing to have older teams do well in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, in basketball and football.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yep, that's what Indiana did in football.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I got to tell you, I remember a year ago
when Cooper Flag came out. I said, listen, he's not
going to be as good as Jason Tatum first year playing,
not second. I said, but he is so aggressive, I
said he is, and I said, I love Tatum. Sometimes
with Jason, I feel like Jalen Brown's like Namo run it,
and you know Kobe wouldn't allow that. Michael wouldn't bird like.
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There is something to be said about sometimes being almost
obnoxious in wanting the ball, and that's not Jason's personality.
Cooper Flag is a dog. I can't believe how good
he is as a teenager. I do think his ceiling
is Tatum plus. Does that sound ridiculous to you?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And put emphasis on plus? I really do.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I watched him again this year, and obviously the height
from high school to college was there, but to watch
him at this level do what he's done has been
nothing short of impressive. I think he has an edge
to him to your point, a dog, he's competitive, his
IQ is underrated. Really smart basketball player is his ability
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to read the game is unusual for a nineteen year
old and to have ninety nine points or ninety points
in two games, it's historic. So I think give credit
to coach Kid as well for how he's using this
year as well.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So I you know, it's interesting with the Lakers, I
had said on the show, Mike I said, sometimes you
need a really bad day at work. It creates clarity, like,
you know, because we all want to believe we're doing
great and some days just a disaster at work and
you're like, yeah, I'm not quite there yet. The Lakers
going to KC. The injuries stink, but the fact they
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couldn't compete for three minutes and you're like, you knew
Okac with Luca coming into towns like now this one
counts that we're gonn And I said, that's actually great
for the new Laker owners, Like, guys, you need about
four Jaden McDaniels three and D's catch and shoot, you're
not close. You're old and unathletic. A lot of people
are talking about they have a chance going forward to
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go get another great player. So let's take Len Lebron
out of the equation, because my guess is, unless he
takes the pay cut, he's gone. What would you surround
Luca and Austin Reeves with if if you ran the team, Like, like,
what do you think they need? Because it is an
attractive market still now they have second rich Stoners in basketball.
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What's attractive do you around Luca?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I think size for sure, athletic size. Luca thrives off
lobs with beats, right, but also defensively, someone who can
protect those two when.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
They're beat off the dribble.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Not that they can't get better defensively, but I think
you said it best three and D guys younger.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's an important factor.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Getting younger, right, So you look at the model of
what OKC has done, You look at the model of
what san Antonio has done right kind of shaping and
forming their roster and to that elk and so for me,
you've got two stars, take the run out of it.
To your point, you've got two stars and Austin Leaves
and Luca. Now surround them with guys who can defend
at a high level, that have length and who are young.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, all right, let's get into the the ugly stuff. Milwaukee.
You played eleven years there. You love Milwaukee. The other
day when Lebron threw shade at Akron, Memphis and Milwaukee,
I was like, Bro, you can throw shade where you want.
He actually spent you know, five and a half billion
dollars downtown. It's actually beautiful now, it's really nice. The
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honest thing's a mess. Schams. I read this Sham story.
Apparently it's been a mess for years. Shams has tried
to be go private with it, like I'm ready to move,
Let's start with this. Who messed up? Who do we blame?
Where's the where's the finger get pointed here?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I mean blame is strong language, but I will say
there's two stories, right, and two sides. You have Milwaukee's
perspective and you have Giannis's perspective. This could have ended amicably. Unfortunately,
I don't think it will. And from my perspective, I
think you look at what the Gianis has brought to Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Brought him a championship.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Obviously, with Drew Holliday and Chris Middleton hadn't had one
since Cream Right obviously hadn't played there.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I know how challenging it was to win in.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Milwaukee, but Milwaukee provided a platform believing honest and y'all
has becomes an international superstar. So in my opinion, both
parties win out of the situation, and it may be
time for both parties to part ways going forward and
just move on and not let this to be too
nasty of the ending. You honest is will have his
jersey retired. He's going to have all the love and
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adulation from the city. It's just time to move on
and make it more peaceful than it has to be,
then make it more nasty.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Where would you like to see him go? Where does
he fit well?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I know he wants to win, right, so obviously Golden
State is a desired place. Obviously playing with Steph and
that team up there, I think you look at New York.
Obviously there's been some speculation that he wants to play
in New York. How does he get there? What moves
me to be made? I don't know, but I think
he would be content with going with the winner. Does
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he move to the West coast? Does he move to
the East coast?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Right?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Is it more easier of a road in the east
in the West things are that he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Have to consider.
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I think New York fits because Jalen Brunson. You got
your quarterback, and Jalen can also shoot mid range and beyond.
You'd have to give up og bridges, you have to
give up a lot, But I think you know it's
closer to grease that matters. New York's our most global city.
(08:54):
I kind of feel like it'd be one thing if
he played at Miami, which is Cosmopoulo. But I think
one of the and this is not a knock on Milwaukee,
I think one of the feelings is Milwaukee's not global.
I remember years ago Chicago tried to get the Olympics,
and I remember reading a story. They're like, well, Chicago's
not global, It's just our best domestic city. I was like, oh, okay,
(09:16):
And I think I remember reading that story. So I
can see him going Okay, I like Milwaukee, but I
need a bigger stage, and that to me feels like
New York. Does it not?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Is the biggest stage and his play resembles the city. Right.
He's as tough as now?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Is the question going forward with Giannis is as he
continues up in age, will he be able to avoid injuries?
He's been injury played over the last four or five years, right,
Still young enough obviously, but that half Achilles area right,
has been playing him different knickknack injuries. Right, So I
think him being healthy in a New York roster.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I don't know who they give up to your point,
but it fits the dynamic of that city and that
culture in New York.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So when I was a kid, the NBA draft, I
swear to God, had like seven rounds or something. Now
it's got two. You were a second round pick, Draymond was,
jokicch was. I watch college basketball. I watch in the NBA.
Now it is so international. I watch college basketball. Well,
the NIL they're buying all the European players. Go back
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to your I just this is just instructive for me.
Go back to your rookie year in the NBA. It
was still very much a domestic league. Who was the
best Euro in the NBA? Who is the best non?
I mean because a team played in the States right
at Houston. Who is the best Euro in the NBA?
Your first year in the league, do you remember, Well.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You look at Dirk.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Probably Dirk was ascending at that time in two thousand
and two thousand and one. Obviously continue to ascend, But
I would say, Dirk, you look at the bonus coming
from coy Yeah, Portland, right, most skilled at that time. Probably,
So you look at those two guys who are the
prototype of what we see now twenty five years earlier.
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So those two guys when I came into the league
probably stood out the most at that time.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Why do you think the last six or seven MVPs
non domestic. What do you think has happened. I don't
think it's necessarily a problem. I think it's a reality.
But what I mean, the European players are the top
of the league. Do you have a guess?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Why? What do you hear?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I think the developmental system over in Europe works wells
proven itself. I think when you have so many games
played in the AAU level high school level, right, kids
tend to burn out or be injured more injury prone.
We've seen that with Zion, We've seen that with Jah
over the last couple of years. They were the next
wave of American stars. Injuries that played them. I think
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that stands back to playing so many games in high
school through AAU. Europe has a tendency to work on development.
I think in America we need to make sure that
we hone in more on development. I have an AAU
program myself, but we more we practice more than we
play actually, and we work on the fundamentals of the game.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The Europeans have seemed to master that.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And but I think there's another wave shifting towards America
again with Cooper Flag obviously, and then this rookie class
that's coming in, I think you got some real potential
stars coming in.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I mean, Contin Nipple was a nice player at Duke.
I'm like, what, Wow, that's surprising. You know, it's funny
you were a second round guy. You popped pretty early
in your career. If I recall year two or three,
did you know as we get ready for the draft,
how long did it take? Can you get drafted second round?
Ohio State? How many practices? Maybe it was a combine.
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When did you know, Oh, no, bro, I'm going to
score in this league. Like I'm not going to make
the league. I'm going to be an all star in
this league. Did you know opening camp?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I knew in high school.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I knew at high school my core competency was to
be able to score a basketball high level that travels
with you at every level.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So it showed itself obviously in college.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I think I averaged the same amount of points in
college that I did in the NBA. So ironically, so
I knew from the day one I got to training
camp my rookie year that I can play at this
level and play in this league. And you almost have
to be delusional about who you are right, And I
think for me, I had veterans who encouraged my.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Game, but I was there. They encouraged me a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
But I knew that I belonged there, and so if
you don't feel that way, you probably don't belong there.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, you look great, Michael. Twelve years in the NBA,
got your AA. What's your AU? Team called.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Mr twenty two Elite and we are on the Adidas
side of things, And all I do this time of
the year is pouring to these young men and we
try to develop them holistically beyond even the court, wanting
to be solid citizens as long as as well as
great players. And so it's been fun, but we do
bore them with a lot of developmental work in our practices.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well that's why I bring on the show. Smart guy.
Great seeing you, Michael.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Listen you too, sir.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
All right, Michael read Olympic gold medal in Beijing. Just
a quality dude. Yeah, it's I like his approach to
AU And I think I asked him that question and
I kind of knew the answer, but I wanted him
to say it, which is and this is the knock.
Steve Kerrs said, you know a lot of the AAAU
is getting I think better when you get the quality
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people in it. But you know, the system in Europe
at about a ten twelve year run where it was
just superior to our system. And you see what's happening.
Although I will say Conkin Eple and Michael Cooper Flagg
are Wow and this draft's going to have eight to
twelve more Wow's domestic players. John Middelkoff with the News, Turn.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
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Speaker 6 (14:56):
Well, speaking of AAU, I would imagine Cooper Flag didn't
have troubles on that circuit. He continues to dominate the league.
He had an unreal dunk last night. Things have flipped now, Colin.
In the Rookie of the Year odds, it was Conk Nipple,
But over the last three or four games, Cooper Cup
has looked like the white Michael Jordan here, what do
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you think?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Is this thing a rap?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Now?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Is just Cooper Flag gonna win?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, I mean Flag's game is different. Ken Nipple's a
really good shooter. He's a really good player. When you
watch the two and I think they're both gonna age. Well,
Cooper Flag is just more dimensional. He can just do
more stuff. I think he's a better player. I think
con K Nipple can make an All Star team. He's
a very, very good player. And it's awesome that, you know,
Charlotte now has kind of got the ball rolling like
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they're kind of interesting. I think Cooper Flag is different.
There's a difference between all NBA and making an All
Star Game. I think Cooper Flag is All NBA seven times,
that kind of player.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You know, when I look at those two guys, and
obviously we just had the NCAA Tournament. I know john
Shire they lost on that devastation, you know, basically thirty
foot shot to not win a championship with those two players,
I mean Cooper Cup could win MVPs and Konk Nipple,
I mean, is there a chance he's a seven eight
time All Star. I mean that's that's and they had
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a lead in the final four against Houston.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
That one could hurt just.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
As bad as the crazy shot against Yukon for john Shire.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, It's it's hard though, because you know, at Duke,
because they recruit at such a high level. You say, oh,
Duke blew that lead with Yukon, Well, they got a
bunch of eighteen year olds and Yukon's got a bunch
of men. The only downside to be in Duke is
that you're It's like when mkaali Pari was at Kentucky.
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Your whole rosters freshman. You may have one junior and
he's like a late second round pick, and so it's
hard for me to I thought I didn't like the
loss to Yukon. I didn't get again, I guess they
practice it when they inbounds the ball, like, dude, just
hold the ball, don't try to pass it. Hold the ball.
But it's in real time and the player makes a mistake,
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it's a turnover. But it's hard to crush Duke because
what's happening in college football and basketball. Everybody's leaning into
age and Duke's like Arizona, by the way, same thing. Well,
Duke and Arizona can get five star guys that play immediately.
You get one year with them. Are you supposed to
not recruit them if you can get them?
Speaker 6 (17:24):
You think there are some similarities with Flag and Grant
Hill thirty plus years ago. I mean it was pretty
clear right away, you're like, whoa now Grant Hill would
I think was there for four years, But Flag immediately.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
They look like an all around you know.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Start the league. Rookies to average twenty one six rebounds
and four assists since the NBA merger, Bird, Michael Luca.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And Flag decent list.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Okay to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
The NFC North has become obviously one of the toughest
divisions top to bottom in the NFL with success Now
of the Bears entering this season, there's an NFL analyst
who believes that Dan Campbell and Kevin O'Connell are entering
the year somewhat on the hot seat and could be
looking over their shoulder when the season starts.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Colin that one for me.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Kevin O'Connell would get a job yesterday, and Dan Campbell
most jobs that open are dumpster fuyers. He would get
hired immediately too, because he resurrected the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I think they're both pretty safe.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'm trying to think. I think, Brian Schottenheimer, you got
to keep your eye on Aaron Glenn obviously. I mean,
Aaron Glenn's the obvious one. He could It just doesn't
work at all. Maybeing a defensive coach and you didn't
Garner a single interception on the year, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Well, to me, if Dan Campbell became available, which I
don't necessarily see, he got very quickly. I think the
Jets would be the Cowboys he played there, you know,
he would make some sense.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Taylor, You've got to get Joe Burrow to the playoffs
this year. Aaron Glenn, Zach Taylor, Brian Schottenheimer a little bit.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
I think the Cowboys are gonna be good. I mean,
I see ten wins for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I do.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Their offense is fantastic. I think Dak has He's really
become a solid player, oh absolutely, you know, and Schottenheimer's
a good play caller.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Their defense was just atrocious last year.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Yeah, okay, last but not least we had, I mean,
just a great baseball brawl you had, guys.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
You know the story here, Colin is so Laiir owns
this pitcher.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
He's gone fourteen for twenty three with five home runs
and three doubles in his career. He had a two
run home run in the first inning, so then he
got plunked in the you know, his next a B
and then he got up and in in his third
a B so this thing's been brewing anytime in baseball,
you know, somewhat still the unwritten rules about showing someone
up when you had some ownage over him. But I
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kind of agree with so laiir here, just because I
only strike me out or walk me or something you
can't throw at me.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, that was that's pretty intense. You know, you don't baseball.
I mean this guy this is you know, that's pretty intentional.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
You have a favorite baseball fight at that time.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Apparently they were teammates in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Watch, I think Walt Weiss comes out and makes a
tackle here at the manager. You know, the baseball I'm
a sucker for some of like the the Will Clark eighties.
If you just go to YouTube and watch eighties brawls,
it kind of looks like what Dana White's running.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
We don't get these as often as we used to
do it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, God, I remember, I can remember, and folks look
this up. This is thirty or five years of memory.
I remember in Atlanta braves. I think it's Podres brawl
in Atlanta. Yeah, that poured into the I swear to god,
the braves are in it. I is it giant.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I think it's the Padres because Bruce Bochi was a
backup catcher on that team, and I think he was
kind of roaming around them.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
It is an all don't they go into the oh,
the stands.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Braves Podres. Go back Google YouTube it and see if
it shows up. I'm just going on memory. I just
remember it being insane. It looked like if pro wrestling
was real. It was just spilling out into the like
almost felt almost Dugout's crowd. Whatever.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
One of my favorites is probably less than ten years ago,
Bryce Harper and the Giants. A guy named Hunter Strickland
threw at Harper and Harper just here it is Harper
just had enough and he misses with the helmet.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Not not a great helmet throw.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
But then we have just a crazy collision coming up,
because often the first basement and third baseman you.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Know, come flying in like safeties.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
In the collision here, I think the first baseman gets
knocked out and Harper just had enough.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I love Bryce Harper. Same John Middlecoff with the news,
Well that's the.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
News, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So it was way to go. Nineteen eighty four, Memory
still intact. Hey, that switch never turns off Padre's braves.
In Atlanta, it was called the Bean Brawl, and I
know my staff will find the video next segment. It
was brutal. Even the pictures there's still photos of it,
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were like, yeah, that's not great, good stuff.
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Speaker 1 (22:39):
So a couple hours ago, we had Dan brugleron. He
works at the Athletic and he has something called the Beast,
which a couple of weeks before the Draft every year
he unveils and it's really great receivers, ed rushers. I mean,
it tells you every position, and if you love the draft,
it's just like a bible and you just go to
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it and we wait for it every year. We brought
him on today. The really interesting one is there's a
bunch of good edge rushers. Ruben Bain at Miami could
end up being as good as any of them, but
his measurements are noticeably kind of red flag. David Bailey
may have a lower ceiling. I like him a lot,
plug and play. Rvel Reese is considered to have the
(23:21):
highest ceiling, but he doesn't have a singular position yet
and I don't trust him with the Jets. Last hour,
he talked about the Bailey Reese debate with a number
two pick by New.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
York I think it's fair to say it's close. I mean, yeah,
you can't ignore what Bailey did this year. I wouldn't
say that he's necessarily the most complete defensive end where
I'm going to put that quote unquote safe label on him.
But if you want a guy that can just scream
off the edge and gonna put pressure on the quarterback,
Bailey can absolutely do that. But in my opinion, Rvel
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Reese is the best player in this draft. And I
get there's some worries about, Okay, is he in between positions?
But I think there's a big difference between being a
hybrid and being a tweener, and I think Reese is
very much a hybrid player compared to being a tweener.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
And the other thing about the draft that is great
is that this draft always gives you there's going to
be somebody drafted in the fifth round that's a really
good player. I mean George Kittle. Fifth round. Niners have
a couple of six to seventh round guys that Jennings
and brock Perty And now I think a guy that
could be a star in the league, Like and I'm
(24:30):
I'm not going to give the camp being Antonio Brown
because I don't Antonio's got so many things going on.
But the kid, the Chrispell, the receiver at Louisville. I
was reading draft preview months ago and then I started
googling him and I was like, whoa what? And then
he he was great against Miami. So if you told
me who's the dark horse in the draft, who's going
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to go on the third round potentially, and you're gonna
look up and he's a pro bowler, I think it's
this guy on the TV screen and Dane talked about.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Him, Miami about Chris Bell, and they'll tell you best
receiver they faced this year. He would be a first
round player if not for the ACL. Had the ACL
late in the year in November, so a little bit
of a discount sticker on his tag. But no, I'm
with you. I'm even going back to the summer. He
was my number two receiver coming into the year. Big physical,
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the accelerations outstanding. But I think that once you get
to the second round, there's gonna be more than a
few teams looking at Chris Bell and saying, Okay, this
is maybe that guy we're missing, because yeah, he can
take a slant and take it the rest of the way.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Just YouTube it and watch the game against Miami. It's
an interesting draft in terms of receivers. We have it
on the screen here taits and obvious number one that
anybody knows that Lemon Jordan Tyson's banged up, but he's good.
Casey CONCEPTI on again and m guy. I think Omar Cooper.
I've thought about this. If you're if you're the Raiders,
mendo's a number one pick, they have a second round pick.
(25:54):
They thought they had another number one with the Max
Crosby deal, and then that got rescinded, and so you're
you're And because A Cooper is one of those bubble guys,
somewhere from twenty seven to the third pick, are the
Raiders top of the second round. Yet, let's check that.
I could see the Raiders saying, listen, we need a
receiver anyway, Let's just go get Fernando Minoza, his favorite
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receiver at Indiana, and Cooper's really good. Cooper's going to
be a starter day one in the league. He's a
really good player. It just does everything pretty well sideline.
You can put them in a slot. He's just a
really good player. Yeah, Raiders have the thirty sixth pick,
so that I'm really interested to see. With the Raiders
first pick, it's the quarterback, and what do they do
with the second pick? They need a right tackle. They
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have one, but I do you want upgrade? I could
see them moving up a little bit like after the
first round. Everybody the night that night you get on
the phone and the Raiders move up to the first
pick of the second round. And if somebody a you know,
they've got three fourths. I could see the Raiders doing
that and saying, let's just get Fernando Mendoz. They already
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went and got a couple of nice receivers, one from
the Vikings their number three receiver. But that, to me,
that's interesting. The you know, John, when you were working
in the NFL. UH two weeks out from the draft.
Did the Eagles have it all lined up? Knew what
they were doing?
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I think you're kind of in the UH.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I would say the home stretch maybe like the seventh inning, seventh,
But you're working, you know every day, meetings start eight,
You're there eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Really kind of
honing the board. I think by the time you get
to the middle of next week, everyone's maybe early next week,
but this is a big week because all the coaches
have watched all the players.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
They're coming in with some takes. Colin.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
I mean they you know, they got their buddies. You
know what Lincoln Riley called me, you know start called me, or.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
It's not even that.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Sometimes it's the position coach, the court because all these
coaches know the other coaches and they got opinions and
depending like you, we talked about all day.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Well a lot of.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
These organizations, who has the juice the head coach, well,
who do they listen to? Sometimes their position coaches and coordinators.
So this is boards can change dramatically right now. The
GMS have been working on this for a year and
you got the linebacker coach flying in all of a sudden,
a fourth round kid makes his way up to the
second round, and you get some you get some big swings,
big late swings.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Here's so here's the top of the second round. So
you're the Raiders and you have for Nando Mendoza. And
you know what did Ben Johnson do when he got
to the Bears? Help his young quarterback? Help my guy?
So I mean, what did the Washington do year two?
Get him debo? So you know they want to help
Nano Mendoza. So you know the offensive coach, Clint Kubiak
helps the quarterback. So the Jets have two first round picks.
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I could see Aaron Glenn banging the table for defensive
guys and the first round where the Jets pick one
through sixteen, a lot of good defensive players, more defensive players.
So I could see the Jets at thirty three wanting
a receiver and the Titans at thirty five, who get
Rvel Reese in the first round, wanting a receiver. So
if you're the Raiders at thirty six, you have to
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win the first round. Ends, buy somebody a bottle of wine.
Let's go, let's go chat and have a couple of
apps down down the street. Because the Raiders to get Cooper,
who I think would be a great pick, I think
the Raiders would have to move up, probably have to
give up a fourth, a fifth, something like that. That
to me is an interesting one because I do think
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the way to do it when you have a young quarterback,
get an offensive coach preferably or a whiz kid at coordinator,
protect him and get him a weapon. And he's really
good with Cooper.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
All right, I can't wait two weeks. As of tomorrow,
I'll unveil my mock draft. I've already sent it to
friends and a lot of eye rolls coming back. Yeah, okay, sure,
masters this weekend too,
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
I have my mock draft tomorrow. I just turn it
in to the guys. I had to consult with some people.
I just love. The draft is so much fun. Well,
the average twenty points a game in the NBA was
an All Star, played eleven years with Milwaukee. I think
in the end he may have gone to Phoenix, you know,
warmed up a little bit. The former Buck guy probably
(00:46):
pains him to watch Michigan win and Natty Michael red
is joining us live in the Herd. That probably was
just a tad painful, just a little painful.
Speaker 3 (00:55):
Yeah it was.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
And I got calls that night, obviously from Michigan fans
and friends. So yeah, I mean the rival spills over
to basketball obviously in all things.
Speaker 1 (01:09):
The It's interesting. We were talking earlier about Jack Sellnenburg
and I said, Okay, the guy didn't play high school.
He didn't play high school basketball till his senior year.
Everybody tells me he's old. He is. I mean the
fact that he just started playing at like seventeen or
eighteen and he's this good. I'm like, I don't care
that he's older. I don't care that he doesn't have hops.
(01:31):
Like that's incredible. I think the NBA, Michael, you were
built for today's NBA. To be honest with you, you were
perfect smart, spacing, speed, shooting, scheme fit. Honestly, I could
argue you got to the NBA about six years too soon.
When you watch Jaxell, I know he was a Wolverine.
I think he works in today's league, do you totally?
Speaker 3 (01:55):
Totally?
Speaker 4 (01:55):
I watched him intently, you know, throughout the season. To
your point, he's really in basketball year is still an adolescence.
He's a baby right in basketball term. So the sky
is still the limit for him and he's going to
Conteine to improve. I thought he had a terrific year
this year. Michigan clearly the best team in the country
throughout the year along Arizona, but clearly Michigan was the best,
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and they proved it in the championship game, and I
think that the trend from here on out is obviously
continuing to have older teams do well in the tournament.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Yeah, in basketball and football.
Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yep, that's what Indiana did in football.
Speaker 4 (02:33):
You know.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
I got to tell you, I remember a year ago
when Cooper Flag came out. I said, listen, he's not
going to be as good as Jason Tatum first year playing,
not second. I said, but he is so aggressive, I
said he is, and I said, I love Tatum. Sometimes
with Jason, I feel like Jalen Brown's like Namo run it,
and you know Kobe wouldn't allow that. Michael wouldn't bird like.
(02:53):
There is something to be said about sometimes being almost
obnoxious in wanting the ball, and that's not Jason's personality.
Cooper Flag is a dog. I can't believe how good
he is as a teenager. I do think his ceiling
is Tatum plus. Does that sound ridiculous to you?
Speaker 3 (03:14):
And put emphasis on plus? I really do.
Speaker 4 (03:18):
I watched him again this year, and obviously the height
from high school to college was there, but to watch
him at this level do what he's done has been
nothing short of impressive. I think he has an edge
to him to your point, a dog, he's competitive, his
IQ is underrated. Really smart basketball player is his ability
(03:40):
to read the game is unusual for a nineteen year
old and to have ninety nine points or ninety points
in two games, it's historic. So I think give credit
to coach Kid as well for how he's using this
year as well.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
So I you know, it's interesting with the Lakers, I
had said on the show, Mike I said, sometimes you
need a really bad day at work. It creates clarity, like,
you know, because we all want to believe we're doing
great and some days just a disaster at work and
you're like, yeah, I'm not quite there yet. The Lakers
going to KC. The injuries stink, but the fact they
(04:16):
couldn't compete for three minutes and you're like, you knew
Okac with Luca coming into towns like now this one
counts that we're gonn And I said, that's actually great
for the new Laker owners, Like, guys, you need about
four Jaden McDaniels three and D's catch and shoot, you're
not close. You're old and unathletic. A lot of people
are talking about they have a chance going forward to
(04:39):
go get another great player. So let's take Len Lebron
out of the equation, because my guess is, unless he
takes the pay cut, he's gone. What would you surround
Luca and Austin Reeves with if if you ran the team, Like, like,
what do you think they need? Because it is an
attractive market still now they have second rich Stoners in basketball.
(05:01):
What's attractive do you around Luca?
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Well?
Speaker 4 (05:04):
I think size for sure, athletic size. Luca thrives off
lobs with beats, right, but also defensively, someone who can
protect those two when.
Speaker 3 (05:15):
They're beat off the dribble.
Speaker 4 (05:16):
Not that they can't get better defensively, but I think
you said it best three and D guys younger.
Speaker 3 (05:22):
That's an important factor.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
Getting younger, right, So you look at the model of
what OKC has done, You look at the model of
what san Antonio has done right kind of shaping and
forming their roster and to that elk and so for me,
you've got two stars, take the run out of it.
To your point, you've got two stars and Austin Leaves
and Luca. Now surround them with guys who can defend
at a high level, that have length and who are young.
Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yeah, all right, let's get into the the ugly stuff. Milwaukee.
You played eleven years there. You love Milwaukee. The other
day when Lebron threw shade at Akron, Memphis and Milwaukee,
I was like, Bro, you can throw shade where you want.
He actually spent you know, five and a half billion
dollars downtown. It's actually beautiful now, it's really nice. The
(06:07):
honest thing's a mess. Schams. I read this Sham story.
Apparently it's been a mess for years. Shams has tried
to be go private with it, like I'm ready to move,
Let's start with this. Who messed up? Who do we blame?
Where's the where's the finger get pointed here?
Speaker 3 (06:28):
Wow?
Speaker 4 (06:28):
I mean blame is strong language, but I will say
there's two stories, right, and two sides. You have Milwaukee's
perspective and you have Giannis's perspective. This could have ended amicably. Unfortunately,
I don't think it will. And from my perspective, I
think you look at what the Gianis has brought to Milwaukee.
Speaker 3 (06:47):
Brought him a championship.
Speaker 4 (06:48):
Obviously, with Drew Holliday and Chris Middleton hadn't had one
since Cream Right obviously hadn't played there.
Speaker 3 (06:53):
I know how challenging it was to win in.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Milwaukee, but Milwaukee provided a platform believing honest and y'all
has becomes an international superstar. So in my opinion, both
parties win out of the situation, and it may be
time for both parties to part ways going forward and
just move on and not let this to be too
nasty of the ending. You honest is will have his
jersey retired. He's going to have all the love and
(07:17):
adulation from the city. It's just time to move on
and make it more peaceful than it has to be,
then make it more nasty.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
Where would you like to see him go? Where does
he fit well?
Speaker 4 (07:28):
I know he wants to win, right, so obviously Golden
State is a desired place. Obviously playing with Steph and
that team up there, I think you look at New York.
Obviously there's been some speculation that he wants to play
in New York. How does he get there? What moves
me to be made? I don't know, but I think
he would be content with going with the winner. Does
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he move to the West coast? Does he move to
the East coast?
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Right?
Speaker 4 (07:51):
Is it more easier of a road in the east
in the West things are that he's gonna.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Have to consider.
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I think New York fits because Jalen Brunson. You got
your quarterback, and Jalen can also shoot mid range and beyond.
You'd have to give up og bridges, you have to
give up a lot, But I think you know it's
closer to grease that matters. New York's our most global city.
(08:54):
I kind of feel like it'd be one thing if
he played at Miami, which is Cosmopoulo. But I think
one of the and this is not a knock on Milwaukee,
I think one of the feelings is Milwaukee's not global.
I remember years ago Chicago tried to get the Olympics,
and I remember reading a story. They're like, well, Chicago's
not global, It's just our best domestic city. I was like, oh, okay,
(09:16):
And I think I remember reading that story. So I
can see him going Okay, I like Milwaukee, but I
need a bigger stage, and that to me feels like
New York. Does it not?
Speaker 3 (09:27):
Is the biggest stage and his play resembles the city. Right.
He's as tough as now?
Speaker 4 (09:33):
Is the question going forward with Giannis is as he
continues up in age, will he be able to avoid injuries?
He's been injury played over the last four or five years, right,
Still young enough obviously, but that half Achilles area right,
has been playing him different knickknack injuries. Right, So I
think him being healthy in a New York roster.
Speaker 3 (09:53):
Right.
Speaker 4 (09:53):
I don't know who they give up to your point,
but it fits the dynamic of that city and that
culture in New York.
Speaker 3 (10:00):
I agree with you on that.
Speaker 1 (10:01):
So when I was a kid, the NBA draft, I
swear to God, had like seven rounds or something. Now
it's got two. You were a second round pick, Draymond was,
jokicch was. I watch college basketball. I watch in the NBA.
Now it is so international. I watch college basketball. Well,
the NIL they're buying all the European players. Go back
(10:23):
to your I just this is just instructive for me.
Go back to your rookie year in the NBA. It
was still very much a domestic league. Who was the
best Euro in the NBA? Who is the best non?
I mean because a team played in the States right
at Houston. Who is the best Euro in the NBA?
Your first year in the league, do you remember, Well.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
You look at Dirk.
Speaker 4 (10:47):
Probably Dirk was ascending at that time in two thousand
and two thousand and one. Obviously continue to ascend, But
I would say, Dirk, you look at the bonus coming
from coy Yeah, Portland, right, most skilled at that time. Probably,
So you look at those two guys who are the
prototype of what we see now twenty five years earlier.
(11:10):
So those two guys when I came into the league
probably stood out the most at that time.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
Why do you think the last six or seven MVPs
non domestic. What do you think has happened. I don't
think it's necessarily a problem. I think it's a reality.
But what I mean, the European players are the top
of the league. Do you have a guess?
Speaker 3 (11:27):
Why? What do you hear?
Speaker 1 (11:28):
What do you think?
Speaker 4 (11:29):
I think the developmental system over in Europe works wells
proven itself. I think when you have so many games
played in the AAU level high school level, right, kids
tend to burn out or be injured more injury prone.
We've seen that with Zion, We've seen that with Jah
over the last couple of years. They were the next
wave of American stars. Injuries that played them. I think
(11:50):
that stands back to playing so many games in high
school through AAU. Europe has a tendency to work on development.
I think in America we need to make sure that
we hone in more on development. I have an AAU
program myself, but we more we practice more than we
play actually, and we work on the fundamentals of the game.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
The Europeans have seemed to master that.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
And but I think there's another wave shifting towards America
again with Cooper Flag obviously, and then this rookie class
that's coming in, I think you got some real potential
stars coming in.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
I mean, Contin Nipple was a nice player at Duke.
I'm like, what, Wow, that's surprising. You know, it's funny
you were a second round guy. You popped pretty early
in your career. If I recall year two or three,
did you know as we get ready for the draft,
how long did it take? Can you get drafted second round?
Ohio State? How many practices? Maybe it was a combine.
(12:42):
When did you know, Oh, no, bro, I'm going to
score in this league. Like I'm not going to make
the league. I'm going to be an all star in
this league. Did you know opening camp?
Speaker 3 (12:53):
I knew in high school.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
I knew at high school my core competency was to
be able to score a basketball high level that travels
with you at every level.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
So it showed itself obviously in college.
Speaker 4 (13:06):
I think I averaged the same amount of points in
college that I did in the NBA. So ironically, so
I knew from the day one I got to training
camp my rookie year that I can play at this
level and play in this league. And you almost have
to be delusional about who you are right, And I
think for me, I had veterans who encouraged my.
Speaker 3 (13:23):
Game, but I was there. They encouraged me a lot.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
But I knew that I belonged there, and so if
you don't feel that way, you probably don't belong there.
Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, you look great, Michael. Twelve years in the NBA,
got your AA. What's your AU? Team called.
Speaker 4 (13:39):
Mr twenty two Elite and we are on the Adidas
side of things, And all I do this time of
the year is pouring to these young men and we
try to develop them holistically beyond even the court, wanting
to be solid citizens as long as as well as
great players. And so it's been fun, but we do
bore them with a lot of developmental work in our practices.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Well that's why I bring on the show. Smart guy.
Great seeing you, Michael.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Listen you too, sir.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
All right, Michael read Olympic gold medal in Beijing. Just
a quality dude. Yeah, it's I like his approach to
AU And I think I asked him that question and
I kind of knew the answer, but I wanted him
to say it, which is and this is the knock.
Steve Kerrs said, you know a lot of the AAAU
is getting I think better when you get the quality
(14:26):
people in it. But you know, the system in Europe
at about a ten twelve year run where it was
just superior to our system. And you see what's happening.
Although I will say Conkin Eple and Michael Cooper Flagg
are Wow and this draft's going to have eight to
twelve more Wow's domestic players. John Middelkoff with the News, Turn.
Speaker 2 (14:53):
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Speaker 6 (14:56):
Well, speaking of AAU, I would imagine Cooper Flag didn't
have troubles on that circuit. He continues to dominate the league.
He had an unreal dunk last night. Things have flipped now, Colin.
In the Rookie of the Year odds, it was Conk Nipple,
But over the last three or four games, Cooper Cup
has looked like the white Michael Jordan here, what do
(15:18):
you think?
Speaker 5 (15:19):
Is this thing a rap?
Speaker 2 (15:20):
Now?
Speaker 5 (15:20):
Is just Cooper Flag gonna win?
Speaker 1 (15:21):
Well, I mean Flag's game is different. Ken Nipple's a
really good shooter. He's a really good player. When you
watch the two and I think they're both gonna age. Well,
Cooper Flag is just more dimensional. He can just do
more stuff. I think he's a better player. I think
con K Nipple can make an All Star team. He's
a very, very good player. And it's awesome that, you know,
Charlotte now has kind of got the ball rolling like
(15:42):
they're kind of interesting. I think Cooper Flag is different.
There's a difference between all NBA and making an All
Star Game. I think Cooper Flag is All NBA seven times,
that kind of player.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You know, when I look at those two guys, and
obviously we just had the NCAA Tournament. I know john
Shire they lost on that devastation, you know, basically thirty
foot shot to not win a championship with those two players,
I mean Cooper Cup could win MVPs and Konk Nipple,
I mean, is there a chance he's a seven eight
time All Star. I mean that's that's and they had
(16:14):
a lead in the final four against Houston.
Speaker 5 (16:16):
That one could hurt just.
Speaker 6 (16:18):
As bad as the crazy shot against Yukon for john Shire.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Yeah, It's it's hard though, because you know, at Duke,
because they recruit at such a high level. You say, oh,
Duke blew that lead with Yukon, Well, they got a
bunch of eighteen year olds and Yukon's got a bunch
of men. The only downside to be in Duke is
that you're It's like when mkaali Pari was at Kentucky.
(16:44):
Your whole rosters freshman. You may have one junior and
he's like a late second round pick, and so it's
hard for me to I thought I didn't like the
loss to Yukon. I didn't get again, I guess they
practice it when they inbounds the ball, like, dude, just
hold the ball, don't try to pass it. Hold the ball.
But it's in real time and the player makes a mistake,
(17:06):
it's a turnover. But it's hard to crush Duke because
what's happening in college football and basketball. Everybody's leaning into
age and Duke's like Arizona, by the way, same thing. Well,
Duke and Arizona can get five star guys that play immediately.
You get one year with them. Are you supposed to
not recruit them if you can get them?
Speaker 6 (17:24):
You think there are some similarities with Flag and Grant
Hill thirty plus years ago. I mean it was pretty
clear right away, you're like, whoa now Grant Hill would
I think was there for four years, But Flag immediately.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
They look like an all around you know.
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Start the league. Rookies to average twenty one six rebounds
and four assists since the NBA merger, Bird, Michael Luca.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
And Flag decent list.
Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, yeah, that's pretty impressive.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
Okay to the NFL.
Speaker 6 (17:51):
The NFC North has become obviously one of the toughest
divisions top to bottom in the NFL with success Now
of the Bears entering this season, there's an NFL analyst
who believes that Dan Campbell and Kevin O'Connell are entering
the year somewhat on the hot seat and could be
looking over their shoulder when the season starts.
Speaker 5 (18:10):
Colin that one for me.
Speaker 6 (18:12):
Kevin O'Connell would get a job yesterday, and Dan Campbell
most jobs that open are dumpster fuyers. He would get
hired immediately too, because he resurrected the Detroit Lions.
Speaker 5 (18:23):
I think they're both pretty safe.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
I'm trying to think. I think, Brian Schottenheimer, you got
to keep your eye on Aaron Glenn obviously. I mean,
Aaron Glenn's the obvious one. He could It just doesn't
work at all. Maybeing a defensive coach and you didn't
Garner a single interception on the year, that's ridiculous.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
Well, to me, if Dan Campbell became available, which I
don't necessarily see, he got very quickly. I think the
Jets would be the Cowboys he played there, you know,
he would make some sense.
Speaker 1 (18:52):
Taylor, You've got to get Joe Burrow to the playoffs
this year. Aaron Glenn, Zach Taylor, Brian Schottenheimer a little bit.
Speaker 6 (19:01):
I think the Cowboys are gonna be good. I mean,
I see ten wins for the Cowboys.
Speaker 5 (19:06):
I do.
Speaker 6 (19:07):
Their offense is fantastic. I think Dak has He's really
become a solid player, oh absolutely, you know, and Schottenheimer's
a good play caller.
Speaker 5 (19:15):
Their defense was just atrocious last year.
Speaker 6 (19:17):
Yeah, okay, last but not least we had, I mean,
just a great baseball brawl you had, guys.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
You know the story here, Colin is so Laiir owns
this pitcher.
Speaker 6 (19:28):
He's gone fourteen for twenty three with five home runs
and three doubles in his career. He had a two
run home run in the first inning, so then he
got plunked in the you know, his next a B
and then he got up and in in his third
a B so this thing's been brewing anytime in baseball,
you know, somewhat still the unwritten rules about showing someone
up when you had some ownage over him. But I
(19:49):
kind of agree with so laiir here, just because I
only strike me out or walk me or something you
can't throw at me.
Speaker 1 (19:55):
Yeah, that was that's pretty intense. You know, you don't baseball.
I mean this guy this is you know, that's pretty intentional.
Speaker 5 (20:06):
You have a favorite baseball fight at that time.
Speaker 1 (20:07):
Apparently they were teammates in Atlanta.
Speaker 4 (20:10):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (20:10):
Watch, I think Walt Weiss comes out and makes a
tackle here at the manager. You know, the baseball I'm
a sucker for some of like the the Will Clark eighties.
If you just go to YouTube and watch eighties brawls,
it kind of looks like what Dana White's running.
Speaker 1 (20:23):
Now.
Speaker 5 (20:24):
We don't get these as often as we used to
do it.
Speaker 1 (20:27):
No, God, I remember, I can remember, and folks look
this up. This is thirty or five years of memory.
I remember in Atlanta braves. I think it's Podres brawl
in Atlanta. Yeah, that poured into the I swear to god,
the braves are in it. I is it giant.
Speaker 6 (20:44):
I think it's the Padres because Bruce Bochi was a
backup catcher on that team, and I think he was
kind of roaming around them.
Speaker 5 (20:50):
It is an all don't they go into the oh,
the stands.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Braves Podres. Go back Google YouTube it and see if
it shows up. I'm just going on memory. I just
remember it being insane. It looked like if pro wrestling
was real. It was just spilling out into the like
almost felt almost Dugout's crowd. Whatever.
Speaker 6 (21:11):
One of my favorites is probably less than ten years ago,
Bryce Harper and the Giants. A guy named Hunter Strickland
threw at Harper and Harper just here it is Harper
just had enough and he misses with the helmet.
Speaker 5 (21:23):
Not not a great helmet throw.
Speaker 6 (21:25):
But then we have just a crazy collision coming up,
because often the first basement and third baseman you.
Speaker 5 (21:30):
Know, come flying in like safeties.
Speaker 6 (21:33):
In the collision here, I think the first baseman gets
knocked out and Harper just had enough.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
I love Bryce Harper. Same John Middlecoff with the news,
Well that's the.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
News, and thanks for stopping by the herd Line News.
Speaker 1 (21:49):
So it was way to go. Nineteen eighty four, Memory
still intact. Hey, that switch never turns off Padre's braves.
In Atlanta, it was called the Bean Brawl, and I
know my staff will find the video next segment. It
was brutal. Even the pictures there's still photos of it,
(22:10):
were like, yeah, that's not great, good stuff.
Speaker 2 (22:16):
Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays
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Speaker 5 (22:23):
Saturday Night Baseball Night on Fox.
Speaker 6 (22:26):
This week we've got Roman Anthony in the Red Sox
versus the Cardinals, or it's Rafael Devers and the Giants
against the Orioles Baseball Night in America Saturday at seven
Eastern only on Fox.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
So a couple hours ago, we had Dan brugleron. He
works at the Athletic and he has something called the Beast,
which a couple of weeks before the Draft every year
he unveils and it's really great receivers, ed rushers. I mean,
it tells you every position, and if you love the draft,
it's just like a bible and you just go to
(23:00):
it and we wait for it every year. We brought
him on today. The really interesting one is there's a
bunch of good edge rushers. Ruben Bain at Miami could
end up being as good as any of them, but
his measurements are noticeably kind of red flag. David Bailey
may have a lower ceiling. I like him a lot,
plug and play. Rvel Reese is considered to have the
(23:21):
highest ceiling, but he doesn't have a singular position yet
and I don't trust him with the Jets. Last hour,
he talked about the Bailey Reese debate with a number
two pick by New.
Speaker 7 (23:30):
York I think it's fair to say it's close. I mean, yeah,
you can't ignore what Bailey did this year. I wouldn't
say that he's necessarily the most complete defensive end where
I'm going to put that quote unquote safe label on him.
But if you want a guy that can just scream
off the edge and gonna put pressure on the quarterback,
Bailey can absolutely do that. But in my opinion, Rvel
(23:51):
Reese is the best player in this draft. And I
get there's some worries about, Okay, is he in between positions?
But I think there's a big difference between being a
hybrid and being a tweener, and I think Reese is
very much a hybrid player compared to being a tweener.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
And the other thing about the draft that is great
is that this draft always gives you there's going to
be somebody drafted in the fifth round that's a really
good player. I mean George Kittle. Fifth round. Niners have
a couple of six to seventh round guys that Jennings
and brock Perty And now I think a guy that
could be a star in the league, Like and I'm
(24:30):
I'm not going to give the camp being Antonio Brown
because I don't Antonio's got so many things going on.
But the kid, the Chrispell, the receiver at Louisville. I
was reading draft preview months ago and then I started
googling him and I was like, whoa what? And then
he he was great against Miami. So if you told
me who's the dark horse in the draft, who's going
(24:50):
to go on the third round potentially, and you're gonna
look up and he's a pro bowler, I think it's
this guy on the TV screen and Dane talked about.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
Him, Miami about Chris Bell, and they'll tell you best
receiver they faced this year. He would be a first
round player if not for the ACL. Had the ACL
late in the year in November, so a little bit
of a discount sticker on his tag. But no, I'm
with you. I'm even going back to the summer. He
was my number two receiver coming into the year. Big physical,
(25:19):
the accelerations outstanding. But I think that once you get
to the second round, there's gonna be more than a
few teams looking at Chris Bell and saying, Okay, this
is maybe that guy we're missing, because yeah, he can
take a slant and take it the rest of the way.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Just YouTube it and watch the game against Miami. It's
an interesting draft in terms of receivers. We have it
on the screen here taits and obvious number one that
anybody knows that Lemon Jordan Tyson's banged up, but he's good.
Casey CONCEPTI on again and m guy. I think Omar Cooper.
I've thought about this. If you're if you're the Raiders,
mendo's a number one pick, they have a second round pick.
(25:54):
They thought they had another number one with the Max
Crosby deal, and then that got rescinded, and so you're
you're And because A Cooper is one of those bubble guys,
somewhere from twenty seven to the third pick, are the
Raiders top of the second round. Yet, let's check that.
I could see the Raiders saying, listen, we need a
receiver anyway, Let's just go get Fernando Minoza, his favorite
(26:18):
receiver at Indiana, and Cooper's really good. Cooper's going to
be a starter day one in the league. He's a
really good player. It just does everything pretty well sideline.
You can put them in a slot. He's just a
really good player. Yeah, Raiders have the thirty sixth pick,
so that I'm really interested to see. With the Raiders
first pick, it's the quarterback, and what do they do
with the second pick? They need a right tackle. They
(26:45):
have one, but I do you want upgrade? I could
see them moving up a little bit like after the
first round. Everybody the night that night you get on
the phone and the Raiders move up to the first
pick of the second round. And if somebody a you know,
they've got three fourths. I could see the Raiders doing
that and saying, let's just get Fernando Mendoz. They already
(27:06):
went and got a couple of nice receivers, one from
the Vikings their number three receiver. But that, to me,
that's interesting. The you know, John, when you were working
in the NFL. UH two weeks out from the draft.
Did the Eagles have it all lined up? Knew what
they were doing?
Speaker 5 (27:24):
I think you're kind of in the UH.
Speaker 6 (27:26):
I would say the home stretch maybe like the seventh inning, seventh,
But you're working, you know every day, meetings start eight,
You're there eating breakfast, lunch, and dinner. Really kind of
honing the board. I think by the time you get
to the middle of next week, everyone's maybe early next week,
but this is a big week because all the coaches
have watched all the players.
Speaker 5 (27:47):
They're coming in with some takes. Colin.
Speaker 6 (27:49):
I mean they you know, they got their buddies. You
know what Lincoln Riley called me, you know start called me, or.
Speaker 5 (27:55):
It's not even that.
Speaker 6 (27:55):
Sometimes it's the position coach, the court because all these
coaches know the other coaches and they got opinions and
depending like you, we talked about all day.
Speaker 5 (28:04):
Well a lot of.
Speaker 6 (28:04):
These organizations, who has the juice the head coach, well,
who do they listen to? Sometimes their position coaches and coordinators.
So this is boards can change dramatically right now. The
GMS have been working on this for a year and
you got the linebacker coach flying in all of a sudden,
a fourth round kid makes his way up to the
second round, and you get some you get some big swings,
big late swings.
Speaker 1 (28:24):
Here's so here's the top of the second round. So
you're the Raiders and you have for Nando Mendoza. And
you know what did Ben Johnson do when he got
to the Bears? Help his young quarterback? Help my guy?
So I mean, what did the Washington do year two?
Get him debo? So you know they want to help
Nano Mendoza. So you know the offensive coach, Clint Kubiak
helps the quarterback. So the Jets have two first round picks.
(28:48):
I could see Aaron Glenn banging the table for defensive
guys and the first round where the Jets pick one
through sixteen, a lot of good defensive players, more defensive players.
So I could see the Jets at thirty three wanting
a receiver and the Titans at thirty five, who get
Rvel Reese in the first round, wanting a receiver. So
if you're the Raiders at thirty six, you have to
(29:08):
win the first round. Ends, buy somebody a bottle of wine.
Let's go, let's go chat and have a couple of
apps down down the street. Because the Raiders to get Cooper,
who I think would be a great pick, I think
the Raiders would have to move up, probably have to
give up a fourth, a fifth, something like that. That
to me is an interesting one because I do think
(29:29):
the way to do it when you have a young quarterback,
get an offensive coach preferably or a whiz kid at coordinator,
protect him and get him a weapon. And he's really
good with Cooper.
Speaker 5 (29:39):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
All right, I can't wait two weeks. As of tomorrow,
I'll unveil my mock draft. I've already sent it to
friends and a lot of eye rolls coming back. Yeah, okay, sure,
masters this weekend too,
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