Succession Series Finale

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Warning. This podcast contained spoilers for the series finale of
Succession on HBO. Hello, my name is Jason Concepcion and

(00:23):
I'm Rosey Night and welcome to x ray Vision, the
Crooked Media podcast where we're diving deepen to your favorite show.
This episode movies, comics, and pop culture, but really just
one show, the finale, the series finale of Succession.

Speaker 2 (00:41):
YEP. In this episode, we've got actually kind of two
finales because it's the finale of Market Moves. The Market
Moves comes to an end as we talk about Succession
season four, episode ten, the series finale, one of the
greatest series finales of all time. I think I'm saying
it's happening, and in and out we've got Joe talking

(01:03):
about Netflix's Vulture and Legendary Defender. I'm very excited to
hear that because people love that show and the fandom
is very passionate.

Speaker 1 (01:10):
Coming up Market Moves the finale, series finale of my
series finale. Too much pain.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Here's what I say, pain sponges.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Here, you can take a break, put a sticker on
your brain. I can save your space.

Speaker 3 (01:37):
And I don't like eyes because they're face eggs. Clap
along if you suck the biggest stick in the room,
Clap along.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
If you feel like a puppet for Big Luke, clap along.
If you feel like your wife's slopes are filled with
the juice.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Go long.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
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Let's go.

Speaker 2 (02:10):
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Speaker 1 (02:13):
It's the finale of Marcot Moves. Yes, oh, folks, what
a show. What a finale? What an ascendance by Thomas
the Quizzling whams Gans. Let's get into it. We start
on deal Day, New York City. Ken arrives at waste
oar HQ. He's dapping up the crew. He's saying hi

(02:37):
to everybody. Hey, Hey, Corpy the DM everybody. Uh enter Telly, Telly,
who I love, has entered into our lives kind of
late in the life of the series. But Telly is
and every organization needs a Telly. Telly is the person
who's actually good at their job. But the powers that

(03:00):
keep Telly hidden away, like in a closet somewhere, and
you only really break Telly out when you need him,
but you do it privately, so nobody knows that Telly
is actually the one who knows.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Shit, Jason, are you saying they stashed Telly so nobody
saw the tapes. They keep him away.

Speaker 1 (03:16):
That's really what happened. So Ken walks in, and Telly
as the truth teller, and the guy who sees clearly
immediately briefs Ken on what's going on with Stewie. He
just got off the phone with Stewie's guy, and Stuwie
is they don't have Stewie, and Ken is like what who? What?
He pulls himself together and he says, Okay, I can

(03:40):
get Stewie on board. I'll just get a phone called
with Stewie and this is a play and this is
just a smoke screen, and I can get Stewie. And
if I don't get Stewie, there's like a couple. I
have some backups in mind, so we have a path
to getting the votes. And then Telly is like, okay,
but like your votes include Roman and where is Roman?
No one's seen Roman, nobody's heard from Roman and Roman

(04:03):
and Ken is like, don't worry. I got Roman. I
don't know where Roman is, but I got him. I
have his votes. I got him. It doesn't matter. I
don't know where he is. We go to Lucas HQ
where Shiv is telling Lucas the stewing news that Ken
doesn't have STEWI anymore, and she rattles off a straw pole.
She's got it all. Listen, Kelly does it in his head.

(04:25):
Shiv needs a little piece of paper, but that's okay,
and she rattles it off, and she's like, listen, you
can cut the pizza any way you want, but the
pie is all yours, Lucas, It's all go Joe baby,
It's in the fucking bag. And also not that I
care about it, Luke, but you know, Tom remember whatever

(04:45):
you know, Like, whichever way you want to go with that,
I'm good. And Lucas is like, listen, I've had a
few vibe checks with Tom. Uh and you know, what
do you think? What do you think? And Shiv is like, well, uh,
and I quote, he's very competent, but if he irks
you or if it's complicated, it is okay. He is

(05:05):
very plausible corporate matter, but he's also just a highly interchangeable,
modular part. And I would say that to his faith.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
She would, she definitely would say that, this absolutely fucking would.

Speaker 1 (05:17):
And she, you know, she lets Lucas know in closing
that Tom will suck the biggest dick in the room.
So let me ask prompt number one. Is that the
nicest thing that Shiv has ever said about Tom, that
he will suck the best.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
You know what, I will say, I believe in this
moment it is probably the best thing she's ever done Tom,
because I think this is the most important line in
all of succession, which is fantastic. And I think this
is the moment that Lucas Mattson knows Thomas his guy.

(05:55):
Because you know what, HIV can say that to Tom's face.
Tom would probably agree and add some flowery language about
how good he would be at sucking the biggest dick.
But if Chiv would never say that about herself. HIV
does not see herself that way, and that is what
Lucas needs. So this is Shiv's greatest gift to great

(06:18):
It's a great.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Call, and it leads us into our next prompt, which
we will get to shortly. But I think you're right
Number one. Shiv would say this and much worse to
Tom's faith. She'd say She's said lots of truly, truly
awful things over the course of this series too directly
to Tom's visage, including as I love to point out,

(06:40):
asking him on his wedding night if they could have
an ophoop marriage. Uh, and I agree with you. Clearly,
Lucas wants a quizzling, wants a puppet. Does not want
anybody with their own thoughts, who will voice their own thoughts,
who will even seem as if they're voicing their own thoughts.

(07:01):
He wants a pure cutout. And and Shiv letting Lucas
know that Tom will drop to his knees at the
snap of a finger, lets Lucas know that, Yeah, I
think Tom is the guy. Shiv takes a call from
her mom, Lady Caroline, the wonderful Lady Caroline coming in
a hot coming in absolute like star fucking power, unbelievable stuff.

(07:29):
So from this and we learned that Roman has gone
to ground at Mummy's house in Barbados, wonderful, wonderful little
little getaway place. Although Lady Caroline is you know, let's
know the need of the house. Obviously it's still leaking.
It's a it's a ship box. No, it's a beautiful mansion.
Shiv tells Lucas. Okay, I have a location on Roman.

(07:52):
He's with my mom. I'm going there to get him
because we need to have you know, we get Let's
get as many of the Roys on side as we
can so this thing isn't perceived as quote Lady Macbeth
Part two, which brings us to a prompt number two.
So we see in this scene that Lucas is a

(08:13):
little There is a vanity I think vanity fair piece
about Lucas, and the art is an illustration of Shiv
holding matts and strings making him dance to the tune,
so that Matson is the puppet, not Shiv. And clearly
this profile is is wondering you know who is really

(08:34):
running things at Gojo, And here is Shiv showing at
least that she has some awareness of that perception being
out there saying, you know, I don't want this to
look like Lady Macbeth part two. And we can get
another if we get to the roy if we get
Roman on side. Now it looks like there's two Roys
holding Lucas's strings and it's not just me being not

(08:56):
So this leads us to our Shiv comes from the
political world, communications in politics. How did she fuck this up?
How did she You know, if it was Ken Even
or certainly her dad or any other of the power
players here, they'd be on the phone to their version
of Hugo or Carolina and they'd be like, Okay, here's

(09:17):
this profiles coming. Make sure it makes me look like
the puppet, not Lucas. I'm the puppet. How did she
fuck this up?

Speaker 2 (09:25):
So the headline is really interesting because it says like,
is Lucas Madison taking over the world, but then it
has the puppet sh shift puppeteerium. I actually think this
is Shiv's own arrogance. I think Shiv and Kelly have
the same problem, which is they have so much self belief.
Schiv says something really interesting late in this episode where
she says like Mason believes in me, and it's like

(09:49):
she truly believes. She's like, well, this is just like
a funny image like and also it wouldn't be so
terrible if there was one bit of information that did
look like I was the one was puppeteering him, even
if it's just like a joke. I want people to
know that I'm a partner in this. And there's this
kind of like sparring ground look Shiv's biggest mistake throughout

(10:10):
all of this. As much as it has been absolutely
joyful to watch her stab her brother's love act, I
love it. She knew Madison was an abuser. She knows
he hates women, He makes Holocaust jokes. He is not
a person you can trust, and he's also not a
person who's ego you can ever stop stroking. And I
think it is that, like you said, Schiv fucked this

(10:30):
up because it's that duality of that, it's not a
coincidence he's reading that piece and she says that line
about Tom and then he makes that choice.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (10:41):
I think if there was, if it was if the
image had been the other way around, if it had
been him puppeteering her this kind of weird, you know, caricature,
he might have been more amenable to her being the puppet.
But I think, really it was never gonna happen because
she's a woman.

Speaker 1 (10:57):
Uh, I got the other way. I think it might
have happened. I certainly. Uh. The things that Lucas says
about Shov later lead me to believe that, you know,
he was pushing boundaries, and I think, you know, given
the right circumstances, he'd love to have Shiv working for
him to push those boundaries, you know, wherever he felt

(11:20):
like it. But I also feel like, when you're right,
this is Shiv's arrogance, she said. She says, as Lucas
is looking at the piece, Oh, do you want me
to call the reporter, She's the reporter on speed dial.
She probably sourced for him and probably told that. She
probably probably approved the oddest she probably said. And by

(11:40):
the way, just you know, on background, like I am, like,
I'm a partner and all this stuff. So I think this,
you're right, This was her arrogance. This was her wanting
to signal like, hey, I'm I'm a player. I'm also
a player, and I think it fucked her up. But
I do think that there was a world in which

(12:01):
Shiv acts supine enough and spineless enough and is on
top of this kind of messaging. You know it, you know,
is communicating and broadcasting to everyone who will listen. Hey,
it's Lucas running things. It's Lucas running things. I'm just
he just wants me here like as a as a flag,
a roy flag. And also because I have the the

(12:25):
you know, the next in line roy baby in my belly.
I think that I think there's a world in which
Lucas would have gone for it.

Speaker 2 (12:34):
I think you're right. I actually think that shows how
naive Shiv was in this situation, because actually that's a
very easy pr message, and she could have even like
if she could have just gotten over this need to
be like her brothers, she could have just even acted
that way to Matson in the room. She's always coming

(12:56):
in trying to talk about like numbers and like her
and he's like, you know what, one ship, you don't
know what you're talking about. None of you do. You're
none of you are serious people. That's the realist thing,
Logan said. Logan was right, ding ding ding ring the bell.
But also like you could have just played him. Mattson
is also not a serious person. Like you could have

(13:17):
played the subservient woman who's just gonna do whatever he says,
and then actually gotten your power from just the fact
that he really wouldn't have known what was going on
outside of his little fancy in his head. But instead
she wanted to play the big balls, you know, tough
girl boss situation, and as we know, there never goes well.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
It does not go well. Shiv then calls Tom, and
she has an interesting proposition. She says, Hey, wouldn't it
be great, Uh, you know, if you were so Ameniambal
to continue like maybe living this very very toxic lie
of ours, wouldn't that be convenient? You know, we can

(13:58):
lock it down right now, we can it back down
and start living his husband and wife again. You know,
if you're into that, what do you think?

Speaker 2 (14:08):
You know?

Speaker 1 (14:08):
What do you say? What's up? This is probably the
smartest thing that Shiv has done in this entire series,
because I think this is the thing that gives her
the out that we see the end of the episode
and Tom says he doesn't know.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I totally agree. Okay, mini prompt. Do you think Shiv
means it? Because there is a line where she says
to him, you know, we've already said the worst things
you can ever say to each other, so like we're
basically starting here knowing the worst things about each other.
That to me actually sounds like there is at least

(14:44):
five percent of her who's like, oh, maybe this could
be the least terrible option for me, rather than just
like it being kind of a pretense, I think there
is a tiny piece of her that sees some kind
of safety net in Tom emotionally or something. I think
there's like a sparkle that that this isn't just a pretense.

(15:07):
I think there's something in there where Sheiv knows like
she's a horrible person, but here's somebody who knows that
too and accepts.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
Uh. I think that there is that, you know, it's
that very it's that thing from that maybe people have
experienced in toxic and or codependent relationships where it's bad,
but the badness is kind of all you know, yes,
and you're comfortable with the badness. I think there is
something to that. I also think it's a I think
it's a power move from Shiv as well, in which

(15:35):
she is kind of, you know, just as she was
saying to Lucas, like, let's project a unified from continuity.
We get the Roys on side. It looks good. I
think from her perspective, it's going to be me. I'm CEO.
I bring my husband along. He's subservient to me.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
We have a child with the roy We have.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
A child with the roy name. It looks great. The
Roys are continuing to run waste and it burnishes my reputation.
As you know, the big Boss lady, and I think
it looks good, and I think that's the play.

Speaker 2 (16:13):
Play five, like maybe an inkling of something real deep down.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
I think she thinks she's saving Tom. Yes she does
at this point in time.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Oh the irony.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
Greg, who has overheard this phone call, immediately scampers off
to Ken's camp with the news of Romans location. Ken
then calls Mon and confirms, and he tells his his
a new assistant, New Jests, who he refers to as
new Jess.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Good for Jess, I'm glad she just called the funk
out of that. He doesn't even know. He doesn't my name.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Nud Jess, Nu Jess, he tells New Jess. Hey, listen,
book me on the book me on the on our
fastest private jet to the career. Shive arrives first in
Barbados to find Roman with fresh stitches over his brow.
Ken then follows as When Ken is pulling in, he

(17:12):
finally gets in touch with Stewie, who basically assures him like, yeah,
it's all good, we got it. Ken and Shive then
spar on which side Roman is on in front of Roman,
and Roman is like, you know, waffling back and forth.
Ken is losing his mind over it. Shiv then like

(17:34):
absolutely rubs her assumed victory. And this is pure Shiv.
She thinks she's won. It's not even the game hasn't
even started. There's no time. Yeah, she's got it fucking sewn.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
I wan and you guys are foxed and you just
need to accept it and celebrate me for fucking once.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
She does like the Allen iverson fucking step over of
Ken and it is it's almost you can see this
everything that happens in Barbados, including this kind of beginning.
And this is what's so great about this show is
that you can really feel this cycle of the siblings

(18:19):
come together. Yeah, one of them, one or several of
them think they've won whatever the thing is. Now they're
bickering and rubbing in each other's face. Then they have
a big blow up, then they come together, and then
it all falls apart, starting to cycle again. Like this cycle,
you just can feel that it has taken place multiple times,

(18:41):
over multiple things, over the course of their lives.

Speaker 2 (18:44):
You know what. It's such it's such brilliant writing because
in that moment, even though like Shiv is making so
many bad choices throughout this show, when she says to Kendle,
she's like, I won, Like, can't you just be happy
for me one time? Like you just celebrate me. I
actually was like, yeah, fucking yeah, because you know what,
they never do. Like, even though I knew it was

(19:06):
going to be a short lived victory for her, I'm like,
you know what, for once, she was the one who
managed to fuck you guys over, and it seems like
most of her life that has not been she has
not been the winning party, you know. But you're right,
that cycle of seeing them and that unbelievable closeness that
we get when they come together, and then it's it's
you know, it's the cycle of it's the promise, the betrayal,

(19:27):
the promise, the betrayal, the promise, the betrayal. That's and
it was started by their dad.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I completely agree with you about that. It would be
wonderful if the Roys were less toxic than they are
and yeah, and less uh, you know, traumatized, because clearly
Shiv must have done things over the course of her
life that would and should garner praise from her brothers.

(19:57):
At the same time, I look at this and I'm like, man, Shiv,
you actually have to win first, and that's it. That's
my deal with it.

Speaker 2 (20:08):
My favorite thing about this episode is that they managed
to balance these moments where you're just so invested in
the characters while also always reminding you, like, these are
terrible people and they're fucking idiots, Like they're really really
stupid and arrogant, and that is going to be their downfall,

(20:29):
and even that downfall comes with a cushion of billions
of dollars.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
We'll get to that in a moment because I can't
I really can't wait to talk about that. X Ray
Vision will be back, and we're back. Tom and Gregor
are at a gallery opening with Lucas. Lucas has been

(20:55):
dragging both of them around, doing this kind of like
open ended vibe check that you know, it's unclear that
Tom and Greg really know that's what it is, but
he's been keeping them close. Tom really can't figure out
how to talk about art. I forget the line, what
does he say? The colors really go well? And then

(21:19):
Lucas walks away and he goes over to Greg and
basically rakes Greg over the colls for not jumping in
to save like a lumpy conversation and letting him say, like,
I guess the colors go well, like does that what
even work? Is that good? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I think. Greg's like, shouldn't you have said together? And
He's like, yeah, the colors go, well, it's fine, it's fine.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Tom is like, listen, you need to figure it out
because like you're fucked, like Lucas hates you, like he's
gonna cut off your fucking head and fucking cut off
your dick and you're done, Like you're gonna be making
like no money. You're gonna be making like forty thousand
dollars a year. And Greg's like, actually he likes me,
and Tom is like, no, he fucking does not like you.
Prompt number three Rosie For people who don't care about art,

(22:05):
how do you pretend to care about art? What is
something you can say about a piece of art that
you don't care about that will make the person you
are standing with think this person really knows art?

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Okay, just say like a long word to be Like.
I've gone to many gallery openings when I was a
teenager in London. They would have them all the time,
and we would just go in them and just rinse
all the free drinks, like just trek every glass of wine,
and a lot of times they want kind of scrubby
looking kids in there because they feel like it makes
it feel like, it makes it street, it makes it authentic,

(22:39):
like they're they're gentrifying the neighborhood with a gallery. Let's
let some kids in. So we've been doing all the word.
So here are some great lines. This is the kind
of shit you hear when you go to these things.
If you're not sure what to say, just look at
and be like, oh, it's so esoteric.

Speaker 1 (22:52):
Oh I like that.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You can also be like, yeah, this one's really existential,
just like put a long word if it begins with
an e, you know, something like that. Or if you
want to be like if you're trying to impress Lucas
Matts and I'd just go around and be like, oh,
this is a little terrible. This is shit, Yeah exactly,
but you don't like it, like you know so much
about that, this awe is terrible, right, I'd be like.

Speaker 1 (23:15):
Let me try it. I'm standing next to Lucas. This
one's shit. This one's shit, also shit, this one is
powerfully erotic.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
Yes, that's perfect. This is like Lucas would hire you
as CEO. Goodbye, Tom. That's like he'd be like, Okay,
his ten million dollars, buy me a piece of art,
powerfully erotic art.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
The siblings come back together at Sunset and Barbados, and
here is really where I'm like, oh you can you
know whatever they were arguing about, the cars, the toys,
their toys, video games, whatever it was that they argued
about his kids. You can see how this exact cycle
played out over the course of their lives. They argue,
and now they come back together somewhere on the veranda

(23:58):
at the out and the you know, and in the
woods on the edge of the property and smoking weed
or having drinks, and now they're coming back together. So
this is what they're doing at Sunset. They've joined back
together to try and figure out how to take control
of the family legacy. But it starts with Shiv once again.
She's one. She wants to let them know that she

(24:20):
has won, and that she knows she has won, and
she wants them to just accept it, get used to it,
like admit I want I beat you and just deal
with it. Back with Lucas and Tom, they're having dinner,
making some small talk. Lucas doesn't like the Xerox Bronzino

(24:41):
of the life.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
I'm telling you this is why you say things as shit,
because most people like that don't like things or don't
want you to know that you like things. Tom compliments
the food, but Lucas hates it. If Tom had come
out with the I hate the food, he might have
gotten a little PowerPoint. But instead he proves exactly what
Lucas wants because as soon as Lucas said it's bad,
Tom's like, yeah, we might have been ill advised.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
This was yeah, And then he's like, I'm going to
fucking kill Greg. Like Greg is dead, I'll Greg. She
just like instinctively is like, let me fucking kick Greg.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
And then a little bit because Greg, because.

Speaker 1 (25:14):
Whatever Greg did, he did it poorly and we need
to figure this out. Uh. Lucas then says, okay, Tom,
you pitch yourself. Pitch yourself as the guy, pitch yourself
as CEO. Tom says, listen, you know, I'll keep it simple,
low costs, high margins. I will, you know, eat any

(25:37):
kind of shit that needs eating, day or night, anytime
of day that ship needs eating, I'll eat the ship.
Look at what I did for cruises that was a big,
huge pile of shit sandwiches, and I fucking ate it.
Also not mentioned in this conversation, but I'm going to
mention it for him. I you know, Tom was willing

(25:58):
to go to prison. He wasn't happy about it.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
He didn't like it. He was gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (26:03):
He was gonna eat that particular fece sandwich.

Speaker 2 (26:09):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
And then you know, he's happy to fire anybody anytime.
Like he will cut heads off and scoop out eyeballs
in his own words, he will make Greg do that.
But still, anybody that needs firing, he will fire. And
then Lucas is like, what about on a hang level,
you know? And then Tom was like, Man, I'm grinder.
I grind because I worry. I worry about, uh, you know,

(26:32):
my career. I worry about my personal well being. I
worry about everything, and that keeps me up at night.
That makes me means I'm working all the time, and
I'm gonna be worried about your interest. And I think
this was very I think this was very convincing for Lucas,
the way that Tom is completely and totally subservient and

(26:53):
not just that, but I heard in the Official Succession
pod sarsguard said that he in his mind Lucas noticed
that Tom wasn't at the funeral and he was working,
and he said, Aha, that just works. Yeah, he just
will work for me.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
I think it's also like incredibly honest in a show
where everybody lies. Tom's life has been absolutely fucking ruined
by his job, by his anxiety, by working for ATM,
by being with Shiv, Like everything he does makes his
life worse, and he will just keep doing it in
this pursuit of nice things, of wealth, of security, of status.

(27:32):
And I think that is very appealing to Lucas because
that's exactly what he wants. And he sees that Tom
is already someone who's in a deep amount of pain
and personal turmoil, and that's great because that's exactly what
Lucas wants. Lucas wants a pain sponge.

Speaker 1 (27:49):
He sees that turmoil. I love that term pain sponge
so good. Lucas sees that turmoil, he sees the subservience
of Tom, and he says, Okay, let's see how.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Yes, how.

Speaker 1 (28:03):
See how just how badly you want to lay on
my lap lap dog. Here's my concerns with your wife, Chivroy,
My concerns about her are number one on a just
business level. She has too many ideas. I don't need that.
I have my own ideas. My mind's going way too fast.

(28:23):
In fact, I probably have some sort of add kind
of underlying issue, and I don't need somebody coming in
and kind of like mucking up what is already chaotic
thought process. I need somebody who's just gonna execute and
follow orders. And then also, you know there's this thing
where like I kind of want to fuck your wife,
and you know I've already done that with Ebba.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
And I think your wife would fuck me. That's why
I think you're like and I think she would fuck.

Speaker 1 (28:50):
Me under the right circumstances. I really think your wife
would also fuck me. Sorry if this is weird, by
the way, and to which Tom replies, no, no, no, no, men,
we're both men.

Speaker 2 (29:00):
That's when he senses the job. That's it. He absolutely
the moment that the job is his.

Speaker 1 (29:06):
He ties the fucking ball on it right there, and
Lucas says, you know, we get messy if I fucked
your wife and again she wants it. Uh, And so
I thought, why not get the guy who put the
baby and the baby lady.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Lucas Madson the world's biggest misogynist, just like unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Next prompt, what the fuck does that mean? Can this
play that one to me? Okay, so what does that mean?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
I think that Madson is like an old school like
piece of shit misogynist, Like he is like, well, a
woman doesn't get pregnant, a man gets her pregnant, right right,
And rather than me hiring a woman who is stupid
enough to get pregnant, like why don't I hire the
guy who was clever enough to get her pregnant? Like

(30:00):
he's I think this whole like why move by you? Good?
Move by you?

Speaker 1 (30:04):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
I mean, And I think the real truth is like
in that moment he's going off, Tom's like we're men line,
But the real truth is he just wants Tom because
Tom's gonna do what he wants and be his pain
sponge and he hates women. But I like the way
he tries to explain it, where he's like, why not
get the guy who but the baby and the baby lady?
Even Tom, I feel like it's just like what the

(30:26):
fuck are you talking about? But I'll take it. I
also just want to say the moment when Tom does not,
I feel like Tom really When Madson says pitch me,
Tom thinks he's pitching to stay in the company after
the merger. He has no idea. So when Matson says
that to him, Tom's reaction is just like.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
So fucking good.

Speaker 2 (30:47):
He's saw it coming, even less than anybody watching the show.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
A little me just I just need to push back lately,
like all Lucas did is refer to this man's wife
to his face in a very coarse, sexually just normal
business situation. And yeah, he sent you know, potentially gallons
of his own frozen bodily fluids to uh, you know,

(31:14):
one of his underlings. But does that make him a misogynist?

Speaker 2 (31:20):
Actually?

Speaker 1 (31:21):
Has he agree? Maybe he's just a very generous with
his with his frozen blood.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Do you. I don't understand how strong you have to
be as a man to be able to give up
so many gallons of blood. So I think they make
a good point. I think, you know, some people may
call him a misogynist, and you know, maybe being an
old school misogynist is not even a bad thing. You know,
if you you hate people who have babies, cool, like,
maybe that's working good for you. He seems rich. I mean,

(31:49):
it must be going quite well. But I think I
think you were right to call me in on that one.

Speaker 1 (31:55):
I look at Lucas and I think, where does all
the blood come from? How does he have?

Speaker 2 (31:59):
So if you have so much blood, I need to
be a secret.

Speaker 1 (32:02):
He must be different than me. He must be a
best of species. He must be better somehow, because that
man just is pumping out blood. But but and I've
just got a meager, regular humans amount of blood. That
is a superman over there. That's what I think what
I look at.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
Greg then conveys, uh, this lightning bolt to Ken, that
shive is out and that Lucas is looking at somebody else. Uh.
And he does so with a promise, trying by trying
to extract a promise from Ken that they could quat

(32:45):
it up? Could he meaning add Greg to the three?
And now it's four and we're quatting it up.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
I just want to say Greg's tried that I have
a secret thing too many times.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
This isn't the second.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
Also, I do want to point out here Tom I
feel is actually going to be very successful in his
new role, because when Greg comes to ask him what happened.
Tom does not tell Greg. Tom has realized that Greg
is a loose link, sink ships kind of guy, like
here is the weakest link. He's gonna try and betray you.

(33:17):
And that's just how it is. So Tom doesn't tell
him and leaves it vague. But Greg, proving his worth
in the corporate backstabbing space, uses a phone translator to
listen in to the Swedish people's conversations and that's how
he finds out. But Tom assumes that he somehow gleaned

(33:37):
it from their conversation and is unhappy. But I want
to just say, Tom, he's learning the lesson. In the
old days, he would have told Greg. They would have celebrated,
they would have done little disgusting brothers dance. They would
have probably like done some weird masochistic fighting, which actually
they get to later, but it is. I was very impressed.
I thought, Wow, Tom, he's coming up as CEO, Like

(33:57):
he understands now, this is like this is serious.

Speaker 1 (34:02):
Well, he Tom, I think, understands that just as he
is Lucas's paint spongeg Greg is haint sponge. Greg is
his pain sponge. Greg is is the man who you
can uh who you can use as a foot rest
in your office. Greg is the man that you can
tell he's the crimes. And though he will eventually rat

(34:25):
you out because of the crimes, that's a known quantity.
There's no surprises with Greg. Greg's a fucking rat. Greg
will rat to whoever he feels like he needs to
rat to. And once you know that, Greg is very
very predictable, I'm quite useful, quite useful, quite quite useful.
It turns out, we go back to Barbados, where uh

(34:50):
things are happening. The siblings are coming together under the
idea that Ken is going to be the guy. And
here how it starts. First, uh Ken basically tells Shiv
after learning the news from Greg, that hey, you're out

(35:10):
like Matson's looking for somebody else. It might be Lawrence Yee,
a vaulter, it might be somebody else in the business. Chops,
I don't know they're looking at somebody else. So why
don't you, you know, call somebody like figure it out,
like you know, just confirm it. If don't take my
word for it, going confirm it and Shiv goes. She
gets a copy of the CEO press release and finds

(35:33):
that her name has been crossed out. There's just exes,
like a t K T K place holding exes, and
she knows it's real. From there, uh, Ken goes swimming
after making the pitch for hold on your seats everybody,
Ken makes the pitch for himself. I know this is
I know, huge twist, huge twist. Shiv and Rome joke

(35:58):
very casually about murder and Ken. I mean, they could
have done it right there in the waves, just trying.

Speaker 2 (36:05):
There's I think there's a momentary truth that they both
consider in that silence, and I wouldn't have been surprised
to see it that go that way. Honestly, they probably
would have been better off. Kendall fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
I think terrible. I think if Ken slipped into the
off that little floaty platform and into the waves and
was struggling and saying, hey, help me, I have a cramp,
and they wouldn't. I think they would. They might move

(36:39):
towards him with a slowness that would allow him to drown.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
I think.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
But they neither of them are brave enough to actually kill.
Which is why I think Ken should be the CEO,
because Ken can do it. We know that Ken can
take a lot.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
You know what, he's really good. He's really good at
delivering a pitch. I can't wait to see him pitch
this to the board.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yes. After that, they go to the kitchen, where Shiv
and Roman decide, Okay, well, Ken, you are the king,
and so we're going to play this childhood game that
clearly they had been playing meal Fit for a King,
where they just take all the stuff from the kitchen
and put it in a blender and blend it up
and make the king drink it.

Speaker 2 (37:20):
Another classic succession moment here where everything you learn about
their childhood is horrific. Bite a game they played in
their childhood Fit for a King where you just make
people drink disgusting things. Everything is about humiliation and brutality
and cruelty. But this is also one of the most
heartwarming scenes in the show. It is, which is just incredible.

Speaker 1 (37:42):
Because it's just wonderful to see them all getting along
as Klee.

Speaker 2 (37:45):
Kyt siblings in that moment, like there's no question that
these are brothers and sisters.

Speaker 1 (37:52):
Roman licks Peter's special cheese.

Speaker 2 (37:54):
Oh no, Daddy, don't lick my cheese. Perfect one of
the best Roman moments in the Hall show.

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Uh Roman then pours the Fit for a King potion
over Ken's head and the three of them leave Barbados
together a unified, powerful voting block. And you can tell
that they are together and they are unified because they
arrive at the airport and they're talking strategy. You do this,

(38:24):
and I'll talk to this person.

Speaker 2 (38:25):
And here they're wearing matching black outfit.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Matching black outfits. And then they get into three different
cars to go to the same location. What what what that?

Speaker 2 (38:34):
What they tail?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
That detail is perfect.

Speaker 2 (38:40):
But also I also it's definitely it's a big time
pound if you never never share a cab. Thank you. Yes.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
If I'm a If I'm in a car with you,
whose car is who riding it? No one knows. If
I'm in my car, right, who's driver is this?

Speaker 2 (39:01):
Whose driver is that? My driver? Is that my driver?

Speaker 1 (39:04):
Right?

Speaker 2 (39:04):
If you're the.

Speaker 1 (39:05):
Driver, pull over, I need to I need to just
take a shit in the middle of the street. Who
is that driver? Listen?

Speaker 2 (39:13):
You are going to listen to you. That's why they're
going to listen to you.

Speaker 1 (39:16):
And that's why you always have to ride in separate cars.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
They have some really great moments like that in the show.
There's a brilliant interview right now with one of the
writers of Succession that's at The Guardian. It's like it's
not an interview, actually's a think piece that she wrote
about how the story of making Succession And one of
the things she talks about is that they had a
consultant for how billionaires behave And one of the things

(39:38):
she pointed out is she said, their shoes only ever
touch carpet. So wherever they go, they go from the
car to the you know, airfield, there's a red carpet.
They go to the house, there's a carpet. Their shoes
never touched the ground. That was like blowing my mind
because when you watch it and you watch moments like this,
you see that it's true.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
There they don't have coats.

Speaker 2 (40:01):
They don't have coats, that's a big one. They don't
wear coats. They never announced that they're about to eat.
That was apparently one of the ones that she got
pulled up on a lot, like, you can't have Marsha
coming in and saying this is you know, it's been
a time or food is stuff. Billy and has don't
do that. We knew that already. But they need a
consultant on succession to tell them that.

Speaker 1 (40:22):
They arrive separately at Connor and Willis their dad's old place.
Connor has created a complicated two tiered sticker system to
allocate pops belongings to whosoever has the highest priority sticker
in the particular sticking circuit round depending on what tier

(40:46):
the sticker is in. Connor and Willa are, we learned,
going to do long distance because Connor, of course, is
going to be the ambassador to Slovenia, and will is
going to stay close to New York, the New York
theater scene, because she's got stuff cooking and she's ready
to keep it cooking. And that's it. She seems very

(41:07):
excited about They're very excited, most.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Of them, Jason. They're both very excited, as Connor says,
for this new chapter in their life.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
And we don't know much about what's going on with
mencon But here is where we learned from shit, is
that there has been setbacks in the court system for Mancin.
So uh is Slovenia really gonna happen?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
We don't know.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
But Willa seems a little troubled by the fact that
her husband might be living with her in her gigantic home.

Speaker 2 (41:33):
I like the way that Shiv says, Oh, wouldn't you
be lucky you'd have him all to yourself. Now, this,
I think is actually one of the most telling Willa moments,
because I think Willa has been playing an unbelievable game
up until this point, and I think here her endgame
is truly revealed, which was put up with him long enough,
get rid of him somehow, and then live in this

(41:55):
giant mansion which I own with never ending funds and wants.
This set goes through, I will also be a billionaire
and I'll get half of everything if we get divorced.
I feel like she has played such a good, long
game of being supportive to Connor despite all his bullshit,
that this is a great pull out the rug moment
when you see her face drop when she thinks about

(42:16):
actually having to be married to him.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
This is so good.

Speaker 2 (42:20):
It's so good, I wrote. I wrote an article ign
that was called in the Succession finale, everyone gets what
they deserve, and I think that is Willa's getting what
she deserves. Moment is like you are even you, you
thought you could play it, but even you are probably
gonna have to end up living with Connor, drinking tambucha
in this like horrible fucking nightmare house, just full of

(42:44):
terrible memories.

Speaker 1 (42:45):
Very sorry about it, Willa, But apparently you're going to
have to actually work to cover up the affairs that
I'm sure you're having right now. Yeah, she immediately.

Speaker 2 (42:55):
Looks at her phone when she says that is she could.

Speaker 1 (43:00):
I don't wait for Connor to leave town, because I'm
sure listen, Connor, I can't even pretend that he's a
nice guy, but clearly he's very devoted to whatever this
relationship is. But you know, Willa has needs as a
much much younger woman with sharing none of the interests

(43:21):
of her much older husband. I'm sure that she is
out in the streets doing what she needs to do.
Look now, looking after some and now Will, I'm sorry
to say, you're gonna have to rent. You're gonna have
to go into your bank accounts and rent some other places, secret,
some ten.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
Thousand dollars a month apartment.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
You're gonna have to do it. I'm sorry you're not
gonna be able to bring him here because what if
you get caught. That's it. It's terrible. I'm sorry to
break it. To you. Prompt, I don't even I forget
what number we're on. But next prompt, can you make
sense of the stickering system? How does it work? Do
you get yet? Tell me how it works?

Speaker 2 (44:02):
So I actually rewatch this multiple times because this is
this is a really wild Conner moment, one more proof
that this man has too much time on his hands.
We know he does nothing, but the stickering sequence also
confirms one of our biggest theories here at Market Moves,
which is Connor is the only one of Logan's kids
who ever really got to be his kid. And we

(44:22):
get to see that a little bit further down the line.
But I think the reason he takes it so seriously
is that he sees himself as the rightful air. He
is the eldest son, no matter what someone else may
say later, and he has already actually taken what he wants.
We learn he was like, yeah, there was the first round.
It was just me. I stuck quite want. So here's

(44:42):
how it works. Everybody goes around and they put colored
stickers on things. They put one on it. If they
would like it a little bit, they put two on it.
If they would like it more, they put three on it.
If they would like it a lot. And essentially the
idea is this is an honesty policy. So if you
don't really want something, you just put one sticker on it.
And the idea is at the end you count up

(45:04):
the items that have the most stickers and whichever color
gets to keep it. But of course, as it is
immediately showcased, Roman just sees what other people have put
on his and just immediately puts more stickers. So like
it was a terrible idea made through Connor's dream that
maybe these people could be honest. And then the best

(45:25):
part is there's actually a secondary sex mourners.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
How does the second tier mourner?

Speaker 2 (45:32):
So I think the idea is if I was Kerry,
for example, who has been put with the second tier
mourners in just continuing the constant shade.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
And to be honest, is fortunate to be there in
the second tiering and she's much lower.

Speaker 2 (45:46):
She's probably only there because Lady Caroline let her sit
in the front. That like really up to her legal standing.
So if I was her, what I would do is
you have to go in in a brutal stickering fashion.
Anything that didn't have three stickers, I just put three
sticks is on and you're just keeping it. So that's
what I think. Once you're in the second tier, you
have to be more strategic. But the real truth is

(46:07):
none of them want any of it, Like they don't care.
And Connor's already taken what he wants and they literally
have a conversation about are they even gonna go to
the Great Reallocation as they call it, and they don't
really want to go, but they're kind of like, shit,
I guess we better go so it looks like we care.
So really, I think the secondary tier of mourners could

(46:28):
end up with some pricey gems, because really, these kids
don't give a fuck.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
They don't give a fuck. Tom arrives at the Great
Stickering and he and Shiv chat about the fact that
she's gonna be Mattson's American CEO, and Shiv woof tells him,
you know, and this is what Tom was kind of
poking around for, you know, sadly, No, no, no, that's
all fucked. I don't know what happened. He's picking someone else,

(46:56):
maybe Lawrence maybe, uh, And then she drops a very
very important piece of information for Tom that well, how
do I know, Greg told me, Yeah, what uh, And
something about the way Tom reacts to all of this
gets her suspicions.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, can I say what? That's something is Tom says,
maybe you should just vote it through anyway.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Yeah, Tom is the least slick play all time, like
just just do it, just vote it through.

Speaker 2 (47:26):
And then she's like what And he's like, I guess
I should tell you it's gonna be me.

Speaker 4 (47:31):
I'm missy yeah, And she's of course like what you're no, no, no,
no way, and he tells, oh, no, no, no, that's yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
It's yeah, that's gonna be me. And right there you
kind of miss it because of the meltdown ship has.
But that is Tom basically soft pitching his wife to
switch side. She had talked to him earlier about hey,
do you want to keep the marriage together, and now
Tom is without saying it, is saying you voted through

(48:04):
and then you know, you and me, uh, and it's
happening right there. Shiv then storms off to tell Kenan
Roman the news that holy shit, it's Tom. Tom pulls
Greg aside and yells at it's so funny into a bathroom,
screams at him basically for the fact that he rated

(48:24):
out to shive when really it was him. He flat out.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
You fly you did it. He's like, you fucking snatched
it away from me. And now they have time to
make a fucking you know, a plan, and it's like, bro,
you just did it. You you actually did it?

Speaker 5 (48:41):
Was you?

Speaker 2 (48:42):
You?

Speaker 1 (48:44):
But this is pretty like always keep your underlings guessing
and always make him feel like it's their fault. This
is uh, you know, textbook one on one leadership from Tom. Uh.
They Tom and Greg get into it a little bit
with Tom slapping Greg and then Greg showing that he's
got a little bit of spiny slap Tom back. I
think that's when he actually.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Secures his place in Tom's court because Tom Tom likes
the fight. Him and Greg have always had this masochistic
kind of flirtation. This really toxic will they won't. They
think you can't.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
You can't make a Tomletz without breaking some Greg exactly.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
I mean, they are one of probably there's probably one
of the most successful and popular toxic chips on the internet.
And so I think that Greg slapping him back, that's
that's a watershed moment for their relationship.

Speaker 1 (49:34):
To Masen, Mason on the other side knows Madsen then
gets uh, you know, on the back of his various
minions and it's like, get on your phones. Let's go.

Speaker 2 (49:46):
What does he want to do? Like, He's just like,
I want to see phones, phones, get on your phones.
Do something be on a phone. And I'm just like, well,
they meant to do it the phones. I don't know,
but I love it.

Speaker 1 (49:56):
I think he's like, I want to see you calling
the board members. Yeah, sure, make sure they are fucking
on side. The sibs arrived at the board meeting again
in three separate cars. Power move Ken, driven by Colin
now officially his guy. Colin probably the only person in

(50:16):
the world who knows for sure that can kill the
guy m who like could testifying in court to the
fact that Ken kill the guy.

Speaker 2 (50:26):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
They march in, feeling confidently Shiven Ken are projecting confidence.
Roman is shaky goes in his office immediately to hide
Carolina then pitches Shiv as, I'm sure she's pitched everyone on.
Let's get rid of Hugo. I've got this, we don't
need Hugo. And honestly a Hugo opened them up to

(50:47):
insider trading very very recently, and I agree, like yeah,
I keep I keep Carolina.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Keep Carolina, and you know else as well. I like
Carolina is like very fucking smart because she pitches it
to Shive in a way that absolutely plays into shifts
like ego, where she's like, look, yeah, She's like, if
you win, She's like, we're gonna change the way the
system runs here. We're gonna make a change for the good,
you know, get rid of all the backstabbing, the lies.
I think that means getting rid of Hugo. And I

(51:14):
love that because it's like it plays into Shiv's liberal
delusions that she's somehow gonna make things better bye by
whatever naive weird shit that she ends up doing.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Ken sits in Dad's chair, feet on desk to receive
Stewie the you know, Shive and Roman look at this
with something like revulsion, but they get it.

Speaker 2 (51:37):
They're like, it's just a chat, but also yeah, uh.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
And then Ken says to Stuwie, listen, we have it. Okay,
we have it, Like, so come on board with us,
and maybe we make you chairman of the board, you know,
and it just gets you super super fucking paid. Uh,
and you know, we'll run stuff. But you get to
sit there and just collect Chairman of the board checks,
what do you say about that? Roman then freaks out

(52:01):
because Jerry is there, and he spirals, He completely spirals.
He looks at himself in the mirror. The the kind
of top of the drink carriage is a mirror, and
he looks at it and he sees that his face,
even though he had received a beating not that long ago,
he looks too good. He looks too normal. And he's like, well,

(52:23):
why they'll look at me and think Roman looks pretty good?
Why isn't it him? Like? Why is it Ken? Like
what's going on? And he's starting to spiral down and
he's like, and this is kind of Roman at his essence.
He can't they all, all the siblings can't win. They
can't do the final thing that it takes to win.

(52:44):
But Roman's version of that is he actually does win,
and he self destructs while he's winning. Look at him
with menkn right, that was it, the fucking golden ring
he had. He ruined it all the times that he
could have been seeing. Later, Dad approached him at sea,
sent him to executive training camp. He had that the
partnership with Jerry that seemed like a good thing, and

(53:06):
then he he blows it all the time, and here
he is again blowing it because but not blowing it enough.
He's like, I feel uncomfortable because I don't look like
a complete piece of shit. And so in what is
I think the scariest scene in the series, and that

(53:27):
speaks to just what a fucked up family this is,
Ken hugs Roman hard to his shoulder and using his
shoulder like tears open his stitches.

Speaker 2 (53:38):
And he keeps pushing his head against him, even when
Roman's kind of crying out it's it's really horrific.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
And week Colan just takes it.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Yeah, Roman's kind of crying, calling him a motherfucker, but
he doesn't fight back. And I think that we really
get a glimpse into Ken fully embracing that abusive side
of his dad. In the Lost episode why he told
Roman like you fucked it. When he tells him like
you fucked it, like he basically plays into Roman's insecurities,
but here that turns physical and this isn't even the

(54:09):
last time he does something physically abusive to Roman in
this episode, like he is ready to continue that, but
he actually sees Roman even more as a punching bag
than I think Logan ever did.

Speaker 6 (54:20):
X Ray Vision will be back, and we're back. We
go to the vote.

Speaker 1 (54:33):
Ken is feeling himself. He's like, let's just vote now,
why are we even talking about anything else? Can we
talk about this? Right? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (54:39):
This man he sells himself. He's like, you saw me living,
plus you saw me at the funeral. He's like to
his siblings, he's like, I can pitch an idea, I
can pitch a vision.

Speaker 1 (54:48):
I'm gonna come into this board.

Speaker 2 (54:50):
I'm gonna pitch them a vision so good that's gonna
change everybody's mind. Instead, Ken walks in and he's like,
you know mine aren't gonna be changed. You know me,
we know how the votes are gonna land.

Speaker 1 (54:59):
Let's just vote.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
I was like, oh, Ohsa, your arrogance was too high
on that one. This is Ken's ultimate fall. Now that
I thought Ken was gonna go in and flop the pitch,
but I never imagined that Ken would go in and
not pitch.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Yeah. I think that first of all, one thing this
show does really really well. All good shows do this
really well. But Succession is kind of a masterclass at
how you do this is you you know there's only
Really it's hard to fool people who watch a lot
of television, and so the thing you can do is

(55:36):
you give them the thing before they think it's gonna happen.
Like with Tom, they basically outed that Tom was gonna
be the guy in the middle, like early in the episode,
just let you know it's gonna be Tom.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
But then they're like, how do you get that?

Speaker 1 (55:51):
How do you get there? And I think this part
of it Ken, how is Ken gonna self destruct? How
is he gonna lose it? How is SHITV gonna blow it?
How is Rome gonna blow it? All of this is
so perfect. So we go to the vote and it
breaks down like this, Frank of course, Yes, Sonya, Yes,
don't know who she is, Diane Lou, don't know who
she is, but yes, Ken, you know where I stand. No,

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Sandy and Sandy Yes and yes.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
Which is kind of shocking because I think Ken did
think he might have had them. They'd kind of talked
about the Sandy's.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Dewey we don't know him. But no, here's the shocking
one to me. Youwen who starts with the quotation from
the hippocratic oah, first do no harm? Then he says no,
he wants Ken to maintain control of the company. I
guess he thinks Lucas is worst. What is his resch
now here?

Speaker 2 (56:43):
Absolutely baffling. I suppose maybe this is a bit of
an indictment on Ewan because he still can't break out
of that cycle. Or the other version of it is
he is rejecting the billions that would come from this offer,
and he's trying to make a statement in that way,
but surely giving it to Kendall, a very non serious person,

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will not do no harm. I do not believe that.
I think this is a bit of an indictment on
Youan's hypocrisy.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
Well, Ewan is, you know, of course, quite happy to
criticize his brother and the poison that he put into
the world through his many, many media outfits. But of
course he's quite happy to live in the literal lap
of luxury and security off of the money provided by

(57:32):
those concerns of his brothers that he considers to have
poisoned the nation, poisoned the lives of various people. So
Ewan is extremely compromised, and here in this moment, I
just I was just surprised that he would be so
like obviously compromised that he would just do it flat

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out be like.

Speaker 2 (57:55):
Family it.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Let's keep it in the family.

Speaker 2 (57:57):
Okay, let's get it. He was like really moved by speech.
She was like that's for like I was feeling it.

Speaker 1 (58:04):
Uh, Stuie No, and I love it. I love it.
He goes no, Team Ken, baby fucking love that. Stuwie
gets burned by Ken one more fucking time here. It
is what like how many times he believed time?

Speaker 2 (58:21):
And I'm kind of like, do it for me, man,
do it because my friends like this is the one
man like, we're gonna do it. The thing I really
love about this scene, you know what, continue with the
vote breakdown.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
Before okay, Roman, he waivers.

Speaker 2 (58:36):
I thought he was gonna be the one to flip it.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
He waivers, but then it's a no. So we have
six to six yes nos, and we go to shivet
the tie break the final vote, and Shiv is like,
I just needed I need a second. What, Yeah, I
need a second. I need to go to this other
room and just like pace around. Kenn Is like what
the fuck? He and Roman follow Shive to the other
room where we're a fucking shit show circus. Oh, carnival

(59:01):
of idiocy breaks out with everyone seeing in this.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Gold everyone can hear it. I just want to say
my favorite fucking thing about this. Yeah, and it plays
into everything that Succession has done so well. I absolutely
love that. It is just a fucking Russian roulette of
where she would have sat if she wasn't the last vote.
I don't believe she would have gone against it. I

(59:27):
think if she'd have sat anywhere else in that room
next to Ken, maybe what next to you? And I
think she would have voted no because she didn't have
this huge power. But on the she ends up sitting
in the place which suddenly she has this life changing,
billion dollar power that she has never had, and of
course she uses it to fuck over her brothers, but

(59:49):
not just that. I think that weight is just so huge,
and Sarah Snook absolutely sells that, Like when she walks
out of the room, she's not just doing it to
be petty, as much as I would love that to
be the answer. She feels the fucking way of this
choice that she has been given. But it's so random.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, I didn't even think about that. It really is
all about where she sat.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
How crazy is that?

Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
It's so crazy. So they get into it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:16):
And Kendall just fucking loses that.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
You know, Shiv shiit. Shiv is like, is just kind
of groping around for any rationale that makes sense, and
she grabs one that actually does make sense, which is Ken,
you can't be you. You kill the guy. Remember that,
Remember when you kill the guy. I remember what in
Italy when you admitted to us that you killed the guy.
And Kenn's like, ah, no, no, no, no I didn't. I
was I just false memory that that was like I

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made it up. I made it up. I just needed
to say something in that moment, and we were, you know,
in this weird place and I was just talking that
was like bullshit. I'm good, I'm clean, I never killed
the guy. Don't fucking worry about it. Can we just
go back in there and vote I'm good? And then
Roman says, well, he's and then he screams I am
the eldest boy, which the bloodline isn't true.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Exists. I know. That moment is so crazy because he's
just standing in this office building and he's screaming, I
am the eldest son, I am the eldest son.

Speaker 1 (01:01:19):
What a wild thing to scream.

Speaker 2 (01:01:24):
If they weren't already aware that you'd lost it, that's
when they know. They know that you are not a
serious person, just as your father said. And Kendall's screaming
bloody murder about I'm the eldest son. I deserve this.
Even though when they were in Barbados, they all revealed
that Logan had told them at different times in their

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life they would be them. Of course, so they'd all
been played into this same cycle.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
But Ken really, Ken really feels it and believes it
that that is the case. So Robin points out, well, listen,
if you're gonna say that you're the bloodline just and
I'm just repeating Dad's words here, you know it's not
me same. This is what Dad said. And Dad would
say that your kids aren't even really Roys, they were

(01:02:14):
not truly as grand kids. Sophie is adopted, and Iverson
is like the son of some contractor filing cabinet maker
or whoever that worked on your house, right, but also
half Robinson. I will also.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
Say, Roman sprinkles in some racism here to really get
Ken go in. But again Ken reacts in the most
horrifically another really scary moment where he just grabs Roman's
face and pushes his thumbs into the scars, and it
is like so horrific.

Speaker 1 (01:02:47):
And everybody is watching this there. Can you imagine you're
sitting there trying to watching it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
The mail room guy is watching it, even watching everyone
is watching, not even just like Jerry and the people
who are in that room, Like everyone is watching this,
and it is the most unseerious shit you've ever seen.
Even if they'd gotten Shived to agree to the vote,
this whole thing is proof that those three shouldn't be
able to vote, and their votes would easily be able

(01:03:13):
to be like null and void in some kind of
boardroom takeover.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
Absolutely. Shiv was like, get off of him, and then
Roman is like, don't touch Shiv because she's pregnant. What
the fuck? And then Shiv managed just to slip out.
She gets back in the.

Speaker 2 (01:03:27):
Room and those two just fight.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
And those two just fight for another couple of seconds,
and it just fucking happens. By the time Ken gets
in there, it's fucking over. It's over.

Speaker 2 (01:03:40):
He stands up and he's like after him and Roman
are fighting, and he's like, we got it, we got it.
Let's go to Frank, there's still a route here, there's
still a part.

Speaker 1 (01:03:48):
We could still do it, we can still do it.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
And Roman's like, no, we're nothing, man like, we're's fucking done.
We're bullshit. And then Ken goes in and he's like,
so where are we Let's and his hairs all fucked
up and everyone just seen him have the fight and
he's like, he's like, where are we. Let's let's in
the vote. Let's just the vote. He looks like his
hair's like gelled up, like he's in a boy band.
He's like, we'll just hold the vote out, just hold
the vote out for a little while, like and Frank, nah,

(01:04:12):
it's done.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Frank's Trent tells him it's over. It's done. Sorry. Thomas CEO.
Tom walks in victorious. Uh Greg saunters up, and we
get a taste of what the early regime, early days
of the Tom regime will.

Speaker 2 (01:04:28):
Be at Goajos.

Speaker 1 (01:04:30):
At Gojo Go, he will first of all strap Carl
and Frank into their golden parachutes, and honestly, like Carl
made some you know, Frank was like, what do you
think we're out? This is great, like awesome, and Carl
was like, I don't know. Maybe run it back. You
don't want to run back, go to your fucking Greek
island and.

Speaker 2 (01:04:46):
Get the truth is. This is another great example of
getting what that is up. They're gonna get their golden parachutes.
That's secure. The legacy is no longer secure, as Carl
has now realized, because he said some mad chad mad
shit to Tom ally and Season and was like, you
are nothing, nobody cares, nobody trusts you. You will amount
to zero. So I love the line. Frank's like, no way,

(01:05:07):
like not Tom and Carl's like, yeah, we should have
slit his throat in the cradle, and Frank's like yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:11):
Goes without saying that we should have done that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
But they're fine. They got millions of dollars, billions of
dollars and maybe billions I think billions probably from this deal.
So they're gone strapped into the golden parachutes, shut out
of their line. But they'll do okay, they'll land softly.

Speaker 1 (01:05:25):
Yeah, they'll be fine. I don't don't worry too much
about Frank and Carl. Jerry will stay on because, in
Tom's view, she knows, she knows how this nightmare circus works, and.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
She's one of the only people who actually knows how
to do her job.

Speaker 1 (01:05:39):
She knows how to fucking do her job. HUGO, sorry
about it, my guy, You're out. Caroline is gonna Caroline
day on. And Greg is like, what about me? What
about what about myself? Where do I land in all
of this? And Tom's like, well, you're fucked, man. You

(01:05:59):
know you make two hundred thousand as an assistant. That's
gonna come way down. It's gonna come way down. You're
gonna fucking get killed on salary. You're gonna get absolutely murdered.
But and then he puts a sticker, one of his
black stickers, on Greg's forehead. I got a place for you, buddy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:16):
Yeah, He's like, I'm gonna save you because he owns
Greg now and yes, Miles, Greg loves it. Greg wants
to be involved.

Speaker 1 (01:06:22):
He's in. And then we get these wonderful little mini scenes,
wordless of the three siblings in the wake of all this. Connor,
we don't care. He's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:06:37):
He's what he's doing.

Speaker 1 (01:06:41):
There is Roman at a bar, and you get the
sense that he will be fucking fine, like mentally, of course,
Like it's it's a tragedy that they've lost control of
their father's empire. It is so heartbreaking and all they
have to to assuage their feelings is just billions and

(01:07:04):
billions of dollars that they will get for the sale.
But is that really enough? No, but Roman will be
okay y Psychologically, I seem cho logic.

Speaker 2 (01:07:12):
He has reached his rock bottom, and I think it's
very sad to see him alone in this moment if
you ignore the fact he's terrible person.

Speaker 1 (01:07:18):
But like the.

Speaker 2 (01:07:21):
Route that he has gone on this season has been
incredibly bleak. But I think that you're right, Roman's alone. Really,
Roman was kind of always alone, so women probably be fine.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Roman is the same. Can we see walking through Battery
Park looking fucking shell shocked again? It's it's very you know,
a couple of dozens of billions of dollars in cash
and stock. It's cold comfort when what you wanted was
the company.

Speaker 2 (01:07:51):
Yeah, he needed this, This is all he could do.
What's this? He doesn't know, but he's entitled to do it.
He wanted to do it, and now he can't do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Now he can't do it, and now all he has
is like, you know, what's the sale? Price like ninety
eighty something, and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:08:06):
Going like ten billion dollars nothing, that means nothing. What's
he gonna do anything?

Speaker 1 (01:08:10):
What can you do with that?

Speaker 2 (01:08:11):
You can't do nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:08:12):
So he's so he's shell shocking. He's walking around and
Colin is following him from ten steps behind, as he
will do for the rest of his life. And we
notice that, by the way, have to have to have
to say when you know Ken was attempting to scoop
out Roman's eyeballs in the conference room and then was
turning into a scuffle. Where was Colin? Colin was out there, Colin,

(01:08:36):
Colin can't wait to not take a bullet for Ken.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Yeah, Colin, I know. I was watching it. I was like,
is Colin actually just gonna like push Kendall into the war?
I was like, I don't think he's. Like, this is
not a man who's there through loyalty. This is a
man who's there through blackmail and threats. Like, I don't
know how long Kendall's gonna survive.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
They apparently did a scene where Ken goes over to
to go over the railing and Colin pulls it back,
but then went with the scene we see and then
we see Tom riding off in some beautiful European luxury
automobile with Shiv the power Couple ascendant. He lays his

(01:09:17):
hand on the middle armrest with his palm upwards, and
then she places her palm on his. Her hand. You
couldn't say they were intertwined, but it's more like her
hand laying openly on his. And that is the end
of the series. An incredible series. I must ask now
our final prompts, what do you think happens with everyone?

(01:09:39):
We kind of talked about Roman, but where does everyone?
Where does Shiv end up? Where does Ken end up?
Where does Connor? I guess we'll do Connor. Where does
Connor and Will?

Speaker 2 (01:09:49):
I think Connor from Will end up living in that house,
being incredibly unhappy. I think that's the true ending of
everything that is in all. I was singing about this
a lot when I was writing about the show. They
all end the show exactly where they began it, just
exceptionally wealthy and incredibly unhappy, and I think that continues.

(01:10:10):
I think Connor and Willa have the best chance of
making it because they have some weird shit going on there,
Like maybe they'll just end up being in like an
open relationship and having all their lovers live in the
giant house like I see a version where they could
be okay. I think Shive and Tom are immensely successful
and deeply deeply depressed. I also my friend James, who

(01:10:32):
I watched Succession. We always watch it and talk about
it afterwards. He made a great point when I was
talking about everyone having their just desserts. In this episode,
Shit essentially becomes Lady Caroline. She is a trophy wife
of a figurehead of wealthy woman who has zero power
in the business space that she's in, but will likely

(01:10:55):
spend a lot of time influencing Tom's choices. And she's
about to have a kid who she's already admitted she
will not raise, will be raised by nannies. And I
think in that way she gets another incredibly depressing kind
of situation where I think the hardest one to call.
Where do you see Kendall? Where does he go from her?
Does he come back with some terrible tech start up?

(01:11:18):
Does he try and make it come back?

Speaker 1 (01:11:20):
I think, Ken listen, Shive magnanimously offered to for no fee,
just give her brothers the IP for the hundred.

Speaker 2 (01:11:32):
You know, she was like, I'll do that for free,
because a.

Speaker 1 (01:11:35):
Love you can just have that you want, you want
to have that be your little startup. I think Ken
goes back to something like that. I think, whether it's
the hundred or something else, you know, Logan once famously
said to his kids, make your own damn pile. You know,
why are you fighting over my shit? Go make your
own money. And I think that Ken will eventually. I

(01:11:56):
think this is obviously going to be the defining thing
of his life, losing his dad's company. But I think
that he will attempt various schemes to make his own pile,
none of them being quite successful enough. But not to worry,
because he's got so much money that he can just keep.

Speaker 2 (01:12:15):
He could never spend it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:16):
He can never spend it all. He'll be fine, rom
and we said, will be fine.

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
I want to put a prompt you. I think that
this is a show where everybody, for the most part,
has gotten what they deserve in like a bad way,
because these are bad people. I think, if there is
a true winner at succession in a non existential Tom style,
you won, but you're trapped in a hell of your
own making. I think it's Jerry. Because Jerry was there,

(01:12:43):
I think you're to sign the Golden Parachute deal, which
I'm sure she will still get because she was there
to legally sign it. She's going to get her huge
payoff for putting up with the Roys bullshit. And then
if she wants to, if she is so inclined, she
has a choice to be a part of this other Gojo,

(01:13:04):
go and stay in this space that she's kind of
been now. Jerry's not a great person because Jerry enabled
the Roys for a long time, but within the logic
and rules of the show, she is one of the
few people who ever tried to hold them accountable even
a little bit and kind of call them on that bullshit.

Speaker 1 (01:13:20):
I agree with you there, and I think honestly Frank
and Carl too.

Speaker 2 (01:13:24):
They got out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:25):
They go Carl, congratulations. Your Greek Island is on the docket.
Here it comes. I want to see that anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:13:33):
The Greek Island Summer Holiday spin off.

Speaker 1 (01:13:36):
I think, what is so wonderfully tragic and really what
makes this show so good and so high quality and
so timeless feeling in the way that it, you know,
evokes our emotions and allows us to ride along with
these characters who fucking suck. It's that it's pure tragedy

(01:14:00):
in the most definitional sense of classic tragedy.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
The character.

Speaker 1 (01:14:08):
These characters have a fatal flaw, each of them right,
and there really is no there's two moves that succession has,
which is the Roys try to get their dad's company
and they fail. That's it. That's the cycle. And the

(01:14:29):
show shows you that again and again and again and
heightens the way that they lose it exponentially each time,
so that it so that despite the fact that there
really is this very methodical and one note kind of predictable, predictable,
they're gonna lose it. You know they're gonna lose it.

(01:14:52):
But the question is how and how devastating will it
be and how hard will they try to win it
only to lose it this time and each time they
lose it because of the fatal flaw. I think about
like Shiv. Shiv is the woman, you know, the feminist
who told a woman, a survivor of sexual assault at

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the hands of the people who worked for her father's company,
to just take the fucking money, just take the money.
And she will constantly sell out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:22):
And when she was bonding with Matson. As soon as
he told her about Ebba, she immediately went into pr mode.
How can we silence her, I'll deal with this, I
can help you deal with this, don't worry about it.
She constantly sell out her own morals that don't exist, that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
She pretends they exist because she thinks it helps her
in the realm of like public consumption, but it doesn't.
And if she has a fatal flaw, it's that she's
very smart but thinks she's smarter than she is. Ken.
Ken's fatal flaw is that he fucking can't close. He
just can't get there and closed in Tileman and arrogance.

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In fact, that is something Nao Sha.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
He has that exact same problem that Shiv has in Barbados,
but it has plagued him throughout his whole life. He
expects the wind before has happened. He can't close. He
never makes the deal. He just expects the deal to
come to him.

Speaker 1 (01:16:16):
And then Roman, who I think you could argue, is
maybe the most talented in terms of a social you know,
in terms of the part of the job that is,
in Lucas's words, vibe checks is just like hanging out
and talking shit with other powerful people. I mean, you'd
say Roman was weirdly the most the most able to
do that. You think about the way he you know,
initially before his downfall, the way he related to Makan

(01:16:39):
was both of them roasting each other. He understood on
an instinctive level that powerful people want to feel like
there is something that awakens their cruelty when you just
lay down. You need to spar with them just enough
that they feel like you're on their level. And Roman
weirdly understood that. But his fatal flaw is that he

(01:16:59):
just couldn't in victory. He needed to destroy himself. Yeah,
when he does, be sure he got the big energy
spot at the funeral, he blew it. He blows it constantly.
And the fact that these characters just did those fatal
flaw like self destructions again and again and again, and

(01:17:22):
yet every time you're just like, holy shit, I can't
believe it happened again. Yeah, that is really that is
hard to.

Speaker 2 (01:17:28):
Do and is what makes this show so unbelievable writing.
It's just such a powerful show. And I love how
we had all kinds of theories and predictions and were
wondering about the way that they would end this show
and how out there they would go with it. But
the truth is the reason this hit so hard and
feels like the perfect finale is it follows those established
rules like you mentioned about the character archetypes, but also

(01:17:51):
it is that same mix of just absolutely bleak but
incredibly realistic, like the fact that these characters end the
show wildly richer than they were before, at least in
like liquidity and like real money that they can have,
but they still have a tragic ending that's so realistic.

(01:18:12):
Kendall will never pay for the fact that he killed someone,
have accountability, so in the world of the show, they
give him the most realistic punishment, which is having this
one thing that he always wanted ripped away from him.
And that is really interesting because I think in this
trend of eat the rich kind of programming and filmmaking,

(01:18:32):
which I do love, you know, the menu triangle of sadness,
ready or not, those offer very viscerally cathartic ideas around
how people can get their revenge. They get killed, they
get mutilated, they get eaten, they get burned, they get
blown up, and it's like, but succession doesn't do that.
Succession works within the world and says, look, here are

(01:18:54):
these people that control everything in your life. They fucking suck.
They're ridiculous, And what we can do is show you
the worst thing that can realistically happen to them, which
is being trapped in a loveless marriage but still being
incredibly rich, being alone and isolated in Roman's case, but
still being incredibly rich. Kendall not having the thing he
always felt like he was entitled to, the throne and

(01:19:16):
crown that he's wanted since he was seven when he
was told it was his. He can't have that, but
he's still incredibly rich. And I think that's why the
finale hit so hard, because those rules and that cycle
is so key to what Succession does well, and they
totally understand that and really pulled it together. I saw people,
I think it was Vanity Fair did an article where

(01:19:38):
they were like, the season four of Succession was a
mess until the finale. I don't agree. I thought this
season was brilliant. But I love that even for people
who weren't understanding or vibing with or following this season
in a way that felt impactful, that finale was so
strong that it pulled all of those threads together and
made it work like that to me shows that this

(01:19:59):
is not just recentcy biased or people being like, oh
the finale's good. Even people who didn't like the fourth
season are like, oh, this makes it work. That's how
powerful it was. They can turn around somebody's view of
the whole season. I personally think Succession has always been
a show where every season is better, and I think
that the fourth season follows that. But yeah, I mean,

(01:20:20):
what a finale? Just unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (01:20:22):
So let me ask you this, did shev actually win
because Shiv uh, let's okay? So if she would have
gotten the job that she was gunning for CEO American
hand Pick CEO of Lucas Mattson's GOK, she would have
been powerless, or she would have needed to be truly powerless,

(01:20:44):
have no influence on Mattson's thinking, just be the cutout person,
and then she'd have Tom in her pocket and not
the other way around. But of course, like that was
never gonna happen. So is this actually the best outcome
for Shiv where she looked at it and said, here's
what keeps me in the mix. I stay by Tom's side,

(01:21:04):
I'm in his pocket. We've got the next in line
of the lineage of the Roys with us, and we're
just doing the thing that we've already been doing, but
now we're trapped in it even more devastatingly than before.
And unlike Ken, unlike Roman, unlike Connor who cares about Connor,

(01:21:25):
I still am in the mix. I have Tom's ear,
and sure Tom will never pitch Lucas on what I
think he should do, but I'm in the mix somehow. Still.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
Oh, I absolutely believe that one of my favorite I
think there's two things that drove Shive in that moment.
We get the great moment when she's in the room
and theft fighting with the kids and she says to Kendall,
she says, I fucking love you, but I cannot stomach you.
And I saw a great tweet that really sums up
I think the fifty percent of it. Somebody was like,

(01:21:57):
you know, I such a good tweet. I need to
find it to credit person. We'll try and put it
in the show notes. But they said, you know, people
are saying Shiv, you know, voted against Kendall to save
him from an abusive cycle. And they were like, but
have you perhaps considered that she's just a hater. I
do think that that is fifty percent of I think
fifth pettiness was fifty percent she didn't want Kendall to
have it. But I believe the other fifty percent was,

(01:22:20):
as you pointed out, self preservation. I think Shiv weighed
up everything, all the outcomes, like doctor Strange in Infinity War,
and she worked out that that is the best outcome
for her. No question, she doesn't have to work under
Lucas Mattson. He has no influence on her life. She
does not have to be the fore guy for any
of his schemes, the bad Indian numbers. She can essentially

(01:22:43):
live as off the grid as a billionaire can raising
her baby. But I also believe that Tom is easily manipulated,
and if she really did want him to put in
things into action, she could whisper in his ear, she
could pass all tonguehim. She could, you know, be the
person who is really running the show if she wants

(01:23:04):
to put that much energy. And so I do think
on a power play level and who got the best
outcome in the Cynical roy overview, Shiv made the power
play move and made the right choice for her and
her terrible ways.

Speaker 1 (01:23:17):
I agree, incredible series, what are close to it exactly
rewatchable show, sad to see it go, But I think
listening to Jesse on the kind of after show a
little video FEATURETTE, I do agree with them that it
logan dying, the funeral, the Gojo sale. It feels like

(01:23:41):
a natural ending place, even though it does you understand
that a writing team of this caliber could have come
up with something excellent, but it does feel like a
natural place to end.

Speaker 2 (01:23:54):
We always talk about it. One of the hardest things,
especially if you're comic book fan, if you love TV,
is to end something on your own terms. The show
doesn't get canceled, the comic book doesn't get given to
someone else. So the fact that the team got to
end it on their own terms in a way that
feels really organic and natural and definitive, that's just a gift.

Speaker 1 (01:24:17):
Well, it's been wonderful helping you build your bank roll
here at Market Mouza.

Speaker 2 (01:24:22):
You should be much richer now.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
You should be so so wealthy and powerful now that
you can have your own Tom. And if you're a Tom,
you can have your own Greg. And if you're a Greg,
you can hopefully work your way up by being a
pain sponge for somebody else or a pain pig for
somebody else. We wish that for you, a future of
sucking up to the rich, sucking the biggest dick in

(01:24:47):
the room, being the pain sponge, and riding that to
the success that you deserve. Always remember, if there's someone
rich and powerful out there, just suck their dick. We
want to leave you with that. We want to leave
with that.

Speaker 2 (01:25:06):
An important life rule for everyone from Market Market Moves,
a show that has now been canceled by the network.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Yeah, up the next turnout.

Speaker 2 (01:25:24):
In today's nerd out, will you tell us what you
love and why or a theory that you're excited to share.
Joe pictures us on Netflix's Vultron Legendary Defender.

Speaker 5 (01:25:34):
Hi x ray, team and listeners, I want to share
the amazing content that is Netflix's Vultron Legendary Defender. This
series is a reboot of the original and on its
own fantastic animated series from the nineteen eighties, and in
so many ways honors the original content. The newest Vultron
series leverages a variety of animation styles, from the expected

(01:25:55):
traditional action animation to occasionally incorporating Japanese anime st including
to some fantastic Naruto style runs. The storyline adds a
layer of heart and emotion that most of us wouldn't
have expected or appreciated in the original series, tackling topics
like death and loss, grief, found family discrimination, and the

(01:26:16):
ultimate goal of protecting those you love. There's also various
levels of LGBTQ representation throughout, though potentially not as much
as some fans may would have liked hashtag cliants. In
the end, Voltron Legendary Defender gave us both a trip
down memory lane for US millennials and a great story
that continued develop across eight seasons. I tend to be

(01:26:39):
a bit of a heartless person, but spoiler alert, in
the last episode, I was full on weeping, knowing that
this was the last episode I'd see this family. I
encourage any fans of the original eighty series and anyone
looking for just a fun space rom Colm dramedy to
check out Vultron Legendary Defender on Netflix.

Speaker 2 (01:27:00):
Thank you, Joe. If you have theories or passions you
want to share, hit us up at x ray at
crooked dot com. Instructions in the show notes.

Speaker 1 (01:27:08):
That's it for us, Rosie and he plugs plugs.

Speaker 2 (01:27:11):
Wait here, I'm here. I'm here on xtra Vision with you,
doing this cool show twice a week. I'm on letterbox,
Rosie marks. You can also find my writing at places
like ign, Polygon, Den of Geek. I'll have another cool
Den of Geek story coming up soon and we oh yeah,
and I will plug my friend Nicka Shukla, really brilliant writer.

(01:27:34):
He is currently writing Spider Man India. That book's going
to be coming out soon in the wake of Spider Verse,
so keep an eye out for that, and we'll also
have him on the show soon.

Speaker 1 (01:27:44):
Love to hear it. Catch the next episode of X
ray Vision on Friday, June second, where we will discuss
all things across the Spider Verse and along with an
interview with director Kemp Powers. Cannot wait to see across
the Spider Verse.

Speaker 2 (01:28:01):
I'm ready to see it. Subscribe on YouTube, where you
can watch four episodes of the show and check out
our discord to meet and hang with tons of amazing
fans and listeners plus me and Jason.

Speaker 1 (01:28:12):
We're they're five star ratings, five star reviews. You know,
we gotta have him, you gotta give it to us.
Here is one from Still Dixie Landings to me knowledgeable,
great team and lots of fun. Thank you, Still Dixie Landings.
Extra Vision is a Crooked Media production. Show is produced
by Chris Lord and Saul Rubin and executive produced by
me Jason Simps You and Our. Editing and sound design

(01:28:33):
is by Visilis Fortopoulos. Video production by Delon Villanueva and
Rachel Guyeski. Social media by Awa Oklati and Caroline Dunn.
Thank you to Brian Basquez for a theme. See you
next time.

Speaker 2 (01:28:46):
Go on.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Hey Mike, this is his stuff from Marine.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:52):
I want to talk about the Gojo sale today. You know,
I'm a guy. Let's just call him a sore so
talk about it on background. I think your listeners might
find this really interesting. I got a buddy of mine.
We go to the Giants games together. We've had season
tickets together for a long time. We go see the
Mets all the time. He's a buddy of mine for like,

(01:29:13):
we go way back. Anyways, he's let's just say he
works for ken Uh And apparently in the wake of
the deal, Ken was crying. His hair was all must up.
They said there. He said there was a fight, the
kids were fighting. Ken tried to scoop his brother's eyes out.
He walks down to the battery. He almost jumps in
the drink, and my buddy had the apparently get him

(01:29:37):
out of there. And guess here's another thing. My buddy says,
it's not the first time Ken's been in the water,
and he like, he just left it at that. He
left it very very cryptic in that kind of way.
And let me tell you some of them. My guy Collin, Sorry,
edit that out. Whatever I just said. The name, I

(01:29:59):
just say, can you edit that out, Mike? No, Okay, Well,
what I was gonna say is my guy is just
h or my girl or whoever he is. He uh,
it doesn't know. He's a very straight spoken kind of guy,
and he doesn't always speak in riddles like that, Mike.
So I think there's something serious going on. And that's

(01:30:21):
all I have to say on the Goko deal. Mike.
I'll take my hands off the end.

Speaker 2 (01:30:25):
Thank you.

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