A Bull-DOGE-er to HHS

Abdul and Katelyn contend with a devastating week at HHS, including: The loss of 20,000 workers A massive restructuring at HHS Senior leaders leaving the ranks The addition of a discredited vaccine skeptic to analyze future data on the MMR vaccine Then Abdul interviews Nat Kendall-Taylor and Julie Sweetland from the Frameworks Institute about their research on American attitudes around vaccine hesitancy, and how to frame productive public health conversations. Check out our shop at store.americadissected.com for our new America Dissected merch – including logo shirts, hoodies and mugs. And don’t miss our “Vaccines Matter. Science Works.” t-shirts! This show would not be possible without the generous support of our sponsors. America Dissected invites you to check them out. This episode was brought to you by: de Beaumont Foundation: Find new, research-tested messaging to communicate about public health, plus useful tips for the real-world situations you face, at debeaumont.org. Ground News: Go to groundnews.com/AD to get 40% off the unlimited access Vantage plan. Boll & Branch: For a limited time get 20% off at BollAndBranch.com/AD.