April 8, 2026 • 38 mins
Colin Cowherd looks at the NFL Draft and why he has major questions about the Jets ability to make the right pick at #2 overall
He talks about John Harbaugh remaking the Giants in his first season their head coach and why it’s clear he’s running the show, not the general manager
Plus, Michigan head coach Dusty May joins the show fresh off their National Championship win over UConn to explain why he immediately turned to recruiting after celebrating their title
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This is the Best of the Herd with Colin Cowver
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Speaker 1 (00:27):
It is a Wednesday. Welcome in, we are live. It's
the Herd. Wherever you may be, however you may be listening.
Thanks for making us part of your day. It is
great to be here. I found out today that in
the whole Fox Sports Radio division, my guy Ryan Martin
(00:47):
back in La, myself all top of the food chain
for our brackets. So middle cough. I know everybody, you're
a football guide, but boy do some of this is
gonna seepop to you by next year, at the time
you're gonna be winning your March Madness bracket. Got a
lot of brainiacs here on the staff with Hoots. Mine
did not go well.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I had Saint John's making a run at Patino, but
didn't make.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It for him. Well, okay, one hour from now Dan
Brugler comes on the show he released today. It's called
The Beast at the Athletic and a highly comprehensive look
at the NFL Draft, which as of tomorrow is two
weeks away. And I think the most interesting discussion is
the edge rushers. It's a very good edge rusher draft,
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and there are three in particular. Rvel riese Ohio State
is the high ceiling guy, but does it yet have
a position. And then there's David Bailey, who's the safe pick.
He's a plug and play guy. That's my guy. And
then Ruben Bain could be better than all of them.
You know, they worry about his measurables. I don't. I
think he's going to be a great NFL player. But
(01:53):
it's if I was the Jets, this is the position
and this is the pick, the number two pick. This
is the position and pick that's fascinating. If I was
the Jets ownership or general manager, I would pick David
Bailey because I don't think Aaron Glenn knows what he's doing,
and I think he's going to be gone either midseason
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or next season. And people will say, well, you can't
go with this safe pick at number two. Well, I
invest in real estate and stocks. Many of you invest
in bitcoin. Sometimes I like just being comfortable. Okay. Edge
rushers and I love them, do not win super Bowls,
(02:36):
Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt. I think their playoff
record is one in six. You can look it up,
but I'm committed to memory on that. I think it's
one in six. You got to get three things right
in this league to win Super Bowls. Head coach, quarterback,
and above average left tackle. If those are all really, really good,
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you go win super Bowls without a great edge rusher.
It's nice to have a nice situational pass rush. But
how many great pass rushers did Belichick and Brady have,
I mean top of the food chain. Miles Garrett that no,
they just got pressure situationally on the opposing quarterbacks. What
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the Jets can't do with number two is have another
bust or somebody they can't figure out, because they already
had two of those with Zach Wilson and Makai Beckton.
And Makai Becton is really instructive. He was the tackle
that had some weight issues, but everybody said, oh my god,
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he is His ceiling is one hundred stories high. He's
mostly a bust, bounce around the league guy. You know
who has picked two picks after him. Just another boring,
strong Iowa guy. Tristan Wurf's. John remembers that he was
a right tackle. He was viewed only as a right tackle.
You know, he was a strong guy. But Bectono, Becton,
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Becton to have luggage, will travel. Tristan Wurf's is a monster.
Just another great Iowa NFL player. So here's the thing.
If you have the head coaching quarterback right and the
Jets don't, but I think it's very possible in one
year from today they will. What you want to do
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is have really good football players, and the Jets need
about seven to eight really good football players. What they
what they don't need is a guy that was great
at the combine is blows your way on YouTube, but
he doesn't have a position. Now it's the Jets, So
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who knows what they'll do. But I go back to
Bitcoin bros. Right, like, why don't you get stable before
you try to get rich? The average American millionaire get
there at sixty one, even at fifty one, that's remarkable.
Most people are millionaires the Jets are always overswinging, the
Browns are always overswinging. Just go get a really good
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football player. This idea that you can't hit doubles in life,
why not? I mean again, there are times to be
super aggressive and then there are times like when you're
a bad football operation, dude, hit a bunch of doubles
off the wall. Daniel Jeremiah used to work for the Ravens,
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and that was kind of the Ravens theory that you
can win a lot of games without hitting a ton
of home runs. In the draft, here's Daniel. We'll live
with doubles off the wall all day long. We don't
need to take a wild swing. We can't afford to
miss in the first round.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So with the Bailey Reese debate, which I think is
a fascinating one, I think for twenty six, for sure,
no question, it's Bailey, and that's how I have them
stacked up. But if you're the Jets and everything's kind
of pointing towards twenty seven, where they have those three
first round picks, and if they want to take a
swing on somebody that does have more ceiling, more upside,
and they're not really going to be a competitive team
(06:09):
here in twenty.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Six, I could see them getting to Reese as their pick.
For me, personally, I would take Bailey. Yeah, I would
take Bailey. By the way my staff updated me, Garrett
Crosby and TJ. Watt are one and eight in the playoffs.
You know who's not one in eight in the playoffs.
Teams with great o' lines like this idea that you
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can't play it safe in the draft if you're getting
to a position that's an important position, but it's not coach.
It's not quarterback, it's not left tackle. In this day
and age, it's not an elite weapon. It's not an
interior defensive lineman where there are just not many body types.
By like that, I would go David Bailey first. Now,
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now Rvel Reese at number four with Robert Sala. Oh,
I like that because Robert Sala took Smoke and Mirrors,
Bondo and band aids and peanut Brittle last year in
San Francisco and a very good defense. I trust Robert
Sala to take an RVL Reese. I do not trust
(07:17):
currently the New York Jets. I saw this story speaking
of New York dexter Lawrence, good defensive Lineman for the Giants,
wants a new contract, made it public, and the headline
in this story is the Dexter Lawrence situation becomes the
first test of the Joe Shane John Harbaugh relationship. You
(07:40):
could just put Harbaugh's name in that headline and not
Joe Shane. The relationship is John Harball calls the shots.
Let me simplify it. Head coaches make between nine and
fifteen million dollars a year. Gms make between two and four.
The owner listens to the GM. Sean Payton wanted wide
receiver Jalen Waddle, he got him, spent a lot of
(08:04):
money on him. GM probably pushed back. Sean wanted him,
they got him the Giants. Historically, this has always been
the book on the New York Giants, and the mars
is that it's the head coach top of the food chain,
and then it goes. The construct of it is that
then the coach is down the list. The head coach
ran it. But remember Harbaugh, the Jets were such a mess.
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Tennessee wanted John Harbaugh and they were going to give
him a lot of power, but he wanted the Giants,
and he said, well that I want to get power.
So John Harbaugh took the Giants job. And it's kind
of understood in the building that Joe Shane is a
highly compensated, very powerful scout, and Harbaugh's running the show
as good as Less Snead is in Los Angeles, and
he's exceptional. Sean McVay in the big moments, calls the shots.
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There are very few powerful gms in this league, Okay,
John Snyder and Seattle's got a lot of juice and momentum.
Howie Roseman probably the most powerful Brett Veach all the Ties.
But the Cleveland owner wanted Shandor Sanders drafted. They drafted him.
I mean, Liam Cohen had never been a coach, high school,
college anywhere ever. And Liam Cohen said he was a
(09:13):
hot coaching prospect, never been a coach, head coach, and
he goes, okay, I'll go to Jacksonville. You got to
fire the GM. They fired the GM. That's the way
the game works. So I think Joe Douglas got housed
with a Jets. Actually I didn't like the Zach Wilson
pick at all, or Mackai Bexton, but I thought he
had a lot of good picks. Do you think he
(09:33):
wanted to fire Robert sala in like week five. Of
course not, he was overridden. The Minnesota Vikings today do
not have a general manager. You know who's going to
run the draft the coach Kevin O'Connell. So John Harbaugh.
The relationship is this, John's the boss and Joe nods
his head and if John wants something, John gets it.
That doesn't mean they can't like discuss. It doesn't mean
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Joe Shane isn't capable with his staff of doing some
really smart things. But it's John's organization and that's the
only way he was going to take that job because
Tennessee was interested and was going to give him all
sorts of power. And this is where I'll defend the
NFL coaches. I think there's an order to things. But
if college head coaches, if Kurt Signetti can run all
his personnel, what the NFL guys are saying is college
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guys are doing it. I've been in the league fifteen years.
I want some say on this stuff. And in a
lot of instances, McVeigh has a very good eye for talent.
Sean Payton has a good eye for talent. I would
rather have a GM make I would rather go in
order ideally, but that's not what's happening with the New
York Giants, and that's not what's happening right now in
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the NFL. There are times have you noticed with Denver
and I think their gms capable more than capable, smart guy.
Everybody's every time you say they reached on a guy,
it's always a skill player. In Denver. Harvey shouldn't go
a second round. Sean wanted to Jalen wont That's a lot.
Sean wanted it. That's the way it works in Denver.
(11:02):
So here was John Harball last week on the Dexter
Lawrence trade request out of New.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
York speaking for the Giants. We want Dexter here, and
I believe Dexter wants to be here. You know that's
a that's a good that's a good formula, But there's
business involved. It's a business proposition.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We know it's pro football.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
These things happen every year pretty much on every team,
so not surprised by it. So it's come in a
few weeks back, probably in good conversations with with Dexter's
agent Joel Siegel, and understood what they were thinking. And
this is where we're at so we'll just try to
work through it.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And they put John Harbor on the mic for that
John Harbor the zoom call for that John Harbor to
speak for the Giants on that. That's the relationship. You know,
I had to defect. It's unbelievable. Yesterday I had to
fight off Yukon fans about you know, the officials. Oh,
(12:00):
really handed Michigan a national championship. So I went last
night and I just started YouTube and and looking up
the Michigan Yukon game. I got to six fouls on
Yukon that weren't called. One of them is right before
half when the Michigan guy gets knocked over heaves it
toward the basket and they didn't call it. Now, I
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wasn't deeply bothered by it. I said going into the game, guys,
whoever loses is going to blame the officials. The officials
are going to let a lot of stuff go. So
whoever is stronger and bigger has the advantage. And of
the two teams, usually it's Yukon against Michigan. It was Michigan.
Dusty may have stopping by today the Michigan coach. Also,
you know there's a bunch of interesting stuff today again,
(12:45):
Dame Bugler tomorrow top or today Top of the Hour,
forty five minutes tomorrow, I'm going to give you my
probably final mock draft based on what I'm hearing, what
I'm guessing, what I'm thinking, and who I would pick.
David Bailey would be my number two pick. But it's interesting,
you know, in the NBA drafts going to be the
(13:06):
best draft in the NBA. And I'm not a historian
on drafts in the NBA. I think it's the best
NBA draft I remember, I'll leave it at that. I remember.
I think there's like eight really good players like that
could be. I mean that could literally be All Stars,
eight guys and it wouldn't take that long. But the
one player, and you're starting to hear people chip away
(13:29):
at him. I actually think in the new NBA, not
the old one, the new one, the things that people
like about him really work, and somebody's gonna steal him
at about the eleventh, twelfth or thirteenth pick or thereabouts.
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icon and comment away. It's going to be an incredible
NBA draft, and I want to talk about this. Dusty
May is coming on today. It's very interesting. Yaxel lend aboord.
So he's a fascinating player. People are concerned for a
couple of things. But when I looked his straints up,
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they said offensive versatility, defensive versatility, and improved shooting. The
big question is, well, he's not really explosive, and that's
what's interesting. I think in the old NBA that mattered
a lot more. But the best player in the NBA
easily right now is Jokic. Would you describe him as
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explosive Luca and SGA. The SGA is more explosive than
he gets credit for. I wouldn't term him explosive. You
know who else has never been called explosive, Steph Curry.
Here's explosive guys, John Morant and Zion Zach Levine, who
(15:21):
just got the bag, Stevie Francis, John Wall, Derek Rose.
They all aged really quickly. That's what you get with
explosive guy. Is that when I look at what the
NBA is now, there's two, three or four things that
jump out to me. Number one is the game is
(15:42):
really fast. I need really good decision makers, high IQ
decision makers. Games going warp speed. But what it really
is now is a skill shooting scheme league. That's what
it is, skill shooting scheme. I'll give you an Aaron
Gordon was in Orlando. He was an athletic freak, and
(16:06):
he jumped his way right out of Orlando. They traded
him when he became a better passer and shooter and
a more refined offensive player. Aaron Gordon now is essential
to Denver. He got smarter, he became a better shooter,
he refined his skills. Now Aaron Gordon is a must
have player, a great NBA player in Orlando. Man, look
(16:28):
at those hops and they're nothing wrong with that. But
Vince Carter, no rings, never NBA All first team is
the definition of explosive, and I love Vince. Nice guy,
great player, no first team All NBA. Blake, by the way,
zero All Star games after thirty athletic guys age quick,
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Blake Griffin five of his six All Star teams twenty
five years and younger again. Once he started shoot voting,
I started really liking Blake Griffin. So you know, when
I look at Jaxelndeborg, my take is six' nine two,
forty really, bright runs the, floor one of those scheme
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fit everywhere. GUYS i, Again i'm not saying he's top seven.
PICK i have a hard time believing he has any
bust in. HIM i think he's a big dude who
runs the floor and can hit a. Three that's the NEW.
Nba it's amazing when you look at the most explosive
guys in league. History Obviously jordan is one of. Them
(17:35):
he almost comes across as an. OUTLIER a lot of
the explosive, guys they don't end up with, Rings they
win slam dunk. Contests there are favorite, players but they
and AGAIN mj And. Kobe. Absolutely i'm not Saying i'm
not looking for some, twitch you, know or some, length
But i'd have a hard. TIME i remember When Zach
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edie came into the. League, well, yeah he doesn't move well,
enough And i'm like it was unstuck pppable in. College
he's a smart. KID i think IT'S i think he's
going to be able to play in THE. Nba AND
i THINK i can't See axel not. WORKING i just
can't see. It we'll Ask Dusty may in fifteen to twenty.
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App, so as many of you, KNOW i regularly Visit
la there next, week BUT i live now In, chicago
and WHEN i. Came WHEN i came To, CHICAGO i
told my, WIFE i, said let's, let's you, know let's do.
Stuff and so we Got bulls season tickets And blackhawks
and we go to The United center a. Lot and
SO i follow The. Bulls you, know When i'm in a,
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TOWN i tend to follow the teams more closely BECAUSE
i see him ON tv more. So The bulls blew
out THEIR, gm and they blew out their basketball operations,
people and they needed. To there was no. Plan it
was just what are they? Doing and they Kept Billy,
donovan the, coach WHO i like a, lot and So
jerry Ryansdor, if the, owner said yesterday came out and
he got a lot of pushback on. This he, said
(19:04):
we're Keeping Billy. Donovan if THE gm doesn't understand how
good he, is then we're not hiring. Him and that
got a lot of. Pushback so there is this belief
in in you, know THE nba and and pro, sports
that there has to be an order to. Everything and
you hire the general, manager he hires the, coach he
hires the. Staff BUT i would remind people that when
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The lakers dominated this, league you had Pat, Riley Jerry,
west And Phil jackson often at. ODDS i don't know
any of them truly get, along and they all had
egos and and none Remained lakers for. Life and it,
was you, know there was everybody was kind of it
was a it was a a lot of grabbing for,
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headlines AND I i you KNOW i know each of. Them,
NO i don't. Know phil Met riley talked To Jerry
west multiple. Times it worked because they were all great
at their. Job Phil riley And west great at their.
Job Billy, DONOVAN i know everybody wants to fire. Everybody
(20:08):
Billy donovan Took florida at the time as a football
school and built the closest thing we have now To,
yukon a, dominant, suffocating defensive. Dynasty he then goes To
Oklahoma city and won sixty plus percent of his games first,
year got to The Western conference finals In Oklahoma, city
(20:32):
and his. Troubles you, know when kd leaves, you that
can create a little hole in your. Offense every, time
he's had good, players and he has to say in choosing,
them he wins a lot. Quickly and by the, way
What Jerry reinsdorf did in his press conference is the.
Opposite he pivoted because he favored THE Gm Jerry krause
(20:58):
Over Phil jackson And Michael, jordan and that did not work.
Out so what he's saying, is, NO i got the
coach and maybe one of my after this, draft and
a couple of the young. PLAYERS i like some players
AND i liked the, coach and the coach is going
to get a. Say AND i know there's supposed to
be an order to. EVERYTHING i get, that But i'm
always back to like if you took a company. Over
(21:20):
let's say you bought a small company and you. Interviewed
it was a small, company twelve, people and you didn't
love THE. Ceo so you can THE, ceo but you
love two of the vice. Presidents DO i gotta flush them?
Out what if you're, like, yeah THE ceo was the,
problem THE gm was the. Problem the vice president of
marketing the vice president of distribution are, great but in the,
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end they were vice. Presidents they they didn't run basketball
ops OR. Gm SO i Think Billy donovan was. TRAPPED
i told you a couple of days. AGO i had
a theory on what. Happened carolina Offered Billy donovan the,
job and Then Billy donovan told the bulls, is, listen
we got to make some changes upstairs Or i'm out of.
Here And Jerry, reinsdorf who Loves, donovan said okay and
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tilted The United center on its side and flush those guys.
Out that's my working theory right now is that he
didn't want to Lose, donovan And donovan's, like you, KNOW
i don't Think donovan's a power hungry, guy BUT i
think he's a super smart. Guy AND i just don't
think there's the idea that if you just think about
this structurally foundationally for every company in the, country why
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DO i have to go always in? Order what IF
i love the number, two three and four guy the
company and didn't like didn't like THE, Ceo i'll just
go hire a NEW ceo and keep the people under.
HIM a lot of the decisions may every Time Billy
donovan either selects the players has say or build something
he wins In, CHICAGO i don't think he had the,
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leverage you. KNOW i think he was a good. Employee you,
know we'll do, this we'll do. That but there were
just too many mistakes In. Chicago. UPSTAIRS i don't thinkin's
the problem here Was Michael, Rysdorf Jerry. Sun he's the
one that controls the bulls On Billy donovan's.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Future billy wants to be our coach and someone's not
interested in, that then they're probably not the right candidate for.
Us if he came to me and, said, HEY i
may want to do A Brad stevens. SITUATION i would
sit down and listen To. BILLY i don't think that's
where his head's. At but, no SO i don't. THINK
i don't Think billy cares about. Titles billy cares, about you,
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know being a head, coach and he cares about the
players and cares about the.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Organization that's What i've heard for yours On Billy. Donovan
he's not a power grab. Guy that's not. It he
wants to be surrounded by smart. People you give him good,
players he'll develop, him make him better. Players that's my.
Take dusty May, boy you talk about good Coach National
championship For, Michigan Dane, Brugler top of the, hour good
show coming Up The.
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Ust he may now the coach of mission national champs
is joining. Us and we got a couple of interesting.
Topics SO i said on the air of the day
before the, TITLE i, said whoever loser is going to
blame the. Officials it's going to Because yukon can only
beat you one. Way they're going to have to hit
jumpers and make it. UGLY i want you to take
and right before half one of your guys gets kind
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of banged into and they don't call it a, foul
And i'm, like, well they're kind of being consistent because
there's a lot of hammering. Here how did you look
at the. Game i'm sure you knew going into it
it was going to be. Physical your takeaway and the
officiating in the.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Game, yeah the best Team, collin the best teams in college.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Basketball they know how to foul legally, meeting they know
how to get away with. It and even our, guys you,
Know i'm not playing higher ground. Here they just do
such a good job at being physical while showing their.
Hands it's kind of like the Old Bill Ryan wisconsin,
defenses and so that's. Exhausting it's tough to shoot and
finish and. Score SO i think both teams were playing
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with great, physicality AND i thought their game plan was
an a plus for knocking us off with our with our,
speed athleticism and ability score and.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Transition so kudos to those.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Guys Coach, HURLEY i, mean there's a reason he's at
the top of our.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Sport he's.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Brilliant hurley, said the officiating crew is. Great do you
share that it was a great.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Crew, Yeah and those guys would communicate with. You they're,
fair they would let you vent when you're. FRUSTRATED i
thought they did a great. Job and even if they
came out on, top you know that game was one
because we made just a few more plays than.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Them. Yeah SO i got into this. CONVERSATION i, said
in the old days EXPLOSIVE nba, players it felt like
it was more of an explosive league and The jordan,
Era AND i, said the pacing now is so. Fast
it's about shooting and scheme and. Skill AND i want
guys that make really quick decisions because the pacing of
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THE nba is. Ridiculous it's one hundred miles an. HOUR
i need cognitive guys who would make, quick smart. Decisions
so when, people, okay you Actual Lena borg, PEOPLE i
read the scouting report and they're, like, well he's, okay
he's smart and can, shoot but you know he's not real.
Explosive And i'm, LIKE i don't think Of, Sga yokich
And luca as. EXPLOSIVE i like smart guys to get
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up the. Floor do you think he transitions to THE,
Nba and if, so WHY.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I do call?
Speaker 7 (26:21):
IT i think you're ahead of your ahead of the
game with that. Evaluation the processing power is his. STRENGTH
i don't know If i've ever been around someone that
can can learn things on the fly and be able
to change his moves body contortion based on something that
he saw a month. Ago and so that, processing his passing,
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ability his ability to see the. FLOOR i think those
are all really unique. Now and he's a he's a
different athlete where when you watch, him he doesn't seem
like a plus, athlete and then you see him make
these athletic plays where go underneath and dunk on three,
guys AND i just think he's so untapped because he's
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so new to the.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Game So Mark FEUs a, friend and he was. Funny he,
said can you imagine being in THE? Nfl the season,
ends The Super bowl the next, day everybody's a free.
Agent he, goes that's what college basketball coaches feel like
with this ridiculous. Portal it is. Absurd you've got a
couple of guys to. Replace so are you basically on
(27:24):
zoom calls for the next several? DAYS i, mean you're
right in the middle of, it, right have you already?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Landed?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Anybody what are you doing for the next three? Days,
no we.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Actually just finished the zoom BEFORE i jumped On. Colin
literally we finished the. Game the other, night we get
back to hotel at two. Am there's a reception for
friends and family and those that are associate with the,
program and so we have a couple of pops and some,
food AND i THINK i slept an hour and got
up and did the whole morning show. Circuit we flew
(27:54):
back and as we, landed my wife looked at me and,
said are you coming? Home AND i gave her the side.
EYE i, said.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
No.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
These next two weeks are they are Are Super bowl
and if we would have a, chance a chance to
play In detroit three hundred and sixty five days from,
now then we've got to hit these next two weeks
and fill some.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Holes so YOU i said this the other, day and
this is not a. CRITICISM i, said you, know you
guys are telling me this is an all time great.
Team AND i, SAID i saw a team with A
keem And, drexler not when a. TITLE i saw a
team With chris S mall And Mark, Jackson Bill wennington
And Walter berry not win a. TITLE i, said What
michigan is a reminder of how great college basketball is
(28:37):
when guys stick around for a, second, third and fourth,
year you get grown men. PLAYING i, said so Is
michigan all? TIME i, SAID i don't, know but they
remind me of an eighties and nineties. Team you took a,
freshman you took a couple of guys who were on
the team before you got there that weren't, GREAT a
couple of. Transfers the really the player for, ME A
Dai mara is the ONE i look at AND i, go,
(28:59):
MAN i never saw that. Coming when did you realize with?
Him because you, Know lennenburgh was already a good, Player
but when did you realize With? Mara you know, what,
guys this is going to. Be he's going to be
a really high end. PLAY i just saw a Tall.
Spaniard you, KNOW i didn't see, it did you? KNOW i,
(29:20):
mean was it a week end of? Practice was it mid?
Season when did you?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Know?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Wow with him and the y axle and our, size
this is.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Different well it wasn't when we PLAYED ucla last year
Because Vlad golden had his way with a die and
he did look very. Good and then he had a
couple of games throughout the, season and you watched these
big ten, teams and he had a couple of games
throughout the season where he showed.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Glimpses so after the year was, over we went in
and went.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Back and like we did With vlad And, danny looked
at all of his old footage and we saw him
As Zara goza and playing in THE, acb and we
saw him on the national team and his passing and
footwork were.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Elite now he didn't have the. PHYSICALITY i don't.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Know if you put him in the right schemes where
there's cutting to the, rim there's four, spacing he looked
even better than if he was playing with non. Shooters
so we thought situationally he had a, big big, Upside
and the first exhibition early on in the, year he
wasn't playing very. Well so it just took him some
time of us playing him through, mistakes being frustrated with
(30:25):
each other for a couple of, weeks and then he
just gradually got better throughout the. Season and he's such
a beautiful. Person that's the thing about our. Team these
are such great guys to be. Around they all wanted
to do this for each, other which is.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Rare minute and a half, Left Big ten is. ROLLING
i would think it would be very easy to go
to your boosters and, say, guys the thing's gonna. Last
this is A Big, ten like you guys are the power.
Conference do you think this dominance?
Speaker 7 (30:51):
CONTINUES i think The Big ten is positioned to do
this type of thing every. Year, now the thing with the,
basketball it's a one game series and you could have
nine of the ten best teams and not win a
national championship as a. Conference so it's incredibly difficult to
do as we've. Seen you, know these these teams are
smaller conferences even be able to win. It Or baylor
(31:14):
from The Big. Twelve it's been spread. Out but, YES
i think The Big ten is going to be in
position because of.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
The care for.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Athletics when you look at how much sports and athletics
mean On Big ten, campuses and the resource is. Available
everyone in The Big ten is you, know The West coast.
Schools everyone has the ability to generate revenue for their,
players significant revenue for their, players and so there's no
reason why The Big ten doesn't do what we've been
(31:40):
able to do in.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Football in my opinion, column.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Does breakfast taste different when you're a national? Champion? Is
is it a little different when you wake?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Up, no not at.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
All kind because of the current, climate we can't even
enjoy it because we're driven to do this again and
we are process. Oriented I'M i don't really want to do,
that the parade and all the other stuff that comes with.
IT i want to, recruit get a roster for next
year that we feel that we would love to work
with every single, day would have a chance to do
this and then take some time to enjoy it when
(32:11):
our players go home for the. Summer and the one
thing about winning you get to do a lot of
really cool things when time. Permits so that's When i'll
celebrate the championship whenever we get to do some real cool.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Experiences Dusty, GREAT i got to be. Honest i'm a
good luck. CHARM i keep putting you on and you keep. Winning,
YEAH i won my bracket amongst my. Friends so congrats
to you and The. Wolverines WELL i appreciate. That, colin
big fan of the, show all, right thank. You, yeah
it's we're we're pretty good here On. Fox sports. Ready
our staff that we just found out, today our staff's
(32:44):
sort of cleaned Up Fox Sports radio kind of the
envy with all our guys crushed in the brackets because
we all Took. Michigan that was the. Secret Take. Michigan Greg,
tooey way to, Go buddy back In la trushed as,
Well martin way to. Go all, Right Dane brugler The beast.
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Speaker 1 (33:13):
APP i thought this was. Interesting so seven straight, years
as of, tomorrow it's officially two weeks to the. Draft
seven straight years a team in the top five in
the draft has made the playoffs that next. Year so
(33:34):
last Year New england and The jags. Did so let's
put up the top five teams in the Draft, vegas
The New York, Jets, arizona The Tennessee, titans and The
New York. Giants, okay So i'm going to eliminate two of.
Them The, JETS i don't think the head coach knows
what he's. Doing In, arizona you're in a division with
(33:57):
McVeigh stacked. Roster shanahan good, Roster mike McDonald good. Roster
so let's just be. REALISTIC i don't even know who's
quarterback in The cardinals right. Now So Jet's cardinals take
them Out Las. Vegas i'm going to reluctantly take them.
Out division's good first year head, coach rookie. QUARTERBACK i
think they're going to be a much improved. Team but
(34:20):
in that division with a rookie, quarterback they may not
kind of get it geling Till. Thanksgiving so then you
look at The titans And. Giants one of, those if
the trend keeps, going is going to be a playoff.
TEAM i like The titans a, lot but The titans
last YEAR i looked it up this. Morning here are
(34:41):
their three. WINS a one point win Over, arizona a
two point win Over, cleveland and they Beat Kansas city Without.
Mahomes The titans point differential was. Awful They Robert sall
in that front office need two. Drafts they need secondary,
help online, help weapons. Help they just don't have enough good,
players So i'm gonna eliminate. Them, plus The jags are
(35:03):
pretty good in that, division so Is. HOUSTON i think
The giants are a playoff, team AND i don't think
IT'S i don't think it's that. Difficult AND i Love,
sola but you got to be fair With. Robert they
don't have enough. Players they need seven starters out of the.
Draft The New York giants. Don't they need. Three The
giants have to find a right, tackle another weapon on the,
perimeter get a good corner, safety and The giants are.
(35:25):
GOOD i think The giants between upgrading and also in
The giants, division here's a big. Plus philadelphia is, noisy
and right now there's a lot of questions In Philadelphia.
Washington it feels like THE gm and the coaching. Staff
Dan quinn's on the hot. Seat Jayden daniels off an,
injury struggled to stay healthy so far in THE, Nfl
(35:48):
dallas is just not close. Defensively SO i look at
The giants AND i look at the head, coach the,
quarterback the defensive, line the, rush the left. Tackle never.
Forget The New York giants did something last year that's.
Weird there were four and. Thirteen they led by ten
or more in five of their. Losses that's AN nfl.
Record most of THE, nfl The titans were, bad The giants.
(36:10):
Weren't they just couldn't steal. Wins AND i think The
giants are a playoff. Team leading by ten. Points they
blew five games leading entering the. Fourth they blew three,
games and they were off in one score. Games and
a lot of that is they have rookie. Quarterback you,
know They scataboo got, hurt couldn't depend on the run,
(36:32):
game couldn't milk the, clock and a rookie. Quarterback so
AND i was looking this morning at The. GIANTS i
think they'll make it eight straight. Year at The giants'.
Opponents so they've got some tough road, Games, Seahawks, Rams,
lions those are tough road. Games they got some ws at, Home, Commanders, Cardinals, Browns, Saints,
(36:56):
titans The. Giants The giants have nine wins on this. Schedule,
NOW i don't think they're going to go TO la
And seattle and. Win but you don't none of us.
KNOW i mean right now WITH. Cj stroud and The,
TEXANS i think The lions KNEW oc is. Good you
look at that, SCHEDULE i don't. KNOW i think THAT
(37:20):
i think The giants are an eight or nine win
team AND i And i'll say this, if depending on
how the draft, goes if they get like a carneal
tap and, neighbors they've got the kid From baltimore scatabooze.
BACK i don't know used to. Be you, know you
think to, yourself top of the, draft that's not the
(37:41):
league seven straight. Years Here's John harbaugh on meeting with
The giants players this.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Week it's just a bunch of people coming together to
build something together that is, us that is a team
and plays like a, team and plays like a team
better than any other. Team if you do, that then
you have a chance to be the best, team because
the best team is the team who plays the. BEST
i might have said that in the meeting, today you,
know and it was fun to be around the. Guys
(38:08):
it was fun to stand in front of The New
York giants today
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It is a Wednesday. Welcome in, we are live. It's
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Thanks for making us part of your day. It is
great to be here. I found out today that in
the whole Fox Sports Radio division, my guy Ryan Martin
(00:47):
back in La, myself all top of the food chain
for our brackets. So middle cough. I know everybody, you're
a football guide, but boy do some of this is
gonna seepop to you by next year, at the time
you're gonna be winning your March Madness bracket. Got a
lot of brainiacs here on the staff with Hoots. Mine
did not go well.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
I had Saint John's making a run at Patino, but
didn't make.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
It for him. Well, okay, one hour from now Dan
Brugler comes on the show he released today. It's called
The Beast at the Athletic and a highly comprehensive look
at the NFL Draft, which as of tomorrow is two
weeks away. And I think the most interesting discussion is
the edge rushers. It's a very good edge rusher draft,
(01:32):
and there are three in particular. Rvel riese Ohio State
is the high ceiling guy, but does it yet have
a position. And then there's David Bailey, who's the safe pick.
He's a plug and play guy. That's my guy. And
then Ruben Bain could be better than all of them.
You know, they worry about his measurables. I don't. I
think he's going to be a great NFL player. But
(01:53):
it's if I was the Jets, this is the position
and this is the pick, the number two pick. This
is the position and pick that's fascinating. If I was
the Jets ownership or general manager, I would pick David
Bailey because I don't think Aaron Glenn knows what he's doing,
and I think he's going to be gone either midseason
(02:14):
or next season. And people will say, well, you can't
go with this safe pick at number two. Well, I
invest in real estate and stocks. Many of you invest
in bitcoin. Sometimes I like just being comfortable. Okay. Edge
rushers and I love them, do not win super Bowls,
(02:36):
Max Crosby, Miles Garrett, TJ. Watt. I think their playoff
record is one in six. You can look it up,
but I'm committed to memory on that. I think it's
one in six. You got to get three things right
in this league to win Super Bowls. Head coach, quarterback,
and above average left tackle. If those are all really, really good,
(02:58):
you go win super Bowls without a great edge rusher.
It's nice to have a nice situational pass rush. But
how many great pass rushers did Belichick and Brady have,
I mean top of the food chain. Miles Garrett that no,
they just got pressure situationally on the opposing quarterbacks. What
(03:21):
the Jets can't do with number two is have another
bust or somebody they can't figure out, because they already
had two of those with Zach Wilson and Makai Beckton.
And Makai Becton is really instructive. He was the tackle
that had some weight issues, but everybody said, oh my god,
(03:42):
he is His ceiling is one hundred stories high. He's
mostly a bust, bounce around the league guy. You know
who has picked two picks after him. Just another boring,
strong Iowa guy. Tristan Wurf's. John remembers that he was
a right tackle. He was viewed only as a right tackle.
You know, he was a strong guy. But Bectono, Becton,
(04:07):
Becton to have luggage, will travel. Tristan Wurf's is a monster.
Just another great Iowa NFL player. So here's the thing.
If you have the head coaching quarterback right and the
Jets don't, but I think it's very possible in one
year from today they will. What you want to do
(04:29):
is have really good football players, and the Jets need
about seven to eight really good football players. What they
what they don't need is a guy that was great
at the combine is blows your way on YouTube, but
he doesn't have a position. Now it's the Jets, So
(04:49):
who knows what they'll do. But I go back to
Bitcoin bros. Right, like, why don't you get stable before
you try to get rich? The average American millionaire get
there at sixty one, even at fifty one, that's remarkable.
Most people are millionaires the Jets are always overswinging, the
Browns are always overswinging. Just go get a really good
(05:12):
football player. This idea that you can't hit doubles in life,
why not? I mean again, there are times to be
super aggressive and then there are times like when you're
a bad football operation, dude, hit a bunch of doubles
off the wall. Daniel Jeremiah used to work for the Ravens,
(05:34):
and that was kind of the Ravens theory that you
can win a lot of games without hitting a ton
of home runs. In the draft, here's Daniel. We'll live
with doubles off the wall all day long. We don't
need to take a wild swing. We can't afford to
miss in the first round.
Speaker 4 (05:48):
So with the Bailey Reese debate, which I think is
a fascinating one, I think for twenty six, for sure,
no question, it's Bailey, and that's how I have them
stacked up. But if you're the Jets and everything's kind
of pointing towards twenty seven, where they have those three
first round picks, and if they want to take a
swing on somebody that does have more ceiling, more upside,
and they're not really going to be a competitive team
(06:09):
here in twenty.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Six, I could see them getting to Reese as their pick.
For me, personally, I would take Bailey. Yeah, I would
take Bailey. By the way my staff updated me, Garrett
Crosby and TJ. Watt are one and eight in the playoffs.
You know who's not one in eight in the playoffs.
Teams with great o' lines like this idea that you
(06:34):
can't play it safe in the draft if you're getting
to a position that's an important position, but it's not coach.
It's not quarterback, it's not left tackle. In this day
and age, it's not an elite weapon. It's not an
interior defensive lineman where there are just not many body types.
By like that, I would go David Bailey first. Now,
(06:56):
now Rvel Reese at number four with Robert Sala. Oh,
I like that because Robert Sala took Smoke and Mirrors,
Bondo and band aids and peanut Brittle last year in
San Francisco and a very good defense. I trust Robert
Sala to take an RVL Reese. I do not trust
(07:17):
currently the New York Jets. I saw this story speaking
of New York dexter Lawrence, good defensive Lineman for the Giants,
wants a new contract, made it public, and the headline
in this story is the Dexter Lawrence situation becomes the
first test of the Joe Shane John Harbaugh relationship. You
(07:40):
could just put Harbaugh's name in that headline and not
Joe Shane. The relationship is John Harball calls the shots.
Let me simplify it. Head coaches make between nine and
fifteen million dollars a year. Gms make between two and four.
The owner listens to the GM. Sean Payton wanted wide
receiver Jalen Waddle, he got him, spent a lot of
(08:04):
money on him. GM probably pushed back. Sean wanted him,
they got him the Giants. Historically, this has always been
the book on the New York Giants, and the mars
is that it's the head coach top of the food chain,
and then it goes. The construct of it is that
then the coach is down the list. The head coach
ran it. But remember Harbaugh, the Jets were such a mess.
(08:25):
Tennessee wanted John Harbaugh and they were going to give
him a lot of power, but he wanted the Giants,
and he said, well that I want to get power.
So John Harbaugh took the Giants job. And it's kind
of understood in the building that Joe Shane is a
highly compensated, very powerful scout, and Harbaugh's running the show
as good as Less Snead is in Los Angeles, and
he's exceptional. Sean McVay in the big moments, calls the shots.
(08:50):
There are very few powerful gms in this league, Okay,
John Snyder and Seattle's got a lot of juice and momentum.
Howie Roseman probably the most powerful Brett Veach all the Ties.
But the Cleveland owner wanted Shandor Sanders drafted. They drafted him.
I mean, Liam Cohen had never been a coach, high school,
college anywhere ever. And Liam Cohen said he was a
(09:13):
hot coaching prospect, never been a coach, head coach, and
he goes, okay, I'll go to Jacksonville. You got to
fire the GM. They fired the GM. That's the way
the game works. So I think Joe Douglas got housed
with a Jets. Actually I didn't like the Zach Wilson
pick at all, or Mackai Bexton, but I thought he
had a lot of good picks. Do you think he
(09:33):
wanted to fire Robert sala in like week five. Of
course not, he was overridden. The Minnesota Vikings today do
not have a general manager. You know who's going to
run the draft the coach Kevin O'Connell. So John Harbaugh.
The relationship is this, John's the boss and Joe nods
his head and if John wants something, John gets it.
That doesn't mean they can't like discuss. It doesn't mean
(09:55):
Joe Shane isn't capable with his staff of doing some
really smart things. But it's John's organization and that's the
only way he was going to take that job because
Tennessee was interested and was going to give him all
sorts of power. And this is where I'll defend the
NFL coaches. I think there's an order to things. But
if college head coaches, if Kurt Signetti can run all
his personnel, what the NFL guys are saying is college
(10:18):
guys are doing it. I've been in the league fifteen years.
I want some say on this stuff. And in a
lot of instances, McVeigh has a very good eye for talent.
Sean Payton has a good eye for talent. I would
rather have a GM make I would rather go in
order ideally, but that's not what's happening with the New
York Giants, and that's not what's happening right now in
(10:40):
the NFL. There are times have you noticed with Denver
and I think their gms capable more than capable, smart guy.
Everybody's every time you say they reached on a guy,
it's always a skill player. In Denver. Harvey shouldn't go
a second round. Sean wanted to Jalen wont That's a lot.
Sean wanted it. That's the way it works in Denver.
(11:02):
So here was John Harball last week on the Dexter
Lawrence trade request out of New.
Speaker 5 (11:09):
York speaking for the Giants. We want Dexter here, and
I believe Dexter wants to be here. You know that's
a that's a good that's a good formula, But there's
business involved. It's a business proposition.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
We know it's pro football.
Speaker 5 (11:23):
These things happen every year pretty much on every team,
so not surprised by it. So it's come in a
few weeks back, probably in good conversations with with Dexter's
agent Joel Siegel, and understood what they were thinking. And
this is where we're at so we'll just try to
work through it.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And they put John Harbor on the mic for that
John Harbor the zoom call for that John Harbor to
speak for the Giants on that. That's the relationship. You know,
I had to defect. It's unbelievable. Yesterday I had to
fight off Yukon fans about you know, the officials. Oh,
(12:00):
really handed Michigan a national championship. So I went last
night and I just started YouTube and and looking up
the Michigan Yukon game. I got to six fouls on
Yukon that weren't called. One of them is right before
half when the Michigan guy gets knocked over heaves it
toward the basket and they didn't call it. Now, I
(12:21):
wasn't deeply bothered by it. I said going into the game, guys,
whoever loses is going to blame the officials. The officials
are going to let a lot of stuff go. So
whoever is stronger and bigger has the advantage. And of
the two teams, usually it's Yukon against Michigan. It was Michigan.
Dusty may have stopping by today the Michigan coach. Also,
you know there's a bunch of interesting stuff today again,
(12:45):
Dame Bugler tomorrow top or today Top of the Hour,
forty five minutes tomorrow, I'm going to give you my
probably final mock draft based on what I'm hearing, what
I'm guessing, what I'm thinking, and who I would pick.
David Bailey would be my number two pick. But it's interesting,
you know, in the NBA drafts going to be the
(13:06):
best draft in the NBA. And I'm not a historian
on drafts in the NBA. I think it's the best
NBA draft I remember, I'll leave it at that. I remember.
I think there's like eight really good players like that
could be. I mean that could literally be All Stars,
eight guys and it wouldn't take that long. But the
one player, and you're starting to hear people chip away
(13:29):
at him. I actually think in the new NBA, not
the old one, the new one, the things that people
like about him really work, and somebody's gonna steal him
at about the eleventh, twelfth or thirteenth pick or thereabouts.
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icon and comment away. It's going to be an incredible
NBA draft, and I want to talk about this. Dusty
May is coming on today. It's very interesting. Yaxel lend aboord.
So he's a fascinating player. People are concerned for a
couple of things. But when I looked his straints up,
(14:39):
they said offensive versatility, defensive versatility, and improved shooting. The
big question is, well, he's not really explosive, and that's
what's interesting. I think in the old NBA that mattered
a lot more. But the best player in the NBA
easily right now is Jokic. Would you describe him as
(15:00):
explosive Luca and SGA. The SGA is more explosive than
he gets credit for. I wouldn't term him explosive. You
know who else has never been called explosive, Steph Curry.
Here's explosive guys, John Morant and Zion Zach Levine, who
(15:21):
just got the bag, Stevie Francis, John Wall, Derek Rose.
They all aged really quickly. That's what you get with
explosive guy. Is that when I look at what the
NBA is now, there's two, three or four things that
jump out to me. Number one is the game is
(15:42):
really fast. I need really good decision makers, high IQ
decision makers. Games going warp speed. But what it really
is now is a skill shooting scheme league. That's what
it is, skill shooting scheme. I'll give you an Aaron
Gordon was in Orlando. He was an athletic freak, and
(16:06):
he jumped his way right out of Orlando. They traded
him when he became a better passer and shooter and
a more refined offensive player. Aaron Gordon now is essential
to Denver. He got smarter, he became a better shooter,
he refined his skills. Now Aaron Gordon is a must
have player, a great NBA player in Orlando. Man, look
(16:28):
at those hops and they're nothing wrong with that. But
Vince Carter, no rings, never NBA All first team is
the definition of explosive, and I love Vince. Nice guy,
great player, no first team All NBA. Blake, by the way,
zero All Star games after thirty athletic guys age quick,
(16:50):
Blake Griffin five of his six All Star teams twenty
five years and younger again. Once he started shoot voting,
I started really liking Blake Griffin. So you know, when
I look at Jaxelndeborg, my take is six' nine two,
forty really, bright runs the, floor one of those scheme
(17:12):
fit everywhere. GUYS i, Again i'm not saying he's top seven.
PICK i have a hard time believing he has any
bust in. HIM i think he's a big dude who
runs the floor and can hit a. Three that's the NEW.
Nba it's amazing when you look at the most explosive
guys in league. History Obviously jordan is one of. Them
(17:35):
he almost comes across as an. OUTLIER a lot of
the explosive, guys they don't end up with, Rings they
win slam dunk. Contests there are favorite, players but they
and AGAIN mj And. Kobe. Absolutely i'm not Saying i'm
not looking for some, twitch you, know or some, length
But i'd have a hard. TIME i remember When Zach
(17:55):
edie came into the. League, well, yeah he doesn't move well,
enough And i'm like it was unstuck pppable in. College
he's a smart. KID i think IT'S i think he's
going to be able to play in THE. Nba AND
i THINK i can't See axel not. WORKING i just
can't see. It we'll Ask Dusty may in fifteen to twenty.
Speaker 2 (18:11):
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Speaker 1 (18:21):
App, so as many of you, KNOW i regularly Visit
la there next, week BUT i live now In, chicago
and WHEN i. Came WHEN i came To, CHICAGO i
told my, WIFE i, said let's, let's you, know let's do.
Stuff and so we Got bulls season tickets And blackhawks
and we go to The United center a. Lot and
SO i follow The. Bulls you, know When i'm in a,
(18:43):
TOWN i tend to follow the teams more closely BECAUSE
i see him ON tv more. So The bulls blew
out THEIR, gm and they blew out their basketball operations,
people and they needed. To there was no. Plan it
was just what are they? Doing and they Kept Billy,
donovan the, coach WHO i like a, lot and So
jerry Ryansdor, if the, owner said yesterday came out and
he got a lot of pushback on. This he, said
(19:04):
we're Keeping Billy. Donovan if THE gm doesn't understand how
good he, is then we're not hiring. Him and that
got a lot of. Pushback so there is this belief
in in you, know THE nba and and pro, sports
that there has to be an order to. Everything and
you hire the general, manager he hires the, coach he
hires the. Staff BUT i would remind people that when
(19:26):
The lakers dominated this, league you had Pat, Riley Jerry,
west And Phil jackson often at. ODDS i don't know
any of them truly get, along and they all had
egos and and none Remained lakers for. Life and it,
was you, know there was everybody was kind of it
was a it was a a lot of grabbing for,
(19:47):
headlines AND I i you KNOW i know each of. Them,
NO i don't. Know phil Met riley talked To Jerry
west multiple. Times it worked because they were all great
at their. Job Phil riley And west great at their.
Job Billy, DONOVAN i know everybody wants to fire. Everybody
(20:08):
Billy donovan Took florida at the time as a football
school and built the closest thing we have now To,
yukon a, dominant, suffocating defensive. Dynasty he then goes To
Oklahoma city and won sixty plus percent of his games first,
year got to The Western conference finals In Oklahoma, city
(20:32):
and his. Troubles you, know when kd leaves, you that
can create a little hole in your. Offense every, time
he's had good, players and he has to say in choosing,
them he wins a lot. Quickly and by the, way
What Jerry reinsdorf did in his press conference is the.
Opposite he pivoted because he favored THE Gm Jerry krause
(20:58):
Over Phil jackson And Michael, jordan and that did not work.
Out so what he's saying, is, NO i got the
coach and maybe one of my after this, draft and
a couple of the young. PLAYERS i like some players
AND i liked the, coach and the coach is going
to get a. Say AND i know there's supposed to
be an order to. EVERYTHING i get, that But i'm
always back to like if you took a company. Over
(21:20):
let's say you bought a small company and you. Interviewed
it was a small, company twelve, people and you didn't
love THE. Ceo so you can THE, ceo but you
love two of the vice. Presidents DO i gotta flush them?
Out what if you're, like, yeah THE ceo was the,
problem THE gm was the. Problem the vice president of
marketing the vice president of distribution are, great but in the,
(21:44):
end they were vice. Presidents they they didn't run basketball
ops OR. Gm SO i Think Billy donovan was. TRAPPED
i told you a couple of days. AGO i had
a theory on what. Happened carolina Offered Billy donovan the,
job and Then Billy donovan told the bulls, is, listen
we got to make some changes upstairs Or i'm out of.
Here And Jerry, reinsdorf who Loves, donovan said okay and
(22:06):
tilted The United center on its side and flush those guys.
Out that's my working theory right now is that he
didn't want to Lose, donovan And donovan's, like you, KNOW
i don't Think donovan's a power hungry, guy BUT i
think he's a super smart. Guy AND i just don't
think there's the idea that if you just think about
this structurally foundationally for every company in the, country why
(22:29):
DO i have to go always in? Order what IF
i love the number, two three and four guy the
company and didn't like didn't like THE, Ceo i'll just
go hire a NEW ceo and keep the people under.
HIM a lot of the decisions may every Time Billy
donovan either selects the players has say or build something
he wins In, CHICAGO i don't think he had the,
(22:51):
leverage you. KNOW i think he was a good. Employee you,
know we'll do, this we'll do. That but there were
just too many mistakes In. Chicago. UPSTAIRS i don't thinkin's
the problem here Was Michael, Rysdorf Jerry. Sun he's the
one that controls the bulls On Billy donovan's.
Speaker 6 (23:06):
Future billy wants to be our coach and someone's not
interested in, that then they're probably not the right candidate for.
Us if he came to me and, said, HEY i
may want to do A Brad stevens. SITUATION i would
sit down and listen To. BILLY i don't think that's
where his head's. At but, no SO i don't. THINK
i don't Think billy cares about. Titles billy cares, about you,
(23:28):
know being a head, coach and he cares about the
players and cares about the.
Speaker 1 (23:31):
Organization that's What i've heard for yours On Billy. Donovan
he's not a power grab. Guy that's not. It he
wants to be surrounded by smart. People you give him good,
players he'll develop, him make him better. Players that's my.
Take dusty May, boy you talk about good Coach National
championship For, Michigan Dane, Brugler top of the, hour good
show coming Up The.
Speaker 2 (23:51):
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Speaker 1 (23:58):
Ust he may now the coach of mission national champs
is joining. Us and we got a couple of interesting.
Topics SO i said on the air of the day
before the, TITLE i, said whoever loser is going to
blame the. Officials it's going to Because yukon can only
beat you one. Way they're going to have to hit
jumpers and make it. UGLY i want you to take
and right before half one of your guys gets kind
(24:18):
of banged into and they don't call it a, foul
And i'm, like, well they're kind of being consistent because
there's a lot of hammering. Here how did you look
at the. Game i'm sure you knew going into it
it was going to be. Physical your takeaway and the
officiating in the.
Speaker 3 (24:33):
Game, yeah the best Team, collin the best teams in college.
Speaker 7 (24:37):
Basketball they know how to foul legally, meeting they know
how to get away with. It and even our, guys you,
Know i'm not playing higher ground. Here they just do
such a good job at being physical while showing their.
Hands it's kind of like the Old Bill Ryan wisconsin,
defenses and so that's. Exhausting it's tough to shoot and
finish and. Score SO i think both teams were playing
(24:58):
with great, physicality AND i thought their game plan was
an a plus for knocking us off with our with our,
speed athleticism and ability score and.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
Transition so kudos to those.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
Guys Coach, HURLEY i, mean there's a reason he's at
the top of our.
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Sport he's.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
Brilliant hurley, said the officiating crew is. Great do you
share that it was a great.
Speaker 7 (25:18):
Crew, Yeah and those guys would communicate with. You they're,
fair they would let you vent when you're. FRUSTRATED i
thought they did a great. Job and even if they
came out on, top you know that game was one
because we made just a few more plays than.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Them. Yeah SO i got into this. CONVERSATION i, said
in the old days EXPLOSIVE nba, players it felt like
it was more of an explosive league and The jordan,
Era AND i, said the pacing now is so. Fast
it's about shooting and scheme and. Skill AND i want
guys that make really quick decisions because the pacing of
(25:53):
THE nba is. Ridiculous it's one hundred miles an. HOUR
i need cognitive guys who would make, quick smart. Decisions
so when, people, okay you Actual Lena borg, PEOPLE i
read the scouting report and they're, like, well he's, okay
he's smart and can, shoot but you know he's not real.
Explosive And i'm, LIKE i don't think Of, Sga yokich
And luca as. EXPLOSIVE i like smart guys to get
(26:14):
up the. Floor do you think he transitions to THE,
Nba and if, so WHY.
Speaker 3 (26:20):
I do call?
Speaker 7 (26:21):
IT i think you're ahead of your ahead of the
game with that. Evaluation the processing power is his. STRENGTH
i don't know If i've ever been around someone that
can can learn things on the fly and be able
to change his moves body contortion based on something that
he saw a month. Ago and so that, processing his passing,
(26:41):
ability his ability to see the. FLOOR i think those
are all really unique. Now and he's a he's a
different athlete where when you watch, him he doesn't seem
like a plus, athlete and then you see him make
these athletic plays where go underneath and dunk on three,
guys AND i just think he's so untapped because he's
(27:02):
so new to the.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Game So Mark FEUs a, friend and he was. Funny he,
said can you imagine being in THE? Nfl the season,
ends The Super bowl the next, day everybody's a free.
Agent he, goes that's what college basketball coaches feel like
with this ridiculous. Portal it is. Absurd you've got a
couple of guys to. Replace so are you basically on
(27:24):
zoom calls for the next several? DAYS i, mean you're
right in the middle of, it, right have you already?
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Landed?
Speaker 1 (27:29):
Anybody what are you doing for the next three? Days,
no we.
Speaker 7 (27:33):
Actually just finished the zoom BEFORE i jumped On. Colin
literally we finished the. Game the other, night we get
back to hotel at two. Am there's a reception for
friends and family and those that are associate with the,
program and so we have a couple of pops and some,
food AND i THINK i slept an hour and got
up and did the whole morning show. Circuit we flew
(27:54):
back and as we, landed my wife looked at me and,
said are you coming? Home AND i gave her the side.
EYE i, said.
Speaker 1 (28:01):
No.
Speaker 7 (28:02):
These next two weeks are they are Are Super bowl
and if we would have a, chance a chance to
play In detroit three hundred and sixty five days from,
now then we've got to hit these next two weeks
and fill some.
Speaker 1 (28:15):
Holes so YOU i said this the other, day and
this is not a. CRITICISM i, said you, know you
guys are telling me this is an all time great.
Team AND i, SAID i saw a team with A
keem And, drexler not when a. TITLE i saw a
team With chris S mall And Mark, Jackson Bill wennington
And Walter berry not win a. TITLE i, said What
michigan is a reminder of how great college basketball is
(28:37):
when guys stick around for a, second, third and fourth,
year you get grown men. PLAYING i, said so Is
michigan all? TIME i, SAID i don't, know but they
remind me of an eighties and nineties. Team you took a,
freshman you took a couple of guys who were on
the team before you got there that weren't, GREAT a
couple of. Transfers the really the player for, ME A
Dai mara is the ONE i look at AND i, go,
(28:59):
MAN i never saw that. Coming when did you realize with?
Him because you, Know lennenburgh was already a good, Player
but when did you realize With? Mara you know, what,
guys this is going to. Be he's going to be
a really high end. PLAY i just saw a Tall.
Spaniard you, KNOW i didn't see, it did you? KNOW i,
(29:20):
mean was it a week end of? Practice was it mid?
Season when did you?
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Know?
Speaker 1 (29:24):
Wow with him and the y axle and our, size
this is.
Speaker 7 (29:28):
Different well it wasn't when we PLAYED ucla last year
Because Vlad golden had his way with a die and
he did look very. Good and then he had a
couple of games throughout the, season and you watched these
big ten, teams and he had a couple of games
throughout the season where he showed.
Speaker 3 (29:44):
Glimpses so after the year was, over we went in
and went.
Speaker 7 (29:47):
Back and like we did With vlad And, danny looked
at all of his old footage and we saw him
As Zara goza and playing in THE, acb and we
saw him on the national team and his passing and
footwork were.
Speaker 3 (29:59):
Elite now he didn't have the. PHYSICALITY i don't.
Speaker 7 (30:04):
Know if you put him in the right schemes where
there's cutting to the, rim there's four, spacing he looked
even better than if he was playing with non. Shooters
so we thought situationally he had a, big big, Upside
and the first exhibition early on in the, year he
wasn't playing very. Well so it just took him some
time of us playing him through, mistakes being frustrated with
(30:25):
each other for a couple of, weeks and then he
just gradually got better throughout the. Season and he's such
a beautiful. Person that's the thing about our. Team these
are such great guys to be. Around they all wanted
to do this for each, other which is.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
Rare minute and a half, Left Big ten is. ROLLING
i would think it would be very easy to go
to your boosters and, say, guys the thing's gonna. Last
this is A Big, ten like you guys are the power.
Conference do you think this dominance?
Speaker 7 (30:51):
CONTINUES i think The Big ten is positioned to do
this type of thing every. Year, now the thing with the,
basketball it's a one game series and you could have
nine of the ten best teams and not win a
national championship as a. Conference so it's incredibly difficult to
do as we've. Seen you, know these these teams are
smaller conferences even be able to win. It Or baylor
(31:14):
from The Big. Twelve it's been spread. Out but, YES
i think The Big ten is going to be in
position because of.
Speaker 3 (31:19):
The care for.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
Athletics when you look at how much sports and athletics
mean On Big ten, campuses and the resource is. Available
everyone in The Big ten is you, know The West coast.
Schools everyone has the ability to generate revenue for their,
players significant revenue for their, players and so there's no
reason why The Big ten doesn't do what we've been
(31:40):
able to do in.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Football in my opinion, column.
Speaker 1 (31:42):
Does breakfast taste different when you're a national? Champion? Is
is it a little different when you wake?
Speaker 3 (31:47):
Up, no not at.
Speaker 7 (31:49):
All kind because of the current, climate we can't even
enjoy it because we're driven to do this again and
we are process. Oriented I'M i don't really want to do,
that the parade and all the other stuff that comes with.
IT i want to, recruit get a roster for next
year that we feel that we would love to work
with every single, day would have a chance to do
this and then take some time to enjoy it when
(32:11):
our players go home for the. Summer and the one
thing about winning you get to do a lot of
really cool things when time. Permits so that's When i'll
celebrate the championship whenever we get to do some real cool.
Speaker 1 (32:21):
Experiences Dusty, GREAT i got to be. Honest i'm a
good luck. CHARM i keep putting you on and you keep. Winning,
YEAH i won my bracket amongst my. Friends so congrats
to you and The. Wolverines WELL i appreciate. That, colin
big fan of the, show all, right thank. You, yeah
it's we're we're pretty good here On. Fox sports. Ready
our staff that we just found out, today our staff's
(32:44):
sort of cleaned Up Fox Sports radio kind of the
envy with all our guys crushed in the brackets because
we all Took. Michigan that was the. Secret Take. Michigan Greg,
tooey way to, Go buddy back In la trushed as,
Well martin way to. Go all, Right Dane brugler The beast.
Speaker 2 (33:04):
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Speaker 1 (33:13):
APP i thought this was. Interesting so seven straight, years
as of, tomorrow it's officially two weeks to the. Draft
seven straight years a team in the top five in
the draft has made the playoffs that next. Year so
(33:34):
last Year New england and The jags. Did so let's
put up the top five teams in the Draft, vegas
The New York, Jets, arizona The Tennessee, titans and The
New York. Giants, okay So i'm going to eliminate two of.
Them The, JETS i don't think the head coach knows
what he's. Doing In, arizona you're in a division with
(33:57):
McVeigh stacked. Roster shanahan good, Roster mike McDonald good. Roster
so let's just be. REALISTIC i don't even know who's
quarterback in The cardinals right. Now So Jet's cardinals take
them Out Las. Vegas i'm going to reluctantly take them.
Out division's good first year head, coach rookie. QUARTERBACK i
think they're going to be a much improved. Team but
(34:20):
in that division with a rookie, quarterback they may not
kind of get it geling Till. Thanksgiving so then you
look at The titans And. Giants one of, those if
the trend keeps, going is going to be a playoff.
TEAM i like The titans a, lot but The titans
last YEAR i looked it up this. Morning here are
(34:41):
their three. WINS a one point win Over, arizona a
two point win Over, cleveland and they Beat Kansas city Without.
Mahomes The titans point differential was. Awful They Robert sall
in that front office need two. Drafts they need secondary,
help online, help weapons. Help they just don't have enough good,
players So i'm gonna eliminate. Them, plus The jags are
(35:03):
pretty good in that, division so Is. HOUSTON i think
The giants are a playoff, team AND i don't think
IT'S i don't think it's that. Difficult AND i Love,
sola but you got to be fair With. Robert they
don't have enough. Players they need seven starters out of the.
Draft The New York giants. Don't they need. Three The
giants have to find a right, tackle another weapon on the,
perimeter get a good corner, safety and The giants are.
(35:25):
GOOD i think The giants between upgrading and also in
The giants, division here's a big. Plus philadelphia is, noisy
and right now there's a lot of questions In Philadelphia.
Washington it feels like THE gm and the coaching. Staff
Dan quinn's on the hot. Seat Jayden daniels off an,
injury struggled to stay healthy so far in THE, Nfl
(35:48):
dallas is just not close. Defensively SO i look at
The giants AND i look at the head, coach the,
quarterback the defensive, line the, rush the left. Tackle never.
Forget The New York giants did something last year that's.
Weird there were four and. Thirteen they led by ten
or more in five of their. Losses that's AN nfl.
Record most of THE, nfl The titans were, bad The giants.
(36:10):
Weren't they just couldn't steal. Wins AND i think The
giants are a playoff. Team leading by ten. Points they
blew five games leading entering the. Fourth they blew three,
games and they were off in one score. Games and
a lot of that is they have rookie. Quarterback you,
know They scataboo got, hurt couldn't depend on the run,
(36:32):
game couldn't milk the, clock and a rookie. Quarterback so
AND i was looking this morning at The. GIANTS i
think they'll make it eight straight. Year at The giants'.
Opponents so they've got some tough road, Games, Seahawks, Rams,
lions those are tough road. Games they got some ws at, Home, Commanders, Cardinals, Browns, Saints,
(36:56):
titans The. Giants The giants have nine wins on this. Schedule,
NOW i don't think they're going to go TO la
And seattle and. Win but you don't none of us.
KNOW i mean right now WITH. Cj stroud and The,
TEXANS i think The lions KNEW oc is. Good you
look at that, SCHEDULE i don't. KNOW i think THAT
(37:20):
i think The giants are an eight or nine win
team AND i And i'll say this, if depending on
how the draft, goes if they get like a carneal
tap and, neighbors they've got the kid From baltimore scatabooze.
BACK i don't know used to. Be you, know you
think to, yourself top of the, draft that's not the
(37:41):
league seven straight. Years Here's John harbaugh on meeting with
The giants players this.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Week it's just a bunch of people coming together to
build something together that is, us that is a team
and plays like a, team and plays like a team
better than any other. Team if you do, that then
you have a chance to be the best, team because
the best team is the team who plays the. BEST
i might have said that in the meeting, today you,
know and it was fun to be around the. Guys
(38:08):
it was fun to stand in front of The New
York giants today
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