December 6, 2022 • 32 mins
All Jessica Easterly Durning ever wanted was her happily ever after. She finally met and married her Prince Charming and became a mother. But when Jessica goes missing, the fairytale she once dreamt of, quickly fades to black.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (01:02):
First of all, let me just say to the family
of Jessica, I want to thank them for being at
this place, at this site.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I know it is not easy.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I know every time they come anywhere close to this
area they are reliving the worst moment of their lives.
As many of you probably do know, two years ago,
we unfortunately lost Jessica after going missing. Jessica's sisters found
her deceased just steps away from where we're standing right now,
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And since that day, this family has had absolutely no
closure in this case.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
They've gotten no answers in this case.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
This is from a press conference I attended that on
August eighth, twenty twenty one. The man speaking is New
Orleans District Attorney Jason Williams. The woman he just mentioned
is Jessica Easterly Darning, the person at the center of
this story. Jessica wasn't a New Orleans native, but it's
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where she spent a good chunk of her life, right
here in the neighborhood of Lakeview, where this press conference
was held. By appearance alone, nothing bad could ever happen
in this charming Maybury esque setting. But on August twenty second,
twenty nineteen, this is where Jessica was found, just a
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stone's throw from her own home. And who made that
gruesome discovery not trained investigators nor innocent bystanders, but her
own family.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Of today's press conference on these railroad tracks, however, is
to make a very clear and a very direct.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Public appeal to this community.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We need you to speak up, because in order to
solve cold cases and unsolved murders, all of.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
The law enforcement community needs your help.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
This city, the five thousand plus unsolved cases, needs your help.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
This family needs your help. I need your help, and.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I want to say to this family, just like I
said to Jessica's mother, this is important for the folks
behind me, but this is important to every single family
that has lost a loved one and has not had
the closure of having that case solved. You have our
thoughts and prayers, and you know that, but this family
needs more than that. This family needs us to work
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and work together. This family needs just to be a team.
This family needs closure and deserves justice.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Some people in this neighborhood didn't even know this case existed,
didn't even know that Jessica went missing or that she
was found dad. So it all comes back to did
the police do the footwork to ask people around here, hey,
did you see anything you know? Did you see this girl?
And if they did, how hard did they canvas. My
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name is also Jessica, Jessica Nole. I'm an investigative journalist
and I've been covering this story for some time now,
but I didn't go it alone. With me is my
partner and good friend, Todd Macomas, a retired detective who
brings his own set of skills, ones that can hopefully
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help make a difference in this case, a case that
sits in limbo with the New Orleans Police Department growing
colder with each passing day.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
If I'm one of the detectives called out here, I'm
immediately gonna just say out loud, what a weird place
to dump a body?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
What a weird place to find a body?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Just because I literally can go forty yards over here,
and I have a tree line that's very still overgrown
that I could tuck anything in there and no one
probably find it for a.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Very long time. So it's just weird to me. I know.
The location of where she was found is just it's troublesome.
It's troublesome unless it was by design.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
When we first visited the site where Jessica was found,
admittedly we knew very little about her story, our questions
were simple and straightforward. How about what you would expect
given the circumstances.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
I just keep going back to, what are the odds?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
What do you? What are you doing back here? Why
is your life in? Why does your walk in if
no one brought you here? Why this spot? Why this
side of this neighborhood?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And that's the undetermined question. Jessica's case it's not just
a question of who's responsible for her death. It's also
a question of how she died, questions that emerged when
the corner listed both her cause and manner of death
as undetermined, a catch all when there's insufficient evidence to
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say it's homicide, suicide, accidental, or natural. The word undetermined
has loomed over this case, sparking outrage and Jessica's loved
ones leaving. Investigators don't that's why we are here searching
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for answers. Answers about Jessica's life.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
But I think it's part of what held her in
place after she was ready to leave, is she had
this dirty secret.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I just wish I would have known then better before
we really got involved with their lives and about her death.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Her C four vertebrae as well as her grip was broken,
and there's a post motive.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I might have some information that y'all would find helpful.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
From resonate recordings and Tenderfoot TV. I'm your host, Jessica Nole.
This is undetermined. From time to time, Jessica's family travels
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from Mississippi to the New Orleans neighborhood of Lakeview, where
Jessica lived and where she died, or at least where
her body was found. With a freshly printed stack of flyers,
they move from street signs to telephone poles, hanging them
one at a time in Jessica's name, making sure that
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people here don't forget about her. The flyers read what
Happened to Jessica Easterly. Jessica's family has always been of
the belief that someone in this neighborhood has information that
could help solve her mysterious death. Since day one, the
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family has done everything in their power to keep this
case alive. They're a dedicated group, and it's their dead
vction that brought me to Biloxi, Mississippi, where Jessica was
born and where our story begins. Fifteen. To understand more
about Jessica and her life, I started with those who
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knew her best, Jessica's sisters, Amanda and Audrey.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
I'm Amanda Barnes, I am Jessica's little sister.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I'm Audrey, and I'm Jessica's older sister.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
Audrey and I are half sisters. Our father married Jessica's mother.
Jessica's our stepsister.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But in our family, if we don't say half sisters.
That's not our thing, Mamma day.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
I got married in April of eighty nine, just before
I turned ten. They were only together for about a
year before they got married.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So we'll just say I was sixteen, so that would
have made Jessica eleven or twelve at the time. A
photo of the three sisters together depicts this day of celebration.
They're all smiles and we're matching formal lace dresses with
poofy sleeves. While becoming a blended family is etched into
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their memories the first time the sisters met. He is
a little bit hazy, But one thing Audrey also known
as Audre, does recall is Jessica couldn't take her eyes
off her I used.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
To wear black lipstick, holy jeans, and my hair stick
up away high.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
All she ever did was stare at me.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
I think she might have said hi, but she just stared, like,
oh God, what is that?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Growing up, Audrey was admittedly a rare sighting at the house.
I didn't really stay home. I was always out and
about I was a teenager, I was gone. I just
want to get the hell off the house and go
be with my friends. Amanda and Jessica were only a
couple years apart and had a closer relationship at the time.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
She was my older sister in high school whenever I
was just getting into high school. Didn't have a lot
of the same friends because of the age difference. But
if she had someone over, I was welcome to go
hang out with them. You know, as you get older
and you're not that pesky little sister anymore. And said,
you're someone that she could show me how to do
my makeup, because God knows that I had no idea
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how to do any of that, you know, getting dressed
for like homecoming or something. She would help pick out
that type of stuff. She was a typical older sister.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Eventually they meshed as blended families often do, but it
was deeper than that.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It was love.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
There was love there, like you could tell you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
I mean, no family is perfect. I'm not trying to
say that we're the white picket fence to story house
kind of people, but it was pretty typical childhood.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
After graduation, Jessica started her journey into adulthood. In the
summer of nineteen ninety four, she left home to attend
the university of South Alabama for speech pathology and audiology,
and that's when Maria, her friend of twenty five years,
came into the picture.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
My name is Maria Kreole, and I was Jessica's best friend.
We met when Jessica was in college. She was dating
the boy that lived across the street from me, whose
younger sister I was best friends with at the time.
You couldn't not hit it off with Jessica. She was
just such a quick wit, like she always had something
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funny to say, like just off the cuff, like quick, quick, quick,
like if you had something to say, she had a
funny response, and you couldn't just not enjoy being around her.
She was four or five years older than me, so
maybe not so much in common, but maybe I was
just like the annoying little kid. Well we first met,
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you know, she was in college and it was like
fifteen or sixteen, so she tolerated me, and she was
like the cool, you know, college chick that I was
just like, you know, I just wanted to be like her.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
She's funny.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
She could just be so polished, just like in an instant,
like pretty updoo and pearls, just so quick. She could
turn around on Audrey Hepburn looks so fast. She was
always down for like a little adventure. She was quick to,
you know, grab a bottle of Frensia or a box.
That was a running joke. Hey, I got a box
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of wine with your name on it.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Jessica was already in college and living with her boyfriend
when she took in the then rebellious teenager low as
Jessica lovingly nicknamed her. Maria lived with Jessica for about
six months before making a college cheer squad and moving
into the dorms. After a year and a half in Alabama, Jessica,
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now twenty three years old and single, moved back to Mississippi.
She began working at the nearby casinos as a server,
bringing her and her younger sister Amanda closer together, and
shortly after the two sisters moved in together in New Orleans.
Jessica found work on casino boats along the coast and
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did well with her outgoing personality, and it wasn't long
before she locked eyes with a man named Justin Derning.
At the time they met, Justin was married to Jessica's
friend Lauren.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
She was talking about Justin and her friend about them
having problems whenever I was still living with her. Part
of our problem with piecing together Jessica's timeline about exactly
when and how Justin and her were together. She kept
a lot of things secret for a very long time.
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She painted things in positive ways that as we learn
things from her, either we thought this doesn't sound like
it quite adds up all the way over to oh,
this is bullshit.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Her sister says. Something in Jessica changed after she met Justin,
But what that was they couldn't quite put their finger on.
One thing was for sure. They had some pretty serious
reservations about Jessica being with Justin from the beginning.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
The beginning of their relationship was shrouded in mystery for
a long time, and a lot of things we did
not know the truth of until after she died. Whenever
I first met him, shook his hand, he seemed okay.
Within about thirty minutes of us sitting in there is
when I started getting the this isn't right. There's something.
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I don't know what it is, but my hackles are up.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I don't know why, but you know what they say,
love is blind and had found her prince charming. She
was ready to settle down. She wanted a family. On
July fifteenth, twenty eleven, Jessica announced on Facebook that she
and Justin had moved in together. She joined the home
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he shared with his elderly father, Justin Senior, and teenage
daughter Grace. Jessica posted a photo of the two of
them with the caption it was love at first sight.
We met on a boat and have been together ever since.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
I think that Jessica hit a point in her life where.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
She wanted to believe in love.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Does she feend love Love conquers all and everyone's yay?
Speaker 8 (16:40):
And she'd be the stay at home mom bringing her
kids up and the husband high honey, how was your day?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
The beaver cleaver type thing.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
Yeah, that's what she wanted in life.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
On February twenty fifth, twenty fifteen, at sunset, Justin and
Jessica tied the knot at the hard Rock Cafe Hotel
and Casino in her hometown of Biloxi, wearing a halter
top white satin dress adorned with a silver jewel embellishment.
It was the day Jessica had dreamed of, the day
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she became a wife and a stepmom, Jessica's friend since childhood.
Erica Badard Russell, was one of the few invited to
the intimate nuptials and described the tone of that day.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
It was very small, not plan. The only thing plan is.
They rented a room. It wasn't even like a ballroom
or anything. It was like a suite with a little
living room and a kitchen. She wasn't even ready for it.
They had a preacher. I helped her make her bouquet
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when I got to the room before the ceremony even started.
I believe that was her only friend there. It was
a weird day. How they got married on the little
balcony and then that was it. I don't even remember
an official ceremony. I don't remember a wedding cake. It
may have been, but I don't remember it. I just
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remember feeling uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Erica remembers that Justin seemed nervous and didn't seem to
share the same enthusiasm as Jessica, which makes sense. For
Jessica it was her first marriage. Justin, on the other hand,
had been married twice before, but all that was easily
overshadowed by Jessica's sheer joy.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
She was giddy she was absolutely giddy. Her mom was quiet.
She was like, I can't believe I'm going to marry
the love of my life. I'm so lucky.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And just like that, Jessica had her own little family.
In the days following the wedding, Erica got to know
Justin a little better.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
It was just I mean, the way he acted, the
way he tried to control everything, the way he would
talk down about her family to make her hate them more.
I feel like he was the reason why her mother
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became a little bit different. I mean, he would tell
her things that would make her so angry. A lot
of times he would answer her phone and start talking.
I'm like, well, where's Jessica. Well, she just ran out
to go get Gracie. She ran out to do this.
She ran out to do that. Okay, I don't know
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why he had her phone. He wouldn't necessarily call me.
We would end up talking because I would be calling
for Jessica or I would be talking to Justine. He
takes the phone.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Towards the end. This is how Erica remembers many of
their calls going. It made her miss the way it
used to be.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
I loved our little talks. She always would tell me
love me. She'd just say love you, my Erica. I
would tell her love you to my chest.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I wish I could go back.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I wish I wish I could relive one of those moments,
I mean, some of the good times again.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
And as the years passed, friends and family felt more
and more distant from Jessica. Their concerns about her mounted,
and it would all come to a head in August
of twenty nineteen. From here everything would start to unravel.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
She contacted me on the twelfth, The thirteenth came and
went without contact. So then on the fourteenth she didn't
call me, and I didn't hear from her. My phone
dinged it's justin but it's from Jessica's account, and he's
saying he doesn't know where she is. And like, my
whole body just went cold. I don't know how to
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describe it other than that, but I just felt a
chill all over. And so I texted him back and
I was like, okay, well, what about her phone like
and he was like, nope, phone, ID everything, it's here
with me. I was like, okay, well I'm calling the police.
He was like, well, uh, you're just gonna freak grace
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out as like you just said. She was already worried,
Like what is there to freak out about? What do
you mean her mom is missing? She's already freaked out.
And I said, if Jonathan came home and my cell phone,
ID vehicle was here and I was missing, and the
kids were here by themselves, he would already be talking
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to the police, Like right now, I'd be standing in
the yard talk to the police, Like I shouldn't have
to send them to your house. So I called the police,
and the dispatcher that answered I was trying to explain
to her. I was like, look, I need y'all to
go over there and figure out what's going on. And
then I got like a message from him came down,
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and I was like, he just told me that he
called y'all, but I'm on the phone with you. He
just said he called y'awn and you said you had
he had to wait to file a missing person. I
was like, but I'm not saying file a missing person.
She was like, oh, hang on, because we wouldn't tell
him that. She suddenly was hearing me loud and clear,
and so she was like, Okay, we're on the way.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It's Wednesday, August fourteenth, twenty nineteen, just after ten pm.
Two officers pull up to the Derneys home. This is
audio from the ENERPD body cam footage we obtained from
Jessica's family. As the officer approaches the one story brick house,
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he shines a flashlight ahead of him to light his way.
He cautiously approaches and illuminates the front storm door, but
an interior door blocks any view inside. Shifting to the left,
he sheds light onto the brick, revealing the address placard,
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verifying he's in the right place. But before he can
knock or ring a doorbell, a man walks over from
the side of the house to greet the officers, along
with his leashed German shepherd.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
Oh did you live here? We're told? Is no one
ill here? Someone sick here? He'll we got a call though, Yeah,
I know my.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Wife, Justin's dog is inconsolable the moment he sets eyes
on them.
Speaker 10 (24:10):
Let him just say hi. So he's not far to
these you guys.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
You go see how over?
Speaker 10 (24:13):
Okay, So all right, we're just exciting.
Speaker 11 (24:16):
Hey baby, Yeah, he's rambling.
Speaker 10 (24:20):
He's going through a bunch of training right now. Yeah,
basically service anyway.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
Yeah, so, yes, So what's going on with my wife?
Speaker 12 (24:32):
About twelve o'clock I came home and we sat and
talked and I lay down to good nap.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
And the car's here, her wallet's here, everything's here. And
I'm not trying to freak my daughter out because.
Speaker 12 (24:45):
She's fifteen, just started anyway, I'm freaking because this is
not indicative of my wife. So I called everybody I know,
and I know I know called for the well check
a friend of hers in Alabama.
Speaker 10 (24:58):
And I mean, you guys are well, come in if
you want to take a look.
Speaker 11 (25:01):
At Sure you called? No, they call because she's what
are missy? I'm sure your wife she's gone, her car's going.
Speaker 10 (25:09):
Now, cars here, a wall, it's here. How long ago?
Speaker 11 (25:11):
How long she's been going?
Speaker 10 (25:12):
Like twelve thirty, twelve, fifteen, day thirty. I fell asleep,
So I don't today. Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Initially, Justin describes a situation as unusual, not indicative of
his wife, but as their conversation continues, he starts to
switch gears a bit.
Speaker 12 (25:31):
She's depressed, bipolar, but she saw meds and stuff and
it's it's normal.
Speaker 10 (25:35):
I mean, she she handles it. She's five five six
five seven, one hundred and fifteen pounds, dark brown hair, preddy.
Her birthday Saturday.
Speaker 11 (25:48):
She's taking medics.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
Yeah, she's on medicine.
Speaker 12 (25:50):
But I mean it's not even it's not like I mean,
we've been through the ring with the sex stuff with her,
and she's a psychologist by trade, so not to show.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
Yeah, she says she left before like this is the
length of time.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
Never, never, and that's what's got me concerned.
Speaker 11 (26:06):
But I mean since twelve thirty dight.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
She just apparently warned it off and we're just now
getting a call.
Speaker 12 (26:11):
I mean, well, no, what happened was is I woke
up about four oh, I came home from school.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
I woke up round.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Okay, piece was made and a piece of was made, okay,
and she's gone right.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
And the car is here, the keys are here versus here,
so you know, and she doesn't go wandering off.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
She's not from here. She's lived here seven years, six
six years, so you.
Speaker 12 (26:31):
Know, I was kind of giving it and you know,
another hour or two yeah, before I called you guys,
because let's.
Speaker 11 (26:36):
See if she wondered back. I mean, she's never done
that anymore.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
No, no, no, no, and that's that's my concern. And
you know, we've we've been a little bit.
Speaker 12 (26:47):
This has been real resposed out for a couple of
reasons because like a fifteen year old since uh and
she got overwhelmed right before going to high school for
the first time.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
Man, okay, well you you you checked off some good
places that that you need to check, the hospitals in
the jail.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
I would never put anything like it in the.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Jail, you know, but at this point, I think of
could people were required?
Speaker 10 (27:08):
Of course they told me twenty four hours.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Now, well the circumstances though, twenty four hours another coming
to play. She just she disappeared. I mean, right, you
could have done this for four dollars ago. I mean
it's it's suspicious due to her medication and all that
other stuff.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
I would think she's been she's made complain I mean
I checked it.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
Right, right, Well, there's reason for alarm, yeah it is.
But you you you know made those checks. That that's good.
That's that's pretty fanty.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
What else to do?
Speaker 12 (27:34):
I mean I left the phone best because I started
to do GPS, you know, to see if I can
find out the tablet, the phone, the first everything she.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
Made a pizza.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Oh, she left phone, everything, the nothing to trace her.
Speaker 12 (27:45):
Well, what happened was my phone blew off my motorcycle.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
Yeah that was great.
Speaker 12 (27:49):
Fifteen hourd bucks fly off the handle bars for my
fault anyway.
Speaker 10 (27:52):
So we're kind of sharing a phone, but usually if she.
Speaker 12 (27:55):
Goes somewhere, she'll take the phone because I had the
iPad at home.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
As officers are wrapping up their wellness check, the conversation
turns a little more casual.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
The thing is, if she wondered about in Lakeview, Lakeview,
people are.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
Going to call that and that's just eighty four. Yeah,
so yeah, oh, oh my goodness. Yeah, I got the
house the old fashioned way. Oh yeah, my mother passed away.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
Oh I know. Yeah, I've seen this house for years.
Speaker 10 (28:22):
My dad. My dad's eighty six.
Speaker 11 (28:23):
I've been seventy nine.
Speaker 12 (28:25):
I've been seventy nine. John, oh, forty four, forty forty Wow,
before I thought you about to see your forty four,
I'm I'm forty seven. No freaking way, I'm looking at
Jpso right now I gotta get out of the house.
Speaker 11 (28:41):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good work, that's a good quace
to work. It is.
Speaker 12 (28:45):
I'm just forty six. I'll be four six, your first
time law enforcement, the first time law enforcing.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, just before leaving, the other officer times in and
let's justin know that another n OPD unit will be
coming out soon and they'll call ahead of time so
we can put his dog away before they arrive.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
My name's j Justin, brother by Valery Jay, I'm a junior. Okay, yeah,
I mean time.
Speaker 12 (29:11):
Yeah, here, thank you, brother Michael on all right, your
name Jay Darny.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's important to know that no police report is created
from this wellness check, per our public records request. But
as promised, approximately two hours later, another unit from the
n OPDS Third District would return to the home, this
time to open an official missing person's investigation. And let's
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just say this visit would be quite different from the first.
Speaker 13 (29:52):
Hey, we're on this twenty one m it's actually my neighbor.
They live three houses away from me. Yeah, he's a
strange individual to the husband. I've lived here for three
years now and I see him outside all the time,
but I have never seen this woman ever. I've always
wondered where his wife is because I knew that he
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was married, but I've never seen him to me, It's
just like someone's.
Speaker 11 (30:20):
Not ready here.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
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Speaker 2 (01:02):
First of all, let me just say to the family
of Jessica, I want to thank them for being at
this place, at this site.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
I know it is not easy.
Speaker 2 (01:16):
I know every time they come anywhere close to this
area they are reliving the worst moment of their lives.
As many of you probably do know, two years ago,
we unfortunately lost Jessica after going missing. Jessica's sisters found
her deceased just steps away from where we're standing right now,
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And since that day, this family has had absolutely no
closure in this case.
Speaker 3 (01:49):
They've gotten no answers in this case.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
This is from a press conference I attended that on
August eighth, twenty twenty one. The man speaking is New
Orleans District Attorney Jason Williams. The woman he just mentioned
is Jessica Easterly Darning, the person at the center of
this story. Jessica wasn't a New Orleans native, but it's
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where she spent a good chunk of her life, right
here in the neighborhood of Lakeview, where this press conference
was held. By appearance alone, nothing bad could ever happen
in this charming Maybury esque setting. But on August twenty second,
twenty nineteen, this is where Jessica was found, just a
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stone's throw from her own home. And who made that
gruesome discovery not trained investigators nor innocent bystanders, but her
own family.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
Of today's press conference on these railroad tracks, however, is
to make a very clear and a very direct.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Public appeal to this community.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
We need you to speak up, because in order to
solve cold cases and unsolved murders, all of.
Speaker 3 (03:19):
The law enforcement community needs your help.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
This city, the five thousand plus unsolved cases, needs your help.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
This family needs your help. I need your help, and.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
I want to say to this family, just like I
said to Jessica's mother, this is important for the folks
behind me, but this is important to every single family
that has lost a loved one and has not had
the closure of having that case solved. You have our
thoughts and prayers, and you know that, but this family
needs more than that. This family needs us to work
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and work together. This family needs just to be a team.
This family needs closure and deserves justice.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Some people in this neighborhood didn't even know this case existed,
didn't even know that Jessica went missing or that she
was found dad. So it all comes back to did
the police do the footwork to ask people around here, hey,
did you see anything you know? Did you see this girl?
And if they did, how hard did they canvas. My
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name is also Jessica, Jessica Nole. I'm an investigative journalist
and I've been covering this story for some time now,
but I didn't go it alone. With me is my
partner and good friend, Todd Macomas, a retired detective who
brings his own set of skills, ones that can hopefully
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help make a difference in this case, a case that
sits in limbo with the New Orleans Police Department growing
colder with each passing day.
Speaker 4 (05:13):
If I'm one of the detectives called out here, I'm
immediately gonna just say out loud, what a weird place
to dump a body?
Speaker 5 (05:23):
What a weird place to find a body?
Speaker 4 (05:25):
Just because I literally can go forty yards over here,
and I have a tree line that's very still overgrown
that I could tuck anything in there and no one
probably find it for a.
Speaker 5 (05:39):
Very long time. So it's just weird to me. I know.
The location of where she was found is just it's troublesome.
It's troublesome unless it was by design.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
When we first visited the site where Jessica was found,
admittedly we knew very little about her story, our questions
were simple and straightforward. How about what you would expect
given the circumstances.
Speaker 5 (06:05):
I just keep going back to, what are the odds?
Speaker 4 (06:08):
What do you? What are you doing back here? Why
is your life in? Why does your walk in if
no one brought you here? Why this spot? Why this
side of this neighborhood?
Speaker 1 (06:19):
And that's the undetermined question. Jessica's case it's not just
a question of who's responsible for her death. It's also
a question of how she died, questions that emerged when
the corner listed both her cause and manner of death
as undetermined, a catch all when there's insufficient evidence to
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say it's homicide, suicide, accidental, or natural. The word undetermined
has loomed over this case, sparking outrage and Jessica's loved
ones leaving. Investigators don't that's why we are here searching
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for answers. Answers about Jessica's life.
Speaker 6 (07:09):
But I think it's part of what held her in
place after she was ready to leave, is she had
this dirty secret.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
I just wish I would have known then better before
we really got involved with their lives and about her death.
Speaker 7 (07:26):
Her C four vertebrae as well as her grip was broken,
and there's a post motive.
Speaker 5 (07:33):
I might have some information that y'all would find helpful.
Speaker 1 (07:40):
From resonate recordings and Tenderfoot TV. I'm your host, Jessica Nole.
This is undetermined. From time to time, Jessica's family travels
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from Mississippi to the New Orleans neighborhood of Lakeview, where
Jessica lived and where she died, or at least where
her body was found. With a freshly printed stack of flyers,
they move from street signs to telephone poles, hanging them
one at a time in Jessica's name, making sure that
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people here don't forget about her. The flyers read what
Happened to Jessica Easterly. Jessica's family has always been of
the belief that someone in this neighborhood has information that
could help solve her mysterious death. Since day one, the
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family has done everything in their power to keep this
case alive. They're a dedicated group, and it's their dead
vction that brought me to Biloxi, Mississippi, where Jessica was
born and where our story begins. Fifteen. To understand more
about Jessica and her life, I started with those who
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knew her best, Jessica's sisters, Amanda and Audrey.
Speaker 8 (09:21):
I'm Amanda Barnes, I am Jessica's little sister.
Speaker 1 (09:25):
I'm Audrey, and I'm Jessica's older sister.
Speaker 8 (09:29):
Audrey and I are half sisters. Our father married Jessica's mother.
Jessica's our stepsister.
Speaker 1 (09:36):
But in our family, if we don't say half sisters.
That's not our thing, Mamma day.
Speaker 8 (09:43):
I got married in April of eighty nine, just before
I turned ten. They were only together for about a
year before they got married.
Speaker 1 (09:51):
So we'll just say I was sixteen, so that would
have made Jessica eleven or twelve at the time. A
photo of the three sisters together depicts this day of celebration.
They're all smiles and we're matching formal lace dresses with
poofy sleeves. While becoming a blended family is etched into
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their memories the first time the sisters met. He is
a little bit hazy, But one thing Audrey also known
as Audre, does recall is Jessica couldn't take her eyes
off her I used.
Speaker 7 (10:25):
To wear black lipstick, holy jeans, and my hair stick
up away high.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
All she ever did was stare at me.
Speaker 7 (10:33):
I think she might have said hi, but she just stared, like,
oh God, what is that?
Speaker 1 (10:40):
Growing up, Audrey was admittedly a rare sighting at the house.
I didn't really stay home. I was always out and
about I was a teenager, I was gone. I just
want to get the hell off the house and go
be with my friends. Amanda and Jessica were only a
couple years apart and had a closer relationship at the time.
Speaker 8 (11:01):
She was my older sister in high school whenever I
was just getting into high school. Didn't have a lot
of the same friends because of the age difference. But
if she had someone over, I was welcome to go
hang out with them. You know, as you get older
and you're not that pesky little sister anymore. And said,
you're someone that she could show me how to do
my makeup, because God knows that I had no idea
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how to do any of that, you know, getting dressed
for like homecoming or something. She would help pick out
that type of stuff. She was a typical older sister.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
Eventually they meshed as blended families often do, but it
was deeper than that.
Speaker 5 (11:41):
It was love.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
There was love there, like you could tell you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 8 (11:45):
I mean, no family is perfect. I'm not trying to
say that we're the white picket fence to story house
kind of people, but it was pretty typical childhood.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
After graduation, Jessica started her journey into adulthood. In the
summer of nineteen ninety four, she left home to attend
the university of South Alabama for speech pathology and audiology,
and that's when Maria, her friend of twenty five years,
came into the picture.
Speaker 6 (12:17):
My name is Maria Kreole, and I was Jessica's best friend.
We met when Jessica was in college. She was dating
the boy that lived across the street from me, whose
younger sister I was best friends with at the time.
You couldn't not hit it off with Jessica. She was
just such a quick wit, like she always had something
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funny to say, like just off the cuff, like quick, quick, quick,
like if you had something to say, she had a
funny response, and you couldn't just not enjoy being around her.
She was four or five years older than me, so
maybe not so much in common, but maybe I was
just like the annoying little kid. Well we first met,
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you know, she was in college and it was like
fifteen or sixteen, so she tolerated me, and she was
like the cool, you know, college chick that I was
just like, you know, I just wanted to be like her.
Speaker 8 (13:13):
She's funny.
Speaker 6 (13:14):
She could just be so polished, just like in an instant,
like pretty updoo and pearls, just so quick. She could
turn around on Audrey Hepburn looks so fast. She was
always down for like a little adventure. She was quick to,
you know, grab a bottle of Frensia or a box.
That was a running joke. Hey, I got a box
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of wine with your name on it.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Jessica was already in college and living with her boyfriend
when she took in the then rebellious teenager low as
Jessica lovingly nicknamed her. Maria lived with Jessica for about
six months before making a college cheer squad and moving
into the dorms. After a year and a half in Alabama, Jessica,
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now twenty three years old and single, moved back to Mississippi.
She began working at the nearby casinos as a server,
bringing her and her younger sister Amanda closer together, and
shortly after the two sisters moved in together in New Orleans.
Jessica found work on casino boats along the coast and
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did well with her outgoing personality, and it wasn't long
before she locked eyes with a man named Justin Derning.
At the time they met, Justin was married to Jessica's
friend Lauren.
Speaker 8 (14:35):
She was talking about Justin and her friend about them
having problems whenever I was still living with her. Part
of our problem with piecing together Jessica's timeline about exactly
when and how Justin and her were together. She kept
a lot of things secret for a very long time.
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She painted things in positive ways that as we learn
things from her, either we thought this doesn't sound like
it quite adds up all the way over to oh,
this is bullshit.
Speaker 1 (15:12):
Her sister says. Something in Jessica changed after she met Justin,
But what that was they couldn't quite put their finger on.
One thing was for sure. They had some pretty serious
reservations about Jessica being with Justin from the beginning.
Speaker 8 (15:30):
The beginning of their relationship was shrouded in mystery for
a long time, and a lot of things we did
not know the truth of until after she died. Whenever
I first met him, shook his hand, he seemed okay.
Within about thirty minutes of us sitting in there is
when I started getting the this isn't right. There's something.
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I don't know what it is, but my hackles are up.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I don't know why, but you know what they say,
love is blind and had found her prince charming. She
was ready to settle down. She wanted a family. On
July fifteenth, twenty eleven, Jessica announced on Facebook that she
and Justin had moved in together. She joined the home
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he shared with his elderly father, Justin Senior, and teenage
daughter Grace. Jessica posted a photo of the two of
them with the caption it was love at first sight.
We met on a boat and have been together ever since.
Speaker 8 (16:30):
I think that Jessica hit a point in her life where.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
She wanted to believe in love.
Speaker 6 (16:36):
Does she feend love Love conquers all and everyone's yay?
Speaker 8 (16:40):
And she'd be the stay at home mom bringing her
kids up and the husband high honey, how was your day?
Speaker 1 (16:47):
The beaver cleaver type thing.
Speaker 7 (16:48):
Yeah, that's what she wanted in life.
Speaker 1 (16:52):
On February twenty fifth, twenty fifteen, at sunset, Justin and
Jessica tied the knot at the hard Rock Cafe Hotel
and Casino in her hometown of Biloxi, wearing a halter
top white satin dress adorned with a silver jewel embellishment.
It was the day Jessica had dreamed of, the day
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she became a wife and a stepmom, Jessica's friend since childhood.
Erica Badard Russell, was one of the few invited to
the intimate nuptials and described the tone of that day.
Speaker 7 (17:27):
It was very small, not plan. The only thing plan is.
They rented a room. It wasn't even like a ballroom
or anything. It was like a suite with a little
living room and a kitchen. She wasn't even ready for it.
They had a preacher. I helped her make her bouquet
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when I got to the room before the ceremony even started.
I believe that was her only friend there. It was
a weird day. How they got married on the little
balcony and then that was it. I don't even remember
an official ceremony. I don't remember a wedding cake. It
may have been, but I don't remember it. I just
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remember feeling uncomfortable.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Erica remembers that Justin seemed nervous and didn't seem to
share the same enthusiasm as Jessica, which makes sense. For
Jessica it was her first marriage. Justin, on the other hand,
had been married twice before, but all that was easily
overshadowed by Jessica's sheer joy.
Speaker 7 (18:33):
She was giddy she was absolutely giddy. Her mom was quiet.
She was like, I can't believe I'm going to marry
the love of my life. I'm so lucky.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
And just like that, Jessica had her own little family.
In the days following the wedding, Erica got to know
Justin a little better.
Speaker 7 (19:04):
It was just I mean, the way he acted, the
way he tried to control everything, the way he would
talk down about her family to make her hate them more.
I feel like he was the reason why her mother
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became a little bit different. I mean, he would tell
her things that would make her so angry. A lot
of times he would answer her phone and start talking.
I'm like, well, where's Jessica. Well, she just ran out
to go get Gracie. She ran out to do this.
She ran out to do that. Okay, I don't know
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why he had her phone. He wouldn't necessarily call me.
We would end up talking because I would be calling
for Jessica or I would be talking to Justine. He
takes the phone.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
Towards the end. This is how Erica remembers many of
their calls going. It made her miss the way it
used to be.
Speaker 7 (20:10):
I loved our little talks. She always would tell me
love me. She'd just say love you, my Erica. I
would tell her love you to my chest.
Speaker 6 (20:19):
I wish I could go back.
Speaker 7 (20:21):
I wish I wish I could relive one of those moments,
I mean, some of the good times again.
Speaker 1 (20:30):
And as the years passed, friends and family felt more
and more distant from Jessica. Their concerns about her mounted,
and it would all come to a head in August
of twenty nineteen. From here everything would start to unravel.
Speaker 6 (20:48):
She contacted me on the twelfth, The thirteenth came and
went without contact. So then on the fourteenth she didn't
call me, and I didn't hear from her. My phone
dinged it's justin but it's from Jessica's account, and he's
saying he doesn't know where she is. And like, my
whole body just went cold. I don't know how to
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describe it other than that, but I just felt a
chill all over. And so I texted him back and
I was like, okay, well, what about her phone like
and he was like, nope, phone, ID everything, it's here
with me. I was like, okay, well I'm calling the police.
He was like, well, uh, you're just gonna freak grace
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out as like you just said. She was already worried,
Like what is there to freak out about? What do
you mean her mom is missing? She's already freaked out.
And I said, if Jonathan came home and my cell phone,
ID vehicle was here and I was missing, and the
kids were here by themselves, he would already be talking
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to the police, Like right now, I'd be standing in
the yard talk to the police, Like I shouldn't have
to send them to your house. So I called the police,
and the dispatcher that answered I was trying to explain
to her. I was like, look, I need y'all to
go over there and figure out what's going on. And
then I got like a message from him came down,
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and I was like, he just told me that he
called y'all, but I'm on the phone with you. He
just said he called y'awn and you said you had
he had to wait to file a missing person. I
was like, but I'm not saying file a missing person.
She was like, oh, hang on, because we wouldn't tell
him that. She suddenly was hearing me loud and clear,
and so she was like, Okay, we're on the way.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
It's Wednesday, August fourteenth, twenty nineteen, just after ten pm.
Two officers pull up to the Derneys home. This is
audio from the ENERPD body cam footage we obtained from
Jessica's family. As the officer approaches the one story brick house,
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he shines a flashlight ahead of him to light his way.
He cautiously approaches and illuminates the front storm door, but
an interior door blocks any view inside. Shifting to the left,
he sheds light onto the brick, revealing the address placard,
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verifying he's in the right place. But before he can
knock or ring a doorbell, a man walks over from
the side of the house to greet the officers, along
with his leashed German shepherd.
Speaker 9 (23:41):
Oh did you live here? We're told? Is no one
ill here? Someone sick here? He'll we got a call though, Yeah,
I know my.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Wife, Justin's dog is inconsolable the moment he sets eyes
on them.
Speaker 10 (24:10):
Let him just say hi. So he's not far to
these you guys.
Speaker 11 (24:12):
You go see how over?
Speaker 10 (24:13):
Okay, So all right, we're just exciting.
Speaker 11 (24:16):
Hey baby, Yeah, he's rambling.
Speaker 10 (24:20):
He's going through a bunch of training right now. Yeah,
basically service anyway.
Speaker 9 (24:24):
Yeah, so, yes, So what's going on with my wife?
Speaker 12 (24:32):
About twelve o'clock I came home and we sat and
talked and I lay down to good nap.
Speaker 10 (24:37):
And the car's here, her wallet's here, everything's here. And
I'm not trying to freak my daughter out because.
Speaker 12 (24:45):
She's fifteen, just started anyway, I'm freaking because this is
not indicative of my wife. So I called everybody I know,
and I know I know called for the well check
a friend of hers in Alabama.
Speaker 10 (24:58):
And I mean, you guys are well, come in if
you want to take a look.
Speaker 11 (25:01):
At Sure you called? No, they call because she's what
are missy? I'm sure your wife she's gone, her car's going.
Speaker 10 (25:09):
Now, cars here, a wall, it's here. How long ago?
Speaker 11 (25:11):
How long she's been going?
Speaker 10 (25:12):
Like twelve thirty, twelve, fifteen, day thirty. I fell asleep,
So I don't today. Yes.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Initially, Justin describes a situation as unusual, not indicative of
his wife, but as their conversation continues, he starts to
switch gears a bit.
Speaker 12 (25:31):
She's depressed, bipolar, but she saw meds and stuff and
it's it's normal.
Speaker 10 (25:35):
I mean, she she handles it. She's five five six
five seven, one hundred and fifteen pounds, dark brown hair, preddy.
Her birthday Saturday.
Speaker 11 (25:48):
She's taking medics.
Speaker 10 (25:49):
Yeah, she's on medicine.
Speaker 12 (25:50):
But I mean it's not even it's not like I mean,
we've been through the ring with the sex stuff with her,
and she's a psychologist by trade, so not to show.
Speaker 11 (26:00):
Yeah, she says she left before like this is the
length of time.
Speaker 10 (26:03):
Never, never, and that's what's got me concerned.
Speaker 11 (26:06):
But I mean since twelve thirty dight.
Speaker 9 (26:08):
She just apparently warned it off and we're just now
getting a call.
Speaker 12 (26:11):
I mean, well, no, what happened was is I woke
up about four oh, I came home from school.
Speaker 10 (26:15):
I woke up round.
Speaker 9 (26:16):
Okay, piece was made and a piece of was made, okay,
and she's gone right.
Speaker 12 (26:21):
And the car is here, the keys are here versus here,
so you know, and she doesn't go wandering off.
Speaker 10 (26:26):
She's not from here. She's lived here seven years, six
six years, so you.
Speaker 12 (26:31):
Know, I was kind of giving it and you know,
another hour or two yeah, before I called you guys,
because let's.
Speaker 11 (26:36):
See if she wondered back. I mean, she's never done
that anymore.
Speaker 10 (26:39):
No, no, no, no, and that's that's my concern. And
you know, we've we've been a little bit.
Speaker 12 (26:47):
This has been real resposed out for a couple of
reasons because like a fifteen year old since uh and
she got overwhelmed right before going to high school for
the first time.
Speaker 9 (26:56):
Man, okay, well you you you checked off some good
places that that you need to check, the hospitals in
the jail.
Speaker 11 (27:02):
I would never put anything like it in the.
Speaker 9 (27:04):
Jail, you know, but at this point, I think of
could people were required?
Speaker 10 (27:08):
Of course they told me twenty four hours.
Speaker 9 (27:10):
Now, well the circumstances though, twenty four hours another coming
to play. She just she disappeared. I mean, right, you
could have done this for four dollars ago. I mean
it's it's suspicious due to her medication and all that
other stuff.
Speaker 10 (27:23):
I would think she's been she's made complain I mean
I checked it.
Speaker 9 (27:26):
Right, right, Well, there's reason for alarm, yeah it is.
But you you you know made those checks. That that's good.
That's that's pretty fanty.
Speaker 10 (27:33):
What else to do?
Speaker 12 (27:34):
I mean I left the phone best because I started
to do GPS, you know, to see if I can
find out the tablet, the phone, the first everything she.
Speaker 10 (27:42):
Made a pizza.
Speaker 11 (27:43):
Oh, she left phone, everything, the nothing to trace her.
Speaker 12 (27:45):
Well, what happened was my phone blew off my motorcycle.
Speaker 10 (27:48):
Yeah that was great.
Speaker 12 (27:49):
Fifteen hourd bucks fly off the handle bars for my
fault anyway.
Speaker 10 (27:52):
So we're kind of sharing a phone, but usually if she.
Speaker 12 (27:55):
Goes somewhere, she'll take the phone because I had the
iPad at home.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
As officers are wrapping up their wellness check, the conversation
turns a little more casual.
Speaker 9 (28:07):
The thing is, if she wondered about in Lakeview, Lakeview,
people are.
Speaker 12 (28:11):
Going to call that and that's just eighty four. Yeah,
so yeah, oh, oh my goodness. Yeah, I got the
house the old fashioned way. Oh yeah, my mother passed away.
Speaker 11 (28:19):
Oh I know. Yeah, I've seen this house for years.
Speaker 10 (28:22):
My dad. My dad's eighty six.
Speaker 11 (28:23):
I've been seventy nine.
Speaker 12 (28:25):
I've been seventy nine. John, oh, forty four, forty forty Wow,
before I thought you about to see your forty four,
I'm I'm forty seven. No freaking way, I'm looking at
Jpso right now I gotta get out of the house.
Speaker 11 (28:41):
Yeah. Yeah, that's a good work, that's a good quace
to work. It is.
Speaker 12 (28:45):
I'm just forty six. I'll be four six, your first
time law enforcement, the first time law enforcing.
Speaker 1 (28:50):
Yeah, just before leaving, the other officer times in and
let's justin know that another n OPD unit will be
coming out soon and they'll call ahead of time so
we can put his dog away before they arrive.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
My name's j Justin, brother by Valery Jay, I'm a junior. Okay, yeah,
I mean time.
Speaker 12 (29:11):
Yeah, here, thank you, brother Michael on all right, your
name Jay Darny.
Speaker 1 (29:20):
It's important to know that no police report is created
from this wellness check, per our public records request. But
as promised, approximately two hours later, another unit from the
n OPDS Third District would return to the home, this
time to open an official missing person's investigation. And let's
(29:41):
just say this visit would be quite different from the first.
Speaker 13 (29:52):
Hey, we're on this twenty one m it's actually my neighbor.
They live three houses away from me. Yeah, he's a
strange individual to the husband. I've lived here for three
years now and I see him outside all the time,
but I have never seen this woman ever. I've always
wondered where his wife is because I knew that he
(30:14):
was married, but I've never seen him to me, It's
just like someone's.
Speaker 11 (30:20):
Not ready here.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
Undetermined is a production of Resonate Recordings and tender Foot
TV in conjunction with Cadence thirteen. Written and hosted by
me Jessica Nole and produced by Dennis Cooper and Todd Mahomas,
with additional production by Whitney Bozart. Executive producers are Dennis Cooper,
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senior producer is John Street. Editing, mixing, mastering and sound
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