ESPN's Dan Orlovsky

Episode 486 of "SI Media with Jimmy Traina" features a conversation with ESPN NFL analyst, Dan Orlovsky.
Orlovsky gives us a break down of his unbelievably busy schedule, talks about how the NFL owns most of the sports calendar and shares his thoughts about the wild free-agency spree that took place this week.
Orlovsky also explains that his ultimate goal is to call top games each week and whether he feels like networks have a bias against putting them in that role since he wasn't a superstar player. He also weighs in on his relationship with Chris "Mad Dog" Russo, Mike Greenberg and Dan "BigCat" Katz.
Orlovsky also shares some of his famous food takes, talks about what it's like to have triplets and much more.
Following Orlovsky, Sal Licata from WFAN and SNY joins Jimmy for the weekly "Traina Thoughts" segment. This week's topics include Aaron Rodgers as Robert F. Kennedy Jr.'s, running mate, the NFL Network moving "Good Morning Football" from New York to Los Angeles, Tiki Barber vs. Saquon Barkley, "Love is Blind," and more.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:02):
Welcome everyone to SI Media with Jimmy Traina. Thank you
so much for listening. We have an X one episode
this week. Dan Orolovski from ESPN joins the show. Dan
was great on a mix of NFL things with free
agency going wild this week and a million signings. Did
a little bit of that in the draft, and then
we do a lot of sports media Dan's career. Appreciate

(00:26):
Dan being very honest about his role, his stature, his goals,
good stuff there, get into some of Dan's funny food
takes and just overall sports media business stuff with Orlowsky.
So he was great. Following Dan Orolosky, Salakata joins me
as he does every week for training of thoughts, and
before we get to it, just a quick reminder we

(00:47):
had ESPN legend Bob Lee on the podcast last week
and WFANCBS Sports Network host Greg Gionatti from The Boomer
and Geo Show two weeks ago, So if you missed
either of those episodes, going to the archives check him out,
Bob Lee last week, Greg Gannati two weeks ago, and
make sure you subscribe to SI Media with Jimmy Trayner
and if you could leave a review on Apple. We

(01:09):
greatly appreciate that. All right, we have Dan Orlovski from ESPN,
Little NFL, Little Sports Media, followed by Salakata and train
of thoughts for you right here, right now on SI
Media with Jimmy Tryner. All right, join me now. Appreciate
him coming on because it's the NFL has taken center

(01:31):
stage this week, and he uh breaks it all down.
It seems NonStop twenty four to seven for ESPN. He
is Dan Orlovsky, Dan, how's it going?

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Oh, what's going on? Butday it's going good? You know,
it's uh, it's so you know, for my job. When
we get done with the Super Bowl, it's like, as
much as I adore football and love football, you're like, oof,
you know, because the season is such a marathon, and
then all of a sudden you're in the middle of
marching pre agency here. So it's good to be busy

(02:02):
and kind of seeing all the wheels in motion. For
the NFL.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
There's definitely no break, it seems like for the NFL
until maybe a little later in the summer because now
the draft will be coming up.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
So yeah, it's funny. I never paid attention to it
as a player. But as I've gotten into this business,
I think one of the things that I became aware of,
and then honestly I've gained a great appreciation for, is
how much the NFL strategically owns the calendar. You know,
like they have done a phenomenal job of seasons over

(02:35):
in middle of February and then there's like a week
break and all of a sudden, back into February, you're
at the combine. And then there's really no break in
the middle of March as we are right now, you're
an NFL free agency and maybe back into March. First
week of April it's quieter, and then full speed ahead
through the month of April for the draft. And then
after the draft, it's the month of May has all
the mini camps and all the new bodies there, and

(02:56):
so it's very strong in May, and then June in
July kind of quiet, and then August it's full speed ahead.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Yeah you left out, I mean, well there are before
I think it's before the draft they usually come out
with the schedule. Well maybe it's the schedule which is like, yeah,
you're as big as all this other stuff, which is crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
They own the calendar. It's very strategic.

Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yeah. You know, I always say the NFL rules the country.
It's it's crazy, and you seem like you rule the airwaves.
I mean it seems like you're on non stop. What
I'm just curious before we get into some of the
like this signings and stuff like what is the dan
or Alavsky schedule these days? Like when are your days off? What?

(03:42):
What shows are you on? I mean it seems like
you do a movie in podcast, you're on McAfee. What
is the I don't care if it takes you like
twenty minutes. Give me the dan Orlovsky schedule. I need it.

Speaker 2 (03:52):
I'll give you the season, and then I'll give you
kind of the out of season because they're a little different,
you know, like in season.

Speaker 1 (03:58):
Yeah. You know, like, well give me now because I'm
curious about that season. I get it. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah yeah, So right now. So I only try to
work like two or three days a week post Super
Bowl a couple of reasons why. And I remember going
to Seth Markman probably three or four years ago here
at ESPN and just going to Seth after you know, base.
I work every day during the season, seven days a week, NonStop,

(04:26):
travel all that, and I said, Seth, I have to
take some form of a breather, you know, in the
off season. And his initial reaction, because I don't know
if that's necessarily how it's always been done, like was
a little bit like well, And I was like, Seth,
there's no way that I could try to be the
best in the world and on as much as I

(04:46):
am during the season if I don't pull back a
little bit. And I was like, I need to recalibrate mentally.
So that was that. And then also I told him, like,
I also think people need a break for me. You know,
when you're on all the time, you know, at some
point people like, oh, it's that person again. So I
think just being conscious of that. So like two or
three days a week for me, I lived in Connecticut.

(05:09):
I live directly in between Bristol, which is where the
main campus is, as you know, and then New York City,
which is where Get Up and First Take are traditionally from.
And so living here it's easy for me. And I
tell them, hey, if I'm working, I got no problem
going a full day because again always honest here, like
if Mike Greenberg wants me on and in studio. I'm

(05:32):
going to go be on an in studio because Greeney,
you know, was the one of the first people that
gave me a chance. If Steven A. Smith wants me
on and in studio, I'm going to make the effort
to go be on in studio. And so if I
have to go to New York and Bristol on those days,
it is what it is, you know, that's just the
nature of the job. And so I try to tell
them I'd rather work two or three full days a

(05:54):
week than kind of sporadic moments of five. So I'm on,
get up, first take, I'll hit sports Centers, NFL Live
six o'clock Sports Center. So when I'm on, I have
no issue kind of been making it a full day.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
So your own. So right now you're doing two or
three days, that's it on TV.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yeah, two or three days. Yeah, two or three days,
and then really like that second or third week of April,
it'll be every day for a two or three week stretch,
you know, going into the draft.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
And in season seven days a week, no day off.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
Seven days a week, no day off because Sunday you're
watching games, and then Sunday night is rewatching games. To
get ready for Monday morning shows, Monday on Tuesday, on Wednesday,
on Thursday, on Friday on and then Friday or SAT.
Friday night or Saturday is often either working the ABC
College Show with Kevin and Boog or lying too a

(06:50):
Monday night football game. So yeah, that's wild.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
That's a lot and you you do a lot of interviews.
It seems like you're very in demand. Do you try
to just say yes to everything that you try to be?
I mean, you said yes to me right away, so
I don't think you try to be that discriminate. But
like you, you know, I know McFee. Obviously, no one's
saying no to McAfee. It's like, you know, the hottest

(07:16):
show you can be on right now. But correct, Yeah,
I mean are you getting like, are you getting requests
almost every day to be on some show to beyond
shows and podcasts?

Speaker 2 (07:27):
Yeah? Yeah, and I try, Like honestly, Jim, My viewpoint
is it's obviously very flattering that they're asking you, and
you know, I'm thankful for it. I've learned to say no.
I have. I've learned to say no. I've learned to
hit up. Derek Boehner, who's been great for pr here
and be like, hey, Derek, you know you have to

(07:48):
be honest about it. Where is this one? Yes?

Speaker 3 (07:51):
Do it?

Speaker 2 (07:52):
You know, it's up to your own discretion. You know,
I think you could try to push this one off
a little bit. So I try to say yes. But
I also I got I'm I'm a father of four
as well, you know, so you know, it's it's trying
to make sure that I'm not losing sight of the
most important stuff as well.

Speaker 1 (08:09):
You have triplets, right, I have triplet.

Speaker 2 (08:11):
Twelve year old boys and an eight year old daughter,
so you know, and they're just getting into you know,
our spring is the nuts time of our life with
all their kids' sports, and I adore it and I
coach it. So you know, a lot of times I'll hey,
if I'm in the car, you know, like I try
to knock it out in the car something like that.
But yeah, busy life.

Speaker 1 (08:29):
Do the triplets get along or are there a lot
of situations where it's like two against one.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Yeah, it's it's it's a lot of situations where it's
two against one. It's a lot of situations where they
get along, and it's a lot of situations where none
of them get along, you know, and they're at that.
We've tried to always be conscious of it, like allowing
them to have their own identity. They're very much so
like starting to form it even more so now. So
it's they try to be aware of, like hey, stop
being idiots to each other, while also being like, no,

(08:58):
you know, that's you kind of kind of let them
kind of create their own path and create their own
identity and Okay, if they want to this one wants
to be this way and this one wants to be
that way. That's who they are.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Well, when you had triplets, did you try to, like,
like it's so rare, did you try to like seek
out other families or parents that have triplets, Like it's
like such a it's such a unique thing. It's like
gotta be tough to navigate. I would think it's sometimes,
but you know, it's funny. I have I've had Roman
Reigns from the w WNS podcast a bunch of times,
and he has two different sets of twins, which I

(09:31):
think I think if I was power ranking, I think
two sets of twins be just above triplets on the
on the wild side, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
Yeah, yeah, I don't think we sought out anybody in
that regard. You know, my wife is like, she was
one of those women if you asked her, what's the
number one thing you want to be in the world.
She was a mom, so she thrives in that environment.
I always wanted to be a dad too, so I
try to and always have tried to be relatively hands on.

(10:00):
I think we paid attention to some people being like, hey,
you know, get them on the same schedule or you know,
first grade, let them separate and to get into their
own classes so they, you know, create their own lives.
Back to kind of what I was just saying. So
we didn't seek anyone. I was just kinda figured it
out along the way.

Speaker 1 (10:16):
With the boys being twelve, are they like, do they
still think like it's super cool that dad is on
ESPN all the time? Are they over it now?

Speaker 2 (10:24):
They think it's super cool? Like in moments, you know,
like hey, sixth grade crush, you know, like, hey, my dad,
then my dad's Onny Spian are like when they're at
a sporting game and my son was playing a game
last weekend and some of the kids were like, oh,
you'r Danner Lobsky's son and so it makes them feel good,
and I always like put him in check with it
and be like, you got to go create your own

(10:44):
name and whatnot. And honestly, like the one of the
highlights of my year this year was it's funny nowadays kids,
I think it's completely okay to talk trash to adults.
And so they've got all their friends, and I love
their friends. But you know, like the passing at the
Pro Bowl, the precision passing for me with that, like
I walked around and showed all their friends and I

(11:05):
was like, oh, you little chunks that want to try
to talk some trash to me, like until you can
beat me, shut up. So that was like a fun moment.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Yeah, but a listen, I think even if you carve
out a path for yourself, if your dad's on TV,
it's it's always going to be a thing. Like TV.
TV is such a thing in this country. We're just
so mesmerized by TV. So even in the you know,
in the age of streaming, I shouldn't say TV, but
if you know your dad's on a screen, I should
say I guess.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
N they like it. They like it.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, Yeah, I don't do a ton of like hardcore
sports here. But we just had like two completely insane
days in the NFL, and I thought it was I
loved it. I thought it was I mean, those signings
coming fast and furious. As an NFL fan, I loved it.
I almost feel like it's interesting the NFL. You know,
we mentioned the schedule earlier, like the NFL knows how

(11:54):
to make such a big deal out of everything and
make it such an I feel like they might need
to make the last two days more of a thing.
Like you guys are all on TV and you know
Chefter's breaking every signing and then you got the analysis.
But like I almost feel like it should be a
like a bigger thing. But I thought it was really fun.

(12:15):
Give me off the top of your head. I'm putting
you on the spot. Three best signings from the last
we're taking this on Wednesday, So from the last two
days Monday Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I agree. I think one of the things the NFL
needs to do is just started on Monday. You know,
you know the tampering period, all that just start foragancy
on Monday. Half people come off the weekend from it.
I'd say this the best signing has been Kirk Cousins
to Atlanta. And I don't want to misrepresent who Kirk
Cousins is as a player, but Atlanta as a roster
and all those young talented players that they have on

(12:47):
the offensive side of the football have been and we're
going to be wasted unless they answered the question at quarterback.
And again, Kirk is not going to walk in and
all of sudden it become Matthew Stafford, but he's going
to give them a chance to win the division and
get in and with that young and improved defense and
that offensive talent and Drake London like, if you don't

(13:10):
get the quarterback, not only are you wasting the quarterback,
but you're wasting all the other young talent that you've
invested those draft picks in. And that's what's held them back.
And I still they have four picks in the top
eighty as well, Atlanta. So I still think that signing
is massive. I know everyone thinks him crazy, but Russell
Wilson number two, mainly because of the cost. I mean,
Russell's a million bucks, that's absurd. And if Russell Wilson

(13:33):
just plays the way he did last year next year
in Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh will absolutely be playing meaningful games in
December within that division and a chance to win it
and certainly have a playoff spot on the line because
the team is still really solid. And obviously Mike Tomlin,
I think the third biggest one, I'll say Saquon going

(13:58):
to Philadelphia. You know, when the Giants took Saquon Barkley
at number two, I was like, bad, not a great move,
just because they weren't ready to support that position. Jimmy,
what we in the NFL we often say that the
quarterback is a dependent position, you know, like the quarterback
is going to be so is running back. You know,
the running back is you could only do so much

(14:20):
when no one is blocking for you. And so like
when Saquon's in New York and he's getting the ball
and there's nowhere to go, it's going to be a
completely different world for him at Philadelphia. His job has
never been easier. And I still think that because of
the way he trains the character, Like he is a

(14:41):
tremendous physical talent and he is going to experience stuff
that he never has and I think you're going to
see Saquon. I honestly believe this. Saquon can go for
stay healthy playing majority of the season. I think you're
looking at a guy that can push like seventeen hundred
total yards.

Speaker 1 (15:00):
Wow, that would be huge.

Speaker 3 (15:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
It's it's interesting. It's Monday and Tuesday unfolded and there
are a million signings and everyone analyzing breaking it down.
You just did it here talking about Russ and Kirk Cousins.
I kept having the same thought in my head over
and over throughout the day. It was like, none of
this matters as long as Patrick Mahomes is alive, Like

(15:25):
it feels like it just feels like and you know,
they resigned Chris Jones, and it's just how do you
see them getting dethrowned as long as he's around. It's
it's it's got to be frustrating for the teams. I mean, listen,
we see. I think the Bills are at the point
of frustration. I don't think the Bengals are there yet
because Burrow got hurt. But these windows close very fast. Yeah,

(15:50):
you know, the Bills have to be really their stomach. Yeah,
I mean yeah, not in many ways.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
The Bills lost to that same twice in ways that
you were like, no way, because obviously a couple years
ago thirteen seconds over time. And then this past year,
you know, the deep ball to Stefan Diggs, you know,
and you've seen him make some of those catches, you know, routinely,
and if he makes that catch, they win that game
in many ways, So the bills and when you see

(16:18):
the talent that has to go out because of the
salary cap and the way it's moved, and guys want
to get paid. Yeah, and their drafts have not been spectacular,
you know. I think that's one of the things that
has allowed Kansas City to stay afloatus while they pay
Patrick and Chris and some other people and they go
on that run. They've drafted so well, not only first

(16:40):
round but four, fifth, sixth round picks, and you know
it's Kansas City just has the the perfect model right
now of you know, I don't want to say it's
the carbon copy of New England, but Patrick is underpaid
to what he's worth, probably not in the same vein
as Tom was. They have a coach that knows exactly

(17:00):
how to go about things. They're staff is tremendous. You know.
That's one of the things that gets forgotten about New
England is how good the staff was. Whether they went
and did good places. Stuff elsewhere is irrelevant. And no,
I also say this like, you know, you know, Baltimore
had every chance to beat Kansas City last year. Buffalo

(17:21):
had every big chance to beat Kansas City and they didn't.
So I still think that it's not a shoe in
Kansas City goes back, but you're to go through him.
You're gonna have to You're gonna have to catch some
breaks that you have in so far, you.

Speaker 1 (17:34):
Know, speaking of the Chiefs. This just came to me
while you were speaking. And obviously you played in the
league for a while, so you'd be perfect to get
a take on this. They had the Players Association survey
come out a few weeks ago. Yeah, and I think
Clark hunt like rank got an f or rank last
or something. So what do you make of that when
you have a team that's won three Super Bowls here?

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah, that was my initial reaction because I was on
first take the following day after it came out, and
they were like good sign or bad sign? And I
was like, guys, they've they've gone to six straight ABC
Championship games, you know, and so the I remember being
in the league and everyone was you know, sometimes you
play for an organization like I'll give you this perfect example,

(18:16):
and this is just the honesty part of it. Like
I played down at Tampa Bay. The experience was great
when it comes to the ownership and the way they
treated our families and the you know, the everyday experience
and the facility was tremendous, and the game day was great.
My wife and we had our triplets were eight months
old at that point, nine months old, and they would

(18:37):
take care of her and whatnot. We won like three games,
you know. So you sit there sometimes as a player
and you go, well, I'd rather you know, win eleven
or twelve games and get into the playoffs. Then you have,
you know, free childcare for my family or whatnot. So
it's you know, as a player, at some point you

(18:58):
get to I've made my money more than likely what
I'm going to make now. I want to be on
a bad place that I'm going to work every day.
That's good and we're winning, you know, And so I
think it changes for every guy at some point for
his career. It's like how much you really value certain
things in comparison to like, you know, I've been on
a losing team eight years in a row. I just

(19:19):
want to have, you know, games on December that matter.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
So right, Yeah, that was I thought that was more
surprising than all the other stuff that that ended up
coming out in that survey. How seriously do players take
that survey?

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't time. Yeah, yeah, so it's it's a lot
like I remember voting for the Pro Bowl and voting
for the top one hundred and listen, you spend so
much time at the facility. The last thing you want
to do is spend more time at the facility doing
something that doesn't really have a ton of relevancy to

(19:58):
wins and losses. So get together. What do you guys think?
You know, you're just killing stuff out, So you know,
I can't speak to exactly how much time that they
was put into it, but I I do think it's
something that guys are just yeah whatever, you know, you're
just going through it.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Yeah, let me excure one thing about the draft and
we'll talk about some media stuff. I guess you made
a lot of headlines because you pumped up Jalen Daniels,
which I didn't see anything wrong with that take. I
watched him play a lot at LSU. I think the
guy's great. Then obviously now there's some negative narratives going

(20:36):
on about Caleb Williams, which the one thing that struck
me just as an NFL fan, you know, because I
think with something like this, you have there's so many
different ways you're coming at it. You're coming at it,
you played, you're an analyst, you have, the fans, you have,
there's there's different The only thing that gave me pause
was when he wouldn't take or do any medical stuff.

(20:57):
Didn't I guess he wouldn't take a physical or wouldn't
go there. Now you hear that. Now, I don't know
does everybody. I would assume if it's coming out that
he's not doing it, that every player does it, you know,
But you just hear he wouldn't do that, And I
don't know how you hear that and not have a
flag go up. So what do we make of that?

Speaker 2 (21:15):
Yeah, I think that I don't know Caleb at all
outside of you know, spend it five with minutes with
them at the upfronts last year. But from everything you hear,
he kind of marches to the beat of his own drum.
Whether you think that's a good thing or a bad thing.
I think teams are going to pay attention to what
he did at the combine or what he didn't do,
and some teams would be rubbed the wrong way, and
some teams won't care at all. That's just it's going

(21:38):
to be indifferent. I think the theory behind him not
doing the physical is he's very aware that you know,
he's probably going to be at worst top two, top
three picks, so there's only so many teams that could
draft them, and you know, with the individual workouts and
the visits, you know, if you're going to be one
of those teams, you're going to have the opportunity to

(21:59):
do that physical. So I can understand the premise of it.
And so, like I said, I think there's gonna be
teams that think it's a big deal or whatnot. I said,
you know, in relation to the him and Caleb and
Jaden thing, give me the reason I said I would
take Jaden one. It wasn't a negative on Caleb. It
was more after you know. So I called Jaden's games

(22:22):
early two years ago at LSU early on, and I
remember sitting there with Brian Kelly and who's the head
coach down there, and being like he just doesn't trust
it right now, And they were honestly contemplating, like do
they bench them, and he was like, we just got
to get him confident, confident, and they were trying to
figure out some some of the other stuff they were

(22:42):
happening with some receivers. But you saw it slowly start.
And when I watched his take this year, I was
there's there's too many examples of being like, you could
just change the jersey and that's what it looks like
on Sundays in the NFL. Just change the color jersey.
That's what it looks like. Oh so that throw that
goes twenty five yards across the field and there's a

(23:03):
guy trailing on the hip and it's right perfectly up front.
I watch guys do that all the time on Sunday.
Or hey man, that play action pass when you throw
the post and you see the backside safety cut and
you throw it over the topic. That's what I see
on Sundays. And man, what a good athlete that moves
around it goes and makes some plays. And with Caleb
unbelievably talented, you just don't have a ton of examples.

(23:25):
Two things of what it looks like on Sundays, you
just don't, you know, and you watch him run around
and make a ton of great plays, you just don't
have a ton of examples of like what real life
in Sundays looks like over the course of a couple
of years. And then you know Al Golden, who's the
defensive coordinator at Notre Dame, has ties to the NFL.

(23:48):
He's spent time in the NFL. When you watch that game,
at least I said, man through some defensive NFL defensive
looks at him, and I didn't. You don't love that tape.
And so that's why it wasn't a knock on Caleb necessary.
It was more like this Jaden kids just starting to
become who he really is.

Speaker 1 (24:08):
Yeah, yeah, I actually liked your take from watching both
of them play. But again, I have no credibility. I'm
just a fan. But I saw it and I'm like,
I don't know, Jada Williams looks to me like he
he can be a NFL quarterback. Caleb Williams, like you said,
I don't know, I don't know. I saw things that
would have me worry too, But yeah, I think with
I don't know, I this is just me as a fan. Again,

(24:29):
I don't know the exes and O was and the
schemes and this and covered two And I just to
me with quarter when I sort of judge quarterbacks, if
you're doing if you're making a lot of great throws,
and even if you're flashing all that, but you make mistakes,
that is just like that cancels it out. So sure

(24:50):
a guy like Caleb Williams, I don't you know, to me,
is I think a question mark going into the NFL.
But again, I have no credibility on it. I'm just
giving my opinion.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
I just think, like I, we've inverted quarterback scouting just
a little bit. You know, we've we've fallen in love
with the run around, you know, make something on of
nothing plays. And you know, while that is a necessity
nowadays to be elite, right, it doesn't mean that it
has to be the forefront of your game. And I

(25:22):
think that's right now, Caleb.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
It is, well, that's you know when you look at
guys like Mahomes and Brady, and Mahomes obviously way flashier
than Brady because he has the whole running element to
his game which Tom never had. But when they you know,
when Mahomes has to throw a ten yard pass to Kelsey,
he never fails. When he has to throw a check
down out of it, he never fail. Yeah, Like, so

(25:46):
give me all that over a guy who can take
off and run a couple of times a game, Like,
I don't know. That's just the way I look at Yeah, quarterbacks.
Let's switch out to some sports media stuff in your career.
Is calling games the ultimate goal for you? Because I
know you do. This year ESPN Slash ABC had four
Monday night doubleheaders. You were part of that crew this

(26:08):
year with Fowler and Rick. I would assume doing games
is that? I mean, if you had to do games
and give up what you do NFL Live and that stuff,
would you make that trade off? If it was a
you know, every week.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
In and out thing, I would try to do both
as much as I can. As long as I can.
I think I'm capable of it. Again, I have the
benefit of living here, so for me to be able
to do that stuff, I'm still at my home and
seeing my family. I don't have to get on a plane. Well,
not the ultimate goal, you know. I'm five or six
years into this. I used to get asked that question

(26:42):
and I would answer I don't know, because I felt
like it was a moving target. I think the ultimate
goal for me right now is, yeah, I want to
call one of the premiere games in the NFL. That
that is now something that is very much so a
focus in mind. I think the second thing is I
want to be a part of what's you know, obviously

(27:03):
here at ESPN, what's really important to ESPN football wise,
you know, whatever that show gets deemed by, you know,
Jimmy and Burke and Seth like in Norby, like whatever
shows that they deem or properties they deem are important.
I want to be a part of them and on them.
I still like the everyday stuff though, you know I do.

(27:24):
I love being able to kind of talk about stuff
that maybe you don't ungained. So yeah, but certainly those
big games are the big game is something that is
surely a focus in.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
My Do you think have you seen any evidence of this?
Do you feel this? And I'm going to be careful
here not to pull a mad dog Russo, but do
you think there is any bias against you? Because the
people who have the top jobs, ak men, Romo Collinsworth

(27:59):
had a certain level in the NFL, whereas you not
a Hall of Famer. We're in the league a long time.
But do you think even in the broadcasting world, that
translates to where there's a bias against you for and
preventing you from being the top announcer for a network.

Speaker 2 (28:19):
I think there certainly was at the beginning. I think
there still might be some remnants. My viewpoint, don it
has always been I've said this to people on social
media who I've said that, like, hey, you were you're
a backup, you know, or what do you know? And
or I've said this sitting down with meetings, you know,
when I have you know, spent time with you know,

(28:41):
some of the recruiting stuff with networks, and I would
say this, you know, to people right now, it's my
job to prove that I am capable and worthy of
that role. If I haven't, that's on me. If I
have it. If you have bias and I haven't a
race those bias, that's on me. Now. I think that

(29:03):
the body of work of what I've done both in studio,
in college games that were relatively big, with some of
the you know, the bowl games, with the Moneay Night
football games, that I would hope that I've erased some
of those biases. Maybe not all, but some of them
are chopped away at them, and that'll be continue to
be my focus is, you know, if there are still

(29:24):
some of that out there, continue to prove when the
opportunity presents itself like that dude, that dude's capable. Like
the way I look at it, I've called, you know,
almost ten Monday night football games right now for ESPN
and ABC. Is not a ton bigger than that, you know,
and so, and I feel like our crew has handled
it well. So so I'll just keep working at it.

Speaker 1 (29:47):
All right, So, given what you said there, did you
have an opinion when you see that Greg Olsen, who
was by all sorts of reviews, it is Greg's great
and he's getting blown out because Tom Brady is Tom Brady.
I mean, it's it's it's you know, I've tried to

(30:09):
explain this to people who read my column and listen
to this podcast. This is the stuff I cover, like
Fox is getting in bed with the business of Tom Brady. Yeah,
that's what he has over Greg Olsen. It's not necessarily
about how you know one versus the other. Yeah, So
when when you see that, do you I don't know.
Do you communicate with Greg at all? Do you say like, oh,

(30:29):
this is bullshit, or you like, gotta hang in there,
roll with the punches. I mean, there's nothing he can
do about it, because again, like I don't I don't
think Fox would make that move for any other person.
Maybe Peyton Manning then Tom Brady.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Yeah, I communicate with Greg because I've known him for
so long, and i've you know, so often throughout this
really past a couple of seasons, and probably for the
most this season, would send him stuff and being like,
hey man, this was great, or love listen to you,
you crush this or whatnot, and so we have a
good amount of course fonds. I don't touch the job
front for him. I just I think Greg is what

(31:04):
obviously the very best doing it, and you know, belongs
at you know, at one of those big games and
whatnot until he says, I don't want to do it anymore. So,
but I also know how the world works, you know,
and and I know the nature of the business and whatnot,
and so I feel for him. My hope is that
he gets back to being in a place where he

(31:25):
can continue to call those that really big game, you know,
and until then it's not necessarily fair, but it's his reality.

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Yeah, let me transition to this here. You you seem
to have gotten to a point where you are a
headline generator for the blogs people like me, aggregators for
football and non football things. People seem to I guess

(31:57):
you put Dan or Alaski in a headline. There's some traffic.
Obviously we mentioned before the Jade and Daniels Caleb thing.
You generated a ton of publicity for that. Have you
gotten used to making headlines so often these days football
and non football stuff?

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Yeah? Sometimes I have to, you know, I was just
having a conversation excuse me about that with someone the
other day, you know, Jimmie. I me being again candid here. Like,
I have to be sometimes reminded of it because I'm
not in a situation or a position where I could
just say anything, because it does generate traction, and I

(32:38):
can't just take words back and whatnot and just pretend
like it doesn't happen. So like, I do have to
try to be conscious of it. But honestly, like, I
love this job. I love it. I love the fact
that I get to do it. I have so much
fun doing it, and it is absolutely a passion of mine.

(32:58):
I just try to, Like dude, I get paid a
dumb amount of money to talk about football, you know,
and it's like I get to, you know, have relationships
with people and friendships with people that I have no
business having friendships with people because of my job. So
sometimes I have to pinch myself about it. But I

(33:20):
just I love doing it. I have a ton of
fun doing it. I try to focus on that, do
it the right way, be convicted about the things that
I'm going to say. Do the work, Do the work
before you speak, and it's it comes with the property.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
So when you go viral and you got and there
are headlines on all the blogs about you sniffing Molly's
shoe and people accusing you of having a foot fetish,
do you laugh and have fun with that stuff? Are
you like, Okay, this is this is crazy? What are
the people doing?

Speaker 2 (33:53):
No? I laugh and have fum with it one because
like Molly had gotten that shoe that more it's a
brand new shoe that steven a butter. I also don't
think me smelling the shoe was weird, Like I smell
the shoe, guys, you know, So I it's a maybe
it goes back to like being very comfortable in my
own skin, and I don't like, I don't pretend that

(34:16):
like I love to laugh at myself, take my job seriously,
take myself not you know. And so you know, I
think one of the things I've learned as well too
is and this is from watching other people, sometimes good
sometimes bad. Is like I think people at home want
to like the people that are watching, you know, And
the last thing I want is for people at home

(34:37):
to watch me and think that I think I'm better
than them. I'm just a very normal person that somehow
is here, you know, And yeah, laugh a little bit
and be immature and just have some fun at times.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
So I'm okay, you didn't do anything to dispel the
room where you have a foot fetter, so we'll see
what the headlines.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
Feet are disgusting, you know, So no foot fetter.

Speaker 1 (35:02):
And then the other thing, obviously I mentioned Russo before
that was a big deal which I was inadvertently a
part of because you responded to the video that I
had tweeted of him calling you a scrub and then that.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
And I.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Knew you were very popular, but that blew me away.
How many people responded because I was tagged on every
tweet because you responded to me on Twitter. But I
have to say, and I wrote this, and I hope
you saw it. I thought it was incredibly classy, and
I thought you handle it the way everyone should handle it,
in that you went on his show like a couple
of days later and had fun with it. And I

(35:37):
think you're the perfect example of like that incident, I
felt like, because we've all been there where at first
you're like, what the hell is this? You get offended,
and then you realize, okay, you know, time passes you
com you know you don't. But I love that you
went and it was great and you and you busted
his balls about it too, which I loved. It was
a great spot on his serious XM show. So were

(36:01):
you we surprised that became a big deal.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (36:04):
Yeah, to be honest with you, so many people sent
me that clip right when it happened from Mad Dog.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
Like, yeah, I know, because I was on all I
was on all those that I.

Speaker 2 (36:14):
Have friends like message me with it, and so again,
like you know, like I'm offended immediately just because oh
my gosh, my feelings are hurt and you're being sensitive
and then you know, you kind of cool down and whatnot.
My wife was pissed off and whatnot, and then you
cool down. And you know, I was surprised it became
such a big deal, but I also know Mad Dog

(36:35):
is a big deal, Like I know he is. I
also think, you know, maybe this is me, you know,
with the rose colored glasses or fingers crossed. But I
do think part of what we were just speaking about
is like I've tried to remove some of the biases
from people, and I do think that, you know, I've
I've tried to gather a reputation of one that's positive,

(36:56):
and so people had a little bit of my back
in a way, I.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Guess, and so that was yeah, oh yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Somewhat positive. And then you know, one of the things
I've tried to focus on, and I sent this guy
a message not too long ago. I've learned from Marcus
Spears or I worked with all the time. And then
obviously Big Cat I meant, honestly, Big Cat is like, well,
sports are still supposed to be fun, and you know,
we could have some fun, mad Dog making fun of

(37:22):
me and me having fun with Mad Dog back at it,
like we all in a way have a win.

Speaker 1 (37:29):
Yeah, I'm a huge man dog guy whove listened for
thirty years, so I'm biased and all this, And when
I saw it became a thing, I was like, oh,
I hate that this is the thing because here's the
weird thing about Dog because I know this from knowing him,
Like he totally respects you as an analyst. He's making
that other comment just to make a joke. But of course,
I mean, who wants to hear that about themselves? So like, sure,

(37:50):
if he didn't take you seriously or respect your opinions
when you're breaking down the film, would you do as
good as anyone, better than anyone? Then it's you know,
I think it's a little bit of a different story.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
So yeah, and it's social years ago. Doesn't spread, you know,
like it did so well.

Speaker 1 (38:05):
I came on the podcast the next week and I
was complaining because I'm like, Dan doesn't follow me on Twitter.
I want to know how he saw this tweet because
I purposely didn't tag you on the tweet because I'm like,
I'm not going to put at Dan Rolovsky when the
guy's getting knocked, Like I you know, I was trying
to like it, and I'm like, but I'm like, how
did he see this? How did I didn't mean to
cause a hit stor on me.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
I was trying to be respected me very quickly.

Speaker 1 (38:31):
All right. Before I let you go, we got to
discuss some food things, because this is sort of part
of having fun, letting people know what you're about. You've
become this post boy for bad food takes. I loved it.
When I did some research before the podcast, GQ referred
to you as the weirdo King of ESPN. What how
did that? I would? I hope your wife has that

(38:53):
on the refrigerator, a little magnet with that headline on
the refrigerator at home.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Honestly, I think it's too things one. I am very
much so just genuinely me and I understand that I'm
weird to some people. I'm very simple, Like I'm just
I'm a very simple person in my life as well,
you know, like when Shaye the other day was like,
I'm consistent after the basketball game, you know, with I'm

(39:20):
just simple. I'm a very simple person. So I think that,
you know, it gets a life of his own.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
The weirdo king of est men. So here's what I
wanta do. I'm just gonna throw out some food foods
at you and I just want to get your take
on some things and we'll see how weird gets.

Speaker 2 (39:36):
All right, I'll be honest.

Speaker 1 (39:37):
Pizza pizza, Let's start with this. Do you like pizza?

Speaker 2 (39:40):
Absolutely? Adore pizza?

Speaker 1 (39:42):
Okay? Now, what is the preferred way of what's you're like? God?
Do you get like the Sicilian? You get the regular?
Are there toppings? Do you do the are you give
me like a regular?

Speaker 2 (39:52):
You know, relatively regular. I'd probably lean a little thin crust,
but regularly to be honestly that I know a ton
of difference with Sicili in a deep cress Like no, just.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Regular Sicilian is square in Sicilian is square and thick
regular is round triangle.

Speaker 2 (40:07):
Yeah right, it's a regular. The vegetables on it are
disgusting and all that. Like, I'll, you know, maybe like
my favorite pizza in the world is from Colony Pizza
and Fairfield, Connecticut, and it's hottle and sausage. So so
I'll do occasionally like a pepperoni or something like that.
I do like a white pizza, chicken cutlet pizza, but

(40:29):
no vegetables or anything like that.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
Do you have a favorite pizza place in the city
in Manhattan?

Speaker 2 (40:34):
I don't think I've ever been in New York City
for like a specific pizza dinner. I've tried to go.

Speaker 1 (40:40):
Dan and then then can someone at ESPN take Dan
to Joe's Pizza? Please? Can I take you one day
to Joe's Pizza? We got's one day. We gotta get
Dan to Joe's Pizza. Oh my god? All right? Ice cream?
Do you like ice cream?

Speaker 2 (40:59):
Love ice cream? Don't eat it a ton just because I.

Speaker 1 (41:02):
Preferred preferred flavor? Do you do anything if? What would
you put on it? Nothing?

Speaker 2 (41:07):
Would we two things? The people who order fruit flavored
ice cream? That's weird. Just deep fruit guys too vanilla?
I got nothing for you? Like why even get it?
It's literally plain? Min chocolate chip is my favorite. I
love anything that has like a chocolate in it. I
don't do nuts and ice cream or whatnot, so mid

(41:29):
chocolate chip, but cookies and cream, a double fudge brownie,
something like that.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
So a strawberry ice cream you're not doing?

Speaker 2 (41:36):
Why just have strawberries?

Speaker 1 (41:39):
Well, I'm not a big straw I you know what
I like? I like, I don't know if you count
this as a fruit, I don't think it's well, I
guess it would be a fruit. I like cherry vanilla.
You have have cherry vanilla ice cream.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
I love cherries. I would like like I think Ben
and Jerry's has a great like cherry Garcia. I think
where it's cherries and dark chocolate because I love dark chocolate.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
Okay, now I think I read in the GQ article
they called you the weirdo king of Espann. You just
you detest the greatest candy of all time, which is
the Reese's Peanut butter Cup.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
No, I don't detest it. I just think it's wildly overrated,
Like if I have them frozen in my house at
home right now. I had one last night. I like
a frozen dark chocolate Reese's Peanut butter cup, but the
I don't like milk chocolate that much. And I think
that everyone's like, oh my gosh, this is the greatest candy.
No it's not. Kick Cat is way better.

Speaker 1 (42:31):
Okay, where do you stand on like a steakhouse? Do
you like to go to a nice steakhouse?

Speaker 2 (42:37):
Love steak love a good steakhouse.

Speaker 1 (42:39):
How do you really how do you get this. How
do you get the steak cooked medium? Okay, all right,
all right, you're bouncing back.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
My wife a butterfly. It my wife a butterfly and
well done in it. But uh, but I'm pretty predictable
when I go to a steakhouse as well, Like I'll
get a caesar salad, no antrovies, I'll get a filet,
and then the sides are going to be probably something
to do with the potato as ong as there's not
like a bunch of weird stuff in it, some French
fry something like that.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
That's a good take. I have no issues but any
of that take. But you know, and the caesar salad,
they put the anchovies in the dressing that you don't see.
It's like mashed up in there.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
Yeah, it's just like it's not there. You know, it's
not there.

Speaker 1 (43:20):
Give me the like the number one food that if
you ate it you would vomit and throw up and
want to just die minus ketchup.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Yeah, I'm not gonna lie. When we were in Germany,
I had salmon soufle with you know, Charlie Yuke from
NFL Network. So Charlie made me do that. I wanted
to get into a fizzle. So that and also last
week on a golf trip with some buddies, they made
me try oysters. They were God, didn't do it.

Speaker 1 (43:51):
Didn't do it for you?

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh my gosh a texture.

Speaker 1 (43:55):
That's okay? Yeah, all right that that that one not
too bad. But we have to get you to a
New York City pizza place.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Done.

Speaker 1 (44:03):
Man, this is just I cannot believe you've you've never
We got to fix that one, all right. I appreciate
you coming on one of the busiest people in all
of sports. Uh, ESPN, what do you have specific days?
Let me play? I mean, we know you're on gettof
four minutes. Oh Jesus, go ahead. I appreciate it. Dan,
be well, take care, Thanks for doing this, all right,

(44:25):
take care?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
All right?

Speaker 1 (44:27):
Joining me now, as he does every week from w
f A N Radio in New York, s n Y
TV in New York. My buddy Salakata was getting ready
to move.

Speaker 4 (44:36):
So can you believe it? Two weeks I think we're
uh we're away from yeah, two weeks actually from.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
Were still we're still on pace yeah for now?

Speaker 3 (44:48):
Yeah, who knows anything.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
I'm glad. I'm glad we're on pace. The people are worried.

Speaker 3 (44:53):
The people we're on peace, but like we're not. Even
the house is impact up.

Speaker 4 (44:58):
It's like it's just it's a nice dealing with the
people who are working on the new house. I can't
wait for this nightmare to be over. It went from
one disastrous situation to another. I can't deal with it.
It's too much.

Speaker 1 (45:12):
There it is, and there it is. Wait till and
when you move, especially you moving houses, like you think
you're done and you're never done. Like you're gonna be
bitching a moaning for weeks and weeks and weeks.

Speaker 4 (45:25):
Right, I'm hoping it doesn't only get worse, but I
have a fear that it might.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
It'll get worse and then it'll get better. That's how
it goes.

Speaker 2 (45:32):
KS.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
So you on this podcast two weeks ago when I
had Greg Gianatti on and Gianatti joined us for train
of thoughts. It was the three of us doing training thoughts.
So so I got good feedback on You said that
you did not know until very recently that Donald Trump
was running for president. So when the news came out

(45:57):
on Tuesday about Aaron Rodgers, the first thing I had
to do was tech sal and I said, I just
have to ask, do you know who RFK is? And
you wrote back and you said no, And I gotta
be honest, that was the only answer I was expecting.

Speaker 3 (46:15):
I should like, should I actually know who he is?

Speaker 1 (46:20):
I think if you're an adult, you should know. You
should know that he is going to be a third party.
He's trying to run for a third Well, you should
know him for one reason. He's married to Cheryl from
Curb Your Enthusiasm.

Speaker 3 (46:36):
Oh see, I know Cheryl.

Speaker 1 (46:39):
And you should know that in November it's going to
be Trump versus Biden, and Robert Kennedy Junior is going
to also be running as a third party candidate because
he said Democratic.

Speaker 4 (46:50):
Yeah, he'll waste his time and everybody else is so like,
obviously I know who Biden is, I know who Trump is.
I assume that Kennedy was like John Kennedy's son or something.
I know JFK and no RFK he's one of the
Is he the one that David Lamee Bennett's like, there's
there's many Kennedy's.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
Out there that I'm aware of.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Yeah, that's John John that's in the that that was
in the Masturbation episode when she was out and then
they got oh John John, I think that his cousins.
They're cousins. All right, Well whatever, Okay, so have you
learned who he is in the last twenty four hours.

Speaker 3 (47:27):
Not really.

Speaker 4 (47:27):
Other then he said he's seventy and he's going to
run for president with either Jesse the Body Ventora or
Aaron Rodgers is his running mate.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Okay, so that's that's what you need to know. You've
got the gist of it.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I wrote this today and I honestly believe this. I
think now isn't I don't think Aaron Rodgers is going
to accept the position of his running mate, but I
think if he did, it's the greatest fountain of content
that's ever been and produced in the history of sports media.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
If Roster runs for vice, a.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Current NFL quarterback running on a ticket, we've never seen it.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Yeah, I mean, I'm trying to think if I like,
it's nothing, we're Jesse the Body, Like.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
I know, he's been in politics, he was a governor.

Speaker 4 (48:23):
I understand that, but he still, you know, went from
wrestlers politician.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
Right. I think my mind being blown by that happened
years ago. I'm just imagining, like Rogers taking snaps on
a Sunday afternoon against the Bills while he's vice president?

Speaker 4 (48:44):
Could he actually I'm not even kidding. I don't think
the answer is yes. But could he actually do both?

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Well?

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Then hit like Robert Kennedy Junior has no chance to win,
like no chance, so it's all so it would be fascinating.
I mean, I don't see how he can do both
being a vice president.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
He has no chance period or no chance. If Rogers
is on the ticket and.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Playing for no no, no chance period, it doesn't matter who
is no no, no chance period, Like the third party
candidates get like one or two percent of the vote,
like they have no they don't win any electoral colle
like they don't. There is no chance.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
But he'd probably get my vote, honestly, not to get political, but.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
Well, I think you just summed up every single problem
with America twenty four hours ago. You didn't know who
he was and how you're saying you'd vote for him.

Speaker 2 (49:33):
So what more do you know?

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Why do you know? Why do I know?

Speaker 2 (49:36):
Do I know? Why? What?

Speaker 3 (49:38):
Why I vote for him?

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Because you like Anon Rodgers?

Speaker 3 (49:42):
No? Well, no I do, But that's not why.

Speaker 4 (49:44):
I mean come on, I mean, I'm not ridiculous, although
you shouldn't put that past mere right because he's.

Speaker 3 (49:49):
Not one of the other two.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
Well again, I've had my bill.

Speaker 4 (49:54):
I mean, come on, No, I couldn't tell you either
about I couldn't tell you a lot about either.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
I'm done with both for different reasons.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Okay, So Sal RFK has Sal's vote. That's what we've learned.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
It could be him, it could be whoever is just
not them.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Aaron Rodgers will be happy to hear that. Yeah, there
you go. You should tweet him and say, you know,
go Aaron VP.

Speaker 4 (50:19):
What I'd really like is Jesse the body maturedor round
for president with Rogers as his running mate. Now that's
a combination.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Yeah, I just I don't care. Like I'm just trying
to think, like if there's even a one I guess
there isn't. But like even if there's like a if
there is a one percent chance that Aaron Rodgers would
retire so he can go be the running mate, would
be like the greatest story in the history of sports.

Speaker 3 (50:49):
No way, By the way, I don't even believe this story.
I believe this is a rf no leak.

Speaker 1 (50:56):
Well it's not an RFK leak. He's the one who
gave the quote. R f K, hey gave the quote.

Speaker 4 (51:01):
Right, So there's right. This is from RFK side, not
Aaron Rodgers. I'm cutty disgusted. I don't think Rogers said hey,
I'm gonna be on your ticket.

Speaker 1 (51:10):
Rogers wants to Oh No, I think I think Aaron
Rodgers told RFK to leak it because so he can
be getting all of the detention. Yeah, and Aaron Rodgers
one on.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
One, No, you and I just well it has nothing
but has not.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
To do with disagree. If Aaron Rodgers, Aaron Rodgers could
have made this story go away the second it came out.
All you to do is go on Twitter and say
I'm gonna be the Jeck quarterback. I'm not. I'm not
joining any political ticket. That's all you gotta do. But
here we are twenty four hours. Lady hasn't done that.
Why because he's in heaven right now. Why why wouldn't
he go on Twitter and say it's not I mean

(51:43):
he has a Twitter account. All hes dow was go
on Twitter always do to say Now he endorsed RFK
last week. He put out a tweet last week with
a video and endorsed Robert Kenney, which is fine. He's
allowed to do that. I have no issue with that.
He should do that, you should endorse. So if he
could do that, then why can't he come out on
Twitter and just say hey, so the New York Times

(52:04):
sorry honored that Robert would think of me as his
running mate, But I'm the Jets quarterback.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
What do you think?

Speaker 4 (52:10):
What do you think would be more effective that tweet
or waiting to go on McAfee.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Well, for his purposes of just getting all the attention
he could possibly get, he'll wait as long as he
can to dispute it. Like you know, I haven't seen
that he's he's on MACA. He's not on McAfee today.

Speaker 2 (52:30):
No, I know.

Speaker 4 (52:30):
I'm just saying maybe he's gonna go on there. So
I have no idea what's going on.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
I just I'm just saying, if he was, if he
was annoyed, if he was annoyed by that story, he
has the power and the ability to end it in
one tweet, right, But he doesn't because I think he's
I think I will say this. I think he's doing
this because he loves the attention. And I also think
he did this for RFK to get attention. Like I

(52:58):
think he's like, this is a big hole. Like he's saying, Okay,
I'm not going to dispute this. Let this play out,
because then there are people like you who you weren't
familiar with him. Now you're familiar with him. So like
the plan is working, why end it now? So I
think they both love what's going on. And again I

(53:18):
can't do the Aaron Rodgers is the victim here because
all he has to do is go on Twitter and
say Robert said he Because here's the thing where this
did not come from Rogers. This came from RFK jr.
So and the Times didn't make it up because they
got the quote directly from RFK jr. So it all

(53:40):
he has to all he has to do is say Robert.
I appreciate Roberts saying he would consider me for a role,
But I'm a quarterback. I'm an NFL player, I have
a contract with the Jets. Let's go get him in
twenty twenty four. That's all he has to do.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
And maybe he will in due time.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
Yeah, because right now he wants to get the attention.
Why else wouldn't he do that? Well, you know, what
would I be.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
Who knows what he's doing? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
I mean right away, well, would you be happy if
you were a fan of a team and the quarterbacks
trying to maybe get into politics, right.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
But but also like to your point, he obviously likes
this guy, so he doesn't want to do damage to him,
but he also could.

Speaker 1 (54:25):
That would be doing damage. But that would be doing
damage to say, I can't be vice president. I have
to play football, right, But but to me, it's ridiculous
that his name would be even brought up.

Speaker 3 (54:35):
So, you know, unless he comes out and says, hey, I'm.

Speaker 4 (54:39):
Going to be I'm actually gonna be running with this guy,
I'm retiring, which I'm not buying.

Speaker 3 (54:43):
I'm just gonna wait.

Speaker 4 (54:44):
On Rogers to make his statement, and I believe that
it's going to be one of not distance from the candidate,
but distance from the idea of him running.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Right. But he could do that at any time, right.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
Right, So why do it now just because people are
clamoring further people going nuts? The season doesn't start for
a while, we're in the off season.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
Well, because this is what he's gonna do, Because when
he does address he's gonna be like, oh, I can't
believe what the media did to me. All they did
was run with this story and they had me retiring
and I just can't believe the way they did this,
And typical media blah blah blah, you could stop at
any time you want. But then he gets to be like,
that's that's the whole game.

Speaker 4 (55:25):
When he does do that, there's gonna be a spin
on it again, just like Oh, Rogers can't get enough
of himself. He goes on McAfee show to deny rumors
of him. You know, I do think the media against him.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
Well, the game is get attention and then act like
the victim. That's the game. He does it with every
single thing, So like, this wouldn't be any different. If
you don't want to talk about this, you don't have
to because it's your station. I don't want you ever
coming on here talk about your station. But Tiki versus
Saquon Barkley, if you sign a thirty million dollar, thirty

(55:58):
nine million dollar contract, why are you on Twitter arguing
with people.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
Like yeah, and I you wrote about it?

Speaker 1 (56:05):
Yeah good, No, I read what.

Speaker 3 (56:07):
You wrote about it.

Speaker 4 (56:08):
And while I love Sae Kwon Barkley and wish him
the best, Like I think he did a great thing
taking the most money from the Eagles. I thought him
responding to Tiki was just unnecessary and image like, what
are you doing?

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Go enjoy your new contract. And and I'm not gonna
rip him for this because We've all done it. I've
done it, You've done it. Every single person on social
media has done it. He saw the tweets, he saw
the headlines. He didn't watch the clip. If you watch
the clip, you know Tiki wasn't serious, right, So you
gotta I think Sequon gets dinged for that a little bit.

Speaker 4 (56:44):
Even I was like, damn, because I didn't see it
initially and I read the quotes and I was like,
that is so not seaky. Like I've done shows with
I've gotten.

Speaker 3 (56:54):
A note Seki.

Speaker 4 (56:55):
He is as nice as human being as I've ever met,
almost sometimes to a like, well like Tiki, come on,
get on somebody your radios now. So I give him
credit for saying his strong opinion, But if you did
watch it or listen to it, there's no way And
if you know Tiki, and by the way, Sekuon knows Tiki,
if you know like they know each other, so if
you know him, there's no way you would think that

(57:17):
that was meant that a personal oh you're dead to.

Speaker 3 (57:20):
Me, like from Tiki being a fanboy.

Speaker 2 (57:23):
He's not.

Speaker 3 (57:24):
He's representing how a lot of fans felt would light right.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
He was doing sort of an imitation of the New
York sports fan who gets man when someone signed to
it arrival, it's you know.

Speaker 3 (57:36):
Yeah, should have just ignored it, like, you know, come on.

Speaker 4 (57:39):
And then to double down and not only acknowledge it,
but to say that you were always hitting on me,
which is just not true at all.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
Is ridiculous. I know, I know, totally ridiculous. The news broke,
I believe after we taped last week, so we I
never weighed in on Good More Owning Football moving, which
is interesting because they're in the same building as you
SNY where Sal works Monday through Friday, six o'clock at

(58:08):
night Baseball Night in New York. Is the host of there.
Good Morning Football is in that studio, and now the
show is gonna be They're gonna go on hiatus for
like the summer and then move to La because the
NFL has studios in La. I guess by Sofi Field
or whatever. And what I just want to focus on
for a minute is the the comical nature of the

(58:30):
NFL here, like they're moving the show because they don't
want to pay the rent in the in the SNY
building where you guys are now. The NFL network is
a separate budget than the NFL owners, Like the owners
get like, you know, whatever it is, one hundred billion
dollars from TV contracts or whatever, that's the owner's money.
It doesn't go. But I don't care what the breakdown

(58:54):
is of, Like what's the NFL network budget, what the
NFL owner's way. Cadel's making sixty million the salary. Okay,
I can't listen to the NFL act like we need
to hold a telethon for them. And they're going to
move this successful, super successful show from New York to LA.
So you have to assume not all the hosts are
going They all live in New York, they all have families,

(59:16):
they all have young kids. Jamie Artall's pregnant right now,
and they're going to do this because they don't want
to pay rent for a studio. The NFL, which prints
money that is hard to take.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Yeah, I mean I do understand it from the business aspect,
like why pay a different amount whatever it may be
to do a show in New York where we just
have everything under one umbrella. It doesn't make it right.
I understand it as long as to me and I
don't know the details. I mean, I followed along by
reading your column like I'm hoping and assuming that everybody

(59:57):
on the show has their job if they move, not
saying it's easy, but as long as they don't get.

Speaker 3 (01:00:02):
Yeah, well go ahead, you have an update.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
So what I was told from that, I was told
from the NFL all four hosts are have been invited
to continue being hosts and move to LA and do
the show, which, by the way, they'd have to be
on the air at five am local time.

Speaker 4 (01:00:17):
But that's all others, Well, that's a that's a different story,
because that's as somebody who's done overnights for an extended period,
that's essentially an overnight, Like you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:26):
To be on the air by five, right.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
You've got to be there.

Speaker 4 (01:00:31):
Yeah, well, I was gonna say up at three the latest.
I mean I used to roll out of bed ship.
I mean, you know, some one time I slept through
the alarm, woke up and did the show an hour later.
But like TV is different animal, you got to get there.
There's there's a long you know, it's a long produced show.
The makeup, the dress, all that stuff. Yeah, it takes
hours of prep, probably before the show.

Speaker 2 (01:00:53):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:00:53):
You would know better than I would talking to those guys.
But that's that's a brutal time slot.

Speaker 1 (01:01:00):
So the show currently airs from seven am to ten am,
which would have meant at four am start time when
they go to LA. But the show is going to
get cut to two hours. It's going to be from
eight to ten, So even eight to ten cutting that
first hour, they're on the air at five am LA time,
So like they have to be there, I would assume

(01:01:20):
no later than three, right, you figure.

Speaker 3 (01:01:22):
Out yeah, I mean, like I said, you might be
able to get three.

Speaker 1 (01:01:25):
Thirty three thirty yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
It depends what they want to do for prep, what
they have to.

Speaker 4 (01:01:30):
Do, how long it takes to get you know, the
make up ready and air and all that stuff brutal.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
I just don't like that. I don't like that the
move has been made without any assurances of who's going.
You don't want to mess with that cast. It's a
great great cast, it's a great show, and you just
it seems inedible that it's going to be messed with.
And that's that's the bummer of it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
You're saying, because you think that all four would.

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Not want to I would be shocked if full four went.
I'd be shocked. Just you know, like McCarty doesn't need
to go. He does games for CBS right when he
lives in Jersey. He went to Rutgers. He's got kids,
he's got you know, I don't know. I don't know
what else will you care watch get into the NCAA

(01:02:14):
tournament at all? I say no, I mean for you.
For me, I will, but.

Speaker 4 (01:02:19):
Probably a little bit only because of Saint John's the
local angle.

Speaker 3 (01:02:24):
I've been following them a little bit this year. But
outside of that, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:02:29):
Man, you and I I used to be into it.
We've talked about this over the years. I don't even
enjoy filling out the brackets anymore. It doesn't do anything
for me. There's it used to be fun working with
Mike and Chris and they get pizza and it'd be
a big thing and it'd be fun pools.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Now it's just not like that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
So without those fun pools and the camaraderie and watching
those games that otherwise I wouldn't give a shit about.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
I just it doesn't do anything for I had no
rooting interest.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
I haven't filled out a bracket in probably seven or
eight years. But you're in the games individually, all right,
we don't need to I need to bring that up.

Speaker 3 (01:03:06):
Well, I'm sure I'm actually like, is that how you because.

Speaker 1 (01:03:09):
If not, of course, But no, Here's what I did today.
Woke up and I saw that there was a game
on at eleven thirty in the morning. I said, Okay,
it's Wednesday at eleven thirty. How do you not bet it? Blindly?
Bet it got crushed?

Speaker 4 (01:03:26):
Ah, there you go, yeah blind best I'll looking. Yeah,
I'll be looking for like I'm a big storyline guy,
so I'll like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Ye yea and all that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I get into all.

Speaker 1 (01:03:36):
That throwing the bait out there. I love it. I
don't even know who the number one team in the
country is, so I don't I don't even know what
the storylines. Ah did you watch Curb?

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
I think I'm almost caught up. What was the last
one I saw? A fish stock?

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
The last one that this week was? But was he
in the billboard. You probably didn't see it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
If no, I might not. I think I started to
watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
Lloy Lachlan was on.

Speaker 3 (01:04:09):
Oh no, no, she's on.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
It Bad job by sal No, she was on this
past week.

Speaker 4 (01:04:16):
I watched too this week. Actually on Monday, I watched two.
I didn't get to watch the final one yet. I
think it was too beyond I gotta check out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:23):
Mostly are you? Are you watching something else that kerb
keeps getting put on the back burner every week?

Speaker 3 (01:04:29):
Do you want to know the truth to that? Oh? No,
what Love is Blind has taken over my life?

Speaker 1 (01:04:38):
Good grief? Is that on the Netflix?

Speaker 3 (01:04:41):
It is? Yet I've heard a lot about it. I
was like, you know, what is that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:45):
The one that's hosted? Is that the one hosted by
Nicholas Shay and his wife?

Speaker 2 (01:04:49):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:04:50):
Yes, that's all Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:04:52):
My wife and I have took a deep dive into
it just this season and binge twelve episodes, which is
probably more than twelve hours total in the last three
days or four days.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Wait a second, Wait a second, wait a second. So
you're binging the current season?

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Yes?

Speaker 1 (01:05:15):
Now? Is it one of those things that all the
episodes go out at once or they put one out
a week.

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
I know.

Speaker 4 (01:05:20):
I don't think they're all out at once. As a
matter of fact, the finale, the Reunion, which I cannot
wait for. I think that came out today as we
record this, but it was not available. I think it's
like they dropped a couple at a time, maybe six
at a time.

Speaker 3 (01:05:34):
I'm not one hundred percent sure.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
So they had the season twelve episodes, and you figured, okay,
let's watch this whole season, and then you watched the
whole episode, the whole season, the twelve episodes over three days.

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
That's all. Whatever.

Speaker 4 (01:05:44):
Yeah, we started. We started this weekend. I finished last
night on the train ride home. So I screwed you
because I didn't listen to I didn't watch Curve.

Speaker 3 (01:05:51):
On the way home.

Speaker 1 (01:05:53):
Okay, but you said you're watching with your wife. Now
you tell me you watch it on the train.

Speaker 4 (01:05:56):
We yes, we watched the whole thing this weekend. Obviously,
with me working, we couldn't connect, and I wanted to
watch it so bad that she actually started the twelve
episode without me. So I was like, all right, I
forget it, just watch it and I'll watch it on
the train on the way home.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
All right, so you watch it. Love It is great
love love No, love is love is blind over, It's
a no.

Speaker 4 (01:06:20):
I watched Curb. I watched two episodes of Curb. I
just didn't pick up the last one. I don't know why,
and I just haven't gotten around to it. I'll watch
it tonight, which is no good for you or else,
but I'll catch up this week exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
Yeah, wonderful.

Speaker 2 (01:06:33):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:06:33):
I want to talk about Laura Lachlan.

Speaker 4 (01:06:35):
So I want to watch the one with Lourie Lochlin.
But I finally sold the one with Richard Lewis. And
now I know what you meant. Where he looked, he did.

Speaker 3 (01:06:42):
Not look well, you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, the last episode was a little rough. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:06:48):
I don't know if I feel that way because of
we know what happened, or just because he did look
a little rough, but he didn't look great.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
Yeah. Yeah, But he is so funny on that show.
I mean, just all those clips that came out after
he passed away. Oh my god, he was so funny
on that show. There was a great one. It sort
of reminds me a little bit. It reminded me a
little bit of you and me in a way. We're
not this this blatant about it. But there was an
episode where Richard and Larry make a plan to go
to lunch and then Larry went there, Richard didn't show up,

(01:07:21):
and I was like, why don't you show up. He's like, well,
there was no confirmation, and he's like, the plan is
the confirmation. It was like, I'm not going to get up,
get dressed and go somewhere without a confirmation. And was like,
but that is the confirmation. And they argue about if
you're supposed to confirm. I saw that scene recently. I
was in tears. It was so good. So all right,
sal we will see you next week. Be careful if

(01:07:42):
you decide to bet the tournament.

Speaker 3 (01:07:44):
No, yeah, buyer, beware. Nobody knows anything about it yet
they bet like animals. Good luck.

Speaker 1 (01:07:51):
That's why the casinos is standing in Vegas. Yeah all right,
so take care, all right, all right, my many many
thanks to Dan or ALASKI had fun talking to him.
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(01:08:13):
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