August 18, 2022 • 43 mins
On 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn, and Jonas Knox, discuss the chaos in the CFB world after the CFP Board of Managers met spoke about a possible restructuring of how the sport’s governed. Senior NFL reporter Albert Breer joins the show to shed some light on the latest with Deshaun Watson. Plus, the NFL’s forgotten LA team (Chargers) and the historic payday they gave Derwin James adds some pressure.
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Never ready to go bad? We got more football. More
football is always good for marriage. Yeah, yeah, that's a
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good point. Hey, little Brian Finley for you early in
the morning or anybody, um you guys, uh, you guys
ready for some new college football, potentially some new changes
in the world of college football. I mean, keep the
party going, is what you mean? Yeah, I mean the
Apparently the College Football Playoffs Board of Managers spoke briefly
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on a zoom call on Monday about the possibility of restructuring.
How the sport is governed potentially outside the n c
a A and potentially underneath the umbrella of the college
football playoffs. So uh, that could mean that maybe they're
starting to distance, yeah, starting to distance themselves and say
we got enough power here that this could be a
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major change there for the entire sport. So this is
this is a little bit of a big deal here
for college football. There was a five minute conversation. Let's
not overblow what this beginning could be. Was the mention
in the beginning of what probably should take place. That's
the reality of where we're at. You know, they need
to find a way of providing some sort of governance
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and guidance for college football. And I don't mean to
single out college football, but the truth is, and sometimes
it hurts, it's the only true like revenue generating sport
in college schools. But people are going to contend basketball.
I'm sorry, folks, it's football. It is football. That that
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that's that's mommy and dad are paying for them. That's true.
Are so. So the reality is with as fast as
things are moving with n I L, the transfer portal,
these TV rights deals, in the amount of money that's
becoming involved, they need to find someone other than the
n c A to provide a roadmap. None of the
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rules that the n c A has has put out
there are being enforced, especially in regards to name, image
and likeness, and there's not They're even lobbying the federal
government to create any sort of federal law that would
trump the state laws and and help us at least
provide some guidance there. So we're in a we're in
a you know, a kind of a tough spot in
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college football because we're waiting for someone to come save
the day, and I don't think anyone's going to. I
think it's going to take a group of presidents, chancellors. Obviously,
Father Jenkins said University Notre Dames are part of that.
It's gonna take that whole group to come together and
start to provide a path forward for how football is
going to operate, probably by the College Football Playoff, how
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it's going to operate and and and work moving forward
so that it makes sense for the student athletes. If
we're gonna even call that in the future, like we
might start have to soften up to the idea that yeah,
they'll be getting their degree from the university but these
are most likely gonna be viewed as employees. Yeah, and
they have to be at this point, there's no you
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cannot continue forward and and say that it's amateur, it's
amateur status. It's at best, it's it's the minor league, right,
it's the farm league. And that's what that's what n
c a A Football has been for the National Football
League for son years. People always as well, you think
that these other you know, other leagues that that come
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about don't ever work. And I always say it's simple
because the NFL has the best feeder system in the
history of best feeder systems. It's it's it's I mean,
for what it's worth, it's free labor to develop your workforce.
And that's in CIA football. So now that you have
this whole n I L set up and and and
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clearly money is being being used as as a delivery
tool for these these players that are now coming out
of of high school or are already in in college.
Because now you're not only this this this whole approach
is not only getting guys to go to the schools
out of high school, but now you're recruiting other schools.
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You're luring guys away from one school to another school
in college through what's taking place now that's it's not
even that way in the pros, right, So you're talking
about an evolution and a development that has gone beyond
the parameters in the realm, maybe even what professional athletics
and how they're governed. So they're going to have to
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acknowledge that it's not amateur status and you're going to
have to figure out a way to make the playing
field somewhat even because I don't know how if you
thought that it was a boasting of riches before and
it was under the table, it was unspoken of, it
was it was taboo. It was always you know, we
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look at what happened with the Reggie Bushes of the world,
these things, you know, where people have benefited off of
their kid or the kid have benefited directly. I mean
that conversation is now a conversation that's on the table
where you're saying, hey, we can we can allot this
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amount of money to be able to pay for for
players to be able to do this, And that's going
to be the approach to how you go after recruits.
Now it's gonna be it's gonna be buying players, so
you might as well embrace it and figure out what's
the best pathway forward in terms of how you acknowledge
what it is, how you acknowledge what the players are
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and what the players represent, if you want this to
work out in favor of not only the universities, but
for me and my my assessment of it. More importantly,
the guys that are going into these scenarios, you know,
because it's a bit it's it's a bit confusing for them,
I'm sure it is. And there and their parents, the
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people who are who are making decisions, or or that
uncle that showed up six months ago that you didn't
know and now he's a part of your life right now.
He's like, hey, wait a second, I knew you. I
remember when you were born. I was there for about
five minutes and now uh um. You know. There are
some considerations though, when you think about this, and this
is where the path gets harden. There's there's Title nine,
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which is federal law, and and that's where you know,
as you know, the the presence or chancellors and and
this group moves forward, they have to be cognizant of
how this is going to impact the bottom line of
all these universities and what happens to those sports because
you know, with Title nine, you've gotta have every you know,
scholarship for a female the same as a male, and
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you're taking away eighty five of them now and and
so what does that mean for women's sports in college sports?
You know, that's gonna be discussion that's gonna have to
be figured out. Um, how are you funding them? Are
you using some of the revenue that the football team
generates to help still fund those sports like they do
right now? Or do you have to go to a
completely separate model where it's gonna take you know, private
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donors and alumni to help fund those sports in order
to support them and sustain them. So it's hard to
get a sense for when this will take place. I
think we're years removed from it happening, uh, in part
because it's it's federal law, and that's that's not necessarily
something that's easy to get around. But that is one
consideration in all of this is, you know, what happens
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to everyone else? You know, we we tend to only
be CanCERN with college football right now, because that's the
thing that's really garnishing headlines. But there's a lot of
other sports out there that are gonna be impacted by this,
and and the opportunity for those you know, young people
might not exist. You know, we don't know how this
is going to play out. So that's that's some of
the I guess concerning parts if you're not a college
football fan or a football fan in general, is we
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don't know where this is heading for everyone else that's
gonna be involved. One of the things that was also
discussed on that call on Monday was the next playoff
expansion and what it could look like and the current
deal ends after and the reason they're more you know,
apt to to accept the twelve team college football playoff
and this is becoming more and more of a conversation
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without as many hurdles in the way is because there's
a feeling that they've left as much as a half
billion dollars on the table with with just where the
college football playoff is at and how many more teams
could have been included this entire time. Remember a few
remember a few years ago when they said that football,
the health of football in the future for balls in
jeopardy because of safety and all this stuff. This is
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the second most popular sport in in in the country.
It's completely destroyed the NBA as far as interest and
conversation and all that half a billion dollars on the
table just to expand their playoffs. That seems like a
healthy sport to me. The one thing I wonder and
obviously we're getting these these grant of rights now, and
I think I guess as as I'm saying this, I'm
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kind of thinking through you know, how it will be
impacted is the regular season. College football has so often
times been about the regular season because it's been a
regional sport and so it's been about rivalries, right and
and not even necessarily the ones that we've come to
know nationally. Um, And it could be like to me
for a while in the big tenn East Penn State
in ohiw State, it's it's kind of a rivalry like
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that was the only team that was really challenging them,
that could beat them for a while, especially when when
Urban Meyer was there, and I remember thinking like, yeah,
it's not it's not a Highes State Mischian, but like
that's the game I'm looking at, going Okay, like, how's
this game gonna play out, because that's the only team
that can stand toe to toe in the Big Ten
East and take them on. And so you know, if
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if you're saying basically, hey, we're gonna expand the playoff,
there's always a concern and there's always a thought that
then it's gonna take away from the regular season and
those games aren't gonna meet as much or matter as much.
I guess I'll just argue the fact that like playing
for Cleveland, it it never made any difference, all right,
when we were playing the Pittsburgh Steelers, it never made
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any difference. Like thinking about, oh, the playoffs, now we
have seven, seven teams get to go each year. You know,
we expanded the NFL playoffs. I don't think that hurt
the NFL playoffs and I I don't think that hurt the
regular season. And we've expanded the regular season at the
same time of expanding the playoffs. So I know there's
a lot of traditionalists who hate expansion and they don't
like the direction this is going. I would argue the opposite, Like,
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you have thirty two teams in the NFL, we get
seven on your side. Now four team that go. In
college football, you have a hundred and thirty in FBS,
and you're talking about twelve teams going like it's gonna
take away from it, Like I am all for a
tougher path for the Alabama's of the world, or the
Ohio States of the world, or Georgia or whoever else
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you have thrown into the conversation. I'm all for one
of the little guys that David of Goliath getting a
shot to see if they can knock them off on
the way to a national championship. And I know there's
also the people out there who go, well, then you're
not really crowning the actual national champion because you're, you know,
in a sudden death scenario, you're only giving them one shot.
And people talk about that all the time with with
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you know, March madness that it's to me, it's so
hard for a one seed to work its way through
the bracket and eventually win at all, even if they
were the best team during the course of the regular
season and conference championship. It's just hard to do. But
that's still what makes it fun. It's what's what's it's
what's gonna at least make that league healthy from a
revenue standpoint, But again, this is all still years years away,
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but it's good they're at least thinking in this direction now.
And by the way, one of the other things that
would side in favor of expansion and not ruining the
regular season, which is the fear of a lot of people.
There's no reward for not making the college football playoffs.
So in the NFL, if you're if you're a seventh
seed and you're like, well, we don't really have a shot, well,
at least we have a better draft position. There's no
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draft position. So if you're a college football team, you
want to be in the college football playoff and to
see how many more teams are going to be in
the running and some of those games late in the
season that are going to determine whether or not you
have a shot in a one off scenario in a
college football playoff to try and maybe win a national
championship or make a run. Who the hell wouldn't want that, Well,
that's what's gonna make the recruiting stuff that LaVar mentioned,
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like how you're basically it's it's a bidding war. Now,
that's what's gonna make it really fascinating, because we're moving
to more of a pro model. But we don't have
that same type of um, you know, training and development
to the NFL like we do from high school to
college football. And so you know, now, how do you career?
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Because the NFL creates parity in that way. They sit
there and say, hey, you didn't make the playoffs, okay,
and you're the worst team in the league. We're gonna
give you the number one overall pick. We're We're not
We're not gonna leave it up to a lottery. We're
gonna give it to you because we would love for
everyone to be at the end of the regular season
now eight and eight, right and playing for potentially the playoffs.
Like that's what they would love. College football doesn't love that.
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They don't thrive on that. They thrive on rival these robberies.
They thrive on good versus evil. They thrive on the upsets,
they thrive on all that and and and look there's
an element of well, yeah, then you get the same
teams in there every year. Yeah, but you still are
getting to people who are watching. I mean, Alabama has
never been more dominant than they are right now. Even
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though they didn't win last year, they're still playing for
and I will I'll put my reputational line Ohio State
in Alabama will probably be playing for at the end
of the year this year. But the reality is that's
the own concerning part that LaVar mentioned is talking about
how do you go about then hand ling if these
guys do end up becoming employees, if there ends up
being a separate college football playoff governing body over top
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of of football in college how do you then go
about handling the recruiting aspects of it. Do you create
a cap for expenditures? They're still gonna be stuff under
the table? How do you go about governing that? I mean,
it is a really really hard thing, uh to be
able to keep tabs on and and and force and regulate.
And that's that's what makes this whole thing kind of
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body and difficult moving forward. You're going to have to
I know we're here to break. But one thing to
pay attention to, just piggyback and off of that super quickly,
is how do they do that? Well, you start highering
quality control coaches or different different names and labels, two
coaches that are actually historically recruiters. No, no, no no, I'm
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not saying from the university standpoint I'm saying, how does
the government body do it? Because some sort of weight
and balance with all of it, right, Like the NFL
didn't have the worry out it because you've got your
drafting system in college football. If you're looking at it
from like a government standpoint, you could have anyone offer
anyone anything. I mean right now, it's probably never been
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more unequal based on state by state, and and how
each of these schools is handling n I L and
how they're actually either a body by or not a
bodying by um. I mean hypothetically I joke about an
uncle coming in someone's life six months ago. In reality
that that's the truth. Like there's some recent news that
may have happened like that recently for you to catch
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my drift. So I'm just saying, like that, that's where
we're going, is how do you go about governing that
because it's it's such a big, massive thing with thousands
of guys being recruited, and how you're gonna cover all
these payments and everything else, and how that would work
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the one and only Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter at
the mm QB always kind enough to join us here
every Thursday on Fox Sports Radio. Albert, what's happening? Howel?
What's up out guys? What's up? By h I was
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just listening to the update. Am I the only one
who takes lebron contract? Might be a bad idea. I mean,
I haven't heard any criticism, and maybe I'm just not
paying attention, but I haven't heard any criticism over the
last only four hours. Like that, like there's gonna be
this huge chunk of salary cap space that's gonna be.
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And I love Lebron. Lebron is one of the five
greatest of all time, But like, does it seem like
a great idea that you're gonna be building a championship
team or trying to build a championship team around like
forty year old I don't know, I mean, especially in
that sport. He's not that old, he's like seven. Well,
now you're projecting Brady because like, come on, man, I mean,
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come on, Albert, I mean I didn't know you're going
straight after King James here. I love Lebron. I love Lebron,
but it's just like, like, I can one is that
Like is this I mean other than like Tom Brady,
has this ever worked out? Like where? I mean, that
sport's different to you know what I mean? Like so,
I don't know. It just seems like like if that's
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if he's like one of like two players you can
pay like that, I couldn't that put you in a
really difficult spot in the next couple of years? Yeah,
I mean, now let me ask you this based on
your your tweet from earlier this week, Um, what don't
be more outraged by Lebron James's new contract, or the
fact that Halloween candy is already on the shelves in
the store. Definitely Halloween candy. I mean it's too much.
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I mean, like it's it's the middle of August. I mean,
I took that picture on August of Keith. We weren't
even halfway through August. I mean, I feel like this
is like, I don't know, like you guys are about
my age, like when we were kids. Like I feel
like there was this faux pap about putting any Christmas
stuff out until after Thanksgiving, and then like some at
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some point people broke the seal on that, and then
all of a sudden you started seeing Christmas stuff and
the stores in like October, and this feels like it's
an extension of that. Am I wrong? Yeah, I mean
it's it does see a bit early, and some of
the candy you featured not the best in the world,
and we were at least you guys know, I mean,
I know you guys are in California and Florida. You
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you guys can remember that smell in the air you
get in the fall, right best. I'm gonna keep it
right there. Memories you should at least had that smell
in the air before the hallow he candy goes up.
I feel like that should be you know what I mean, Pepea.
But do you guys like candy corn? Yeah? I tried
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to ask that, Albert. Are you a big candy corn guy?
I'm not like, I'm actually like, I feel like everybody's
got a strong opinion on that. Like I'm sort of
a different to candy corn. It's okay, I'm not a
huge fan, but I don't hate it. It's like biting
into a candle. It's just weird. You know. I think
texture is weird. I will agree with that. I don't
hate it. Tastes terrible. How would you know what biting
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to a candle's like? Listen, sometimes you get after it
late at night, and you know, I mean from times
you got to find out for yourself. What do you
want me? This is the carrot? Albert, I said this
a few minutes ago. Can't find my ball? Well, I said,
I said this a four minutes ago. Um, are we
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just waiting on a settlement because the NFL really doesn't
want us to spend Watson for a year. It seems
like if they wanted to they could peg Harvey can
rule it, pointed by Roger Goodell, at this point, it's
like they're dragging their feet for what because yeah, they
really could get what they want in this current circumstance.
I think that's just what it is, Brady. It's like,
you know, I think judges never want to rule right like,
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and that's just sort of a principle that a lot
of lawyers work on, and I think, you know, in
these cases that sort of applies, you know, and that
I don't think Sue L. Robinson wanted to have to rule.
And you know, the one thing that we've talked about
the last few weeks that sort of flew under the
radar was like she basically told the side they'd have
five weeks to work at a settlement before she was
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going to rule, you know, and she gave them a
window to talk, and they actually there was movement, you know,
like they the NFL came off of a full year
um Deshaun Watson was willing to accept like a substantial
of expension. Now, they didn't get there, but they made
a lot of progress towards the deal, and I think,
you know, Peter Harvey looked at this and I think,
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you know, anybody who's in that position, like the first
thing that they think is there is there a way
that the sides can work it out on their own.
And you know, for those five weeks, I think the
NFL was made to feel uncomfortable because it seemed pretty
clear to those in the room that Sue Robinson wasn't
going to rule in their favor, and everybody was right
like they wanted a year. She recommended six games. I
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think in this case the thing has been flipped. So
you know, where the NFL was made to feel uncomfortable before,
now I think, you know, the Shaun Watson's camp has
been made to feel uncomfortable where it's, oh, this thing
might not be going our way. We better move off
of our position a little bit. And so I think,
you know, both arbitrators have sort of pushed the side
towards each other a little bit. Um. I don't think
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Peter Harvey wants to rule any more than Sue Robinson
wanted to rule, and so I think what he's doing
right now and dragging his feet is creating a window
for the two sides to try to work out a settlement.
And I think He's only going to rule if he
feels like a settlement can't be reading. And that's fine.
But again the appeal goes to a guy that it
could have been Roger Condell. He decided to have PG Harvey.
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This isn't a court of law really like we're acting.
It's a kangaroo court. They have the power to get
whatever punish them they want. So I keep going back
to the initial thing, like PEG Harvey could say whatever
he wants. But ultimately, if the NFL and Roger Condell's
publicly stated it, he wants a seventeen game suspension, So
why does he just tell it? Because he doesn't want
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to go to federal court. And we've talked a lot
about like the whole idea of striving the needle right like,
and what's the cleanest exit from all of this for everybody?
And you know, I think that that's part of the
reason why Roger passed it off, because how do you
make this look like you've been tough enough on de
Shaun Watson without going to federal court. Is you know,
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if you go to federal court, this is going to
become a season long thing and this is gonna hang
over your season, and it's gonna be the same thing
as um, you know, the way two thousand and fifteen
and sixteen more with the Tom Brady thing going on.
You know, I don't think Roger Goodell wants to go
through that again. I don't think that he wants to
leave to go through that again. I think he'd like
to have closure on this. And I don't think he
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was going to get closure by giving Deshaun Watson a
full year. So how do you look tough on it?
Will you say we wanted a year all along, and
and then you say, well, but you know, we wanted
to find a way to punish him, and and and
and find a way where everyone could move on. And
that's why I think the monetary part of it's really
important to Brady. You know, It's like you look at
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the monetary part of it, like that ten million dollar
number that wasn't pulled out of thin air, like when
the NFL offered that in the previous set of settlement talk.
That was Deshaun Watson's day salary for two thousand and
twenty one. So if you're the league and you don't
want to go to federal court, and you know, the
only way you're gonna avoid going to federal court is
if you if the Shaun Watson can get on the
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field at some point this year, you're not spending them
for the whole year. How can you kind of make
this look like you're being tough enough on him? You
take his money away from and you say, you know what,
that was a suspension. He sat out the whole year.
We took the money back. That's going to be retroactively
teamed the suspension, and now instead of it being a
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twelve games suspensions, a twenty nine games suspension, and then
you can turn around and you can say we were
almost we were just about his tough on Deshaun Watson
as major League Baseball wasn't Trevor Bauer. So that's the
sort of I think math is the whole thing, if
you put it all together. Maybe I just want to
kind of piggyback off of the Deshaunt Watson topic because
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it's relevant obviously to Lamar Jackson and and his contract
negotiations that are taking place. I'm curious, has it has
it gotten out, has the has the market been established?
Obviously everybody's saying their their fall, allowing the Deshaun watson
um model for the contract guarantees. If if this is
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what's holding up the process for Lamar Jackson and and
he's imposed the whole no negotiations once the season gets started.
Is this uh? Is this a matter of leveraging the
fact that I put out there what my number is,
because obviously the team doesn't have to say, Okay, well
Lamar said, don't give him a new deal, So we're
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not going to give him a new deal until the
season is over. They may indeed award him that contract.
Is it a kind of a right now? If it's
not a Deshaunt Watson guaranteed type of contract, then I'm
just willing to wait and and go somewhere else that
that does it, or you guys need to do it well.
I mean, I think if you look at the history
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of this are like I like, you can see Lamar
is you know, acting on principle here, because like almost
every other big quarterback who has proven himself the way
Lamar has has taken the money at the earliest point.
You know, Josh Allen got his after three years, Shaun
Watson got his after three years, Patrick Mahomes got his
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after three years. I mean in most cases recently, you know,
and I think Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert will follow
suit next year. In most most cases, like you look
at like when the guy's got the money and it
was after three years, And why is that, Well, it's
because that is life changing money. It is you'll set
up generations of your family money and it's very very
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hard to turn that down. And a lot of times
guys will give a little to get to that money
as soon as they possibly can. Um Lamar Jackson hasn't
done that. And my understanding it at some point in
one not this year, last year, at some point the
Ravens actually matched the three million dollars per year that
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Josh Allen got the Buffalo. So they were willing to
go that far last year before all these new quarterback
contracts get done got done. What that tells me is
that the Ravens were willing to go to the price
point the average per year that the market dictates. So
they're willing to go into the mid forties with Bobar Jackson. Now,
the question is, like you said, what the structure looks
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like and how principle it is he and can you
do a rolling guarantee structure where you don't have to
put all that money in s throw And to me,
that's the whole thing. Now, It's like, how principles are
you if you mark Jackson about about about the structure
of the guarantees within the contract, And that's where I
think divided and that's where I think they're gonna have
to bridge things over the next few weeks. And it's
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gonna be really interesting to see what happens when we
get to the point when the injury risk becomes real
and week one, because you know, our Jackson has been
pretty healthy until last year. Last year was the first
time that he really went through significant injuries that took
him off the field for you know, a significant period
of time. And so is he willing to stand on
principle and play another year. Every indication to this point
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has been that he'd be willing to do that, that
he'd be one on the plan, franchise tags and everything else.
It'll just be interesting to see what happens when we
get closer to week one one again that injury risk
becomes real and you know, the the idea of getting
the life changing money that was put in front of
the Josh Allen's, the the Shahn Watson's, the Patrick Mahomes
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is in front of them, Albert. The last one for you,
we got less than a minute. Was there on your
training camp tour. Was there a team or a player
that stood out to you that you said, that's somebody
or someone to watch this upcoming season. I'll give you
a couple of teams, and I'll give you um and
I'll give you a player. The Packers are one team
that I think they're better than people think. You know,
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I think everybody's kind of staring at the receiver situation.
It's how they're going to figure it out. I think
Aaron Rodgers is going to be just fine. I think
the defense might be the best defense in the league.
They got seven first round picks starting on that. On
that side of the ball, the running game is really good.
The bottom line is, you know, I think Aaron Rodgers
gonna figure it out with the receivers and they're not
gonna ask as much of him because they're so good
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with their running game in their defense. So that's one.
I think Buffalo is just loaded to the gills. They
had the look of like, you know, like when I
saw the oh seven Patriots in camp. When you saw
the great Seahawks teams in camp, like they have that
like machine like quality to them, where I think Buffalo,
you know, like, and I know I'm not breaking news here,
Buffalo is really good, but they looked like a thirteen fourteen,
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fifteen win team. And then just as far as a
player that I that I looked at and I'm like, wow,
like that guy is about Like everybody's about to know
this guy's name. I would say Michael Parsons just to
play kate you LaVar um, but everybody knows how good
Mica is. Um, So I'm gonna go with Patrick, sir tan,
you know, like just getting up close to him and
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seeing him and watching the way he works, the way
he moves and talking to his coaches about him, like
he kind of looks to me like a guy who
is going to ascend the best corner in the league
and may be a defensive Player of the Year candidate
in the next few years. How about it? There is
Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB. Also
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Radio a l A. Chargers dur When James, the All
Pro safety, gets a four year deal worth north of
seventy six million dollars, making him the highest paid safety
in history. Um, he was one of these Holden's quote unquote,
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and it seemed to be handled a little bit more
smoothly than the one in Chicago did with ro Kuwan
Smith that is still playing out. But nonetheless, uh Derwin
James continues a very successful offseason, especially on defense with
the other editions for the l A Chargers. Look, Derwin
James has an agent to Smith is representing himself, and
now do we know anyone else who doesn't have a
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contracts representing Lamar Jackson. I mean, look, there is something
to be said for having someone else who's constantly working
for you when you're working right, It's hard to negotiate
a contract when you're out there playing, or out there
training or out there you know, sleeping, recovering. If these
agents are in the business and their livelihood is getting
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you the best deal possible, they're up seven until it's done.
I want to say Russell Wilson's first deal that he
saw in the Seattle Seahawks, his agent flew out and
they just he stayed there for like two or three days,
two or three days straight until they iron the whole
thing out. It's just, you know, that's the type of
service they provided. Like I'm not an advocate for agents
or for representation, but I think if you if you've
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taken anything away from this offseason. There's two things that
have stood out. The guys who represent representing themselves havn't
got their deals done in its timely fashion. It's drug
on for a long period of time. And I'm not
saying they're not gonna benefit in the end, but if
they wanted their money or wanted the deal faster, it
would have worked out. Because Eric Burkhardt was adamant and
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public about the negotiations with their's under cardinals, maybe even
some people's minds too soon. And guess what, Calin Murray
got a deal. So that's just the contrast and examples.
The other thing is holdouts. No one's holding out anymore.
They're all holding in and it seems like it's it's
actually been a pretty effective strategy. So um, look, the
truth is Derwin James is that of safety. That should
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reset the market, that should make you know historical contract
for the safety position, because when he's out there and playing,
it's hard to deny that he's not maybe the best
in the game with all the different things he can
do from coverage to run stopping, uh to be able
to match up with other tight ends, running backs, even
wide receivers at times pressure, off the edge, all those things. Um,
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I think the only the only criticism is gonna be
the fact that he has been healthy. Excuse me, uh,
he wasn't overly healthy, but that's the team's risk. Like,
I never really understand where fans or people on the
outside get upset when a team takes a chance on
paying a guy that's had some injury history. It's like,
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it's not your money, what do you care? The teams like,
be happy for the guy just cashed in. Yeah, I
mean one thing, yes, be happy that he cashed in. Two.
An interesting takeaway from this is, um, it's the same
agent and agency represents Deshaun Watson. So they're doing they're
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doing some um ridiculous contracts. So they got they seem
to have the recipe UM for for making this thing
UM pretty big on both sides of the ball. They're
they're they're they're they're creating inflation. So shouts out to
them for for doing a great job for for their clients.
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And I would say three, the biggest question is can
he stay healthy? Um? And when he's healthy, he is
a game changer. I think Two this this Chargers team
is showing that they want to to be a team
that that gets to the next that next place, that
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next level. They haven't been there and quite quite some time.
So to see them, you know, I guess satisfying their
their star players and and leaders on the team. I
think bringing in guys that that they're bringing in and
and the amount of talent that they're boasting on this roster,
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you know, they're trying. They're trying to compete, and and
you gotta think they're in a market where they're you know,
their cohort and just want a super Bowl and they're
on the other side of the division or excuse me,
on the other side of the conferences. But nonetheless, they
brought a super Bowl to the market that the the
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l A Chargers are in. So I think they're showing
at least to their fan base or a competing fan base,
if if you want to call it that. In some cases,
I think they're showing that they want to win and
and and as a fan, you can't be mad at
that when you see the types of players that they
already have on the team, the types of players that
they brought into the team, and what they're doing with
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those players to keep them on the team. For years
to come. So they trade for Khalil Mack, they signed
J C. Jackson, they get this deal done with Derwin James. Uh.
We know what they've got on offense. I mean what,
But the problem is that they're in a division that's
that's a nightmare. And we've talked about it. The team
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that finishes last is going to be a good team
that would probably win some other divisions around the league.
But I just with all that being said, it's such
a stacked conference that look, I don't I don't know
that this this I don't think it puts them ahead
of Buffalo going into the season. I mean, Baltimore if
they get healthy again, who knows what's going to happen there.
You still got the Chiefs who have got all the
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experience and the wide receiver stuff going on there in
Kansas City. We can get to coming up here shortly.
I just I look at the Chargers and I go,
this has always been a team that has been talked about.
This isn't the first year they've gone into a season
with talent. They've always been a team that's had talent,
but it's either been injuries or some issue is popped up.
We haven't seen any of that this offseason. You got
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the quarterback. I just look around the a f C
and I go, if not this year, like when it
when does a windows start to potentially close for the
Chargers and not cashing in on these opportunities before you
get to pay Justin Herbert that monster contract that's coming
up around the corner. That's my big question. It's coming.
It's it's it's just it's just gonna be a matter
of how they go about structuring it, you know. I mean,
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he's one that you know, it's it's a little too
soon right now. You know, both Justin Herbert and Joe
Burrow and are in that category. And I think the
things that makes it hard for both of those franchises
is they don't have the cash. You know. You look
at that move that the Cincinnati Bengals made by finally
naming their stadium, giving naming rights. That is literally their
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preparation for paying Joe Burrow. Like, I'm not like lying
when I say that's you all. That is literally what's happening.
They are taking those naming rights, the cash they're getting
every year from that, and they are immediately putting that
as part of what Joe Burrow is gonna get in
a signing bonus. I mean that that's just that's how
this works. The charges are in a very similar situation. Now.
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The only hard part is is and this is dating
back to you know, the Eli Manning you know draft
with Philip Rivers and all that is, they tend to
have some tough negotiations. This one, you know, it took
a hold in. But recall with Eli Manning him not
agreeing upon terms for you know, well he wouldn't have
That's why he didn't want to go there in the
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first place. But go back to Joey Bosa, you know,
and even in his negotiation for his extension or if
his excuse me, his rookie contract, there's only two things
you're negotiating. It was gonna be the timing of your
bonuses and the offsets. You know, in the event that
you don't end up, you know, working out with that
to him, you get traded somewhere else who's putting the bill.
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And there's the only teams two things you're negotiating. And
he even got in late to camp and had agreed
upon terms. There was also Eric I mean you could
go on down the line like it's been years after
years of them being tough to deal with. So there's
only two things standing in the way of of Herbert
getting that extension. It's it's just gonna be the cash,
and I think it's also you know, gonna be one
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of which you're looking at it a uh, you know,
an organization that's tend to be a little more frugal
with how they've going about it, spending some of that
money or at least in their in their negotiations. Are
you surprised the Chargers are picked um as far as
the odds go on DraftKings, that they're picked to finish
higher than the Denver Broncos in the a f C West.
That no, I mean, I'm just saying, like the non
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playoff team a year ago with Justin Herbert for for
as good as he is, it's a lot of potential.
We know what Russell relationships, I know, but we know
what Russell Wilson is. I'm just doing what he is
as Denver Bronco. Right, Well, that's the question. He's got
his own office. What do you mean, Lady already told
us that is fair, That is a fair evaluation. I
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think you've got two unknowns with the Broncos that you
don't have with the l A Chargers. You have a
new head coach, first time head coach, and Nathaniel Hackett,
and you've got a quarterback. He was like a nine
time pro bowler in Seattle and he's won more games
or in that span than any quarterback I believe in
NFL history and in his tenure so far. But you
don't how thin is gonna just the first year, you know,
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I mean, I know Peyton, you know he kind of
jumped right in there and obviously turned around things or
brought that you know, prolific passing game to Denver. But
you know, you don't know that that's that's that's gonna
be the case. I mean, you're you're assuming that the
Charges are only going up from here if they can
stay healthy and if Justin Herbert continues to do the
things he's done in the past two years. By the way,
I'm all in on Brandon Staley. I love how he's
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doubling down on his stance. I'm going forward on fourth down.
I listen, everybody is pointing at him like they know
more about football than Brandon Staley, and I get it.
Some of the moves you could question a little bit,
but the fact that he's doubling down and just saying
we're gonna do what we do. I'm in all right.
That a little rebellion here in the NFL. It's nothing
wrong with that. Yeah, let me go ahead and throw
this out there too. That's the type of guy that wherever,
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if this doesn't work out, wherever he interviews, at some
point he's gonna be impressive, Like people are gonna be
enamored with how he discusses, how he how he've used things,
his philosophies, and he's gonna get another job. Like I
just the type of guys like that that I think
have a genuine connection with their team, and he does
as well as what everyone else he communicates with the
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way he explains his rationale or thought process. I'm a
huge fan. I think there's a reason why he was
kind of I don't know that he was necessarily a
big name coming into getting this job, but I think
you you listen to him and you kind of see
how they play, and you see how he handles things,
you go, okay, like this this is different, but maybe
it's gonna be more the norm. You know, five years
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from now, where we see a lot more a lot
more teams being more aggressive when they've got a quarterback.
They believe in a defense with all these studs, and
it does feel like the Chargers have they have improved
on sermon the way what's that Sierra so that you
can go to sleep. I just heard the laugh and
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I was like, wait, somebody in somebody's room over showing
what is going on? Very very I thought was another
Michael Douglas movie happen to be? Yeah, we got a deal.
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good point. Hey, little Brian Finley for you early in
the morning or anybody, um you guys, uh, you guys
ready for some new college football, potentially some new changes
in the world of college football. I mean, keep the
party going, is what you mean? Yeah, I mean the
Apparently the College Football Playoffs Board of Managers spoke briefly
(01:07):
on a zoom call on Monday about the possibility of restructuring.
How the sport is governed potentially outside the n c
a A and potentially underneath the umbrella of the college
football playoffs. So uh, that could mean that maybe they're
starting to distance, yeah, starting to distance themselves and say
we got enough power here that this could be a
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major change there for the entire sport. So this is
this is a little bit of a big deal here
for college football. There was a five minute conversation. Let's
not overblow what this beginning could be. Was the mention
in the beginning of what probably should take place. That's
the reality of where we're at. You know, they need
to find a way of providing some sort of governance
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and guidance for college football. And I don't mean to
single out college football, but the truth is, and sometimes
it hurts, it's the only true like revenue generating sport
in college schools. But people are going to contend basketball.
I'm sorry, folks, it's football. It is football. That that
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that's that's mommy and dad are paying for them. That's true.
Are so. So the reality is with as fast as
things are moving with n I L, the transfer portal,
these TV rights deals, in the amount of money that's
becoming involved, they need to find someone other than the
n c A to provide a roadmap. None of the
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rules that the n c A has has put out
there are being enforced, especially in regards to name, image
and likeness, and there's not They're even lobbying the federal
government to create any sort of federal law that would
trump the state laws and and help us at least
provide some guidance there. So we're in a we're in
a you know, a kind of a tough spot in
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college football because we're waiting for someone to come save
the day, and I don't think anyone's going to. I
think it's going to take a group of presidents, chancellors. Obviously,
Father Jenkins said University Notre Dames are part of that.
It's gonna take that whole group to come together and
start to provide a path forward for how football is
going to operate, probably by the College Football Playoff, how
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it's going to operate and and and work moving forward
so that it makes sense for the student athletes. If
we're gonna even call that in the future, like we
might start have to soften up to the idea that yeah,
they'll be getting their degree from the university but these
are most likely gonna be viewed as employees. Yeah, and
they have to be at this point, there's no you
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cannot continue forward and and say that it's amateur, it's
amateur status. It's at best, it's it's the minor league, right,
it's the farm league. And that's what that's what n
c a A Football has been for the National Football
League for son years. People always as well, you think
that these other you know, other leagues that that come
(04:00):
about don't ever work. And I always say it's simple
because the NFL has the best feeder system in the
history of best feeder systems. It's it's it's I mean,
for what it's worth, it's free labor to develop your workforce.
And that's in CIA football. So now that you have
this whole n I L set up and and and
(04:21):
clearly money is being being used as as a delivery
tool for these these players that are now coming out
of of high school or are already in in college.
Because now you're not only this this this whole approach
is not only getting guys to go to the schools
out of high school, but now you're recruiting other schools.
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You're luring guys away from one school to another school
in college through what's taking place now that's it's not
even that way in the pros, right, So you're talking
about an evolution and a development that has gone beyond
the parameters in the realm, maybe even what professional athletics
and how they're governed. So they're going to have to
(05:07):
acknowledge that it's not amateur status and you're going to
have to figure out a way to make the playing
field somewhat even because I don't know how if you
thought that it was a boasting of riches before and
it was under the table, it was unspoken of, it
was it was taboo. It was always you know, we
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look at what happened with the Reggie Bushes of the world,
these things, you know, where people have benefited off of
their kid or the kid have benefited directly. I mean
that conversation is now a conversation that's on the table
where you're saying, hey, we can we can allot this
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amount of money to be able to pay for for
players to be able to do this, And that's going
to be the approach to how you go after recruits.
Now it's gonna be it's gonna be buying players, so
you might as well embrace it and figure out what's
the best pathway forward in terms of how you acknowledge
what it is, how you acknowledge what the players are
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and what the players represent, if you want this to
work out in favor of not only the universities, but
for me and my my assessment of it. More importantly,
the guys that are going into these scenarios, you know,
because it's a bit it's it's a bit confusing for them,
I'm sure it is. And there and their parents, the
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people who are who are making decisions, or or that
uncle that showed up six months ago that you didn't
know and now he's a part of your life right now.
He's like, hey, wait a second, I knew you. I
remember when you were born. I was there for about
five minutes and now uh um. You know. There are
some considerations though, when you think about this, and this
is where the path gets harden. There's there's Title nine,
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which is federal law, and and that's where you know,
as you know, the the presence or chancellors and and
this group moves forward, they have to be cognizant of
how this is going to impact the bottom line of
all these universities and what happens to those sports because
you know, with Title nine, you've gotta have every you know,
scholarship for a female the same as a male, and
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you're taking away eighty five of them now and and
so what does that mean for women's sports in college sports?
You know, that's gonna be discussion that's gonna have to
be figured out. Um, how are you funding them? Are
you using some of the revenue that the football team
generates to help still fund those sports like they do
right now? Or do you have to go to a
completely separate model where it's gonna take you know, private
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donors and alumni to help fund those sports in order
to support them and sustain them. So it's hard to
get a sense for when this will take place. I
think we're years removed from it happening, uh, in part
because it's it's federal law, and that's that's not necessarily
something that's easy to get around. But that is one
consideration in all of this is, you know, what happens
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to everyone else? You know, we we tend to only
be CanCERN with college football right now, because that's the
thing that's really garnishing headlines. But there's a lot of
other sports out there that are gonna be impacted by this,
and and the opportunity for those you know, young people
might not exist. You know, we don't know how this
is going to play out. So that's that's some of
the I guess concerning parts if you're not a college
football fan or a football fan in general, is we
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don't know where this is heading for everyone else that's
gonna be involved. One of the things that was also
discussed on that call on Monday was the next playoff
expansion and what it could look like and the current
deal ends after and the reason they're more you know,
apt to to accept the twelve team college football playoff
and this is becoming more and more of a conversation
(08:41):
without as many hurdles in the way is because there's
a feeling that they've left as much as a half
billion dollars on the table with with just where the
college football playoff is at and how many more teams
could have been included this entire time. Remember a few
remember a few years ago when they said that football,
the health of football in the future for balls in
jeopardy because of safety and all this stuff. This is
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the second most popular sport in in in the country.
It's completely destroyed the NBA as far as interest and
conversation and all that half a billion dollars on the
table just to expand their playoffs. That seems like a
healthy sport to me. The one thing I wonder and
obviously we're getting these these grant of rights now, and
I think I guess as as I'm saying this, I'm
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kind of thinking through you know, how it will be
impacted is the regular season. College football has so often
times been about the regular season because it's been a
regional sport and so it's been about rivalries, right and
and not even necessarily the ones that we've come to
know nationally. Um, And it could be like to me
for a while in the big tenn East Penn State
in ohiw State, it's it's kind of a rivalry like
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that was the only team that was really challenging them,
that could beat them for a while, especially when when
Urban Meyer was there, and I remember thinking like, yeah,
it's not it's not a Highes State Mischian, but like
that's the game I'm looking at, going Okay, like, how's
this game gonna play out, because that's the only team
that can stand toe to toe in the Big Ten
East and take them on. And so you know, if
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if you're saying basically, hey, we're gonna expand the playoff,
there's always a concern and there's always a thought that
then it's gonna take away from the regular season and
those games aren't gonna meet as much or matter as much.
I guess I'll just argue the fact that like playing
for Cleveland, it it never made any difference, all right,
when we were playing the Pittsburgh Steelers, it never made
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any difference. Like thinking about, oh, the playoffs, now we
have seven, seven teams get to go each year. You know,
we expanded the NFL playoffs. I don't think that hurt
the NFL playoffs and I I don't think that hurt the
regular season. And we've expanded the regular season at the
same time of expanding the playoffs. So I know there's
a lot of traditionalists who hate expansion and they don't
like the direction this is going. I would argue the opposite, Like,
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you have thirty two teams in the NFL, we get
seven on your side. Now four team that go. In
college football, you have a hundred and thirty in FBS,
and you're talking about twelve teams going like it's gonna
take away from it, Like I am all for a
tougher path for the Alabama's of the world, or the
Ohio States of the world, or Georgia or whoever else
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you have thrown into the conversation. I'm all for one
of the little guys that David of Goliath getting a
shot to see if they can knock them off on
the way to a national championship. And I know there's
also the people out there who go, well, then you're
not really crowning the actual national champion because you're, you know,
in a sudden death scenario, you're only giving them one shot.
And people talk about that all the time with with
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you know, March madness that it's to me, it's so
hard for a one seed to work its way through
the bracket and eventually win at all, even if they
were the best team during the course of the regular
season and conference championship. It's just hard to do. But
that's still what makes it fun. It's what's what's it's
what's gonna at least make that league healthy from a
revenue standpoint, But again, this is all still years years away,
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but it's good they're at least thinking in this direction now.
And by the way, one of the other things that
would side in favor of expansion and not ruining the
regular season, which is the fear of a lot of people.
There's no reward for not making the college football playoffs.
So in the NFL, if you're if you're a seventh
seed and you're like, well, we don't really have a shot, well,
at least we have a better draft position. There's no
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draft position. So if you're a college football team, you
want to be in the college football playoff and to
see how many more teams are going to be in
the running and some of those games late in the
season that are going to determine whether or not you
have a shot in a one off scenario in a
college football playoff to try and maybe win a national
championship or make a run. Who the hell wouldn't want that, Well,
that's what's gonna make the recruiting stuff that LaVar mentioned,
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like how you're basically it's it's a bidding war. Now,
that's what's gonna make it really fascinating, because we're moving
to more of a pro model. But we don't have
that same type of um, you know, training and development
to the NFL like we do from high school to
college football. And so you know, now, how do you career?
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Because the NFL creates parity in that way. They sit
there and say, hey, you didn't make the playoffs, okay,
and you're the worst team in the league. We're gonna
give you the number one overall pick. We're We're not
We're not gonna leave it up to a lottery. We're
gonna give it to you because we would love for
everyone to be at the end of the regular season
now eight and eight, right and playing for potentially the playoffs.
Like that's what they would love. College football doesn't love that.
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They don't thrive on that. They thrive on rival these robberies.
They thrive on good versus evil. They thrive on the upsets,
they thrive on all that and and and look there's
an element of well, yeah, then you get the same
teams in there every year. Yeah, but you still are
getting to people who are watching. I mean, Alabama has
never been more dominant than they are right now. Even
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though they didn't win last year, they're still playing for
and I will I'll put my reputational line Ohio State
in Alabama will probably be playing for at the end
of the year this year. But the reality is that's
the own concerning part that LaVar mentioned is talking about
how do you go about then hand ling if these
guys do end up becoming employees, if there ends up
being a separate college football playoff governing body over top
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of of football in college how do you then go
about handling the recruiting aspects of it. Do you create
a cap for expenditures? They're still gonna be stuff under
the table? How do you go about governing that? I mean,
it is a really really hard thing, uh to be
able to keep tabs on and and and force and regulate.
And that's that's what makes this whole thing kind of
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body and difficult moving forward. You're going to have to
I know we're here to break. But one thing to
pay attention to, just piggyback and off of that super quickly,
is how do they do that? Well, you start highering
quality control coaches or different different names and labels, two
coaches that are actually historically recruiters. No, no, no no, I'm
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not saying from the university standpoint I'm saying, how does
the government body do it? Because some sort of weight
and balance with all of it, right, Like the NFL
didn't have the worry out it because you've got your
drafting system in college football. If you're looking at it
from like a government standpoint, you could have anyone offer
anyone anything. I mean right now, it's probably never been
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more unequal based on state by state, and and how
each of these schools is handling n I L and
how they're actually either a body by or not a
bodying by um. I mean hypothetically I joke about an
uncle coming in someone's life six months ago. In reality
that that's the truth. Like there's some recent news that
may have happened like that recently for you to catch
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my drift. So I'm just saying, like that, that's where
we're going, is how do you go about governing that
because it's it's such a big, massive thing with thousands
of guys being recruited, and how you're gonna cover all
these payments and everything else, and how that would work
in the in this three theoretical world re creating it's
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the mm QB always kind enough to join us here
every Thursday on Fox Sports Radio. Albert, what's happening? Howel?
What's up out guys? What's up? By h I was
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just listening to the update. Am I the only one
who takes lebron contract? Might be a bad idea. I mean,
I haven't heard any criticism, and maybe I'm just not
paying attention, but I haven't heard any criticism over the
last only four hours. Like that, like there's gonna be
this huge chunk of salary cap space that's gonna be.
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And I love Lebron. Lebron is one of the five
greatest of all time, But like, does it seem like
a great idea that you're gonna be building a championship
team or trying to build a championship team around like
forty year old I don't know, I mean, especially in
that sport. He's not that old, he's like seven. Well,
now you're projecting Brady because like, come on, man, I mean,
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come on, Albert, I mean I didn't know you're going
straight after King James here. I love Lebron. I love Lebron,
but it's just like, like, I can one is that
Like is this I mean other than like Tom Brady,
has this ever worked out? Like where? I mean, that
sport's different to you know what I mean? Like so,
I don't know. It just seems like like if that's
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if he's like one of like two players you can
pay like that, I couldn't that put you in a
really difficult spot in the next couple of years? Yeah,
I mean, now let me ask you this based on
your your tweet from earlier this week, Um, what don't
be more outraged by Lebron James's new contract, or the
fact that Halloween candy is already on the shelves in
the store. Definitely Halloween candy. I mean it's too much.
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I mean, like it's it's the middle of August. I mean,
I took that picture on August of Keith. We weren't
even halfway through August. I mean, I feel like this
is like, I don't know, like you guys are about
my age, like when we were kids. Like I feel
like there was this faux pap about putting any Christmas
stuff out until after Thanksgiving, and then like some at
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some point people broke the seal on that, and then
all of a sudden you started seeing Christmas stuff and
the stores in like October, and this feels like it's
an extension of that. Am I wrong? Yeah, I mean
it's it does see a bit early, and some of
the candy you featured not the best in the world,
and we were at least you guys know, I mean,
I know you guys are in California and Florida. You
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you guys can remember that smell in the air you
get in the fall, right best. I'm gonna keep it
right there. Memories you should at least had that smell
in the air before the hallow he candy goes up.
I feel like that should be you know what I mean, Pepea.
But do you guys like candy corn? Yeah? I tried
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to ask that, Albert. Are you a big candy corn guy?
I'm not like, I'm actually like, I feel like everybody's
got a strong opinion on that. Like I'm sort of
a different to candy corn. It's okay, I'm not a
huge fan, but I don't hate it. It's like biting
into a candle. It's just weird. You know. I think
texture is weird. I will agree with that. I don't
hate it. Tastes terrible. How would you know what biting
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to a candle's like? Listen, sometimes you get after it
late at night, and you know, I mean from times
you got to find out for yourself. What do you
want me? This is the carrot? Albert, I said this
a few minutes ago. Can't find my ball? Well, I said,
I said this a four minutes ago. Um, are we
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just waiting on a settlement because the NFL really doesn't
want us to spend Watson for a year. It seems
like if they wanted to they could peg Harvey can
rule it, pointed by Roger Goodell, at this point, it's
like they're dragging their feet for what because yeah, they
really could get what they want in this current circumstance.
I think that's just what it is, Brady. It's like,
you know, I think judges never want to rule right like,
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and that's just sort of a principle that a lot
of lawyers work on, and I think, you know, in
these cases that sort of applies, you know, and that
I don't think Sue L. Robinson wanted to have to rule.
And you know, the one thing that we've talked about
the last few weeks that sort of flew under the
radar was like she basically told the side they'd have
five weeks to work at a settlement before she was
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going to rule, you know, and she gave them a
window to talk, and they actually there was movement, you know,
like they the NFL came off of a full year
um Deshaun Watson was willing to accept like a substantial
of expension. Now, they didn't get there, but they made
a lot of progress towards the deal, and I think,
you know, Peter Harvey looked at this and I think,
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you know, anybody who's in that position, like the first
thing that they think is there is there a way
that the sides can work it out on their own.
And you know, for those five weeks, I think the
NFL was made to feel uncomfortable because it seemed pretty
clear to those in the room that Sue Robinson wasn't
going to rule in their favor, and everybody was right
like they wanted a year. She recommended six games. I
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think in this case the thing has been flipped. So
you know, where the NFL was made to feel uncomfortable before,
now I think, you know, the Shaun Watson's camp has
been made to feel uncomfortable where it's, oh, this thing
might not be going our way. We better move off
of our position a little bit. And so I think,
you know, both arbitrators have sort of pushed the side
towards each other a little bit. Um. I don't think
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Peter Harvey wants to rule any more than Sue Robinson
wanted to rule, and so I think what he's doing
right now and dragging his feet is creating a window
for the two sides to try to work out a settlement.
And I think He's only going to rule if he
feels like a settlement can't be reading. And that's fine.
But again the appeal goes to a guy that it
could have been Roger Condell. He decided to have PG Harvey.
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This isn't a court of law really like we're acting.
It's a kangaroo court. They have the power to get
whatever punish them they want. So I keep going back
to the initial thing, like PEG Harvey could say whatever
he wants. But ultimately, if the NFL and Roger Condell's
publicly stated it, he wants a seventeen game suspension, So
why does he just tell it? Because he doesn't want
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to go to federal court. And we've talked a lot
about like the whole idea of striving the needle right like,
and what's the cleanest exit from all of this for everybody?
And you know, I think that that's part of the
reason why Roger passed it off, because how do you
make this look like you've been tough enough on de
Shaun Watson without going to federal court. Is you know,
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if you go to federal court, this is going to
become a season long thing and this is gonna hang
over your season, and it's gonna be the same thing
as um, you know, the way two thousand and fifteen
and sixteen more with the Tom Brady thing going on.
You know, I don't think Roger Goodell wants to go
through that again. I don't think that he wants to
leave to go through that again. I think he'd like
to have closure on this. And I don't think he
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was going to get closure by giving Deshaun Watson a
full year. So how do you look tough on it?
Will you say we wanted a year all along, and
and then you say, well, but you know, we wanted
to find a way to punish him, and and and
and find a way where everyone could move on. And
that's why I think the monetary part of it's really
important to Brady. You know, It's like you look at
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the monetary part of it, like that ten million dollar
number that wasn't pulled out of thin air, like when
the NFL offered that in the previous set of settlement talk.
That was Deshaun Watson's day salary for two thousand and
twenty one. So if you're the league and you don't
want to go to federal court, and you know, the
only way you're gonna avoid going to federal court is
if you if the Shaun Watson can get on the
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field at some point this year, you're not spending them
for the whole year. How can you kind of make
this look like you're being tough enough on him? You
take his money away from and you say, you know what,
that was a suspension. He sat out the whole year.
We took the money back. That's going to be retroactively
teamed the suspension, and now instead of it being a
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twelve games suspensions, a twenty nine games suspension, and then
you can turn around and you can say we were
almost we were just about his tough on Deshaun Watson
as major League Baseball wasn't Trevor Bauer. So that's the
sort of I think math is the whole thing, if
you put it all together. Maybe I just want to
kind of piggyback off of the Deshaunt Watson topic because
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it's relevant obviously to Lamar Jackson and and his contract
negotiations that are taking place. I'm curious, has it has
it gotten out, has the has the market been established?
Obviously everybody's saying their their fall, allowing the Deshaun watson
um model for the contract guarantees. If if this is
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what's holding up the process for Lamar Jackson and and
he's imposed the whole no negotiations once the season gets started.
Is this uh? Is this a matter of leveraging the
fact that I put out there what my number is,
because obviously the team doesn't have to say, Okay, well
Lamar said, don't give him a new deal, So we're
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not going to give him a new deal until the
season is over. They may indeed award him that contract.
Is it a kind of a right now? If it's
not a Deshaunt Watson guaranteed type of contract, then I'm
just willing to wait and and go somewhere else that
that does it, or you guys need to do it well.
I mean, I think if you look at the history
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of this are like I like, you can see Lamar
is you know, acting on principle here, because like almost
every other big quarterback who has proven himself the way
Lamar has has taken the money at the earliest point.
You know, Josh Allen got his after three years, Shaun
Watson got his after three years, Patrick Mahomes got his
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after three years. I mean in most cases recently, you know,
and I think Joe Burrow and Justin Herbert will follow
suit next year. In most most cases, like you look
at like when the guy's got the money and it
was after three years, And why is that, Well, it's
because that is life changing money. It is you'll set
up generations of your family money and it's very very
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hard to turn that down. And a lot of times
guys will give a little to get to that money
as soon as they possibly can. Um Lamar Jackson hasn't
done that. And my understanding it at some point in
one not this year, last year, at some point the
Ravens actually matched the three million dollars per year that
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Josh Allen got the Buffalo. So they were willing to
go that far last year before all these new quarterback
contracts get done got done. What that tells me is
that the Ravens were willing to go to the price
point the average per year that the market dictates. So
they're willing to go into the mid forties with Bobar Jackson. Now,
the question is, like you said, what the structure looks
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like and how principle it is he and can you
do a rolling guarantee structure where you don't have to
put all that money in s throw And to me,
that's the whole thing. Now, It's like, how principles are
you if you mark Jackson about about about the structure
of the guarantees within the contract, And that's where I
think divided and that's where I think they're gonna have
to bridge things over the next few weeks. And it's
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gonna be really interesting to see what happens when we
get to the point when the injury risk becomes real
and week one, because you know, our Jackson has been
pretty healthy until last year. Last year was the first
time that he really went through significant injuries that took
him off the field for you know, a significant period
of time. And so is he willing to stand on
principle and play another year. Every indication to this point
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has been that he'd be willing to do that, that
he'd be one on the plan, franchise tags and everything else.
It'll just be interesting to see what happens when we
get closer to week one one again that injury risk
becomes real and you know, the the idea of getting
the life changing money that was put in front of
the Josh Allen's, the the Shahn Watson's, the Patrick Mahomes
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is in front of them, Albert. The last one for you,
we got less than a minute. Was there on your
training camp tour. Was there a team or a player
that stood out to you that you said, that's somebody
or someone to watch this upcoming season. I'll give you
a couple of teams, and I'll give you um and
I'll give you a player. The Packers are one team
that I think they're better than people think. You know,
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I think everybody's kind of staring at the receiver situation.
It's how they're going to figure it out. I think
Aaron Rodgers is going to be just fine. I think
the defense might be the best defense in the league.
They got seven first round picks starting on that. On
that side of the ball, the running game is really good.
The bottom line is, you know, I think Aaron Rodgers
gonna figure it out with the receivers and they're not
gonna ask as much of him because they're so good
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with their running game in their defense. So that's one.
I think Buffalo is just loaded to the gills. They
had the look of like, you know, like when I
saw the oh seven Patriots in camp. When you saw
the great Seahawks teams in camp, like they have that
like machine like quality to them, where I think Buffalo,
you know, like, and I know I'm not breaking news here,
Buffalo is really good, but they looked like a thirteen fourteen,
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fifteen win team. And then just as far as a
player that I that I looked at and I'm like, wow,
like that guy is about Like everybody's about to know
this guy's name. I would say Michael Parsons just to
play kate you LaVar um, but everybody knows how good
Mica is. Um, So I'm gonna go with Patrick, sir tan,
you know, like just getting up close to him and
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seeing him and watching the way he works, the way
he moves and talking to his coaches about him, like
he kind of looks to me like a guy who
is going to ascend the best corner in the league
and may be a defensive Player of the Year candidate
in the next few years. How about it? There is
Albert Breer, senior NFL reporter at the mm QB. Also
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put away your Halloween candy in front of him until
October and else's gonna get piste off, get him on
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am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart
Radio a l A. Chargers dur When James, the All
Pro safety, gets a four year deal worth north of
seventy six million dollars, making him the highest paid safety
in history. Um, he was one of these Holden's quote unquote,
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and it seemed to be handled a little bit more
smoothly than the one in Chicago did with ro Kuwan
Smith that is still playing out. But nonetheless, uh Derwin
James continues a very successful offseason, especially on defense with
the other editions for the l A Chargers. Look, Derwin
James has an agent to Smith is representing himself, and
now do we know anyone else who doesn't have a
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contracts representing Lamar Jackson. I mean, look, there is something
to be said for having someone else who's constantly working
for you when you're working right, It's hard to negotiate
a contract when you're out there playing, or out there
training or out there you know, sleeping, recovering. If these
agents are in the business and their livelihood is getting
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you the best deal possible, they're up seven until it's done.
I want to say Russell Wilson's first deal that he
saw in the Seattle Seahawks, his agent flew out and
they just he stayed there for like two or three days,
two or three days straight until they iron the whole
thing out. It's just, you know, that's the type of
service they provided. Like I'm not an advocate for agents
or for representation, but I think if you if you've
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taken anything away from this offseason. There's two things that
have stood out. The guys who represent representing themselves havn't
got their deals done in its timely fashion. It's drug
on for a long period of time. And I'm not
saying they're not gonna benefit in the end, but if
they wanted their money or wanted the deal faster, it
would have worked out. Because Eric Burkhardt was adamant and
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public about the negotiations with their's under cardinals, maybe even
some people's minds too soon. And guess what, Calin Murray
got a deal. So that's just the contrast and examples.
The other thing is holdouts. No one's holding out anymore.
They're all holding in and it seems like it's it's
actually been a pretty effective strategy. So um, look, the
truth is Derwin James is that of safety. That should
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reset the market, that should make you know historical contract
for the safety position, because when he's out there and playing,
it's hard to deny that he's not maybe the best
in the game with all the different things he can
do from coverage to run stopping, uh to be able
to match up with other tight ends, running backs, even
wide receivers at times pressure, off the edge, all those things. Um,
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I think the only the only criticism is gonna be
the fact that he has been healthy. Excuse me, uh,
he wasn't overly healthy, but that's the team's risk. Like,
I never really understand where fans or people on the
outside get upset when a team takes a chance on
paying a guy that's had some injury history. It's like,
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it's not your money, what do you care? The teams like,
be happy for the guy just cashed in. Yeah, I
mean one thing, yes, be happy that he cashed in. Two.
An interesting takeaway from this is, um, it's the same
agent and agency represents Deshaun Watson. So they're doing they're
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doing some um ridiculous contracts. So they got they seem
to have the recipe UM for for making this thing
UM pretty big on both sides of the ball. They're
they're they're they're they're creating inflation. So shouts out to
them for for doing a great job for for their clients.
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And I would say three, the biggest question is can
he stay healthy? Um? And when he's healthy, he is
a game changer. I think Two this this Chargers team
is showing that they want to to be a team
that that gets to the next that next place, that
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next level. They haven't been there and quite quite some time.
So to see them, you know, I guess satisfying their
their star players and and leaders on the team. I
think bringing in guys that that they're bringing in and
and the amount of talent that they're boasting on this roster,
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you know, they're trying. They're trying to compete, and and
you gotta think they're in a market where they're you know,
their cohort and just want a super Bowl and they're
on the other side of the division or excuse me,
on the other side of the conferences. But nonetheless, they
brought a super Bowl to the market that the the
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l A Chargers are in. So I think they're showing
at least to their fan base or a competing fan base,
if if you want to call it that. In some cases,
I think they're showing that they want to win and
and and as a fan, you can't be mad at
that when you see the types of players that they
already have on the team, the types of players that
they brought into the team, and what they're doing with
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those players to keep them on the team. For years
to come. So they trade for Khalil Mack, they signed
J C. Jackson, they get this deal done with Derwin James. Uh.
We know what they've got on offense. I mean what,
But the problem is that they're in a division that's
that's a nightmare. And we've talked about it. The team
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that finishes last is going to be a good team
that would probably win some other divisions around the league.
But I just with all that being said, it's such
a stacked conference that look, I don't I don't know
that this this I don't think it puts them ahead
of Buffalo going into the season. I mean, Baltimore if
they get healthy again, who knows what's going to happen there.
You still got the Chiefs who have got all the
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experience and the wide receiver stuff going on there in
Kansas City. We can get to coming up here shortly.
I just I look at the Chargers and I go,
this has always been a team that has been talked about.
This isn't the first year they've gone into a season
with talent. They've always been a team that's had talent,
but it's either been injuries or some issue is popped up.
We haven't seen any of that this offseason. You got
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the quarterback. I just look around the a f C
and I go, if not this year, like when it
when does a windows start to potentially close for the
Chargers and not cashing in on these opportunities before you
get to pay Justin Herbert that monster contract that's coming
up around the corner. That's my big question. It's coming.
It's it's it's just it's just gonna be a matter
of how they go about structuring it, you know. I mean,
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he's one that you know, it's it's a little too
soon right now. You know, both Justin Herbert and Joe
Burrow and are in that category. And I think the
things that makes it hard for both of those franchises
is they don't have the cash. You know. You look
at that move that the Cincinnati Bengals made by finally
naming their stadium, giving naming rights. That is literally their
(38:36):
preparation for paying Joe Burrow. Like, I'm not like lying
when I say that's you all. That is literally what's happening.
They are taking those naming rights, the cash they're getting
every year from that, and they are immediately putting that
as part of what Joe Burrow is gonna get in
a signing bonus. I mean that that's just that's how
this works. The charges are in a very similar situation. Now.
(38:56):
The only hard part is is and this is dating
back to you know, the Eli Manning you know draft
with Philip Rivers and all that is, they tend to
have some tough negotiations. This one, you know, it took
a hold in. But recall with Eli Manning him not
agreeing upon terms for you know, well he wouldn't have
That's why he didn't want to go there in the
(39:17):
first place. But go back to Joey Bosa, you know,
and even in his negotiation for his extension or if
his excuse me, his rookie contract, there's only two things
you're negotiating. It was gonna be the timing of your
bonuses and the offsets. You know, in the event that
you don't end up, you know, working out with that
to him, you get traded somewhere else who's putting the bill.
(39:37):
And there's the only teams two things you're negotiating. And
he even got in late to camp and had agreed
upon terms. There was also Eric I mean you could
go on down the line like it's been years after
years of them being tough to deal with. So there's
only two things standing in the way of of Herbert
getting that extension. It's it's just gonna be the cash,
and I think it's also you know, gonna be one
(39:58):
of which you're looking at it a uh, you know,
an organization that's tend to be a little more frugal
with how they've going about it, spending some of that
money or at least in their in their negotiations. Are
you surprised the Chargers are picked um as far as
the odds go on DraftKings, that they're picked to finish
higher than the Denver Broncos in the a f C West.
That no, I mean, I'm just saying, like the non
(40:21):
playoff team a year ago with Justin Herbert for for
as good as he is, it's a lot of potential.
We know what Russell relationships, I know, but we know
what Russell Wilson is. I'm just doing what he is
as Denver Bronco. Right, Well, that's the question. He's got
his own office. What do you mean, Lady already told
us that is fair, That is a fair evaluation. I
(40:41):
think you've got two unknowns with the Broncos that you
don't have with the l A Chargers. You have a
new head coach, first time head coach, and Nathaniel Hackett,
and you've got a quarterback. He was like a nine
time pro bowler in Seattle and he's won more games
or in that span than any quarterback I believe in
NFL history and in his tenure so far. But you
don't how thin is gonna just the first year, you know,
(41:02):
I mean, I know Peyton, you know he kind of
jumped right in there and obviously turned around things or
brought that you know, prolific passing game to Denver. But
you know, you don't know that that's that's that's gonna
be the case. I mean, you're you're assuming that the
Charges are only going up from here if they can
stay healthy and if Justin Herbert continues to do the
things he's done in the past two years. By the way,
I'm all in on Brandon Staley. I love how he's
(41:23):
doubling down on his stance. I'm going forward on fourth down.
I listen, everybody is pointing at him like they know
more about football than Brandon Staley, and I get it.
Some of the moves you could question a little bit,
but the fact that he's doubling down and just saying
we're gonna do what we do. I'm in all right.
That a little rebellion here in the NFL. It's nothing
wrong with that. Yeah, let me go ahead and throw
this out there too. That's the type of guy that wherever,
(41:46):
if this doesn't work out, wherever he interviews, at some
point he's gonna be impressive, Like people are gonna be
enamored with how he discusses, how he how he've used things,
his philosophies, and he's gonna get another job. Like I
just the type of guys like that that I think
have a genuine connection with their team, and he does
as well as what everyone else he communicates with the
(42:07):
way he explains his rationale or thought process. I'm a
huge fan. I think there's a reason why he was
kind of I don't know that he was necessarily a
big name coming into getting this job, but I think
you you listen to him and you kind of see
how they play, and you see how he handles things,
you go, okay, like this this is different, but maybe
it's gonna be more the norm. You know, five years
(42:28):
from now, where we see a lot more a lot
more teams being more aggressive when they've got a quarterback.
They believe in a defense with all these studs, and
it does feel like the Chargers have they have improved
on sermon the way what's that Sierra so that you
can go to sleep. I just heard the laugh and
(42:50):
I was like, wait, somebody in somebody's room over showing
what is going on? Very very I thought was another
Michael Douglas movie happen to be? Yeah, we got a deal.
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