Roundtable Discussion

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, who do we get here? We got this pain? Lindsay, No,
it's not the famous pain. Lindsay, it's not.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Actually it's his doppelganger.

Speaker 1 (00:08):
What do you do on the show?

Speaker 3 (00:10):
Nothing, I just you know, I'll let you guys do
all the work and I just take the credit for it,
you know, preferred method, the Hollywood.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Way to the show. Yeah, welcome to the bonus the
show within the show.

Speaker 3 (00:22):
Yeah, the round table, except for it's square. It's well rectangle.
But yeah, yeah, true, they can see it. Yeah, I
was bad at you can't geometry?

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Right? Is that geometry? It is?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
I think it's okay. Yeah, Dylan doesn't know for sure.

Speaker 1 (00:40):
Math.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
One thing Dylan's definitely bad at in terms of math
is adding up helium particles.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Yeah. Right, turns out there's a lot of them.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
It turns out you need ten x what you thought
you needed.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
We start to fill it up.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
Is it going in there?

Speaker 1 (01:00):
It's filling, It's looking great. I'm getting really excited. Yeah,
my confidence up percent. This is totally gonna work alright,
really quick. Then all of a sudden, sh the helium
tank just fizzles out.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
Didn't think like the whole time that you were driving
that the car was gonna blow up because of these
big ass yeah helium tanks.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Driving through the mountains in Arizona with the big ass
helium tank in the back just bouncing around. I cracked
the windows though, So I like how the guy is.
The guy was like, you don't know anything about this,
and I'm not gonna help you strap this down or anything.
You just throw it. We'll just throw it in there,
let it roll around. It's like, you're an American, you
want to buy some helium? You got it.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
He's like, you've never done this before, right, And you're
like yet correct.

Speaker 2 (01:48):
He's like cool, I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (01:49):
Give him some empty fucking canisters at helium then, and
we're flows on Sundays, So fuck.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Off, I'm convincing what happened? Yeah, so what are we
doing today? Well? We should We kind of need to
figure that out. We need to figure out what this
show is going to be about. And when better time
to figure it out than right now? That's true. I
think we should do it on UFOs.

Speaker 3 (02:13):
Oh yeah, what if we like talked about UFOs as
an after show of the UFO podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:23):
Just a coincidence?

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Smart?

Speaker 1 (02:27):
I dig that? Have you ever seen an alien?

Speaker 2 (02:30):
No, I wish have you seen an alien?

Speaker 1 (02:34):
Maybe I am an alien? Maybe we're all alien?

Speaker 3 (02:36):
Pain?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
You know, pain is an alien.

Speaker 3 (02:39):
I'd never said that I wasn't an alien. I didn't
say that I was either, but I didn't say it wasn't.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
We'll find out.

Speaker 3 (02:46):
Also, what if I was an alien? I just didn't
know it? What if we were all aliens and we
didn't know.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
It's what I'm saying, it's probably the case.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
Bring the weed out. Let's let's let's talk about this.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Maybe we talk about I feel like if you listen
to this podcast asked, then you know, episode one through
eight we go through different stories with interviews and accounts
from people that we all met and talked to in
real life. Maybe we just expand on some of those
stories and talk about I don't know, maybe even some
of the theories we had that didn't make it into

(03:17):
the end of the story, or a little side note
that might be kind of interesting, you know, yeah, something, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
I'll start I think, uh, I think his healing take
with was seeking Yeah that episode five six or something?

Speaker 3 (03:32):
Ye?

Speaker 1 (03:32):
Yeah six.

Speaker 3 (03:33):
The funny part about that is is you were I mean,
it was not for the show. You were very, very
disappointed in yourself. You were upset. I thought it was hilarious,
and I did feel bad for you, and I didn't
laugh in your face, but I was like, this is
so fucking funny.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
You bought me a drink at the bar later, and
I did helped the lot, I'll say.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
And you you just thought this was over, you know,
you had you had failed, and I mean you did
fail on the little part of it, but I was like, no,
this was like, this was an experiment.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
I think that we still use this.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
It's actually interesting to me that we put all this time, money,
and effort into trying to create a hoax and we
did fail. Now, I think on a round two we
would undoubtedly put something in the sky that looks like
a UFO, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (04:19):
But it took a It was a trial and error.

Speaker 3 (04:21):
We're in the right spot with the right materials, and
all kind of weird shit went into it, and we
couldn't get the fucker off the ground. You know. I
was like, Okay, well, actually that is the story that
we're putting in there because I think it actually speaks
to you know, like you were saying, I mean, it's

(04:42):
when you see something weird in the sky. Odds are
it is either some sort of optical illusion or somebody
you know, went through a lot of effort to put
it up there to look like that, or maybe it's
actually something, you know, some sort of anomaly, some sort
of unknown craft. I think, you know, despite our you know,

(05:03):
failed efforts at getting a UFO in the sky, I
think we learned the lesson of, hey, maybe some of
those things you're seeing in the sky are actually weird totally.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
I mean, that was my big takeaway. You know. It's like,
as sad as it was to not get it off
the ground, I really, at the end of the day,
in hindsight, I'm kind of glad we didn't, you know,
because it taught that better lesson, which is like, there
is this huge level of effort that goes into making
these things and making them really work, and we couldn't
do it. You know, we tried. I tried my damnedest,
I really did. Couldn't do it. And for me, you

(05:33):
know that that adds some level of credence to a
lot of these claims of things that float around. You know,
you see them all the time, and I think it
just it takes away a little bit of people's ability
to be able to say like, no, that's man made,
you know, because it's hard. It's really hard to do. Yeah,
And there's really two camps that I've seen on the
Internet where it's like, you either believe I mean, obviously

(05:55):
there's gray area, but you you believe in everything that
you see. Every video no matter how shitty is a UFO,
or you don't believe in every video no matter how convincing,
is not a UFO, and it can't be a UFO.

Speaker 3 (06:08):
I think we'd like, I don't think anyone should blindly
believe anything. I think that that is a problematic, especially
if you're trying to solve something. If you're trying to
figure something out, you cannot just believe whatever is the
most comfortable for you to believe. That's not a very
scientific approach to something that has a lot of questions. Still,

(06:28):
so I think that, you know, for high strange I
try to stay as objective as possible and kind of test,
you know, like bringing in someone like Mick West, who
is known on the Internet as being someone who is
a major debunker of claims, and from what I can tell,
most of the time he's right. You know, there's a

(06:51):
lot of things on the Internet that look like something
and it turns out to be nothing, So you can't
just blindly believe everything you see. But there are some
stories that are harder to debunk and have never been debunked,
and that was kind of my focus on when it
came to picking the stories and the cases to cover

(07:11):
in the series. I wanted to focus on those the
most because those are the ones that still have a
lot of questions to them and maybe if we just
attempt to find some answers to those, we'll learn more
about it in that process. So let's just start with
episode one, right, which was kind of an introduction to
the series, but we touched on Roswell for a second,

(07:34):
and to be honest, I always thought Roswell was totally
just some bullshit, you know, because that's the one you
hear all the time, you know, Roswell, New Mexico, And like,
you know, for years people have thought that a spaceship
crashed there, but they've never.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Been able to prove it.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
So I was like, you know, this is just one
of those urban legends at this point. But as I
went through all the information, I realized that undoubtedly something
had to have happened because of the response that was there.
There's no way that this flimsy, tiny weather balloon that

(08:16):
looks like I mean tinfoil fell in the middle of
the desert and caused all this uproar that wouldn't make
any sense. No one would even know about it. Something
had to have happened to spark the attention. Now, maybe
it went you know, the game of telephone went too
far over the years, and it wasn't as crazy as

(08:37):
we thought. But there's no way that it was just
this flimsy, tinfoil looking weather balloon, and then that's it.
If it was that clear cut, I wouldn't be talking
about it right now. And so to me that was interesting.
Just going back, you'd have to say that all these
people are lying. So many people, and I bet some

(08:59):
of them are lying, but power and numbers. You get
enough people saying something, it makes you at least want
to listen and dissect it some more and consider it
as an option. I mean, what was your take on
the Roswell incident.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
I mean, I was kind of the same way I
guess I was. I leaned towards not believing it. I
didn't I didn't think it was complete bullshit like growing up,
but I was like, you know, there's a big chance
that never happened and that was not real or anything
like that. But yeah, like you said, which happened with
a lot of the stories. Researching these stories for this show,
there was so many times where I was like, Wow,

(09:39):
the further I dive into this, the more I believe it,
the more like circumstantial evidence adds up that I'm like, wow,
this hold on. There's affidavits of people who were there.
There's a rancher that's all part of the crash. Then
there's another person like I think a mile or two
away that had some in his in his yard or whatever.
And it's the more you read about you're like, well,

(10:02):
wait a minute. The Army put out a broadcast saying
that they recovered a flying disc, and it's like, why
would they do that if? Is that misinformation? And then
that goes too far into conspiracy world where it's like,
that's a crazier conspiracy to me than the Roswell crash
and it being.

Speaker 3 (10:17):
I feel like, you know, the original broadcast that they
recovered a flying disc either, that was just a mistake
in terms of how they described it, just an innocent like,
why'd you say disc? And then it became some huge
thing after that or it was the truth. I don't
think that was I think it was nothing deeper than that.

(10:37):
But you'd you'd you'd want to think if the military
is putting out a statement, you know, to concerned citizens
of New Mexico and beyond of this crash that happened
in the desert, that they would get the wording right
because a disc is extremely different than a tenfoil flimsy balloon.

Speaker 1 (11:04):
Right, So.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
I don't know, But you also make the argument that
you know, somebody flubbed and you know, just used a
word that maybe they shouldn't have, not thinking that it
would not thinking it would cause some crazy conspiracy theories
for decades after that.

Speaker 2 (11:21):
And it's just as simple as that.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
But then you'd also have to add in that all
these people would follow suit and create this narrative that's
all bullshit, but somehow connects to itself.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
This is back in when was it was it?

Speaker 1 (11:38):
Okay, nine, I've got some dates for you. So this
happened July of nineteen forty seven, right, yeah, okayeah forty
seven Okay, And then air Force was created in September
of forty seven. It seems strange to me that, you know,
it was all like Army I think originally, and then

(11:58):
they're like, let's make a specialized branch. I'm sure they
had a type of air force that was like the
Army Air Force or whatever. Like how they have the
Navy Air Force or whatever, the Air Force Navy. I
don't know. I'm not good with the military. But creating
a specialized branch for the air Force the same year
as Roswell seems strange to me, Like, I don't know,
And wasn't the guy at Area fifty one he just

(12:19):
kept talking about nineteen forty seven and how like special
that date was.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, I mean, also it's nineteen forty seven. It's like
today in twenty twenty three.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
If somebody's creating a hoax or going around, you know,
spreading some lie that they experienced something extraterrestrial or paranormal,
they're usually attention seeking people, right There are people who
are trying to get your attention, and there's so many
ways to do that.

Speaker 1 (12:51):
Now.

Speaker 3 (12:52):
You can write a tweet, you can go on Instagram live,
you can go on a talk show, you can you know,
write a book all kind of shita. Then if you're
living in some small town of Roswell in New Mexico,
which I've been there, it's still small.

Speaker 2 (13:07):
It had to have been even smaller back then, way smaller.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
You're like yelling into a void that something crazy happened.
I just don't see if you were doing that to
get attention. I just don't see how they would even
have got that attention back then. It would have just
been very unsatisfying for someone who, you know, would be
making it up for their own gratification.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
Yeah, to what end, you know, me to what ends?
Right at the time, you know, just sad the stage
in the nineteen forties, late nineteen forties, we enter World
War Two in like the peak of it is like
nineteen forty five, nineteen forty six, you know, so you're
seeing the beginning of the Great the second Great War.
The whole world is changed by this. But the first time,

(13:52):
at least an American pop culture that you start to
hear these accounts of these flying discs. You know, this
term flying disc came from I'm just a random pilot
in America who was flying over some mountains somewhere in
you know, the Midwest, and you know, made a report
that he saw like a fleet of flying saucer shaped

(14:12):
like plate shaped discs that were just flying around like
in a V shape, you know, which is a weird
thing for a pilot to say, especially at that time.
It's really bizarre. But then you can see how something
like that which might blow up in popular culture in
nineteen forty five, when granted, there's not a lot of
really interesting things happen in nineteen forty five, at least
media wise. You know, you mean, it wasn't cool in

(14:34):
nineteen forty five, You wouldn't think so.

Speaker 3 (14:37):
Actu's quite cooler because there's less bullshit to deal with
on the Internet.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
Sure, it didn't exist, there was no Internet. Yeah, but
I mean you can imagine, you know, how how pop
culture would take this idea of something like a flying
disc and then just kind of run rampant with it.
And you could see how that could spread over a
year or two to where nineteen forty seven, all of
a sudden, the military is somebody in the military, some
media rep in the middle. Arry says, we've maybe we

(15:01):
finally saw this enigma of these flying discs that have
been in our airspace during World War Two they are
called the foo fighters, and pilots all over the world
saw these things and they called them the flying discs
foo fighters at the times, well before UFO was a term.
So you can imagine that the army might get a
hold of something like this and say, we've recovered one
of these flying discs. Maybe we can now get to
the very bottom of it.

Speaker 3 (15:21):
Oh shit, idea, was just touch this remote? I touched it,
I breathed.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
I don't know which one? Oh whoa? All right, what woo?

Speaker 1 (15:30):
Moving around getting all excited talking about aliens.

Speaker 3 (15:33):
Here's the thing. You have an excellent point on Roswell.
I think undoubtedly that all these reports of flying discs
happening in the forties and in that timeframe have over
time influenced the Hollywood trope image of a UFO flying

(15:57):
saucer and probably not probably probably definitely influenced people's accounts
of seeing stuff that is odd in the sky. But
I also think that it simultaneously exists with a real phenomena.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
They can both be true. That's the thing.

Speaker 3 (16:19):
I think that all these stories have influenced what people
claim to see, and I would say, for probably even
a majority of weird sightings, they're probably something super normal.
But I think there are some that are not easily
explained away that could likely be extraterrestrials or some other

(16:43):
intelligence beyond Earth.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
And it's not that black and white.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
It's easier to look at this topic of UFOs and
aliens in a very black and white sense, but I
don't think it's that simple.

Speaker 2 (16:58):
You know, it can all be true as well.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
It could be true that a lot of them are fake,
and it could be true that some of them are real.
And if you're someone who doesn't want to believe, you're
going to focus on the ones that are easily debunked.
If you're someone who wants to believe, you're going to
focus on the other ones. But it's like, how do
we like meet in the middle and recognize that they

(17:23):
both can coexist and that there likely is something else
that we haven't been able to scientifically explain yet that
we'll probably be explained at some point in human history.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
I hope.

Speaker 2 (17:36):
So I really I didn't stay our lifetime.

Speaker 3 (17:39):
I just said human history, which I hope that's you
know that we're a part of that one.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
But shit, it could be a long time. I have
no idea.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
It could be. It could be tomorrow. That's what they
say on Twitter. It's coming soon.

Speaker 2 (17:50):
You just wait. I actually know everything. I'm just parsoning
it out.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
Oh that's right. Yeah, some insiders reached out to you recently,
right they did.

Speaker 3 (17:58):
Yeah, the men in black visit. It's hit my house.
They were super cool. We had cocktails, spoke cigars and
we just kind of shot the shit, right, and uh yeah,
they told me everything. But they said, hey, look, don't
tell them all at once. String them along a little bit, right,
Tell them every day that something big is coming next,

(18:19):
and say that until you die. Yeah, and then right
before you die, say some shit and then make up
the rest and then just confuse everybody.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
And everybody will say it was a deathbed confession, so
it must be the truth.

Speaker 2 (18:30):
It has to be the truth.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
Those always confuse me though, that the deathbed confession, Like
it's that you're like last two road, I'd be like,
before I take my last breath, I'm gonna fuck with
y'all so hard, I'm gonna say some crazy shit.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
It's not a bad way to go.

Speaker 3 (18:47):
All Aliens and roswal You're like, Okay, what the hell, dude, Like,
he's not even alive.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
To get a kick out of that.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
I was always like, when I'm old, when I'm ninety
years old in hospice or whatever, if I make there,
I'm gonna do heroin. That was always my thing, which
I don't know why what. It's like, Well, what's going
to happen? You're gonna die? Who cares? Right, that's true,
that's true. Yeah, I want to I want to try it.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, if you're like ninety years old or above and
you're in your deathbed, every drug should be legal.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
They should.

Speaker 3 (19:22):
The doctors should go in there with this briefcase like
out of pulp fiction and be like, what you want
any of it? All of it, and they'll say, hey,
this one might kill you, and they're like, that's all good.
If you don't want to die yet, then maybe they
shouldn't do that. But you should able to sign a
waiver that says, yeah, like I want to try LSD

(19:42):
or you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I want to do LSD and heroin if I'm on
my deathbed same time time.

Speaker 3 (19:49):
You might solve all the world's problems, but then you die,
so you wouldn't.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
Yeah, what matter?

Speaker 1 (19:54):
It'd be a fun last ten minutes if I make
it that long.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
So let's go.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
Let's jump from episode one to episode two. Travis Walden
is the entire episode pretty much.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
How long has it been there?

Speaker 4 (20:08):
Forty five years? Forty five years and three months.

Speaker 1 (20:17):
But some things don't change, you know what.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
Some things about it haven't gotten any easier at all.
I wish that this had never happened. It's not been
a good thing for my life, for my family in
some ways, they don't even see the real me.

Speaker 3 (20:39):
You know, what are you all thoughts on Travis Walton.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I'd like to ask you guys, because you guys were
both there for the interview and I was in there,
so okay, just from your perspective, I mean, you guys
met him that you talked to him for hours, Like
what was what were your thoughts about him? Like when
you met him, I mean it seemed like he was
completely lying and not No I'm kidding, No, I one
hundred percent believed him, like I that was one of
the ones, definitely be When we were doing the research

(21:07):
for the show and Paine was like, Hey, I'm thinking
this case, this case, this case, I was like, I
don't know about abduction stuff. You know, I was most
on the fence about not even on the fence. I
was on the other side of the fence. I was like, Nah,
I don't know about abductions. I don't think they're real.
I don't see how anyone can believe these. After sitting
there and talking to it or list recording him, I

(21:28):
have one hundred percent believed him, Like there's no way
or he's the biggest scam artist I've ever read about
research anything with. He's like world record holder scammer. If
that's true, What was it that really like won your
mind over? What convinced you that he was telling the
truth honestly, Just the way he was talking, the way

(21:51):
he was so sincere, the way he was apprehensive about
even coming to us, Like he wasn't like excited to
talk to us. I don't think he. If he had
the choice, I think he if he was not as
nice of a person, I don't think he would have
done it.

Speaker 2 (22:05):
He definitely didn't want to talk to us. No fact, it.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
Seemed like he was reliving drama one and it seemed
like he didn't want to talk about it, and it
just seemed like it wasn't comfortable for him, like all
of it.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 3 (22:20):
I mean when I read the story on the internet first,
I was like, this is so batshit crazy that I
want to talk to the person who's claiming this happened
to them. Like I felt like, no matter what, that's
going to be interesting if someone's making this totally bizarre,
wild claim, you know, all these years later too, Like

(22:45):
what's he going to say about it now?

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Right?

Speaker 3 (22:47):
And so that was just my you know, general interest
at first, but I guess I was kind of taken
aback by how serious he was about it, Like, to me,
it the way that he told the story to us,
the way, you know, the way he was emotionally when
he was telling it, those were all signs of something

(23:10):
that I've seen before in someone who's had, you know,
reliving something that was traumatic that happened to them. So
even if he did make it all up, it's like
he's somehow reliving this story today telling us it like

(23:30):
it's a memory.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
And you know, it's one of.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
Those stories where it's so out there it's almost just
easy to dismiss on the surface, but there's so many
different parts to it. And I've seen people online who
you know, are like he's lying, blah blah blah blah blah,
and like, you know, somebody said, uh, I don't know

(23:54):
where it was that. You know, he's been proven to
have lied. Uh. They actually made all this up because
they were about to lose their logging contract. I'm like,
that's not fucking true. It isn't I've researched this case
pretty hard. That isn't true, and that's not a good
enough reason two for forty plus years keep up some

(24:18):
crazy lie. They don't even work out there anymore. They
don't even do that anymore.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
How much were they even? I feel like they weren't
even making that much money to like, it wasn't like
a there's.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
No way a logger in nineteen seventy five in Snowflake,
Arizona is making shit tons of money. I mean, I
don't have the statistics, but I wouldn't even need to
look like if I'm dead wrong then that would be interesting.

Speaker 2 (24:47):
But that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Yeah, there's no way. There's no way. And also just
all of them lying to the police when it got serious.
That's like something I found out after the travel want
an interview that was like okay, well, this back's it
even more like, why would they do that? Why would
they all lie about this? Five different accounts or six accounts.

Speaker 3 (25:09):
You're seven total if you're counting Travis. Yeah, so I've
landed on this as a theory. You know, I'll never
know for certain if Travis is telling the truth about
what he experienced, because I wasn't there. There's nothing he
can tell me to really prove it entirely, and there's
nothing I can do to really disprove it at this point.

(25:30):
But I think that if Travis is making it up,
he's only making up the part where he's on the spaceship.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
I think that without.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
A doubt, all these people on the logging crew definitely
saw something weird in the sky, and Travis did run
out there, and then they left and came back and
Travis was gone. So if he's making it up, it
started right then. And then you have to think about, Okay,
if he did make it up, did he just seize

(26:00):
the opportunity? Was he like, oh man, we did see
some UFO looking thing in.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
The sky that spooked us.

Speaker 3 (26:07):
Do I hide out for five days and come back
with this crazy story? That's one way, but it's just
hard to explain where he was, and I think that
genuinely his other crew members didn't know where he was,
so he had been tricking them too. And then you'd
have to say, okay, well where was he His brother

(26:29):
and his mother were genuinely looking for him, so were
they in on it too?

Speaker 1 (26:34):
Where did he hide for five days? Like what happened?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Or did something strike him and he went into some
comba state and then just came too, Like that would
make more sense than him just saying cool, they're gone,
All right, what's my story? I'm going to live off
the land for five days and then come back with
this crazy story?

Speaker 2 (26:55):
What for? What? Why?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Yeah? It's not even like media was that big back then,
Like there wasn't like a CNN that he could go on,
you know at that time, right, like there wasn't this
huge thing where he's like, Oh, I'm gonna make it big,
I'm gonna be on all the shows and we had right,
was he gonna be on Johnny Carson? Like no?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
What? No?

Speaker 1 (27:15):
I would be interested to see, knowing the internet this
has to exist somewhere, but I'd be interested to see
sort of a breakdown of when he started telling the
different aspects of his story on a timeline, like I'd
like to see when if his story has evolved over
the years, or if he's told the same story the
same way for what fifty odd years, Like I'm really

(27:36):
interested if if his story is made up in response
to people pushing back on him, or if even like
his first accounts to the police, told the entire story
as he tells it today. You know, I think that
would bring a lot of credence to his his accounts.
For myself anyway, I don't think he's really changed any
details throughout the years.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
Not really nothing major where you know you'd be caught
in some lie. If anything, I think certain parts have
become more descriptive. Yeah I was gonna say that, which
I mean, he could be embellishing those parts, and you know,
he's just adding to the story where it's like the
classic grandpa talking about walking uphill both ways to school

(28:15):
in the snow, and there's always a new detail.

Speaker 2 (28:17):
You're like, bullshit, or how big was that fish?

Speaker 3 (28:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Was it this big? Or was it this big?

Speaker 3 (28:22):
It's like there could be some of that going on,
but doesn't take away the fact the basic elements of
the story that he was on some spaceship.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
That's like that part's never changed.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
Yeah. Honestly, what I noticed because after we recorded him,
I listened to the tape and then I went back
to the times he said it before. For that exact reason,
I was like, let me see if he changed his story,
you know, coming from the true crime world's what we
would do. We'd listen to how did you tell it
to dateline? And then how are you telling it to us?
And is there any weirdness with your story right now?

(28:53):
Is there something you're caught you in that lie? There
was nothing he told. Did he talk to Barbara Walters?
I don't remember now, but he told somebody in the
nineties a couple more details. I'm like, oh, dang, he
didn't even like he didn't even say that to us,
But like.

Speaker 3 (29:09):
There wasn't an outlet like you'd have now to tell
that story, like immediately in seventy five, in the middle
of nowhere Arizona.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (29:17):
One of my thoughts was if he made it up,
I just think that's such a big commitment that would
be your life.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Now.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
He had to commit when he was in his early
twenties that I'm going to go the rest of my
life with this as my identity. And maybe you know,
he did make it up and he regretted doing that
in his thirties, but had to stick with it because
he didn't want to be, you know, labeled a liar.
But man, what a big commitment. And one more thing

(29:51):
about this story is that there's not a lot of
these stories, right. There's not a lot of cases of
people of a mass sighting of different people who were
not that close of what seems to be a real
UFO in the sky and then someone being missing for
a period of time with a very bizarre story at

(30:15):
the end. Now there's other cases where a lot of
people saw something, but like there's probably like five cases
total where it's like this locked up, So it's it's
an anomaly either way. It's interesting because of those elements.
If Travis just came out of the woods himself and

(30:37):
said this story, I'd have less reason to believe him.

Speaker 2 (30:41):
It's because of.

Speaker 3 (30:42):
All of his coworkers who were there who claim to
see the same thing, who were then under suspicion for murder,
That to me is gives credence to it.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
So if he was tricking anyone, he was tricking them first.

Speaker 1 (30:58):
Yeah, And going off of that, started reading a book.
I think it's by Robert Mack. It might be John Mack,
I can't remember, but it's a book all about abductions.
And once I started believing Travis's story and like, hey,
this I think he was abducted, not saying it's aliens,
not saying it's I don't know what it was, but like,
maybe it's people that abducted him. Maybe it is some

(31:20):
secret government thing that abducted him and did experiments too deep.
I don't think it was that. But then I started
looking at all these other abduction cases where it was
just a single person doing the same thing and like
the in hypnosis with regressive therapy and having very similar
things happen and seeing similar beings. And the author of

(31:42):
that book, when I started reading it, he kind of
goes into like I'm talking to people who have never
talked to each other, never put their story out there,
like it's not public knowledge, and they're saying the same thing.
They're they're having the same kind of encounters. So either
this is like a sleep paralysis type thing where it's like, oh,
we all see the same thing, or like when people
trip on DMT. They all see the machine elves or

(32:03):
whatever they are, and it's like something just locked deep
in our brain that like gets unlocked at this point.
But like it is really weird to be a strange
coincidence if all these people saw similar beings and there's
like it's like narrowed down to like a few different
types of beings and then they do kind of the
same thing. It's like these weird medical things with like

(32:24):
experimentations with tools we've never seen before, but like kind
of a focus on reproductive stuff. I know. It's it's
strange when you add it all up.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Even if he had some like if he had some
hypnosis like episode out there, not hypnosis, if he had
some sort of paralysis episode out there, the fuche state,
the fugue state, right then he would have had to
stumble far enough out of sight where when they pretty
much very quickly came back to look for him and
he wasn't there, and then somehow not kill himself in

(32:57):
all those days in the woods, and then come too
with the story that he believes that just is a
very big pill to swallow.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
If you're taking like that would be.

Speaker 3 (33:10):
That would be crazier to me, that could be what happened,
But that is fucking crazy, like seriously.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
Yeah, it doesn't make any sense to me. Yeah, it's
a crazy story. You know. You can go down this
rabbit hole of like what are the aliens? What's their
purpose here? Or people seeing the same aliens or they
seeing different aliens from different galaxies.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
You know.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
It's once this idea of like these sci fi elements
or aliens gets into the like public zeitgeist, and everybody
starts to think about it, everybody starts to build on them.
And you could argue that a lot of these like
abduction cases, even Travis Waltens is maybe he saw some
sci fi film, you know, and he saw something like that.
He saw some aliens and an old the daylier stood

(33:51):
still in like nineteen fifties or whatever, and he just
formulates a story around it and then just sticks to it.
And he tells it once and it's out there, it's
in the zeitgeist, and he has to stick to it forever,
and he can embellish it as the years go on,
but he knows that it becomes more and more it
becomes harder to disprove his story. The longer he tells it,

(34:11):
and because he's been telling it for so long, it's
hard to disprove. You know, he's made it bulletproof, he's
built the walls around it, he's made it perfect. And
there's always in this subject, there's always two sides, you know,
like you're always gonna have evidence for either you're gonna
have evidence that he says this or she says that,
But then also somebody on the other side that's always

(34:32):
going to be able to disprove whatever they say. And
that's the hardest thing about researching this is like is
the evidence you have good? Is it made up by
somebody on the internet? Is it usable? Can you build
on it? And you just never really truly know. I mean,
no matter how much information you have, you can never
really know if it's the truth.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
One of the problems I think is people instinctually need
some sort of deeper reason behind everything. You know, they
start asking the questions like you just posed, why are
they here, what are they doing? What do they want
from us? And I think that's such a naive take.
I think that you're overlooking all the things that are important.

(35:13):
If we're talking about some advanced intelligence, then that has
to be accounted for.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
When you're thinking about it, It's like if we're.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
If we're in elementary school and there's twenty kids out
there playing on the playground, and nineteen of them are
super big for their age, and could you know, beat
any of the other kid's asses, and there was one
smaller kid who hadn't had his growth spurt yet.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
They're not going to all just pick on that kid.

Speaker 3 (35:49):
So like, I feel like the idea of the fear
of them wanting to do something to us, I think
is a little bit I know, I guess unwarranted.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
And I also think that it's how do I say this?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Like, I think that we want there to be some
special reason because we're so used to being at the
top of the food chain. We need there to be
some you know, romantic reason as to why they're here,
as if we're going to just join forces and take

(36:27):
over the universe together. I think that if you're coming
from a place that's so far away we can't see
it or close by, and we can't see it in
crafts that we can't mimic what they do, then you
already won. It's like, you know, the car has been

(36:49):
around for how long like that was like a nineteen
hundred thing, like it really became a thing.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
It's like, we're way so far behind that that.

Speaker 3 (36:58):
It's just almost it's silly to think that they would
want anything from us.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
What would they want? What would we have to offer water?

Speaker 3 (37:11):
I mean, like, for real, I think that you gotta
and I don't know anything. But it's such a small
minded take to feel like if there's some advanced civilization
out there that they owe us anything, or that they
would be interested in us to the point where we're

(37:35):
going to sit down and have tea and talk about something.
They're like, look, we already know all that shit. We
know that you guys don't know that shit yet we're
not even going to talk about it because you won't
even believe us. And if we showed ourselves to the world,
we already know that you guys would probably end up

(37:56):
killing yourselves because it would just dismantle a lot of
our fundamental beliefs.

Speaker 2 (38:02):
If they're that advanced, they would.

Speaker 3 (38:04):
Know that, they would Yeah, we would know that if
it was the other way around, right, absolutely, So it's
I think that's what it is. And and shit, they
may have seen that before. They may have you know,
gone to the planet. Oh, yeah, don't touch that. It's
like the same thing of like there being some you know,
part of a national park where it's like, don't go
in there, don't touch those plants. You know, this is

(38:26):
like a sacred you know, don't mess up their environment
in the swamp.

Speaker 2 (38:30):
It's, you know, same idea.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
It's like if you do, will be a ripple effect
and the animals are gonna die.

Speaker 2 (38:37):
Right, It's like a what's the word for.

Speaker 1 (38:40):
That, the the like a quarantine.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
No, Like it's like sacred.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
It's like a reserve, yes, nature reserve, a nature reserve, Yeah,
sacred nature. Sacred nature reserve, one of those. It's sacred. No,
But I mean it's it's like, yeah, a nature reserve.
You can't touch anything, you can't get too close to it.
They don't want humans fucking it up. I would think

(39:05):
that the aliens would probably think the same way. We're
not gonna go fuck shit up. And it's just super
naive to think that they would need anything from us
when clearly they figured out how to go here and
back for thousands of years without us knowing for sure
they exist. So I mean that kind of says it all. Yeah,

(39:31):
or we're just insane and we think there's aliens and
there's not.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Who knows. That'd be disappointing though, yeah, yeah, that would suck.
I mean, it could it could be other things though.
It could be another dimension, It could be some kind
of paranormal thing. It could be who knows, it could
be us from I mean, that's a big theory, is
that there was a huge apocalyptic disaster, Like let's say
that's what like the flood with Noah's Ark was like

(39:58):
talking about, right that a whole earth flooded at one point,
the smartest of society left. They fleed because they're like,
oh shit, the world's we're having a problem. But they
had like advanced technology back then. All got wiped away,
all the evidence of it. We got a couple of
people writing little scriptures about it, but they don't really
you know, it gets translated over time. It's telephone, game

(40:21):
and telephone. But then they come back they're like, oh shit,
they're dumb again.

Speaker 3 (40:27):
It's like, damn, these guys haven't grown up at all.
They do have a cool new car, though that lambow
looks pretty sick, but anyway, it's boying like here's what.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Out of my spaceship, it's possible. Elon this shit's dope.
Your shit sucks well.

Speaker 1 (40:46):
And then so you know, this has been a theory
I've been going with for a while. I've talked to
Dylan about this. But this started happening in the forties, right,
we started seeing these and that's probably around when commercial
flights became a thing, or that's when we started bugging
around up there, right, So more often like they're like,
maybe they're like, well, what are they doing down there

(41:07):
or whatever. Let's say they're in the ocean, Like, what's
going on up there? How did they get up there?
Are they advancing? Let's not touch them? Like you said,
it's a sacred reserve.

Speaker 3 (41:16):
So there's probably an alien or a group of aliens
and a UFO at some point, and like the thirties
or forties and was like, oh shit, look at that thing.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
What are they doing up here? They're like, oh damn it,
they figured that part out.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
Well, gotta treat this shit differently from this point forward,
and then eventually we're up there all the time. Yeah,
it's like that would that would have been a place
that we would never be because we didn't even know
how to go there or know that we could go
there eventually.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
Yeah, and all the stuff in the past, if you
look at it, pretty much every religion stuff comes from
the sky right before we could fly, way before we
could fly. They're like, there's stuff up there in the
heavens and the above us, angels, whatever, all the gods, Greek,
it's whatever. They're all up there, right. Maybe they saw more,
maybe that it's like maybe they were zipping around up

(42:06):
there at one point, and then we just had leftover
stories from that. Now that once we started going up,
they're like, oh, we got to kind of hide out
a little bit. We need to get away, but let's
not get spotted by them. Let's let them figure out
their thing.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Yeah, what are our thoughts on the new stuff, the
new reports, the modern day maybe pilot sightings, the stuff
that the Pentagon's talking about, you know, the genesis of
the UFO Task Force. What are our thoughts on these

(42:39):
modern day incidents that are sparking a conversation in twenty three.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
So I think it's interesting because I don't even know
if I describe them as modern day incidents, you know,
I think it's the same stuff we've always been seeing.
I think what makes this unique is that for the
first time, the government is acknowledging it. You know, they're
acknowledging that they're recording these things off the coasts of America,
off the Navy ships or fighter pilots are recording these

(43:07):
really crazy videos of things that none of them can explain,
you know. And I like to think that this stuff
has always been happening. This is nothing new, maybe even
for thousands of years. It's always been recorded in somebody's history.
But I think what's interesting about this and what's unique
is that we're finally talking about it. There's a real
discussion that's taking place globally, and I think it's really
leading to like large leaps, like large things that are

(43:29):
now changing in the world, and big things are happening.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
But regardless of what happened and what didn't happen in
the last fifty years, what was true and what wasn't true,
you could just look at today's incidents in the last
ten years, totally ignore every other story you've heard about
an abduction or roswell. Just throw it out, screw it,

(43:53):
throw it out, and just look at what's happening today
and actually have a interesting and sometimes complex conversation about it,
because there's a lot of unknowns. I don't know why
the government would create a UFO Task Force if there
wasn't something interesting or abnormal about what they were seeing.

(44:18):
I don't think that they're all just big sci fi buffs.
I think that that would be ridiculous. I think that
the actual pilots themselves experienced something strange, and that's what
prompted all of this to begin with. And so you can't,
you know, you have to. If we're believing navy pilots,

(44:41):
then there's something to explore here. And I'm just curious.
You know, what's your take on the modern day stories.
You know, the tic TAC, the balloons over Alaska, you know,
all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (45:00):
I think they're in a way losing some control over
what could be leaked and what can't be leaked. Like
I think back in the sixties they had a little
more control over what was classified and what wasn't, and
now certain things are like slipping through the cracks. I
don't think it's a giant government cover up per se,
mainly because I don't think they understand it. I think

(45:21):
they know it. I think they know it's non human
intelligence or have assumed based on all of the evidence
they've collected, but they don't know what it is, or
like have an explanation for it. And how do you
tell you know, people who look up to you, who
are like, okay, what are the answers?

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Like what?

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Like you know what I mean? Like that that's how
people take it, Like okay, so there's these things in
the in our atmosphere that we don't know what they are.
We don't know who's piloting them, we don't know who's
in control of them, we don't know where they came from.
That's not like you don't want to tell people that.
Like if you're the teacher at a school, you got
a bunch of kids and like, you know, so ask

(46:00):
you something you don't know why is this guy blue?
And you're like, actually, I don't, I have no idea.
How do you explain that to them? And then how
do they look up to you for the rest of
the class and go, oh wait, I thought they were
supposed to know everything. I thought they were supposed to
have all the answers. Not saying government's expected to know
all the answers, but if they're presenting these and going, hey,
here's some slides of these things. We've been studying since

(46:22):
the fifties, since the nineteen forty seven Roswell crash, and
we still have no idea what it is. That's like
a little concerning. I mean, if they can't figure out,
they can't figure out.

Speaker 3 (46:33):
But plus, if that is the case, which it probably is,
you know, you don't want your adversaries to know that
you don't know. You're gonna want them to think that
you do know. And they're thinking the same way. They
don't want to show their hand and be like, yeah,
we have these really cool looking spaceships from nineteen forty seven,
but that thing has not turned on since then. And

(46:57):
you know, in the event that you know, Russia or
China has one too, and they've been able to turn
it on or reverse engineer it, then we just showed
our hand, or we showed that we don't know. And
now they're going to use the fact that maybe they
don't know either, but they're gonna pretend like they do.

(47:17):
And it's just like this wargame shit. It's like you
you don't want to show your hand, and that's what
you ultimately have to do. If there's ever gonna be
some disclosure of UFO alien truth, you're gonna have to
say that this stuff exists. We know for sure, it's
not from Earth. It's more advanced. We've got this to work,

(47:40):
and this still isn't working. That's all we know. That's
gonna be scary to certain people. I think the younger
generation will care less about it, but it'll kind of,
you know, mess with some people's fundamental beliefs. And you
also signal to your adversaries that you don't know. And

(48:04):
I don't think any of the powerful countries in the
world are willing to do that yet totally.

Speaker 1 (48:10):
Yeah, nobody wants to show their hand. And ultimately it's
going to be a global effort for something like disclosure
to really happen, to really come out totally. And I
think I think we live in a time now where
we have all the tools necessary at our disposal to
make something like that happen. We have the Internet, We
have the ability to where anyone can talk to anyone.
We can get the data together, we can share it,

(48:31):
we can repost it, we can talk about it, we
can discuss it, and you know, you see these communities
like Reddit, where a lot of cool stuff comes out,
you know, government sanctioned things. There was something that came
out that Jeremy corbell I sent you guys last night.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Late last Yeah, watched that video.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
It's cool. It was like, it's supposedly it's pretty weird.
Supposedly it's a leaked video from Congress from the UAP
Task Force showing one of the UFOs in the ocean
captured by you know, one of our navy destroyers. But
that just goes to show, you know, it's like, I personally,
I'm not sure that the government or the military or
the people who should be leading disclosure. I really think
if it's ever going to come out because of all

(49:06):
those things, because of governments not wanting to lose control
or show their hands, I don't think they'll ever give
us everything. They'll give us pieces. Disclosure is of no importance.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
If you're someone in the government now, as the citizen,
you would say, yes, it is, we should know the truth.
But they gain nothing by telling you that they don't
know anything. They lose something, They lose something, and they
could stand to lose a lot. Actually, so actually I
understand it. It's just frustrating but there's no benefit in

(49:36):
disclosing anything, especially when you only have little pieces to
the puzzle.

Speaker 2 (49:40):
When you don't have everything that that is scarier.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
So what are your thoughts on the balloon extravaganza of
a few months ago? You know, my take on it
was that there was so many parts of it that
were blatantly contradictory of itself. You know, if you zoom
out and you look at what happened that week. It

(50:06):
first started with a balloon in the sky, clearly a balloon.
It was white, it was a balloon. Citizens took videos
of it. It was flying low enough to be able
to actually get like a glimpse of it, and it
was immediately determined to be a Chinese balloon. Pretty much immediately.
They shot that thing down in American fashion, and they

(50:29):
scooped that thing up out of the ocean, and they
released pictures of them scooping it out of the ocean.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
So okay, pretty straightforward.

Speaker 3 (50:38):
Then not too long after, there was reports of other
balloons anomalies in the sky. The descriptions of them were
kind of different, though, and in the course of a
couple days they shot down three more things in the
sky that they've I mean, clearly they felt like they

(50:58):
should shoot them down because as they were either not
supposed to be there or you know, I don't know,
but I look at that and I say, Okay, the
timing of those two things cannot be a coincidence. I
don't think there's some conspiracy here. I think that because
it was publicly known that there was a balloon in

(51:19):
the sky that hung out there for several days before
we did anything about it, that if there's more anomalies
in the sky, that we're gonna, you know, tell our
citizens and the rest of the world that we're gonna
have a fast response to stuff like this, and they did.
The problem is the description of the third balloon in

(51:39):
the sky is not a balloon. And I mean I
don't have it in front of me, but the way
they initially described it was kind of like the Tic tac.
It was cylindrical in shape, you know, size of the
car or bigger, moving in weird ways, and that means
they don't know what it is. Just my theory here,

(52:04):
I feel like they seize the opportunity to take that
fucker down, to take that thing down and try to
study it. It's weird how there are you know, lots
of pictures of the other balloons. There's even like a

(52:25):
twenty megapixel photo from the cockpit of one of the
jets a pilot took of this balloon, clearly being a balloon.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
It's a great shot. It looks pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (52:38):
It's a selfie. It's a selfie. I mean, that's a
badass selfie. But there is nothing at all of the
third balloon over Alaska, and.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Of any the three after. There's no Yeah, there's no photos.
It's classified. You can't even like, you can't request it.
Why would it be classified If it's the same thing
that we all saw publicly from China, why is it classified?
Or if it's you know, some you know, citizens experiment
that got out of hand, why would they ever be classified?

(53:14):
Just come out and say, guys, like it's really a
nothing burger, it's actually this unless it wasn't. So my
theory on this is that when the first Chinese balloon
flew across you know it's a surveillance balloon. It flew
across the United States, basically people were reporting it in
like Montana and stuff. They're like, oh shit, this is

(53:35):
that's actually not ours. Let's let's go ahead and wait
until it gets over the ocean. They got over the Atlantic,
they shot it down. They're like, let's, uh, maybe we
should adjust our radars a little bit, you know, dial
them into like like maybe you filter it out so
you don't pick up all these weather balloons that are
actually flying around, because there's a lot of stuff up
in the air that's just floating around. That's whether it's

(53:55):
a hobby thing or you know, a weather balloon got
bothering info. We're studying all kinds of stuff in the
sky now when they adjust it to like filter out
less and allow the smaller things like oh crap, there's
what are all these things we're seeing? And then my
theory is that they tried to shoot them down, these

(54:17):
three other objects, and they were unsuccessful and they didn't
actually shoot anything else down, but they may have got
the supposedly got well.

Speaker 3 (54:26):
There was a guy in Alaska who was taking footage
of them. They went to a place in the middle
of nowhere. I mean I'm talking about middle of nowhere
Alaska in the Arctic to recover something. So clearly they
went there because something came down, except it wouldn't be
it wasn't an easy place to get to.

Speaker 1 (54:43):
Now, what if that's a hobby balloon and you just
spent a five hundred thousand dollars missile sidewind her missile
to shoot it down. That's embarrassing. You know.

Speaker 3 (54:51):
If it was a hobby balloon, then the hobbyists would
come forward and say that was my balloon because it's missing.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
That hasn't happened.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Well one, so somebody tried. I don't remember if it
was that one or the one over the Great.

Speaker 2 (55:03):
Lakes handing back for my balloon.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
No, I think it was. I think this was the
one over the Great Lakes. But this is one thing
that happened. So somebody said. You know, of course all
the news media is like ran with it, and they're like, oh, okay,
this explains all of them. They were like, yeah, we
did have a weather balloon up around that area that
stopped the transponders stop talking to us. It may have
been ours over the Great Lakes. I'm pretty sure it

(55:26):
was the one over the Great Lakes. But they're like,
they also go down all the time, so it may
not have been ours. So maybe, but like, you don't
come looking for your balloon if you're setting up ten
of these and you're like, well, like three or four
of them are going to fall out of this guy eventually.
You don't really like, You're not like, where's my balloon?
Pay me back for my balloon? You know what I mean.
It's like it's the casualty.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
I mean, my thing is like, since when do we
shoot down balloons? I mean, I guess since a couple
months ago we do that now haven't done it since then? Though,
going back on the timeline of when those stories were
coming out, I believe it was within a twenty four
hour period that all three of those balloons, you know,

(56:08):
with quotations here, balloons were shot down, right.

Speaker 1 (56:12):
I think it was a week or three or four
days maybe, but it was like every couple days there
was another one, maybe two in a row. But I
don't it was yeah, can you yeah, I'll take you
look it up. Either way, it was within a couple
of days, right. I feel like.

Speaker 3 (56:29):
Maybe it was a good time, like it was a
it was a win win if the government actually saw
something in the sky that looked like it could be
some sort of advanced craft which could come from anywhere.
It could have it could have came from China, or Russia, right,
or you know, another planet or dimension. Who knows if

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they saw something that you know, gave those characteristics, what
a perfect time to seize that opportunity to take it down.
So maybe you take that one down and you take
down two balloons with it, and it's just super gray
now what happened? And then the media just kind of

(57:11):
stopped talking about it, because well, there's nothing more for
us to learn, you know. But I think that there's
so much you know, picture evidence of these obvious balloons,
but the most interesting one of them all that was
conveniently shot down in the middle of nowhere, Alaska. What

(57:33):
a perfect time to do that. It's like, I'm not
saying I'm not trying to speak in conspiracy theory terms.
I'm talking about, like, what an efficient time to do that.
Take down what could be some sort of advanced craft,
not saying where it's from, just an advanced craft, take
it down over the middle of nowhere, Alaska where literally

(57:53):
no citizen could get to and do it at the
same do it during the same week that these Chinese
balloons are taking over the media, and this response could
look good. It's like, Hey, we're defending our country we're

(58:14):
not gonna have just random things in the sky. We're
gonna take them down, and it's just like a win win.
And you know, that theory could be completely debunked if
we saw the photos and read the reports of what
it really was and it ended up being some commercial balloon.

(58:34):
I don't I don't have I don't have that, so
I don't know that. So I'm you know, I'm having
to speculate. But based on the initial reports of what
it looked like, how it was moving in the sky,
and the lack of information following, that makes me think that,
uh oh, I think we shot down something weirder than that,

(58:56):
and we're definitely not gonna tell you what it is
because they don't they still don't know what it is.
They're gonna have to go back channel and go with
some random guy in some department like, oh yeah, that
guy's familiar.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
With these things, whatever they are. So I don't know.

Speaker 3 (59:11):
I just find it very strange that all that happened
in the same week, and the most interesting one of
them all is the most mysterious one of them all,
with the least amount of information, the zero pictures, zero reports,
zero concrete evidence, and shot down over the most you know,

(59:34):
convenient place in America, the middle of nowhere, Alaska. We're
not a single soul is going to see what you
recover from that Arctic floor.

Speaker 1 (59:43):
Yeah, Like, you know, I really don't think it's a
coincidence that all of these things happened in the same week.
You know, if you put yourself in the perspective of
the government or the military, or even like somebody like
President Biden, you know, like you get this report of Hey,
the Chinese are flying a spycraft over America right now,
what are you going to do about it? You know,
he's going to make a second decision. He's got to

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give the military something to do. And we have this
huge military. We don't want to look globally like these
people who just let China just spy in our airspace.
We're supposed to have the greatest air force in the world.
We're supposed to have our skies locked down. So when
something like that does happen, whether or not it was
an accident by China or it was on purpose, who's
to say, but the fact is it happened.

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I've also I've said this theory to other people before,
Like just like at a bar or something, and someone
who is against the idea, their immediate response is, well,
if they're so advanced, how can we shoot them down?
Like okay, you know, good point, But I'm like, what
if what they shot down is just some you know,

(01:00:44):
basic drone thing that's unmanned that's just still out there
doing a job that it doesn't even do anymore, and
it's just like dinking around out there. I think that
an fatem could totally just go potential and they could
also miss but like it's not impossible to take it down.

(01:01:05):
I don't think it's like I'm not saying it's like
a bunch of aliens, like you know, we're at war
with them and they're like not able to dodge a missile.
I think that it's probably some sort of like like
listen to what Aviy Lobe was saying where he thinks
that some of these you know, UFOs or maybe self
generating drones from so far away, then they're just they're

(01:01:26):
still doing a thing. They could be from some civilization
that's long lost and like its mission is over and
it's just out there. It's just still works, but it's
like not really relevant anymore. And that to me would
make sense of how you could potentially shoot down some

(01:01:46):
advanced technology, not saying that's correct. Also, I'm not even
saying that the government should come forward necessarily and say
what they shot down. I'm just pointing out the fact
that I think it's more interesting than they're saying it is.
And if anything, I get kind of excited about that
because it looks like at least the government and the

(01:02:09):
military are reacting to these things.

Speaker 1 (01:02:12):
Now, admitting to reacting to them, you know, admitting to
reacting to them. They probably have been all along, sure,
but finding out about it now.

Speaker 3 (01:02:19):
Yes, And so I think that no matter what it is,
it's like, the whole point of this conversation about UFOs
is there's stuff in the sky that we don't know
what it is. So that's really all we're trying to
figure out here. You know, the idea of there being
aliens from another planet, that's a fun one. I like
that idea, but that doesn't take away from the search

(01:02:41):
or the mission that's you know, I don't want that
to necessarily be the answer. I think it's just a possibility.
And so if you start, you know, actually trying to
crack the code here and solve the mystery of the
unknown objects in the sky, then maybe you'll get closer
to finding out what some of these other anomalies are

(01:03:02):
that seemingly do stuff that defies our technology.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
Do you want to hear the timeline? I do? Okay,
So Wednesday, February first Chinese spy balloon is spotted above
Montana right February fourth, three days later shot down by
an F twenty two off the coast of South Carolina.
So three days it covered the whole US. February ninth,
first UFO is detected off coast of Northern Northern and Alaska,

(01:03:28):
the one you were talking about February tenth. That one
is shot down by an F twenty two over Dead Horse, Alaska, Saturday,
February eleventh. A day later, second UFO is shot down
by an F twenty two over Yukon, Canada. This supports
my theory. Actually it was the weird one. First. It's like, Okay,

(01:03:50):
seize the opportunity.

Speaker 3 (01:03:52):
We just shut down a balloon, shoot that fucking thing down,
whatever the hell that is, because we're responding to these
things now, and shoot down two other commercial balloons that
we can easily prove are something that's you know, completely nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:04:06):
Burger.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
The third the third one, Nora d claims it was
a radar anomaly. So is that the national.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
In all that happened in what span of time?

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
Uh? Got a week? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Not the first one? Like I don't care about the
first one that we o.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Nine eleven, twelve, Yeah, four days in February. Yeah. See,
this timeline is really important, right because like this idea
of like the Chinese weather bloom being the first, it
really shows you, like where the mindset of the military
was once they realized there was something invading our airspace
and now America knows about it, everybody in the world
knows about it. They go on high alert and they say, okay,
there's something in airspace. We need to really double our

(01:04:43):
efforts and look for anything else that's invading our airspace
right now. We need to make sure Chine is not
launching another balloon or they're not using this opportunity to
find holes in our defenses. And you can imagine in
that scenario, when they're on high alert, they're pointing everything
they have, all their radars and everything into our skies.
They start to see all these other little things popping
up at the exact same time, in the same three
day period, and they go, oh, there's another one. What

(01:05:04):
is that? We don't know what that is. Shoot it down.
Let's safe, get rid of it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:07):
You know. I want to reiterate that I don't think
that the government as a whole is all knowing or something,
and we're like, okay, like we're just going to collectively,
you know, trick our citizens into thinking this. I think
it could have been something very casual, like President Biden
there's a report of something else in the sky and
he's like, shoot it down, and they're like, well, sir,

(01:05:29):
it's actually it's kind of got characteristics of X y Z,
you know, like something that's kind of that insinuates that
it's an advanced craft of some sort. Okay, shoot it
down anyways, and then shoot down two more things while
you're at it, because like, Okay, it's like that happened

(01:05:51):
when that was February, okay, and it is mid May.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
So have there been no more balloons in this guy
since then?

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
No chance?

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
So why was it important that week and that week only?
I think because there was a balloon that showed itself
to the public that was clearly a Chinese balloon, and
the US government made that known pretty much immediately it
was shot down, and then other things were shot down

(01:06:22):
right after that. That I think were taking advantage of
the timing, and they also could have went to go
like I'm not even saying that, Like I mean, because
the president has to give the order to do.

Speaker 1 (01:06:36):
That, right, which somebody recently or not recently, during when
all this was happening, somebody went on TV and was
like a Navy pilot and said, like, it's very strange
for the president to make the call on shooting something down.
It's like that doesn't happen, that's like warshit. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:06:58):
So my point is, though I'm not even saying that
the president knew what he was shooting down. I think
that they probably didn't know exactly, but it was similar
enough to these other reports. Why is it like almost
a carbing copy description of the tic TAC it is

(01:07:23):
pull up the initial description of that thing.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
The one over Alaska. Mm hmmm, because I know him.
The he's in the word car because that's it was
like a TV or something some weird He specifically said
it was not a balloon, and then they took that out.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Of the the they report retroactively deleted that part.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
From the minutes of him talking, and when they would
easily just be like.

Speaker 3 (01:07:47):
A, oh oops, that was not really that that was
an accident, Like, you know, it's not some super it's
not some big conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
It's just a little thing you can do real quick.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
They kind of just you know, little smoke a mirror
is just enough to buy some time to figure out
this shit. Like that's what you're doing, right, Like that's
what I would do if I was in charge of
making sure they didn't know. I'm like, okay, like a
little smoke and mirrors here, you know, make sure that
line's not in the report. And some interns like are

(01:08:20):
your shirt yes? Or you're fired?

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:08:22):
Okay. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
It's weird how reminiscent it is to Roswell, you know,
like our present day roswell for a new age. You know,
it's super similar. But it's crazy to think like a
little word change like that could have huge ramifications, like
changing a flying disc to a weather balloon in nineteen
forty seven. You know, it expands.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
The reason why I still think about it is because
if it was just nothing, it's in their best interest
to prove that it was nothing, it would be show
us that it was a balloon, show us the evidens
all shut up and be like, yeah, I was, you know,
I was a little out there on that one. I was,
you know, I was speculating a little too hard. But like,

(01:08:59):
they would have that information, so they would share it,
and unless it was something that would be concerning, confusing
or alarming or puzzling, then they.

Speaker 2 (01:09:11):
Would share it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:12):
Yeah. And that's something this idea of like making things
top secret because of national security implications is something that
Brian Bender talks a lot about. M He talks about
all the time that I think Leslie King did as well,
that the government's mo is always too classify, classify, classify, classify, yep.
And I mean, ultimately that's the reason why we haven't

(01:09:35):
seen any pictures or any video of these things. They
definitely have it, and they have it in HD quality,
you know, but they're always going to say even if
it was a weather balloon, if it was absolutely nothing,
if it was a commercial, private funded weather balloon, we'll
probably still never see it because they don't want us
to know, because they would rather have it classified and
not have to worry about the implications or the ramifications
down the road of giving away anything. It isn't even

(01:09:57):
always about the craft itself. If it were weather bloom,
they may not want you to know that they've got
a satellite that could zoom in ten thousand times and
see something super clearly on the ground, and that may
be what they took a picture with, and they don't
want our enemies to know that we have that up there,
you know. So yeah, you just never know what the
national security implication is. But that's a lot of reasons
why we have so little evidence.

Speaker 3 (01:10:17):
It wouldn't it be okay to say, hey, we shot
something down of our own and everything's fine, but like
it's classified.

Speaker 1 (01:10:26):
Is that just? Is that giving away too much to
the adversaries? No, But I think saying that people naturally
would say prove it, you know, like show us how
you know that, and then if they say we can't
do that, then you're kind of just back at square
one and you've done nothing. Really, So why even give
that information away? Why not just say it's classified and
move on.

Speaker 3 (01:10:45):
It just bothersome to me because it was a very
short period of time, in less than a week, that
they treated one incident this way and another one differently.
They treated one where they blatantly said what it was,
showed off with high quality pictures what it was and video,
and that they had shot it down and scooped it

(01:11:07):
up and then twenty four hours later it's something similar
and silence totally.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
So yeah, they said it was cylindrical and silverish gray,
about the size of a small car.

Speaker 3 (01:11:22):
So why would like you could even argue that that
could be a balloon? Well, why would a balloon way
out there be of interest unless it wasn't?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
And I remember if I remember correct, then it could
be wrong, so fact check me on this. But this
thing was moving pretty quick, right, Like, wasn't the jet
struggling to keep up with it? Or they were like
matching speed which would have been like four hundred miles
an hours.

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
Is there a description of how it moved or.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Did they say that it was stationary? I could be wrong.

Speaker 2 (01:11:53):
They didn't say it was stationary, I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Well, they do say it seemed to be floating without
any sign of propulsion, was at the whim of the wind,
But they said did not have enough information to determine
if it was balloon, like they said it wasn't manned.
M let's see, it interfered with the pilot's plane sensors.

(01:12:18):
That's the weird part. That's the weirdest part.

Speaker 3 (01:12:20):
And interfered so not picked up on it, but interfered with.

Speaker 1 (01:12:26):
Pilots couldn't figure out how it was staying in the air,
which seems to rule out balloon.

Speaker 3 (01:12:32):
So no propulsion, not a balloon. Silver Metasa are pilots
who are flying the most advanced craft that we know
about in the world. That's interesting, And it's even more
interesting that they closed the book on it immediately after,
when days before they were an open book about allegedly

(01:12:54):
the same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:12:59):
Just saying yeah, it's bizarre. You know, I really think
that it was just it was a situation where they
got in over their head. They you know, they saw
this balloon. They like they knew they need to shoot
down the bloon, and they did. But because so many
people's eyes are now in the sky watching everybody at
the time. You remember, everybody's got their phones out. Everybody's
looking in the sky hoping another balloon's going to fly

(01:13:20):
over their state and they can get a video of it.
Knowing so many people are watching the sky, they've got
to double their efforts to make sure nothing else is
going to fly through the sky. Nothing's going to fall
on a town kill somebody. So they're just on high
alert they see these other things. The other thing that
I remember from the article that was interesting is the
reason they decided they needed to shoot these down was
because there was it was it was flying an elevation

(01:13:43):
that was dangerous to commercial aircraft, which those were the taks. Yeah, exactly.
All these things seem to fly around like forty thousand feet.
So when you say that and you say, Okay, we
don't know what this is. It's not coming up in
like the FA's database of approved things that should be
in the skies. It's on our radars because we've tuned
them differently to like check for these things. Now, what
do we do with it. We got to air on

(01:14:03):
the side of caution and get it out of the sky,
because if it interferes with the plane and kills four
hundred people, that's going to be a much bigger deal
than if we just can shoot something down with one
missile somewhere in Alaska. Right, whether or not it's an
alien or not. From that perspective, being in the military,
you have a responsibility to the citizens to get rid
of it, to get it out of it. And it's
very likely that if it were UFO, even if it weren't,

(01:14:25):
if they suspected that it were, they'd want to shoot
it down and collect it. You know, if there's something
they could learn from it, if they could develop our
air force better, give us better technology, you're obviously you're
going to want to do that. At the time what happened, Actually,
I think so too. I subscribe to that. Yeah, they
also said it wasn't an aircraft per se per se,

(01:14:47):
it's more like a disc, like a hovercraft.

Speaker 3 (01:14:50):
I mean, it is uncanny how similar the description is
to the TIC tact though, And it's like I would
i'd totally if I was wrong and it was just
some balloon, and I would just say, well, you know,
there were things that you said that made me think otherwise,
you know, maybe be a little more clear on your

(01:15:11):
description to the public of what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:15):
But I think I don't think it's that deep.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
I think it's probably is what it is, and on
the surface, I don't have to go very far to think, eh,
it's a little weird. I think that they shot down
something that was, you know, a little more interesting than
the other things, and they don't want to tell us
about it because they don't fully know either.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
Yeah, to like build on this and also tie it
back into another episode. When we talked to Ryan Graves,
he mentioned being out on I think it was the
Atlantic Ocean, somewhere like sixty miles out and for years
he would see these things off the coast of America.
And there have been reports from the Navy from both
coasts that these things that I mean exactly match that description,
just float out in armadas, I mean in like several,

(01:15:57):
like I don't know how many. I think they said
they had like six on the Tiktak video. Like, these
things just seem to float out one hundred miles off
our coast. And if they're out there, and they've been
there since if I remember, he said since like twenty
fourteen is when he first started seeing them, it's likely
these things are all over the world, you know, maybe
in hidden places or places where there's not heavy population.
But the odds that we shoot down two in a week,

(01:16:22):
maybe it's not crazy that they were there. Maybe they're
all over the place and we just happened to see
those two because we were looking.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
Yes, exactly, so I think you're right about that.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
The thing that makes me just most like this wasn't
a balloon is that they were scrambled on in the
most expensive jets. Right, they did visuals, got images, right,
definitely took photos of it, shot it down. Maybe maybe
they didn't. They say they recovered pieces of it. But
when John Greenwald requested any images or photos or videos

(01:16:56):
from these events, they're all classified. So why why, like,
is it some secret Russian or Chinese thing that we
can't see? Which why can't we see We can't even
see the debris of it like that. It's very very
fishy that they're not just like, hey, guys, it was
just a balloon. Here's some pictures of it.

Speaker 3 (01:17:16):
Because a few days ago, you guys basically told us
that you will show us, Hey, look this is that
balloon and we got it for you America and it
was the Chinese, and we you know, we show them
and it's like okay. Then just a few days later
the complete opposite. That tells me that it's something different,
something more important in some sort of way.

Speaker 1 (01:17:40):
And what if it was what if it was theirs? Right?

Speaker 3 (01:17:42):
It was it was some secret, some blunder like government. Yeah,
that was Joe's weather balloon. It's always a weather balloon. No.

Speaker 1 (01:17:52):
I meant like, let's say it was skunkworks or something.

Speaker 3 (01:17:54):
There's so many damn weather balloons up there. Why can
the meteorologists get the rain right? I mean, like, at
this point, it's just maybe weather balloons just didn't really
work that well or something.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
It was a primitive idea.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Some meteorologist is gonna tweet it me like actually, and
that's fine, Like I actually don't know, please tweeted me.
But I'm like, weather balloon, that seems like an archaic
thing at this point. I'm sure we still use them,
but like they're not getting the weather from that, are they?
I don't think so.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
I think after one hundred years, people would just stop
losing their weather balloons.

Speaker 2 (01:18:27):
There's too many damn weather balloons to not have more
accurate weather.

Speaker 1 (01:18:31):
It's true. Seriously, Well it's aliens in there here.

Speaker 3 (01:18:37):
So before we wrap up this roundtable, I want to
figure out a way to keep this podcast going, keep
High Strange going, keep talking about this stuff right, And
obviously I want to do a second season of some

(01:18:59):
sort I want to be able to dive into more cases,
interview more people, even expand it beyond America. I've had
a lot of questions from people saying, well, you know,
I was compelled by the podcast, but it seems like
it might just be an American thing.

Speaker 2 (01:19:15):
And I totally get that. It does on the surface
kind of seem that way.

Speaker 3 (01:19:19):
But you know, just from our basic research, it's happening
all over the place, and there's other stories that are
in some ways even more compelling than what we told
in this series, that have happened all over the globe,
And so one I want to do a second season

(01:19:41):
the way like season one, where it's a deep dive
into this concept, this idea, and talk to the people
who've witnessed things and really you know, challenge their stories,
put together, put together the evidence, and lay it out
there for the listener to decide for themselves, and just

(01:20:02):
expand on it a little deeper. Now that we've had
our introduction to the topic, let's dive even deeper, now
that we're not thinking about just the basics of whether
or not this is interesting to you. But at the
same time, you know, it took us shit at least
a year and a half to make high strange logistically,

(01:20:25):
it was hard traveling all over the country to talk
to these people. But the cool part about it now
is that so many people email us and you know,
reach out to us with their stories and all the
people that I've met along the way other journalists have
kind of plugged us into the pipeline a little bit,
which has been really cool. And we'll have a lot better,

(01:20:50):
more efficient access to do with season two.

Speaker 1 (01:20:53):
All that to say, what do we do in the interim?

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
I feel like we should keep talking about this stuff
like us and we decide we should decide right now
to commit to a season two and just dive headfirst
in again. And in the meantime we should talk about

(01:21:19):
the subject like a traditional podcast. And I kind of
want to get just a temperature from the listeners those
out there hearing this, like would that be of interest
to you? Would you listen to that? If you would,

(01:21:41):
then I think that we could keep going and also
have on tons of guests. I mean, we have so
many people we've met and there's probably unanswered questions even
from us on certain guests that we're on season one,
that we could dive a little deeper into and just
keep the conversation going and evolving and not get stale.

(01:22:05):
So I want to know from the listeners, those out
there hearing this, would you want us to keep going
and talk about this in this way while we put
together a buttoned up season two?

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Would you do that? If the answer is no, it's
all good.

Speaker 3 (01:22:26):
But I feel like, selfishly, selfishly, I want to do
it because now this topic I can't get out of
my head, and I feel like we could offer a
different sort of approach to this, just like the podcast
was before. But why just shut it down and wait?
Why not keep talking about it? We might be able

(01:22:48):
to find more interesting stuff to put in season two.
I don't know, what are your thoughts still on?

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:55):
I know.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
I mean the podcast itself is it's such a unique
look into this subject. It comes from a really unique place,
which is very fact based, very evidence based, talking to
people who are very reputable people, you know, and a
lot of people in this space. Nothing against them, because
it is fun to talk about, but a lot of
people just love to talk about like the the outer limits,
you know, the wild side of this, the crazy things

(01:23:17):
you could never prove or disprove, and that's fun. To
talk about. But I think what's really going to push
this conversation forward is stuff like this, you know, like
High Strangers the podcast, and even like this, like Roundtable.
It's like this is unique even on top of that
in that it's much longer form. You know, we've been
going for an hour and a half just shooting the
ship talking about what. Yeah, tell me about it.

Speaker 3 (01:23:39):
Shotgun the first upstairs bathroom. I'm serious, I might not
making it an adult I'm sure I've had like four
bottle waters in the past like three hours. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Yeah, that's why I keep an empty bottle. I'm too hydrated.
I'm over hydrated. Yeah, but it's uh, it's it's a
cool platform, you know. So I hope we get to
keep doing it and get to expand on it, because
it'd be a lot of fun.

Speaker 2 (01:23:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:00):
If if, if you're if your game as a listener
to keep hearing us ramble and and also you know,
have some cool interviews and you know, unpack some details
for real, then I would love to know your thoughts
on that, and we'll promise you a badass second season

(01:24:22):
and we'll update you right here along the way.

Speaker 1 (01:24:27):
Do we have like a tip line or something people
can email.

Speaker 2 (01:24:31):
Still it's three.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
I'm just kidding. Someone's gonna be like cool. So if
it starts with three and he almost said one, but
what what are the could you do that?

Speaker 1 (01:24:45):
Could you figure out?

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
There'd be a lot of combinations. Good luck.

Speaker 3 (01:24:48):
If you call me and that's how you found it,
then I'll talk to you for real. I'll put it
in the we can just add that, like we should
make a number. I think that I actually would. I
would love to talk to listeners about this. I also
want more opinions in the room, more takes. I think
that you know, we made this podcast not really having

(01:25:11):
a fully formulated take on this, and it's it's an
ever evolving thing in my head, and I want to
talk to tons of different people, all walks of life
and just kind of get their two cents, Like, what
are your thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 (01:25:29):
How does this make you feel? You know, what kind
of theory do you have?

Speaker 3 (01:25:33):
Like, let's just spark the discussion and maybe we'll get
somewhere through that. You know, no one's right or wrong here,
It's just it's an unsolved mystery. It's still unsolved, but
it's going to stay that way unless we talk about it.
Even if we learn tomorrow that it's all fake, which

(01:25:55):
I think would be impossible at this point, I think
that we would have probably helped push it to that answer. Still,
So regardless of what it is, I think until we
know for certain, you know, a healthy conversation wouldn't hurt.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Mike. What are your thoughts?

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Yeah, I think you should also send in all of
your hate mail.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
If the answer is no, I'm gonna get a hundred
emails of people saying, hell, no, dude, I don't want
to hear you talk. Go make that show. And you
guys are be like, so what do they say? I'm like, dude,
they really dig it. They love this idea, and I'm like,
oh my god, I gotta I gotta tell them.

Speaker 1 (01:26:34):
Well, the thing is, if if they listen this far
into this episode and send a you're lying. You listen
to it and you liked it, so you're getting more
either of course.

Speaker 3 (01:26:43):
And here's the thing, Like I would probably get annoyed
of hearing myself, to be honest, but I feel like
it could be interesting to get a little insight on
you know, even us just making the damn thing.

Speaker 2 (01:26:57):
It's uh, and we'll give you some nuggets.

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
We'll spoil some stuff for you, you know, not too much,
but like enough for you to stay interested. But I'm like,
it'd be kind of cool if we just decided, you know,
we didn't know what was going to happen with High Strange.
We didn't know if people would like it, if it
was you know, if it was too kooky, if it
was you know, not interesting enough. But I think now

(01:27:21):
that it's you know, the last episode is out, where
do we go from here? I want to make a
second season even better than the first, But how do
we keep this thing alive, you know, between now and none?
Maybe we just meet every week or once a month

(01:27:43):
or I don't know what it is and just kind
of shoot the shit about this kind of stuff and
further unpack the details of season one, and also bringing
back all these guests and invite the listeners to ask
questions and just make it an open, an open conversation
that I think could be a lot of fun and

(01:28:04):
we might learn something.

Speaker 2 (01:28:05):
Maybe not, but it does sound fun. You know, Mike,
you haven't said very much.

Speaker 3 (01:28:12):
Mike's just like, I'm just thinking about trying to think
of a good joke. He's like, what's funny that I
could say.

Speaker 1 (01:28:19):
I think we do it. I think it's gonna be
an endless topic. That's I'm fully consumed in it since
before we, you know, start researching it for high strange,
I was kind of really into UFOs, aliens, high strangeness.
I really like Bigfoot, all kinds of things. I like him.

(01:28:39):
I've met him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:40):
Okay, he's a nice guy.

Speaker 1 (01:28:42):
Uh yeah, No, I'm fascinated with all of the unexplained,
even with people who go missing without a trace. That's
fascinating me. Any any mystery in the world. Like you,
I'm just like you. Where I loved the Twilight Zone.
I love the unexplained, the mysterious, that out there stuff.
I'm very into it. So I can talk about this

(01:29:02):
stuff all day, every day, and I enjoy to talk
about it. So, yeah, I won't send you hate mail
saying don't do it. We'll try it not to you. Okay,
you're gonna do it. Yeah, I'm like this, bro. I
know this is a fake email address, it still has it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:18):
I can see it. I saw it on your phone.
Minds you not Mike at gmail dot com. Yeah, okay,
so yeah, please email us tell us your thoughts, send
us an email. Send us an email at tips at
high strange dot com. I'm gonna go make a phone
number for this and I'll add it after this this roundtable.

(01:29:41):
But yeah, tell us what you think, and we're pretty
energized about doing a second season. I think that it'd
be super fun and there's so much more to explore
if you guys are down for that, you know, we'd
love to hear your thoughts on that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:57):
And would you entertain hearing us shoot the ship for
a little

Speaker 3 (01:30:02):
Bit in between them if we gave you some cool stuff,
right secrets, secret information,

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