August 2, 2022 • 45 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the public outcry about Deshaun Watson’s 6-game suspension will likely lead to an appeal from the NFL. Jerry Jones proves his genius with the Cowboys being valued at $7.64B, but he continues to overstep when it comes to his head coaches and the great Jon Paul Morosi jumps on to preview the MLB Trade Deadline.
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Is the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas knocks on
Fox Sports Radio. It is a huge day here on
the show, guys, huge day. Yes, it is Fox Sports Radio.
It is Fox Sports Radio. Is now joined by Berto
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because Berto was back. Berno is back in the building.
How about it? Yeah, Burto the band is back together. Uh. Yeah,
it's been a while. I mean last time a last
time Berto was here, Deshaun Watson wasn't suspended at all,
and yet here we are. We've got a six game suspension.
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So you've missed out on so much. Burn was Deshaun watching?
Somebody said he was Tiana Snake. Is that the quickest one?
I think so, yeah, the Tiajuana Watson. That's you are
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a class act. That's act. So So Burno's back. We're
obviously happy to have him. Uh and uh. And of
course the Deshaun Watson saga continues on here. So now
that we have had about twenty four hours to digest
the decision, they came down yesterday in the final hour
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of the program, we were on the air the six
games spension. Do you guys believe that the NFL, who
has said they're looking into possibly appealing this, and they've
got three days to do it. Now about two days left.
Do you think the NFL appeals this or we just
roll with six games moving forward. I think the public
outcry has almost led me to think, Now, yesterday, I
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didn't think either side would at least that's what you know. Reportedly.
We knew the n f l p A Deshaun Watson
camp wasn't going to and we and I thought we
had heard from the NFL saying something similar maybe a
week or two ago when their decision was kind of
wrapped up. But Suell Robinson was really taking her time
and I think almost asking the NFL, n f l
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p A, and Shaun Watson's crew to come to some
sort of settlement before she she gave her her verdict,
if you will. So I kind of thought that I know,
and maybe they'll they'll both just kind of deal with
this new process of deciding to punishment. But there has
been a lot of public outcry, and this was not
a news dump on a Friday, where it goes over
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the weekend, then it goes in the next week. And
people sometimes tend to move on. This happened on a
Monday morning before nine am. We actually got to, you know,
be a part of that, a little bit of breaking
the news. And it's gonna continue to snowball and build,
I think as the week goes on. And and so
given that, I almost I almost think it's it would
be impossible for the NFL to not appeal something and say, Okay,
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we reportedly wanted a full year, let's try to settle
somewhere in between where we say ten, eleven, twelve games.
So it looks more putative because at this point everyone's
kind of now lining up and going, this is a
disgrace given the unprecedented nature of all of the allegations,
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all the women who were impacted by this, and and
we know they've settled, but still, given the unprecedented nature
of this, you can't compare it to things in the past.
And that's probably the thing that stands out the most
about this judgment by Suel Robinson is she was quoted
saying she's bound by the standards of the fairness and
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consistency of the treatment among players similarly situated, which when
you read that, you go, well, who's ever been in
a similar situation. Don't don't compare it to Ben Roethlisberger,
don't compare it to Zeke Elliott, because no one has
had this many people, has this been this predatory, and
has had this many issues, And so she's almost using
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the out of well, this is what you've agreed to
in the c B A, and I'm gonna rule based
on that because you know otherwise it's unfair to Deshaun Watson.
I gotta be honest with you. I don't care if
it's unfair to Deshaun Watson. He put himself in this position,
and it's unprecedented. She should be able to go out
on a limb and say I think you should it
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should be suspending ten or twelve games or maybe the
full season, and not blink and eye and think that
this is gonna be, you know, something that people are
gonna be like, No, that's too harsh. I mean it is.
It's bizarre the fact that with with six games now,
looking at it and and the public outcry at least
what I've heard read from it, and being around a
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bunch of people listening to the kind of their response
to it, it would be interesting to see if the
NFL doesn't decide to appeal this. I think that's complex.
I think it's complex based off of of what what
you just stated. Q. I think it's complex because this
is a corporation that held an internal hearing to decide
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what the punishment was going to be. She gave her
she gave her reasoning. And it's interesting because going into it,
the NFL did say that they weren't going to to
appeal or or challenge her decision. It almost appeared to
me that was why she was chosen to take the case.
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She They they felt like they chose the most credible
here we go, here we go independent arbitrator to do this.
So now the the burden of of of giving a
a punishment a recommendation was placed on not only this arbitrator,
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but a woman arbitrator. So when everything shook shook out,
and and and and the the you know, the conclusion
came down. I just I think people can be as
upset as they want to be, But I think the
reality that exists here is that whether they want to
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be upset, whether it sets a horrible precedence, which it does,
um whether whether it's one of those things that you
look at and you say to yourself, this is what
a person can get away with and actually be rewarded with.
I mean the example that that's sending to other players,
this example that it's sending to college players or high
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school players. It's like, basically, you can get away because
there's probably there. I mean, you gotta believe that there's
some can't get rights out there that that saw this
and believe that they now too can get away it
with hand link things the way that that Deshaun Watson
handled things. And maybe not in the massage area, but
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in other areas. I think it's very dangerous in a
real way, what what this decision represents because of of
basically he's been he's been rewarded. He gets a six
game vacation on a new team with a guaranteed contract,
gets to go through training camp in preseason, and and
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and and learn, watch and learn like that that he
gets it's it's like the most ideal situation for a
new player going into a new situation. I just you know,
but for what it's worth. But for what it's worth.
She she went through the process and she did not rush.
She did not rush like she took a while. And
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and I agree I think she did say or or
put out there that these these cases needed to be
settled um and and handled and put the bid And
I think that's why they moved so quickly to do it.
And I don't know that the NFL can can undo
what people are feeling. Like if they come back and say,
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all right, it's going to be ten games, I don't
think it. The damage is done. The damage is done,
and they might as well if if it's if it's
me and I'm sitting in those meetings, I'd say, listen,
we told you we put the case into this arbitrator's hands.
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The arbitration process has played out. You know what people
were upset when O. J. Simpson was was declared innocent.
You know, there was outcry on that what what precedence
does that set? What? Like? How horrible is this that
he was convicted of a civil court along, Yeah, the
civil civil but the big but the big, the big boy,
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you know, the criminal case he was found you know,
the glove didn't fit and they acquit it. So you know,
I just I just think that they always prepare. I mean,
why not? Why not? Because the bottom murdered someone and
then one didn't one allegedly murdered someone. And this we're
also not talking about a criminal court of law, that
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this doesn't have anything to do with law, and but
but that's that's my point. But my point is is
that that the public is always going to be upset.
There's always not because if if if they had said
ten and twelve games or a season, yes, there would
not be an outcry yes there, I mean, it's it's
it's I mean, we could argue it, but we'll never know,
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and we'll never know unless it it happens, will if
the NFL appeals it, because it actually then goes to
an arbitrator that is Roger good That's where the arbitratar.
But then that's that's that's I think that's messier. I
think it becomes messier if Roger good Dale, If Roger
good Dale unseats what the arbitrator that was brought in
Dudds has done, I think it makes a messier I
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think I think it undoes them more. I think the
NFL is in a spot to where they have to
appeal because and I think the Browns helped them get
to this spot because and you mentioned not only was
he suspended six games but also rewarded. I mean, one
of the big talking points for a lot of people
is wait, so he's gonna get forty five million dollars
still this year, So he's getting like so, I think
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the Browns and the way they structured this has put
the NFL in a spot to where the NFL has
to appeal it, if anything, just to give the appearance
that hey, we're with you on this, we think this
is ridiculous. Let us at least, you know, a show
a little bit of something here. Just the arbitrator. Let's
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let's get a few things right. Swell Robinson is not
the arbitrator in this case. She's what the NFL considers
a disciplinary officer. Now, once they would appeal, then it
would go to an arbitrator that happens to be Roger
Goodell in that instance. So that's the actual structure of
the decision making process. Sue L. Robinson is now who
to the NFL and NFL p A have anointed in
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this new process to be the disciplinary officer. So when
these issues come up, that's who they go to. She's
not really an arbitrator. It would be who Roger Goodell
would kind of fulfill that role in an appeals process
of this sort of decision, just to make it like
clean as far as how it how it works. Can
I ask this? Can I ask this? If this is
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the clean way of doing it? And why didn't Roger
Goodell just do it in the first place? I mean,
am I am I asking the past? Right? Is am I?
Am I in the wrong for thinking for something as
big as this, just get in there and say you
did it. Whether you didn't do it or you did
do it in the court of law, I don't care
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you did it. We're gonna sit you down for a year.
Why not just do it? Well? How do we got
to go through all of this? Because to me, now,
if that's the case, if if what what you're saying
right now, Q, that's shenanigans to me, To me, that's shenanigans.
Say for giving you a year of suspension? Yeah, I
think what the NFL wanted to do was create a
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process with the NFL p A where they take a
step back. Because if you'll recall when Roger Goodell first
took over as commissioner of the Jewelry, well, the the
the ability to impact players with whatever however they're off
the field actions with whatever it was under the player
of conduct policy had always existed within the c b A,
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but it never been enforced the way Roger Goodell enforced it,
and and so he became out as the judge jury
execution and all that. Well, you know, that was that
happened for a long time. The problem became is I
think the NFL realized, like, wait a second, we're taken on,
you know, something press probably bigger than we ultimately wanted
to because it's complicated, right. You kind of pointed out, like,
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you know, there's the civil cord, there's the criminal court.
There's times when you're trying to wait for all these
things to sort themselves out before you issue a punishment
to a player based on their conduct within the c
b A. And that's complicated. So they kind of said, hey,
let's annoying someone who's a third party and that both
sides can agree upon saying, we believe this could be
the new NFL disciplinary and officer. She's not someone that's
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necessarily within the structure of the NFL. She is, you know,
a former U. S. District judge that we both feel
comfortable with in determining the punishment for these sorts of things,
and look and if and if we don't like it,
each side has the opportunity to appeal. But our trump
card is that appeal ultimately comes back to Roger Goodell
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because you know, and then that's something that came in
the last CBA and uh c b A. It's one
of those things they snuck in there. So it's always
been their trump cards. And look, that's been the NFL.
They're they're always gonna operate from a position of power
when they can, but at this end stints, you know,
I think it allows them the opportunity to do what
you're saying, where if they don't like what she came
up with, they could basically say, well, we're gonna appeal
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this for X, Y and Z, and this is the
punishment now that we believe to Shawn Watson should get.
It's almost like they can test out due to the
public outcry and how things look and then look like
the good guys at the end. I just don't know
how they look like the good guys when they deem
it like this is what they've allowed to take place.
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You deem it like this is it, this is your process?
So why not just this is a big deal. Everybody
knew this was a big deal coming into it. That's
why we've talked about it at nauseum. It's a big deal.
I'm more shocked by I'm just gonna say this, Sue L.
Robinson being a woman and this being her verdict, and
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like reading the language that there were some tea leaves
that came out in the conclusion and of her you know,
sixteen page of the decisions, some of that started to
come out. Tom pell Saro pel Sero, you know, you know,
put some of that stuff out there. I'm more surprised
by the language within that and how she came to
that fairness of it, and she and by the way
it's the way she worded some of her explanation as
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to how she came up with the suspension. It wasn't
like she said, yeah, look, you know he's I feel like,
you know, there's not enough there. She acknowledged. No, no, no, no, no,
there's an issue that that's why in put in place
for the remainder of his career, not allowed to go
see anything other than a team uh than a massage
therapist as as you know, through the team like not
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like some of the other stuff that she put in
there to where the guy clearly had a little bit
of an issue, and she pointed that out to make sure, hey,
this is not like nothing happened here. She found that
the NFL provided enough evidence and I think three of
the cases or in a few of the cases where
they provided enough evidence that there was something there, that
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something happened. And that also Deshaun Watson wasn't totally truthful
with it. Jonas, You want to know what's funny about
that comment that that he has to go through the team.
Seemingly some way, somehow he was possibly connected to going
through the team with with the Texas. That's why they
had to saddle with thirty different people. That's so it
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sounds that's aine, Well, how do you enforce it? I mean,
in all honesty, if he goes home and he wants
to have whoever, call whoever, Instagram message whoever, how does
it stop any of it? And you can sit there
and say, well, you know they're gonna have the messages
and all the stuff. It might not be from DeShawn
Watson directly this time. I mean like, it's that's why
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what I think when I look at the punishment and
how it really? What does it change? He had fifteen
million dollars, He had fifteen million dollars two days ago.
You know what it changes, would sages? It changes his outlook.
It changes his outlook on how he approaches doing because
let let me tell you something. Maybe I've been blocked.
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I don't know. I could care us about if he
blocked me or duck, so I didn't check to know.
But it just says to me, if you get awarded
that amount of money, that type of contract after telling
a team I'm not going to play for you the
year before you shit out, you watch and you get
six games that you're going to sit out, no fines,
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no penalties, six games that you're going to sit out.
That says to me, you know what, I have clarity
on who I am as a person and how I
want to do things, and I can guarantee you. And
that man's little mind of his, he's probably thinking he's
done absolutely nothing wrong and has been given the green
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light to believe that that some way, sickly is somehow true.
He quit on his team, he is a pervert, and
he got rewarded two thirty million dollars guarantee. It's all
lived the American dream, people, So I live the American Dream.
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Yeah damn right. Uh so you guys want to hear
about a genius, an NFL genius. I mean, this guy
has figured it out. Kara Jones continues to roll out
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mediocre football teams who don't do anything in the postseason.
Yet they are by far and away the most valuable
franchise in all of sports. Uh. They are over the
New York Yankees and also significantly ahead of the l
A Rams at two. Their two NFL evaluation is seven
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point six four billion dollars. For Jerry Jones, the guy
who owns a team who had one of the most
confusing final play call sequence is of a playoff game
in recent NFL history. It's his team. I mean, come on,
you know, like, hey, you know, although it's so so,
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what second is it like Manchester United? No? I think
second is the Yankees? Yeah, the Yankees. Okay, imagine having
a debacle in the playoffs, and I can't think of
recent history if the Yankees have but to the magnitude
of what the Dallas Cowboys had last year, Like I
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think we tend to forget, like I was astonished. I
really was, Like I was astonished by how their season
ended last year, not because I thought they were gonna
be a super Bowl winning team, but just the manner
in which it did in a professional football game, and
knowing how many times you practice that exact scenario, and
then what they were trying to pull off, and then
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how they were justifying it after the fact, Like, no,
that was just not smart. Like you literally I had
to get yourself a little bit closer to take a shot,
but you you missed out on the opportunity if you've
been having a shot at the end of the game.
It's just I'm surprised it didn't get more. I guess
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more where more more talk. I mean it did for
like a period of time. I think it's what a
lot of people felt, like why Dan Quinn might have been,
you know, a potential candidate to take over for Mike McCarthy.
But if it if it would have with the Yankees,
if it would happen with Manchester United, like some of
these other very valued franchises, it would have went non
stop this offseason. But the Cowboys fan base, to me,
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I think they're so loyal When you think about the
fact that they have not had that much success in
the past what thirty years, almost, they have been so
loyal it's ridiculous. But like they're part of it. Like
they're a part of the reason why the Cowboys are
so valued because they can go through one of the
worst losses, one of the most bone headed, awful ways
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to lose a game, the playoffs, and yet they can
still be the most valued franchise because their fan base
has their back no matter what. By almost two billion
dollars over the Rams, who just won the Super Bowl. Wow,
so yeah, it's okay man. Jerry Jones has figured this out.
By the way, the Bengals are dead last, just total
disrespect at two point eight four billion dollars. Are the
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Cincinnati Bengals trailing the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Detroit Lions.
So that's nice, kind of, that's not even bad. I
mean you're still in the billion. Yeah, I mean bad
is good sometimes can be good and remember right, thank
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you mean? Yeah, So there's that. Also, Jerry Jones made
some news recently. He talked about Zeke Elliott, a guy
who but Albert Breer pointed this out last week and
it didn't even occur to me. Zeke Elliot's entering his
seventh year, Like I just you think, and it seems
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like it was just yesterday that they were in that
playoff game against the Packers and they lost, and then
you think, my god, he's almost thirty years old at
this point. So and he talked about he's on the
back nine of his career, he's on the downside of
his career. But Jerry Jones is optimistic for Zeke Elliot
this upcoming season. We gotta have Tony Pollard out there, No, seriously,
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Zeke's got to be our feature and feature uh and
if we can feature him in a lot of different ones.
We all recognize what he does in the passing game
because of his protection ability. Don't ever underestimate Dad, especially
with Zeke. Zeke takes some toad when he's out there
as a back block. So it's critical that we make
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Zeke because he's capable of being dead. Really the focus
of what we're doing now, then Pollard, There's plenty of
room for Pollard. There's plenty of room for pol Heard
when Zeke's in there, Bomber names, you get the ball man.
Mike McCarthy would feel a hell of a lot better
about his situation there if Jerry Jones or that, or
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if if that let's start there all right, or if
Jerry Jones actually backed him like he backs his players
who have underperformed. I mean that would be nice. I
mean Mike McCarthy can get a little bit of that.
Make some glory hope. I mean, what point are we
are we? I mean, at what point are we? By
the way, what is that even in do we know
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what that's even in context or reference to? When Jerry
Jones says I want me soon make some glory hope,
why would he? Why would he ever almost that? It
almost doesn't even sound like Jerry Jones. Jones, and let's
hear it again, I won't make some glory hope. That
sounds like the new coach Brian Kelly. Yeah, he's trying
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to do to the younger audience, you know. I mean,
so Zeke's time as the feature back to where they
can just depend on him that that's a wrap on that, correct.
I mean, we're we're moving on past this apparently not okay,
I mean, I I don't know. At some point, I
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just wonder if anybody actually takes what Jerry Jones has
to say seriously. There I could tell you one person
that should, Mike McCarthy. Yeah, okay, So at the end
of the day, who else needs to take it seriously?
Mike McCarthy needs to take what he In fact, I
would Okay, that's what coach McCarthy wants. That's what he's
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going to get. If that's what you want me to
feature Zeke, and we gotta get Tony poll at the ball.
That's what we're gonna do, and and he would be
wise to do so. I just wonder is that is
that a good enough excuse for a coach? A good
enough reason? I mean, listen, if Bill Parcels finds himself
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having the same conversations about Jerry Jones, then anybody else
can get away with the credibility of it is established
because to make Bill Parcels feel that way, like, oh hey, listen,
you want me to win, then you let me go
into the grocery store. You let me want you want
me to cook out and get let me get the groceries.
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Like like Bill did not like the way that he
was being micro managed when he was coaching there. So
you're not to assume they're far far lesser personalities in
terms of dominant personalities, alpha male personalities that have come
through those doors, like a Jason Garrett. Maybe Mike McCarthy
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isn't the you know, he's he's he's kind of got
a strong personality, but he doesn't come across as like
an alpha male type of guy that's gonna be like, hey, Jerry,
like relaxed, I got this type of guy. So, I mean,
I just wonder is that is do I mean, is
it really Jerry Jones holding its team back? Well, by
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the way the Bill Parcels stuff to you, remember, Jerry
Jones never really got heat for that relationship falling apart
because everyone just assumed, oh, it's Bill Parcels. He goes
somewhere and that he leaves like he did with the
Giants and like he did with the Patriots. So this
is clearly a Bill Parcels issue. And now you look
back on it and you go, no, man, he was
trying to let everybody know, just like Jimmy Johnson was
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years ago, there's there's there's not this cohesion that you
have from owner to coach. For some reason, Jerry Jones
butts heads with these guys all the time. She like
that just seems to be what he's all about. By
the way, Lead the Lab does have some important information
falls this is this is really really huge when it
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comes to prepared for drops two season for the Dallas Cowboys.
So what have you uncovered doing your copious research here?
It was almost twenty years ago today speaking at an
annual press conference that Jones had that that glory hole quick,
I think it was it was ten years ten years ago.
It was ten years ago. Um wait wait wait wait
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years ago. And that's a big difference. Differ didn't leave alone.
A lot happened between two thousand and two and to
ut sorry, I was rushing to my seat here. Okay,
made some glorio. So what's the context of it? Why
why did he say this? He was talking about the
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glory hole days of the Super Bowl winning Cowboys when
talking about Tony Romo and Jason Witten, trying to get
them some glory hole. Yeah, so he did Jerry Jones
did he was he meaning to say glory days and
he uh, he slipped up and said glory whole days.
And I just continued to roll through with it and
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pretend like that's what he meant. Okay, I won't make
some glorial I mean gab on Mexico. Yeah, the glory hole.
By the way, do you see Jerry Jones a training
camp yesterday was autographing a baby somebody on the forehead.
I don't even I don't even know where he was.
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It was a little uncomfortable, but probably has already happened,
So I'm sure he's okay. The face of big new kickoff.
Everybody there he is where He's just a class act
through and through, uh his falls Saturdays on this fall
you can see him prime time coming to a packed
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house near you. How do you put that on me?
By the way, do you know, are you guys going
to be going on the road every single week? You know,
be doing some studio shows. Do you know your your schedule?
What's the plan there every single week? I can't. I
can't give you our exact destinations. Yet I was able
to get a snake peek of the presentation so I
know what will be, but every single week will be
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on the road. So that's pretty exciting time. Yeah, pretty exciting,
man brand, And we kick off with with Big Brothers,
Penn State, Nitney Lyons Thursday Night. Baby, they're gonna throw
hot dogs with coins in them, like you talked to.
I hope they still don't throw them at me. I mean,
we beat the ever living crap out of them last
time I was there, so I don't I don't think
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they're gonna throw Well, they might, I don't know. It's
a nasty those engineering students there nasty, Yeah, nasty. Drone
boom that's that huge drum and they've got this is
actually low key. And I don't know if LeVar you
played there right? Yes? Do you remember they have the
worst visitors locker room in the entire Big tent. I
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do remember it. It's tiny. It is tiny for a
reason too, but it's the worst of any any that
you'll you'll find in the Big Tent. H Well, I listen,
at least you want to have to stay there. You'll
be there, uh and for everybody to watch and view,
and we gotta get like, do we need some people
to stand behind you? Is going to have like a
pat crowd behind you that would get on camera. Like,
(30:03):
I wonder if we could get somebody to to put
up signs that are references to this show on Big
New Kickoff. I bet we could. I bet we could.
We should pay Lee to fly out just to have
lego like, not for any of the reason that just
to hold a sign. You imagine Brady's talking on Big
New Kickoff and some some a holes holding up a
sign that says, what about me? Pac Man? Literally, I
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might make signs and give them the people, just the crowd,
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It's been too long, Jp, what's happening. I'm doing great, guys.
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This is basically Christmas Day for me. Okay, we've got
to trade deadline m Eastern times today. We've got all
kinds of action around me. Three baseball one, soda was
on the block. I've already had my first cup of coffee.
I'm feeling great, all right. So what is the latest
on Juan Soto? How likely is a deal that a
deal gets done today? And who are the most likely candidates? Sure?
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I do think we're still at about a seventy chance
of a trade, which is remarkable when you consider one
of the very best players we have seen in the
game in years. And my favorite stat I want Soto
is that he is so young and so great that
twelve players in the Futures Game are older than him. Okay,
so twelve players in the All Star Futures Game, the
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stars up tomorrow, are older than twenty three year old
Juan Soto, And so that's why teams like the Podres,
the Dodgers, the Cardinals are all involved heavily. I do
believe those are the three teams right now that I've
heard different ideas. Maybe the Jay's had asked, maybe the
Giants that Ben involved, But I really think right now
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the show is among the Dodgers, um and the Padres
and the Cardinals. The Dodgers still, while maybe we haven't
talked about them as much as the Padres and Cardinals
in connection with Soto, remember this, the Dodgers have the
best farm system in the game, and if they really
really want him, they'll get him. JP. I want to
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ask you about show, hey, Osani, because I know the
Angels have reportedly listened to offers for him, and any
chance he gets moved before the Deadliners, this something may
before the off season. Britty, It's a great question. I
think it's more of the off season because the Angels
did listen on him, and they did, and that I
think was more driven by the front office as opposed
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to ownership. Ownership, from what I can gather, is and
has been very opposed to the idea of trading arguably
the most marketable player in the sport. I think for them,
they look at Otani and see so much of their
their marketing, their advertising, sponsorships. He is a global sports icon,
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and in that vein, it is really hard to trade
him um, even though there's only a year and a
half left on his deal, even though there's been no
evident progress on a contract extension. He's too important to
what they do as an organization, and so as a result,
I think they will keep them at least through the year.
Maybe that we visited during the off season, but I
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think Brady, this is not the last that we're hearing
of a showy Otani trade possibility, because I think candidly,
he's got to be frustrated with the direction of the team.
They were supposed to compete. They had a good first
six weeks of the season and then they collapsed. And
so from my perspective, the Angels have a lot of
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work to do to convince Otani um that that that's
the right place to be long term, and I frankly
don't think they're going to be able to do that.
The buddy, I'm I'm blanking on his name right now,
JP that turned down the big, big, major contract in Washington. Yeah, Okay,
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So We're okay, you do. We just talked about. I'm
just I'm curious for for his good as as the
Gnats have been for as long as they were so
good for and we see this happened so many times,
a franchise organization could actually fall so far in terms
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of how competitive they are that players would actually turned
down that amount of money. Can you talk to me
a little bit because I don't I don't see that
type of fall take place. And and like say in football, right,
like if an organization is generally good, then they're generally good.
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They might have down years like we're seeing the Giants,
they're having a downtime, but I don't know that they
will stay there because you look at how well there
ran and the people who are you know, owning the
franchise itself. How does that work in baseball? How do
how do they go from being such a a model
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a model franchise to where they're to the point now
where a guy like Soto doesn't even want to sign
the largest contract ever in the history of the game. No,
LaVar is a great question, and a couple of things
with Soto, they the Nationals have made him this incredible offer. Uh,
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and I don't think they're really going to go any
higher than that. Soto, to me, has a great amount
of interest in just being able to hit free agency
and make a record sum of money there and set
the new market. Remember his agent, as Scott Boris at
Boris always loves taking superstar clients to market because it
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sort of brings up the overall price points for the
whole sport. And I think Scott looks at this and
and I'm sure he's advised one about just how young
he is and how talented he is, and that when
he gets on the open market and is available to
be bid on by all thirty teams, he's going to
be able to hit numbers and in levels that we
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have never seen before in the sport. And so I
think that that idea is really appealing, certainly to his agent,
but also to Juan Soto himself. I also think from
the National's perspective, why they're more comfortable with the notion
of trading him, at least relative to let's say, the
Angels with Otani, is that they've already won the World
Series with him. They did that three years ago, and
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so they've already checked that box. They've already entered a rebuild.
They've traded Serzer, They've traded Trade Turner, They've clearly turned
the page. And I think with Mike Rizzo as the GM,
he has that cash a and and sort of the
gravitas in the industry where he's been able to make
trade like this before and build it back up. So
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that's a normal part of his roster management. The other
part is the team's up for sale, and I'm a
firm believer that the the the acquiring new owners do
not want to have this big, grandiose press conference and
then the next day say, oh, by the way, my
first move as owner is going to be the trade
Juan Soto, so that I think they want to avoid that,
and I'm sure that there's some level of communication with
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the prospective ownership groups. Many of them would probably said, yeah,
we love for you to take the pr hit on
this before we buy the team. John Palmerossi joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio or MLB Insider. You can
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at John Morrosi JP. Why did the Brewers trade Josh
Hayter If they're sitting in first place in the Central
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you know, that's an only great question because you look
at jonas the way that Major League Baseball works, and
then this is the reality um of a non cap sport.
And I think took to LaVar's point that was maybe
the one other thing I didn't mention about the Soto
uh equation is there's no cap and baseball and so
there is that there is that temptation on the on
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the part of the superstar players to to set these
new levels and unchartered waters because we have no upper
boundary in this sport as to what the top is.
We don't know what that number is because it doesn't exist.
And I think on the on the same token, the
Brewers are one of the two smallest markets in the sport.
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I think it's Milwaukee Cincinnati in some order our twenty
nine and thirty, and so they have to, unfortunately for them,
sort of operate on a different script than a lot
of the rest of the league because, as David Stern
said in his press release yesterday at the GM of
the part of the Brewers that they have to make
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moves that constantly replenished their supply of young players. That way,
they don't have this boom and bust cycle where they
have to have these dramatic rebuild They want to be
sustainable and that often involves, unfortunately for fans in Milwaukee
and Cleveland, which has done is before, sort of peeling
off key players at different times and just trading them
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for a set of players at a little bit younger,
a little bit less expensive. And that's the way that
they have a sustainable path. It doesn't I know, it
doesn't sound great, and that sort of just sounds like
a little bit of corporate speak, but that's just the
reality of how they have to operate. There's only a
handful of teams really that that do it like this frequently.
Even Cleveland in years gone by, they've they've still made
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the playoffs, even years in which they've created Mike Clevinger
made moves like that, they traded Corey Klubourn still had
a really good season. That that's kind of the way
that the handful of these teams work. David Serves is
one of the best GM's in the game. And while
Brewer fans may be upset today, when I looked at
that deal yesterday, I felt like they made a pretty
good trade that will allow them to to likely still
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make the playoffs this year and hopefully, from their standpoint,
avoid a real sharp downturn afterwards. JP last one for me.
But you know, one of the teams that probably falls
outside of that group of teams just talking about that
how they go about managing, Uh their roster is the
New York Yankees and Joey Gallo just it doesn't seem
like it's worked out there since you got acquired last
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trade deadline. Is he potential to be to be moved
on from since he's what a free agent? I believe
after this season, Yes, Braddy, I think he will be
traded today. Uh, that you're right. And it just has
not worked out with Gallo and the Yankees. I think
he's put a lot of pressure on himself. Um, and
it just hasn't worked. And you could tell his teammates
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really have have been there to support him and and
try to give him through this tough time. Because you're
there in New York and you just feeling the pressure
of the world, you're not having success. You're hearing Booze
and his teammates Anthony rizz and others have been really
really supportive of him and and this the struggles have
continued for Joey Gallo, I think a change of scenery
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will will be really good for him, just a bit
of a reboot, refresh, and hopefully is that bats started
to look a lot more like they did in Texas.
I mean that there was certainly a chance at that
point in time that he could have signed a long
term extension. Then when you don't and you get traded
and you struggle, I think sometimes and it's only natural
you kind of started to see dollar signs and wonder
on my ash, but I turned down on what was
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I thinking? And I think that's kind of where he's
spiraled a bit. So, UM, I know he's a he's
a really well liked guy in that clubhouse in New York.
And I think that when he's traded, probably today, UM,
I think a lot of his teammates will offer some
really kind words and just hope that he has a
better future somewhere else. And I think that that's you'll
see that from his teammates. They really do like him
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a lot. He's just struggled mightily and and he's I
think a classic change scenery case. And and the positive
side is other teams like them that they're willing to
buy low and give him an opportunity. So I would
say that the stay tuned today because I think a
Joey gallow trade is one of many things that we'll
be watching here coming up. John Palmerosy, we know you
gotta go. You got TV to do. It's a busy
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day for you. You can follow him on Twitter at
John Rossi. He's got wall to wall coverage of the
trade deadline and all the moves that we can expect.
J p Less do it again soon. J Yeah, I'm
gonna call back at some point. I'm gonna I want
to have all my questions answered about about the Notre
Dame Ohio State game. That's that's like on as soon
as I get through this day, I'm gonna focus on
that game. Okay, big time, big time and and and
(43:07):
I'm the guy to go to for all that stuff,
So you can just direct. I'll take care of that
all the best. That the conversation, Fox Sports Radio, MLB
Insider also MLB Network, and it's gonna be a fun
time there. So I feel like, uh, I mean, I
feel like my questions were the best, but you know,
getting not here to uh you know, certainly we're average one.
(43:32):
We ended up. We ended up time and it's hying
in the game. So yeah, which is funny because we
haven't done that game in a while. But as soon
as we started, uh, as soon as we started asking questions,
it came right back. I wish people do. I wish
I could have redeemed talked about this before I had
a goat one. I had a goat one in the change.
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We just be honest with everybody here. We're like a
bunch of twelve year old okay, who compete this? We
we try to compete for good or great question from JP,
because usually he'll start off by say, hey, great question,
good question. So we we keep track, we keep points
of that. And Jonas got an over uh like I
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did on my second I thought the gallow it was
a good question. But if you're if you're really paying
close attention, you can actually hear Jonas is sound effects
of disappointment. You can hear that. You can hear I forgot,
I forgot the term my my mic off. Actually when
(44:36):
he hit you with great question, you are boom boom,
Yeah you kind of you pushed I could tell you
from bad Yeah. Well the other thing was I think
Jonas thought we worked at an acknowledge at LaVar and
then it's as soon as he got nothing after the
first question. I was like, here's the problem. It's not
just that Brady wants to point it out. He wants
to point it out multiple different ways. So we have
(44:58):
a group chain. He's got to text it on and
then he's got to do it individual to me, just
in case I didn't see on the group chain him
rubbing it in that he got a great question. Then
he's got to send it to me directly. Like that's
how this works. I make sure Jonas knows that he
did get Eddie points that first question. It's cruel, it's
not very fun. I'm not a great Yeah, that's right,
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because Berto was back. Berno is back in the building.
How about it? Yeah, Burto the band is back together. Uh. Yeah,
it's been a while. I mean last time a last
time Berto was here, Deshaun Watson wasn't suspended at all,
and yet here we are. We've got a six game suspension.
(00:45):
So you've missed out on so much. Burn was Deshaun watching?
Somebody said he was Tiana Snake. Is that the quickest one?
I think so, yeah, the Tiajuana Watson. That's you are
(01:09):
a class act. That's act. So So Burno's back. We're
obviously happy to have him. Uh and uh. And of
course the Deshaun Watson saga continues on here. So now
that we have had about twenty four hours to digest
the decision, they came down yesterday in the final hour
(01:31):
of the program, we were on the air the six
games spension. Do you guys believe that the NFL, who
has said they're looking into possibly appealing this, and they've
got three days to do it. Now about two days left.
Do you think the NFL appeals this or we just
roll with six games moving forward. I think the public
outcry has almost led me to think, Now, yesterday, I
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didn't think either side would at least that's what you know. Reportedly.
We knew the n f l p A Deshaun Watson
camp wasn't going to and we and I thought we
had heard from the NFL saying something similar maybe a
week or two ago when their decision was kind of
wrapped up. But Suell Robinson was really taking her time
and I think almost asking the NFL, n f l
(02:15):
p A, and Shaun Watson's crew to come to some
sort of settlement before she she gave her her verdict,
if you will. So I kind of thought that I know,
and maybe they'll they'll both just kind of deal with
this new process of deciding to punishment. But there has
been a lot of public outcry, and this was not
a news dump on a Friday, where it goes over
(02:38):
the weekend, then it goes in the next week. And
people sometimes tend to move on. This happened on a
Monday morning before nine am. We actually got to, you know,
be a part of that, a little bit of breaking
the news. And it's gonna continue to snowball and build,
I think as the week goes on. And and so
given that, I almost I almost think it's it would
be impossible for the NFL to not appeal something and say, Okay,
(03:03):
we reportedly wanted a full year, let's try to settle
somewhere in between where we say ten, eleven, twelve games.
So it looks more putative because at this point everyone's
kind of now lining up and going, this is a
disgrace given the unprecedented nature of all of the allegations,
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all the women who were impacted by this, and and
we know they've settled, but still, given the unprecedented nature
of this, you can't compare it to things in the past.
And that's probably the thing that stands out the most
about this judgment by Suel Robinson is she was quoted
saying she's bound by the standards of the fairness and
(03:44):
consistency of the treatment among players similarly situated, which when
you read that, you go, well, who's ever been in
a similar situation. Don't don't compare it to Ben Roethlisberger,
don't compare it to Zeke Elliott, because no one has
had this many people, has this been this predatory, and
has had this many issues, And so she's almost using
(04:07):
the out of well, this is what you've agreed to
in the c B A, and I'm gonna rule based
on that because you know otherwise it's unfair to Deshaun Watson.
I gotta be honest with you. I don't care if
it's unfair to Deshaun Watson. He put himself in this position,
and it's unprecedented. She should be able to go out
on a limb and say I think you should it
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should be suspending ten or twelve games or maybe the
full season, and not blink and eye and think that
this is gonna be, you know, something that people are
gonna be like, No, that's too harsh. I mean it is.
It's bizarre the fact that with with six games now,
looking at it and and the public outcry at least
what I've heard read from it, and being around a
(04:50):
bunch of people listening to the kind of their response
to it, it would be interesting to see if the
NFL doesn't decide to appeal this. I think that's complex.
I think it's complex based off of of what what
you just stated. Q. I think it's complex because this
is a corporation that held an internal hearing to decide
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what the punishment was going to be. She gave her
she gave her reasoning. And it's interesting because going into it,
the NFL did say that they weren't going to to
appeal or or challenge her decision. It almost appeared to
me that was why she was chosen to take the case.
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She They they felt like they chose the most credible
here we go, here we go independent arbitrator to do this.
So now the the burden of of of giving a
a punishment a recommendation was placed on not only this arbitrator,
(06:00):
but a woman arbitrator. So when everything shook shook out,
and and and and the the you know, the conclusion
came down. I just I think people can be as
upset as they want to be, But I think the
reality that exists here is that whether they want to
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be upset, whether it sets a horrible precedence, which it does,
um whether whether it's one of those things that you
look at and you say to yourself, this is what
a person can get away with and actually be rewarded with.
I mean the example that that's sending to other players,
this example that it's sending to college players or high
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school players. It's like, basically, you can get away because
there's probably there. I mean, you gotta believe that there's
some can't get rights out there that that saw this
and believe that they now too can get away it
with hand link things the way that that Deshaun Watson
handled things. And maybe not in the massage area, but
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in other areas. I think it's very dangerous in a
real way, what what this decision represents because of of
basically he's been he's been rewarded. He gets a six
game vacation on a new team with a guaranteed contract,
gets to go through training camp in preseason, and and
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and and learn, watch and learn like that that he
gets it's it's like the most ideal situation for a
new player going into a new situation. I just you know,
but for what it's worth. But for what it's worth.
She she went through the process and she did not rush.
She did not rush like she took a while. And
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and I agree I think she did say or or
put out there that these these cases needed to be
settled um and and handled and put the bid And
I think that's why they moved so quickly to do it.
And I don't know that the NFL can can undo
what people are feeling. Like if they come back and say,
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all right, it's going to be ten games, I don't
think it. The damage is done. The damage is done,
and they might as well if if it's if it's
me and I'm sitting in those meetings, I'd say, listen,
we told you we put the case into this arbitrator's hands.
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The arbitration process has played out. You know what people
were upset when O. J. Simpson was was declared innocent.
You know, there was outcry on that what what precedence
does that set? What? Like? How horrible is this that
he was convicted of a civil court along, Yeah, the
civil civil but the big but the big, the big boy,
(09:01):
you know, the criminal case he was found you know,
the glove didn't fit and they acquit it. So you know,
I just I just think that they always prepare. I mean,
why not? Why not? Because the bottom murdered someone and
then one didn't one allegedly murdered someone. And this we're
also not talking about a criminal court of law, that
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this doesn't have anything to do with law, and but
but that's that's my point. But my point is is
that that the public is always going to be upset.
There's always not because if if if they had said
ten and twelve games or a season, yes, there would
not be an outcry yes there, I mean, it's it's
it's I mean, we could argue it, but we'll never know,
(09:45):
and we'll never know unless it it happens, will if
the NFL appeals it, because it actually then goes to
an arbitrator that is Roger good That's where the arbitratar.
But then that's that's that's I think that's messier. I
think it becomes messier if Roger good Dale, If Roger
good Dale unseats what the arbitrator that was brought in
Dudds has done, I think it makes a messier I
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think I think it undoes them more. I think the
NFL is in a spot to where they have to
appeal because and I think the Browns helped them get
to this spot because and you mentioned not only was
he suspended six games but also rewarded. I mean, one
of the big talking points for a lot of people
is wait, so he's gonna get forty five million dollars
still this year, So he's getting like so, I think
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the Browns and the way they structured this has put
the NFL in a spot to where the NFL has
to appeal it, if anything, just to give the appearance
that hey, we're with you on this, we think this
is ridiculous. Let us at least, you know, a show
a little bit of something here. Just the arbitrator. Let's
(10:51):
let's get a few things right. Swell Robinson is not
the arbitrator in this case. She's what the NFL considers
a disciplinary officer. Now, once they would appeal, then it
would go to an arbitrator that happens to be Roger
Goodell in that instance. So that's the actual structure of
the decision making process. Sue L. Robinson is now who
to the NFL and NFL p A have anointed in
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this new process to be the disciplinary officer. So when
these issues come up, that's who they go to. She's
not really an arbitrator. It would be who Roger Goodell
would kind of fulfill that role in an appeals process
of this sort of decision, just to make it like
clean as far as how it how it works. Can
I ask this? Can I ask this? If this is
(11:33):
the clean way of doing it? And why didn't Roger
Goodell just do it in the first place? I mean,
am I am I asking the past? Right? Is am I?
Am I in the wrong for thinking for something as
big as this, just get in there and say you
did it. Whether you didn't do it or you did
do it in the court of law, I don't care
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you did it. We're gonna sit you down for a year.
Why not just do it? Well? How do we got
to go through all of this? Because to me, now,
if that's the case, if if what what you're saying
right now, Q, that's shenanigans to me, To me, that's shenanigans.
Say for giving you a year of suspension? Yeah, I
think what the NFL wanted to do was create a
(12:15):
process with the NFL p A where they take a
step back. Because if you'll recall when Roger Goodell first
took over as commissioner of the Jewelry, well, the the
the ability to impact players with whatever however they're off
the field actions with whatever it was under the player
of conduct policy had always existed within the c b A,
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but it never been enforced the way Roger Goodell enforced it,
and and so he became out as the judge jury
execution and all that. Well, you know, that was that
happened for a long time. The problem became is I
think the NFL realized, like, wait a second, we're taken on,
you know, something press probably bigger than we ultimately wanted
to because it's complicated, right. You kind of pointed out, like,
(13:01):
you know, there's the civil cord, there's the criminal court.
There's times when you're trying to wait for all these
things to sort themselves out before you issue a punishment
to a player based on their conduct within the c
b A. And that's complicated. So they kind of said, hey,
let's annoying someone who's a third party and that both
sides can agree upon saying, we believe this could be
the new NFL disciplinary and officer. She's not someone that's
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necessarily within the structure of the NFL. She is, you know,
a former U. S. District judge that we both feel
comfortable with in determining the punishment for these sorts of things,
and look and if and if we don't like it,
each side has the opportunity to appeal. But our trump
card is that appeal ultimately comes back to Roger Goodell
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because you know, and then that's something that came in
the last CBA and uh c b A. It's one
of those things they snuck in there. So it's always
been their trump cards. And look, that's been the NFL.
They're they're always gonna operate from a position of power
when they can, but at this end stints, you know,
I think it allows them the opportunity to do what
you're saying, where if they don't like what she came
up with, they could basically say, well, we're gonna appeal
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this for X, Y and Z, and this is the
punishment now that we believe to Shawn Watson should get.
It's almost like they can test out due to the
public outcry and how things look and then look like
the good guys at the end. I just don't know
how they look like the good guys when they deem
it like this is what they've allowed to take place.
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You deem it like this is it, this is your process?
So why not just this is a big deal. Everybody
knew this was a big deal coming into it. That's
why we've talked about it at nauseum. It's a big deal.
I'm more shocked by I'm just gonna say this, Sue L.
Robinson being a woman and this being her verdict, and
(14:49):
like reading the language that there were some tea leaves
that came out in the conclusion and of her you know,
sixteen page of the decisions, some of that started to
come out. Tom pell Saro pel Sero, you know, you know,
put some of that stuff out there. I'm more surprised
by the language within that and how she came to
that fairness of it, and she and by the way
it's the way she worded some of her explanation as
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to how she came up with the suspension. It wasn't
like she said, yeah, look, you know he's I feel like,
you know, there's not enough there. She acknowledged. No, no, no, no, no,
there's an issue that that's why in put in place
for the remainder of his career, not allowed to go
see anything other than a team uh than a massage
therapist as as you know, through the team like not
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like some of the other stuff that she put in
there to where the guy clearly had a little bit
of an issue, and she pointed that out to make sure, hey,
this is not like nothing happened here. She found that
the NFL provided enough evidence and I think three of
the cases or in a few of the cases where
they provided enough evidence that there was something there, that
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something happened. And that also Deshaun Watson wasn't totally truthful
with it. Jonas, You want to know what's funny about
that comment that that he has to go through the team.
Seemingly some way, somehow he was possibly connected to going
through the team with with the Texas. That's why they
had to saddle with thirty different people. That's so it
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sounds that's aine, Well, how do you enforce it? I mean,
in all honesty, if he goes home and he wants
to have whoever, call whoever, Instagram message whoever, how does
it stop any of it? And you can sit there
and say, well, you know they're gonna have the messages
and all the stuff. It might not be from DeShawn
Watson directly this time. I mean like, it's that's why
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what I think when I look at the punishment and
how it really? What does it change? He had fifteen
million dollars, He had fifteen million dollars two days ago.
You know what it changes, would sages? It changes his outlook.
It changes his outlook on how he approaches doing because
let let me tell you something. Maybe I've been blocked.
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I don't know. I could care us about if he
blocked me or duck, so I didn't check to know.
But it just says to me, if you get awarded
that amount of money, that type of contract after telling
a team I'm not going to play for you the
year before you shit out, you watch and you get
six games that you're going to sit out, no fines,
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no penalties, six games that you're going to sit out.
That says to me, you know what, I have clarity
on who I am as a person and how I
want to do things, and I can guarantee you. And
that man's little mind of his, he's probably thinking he's
done absolutely nothing wrong and has been given the green
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light to believe that that some way, sickly is somehow true.
He quit on his team, he is a pervert, and
he got rewarded two thirty million dollars guarantee. It's all
lived the American dream, people, So I live the American Dream.
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Yeah damn right. Uh so you guys want to hear
about a genius, an NFL genius. I mean, this guy
has figured it out. Kara Jones continues to roll out
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mediocre football teams who don't do anything in the postseason.
Yet they are by far and away the most valuable
franchise in all of sports. Uh. They are over the
New York Yankees and also significantly ahead of the l
A Rams at two. Their two NFL evaluation is seven
(18:49):
point six four billion dollars. For Jerry Jones, the guy
who owns a team who had one of the most
confusing final play call sequence is of a playoff game
in recent NFL history. It's his team. I mean, come on,
you know, like, hey, you know, although it's so so,
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what second is it like Manchester United? No? I think
second is the Yankees? Yeah, the Yankees. Okay, imagine having
a debacle in the playoffs, and I can't think of
recent history if the Yankees have but to the magnitude
of what the Dallas Cowboys had last year, Like I
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think we tend to forget, like I was astonished. I
really was, Like I was astonished by how their season
ended last year, not because I thought they were gonna
be a super Bowl winning team, but just the manner
in which it did in a professional football game, and
knowing how many times you practice that exact scenario, and
then what they were trying to pull off, and then
(19:52):
how they were justifying it after the fact, Like, no,
that was just not smart. Like you literally I had
to get yourself a little bit closer to take a shot,
but you you missed out on the opportunity if you've
been having a shot at the end of the game.
It's just I'm surprised it didn't get more. I guess
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more where more more talk. I mean it did for
like a period of time. I think it's what a
lot of people felt, like why Dan Quinn might have been,
you know, a potential candidate to take over for Mike McCarthy.
But if it if it would have with the Yankees,
if it would happen with Manchester United, like some of
these other very valued franchises, it would have went non
stop this offseason. But the Cowboys fan base, to me,
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I think they're so loyal When you think about the
fact that they have not had that much success in
the past what thirty years, almost, they have been so
loyal it's ridiculous. But like they're part of it. Like
they're a part of the reason why the Cowboys are
so valued because they can go through one of the
worst losses, one of the most bone headed, awful ways
(20:58):
to lose a game, the playoffs, and yet they can
still be the most valued franchise because their fan base
has their back no matter what. By almost two billion
dollars over the Rams, who just won the Super Bowl. Wow,
so yeah, it's okay man. Jerry Jones has figured this out.
By the way, the Bengals are dead last, just total
disrespect at two point eight four billion dollars. Are the
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Cincinnati Bengals trailing the Jacksonville Jaguars and the Detroit Lions.
So that's nice, kind of, that's not even bad. I
mean you're still in the billion. Yeah, I mean bad
is good sometimes can be good and remember right, thank
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you mean? Yeah, So there's that. Also, Jerry Jones made
some news recently. He talked about Zeke Elliott, a guy
who but Albert Breer pointed this out last week and
it didn't even occur to me. Zeke Elliot's entering his
seventh year, Like I just you think, and it seems
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like it was just yesterday that they were in that
playoff game against the Packers and they lost, and then
you think, my god, he's almost thirty years old at
this point. So and he talked about he's on the
back nine of his career, he's on the downside of
his career. But Jerry Jones is optimistic for Zeke Elliot
this upcoming season. We gotta have Tony Pollard out there, No, seriously,
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Zeke's got to be our feature and feature uh and
if we can feature him in a lot of different ones.
We all recognize what he does in the passing game
because of his protection ability. Don't ever underestimate Dad, especially
with Zeke. Zeke takes some toad when he's out there
as a back block. So it's critical that we make
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Zeke because he's capable of being dead. Really the focus
of what we're doing now, then Pollard, There's plenty of
room for Pollard. There's plenty of room for pol Heard
when Zeke's in there, Bomber names, you get the ball man.
Mike McCarthy would feel a hell of a lot better
about his situation there if Jerry Jones or that, or
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if if that let's start there all right, or if
Jerry Jones actually backed him like he backs his players
who have underperformed. I mean that would be nice. I
mean Mike McCarthy can get a little bit of that.
Make some glory hope. I mean, what point are we
are we? I mean, at what point are we? By
the way, what is that even in do we know
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what that's even in context or reference to? When Jerry
Jones says I want me soon make some glory hope,
why would he? Why would he ever almost that? It
almost doesn't even sound like Jerry Jones. Jones, and let's
hear it again, I won't make some glory hope. That
sounds like the new coach Brian Kelly. Yeah, he's trying
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to do to the younger audience, you know. I mean,
so Zeke's time as the feature back to where they
can just depend on him that that's a wrap on that, correct.
I mean, we're we're moving on past this apparently not okay,
I mean, I I don't know. At some point, I
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just wonder if anybody actually takes what Jerry Jones has
to say seriously. There I could tell you one person
that should, Mike McCarthy. Yeah, okay, So at the end
of the day, who else needs to take it seriously?
Mike McCarthy needs to take what he In fact, I
would Okay, that's what coach McCarthy wants. That's what he's
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going to get. If that's what you want me to
feature Zeke, and we gotta get Tony poll at the ball.
That's what we're gonna do, and and he would be
wise to do so. I just wonder is that is
that a good enough excuse for a coach? A good
enough reason? I mean, listen, if Bill Parcels finds himself
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having the same conversations about Jerry Jones, then anybody else
can get away with the credibility of it is established
because to make Bill Parcels feel that way, like, oh hey, listen,
you want me to win, then you let me go
into the grocery store. You let me want you want
me to cook out and get let me get the groceries.
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Like like Bill did not like the way that he
was being micro managed when he was coaching there. So
you're not to assume they're far far lesser personalities in
terms of dominant personalities, alpha male personalities that have come
through those doors, like a Jason Garrett. Maybe Mike McCarthy
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isn't the you know, he's he's he's kind of got
a strong personality, but he doesn't come across as like
an alpha male type of guy that's gonna be like, hey, Jerry,
like relaxed, I got this type of guy. So, I mean,
I just wonder is that is do I mean, is
it really Jerry Jones holding its team back? Well, by
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the way the Bill Parcels stuff to you, remember, Jerry
Jones never really got heat for that relationship falling apart
because everyone just assumed, oh, it's Bill Parcels. He goes
somewhere and that he leaves like he did with the
Giants and like he did with the Patriots. So this
is clearly a Bill Parcels issue. And now you look
back on it and you go, no, man, he was
trying to let everybody know, just like Jimmy Johnson was
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years ago, there's there's there's not this cohesion that you
have from owner to coach. For some reason, Jerry Jones
butts heads with these guys all the time. She like
that just seems to be what he's all about. By
the way, Lead the Lab does have some important information
falls this is this is really really huge when it
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comes to prepared for drops two season for the Dallas Cowboys.
So what have you uncovered doing your copious research here?
It was almost twenty years ago today speaking at an
annual press conference that Jones had that that glory hole quick,
I think it was it was ten years ten years ago.
It was ten years ago. Um wait wait wait wait
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years ago. And that's a big difference. Differ didn't leave alone.
A lot happened between two thousand and two and to
ut sorry, I was rushing to my seat here. Okay,
made some glorio. So what's the context of it? Why
why did he say this? He was talking about the
(27:32):
glory hole days of the Super Bowl winning Cowboys when
talking about Tony Romo and Jason Witten, trying to get
them some glory hole. Yeah, so he did Jerry Jones
did he was he meaning to say glory days and
he uh, he slipped up and said glory whole days.
And I just continued to roll through with it and
(27:53):
pretend like that's what he meant. Okay, I won't make
some glorial I mean gab on Mexico. Yeah, the glory hole.
By the way, do you see Jerry Jones a training
camp yesterday was autographing a baby somebody on the forehead.
I don't even I don't even know where he was.
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It was a little uncomfortable, but probably has already happened,
So I'm sure he's okay. The face of big new kickoff.
Everybody there he is where He's just a class act
through and through, uh his falls Saturdays on this fall
you can see him prime time coming to a packed
(28:37):
house near you. How do you put that on me?
By the way, do you know, are you guys going
to be going on the road every single week? You know,
be doing some studio shows. Do you know your your schedule?
What's the plan there every single week? I can't. I
can't give you our exact destinations. Yet I was able
to get a snake peek of the presentation so I
know what will be, but every single week will be
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on the road. So that's pretty exciting time. Yeah, pretty exciting,
man brand, And we kick off with with Big Brothers,
Penn State, Nitney Lyons Thursday Night. Baby, they're gonna throw
hot dogs with coins in them, like you talked to.
I hope they still don't throw them at me. I mean,
we beat the ever living crap out of them last
time I was there, so I don't I don't think
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they're gonna throw Well, they might, I don't know. It's
a nasty those engineering students there nasty, Yeah, nasty. Drone
boom that's that huge drum and they've got this is
actually low key. And I don't know if LeVar you
played there right? Yes? Do you remember they have the
worst visitors locker room in the entire Big tent. I
(29:42):
do remember it. It's tiny. It is tiny for a
reason too, but it's the worst of any any that
you'll you'll find in the Big Tent. H Well, I listen,
at least you want to have to stay there. You'll
be there, uh and for everybody to watch and view,
and we gotta get like, do we need some people
to stand behind you? Is going to have like a
pat crowd behind you that would get on camera. Like,
(30:03):
I wonder if we could get somebody to to put
up signs that are references to this show on Big
New Kickoff. I bet we could. I bet we could.
We should pay Lee to fly out just to have
lego like, not for any of the reason that just
to hold a sign. You imagine Brady's talking on Big
New Kickoff and some some a holes holding up a
sign that says, what about me? Pac Man? Literally, I
(30:30):
might make signs and give them the people, just the crowd,
just two p O j Yeah, that would be fun.
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It's been too long, Jp, what's happening. I'm doing great, guys.
(31:37):
This is basically Christmas Day for me. Okay, we've got
to trade deadline m Eastern times today. We've got all
kinds of action around me. Three baseball one, soda was
on the block. I've already had my first cup of coffee.
I'm feeling great, all right. So what is the latest
on Juan Soto? How likely is a deal that a
deal gets done today? And who are the most likely candidates? Sure?
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I do think we're still at about a seventy chance
of a trade, which is remarkable when you consider one
of the very best players we have seen in the
game in years. And my favorite stat I want Soto
is that he is so young and so great that
twelve players in the Futures Game are older than him. Okay,
so twelve players in the All Star Futures Game, the
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stars up tomorrow, are older than twenty three year old
Juan Soto, And so that's why teams like the Podres,
the Dodgers, the Cardinals are all involved heavily. I do
believe those are the three teams right now that I've
heard different ideas. Maybe the Jay's had asked, maybe the
Giants that Ben involved, But I really think right now
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the show is among the Dodgers, um and the Padres
and the Cardinals. The Dodgers still, while maybe we haven't
talked about them as much as the Padres and Cardinals
in connection with Soto, remember this, the Dodgers have the
best farm system in the game, and if they really
really want him, they'll get him. JP. I want to
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ask you about show, hey, Osani, because I know the
Angels have reportedly listened to offers for him, and any
chance he gets moved before the Deadliners, this something may
before the off season. Britty, It's a great question. I
think it's more of the off season because the Angels
did listen on him, and they did, and that I
think was more driven by the front office as opposed
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to ownership. Ownership, from what I can gather, is and
has been very opposed to the idea of trading arguably
the most marketable player in the sport. I think for them,
they look at Otani and see so much of their
their marketing, their advertising, sponsorships. He is a global sports icon,
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and in that vein, it is really hard to trade
him um, even though there's only a year and a
half left on his deal, even though there's been no
evident progress on a contract extension. He's too important to
what they do as an organization, and so as a result,
I think they will keep them at least through the year.
Maybe that we visited during the off season, but I
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think Brady, this is not the last that we're hearing
of a showy Otani trade possibility, because I think candidly,
he's got to be frustrated with the direction of the team.
They were supposed to compete. They had a good first
six weeks of the season and then they collapsed. And
so from my perspective, the Angels have a lot of
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work to do to convince Otani um that that that's
the right place to be long term, and I frankly
don't think they're going to be able to do that.
The buddy, I'm I'm blanking on his name right now,
JP that turned down the big, big, major contract in Washington. Yeah, Okay,
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So We're okay, you do. We just talked about. I'm
just I'm curious for for his good as as the
Gnats have been for as long as they were so
good for and we see this happened so many times,
a franchise organization could actually fall so far in terms
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of how competitive they are that players would actually turned
down that amount of money. Can you talk to me
a little bit because I don't I don't see that
type of fall take place. And and like say in football, right,
like if an organization is generally good, then they're generally good.
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They might have down years like we're seeing the Giants,
they're having a downtime, but I don't know that they
will stay there because you look at how well there
ran and the people who are you know, owning the
franchise itself. How does that work in baseball? How do
how do they go from being such a a model
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a model franchise to where they're to the point now
where a guy like Soto doesn't even want to sign
the largest contract ever in the history of the game. No,
LaVar is a great question, and a couple of things
with Soto, they the Nationals have made him this incredible offer. Uh,
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and I don't think they're really going to go any
higher than that. Soto, to me, has a great amount
of interest in just being able to hit free agency
and make a record sum of money there and set
the new market. Remember his agent, as Scott Boris at
Boris always loves taking superstar clients to market because it
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sort of brings up the overall price points for the
whole sport. And I think Scott looks at this and
and I'm sure he's advised one about just how young
he is and how talented he is, and that when
he gets on the open market and is available to
be bid on by all thirty teams, he's going to
be able to hit numbers and in levels that we
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have never seen before in the sport. And so I
think that that idea is really appealing, certainly to his agent,
but also to Juan Soto himself. I also think from
the National's perspective, why they're more comfortable with the notion
of trading him, at least relative to let's say, the
Angels with Otani, is that they've already won the World
Series with him. They did that three years ago, and
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so they've already checked that box. They've already entered a rebuild.
They've traded Serzer, They've traded Trade Turner, They've clearly turned
the page. And I think with Mike Rizzo as the GM,
he has that cash a and and sort of the
gravitas in the industry where he's been able to make
trade like this before and build it back up. So
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that's a normal part of his roster management. The other
part is the team's up for sale, and I'm a
firm believer that the the the acquiring new owners do
not want to have this big, grandiose press conference and
then the next day say, oh, by the way, my
first move as owner is going to be the trade
Juan Soto, so that I think they want to avoid that,
and I'm sure that there's some level of communication with
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the prospective ownership groups. Many of them would probably said, yeah,
we love for you to take the pr hit on
this before we buy the team. John Palmerossi joining us
here on Fox Sports Radio or MLB Insider. You can
also see him on MLB Network. Get him on Twitter
at John Morrosi JP. Why did the Brewers trade Josh
Hayter If they're sitting in first place in the Central
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you know, that's an only great question because you look
at jonas the way that Major League Baseball works, and
then this is the reality um of a non cap sport.
And I think took to LaVar's point that was maybe
the one other thing I didn't mention about the Soto
uh equation is there's no cap and baseball and so
there is that there is that temptation on the on
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the part of the superstar players to to set these
new levels and unchartered waters because we have no upper
boundary in this sport as to what the top is.
We don't know what that number is because it doesn't exist.
And I think on the on the same token, the
Brewers are one of the two smallest markets in the sport.
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I think it's Milwaukee Cincinnati in some order our twenty
nine and thirty, and so they have to, unfortunately for them,
sort of operate on a different script than a lot
of the rest of the league because, as David Stern
said in his press release yesterday at the GM of
the part of the Brewers that they have to make
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moves that constantly replenished their supply of young players. That way,
they don't have this boom and bust cycle where they
have to have these dramatic rebuild They want to be
sustainable and that often involves, unfortunately for fans in Milwaukee
and Cleveland, which has done is before, sort of peeling
off key players at different times and just trading them
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for a set of players at a little bit younger,
a little bit less expensive. And that's the way that
they have a sustainable path. It doesn't I know, it
doesn't sound great, and that sort of just sounds like
a little bit of corporate speak, but that's just the
reality of how they have to operate. There's only a
handful of teams really that that do it like this frequently.
Even Cleveland in years gone by, they've they've still made
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the playoffs, even years in which they've created Mike Clevinger
made moves like that, they traded Corey Klubourn still had
a really good season. That that's kind of the way
that the handful of these teams work. David Serves is
one of the best GM's in the game. And while
Brewer fans may be upset today, when I looked at
that deal yesterday, I felt like they made a pretty
good trade that will allow them to to likely still
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make the playoffs this year and hopefully, from their standpoint,
avoid a real sharp downturn afterwards. JP last one for me.
But you know, one of the teams that probably falls
outside of that group of teams just talking about that
how they go about managing, Uh their roster is the
New York Yankees and Joey Gallo just it doesn't seem
like it's worked out there since you got acquired last
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trade deadline. Is he potential to be to be moved
on from since he's what a free agent? I believe
after this season, Yes, Braddy, I think he will be
traded today. Uh, that you're right. And it just has
not worked out with Gallo and the Yankees. I think
he's put a lot of pressure on himself. Um, and
it just hasn't worked. And you could tell his teammates
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really have have been there to support him and and
try to give him through this tough time. Because you're
there in New York and you just feeling the pressure
of the world, you're not having success. You're hearing Booze
and his teammates Anthony rizz and others have been really
really supportive of him and and this the struggles have
continued for Joey Gallo, I think a change of scenery
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will will be really good for him, just a bit
of a reboot, refresh, and hopefully is that bats started
to look a lot more like they did in Texas.
I mean that there was certainly a chance at that
point in time that he could have signed a long
term extension. Then when you don't and you get traded
and you struggle, I think sometimes and it's only natural
you kind of started to see dollar signs and wonder
on my ash, but I turned down on what was
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I thinking? And I think that's kind of where he's
spiraled a bit. So, UM, I know he's a he's
a really well liked guy in that clubhouse in New York.
And I think that when he's traded, probably today, UM,
I think a lot of his teammates will offer some
really kind words and just hope that he has a
better future somewhere else. And I think that that's you'll
see that from his teammates. They really do like him
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a lot. He's just struggled mightily and and he's I
think a classic change scenery case. And and the positive
side is other teams like them that they're willing to
buy low and give him an opportunity. So I would
say that the stay tuned today because I think a
Joey gallow trade is one of many things that we'll
be watching here coming up. John Palmerosy, we know you
gotta go. You got TV to do. It's a busy
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day for you. You can follow him on Twitter at
John Rossi. He's got wall to wall coverage of the
trade deadline and all the moves that we can expect.
J p Less do it again soon. J Yeah, I'm
gonna call back at some point. I'm gonna I want
to have all my questions answered about about the Notre
Dame Ohio State game. That's that's like on as soon
as I get through this day, I'm gonna focus on
that game. Okay, big time, big time and and and
(43:07):
I'm the guy to go to for all that stuff,
So you can just direct. I'll take care of that
all the best. That the conversation, Fox Sports Radio, MLB
Insider also MLB Network, and it's gonna be a fun
time there. So I feel like, uh, I mean, I
feel like my questions were the best, but you know,
getting not here to uh you know, certainly we're average one.
(43:32):
We ended up. We ended up time and it's hying
in the game. So yeah, which is funny because we
haven't done that game in a while. But as soon
as we started, uh, as soon as we started asking questions,
it came right back. I wish people do. I wish
I could have redeemed talked about this before I had
a goat one. I had a goat one in the change.
(43:53):
We just be honest with everybody here. We're like a
bunch of twelve year old okay, who compete this? We
we try to compete for good or great question from JP,
because usually he'll start off by say, hey, great question,
good question. So we we keep track, we keep points
of that. And Jonas got an over uh like I
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did on my second I thought the gallow it was
a good question. But if you're if you're really paying
close attention, you can actually hear Jonas is sound effects
of disappointment. You can hear that. You can hear I forgot,
I forgot the term my my mic off. Actually when
(44:36):
he hit you with great question, you are boom boom,
Yeah you kind of you pushed I could tell you
from bad Yeah. Well the other thing was I think
Jonas thought we worked at an acknowledge at LaVar and
then it's as soon as he got nothing after the
first question. I was like, here's the problem. It's not
just that Brady wants to point it out. He wants
to point it out multiple different ways. So we have
(44:58):
a group chain. He's got to text it on and
then he's got to do it individual to me, just
in case I didn't see on the group chain him
rubbing it in that he got a great question. Then
he's got to send it to me directly. Like that's
how this works. I make sure Jonas knows that he
did get Eddie points that first question. It's cruel, it's
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