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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
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Speaker 3 (00:25):
The first gate we're going here. This one is the
main gate. Where we're going is an entrance, but it's
about forty minutes from the base. This is an active
base on people think it isn't it is. I've seen
too many planes over the years. I've seen too many
things they train. Look how many cameras That one rotates
and watches us. That one sometimes will follow you, and
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then you have three cameras on that pullback.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
There you have a camera to the right.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I don't know of any government installation of any kind
in the country that goes to the level of secrecy
this one does.
Speaker 5 (01:04):
This is it right here?
Speaker 3 (01:08):
If you cross, they will detain you. I hold you
in federal prisons six months to a year.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
So you said, I probably shouldn't cross that stop side.
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Do not go through that gate. I'm not going with you.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
If you do, welcome to high stranger.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Here.
Speaker 6 (01:33):
If you do ones like part of this mythology, it's
just become the sort of mecca for people. For a while,
they wouldn't even acknowledge there was such a place. We
know it exists, but it's extremely secretive. The base develops
our most advanced secret military aircraft, so we might not
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find out about something for years after it already happens
at that base and they're test flying it, and it's
very very sensitive because you don't want our adversaries to
know about what we're doing. I mean, it makes complete sense
that it would be secret. There's always people going around
trying to peek in and stuff like that.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Hey that's me. Let's face it, though.
Speaker 1 (02:14):
The odds of getting a glimpse of anything extraordinary here
are pretty much zero. But with all the hype around
Area fifty one, this is a place that I still
want to see with my own eyes.
Speaker 6 (02:25):
You get in big trouble if you try to cross
fences and things that are all around that base.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Indeed they do, at least that's what the sign says,
And apparently in twenty nineteen it actually happened. A man
with a quote cylindrical object in his hands, approached the
base entrance and just kept on walking, and when he
ultimately breached the security gate, he was shot.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
Dead on site by a guard. Yeah, we're not doing
all that.
Speaker 1 (02:50):
Because of Area fifty one's place in UFO pop culture,
it's attracted all kinds of people over the years. You
might remember an event called Storm Area fifty one that
happened a few years ago.
Speaker 7 (03:02):
Nevada officials are bracing for an invasion at Area fifty
one by humans. Now the extraterrestrial hub is front and
center thanks to a Facebook group dubbed Storm Area fifty one.
They can't stop us all.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
In twenty nineteen, a Facebook event was made as a
joke inviting people to raid Area fifty one.
Speaker 6 (03:22):
All these people logged into Facebook and said, yeah, i'll go,
I'll go, I'll go, and it became this movement.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Within a few months, the event had over two million
people attending and the Internet was covered in alien.
Speaker 7 (03:32):
Memes, attracting more than two million fans. The movement quickly
went from a joke to no laughing matter.
Speaker 6 (03:39):
The Storm Area fifty one declares we can move faster
than their bullets.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
Let's see them aliens.
Speaker 6 (03:46):
I think it speaks to the frustration that people have
that's been building up over decades, the fact that they're
not told what we have, they're not given information by
the government. This was sort of an expression of that
they don't know what to do, but they don't know
what to believe. Let's just go out there and protest.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
On September twentieth, twenty nineteen, the storm Area fifty one
event really happened, but it was quite underwhelming. A few
hundred people showed up, most in costumes and holding goofy signs,
one reading clap alien cheeks what. As a result, six
people were ultimately arrested, but thankfully no one was shot
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or killed.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
You work at Area fifty one, you're never supposed to
tell anybody. You're not supposed to tell your loved ones.
You have a contract that doesn't really exist.
Speaker 3 (04:33):
So somebody working at Area fifty one could work at
Area fifty one their whole life and not know what's
going on. They're entered into a room with security, they're
working on at cog of the machine. They don't know
what's going on in the room next to them. There's
probably only a handful of people that really know what's
going on in area fifty one at other places like it,
and to that degree, it makes me wonder why, even
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if it was national defense, you still think that people
that were working on it should know what they're working canon.
It's more about what you don't see and what you
don't hear about it, and why.
Speaker 4 (05:04):
They go to that level. I have no clue what
do we know. We know nothing.
Speaker 3 (05:11):
I mean, it's all conspiracy opinion, so quite easily if
they're hiding something here, this is a great place for it.
There's nothing around it, so you could hide all kinds
of stuff here, I was told by a sheriff. Once
you enter the base through the gate, there's another gate
five minutes in, another gate like ten minutes in, so
you're passing by multiple gates after you get the first
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initial one. If you drive into it, and you're going
to be surrounded right away.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
This is it rare.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Our guide parked the suv a short walk from the
second gate. Dusty water was pulling across the desert road
from a rare recent rain in the area, so from
this point we had to get out and walk the
rest of the way.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
It's actually the dotted line.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
The entrance is surrounded by two massive hills in the
perfect position for an amazing vantage point on pretty much.
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Anything down below.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
I mean, I knew we were being watched, but it's
almost like you could feel it too. Throughout the course
of the day, our local guide rattled off fun facts
and interesting anecdotes about the base.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
He's personally been coming here for years.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
The stories he told kept the illusion alive that we
were in some kind of spy movie.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
I didn't mind it.
Speaker 8 (06:31):
Now.
Speaker 3 (06:31):
About a year ago in April, I was coming to
Area fifty one. On the right hand side of the car,
there's a stealth bomber. Literally it's flying alongside of us,
and I said, hey, can you guys record that? So
they take video of it. When they send it to me,
you could hear the stealth. No, there was nothing in
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that video. We should have had it in the video.
How did they miss it? Was they edited the video
or there was something blocking it from recording, But whatever
it was, we should have had it in the video.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't know about all that, but maybe I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:11):
I will say this, my phone had no service the
whole time, and it was a little glitchy, freezing and
moving slow, and it seemed to stop when we left
the base.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Probably just need the new iOS update right now.
Speaker 3 (07:25):
I've been coming here for years, and about a month ago,
I was about five eight miles up something like that,
and all of a sudden we thought it was aircraft
because it was super loud.
Speaker 4 (07:35):
So I'm like, oh my, is that a jet? And
then I realized it's the tire.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
I got out of my car to get the tire
in the back, and there was a black truck, share
of truck that I've never even seen in this area,
and he stopped and asked me if I needed help.
I don't know where he came from, and I'm not
kidding about that. I literally did not see him coming
or going, and it shocked me that actually somebody was
right behind me.
Speaker 4 (07:56):
It's a fifteen minute dirt road.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
You can see all the way around you for miles,
so if you had like a black truck or anything, you.
Speaker 4 (08:02):
Would see it coming from miles. My opinion.
Speaker 3 (08:05):
Now, there could be an entrance you only could see.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
On the right angle.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Hang on, let me get my tenfoil hat.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
This place is certainly mysterious, and even objectively so you
could say all kinds of crazy things about it.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
But the fact is we truly know nothing.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
Even if they're just testing our own advanced aircraft here,
it's not really a stretch to believe that they could
take their security measures to James Bond level.
Speaker 9 (08:33):
Shit.
Speaker 1 (08:34):
Thinking about all this stuff starts brewing this internal question,
do you want to be a skeptic, a believer, a
complete neutral?
Speaker 2 (08:42):
Do you not care at all?
Speaker 1 (08:44):
For me, it's the idea of wanting to believe versus
This sounds insane. As the sun was starting to set,
we called it a wrap on our Area fifty one adventure.
We saw no aliens or spaceships, but I got to
witness firsthand a level of secure, already in flat out
secrecy that I've never really seen before.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
And for the links that they go to in order
to hide and.
Speaker 1 (09:06):
Protect this place, you'd at least expect or even hope
they're doing something pretty damn cool in there. Or maybe
it's just a private golf course for senators.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Who knows.
Speaker 10 (09:33):
We're going to talk about flying saucers. We're going to
talk about them from the standpoint of reporters, not as Canadians,
not as sensationalists.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I've always had an interest in the subject of UFOs
since I was a kid in the wouldn't that be
cool if they were a real kind of way nothing serious.
Not until I started making this show, going through cases,
digging up old documents, and talking to witnesses that I
start applying a more analytical approach to this thing. When
it comes to UFOs, there's this common notion that the
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government knows more that they're hiding the truth. Most of
the conspiracy stuff, in my opinion, is nonsense. But when
you really peer down the barrel of the UFO topic,
you'll find that this whole government secrecy thing is actually
rooted in truth. Let's talk about Project blue Book for
a second.
Speaker 11 (10:23):
In plain English, Project blue Book said there was a
certain percentage of cases they could not explain.
Speaker 2 (10:31):
Here's Brian Bender.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
They said that that's fifty years ago.
Speaker 10 (10:36):
There have been a certain percentage of this volume of
reports that have been made by credible observers of relatively
incredible things. It is this group of observations that we
now are attempting to resolve.
Speaker 11 (10:52):
From the late forties to the late sixties, Project blue
Book was a public government wide effort led by the
Air Force to look at this issue.
Speaker 6 (11:02):
The CIA convene this panel early nineteen fifties in which
they decided to use ridicule and to use debunking as
a tool.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Here's Leslie Kane the tool.
Speaker 6 (11:13):
To get people to stop focusing on this so much.
Speaker 12 (11:16):
The United States Air Force has apparently clamped the lid
on much information about UFOs and sought to ridicule such
reports as it couldn't muffle.
Speaker 11 (11:25):
These agencies exist to withhold information.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
It is what they're about.
Speaker 11 (11:32):
They keep their weapons systems secret, how they work, sometimes
even that they're developing them at all. They're not about
spreading around everything they know. So if you understand that
this is a culture built on keeping secrets.
Speaker 5 (11:49):
So that we have an edge over the bad guys,
throw in the UFO topic.
Speaker 11 (11:55):
If they do know more things, but they don't know everything,
what do you tell the world, Even if you did
want to.
Speaker 10 (12:03):
Be transparent, There is no measurement that makes it possible
for us to put them in any pattern for a deliberate,
custom sort of analysis to take the next step.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
I don't like the term cover up. It has this
connotation of sort of conspiracy theories. Nobody's disputing the fact
that the government is withholding information.
Speaker 12 (12:27):
It's absolutely a fact private organizations exist that are wholly
devoted to intensive investigation of every reported sighting of UFO's
unknown flying objects. From their investigations have come certain tentative
and disturbing conclusions.
Speaker 6 (12:46):
Project Bluebook used ridicule to make witnesses feel bad or
diminish the issue. There's basically been some level of cover up,
if you want to use that word, withholding of information
from the public, providing misleading information to steer people away.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
In Layman's terms.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Project Bluebook was created by the US Air Force in
nineteen fifty two to investigate UFO sidings, and among the
hundreds of cases they looked into, many of them remained unsolved.
The Air Force decided to try and lessen the public's
interest in UFOs and embarked on a literal debunking campaign.
They used the mass media to ridicule the topic, hired scientists, astronomers,
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and even celebrities to poke at this subject by putting
forth ordinary explanations for the sidings, when in fact they
themselves didn't know what they were and continue to investigate them.
One line from the now declassified documents says, quote, we
need to watch civilian UFO groups because of their potentially
great influence on mass thinking. And this isn't a conspiracy theory.
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These are all facts from government documents that were available
under the Freedom of Information Act.
Speaker 10 (13:57):
We have as a date come to only one firm conclusion.
It does not contain any pattern of purpose that we
can relate to any conceivable threat to the United States.
Speaker 6 (14:10):
The final closing statement of Project Bluebook said that no
UFO has ever been a threat to national.
Speaker 11 (14:16):
Security, and then after that they said, well, we're done,
we don't study this anymore. So why is there all
this paper trail of UFO related things that were being done.
We know from the archival record there were sightings over
a military bases, the security personnel on those bases. We're
told to go look into this. There's obviously a paper
trail for that. They've definitely been studying it.
Speaker 6 (14:37):
In the nineteen seventies, Wealth of Documents came out a
document that came out known as the bold Under Memo,
saying well, even though we're closing Blue Book, everyone can
still continue to report the UFO cases that are relevant
to national security through other channels. Basically, it's acknowledging that
UFOs are a national security threat, and yet The final
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closing statement of Projects Bluebook said that no UFO has
ever been a threat to national security. So you have
these documents written months apart that are absolutely contradictory of
each other, all.
Speaker 2 (15:13):
These years later.
Speaker 13 (15:13):
If they're saying there's things out there and we don't
know what they are, with that distrust already there, do
we believe them now or how do you factor that in?
Speaker 6 (15:26):
I just think they're not saying everything.
Speaker 5 (15:29):
There's no evidence that there are is.
Speaker 6 (15:31):
There's no evidence that they're Russian or Chinese, but they
won't say these are not man made objects.
Speaker 1 (15:39):
A Chinese by balloon was shot down about a month
before this show was set to release. In less than
a week after that, the US military shot down another
unknown object off the coast of Alaska, then the next
day another shot down over Canada, then went over northern
Michigan the following day. The first object shot down was
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explained to be a spy surveillance balloon from China. There's
tons of pictures on the Internet and even eleaked selfie
from one of the pilots clearly a balloon, but the
following three objects still have no explanation, and the government
has since said they've been unable to locate the debris.
Looking back at the Roswell incident, it's hard to shake
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this little feeling of deja vu.
Speaker 11 (16:25):
There's a lot of distrust and healthy distrust in sort
of American political culture.
Speaker 5 (16:31):
I think the government knows more, even just understanding how
the intelligence agencies work.
Speaker 11 (16:36):
There's a lot of things that they know, puzzle pieces
that they've collected that they don't talk about. But I
also think it's often because they have something and they
don't quite know what it is. They're not like you
and me. They're not hey, let's tell people what we know.
It's a complete opposite. So when in doubt the stamp.
Speaker 6 (16:58):
Classified, just classify, classify, classify. As we all know, in
the Department of Events, there's a tendency to classify. Lots
of times there's a good reason for it, but other
times there may not be. Just the automatic response. It's
the way Department of Defense operates.
Speaker 11 (17:16):
A lot of times it's ridiculous stuff. It's not even
something that would help the bad guys, because the bad
guys already know it. The popular perception, this narrative that
the government knows so much more and they're just not
telling us. Some of that is drawn from reality, a
lot of it is not. It comes from movies in Hollywood.
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Popular culture shows or movies that are built on a
real thing or a real phenomenon tend to kind of
go off the rails. There is this gap between what
is probably the logical reality that we can verify and
this woo woo stuff that we see on TV and
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in movies.
Speaker 5 (18:03):
I think the truth is somewhere in between follow the facts.
Speaker 11 (18:07):
I just go by what I've seen and the people
that I've met spent years with.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Maybe I'm a complete dupe and they've snowed me over
for twenty some years.
Speaker 11 (18:19):
But as a journalist who covers the Pentagon, no matter
what the explanation is, they're all hugely big news stories.
Whether you think their aliens or not, we should probably
do more to try to understand what these six are
if we don't know what they are.
Speaker 8 (18:54):
Hillary and I went to Hawaii in twenty eighteen to
the Big Islands, where all the telescopes were on top
of the mountain, you know, including the Keck telescope, the
largest in the world, and several countries have scientific teams there.
So after we toured the telescope. We went down and
met with them and I said, do you guys argue
about the likelihood of life and outer space? He said,
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we have huge arguments. I said you do, He said,
oh huge. I said, what's the range? He said, there
are those of us who think it's eighty five percent
likely and those of us who think it's ninety five.
It's very unlikely that there is not life.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
Not everyone out there is trying to prove the existence
of aliens. The scientific community can be pretty split on this.
Speaker 9 (19:45):
It's fun to solve things.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
Here's Mick West, owner of metabunk dot com, a community
driven form dedicated to debunking.
Speaker 14 (19:55):
With UFOs in particular, You're presented with an interesting little puzzle,
You get a little video and perhaps some background information,
and then you've got to try to figure out what
this thing actually is. I've looked at literally hundreds of cases.
Most of those UFO cases are not interesting. The little
dots in the sky or little blobs and things like
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that just simply not enough of information. It could be
a balloon, it could be a bird, could be a drone,
could be some kind of other aircraft, could be some
kind of secret technology. It could be an unusual natural
phenomena like ball lightning. It could be like an alien spaceship.
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These are all possible explanations, but you start off with
the ones that are most likely. It sounds easy to
say it's unexplained, but that's not an explanation.
Speaker 15 (20:51):
You know.
Speaker 14 (20:51):
Just saying a UFO sounds much simpler, but it's really not.
People have cognitive biases. If someone's looking for something, they
might find it. They might tend to see it. If
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they are looking for a UFO, just a generic UFO,
they're going to find him. There are lots of things
in the sky that you can't immediately identify. To spend
one hour outside just looking at the sky, you will
see all kinds of things. You'll be able to identify
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a bunch of them. But at some point you're going
to see a white cigar shaped object off in the distance.
It'll be a plane, but you won't be able to
tell this it's a plane, And if you were of
the mind to be looking for UFOs, you wouldn't interpret
it as a plane. You think there's a UFO. People's
perceptions very greatly. They're perfectly honest. People are not lying
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in these accounts. Say what they saw, but what they
saw isn't really what was actually there, is what their
brain perceived.
Speaker 1 (22:09):
Obviously, not every strange sighting of an object in the
sky is truly something unexplainable. Our brains are not perfect,
and occasionally we can remember details wrong. Working in true crime,
I've seen this happen time and time again. People have
been charged for a murder that an eyewitness saw them commit,
only years later forensic evidence proving it was actually someone else.
Speaker 14 (22:35):
A few months ago, pilots started seeing what they described
as lights in the sky. They see what looks like
planes flying around and a holding pattern a racetrack passion
because he shaped like a racetrack. Some pilots started reporting them,
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and then loads of other pilots started reporting them.
Speaker 16 (23:01):
Several pilots lightly I've reported seeing objects that they cannot
explain flying over the US.
Speaker 14 (23:07):
These flying objects doing these circuits and the sky, and
some of them actually took video.
Speaker 15 (23:12):
I just happened to look out the right hand side
at the starboard side of the aircraft. I look up
and I see two lights and they were doing like
a circle like a racetrack. Next thing I know, there's
three lights and then there's four lights, then there's five lights,
and I'm like, what the heck's going on? So I
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made a call to air traffic control.
Speaker 17 (23:37):
They're going out of every aircraft ronder.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
Yeah, I don't know, you're not entering any military or
space or anything.
Speaker 8 (23:43):
I'm not sure.
Speaker 15 (23:45):
I thought I saw a shooting star, but the weird
thing was it actually stopped and joined the circle. We'd
forty seven thousand feet nobody's above us, and they kept moving,
and at one point they moved up almost.
Speaker 5 (23:55):
Over the top rore. I was trying to bend my
head to look because they were so high above us.
Speaker 14 (24:00):
So you could say, well, maybe it's an alien spaceship.
Perhaps it's time travelers from the future. These are explanations
that sound simple, but they're really not. Eventually, a guy
on my forum, metabunk, came up with the right answer.
What we were actually looking at were Starlink satellites. We
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took the actual data of these satellites and some a
video where we knew the location, and we were able
to sync them up. Here is the flare of this
satellite where he gets brighter, and here is an actual
Starling satellite, and we could match them perfectly. What the
pilots were seeing were starling satellites that are in their
final position right over the horizon with the sun behind them,
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just illuminated by the sun, and we could match them perfectly.
The pilots thought that these things were moving in circles.
It turns out this was kind of an optical illusion,
because what happened was the satellites were moving across their
field of view, and they were get seem brighter and
then dimming, and then another one would come along. It
kind of looked like from their perspective, it was just
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one thing that was moving in circles. I think that
tells you a number of interesting things. I mean, one
is that eyewitness accounts aren't always going to be reliable.
Sometimes people mess up, sometimes equipment fails. We know these
things happen, and we know coincidences happen. We know that
sometimes something happens on the same day as another thing
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that seems really weird. Sometimes you see something on TV,
then you see the same thing down the street. The
weird coincidence they happen. Is that actually stranger than the alternatives.
If I give an explanation that requires a few hoops
to be jumped through.
Speaker 9 (25:45):
Say, it requires the radar.
Speaker 14 (25:47):
To be faulty and someone to have made a mistake,
to have misperceived something from their flight. It sounds like
I'm having to jump through a whole bunch of hoops.
But is a radar failing and someone making a mistake
and someone else misperceiving something and someone else taking a video?
Is that actually stranger than the discovery of a new
alien race visiting Earth with their spaceships. If UFOs are
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something like aliens, that would tell us something really significant
about the universe. Monumental is significant in terms of human's
place in the world. A lot of human society is
based upon religion, and religion is kind of predicated on
the idea that God created man and the universe for man.
Speaker 9 (26:42):
And it's just that.
Speaker 14 (26:44):
If all of a sudden you get these aliens thrown
into the mix, that's going to upend a bunch of
people's perceptions about the way the world works. It'll also
upend things like technology, how do we get to the stars?
You know, how do we extend our lives? How do
we know what happens after death? So there's all these
questions that people are just fundamentally super interested in that
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look like they might have answers if some really advanced
alien civilization came here.
Speaker 9 (27:12):
It pushes a lot of buttons.
Speaker 14 (27:17):
You want to avoid being an advocate for one explanation.
And I think a mistake people make when they're investigating
things is they think of this is what it probably is.
They decide in their minds, you know, this is where
it is, and then they spend all their time trying
to make an argument that it is that thing, which
is kind of a bad approach. If anything, you should
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be doing the opposite. You should be trying to disprove
the human brain is wired to recognize patterns. Paridelia is
seeing patterns where patterns don't exist, like you see patterns
in random data. You see faces in the knots of
a tree, you see Jesus in this slight toast. It's
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just a natural human thing. It's not hard to get
something that's simply unidentified. If you just see a white
cigar shaped object moving in the sky and it's like
thirty miles away, it's probably going to be a plane,
but it's a UFO because you can't tell exactly what
it is.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
According to the Pentagon, they've cataloged over five hundred UFO
sidings in recent years, and over three hundred of them
were in twenty twenty two alone. Out of these new cases,
six of them were ruled to be airborne clutter, twenty
six were drones, and one hundred and sixty three were
likely balloons. That leaves one hundred and seventy one cases
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that have no explanation at all.
Speaker 14 (28:44):
UFOs are really only compelling to me if they do
something interesting. If you see a white cigar shaped object
zip across the sky, stop at one point to the sky,
zoom down to the ground, and shoot off into space,
be really compelling. I think you've always got to keep
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an open mind. You've got to recognize that there is
a possibility that some of the cases that don't have
an immediate and obvious explanation could be some kind of
advanced technology, could be something that a foreign power has developed.
It could be a secret US military program, It could
be visiting aliens. These are possibilities that we shouldn't eliminate
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just because they sound really outrageous, but you've got to
keep them in the context of where the evidence actually is.
If we have something that unambiguously demonstrates advanced physics related
by a reliable source. That would be a real strong
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pointer towards it being something new, that there was something
going on.
Speaker 6 (30:20):
What makes it case credible is when there's a lot
of data. Definitely, multiple witnesses is a basic criteria. If
the witnesses are military and highly trained, that gives it
another level of credibility, as opposed to like guys at
three in the morning drinking beer on their back porch.
Speaker 17 (30:39):
Right.
Speaker 5 (30:41):
It's like any detective story.
Speaker 11 (30:44):
The more people that have seen it from different vantage
points have similar testimonies, the credibility of those people.
Speaker 5 (30:54):
What are the facts versus what is just opinioned.
Speaker 11 (30:58):
The most interesting cases are the ones that fit into
that category.
Speaker 5 (31:04):
Lots of people reported seeing it, Lots of their testimonies
are similar what they saw and when they saw it.
Speaker 11 (31:13):
Cases like that, you can't just dismiss them.
Speaker 18 (31:21):
This is Woodbridge Airfield, an American Air Force base in
eastern England.
Speaker 5 (31:26):
Woodbridgefield was the sight of.
Speaker 18 (31:28):
Something that witnesses say seemed to be taken from science fiction.
Speaker 1 (31:33):
Around Christmas time in nineteen eighty, multiple UFOs were reported
over a United States military base in eastern England.
Speaker 18 (31:41):
This official US Air Force report obtained under the Freedom
of Information Act documents two UFO incidents that were intensely
investigated by the Air Force. A triangular luminous flying object
with a red light on top and a series of
blue lights underneath. A circular, translucent ground hugging disc various
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lights moving erratically about the night sky, one of which
occasionally beamed the shaft of white light downward.
Speaker 1 (32:09):
It is now known infamously as the Rendalsham Forest incident.
The event occurred over three days and involved multiple witnesses
in the military that were stationed on the base. What
these men encountered in the Rendalsham Forest in nineteen eighty
remains unexplained to this day. I was able to track
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down one of the witnesses, a retired military officer who's
now in his late seventies.
Speaker 9 (32:41):
I'm just gonna put this in.
Speaker 17 (32:43):
Front of sarted.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
If you want to start, maybe you could just tell
us your name of the retired rank.
Speaker 16 (32:52):
My name is Charles Halt. Thirty one years ago. I
was in the Air Force Deputy based Command during the
nineteen eighties and was witnessed to an unusual event that's
kind of left mark on me. What happened in the
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forest over three nights. In our contacts, what we know unexplainable.
It's a burden. There's so much nonsense, so much clutter.
There are more, how shall I say, people on the
fringe of this subject than you can believe.
Speaker 5 (33:32):
I meet a lot of them. Believe me.
Speaker 16 (33:35):
I certainly haven't looked for fame or money. I haven't
ask you for any money. My biggest concern is that
the truth is out there.
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Charles Holt's story begins on December twenty seventh, nineteen eighty when.
Speaker 16 (33:59):
I walked into the police station. The desk sergeant started
a laugh. I said, what's so funny? Thinking it's you know,
he's been working too long, and it's on holidays and whatnot.
He said, Carl, you're not going to believe this. Last night, Burrows,
Peniston and Cabanasac were out in the woods chasing UFOs
all night. I know it wasn't one of our aircraft.
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The following night, we were having.
Speaker 9 (34:25):
Our Christmas party.
Speaker 16 (34:27):
We were at the Woody barr all forty two officers
with the exception of Bruce Ington, who was the on
duty police lieutenant. We had just finished dinner and we're
getting ready for dessert, and he came into the club
white as a sheet. He said to me, we need
to talk. We went into the coch room and he
said it's back. The UFO's back. We get gassed up
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across the base. We go down the East Gate Road
back into the forest. Meantime, my mom my little cassette
recorder I carried with.
Speaker 1 (35:00):
Me everywhere throughout the night. Holt recorded his experience on
a cassette tape. He's had this audio for over forty
years now, and the tapes you're about to hear were
the actual recordings from that night.
Speaker 19 (35:13):
Heyin some kind of mechanical prod, I just sent back
into the white take.
Speaker 16 (35:19):
The range to gar Kier and we're milling around and
discussing it. England tells me two nights ago, the guy
saw this object in saw where landed and there's indentations
marks in the soil.
Speaker 17 (35:32):
Okay an now approaching area within about twenty five thirty Peek,
what kind of reasons do we get in the fine
pine or clicks?
Speaker 4 (35:38):
And we get updated.
Speaker 16 (35:40):
We go into the forest and we do find these
three indentations. There are about an inch and a half deep,
about ten or twelve inches across equidistance apart. We get
the geyer Kinder right, and we find out that the
radiation readings are about nine times higher than background radiation
in the indentations.
Speaker 17 (35:58):
Of the area, and they can seem kind we get
out there on the scale, I guess renown of the
high ten scale. The beater's definitely give them that. It's
a fast to flex neil I've seen yet.
Speaker 16 (36:14):
There's rub marks or scratch marks on the trees, like
something to rub them. When we look up, we can
see branches broken. You can see the sky like something
to come down.
Speaker 5 (36:25):
Through the trees.
Speaker 16 (36:28):
We take radiation readings on the trees and are higher
on the inside toward the three indentations than they are
on the backside.
Speaker 17 (36:35):
M h th be that.
Speaker 9 (36:37):
Well, that's kind of funny.
Speaker 17 (36:38):
That's that's you're right about your brain. I've never seen
are that's full. I never seen a pine tree, but
damage react to put that in. Yeah, well you're gonna
stamp the bottle. We'll just.
Speaker 16 (36:51):
While we're meling around, somebody says, look out there, there's
this glowing red object.
Speaker 17 (36:56):
You just find light that the other way where in
a pendent position here three the heads in between the
t There it is again, it's thread the head off
my fast right there? What there it is? Yeah, I
see it too. What is it?
Speaker 16 (37:10):
We don't know, sir, We don't got the east and
in the farmer's field between us and the farmer's house
is a glowing red objects.
Speaker 17 (37:20):
A strange small red light. Look to be that maybe
a quarter to a half now, maybe before they're out.
Speaker 16 (37:28):
When we first saw the glowing object in the field,
barnyard animals went wild.
Speaker 17 (37:36):
We're hearting, very strange sounds out of the farmer's burning ard.
Speaker 12 (37:38):
Animals were very very active, making lefflot of noise.
Speaker 16 (37:43):
It looks like the farmer's house is on fire from
the reflection you see in the windows. We watched it
for several minutes and it moves into the forest through
the trees, obviously under intelligent control. I'm thinking, what am
I going to tell people? I have no choice now.
People know I'm out here. The command posts heard all
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these comments. They know something's going on. They're gonna all
want an answer. This is just beyond anything I know that.
I can't explain it. I don't have any answers.
Speaker 17 (38:18):
Let's start.
Speaker 19 (38:18):
It's the first light where we've seen for about one
hundred and fifty two hundred yards fight just definitely call
there's some type of strange.
Speaker 17 (38:26):
Fish and red light and still I saw I y'll
look in in it.
Speaker 19 (38:29):
Too weird it it appears that you may you move
a little bit this way. It's better than aspect hill.
It's coming this way. It's definitely coming his way.
Speaker 16 (38:44):
It goes back out into the farmer's field directly overhead
a very high speed. At least fifteen people in the
weapons storage areas saw the objects in the sky, one.
Speaker 17 (38:55):
Front, one left each kind bykes off. You're something very
very strange. It's better than aspat.
Speaker 16 (39:05):
I said, let's try and approach it. We move up
to the edge of the forest and when we tried
to get close, it went back out into the field.
It knew we were trying to get close.
Speaker 17 (39:24):
Harry comes from the sop. He's not a turist now
because it.
Speaker 16 (39:28):
Sparks are coming off so bright.
Speaker 5 (39:31):
It was like looking at the sun.
Speaker 4 (39:34):
The ground.
Speaker 16 (39:35):
This is beyond anything that work from where with.
Speaker 7 (39:37):
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Speaker 4 (39:43):
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know smoke a lot of greine, need a weed play,
didn't take a lean with a lean and steeping on
the g is a bean back. I've been going gene
because of cool.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
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bits of superty, show Snee top ton avert.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
Riding, then you well, you can kind of being down
and saying the park.
Speaker 17 (40:07):
We've been a down.
Speaker 3 (40:08):
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Speaker 1 (40:15):
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