August 25, 2022 • 39 mins
The Patriots make a head scratching move. Why would anyone still believe in Carson Wentz? Expectations for Jameis Winston in New Orleans, Tua in Miami and the Raiders in general touch both sides of the spectrum. Plus, some gambling talk before week zero.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
You're listening to all Good morning everybody. Hope you're enjoying
your Thursday. Here Brian Now and Jeff Schwartz with you.
You know, the Patriots are a smart organization, Bill Belichick,
very smart head coach. I have no idea what's going
on with the play calling situation here. I bring this
up because Patriots quarterback Mac Jones, he was a guest
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on w E I, and their offense is stunk this offseason, right,
It's stunk in training camp, its stunk in the preseason.
So there's a lot of talk about what's going on
here with Matt Patricia, former defensive coordinator. He's calling the
offensive plays. Here's what Mac Jones is talking about their
offensive struggles thus far. We'll get that in a second here. Yeah,
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we're getting to it. But uh yeah, what do you
make of all of this, Jeff Schwartz, Where you've got
a defensive coordinator for six years and Matt Patricia who's
now the offensive play caller. Um, so over of years
Belichick has gotten tired of his top assistance leaving and
then trying to find people to replace him who he
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does not trust, right, and so for so many years,
Josh McDaniels was the obviously the offensive coordinator. He left
to be the head coach of the Raiders, And I
feel like Belichick said, you know what, I'm just not
going to hire someone I don't trust, that I don't
know their offense. He kind of hired Ose and hartbeat right.
I mean, how many how many people sign up to
coach the Patriots? Everyone? Right? And so I'm gonna do
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it myself, Slash, do it with Matt Patricia um and
together we'll we'll do this offense as one. You know,
Belichick is one of the only coaches and everyone kind
of talks about this that knows offense and defense, like
you know, both extreme and extremely high level. Most coaches
know one or the other at the high level. Right.
But that arrogance, though, I think is gonna cost them
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this season because not only that, like their offensive line
coaches Joe Judge Um, so, Joe, Joe your offics a
line coach, Matt Patricia's draff, it's a coordinator, and Belichick
is kind of overseeing the whole thing. And you have
a quarterback who's not dynamic, you have a lack of
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while receiving options that are elite. I just don't see
this being successful for them. All reports from training camp,
especially joint practices like yesterday, are terrible that they're having
a really tough time. They're transitioning, by the way, to
a different style of offense too, from a kind of
a downhill running scheme to more of a zone running
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scheme now, and I just it's gonna backfy. It's not
gonna work, and I think Belichick will regret not hiring
off its coordinator. Yeah, this was Mac Jones. This is
what he's saying about the offensive struggles on w EI.
Failure is putting a label on something that's not the process. So,
like you just said, we're just trying to focus on
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the process and not the result, and failure will be
considered resolve. So we're just trying to work do it all.
And you know, we don't need to overcomplicated football. And
it's a simple game if you if you make it
a simple game. So we're all trying to get there.
It doesn't happen overnight. Okay, going through the process. Here's
go ahead. What are you gonna say, I know, right,
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like if you were killing it would Yeah, we're not
worried about just all this success. We're just worried about
the process right now. Yeah. Yeah. And this was Belichick.
He was on EI talking about all the talk about
the play caller. I'm really not too concerned about that.
There have been many years or we haven't had titles.
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I don't even know what titles we've had or not.
It doesn't really make any difference to me. That's not
the point of it, okay, right right, yeah, like you know,
um really yeah, it's a good point, right. Um. This
to me is like a downsizing radio station. Jeff Schwartz.
I see this in radio all the time, where there
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are stations that they will cut a few jobs and
then whoever's left they just have more jobs to do.
It's like, well, Chris, you're you're gonna be the program
director of the like like the hard rock station as well,
and uh oh, we gotta you know, we gotta a
top forty station. You're gonna be taking over. That is
what doesn't the Patriots feel like that? Where it's I
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don't understand why. Matt Patricia, one of my friends, said
this in the off season. He's a Patriot fan, and
I was like, who's gonna be your offensive coordinator? And
he was like, I think it's gonna be Patricia. I
was like, what, I didn't believe it at the time,
And that's without the title being official. That's essentially what
we have right now. It's crazy to me. Again, it's
I think that's a little bit of arrogance on blichick side,
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but also that he just is, you know, tired of
hiring coaches and having to replace coaches that he does
not personally trust as much because it obviously is hired
would have to be from from very outside. And I
think that, um, that's uh, that's a big part of this.
He going with people that then he trus um and uh,
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that's where we're at with this, Like, I just it
just you know, I I don't think it's gonna work
in that division. Um, and they're gonna struggle this season
and maybe Mack Jones did never reaches potential until they
find themselves a more stable offensive coordinator. Yeah, Belichick had
said he pointed out that Josh McDaniels and Brian Dable
we're on defense and then made their way over to
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the offensive side as play callers. So this has happened before.
But Brian Table did that like it like a lower level. Sure, Yeah,
he wasn't just so Brian, he said, Brian So. Brian
Dable was a defensive assistant for the Patriots UM in
two two one, then became the wide receiver's coach, then
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quarterback coach, then O C O C for a couple
of years the thing, went to Alabama or kind of
relearned everything that was a big step of his and
became back. I mean, so it wasn't like he just
went from defensive assistant to play caller. Yeah. I know,
it's not the same thing at all. He's one of
five Super Bowls in the national and college National Championship. Yeah.
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And and Josh McDaniels, Yeah, he started off as a
defensive assistant way back when in O two oh three.
He was a quarterbacks coach starting in O four, and
then you're working your way up offensive coordinator a couple
of years later. Like, I just it's not the same thing.
So I don't get it. I don't understand why the Patriots,
they're so smart, why they didn't go out and get
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one of the sharper offensive coordinators out there right, Like,
And that's the thing is, that's why Josh McDaniels was
there for so long. Partially he's the coach in waiting.
So if you're the new offensive coordinator, Belichick is not
gonna coach forever, you could be the next guy up
if you have successed. Yeah, so that's a strange situation.
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I mean, I you know, I said I think anyone
would work for Bill. I mean maybe there's maybe not
Maybe people O C saying hey, I don't want to
go here. You know, Bill budgets too restrictive of the offense,
which I don't don't know how true that is. I'm
just kind of throwing out things. Um. But yeah, that's
possible that he tried and and but it seems like
he never even tried. I mean, you interview anybody from
the beginning, he never seemed interested in hiring a new
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offensive coordinator. Um. And now we're stuck with with this,
So we'll see. I'm not the Patriots to me, I
hate fading Bill Belichick, but I just don't see how
this is gonna work. I don't either in a loaded
conference that the a f C is loaded. Man, And
they were ten and seven. That was a good year
all things considered. But I think they're taking a step backward. Man.
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I could see them. I certainly see them missing the playoffs.
I could see them being sub five hundred. Oh totally.
And again this this conference is just so good. That's
that's why. And um you look at you know where
you rank Mac Jones and the A F C. Alone.
I mean he's not, he's not. He's not in the
top seven, right, I mean that's a good question. Who's
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better this year? Is it Tour is it mac Jones?
Obviously their weapons are much different. I mean, to is
set up for better success the offense, the weapons he has,
I mean, there's possibilities that he you know, he throws
you know, um, you know his his what was it
a depth of a past it's like average like six
this year, but he thought for a ton of yards
because of the ability of his wide receivers. So, by
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the way, with everything we just threw out there, what
do you think the chances are that Zack Wilson of
the Jets is better than mac Jones this year? Uh?
I mean he's gotta get healthy first. Yeah, I don't know.
It wasn't high Zach Wilson either coming at so yeah, okay, yeah,
I was just he had he was the best rookie
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quarterback easily last season. So it's not like yeah, no, no, no,
Mack Jones this season the best quarterback in that class
with Trever Lawrence, oh no doubt, no doubt. I'm just
talking about rookie seas. Oh yeah, I I mean Trevor
Lawrence is really good. Again. Doug Peterson does not get
enough credit. I mean he had Carson Wentz, he had
him playing his best season in seventeen. Ever, like, there's
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just still this. I was thinking about this the other
day in a different show. I was doing, Um, so
Carson Wentz hasn't been good since seventeen, right, like the
show that you do know, the Pack twelve. Actually I
think I was doing this on another show, so I
think it was what. It doesn't matter where I was
doing on Jeff Schwartz. I like to work, Um, I
just like to hear myself talk problem. So people still
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so Carson went has had one great season right twenty seventeen.
He's had some good seasons since then, but never not
close to see. Yeah, we still there's still people that talk.
I saw a tweet from Robert Griffin who said, um,
you know, like if if if he if we get
twenty seventeen Wentz. This year, the Commanders are going to
the playoffs. One other quarterback have we talked about like
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that in like fifteen twenty years, Like, I think it's
Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson season. Yeah, but that that was
just two years ago. We're like, hey, maybe if if
everyone returns healthy and Lamar is healthy, he plays better,
Like that feels more of its Hey, maybe Carson Wentz
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can play like he did five years ago. It seems
like very I don't get why there's this, Like I
need to see Carson wants to play well again. Guys.
He's a good quarterback at best, and when he's destructive,
he's very destructive. We saw what happened in the last season. Um,
he can't keep a team. The Colts like went out
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of their way. Frank right went out of his way
to try to get him. They got him, and they're like, yeah,
you gotta go, buddy. After one year. They didn't even
have an option to go to at the time. They
were just like, we just know it's not you and
we don't have an alternative, but we'll figure it out. Look,
I think that when you don't take a responsibility for
your mistakes. Um, you get your mistakes keet compounded and
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people get very tired of listening to you not take responsibility,
which is seems like whenever I hear Carson wants to talk,
it's never about his responsibility, it's about something else. And
I'm okay with people having those beliefs, but like at
some point you have to say, like, yeah, it's my
fault that we lost because I played terribly. You know
what coming up. There's an interesting layer to this how
expectations can impact how we evaluate these guys. But I
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want to throw a comparison out at you, and we'll
do that around the corner. Brian No and Jeff Schwartz
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on Fox Sports Radio. In for the Two Pros and
a Cup of Joe crew Sad News Here Jeff Schwartz,
I uh, I got some popped arts the other day
and I was already. I'm like, all right, let me
eat here when I have a free minute, and I
bit in, expecting a cherry pop tart. It was strawberry,
far worse, far worse, devastating news, though, I don't know
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if I'm gonna be able to how old eating a
pop tart for breakfast? What were you doing? Harry? I'm sorry?
What what's the distinguished thinking man's you know, approach to
breakfast over here? What's the uh, the highly adult way
to go? I don't know what is it? Yeah? I
was gonna order a bagel this morning. Bagel. That's good,
But it was like the up charge for the bagel
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was too expensive for my liking, so I haven't ordered anything.
Really about how expensive was this? It was like four
or five dollars more than it would have been if
I just go pick it up. So I might after
the airport, after this, I might just go pick up
a bagel on the way the airport, send myself to
five dollars. I love that you will draw the line
and be like, no, I'm not doing it hours for
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a big old locks that's a little expensive. Yeah, hey,
I get it, man, So I can just go pick
it up on the way of the airport maybe, but um,
you know, you were just talking about Carson Wentz and
there's something that I have to talk about him, I know.
But you know what's funny is I was reading something
about Jamis Winston. I know you're not high on the
Saints this offseason going into the year, but there was
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something about Jamis Winston that caught my attention because think
about Jamis last season. It was talked about mostly positive
right where he threw fourteen touchdown passes only three interceptions,
looked pretty good before he tore his a c L
And I read this little nugget about Jamis where it
said Jamis Winston averaged only a hundred and sixty seven
passing yards per game, and I started thinking, I'm like,
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you know what, that sounds an awful lot like Carson Wentz.
All I heard last season was Wentz, hey didn't throw
for many yards. It was two hundred and ten yards
roughly per game. But what's interesting is if you take
jamis fourteen touchdown passes, his three interceptions, if you kind
of guesstimate where he would have ended up or at
least what he was on pace for during the season,
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he would have ended up where Wentz did. Went said
twenty seven touchdowns in seven bicks. That's as close to
doubling fourteen and three as you can get. Yet, if
you look at how Jamis Winston was talked about compared
to how Carson Wentz was talked about, it shows you
how expectations factor into evaluations. And we weren't expecting much
of anything from Jami's last season. He exceeded those expectations.
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We're just throwing rose pedals at his feet. Meanwhile, Wentz
actually did more and he got nothing but getting crushed
last It's crazy how it worked out that way. Well,
that's part of it, right, I mean, all our views
on sports are all off, in my opinion, based off
what our perceived expectation is for that person, team player,
like whatever it is. And I'm out high on the
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Saints because I just don't think. I like Jami's story,
like I'm rooting for him, you know, to play well.
I don't ever relroot for players to play pointless, I
bet against him. Um, But you know it's a good story.
I have to tell it in there, right, I do
actually root against players that I bet against them. Sorry everyone,
UM for that I hope. I hope that they hope
that they lose. Don't cover whatever word you want to use. Um.
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So look, I think he's okay, but again, you lost
the Hall of Fame head coach, um who ran the
offense for twenty years, um. And I just don't know
how that doesn't matter this year. I feel like people
are over overlooking that with a quarterback Jamis who And
I think that the touchdown interception ratio thing like, interceptions
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to me, don't bother me that much if they're you know,
Pat ma homes last year through a tony of in receptions,
have them were like tip, like, who cares? Were there?
They were, we know, one half away from going to
Super Bowl. I'm so that doesn't bother but that actually
means you don't take chances. I want to hear Jamisison
through for hundred and Sam says yards of game and
didn't tell for any It means he's just taking the
easy one, which is not good. You need a quarterback
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to push the ball down the field. Also, how much
was Taysom Hill playing those games too? So that might
be a little bit if if Hill was in those
games at all for those Gadget plays, maybe he ate
up some of those passing yards. That's what I'm just
not high on on on you know Jamis as well
in the Saints this year. But you're exactly right. Our
expectations play a big part of it. I'm just I
don't want a high expectations for Wentz, so like nothing then,
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like I just and we choose to root for certain
players to play well, and so it's just odd. It's
odd how it goes around. But um, yeah, I'm on
hand Winston this year. I'm on hand once this year. Yeah. Yeah,
it's it's funny that way. But you know, think about it,
they're drafted very comparably, right, Jamie's number one overall, Wentz
number two overall, And uh, I don't know how it
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changed with Jamis Winston. Something changed where going from Tampa
to New Orleans, the expectations just went down totally. And
now it's whatever he does well, We're like, hey, look
at Jamis is pretty good, right, Like the expectations are
far lower for a former number one overall pick. We're
just happy with what we get when it comes to Jamis.
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It feels that way with like Marcus Marion in Atlanta
to You're like, you know, man, yeah, guy runs around
and makes him makes some plays. It is it is
kind of we do that also to another quarterbacks in
that same bos miss Robinsky. He goes to Buffalo last year,
there will be passes me through last season in the
regular seasons, not many did he throw any eight hole passes.
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But now somehow he goes to Pittsburgh and I was like, yo,
guy can play. Man, just give him a chance. He
was he was he from Buffalo last year. He's done.
He didn't play last year. I didn't know he's gotten better. Yeah,
but he we just pick up the students make things up.
Comes to like, oh he might be better. Sure, But
like so you're running about the changing teams and there's
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like this thing where it's a fresh star. We've seen
like Ryan Tannehill obviously be the opposite direction right, changes
teams and becomes a much better quarterback. You know, Matt Stafford,
I'm not sure that he was many probably any different
than he's been in Detroit, just had a better team
around him. Um, But there's an expert as kind of
a fresh start changes, um how a player and it
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happens at time, time and time, but not often right,
where a fresh start makes the player something totally different.
We we we live, We we love too to hold
up outliers as the norm. You know, Josh Allen got better,
so therefore so and so is gonna get better. Josh
Allen is one of one. I mean, there's almost no
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comparison to his success from a year two to three
in NFL history. Um, but yet you know we're gonna
hold up there's a I forget who I saw, you know,
like someone there was a graphic this preseason of preparing
Josh Allen's first two seasons to someone else's first two
seasons and the other player had had more wins, and
it's like, guys, like it might have even been Daniel Jones,
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like like like just slowed down plays, Okay, because that
that's a rare improvement what Josh Allen did, and where
Ryan Tannehill went from the Dolphins, that that rare to
make that jump and go to a different team and
be much better, right. I mean, it's a good point
with Tannehill, even there aren't a ton of Tannehills to
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go from what he was with Miami. Smith is one
that comes to mind, right from they are they're out there,
but there aren't a ton It's just like you have amnesia.
You saw four years of Mitch Robinsky and I don't
think Matt Naggie used them the right way, but still
it wasn't only Matt Maggie. And it's like people have amnesia.
They're like, hey, new uniform. I don't know, a guy
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looks kind of good. It's like, we saw four years
of this guy. Why would you think he's much better
now we've seen six years of WinCE Now like, yeah,
you know, we've seen Jamis Winson's career, and I get
that there is a And this is what makes the
NFL so fun, in my opinion, is there there is
a um a lot of hope in the NFL. Right
It's it's more than any other sport where even just
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from the team level, where if you're a fan of
an NFL team right now, how many teams think to themselves,
we have a chance. Even the even Browns fans, okay,
thing to themselves. Let's go six and five with Jacoby Brissett,
get Watson back for the final five games. We go
four and one. We're a playoff team like we were
in the playoffs. We're in the dance. We got Watson
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healthy ready. Like this is there's so much hope in
this league, and there's so much hope for players to
improve who they are after three or four years. What
in fact, that's very rare. Teams will tell you by
year three, man, you either know you don't know all around,
not just quarterback, all across the board. By year three,
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if you're not ready to go, you're off your team.
Like I mean, I'm a good example, you're one practice squad.
Year two I played three, started three games. I played
it more, but started three games. Year three, I started
sixteen games. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in the NFL.
Now I've proven I'm capable, I'm able to play. It's
by year three, man, And uh, there's this, there's this
hope that because we like the players and and and
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we I like Jamis Winston. No problem with Jamis Winston,
but like he shown who he is. I don't expect
him to be any different than what I like. Marcus Mariot,
a former Duck. I like him. He pretended to me
one time. I thought it was like the greatest thing ever.
And he's like I met him one time. I said, hey, Marcus,
you know, nice to meet you, Jeff Schwartz. I thank
you for being a great duck. And he's like, oh,
I know who you are, Like you don't, but thank
you for a second. I never met I've never met
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him before. I've never been the same room as him before.
There's like no mention of me in the organ facility,
Like there's nothing that's like he would know who I am.
Like there's no like Jeff Schwartz room, there's no monument
to me, there's no I'm just but like there's no
reason he would know me, Like there's no I had
not been back to Oregon at any of the time
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he was there. There's no reason he would know me.
But he pretended to know me. It was great, Thank
you Marcus. Um. But he is what he is, Like
I'm gonna I root for him. I former duck, as
I mentioned like, but he is what he is, right,
And I think at times we just we hoped that players,
it's not the NBA, We're a player in years seven
can like you know, make that jump as they can
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get more mature and get older, and you know year
when a lot of NBA players kind of make that
that jump right, that's not it's not the NFL. No,
I think there's there's some realistic hope. Like, for instance,
take a guy like to one. Now, this is gonna
sound like Dolphins favoritism, but follow me on this. For
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for two, of going into his third year with a
lot better you know, Tyreek Hill around, that's a big deal.
Like maybe maybe this guy takes a big step forward.
It's possible. But if you see a guy for four
years like Rabinsky or goodness, how many years for Jamis
and Mariota in the same draft. That's a lot of years.
You rarely see the Tannehill turn around. It's just very rare.
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It doesn't happen that often. This is year three for two.
So this is the That's what I'm saying. That's why
I think it's a little more realist, right, this is
the and this is why everyone says like this is
the year, right, we need to see it happen this
season to believe that this is who too was gonna be.
And Josh Allen did it in your three two guys, right, right,
And so that is why year three is that important season.
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And um, that's why I think there's still hope. It
is a Dolphins fan. With the coaching changes, with the
you know, the offense that has we've seen now, I mean,
this offense has elevated bad quarterbacks into being much better
than we think. I mean, think about what Jared Goff
did in Los Angeles, right, thinking about what Jimmy g
has done in Los Angeles, I mean in San Francisco.
Think about even even and Cousins is better than these
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guys will be unfair, But what Cousins might do with
with with Kevin O'Connell now, right, you know what Aaron
Rodgers has done in the last couple of years with
Matt Lawford. This offense has historically taken quarterbacks. And that's
why Rogers is so good in the offense because it's
taking quarterbacks that our average and made him much better.
Now you add Hall of Fame arm into this offense
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and you become Aaron Rodgers, right, two time MVP. Like
that's and so to us should play wellness offense even
if you know, even if Mikeael Daniels, you know it
is not the best play caller, and we don't know
that yet obviously, and there's there's ways to succeed in
this offense. That, so he should play well this season.
If he doesn't, that's the red flag. Oh absolutely, it
is all right. Coming up, we gotta get to It's
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easily one of the most underrated accomplishments last season. But
we hand the baton to our man, Mr Eddie Garcia
to spin us around the sporting landscape. What's going on, Eddie? Well,
we start with news from the NFL, where it's not
good news for the Dallas Cowboys. Is starting left tackle
Tyrant Smith suffered a torn hamstring and practice. The injuries
expected to cost him several months of seasons, an eight
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time Pro Bowler considered one of the top offensive tackles
in the game since Eddie. Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow returned
to full participation in team practices for the first time
since his appendeck to me in July remains we've seen him.
He's gonna play in the Bengals preseason finale Saturday against
the Rams when it rematch of the Super Bowl. He
is expected to play in the joint practices this week
with the Rams. College football pit coach Patton Ardouzy announced
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the former USC quarterback Keaton Stoleves is gonna be the
team's starter. And I'm a little sad that Jonas Stocks
is not here because this story was something that he
would be very excited about and it says a little
bit about Jonas knocks. But did you see that a
former NFL head coach is going to be appearing on
the television show The Amazing Race? Oh? I didn't see this.
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Who is it? That would be former New York Jets
head coach Rex Ryan, who Jonas loves to talk about
because of his uh also like feats is that? Like?
Is that now? That's a great question, Jeff. I don't know,
but I know he does love love talking about Rex
Ryan's That's that's how That's how I tie it together.
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You know what, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not
saying you're right, but I am not saying you're wrong. Now,
now back to Brian No and Jeff Schwartz and the
Fox Sports radio studios. Good stuff, Eddie. I learned something
new every morning, man, I love it. Yeah, I gotta
tell you a quick story, Jeff. This is kind of crazy,
but so in college. Yeah, one of my buddies, Uh,
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he ended up his roommates found that he had a
foot fetish magazine was a true story. What title for
the foot fetsh magazine? I have no idea. I didn't
see it. I don't know. I'm not sure. But but
the funny thing is whenever, like two of my friends,
they lived in the same house and they would butt
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heads all the time, and so any time that they
were butting heads, my one friend would say about the
guy with the foot fetish magazine. He was like, you
suck toes. It's cool. You suck toes. You suck toes.
It's all right, it's fine. And that was the ultimate
trump card. He had nothing to say. It made it
so awkward, yet it was hilarious at the same time.
What do you remember what around the year this was, gosh,
(26:43):
just probably around two thousand, I would say, somewhere around mazine.
I don't know, I have no idea. Yeah, a lot
of questions there. Let me throw this at you with
the Brooklyn Nets. Okay, I want to do an NFL
thing with the Brooklyn Nets. Yeah. So k D is back,
Kevin Durant, he removes the trade request. We're gonna move
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forward here, We're pressing forward. We're gonna go into the season. Yeah,
everything's alright, he tried to acts the head coach acts
the GM. But he's back and we're all lovey dovey now.
And I started to think to myself, Jeff, I'm like,
is there anything close in the NFL to this type
of drama. It might not be the same kind of drama,
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but just anything along the same lines in terms of drama.
You got one? What do you have? I mean it's
Tom Brady and you know whether New England, which is
kind of cordial breaking up or maybe you know, forcing
Bruce arians out. Yeah, that's a good one. That's probably
about it. I mean, um, you know the leisure structure
so differently, right, you have a players league in the
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NBA where the players make a lot of decisions. I mean,
look how many times as a player in the NFL,
and it's it's becoming more of a player's empowerment leagal.
I mean, look how many players have to hold in
this year and made and made their money? Right, bo
dk Metcalf, Derwin James that they're there are players that
held in and made money. There are players who asked
for trade, request to get traded more often now, but
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generally speaking, like if you're a superstar and you're like,
I want to be traded. The team in the NFL
is like, okay, we'll screw you. We're not you know,
we're not trading you. And NBA it's more of a
players like I want to be out of here, and
it's up to Kevin Durant to decide whether or not
he wants to leave. Not Shawn Marks right or not,
you know, the the owner of the Nets. So they're
just different leagues, um, And that's why there's not a
lot of NFL examples of this, you know, you know,
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you know again, like Tyreek Kio wants to be traded, okay, cool,
Like Chiefs agree that we don't want to pay the money,
okay cool. Cordially, we're we'll we'll we'll trade you. Roquan
Smith wants to be traded. Jimmy Geo imagine wants to
be traded. Yeah, we don't want to do that. And
so it's a different type of league. So that's why
there's not a lot of NFL examples of what's happening
in Brooklyn right now. I guess you end up never
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happening in Brooklyn. I'll give you one from last season.
Different kind of drama. But think about the Radars. Think
about all the drama with the Raiders last season with
Jon Gruden leaving right being forced out and the tragedy
with Henry Ruggs killing a young girl and the d
U I deal and Damon ar Nett he got released
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their two first round bicks from twenty got released. Damon
Arnett was brandishing a gun and making death threats. It
was crazy with the Raiders. It was nothing but drama,
and they made it to the playoffs. I think that's
one of the more underrated accomplishments that they even made
it that far last year. I'm I'm with you there,
and that's why I think that I have more respect
for Derek Carr, even though he you know, he blocked
me on Twitter like five years ago. Even know why
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I've never interacted with him. I want to go look
at a tweet of his and I was like, oh,
I got blocked Derek Carr, No kidding. Yeah. I think
it's one of those where maybe I follow someone that
you know, you could block people that follow people that
you want to block sort of thing. It's like a really,
yeah do that, Yeah, oh no, guy blocked me. Um.
But I have I have a much more respect for
him last year because not only the obviously he helped
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him make the playoffs, but he was the spokesperson like
Mark Davis didn't get up and talk about the firing
of John Gruden. He didn't talk about Henry Ruggs. It
was it was Derek Carr. And you know, I might
disagree with some of what he said about Rugs, but
I understand his point and I understand his compassion, and
I understand that he's the person doing the talking for
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the team when it should be the owner of the
general manager, not the quarterback, handling all the situation and
then going out obviously playing well enough to lead him
into the playoffs. So and by the way they were,
you know, they were one conversion away from time the
game against the Bengals and going over time. So I
give car a lot of respect for how he had
to be the spokesperson for this team during during times
(30:44):
of Rugs and Gruden and our net and just like
a lot of turmoil, and it's very underrated. I think
the way he handled that last season, it's very professional,
and I give him a lot of credit for the
maturity he showed last season. Yeah, and I think when
you spin it forward to this season, a lot of
the the talk has been if you're looking at the Raiders,
you're looking at all of the upgrades in that division
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and how much competition there is. It's really really tough.
But I think one of the things that we've glossed
over is what if the Raiders don't have half the
drama that they dealt with last season, that could help
him a ton And coupled with obviously getting Davonte Adams,
if you have your head coach of Josh McDaniels, isn't
getting let go because of emails that surface from years ago,
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like Gruden, like you lost your head coach midway and
you had Rich Besoccia. That's crazy that you went ten
and seven. If you don't have that type of drama
this season, that could be a big deal for them. Yeah.
Um So, a couple of things about the Raiders. There's
a article this morning the Bill Barnwell wrote for ESPN
dot com. I really like Bill's a is a good
read about teams that, um you know, the actual article
(31:48):
is here predicting NFL teams most likely to decline in
two again. I mean, you know, it's it's offseason. It's
some good stuff. So he wrote about the Raiders today. UM. Interesting,
So he said, you know they went tennants been last year,
but they had a point differential of a seven win
team there outscored nearly four points a game. UM and uh,
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just five teams with at least ten wins were outscored
at all during the regular season since since from nine,
So like forty thirty years five teams. They were twenty
one in d v L A, which I like. For
football outsiders, um ESPNS owned Football Power Index picked him
as a twenty third best team in the league. And
so even with the upgrades, I don't I don't know
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if they were as good as we thought last year.
And so the the the one one stat that I
like using to predict team success is the record in
one in one score games from the previous year. Right.
So for example, I'm Island, Tennessee. This year they were
six and two and once they were actually six and
two in games I decided by three points or less,
which is wild like typically that's right games. UM Vegas
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went seven and two last year. In games decided by
seven points or fewer, they were four and o and
overtime that season. So like, those are things that you know,
if you again, if you go four and three in
those games, uh maybe four and four and five or
five and four. I mean again, you're now not in
the playoffs. So I think there's there are reasons to say, hey, yes,
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the writer has made some upgrades. We still don't really
know Josh McDaniels as a head coach. Again. Um, you know,
there's a there's a with the belief that maybe they're
just not a ten win team. Again, they might not be,
they might not. And with Russ being there with the Broncos,
big deal with the upgrades the Chargers have made defensively,
there's a lot of competition in there. Man. That's all
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the way in on on the Brons. Let's pick it
back up with the Brian, want to hear this while
you're out on the Broncos. Also coming up, what does
Jeff think about my online betting account? And also there's
a great troll job that we have to mention before
we get out of here. I'm Brian, No, he's Jeff Schwartz.
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(35:04):
over here. I wanna I want to gauge what you
think about this? Okay, so um fell in some hard times,
went to the well a little bit too often. With
the Tampa Bay Lightning, right winning not losing two games
in a row. They not lost. Yeah, that bait me.
That bait me late in the It happened a lot
(35:25):
in the in the Cup, right they lost a couple
of games. Yeah, So that took my account all the
way down, partially to fifty cents. So I saw, I
thought to myself instead of reloading, you know, I'm just
gonna dabble until football season rolls around and I have
a better sense of things now. So I've gone up
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from fifty cents to two dollars and sixty cents. Oh buddy,
all on the Ravens money line. I know they were
like minus two any or something last week. What is
it this week? Mine? So you have to bet your
two fifty to win like cents. We'll get to three
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dollars though. You know, I love it because that's like
gambling lingo is it put three dollars on it meaning
three hundred. It's literally three dollars for me in my account.
I just read an article on week zero lines, so
I'm ready to wager on week zero for you're ready
for that? I like, I have to actually have to
write or when we get done with us on the
airplane today, I'm writing a week zero article. I have
(36:30):
to need to write like about three wagers I like
for this weekend. So can you give us one of them?
Who do you like? I mean probably Utah State in
minus against Connecticut at home. Dude, you are hardcore. I
love this. Even with Jim Mora Jr. Over there. Huh,
he's getting the guys rallied over. I saw where he
gave a scholarship away to two guys to walk on.
(36:52):
It's positive over there, New Era and Husky Foot Yeah yeah, okay, cool.
Um they're terrible state. Actually they beat up an organ
state in the in the bowl game. Quarterback played well.
Young kids back for the season. Um, I'm looking at
the lies now. I mean I I Hawaii is getting
eight points at home against Vanderbilt. I don't know why
(37:13):
that that's a thing that's happening. I mean, who why
is Vanderbilt at eight point favorite on the road at Hawaii.
I might go Hawaii plus eight there? Um, Yeah, that's
that's that's a week zero for you will be in
book this weekend watching these games. They'll tell you that.
I love that. Now, by the way, before we get
to your Broncos, thought, here a great troll job by
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the Saints. You see this, So the Saints trolled the Falcons.
Of course the Super Bowl they lost to the Patriots
when they had a three leagues. So there's an ad
at the Superdome for their new escalators and it says,
our new express escalators will get you to your seats
twenty eight point three times faster than before. That may
(37:56):
not be an actual and exact number, but there is
something about three. So basically, the Saints are trolling the Falcons.
I mean it's NFC South trolling and its finest right there.
I like that stuff. Yeah, I mean it seems like
I don't know that a little bit much. But okay,
I mean yeah, you're like, yeah, not the best attempt,
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right is the preseason, So you know, the preseason for
trolling is part of what's part of what's happening right now.
Right so working out the trolling kinks is what's going on.
Working out a little bit there. So that's good. Now,
why are you not in on the Broncos? Jeff Schwartz,
you're not in on the Saints, You're not in on
the Broncos. What is it this time? All right? What
is it this time? So you know, we talked about
a lot about coaching staffs, right, like that's an important
(38:38):
part to this Um. What do we know about Nathan Hackett?
The last time he ran an offense was in Jacksonville.
They were they weren't very good the first time defensive coordinator.
They played a super tough division. They have a quarterback
who just is the more I just I need to
see less of Russell Wilson Um who you know, does
struggle with with pocket presence. You're changing the entire offense
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and you drop to bunch offensive linemen to do one
thing you're changing and they can do something else. I
just I'm not I don't think there are like a
ten or eleven win team this year. Not in on them.
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your Thursday. Here Brian Now and Jeff Schwartz with you.
You know, the Patriots are a smart organization, Bill Belichick,
very smart head coach. I have no idea what's going
on with the play calling situation here. I bring this
up because Patriots quarterback Mac Jones, he was a guest
(00:22):
on w E I, and their offense is stunk this offseason, right,
It's stunk in training camp, its stunk in the preseason.
So there's a lot of talk about what's going on
here with Matt Patricia, former defensive coordinator. He's calling the
offensive plays. Here's what Mac Jones is talking about their
offensive struggles thus far. We'll get that in a second here. Yeah,
(00:46):
we're getting to it. But uh yeah, what do you
make of all of this, Jeff Schwartz, Where you've got
a defensive coordinator for six years and Matt Patricia who's
now the offensive play caller. Um, so over of years
Belichick has gotten tired of his top assistance leaving and
then trying to find people to replace him who he
(01:07):
does not trust, right, and so for so many years,
Josh McDaniels was the obviously the offensive coordinator. He left
to be the head coach of the Raiders, And I
feel like Belichick said, you know what, I'm just not
going to hire someone I don't trust, that I don't
know their offense. He kind of hired Ose and hartbeat right.
I mean, how many how many people sign up to
coach the Patriots? Everyone? Right? And so I'm gonna do
(01:29):
it myself, Slash, do it with Matt Patricia um and
together we'll we'll do this offense as one. You know,
Belichick is one of the only coaches and everyone kind
of talks about this that knows offense and defense, like
you know, both extreme and extremely high level. Most coaches
know one or the other at the high level. Right.
But that arrogance, though, I think is gonna cost them
(01:52):
this season because not only that, like their offensive line
coaches Joe Judge Um, so, Joe, Joe your offics a
line coach, Matt Patricia's draff, it's a coordinator, and Belichick
is kind of overseeing the whole thing. And you have
a quarterback who's not dynamic, you have a lack of
(02:15):
while receiving options that are elite. I just don't see
this being successful for them. All reports from training camp,
especially joint practices like yesterday, are terrible that they're having
a really tough time. They're transitioning, by the way, to
a different style of offense too, from a kind of
a downhill running scheme to more of a zone running
(02:35):
scheme now, and I just it's gonna backfy. It's not
gonna work, and I think Belichick will regret not hiring
off its coordinator. Yeah, this was Mac Jones. This is
what he's saying about the offensive struggles on w EI.
Failure is putting a label on something that's not the process. So,
like you just said, we're just trying to focus on
(02:56):
the process and not the result, and failure will be
considered resolve. So we're just trying to work do it all.
And you know, we don't need to overcomplicated football. And
it's a simple game if you if you make it
a simple game. So we're all trying to get there.
It doesn't happen overnight. Okay, going through the process. Here's
go ahead. What are you gonna say, I know, right,
(03:17):
like if you were killing it would Yeah, we're not
worried about just all this success. We're just worried about
the process right now. Yeah. Yeah. And this was Belichick.
He was on EI talking about all the talk about
the play caller. I'm really not too concerned about that.
There have been many years or we haven't had titles.
(03:37):
I don't even know what titles we've had or not.
It doesn't really make any difference to me. That's not
the point of it, okay, right right, yeah, like you know,
um really yeah, it's a good point, right. Um. This
to me is like a downsizing radio station. Jeff Schwartz.
I see this in radio all the time, where there
(03:58):
are stations that they will cut a few jobs and
then whoever's left they just have more jobs to do.
It's like, well, Chris, you're you're gonna be the program
director of the like like the hard rock station as well,
and uh oh, we gotta you know, we gotta a
top forty station. You're gonna be taking over. That is
what doesn't the Patriots feel like that? Where it's I
(04:19):
don't understand why. Matt Patricia, one of my friends, said
this in the off season. He's a Patriot fan, and
I was like, who's gonna be your offensive coordinator? And
he was like, I think it's gonna be Patricia. I
was like, what, I didn't believe it at the time,
And that's without the title being official. That's essentially what
we have right now. It's crazy to me. Again, it's
I think that's a little bit of arrogance on blichick side,
(04:40):
but also that he just is, you know, tired of
hiring coaches and having to replace coaches that he does
not personally trust as much because it obviously is hired
would have to be from from very outside. And I
think that, um, that's uh, that's a big part of this.
He going with people that then he trus um and uh,
(05:03):
that's where we're at with this, Like, I just it
just you know, I I don't think it's gonna work
in that division. Um, and they're gonna struggle this season
and maybe Mack Jones did never reaches potential until they
find themselves a more stable offensive coordinator. Yeah, Belichick had
said he pointed out that Josh McDaniels and Brian Dable
we're on defense and then made their way over to
(05:25):
the offensive side as play callers. So this has happened before.
But Brian Table did that like it like a lower level. Sure, Yeah,
he wasn't just so Brian, he said, Brian So. Brian
Dable was a defensive assistant for the Patriots UM in
two two one, then became the wide receiver's coach, then
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quarterback coach, then O C O C for a couple
of years the thing, went to Alabama or kind of
relearned everything that was a big step of his and
became back. I mean, so it wasn't like he just
went from defensive assistant to play caller. Yeah. I know,
it's not the same thing at all. He's one of
five Super Bowls in the national and college National Championship. Yeah.
(06:12):
And and Josh McDaniels, Yeah, he started off as a
defensive assistant way back when in O two oh three.
He was a quarterbacks coach starting in O four, and
then you're working your way up offensive coordinator a couple
of years later. Like, I just it's not the same thing.
So I don't get it. I don't understand why the Patriots,
they're so smart, why they didn't go out and get
(06:36):
one of the sharper offensive coordinators out there right, Like,
And that's the thing is, that's why Josh McDaniels was
there for so long. Partially he's the coach in waiting.
So if you're the new offensive coordinator, Belichick is not
gonna coach forever, you could be the next guy up
if you have successed. Yeah, so that's a strange situation.
(06:58):
I mean, I you know, I said I think anyone
would work for Bill. I mean maybe there's maybe not
Maybe people O C saying hey, I don't want to
go here. You know, Bill budgets too restrictive of the offense,
which I don't don't know how true that is. I'm
just kind of throwing out things. Um. But yeah, that's
possible that he tried and and but it seems like
he never even tried. I mean, you interview anybody from
the beginning, he never seemed interested in hiring a new
(07:22):
offensive coordinator. Um. And now we're stuck with with this,
So we'll see. I'm not the Patriots to me, I
hate fading Bill Belichick, but I just don't see how
this is gonna work. I don't either in a loaded
conference that the a f C is loaded. Man, And
they were ten and seven. That was a good year
all things considered. But I think they're taking a step backward. Man.
(07:42):
I could see them. I certainly see them missing the playoffs.
I could see them being sub five hundred. Oh totally.
And again this this conference is just so good. That's
that's why. And um you look at you know where
you rank Mac Jones and the A F C. Alone.
I mean he's not, he's not. He's not in the
top seven, right, I mean that's a good question. Who's
(08:03):
better this year? Is it Tour is it mac Jones?
Obviously their weapons are much different. I mean, to is
set up for better success the offense, the weapons he has,
I mean, there's possibilities that he you know, he throws
you know, um, you know his his what was it
a depth of a past it's like average like six
this year, but he thought for a ton of yards
because of the ability of his wide receivers. So, by
(08:26):
the way, with everything we just threw out there, what
do you think the chances are that Zack Wilson of
the Jets is better than mac Jones this year? Uh?
I mean he's gotta get healthy first. Yeah, I don't know.
It wasn't high Zach Wilson either coming at so yeah, okay, yeah,
I was just he had he was the best rookie
(08:47):
quarterback easily last season. So it's not like yeah, no, no, no,
Mack Jones this season the best quarterback in that class
with Trever Lawrence, oh no doubt, no doubt. I'm just
talking about rookie seas. Oh yeah, I I mean Trevor
Lawrence is really good. Again. Doug Peterson does not get
enough credit. I mean he had Carson Wentz, he had
him playing his best season in seventeen. Ever, like, there's
(09:08):
just still this. I was thinking about this the other
day in a different show. I was doing, Um, so
Carson Wentz hasn't been good since seventeen, right, like the
show that you do know, the Pack twelve. Actually I
think I was doing this on another show, so I
think it was what. It doesn't matter where I was
doing on Jeff Schwartz. I like to work, Um, I
just like to hear myself talk problem. So people still
(09:31):
so Carson went has had one great season right twenty seventeen.
He's had some good seasons since then, but never not
close to see. Yeah, we still there's still people that talk.
I saw a tweet from Robert Griffin who said, um,
you know, like if if if he if we get
twenty seventeen Wentz. This year, the Commanders are going to
the playoffs. One other quarterback have we talked about like
(09:54):
that in like fifteen twenty years, Like, I think it's
Lamar Jackson Lamar Jackson season. Yeah, but that that was
just two years ago. We're like, hey, maybe if if
everyone returns healthy and Lamar is healthy, he plays better,
Like that feels more of its Hey, maybe Carson Wentz
(10:16):
can play like he did five years ago. It seems
like very I don't get why there's this, Like I
need to see Carson wants to play well again. Guys.
He's a good quarterback at best, and when he's destructive,
he's very destructive. We saw what happened in the last season. Um,
he can't keep a team. The Colts like went out
(10:38):
of their way. Frank right went out of his way
to try to get him. They got him, and they're like, yeah,
you gotta go, buddy. After one year. They didn't even
have an option to go to at the time. They
were just like, we just know it's not you and
we don't have an alternative, but we'll figure it out. Look,
I think that when you don't take a responsibility for
your mistakes. Um, you get your mistakes keet compounded and
(11:03):
people get very tired of listening to you not take responsibility,
which is seems like whenever I hear Carson wants to talk,
it's never about his responsibility, it's about something else. And
I'm okay with people having those beliefs, but like at
some point you have to say, like, yeah, it's my
fault that we lost because I played terribly. You know
what coming up. There's an interesting layer to this how
expectations can impact how we evaluate these guys. But I
(11:28):
want to throw a comparison out at you, and we'll
do that around the corner. Brian No and Jeff Schwartz
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a Cup of Joe crew Sad News Here Jeff Schwartz,
I uh, I got some popped arts the other day
and I was already. I'm like, all right, let me
eat here when I have a free minute, and I
bit in, expecting a cherry pop tart. It was strawberry,
far worse, far worse, devastating news, though, I don't know
(12:16):
if I'm gonna be able to how old eating a
pop tart for breakfast? What were you doing? Harry? I'm sorry?
What what's the distinguished thinking man's you know, approach to
breakfast over here? What's the uh, the highly adult way
to go? I don't know what is it? Yeah? I
was gonna order a bagel this morning. Bagel. That's good,
But it was like the up charge for the bagel
(12:39):
was too expensive for my liking, so I haven't ordered anything.
Really about how expensive was this? It was like four
or five dollars more than it would have been if
I just go pick it up. So I might after
the airport, after this, I might just go pick up
a bagel on the way the airport, send myself to
five dollars. I love that you will draw the line
and be like, no, I'm not doing it hours for
(13:00):
a big old locks that's a little expensive. Yeah, hey,
I get it, man, So I can just go pick
it up on the way of the airport maybe, but um,
you know, you were just talking about Carson Wentz and
there's something that I have to talk about him, I know.
But you know what's funny is I was reading something
about Jamis Winston. I know you're not high on the
Saints this offseason going into the year, but there was
(13:21):
something about Jamis Winston that caught my attention because think
about Jamis last season. It was talked about mostly positive
right where he threw fourteen touchdown passes only three interceptions,
looked pretty good before he tore his a c L
And I read this little nugget about Jamis where it
said Jamis Winston averaged only a hundred and sixty seven
passing yards per game, and I started thinking, I'm like,
(13:46):
you know what, that sounds an awful lot like Carson Wentz.
All I heard last season was Wentz, hey didn't throw
for many yards. It was two hundred and ten yards
roughly per game. But what's interesting is if you take
jamis fourteen touchdown passes, his three interceptions, if you kind
of guesstimate where he would have ended up or at
least what he was on pace for during the season,
(14:08):
he would have ended up where Wentz did. Went said
twenty seven touchdowns in seven bicks. That's as close to
doubling fourteen and three as you can get. Yet, if
you look at how Jamis Winston was talked about compared
to how Carson Wentz was talked about, it shows you
how expectations factor into evaluations. And we weren't expecting much
of anything from Jami's last season. He exceeded those expectations.
(14:32):
We're just throwing rose pedals at his feet. Meanwhile, Wentz
actually did more and he got nothing but getting crushed
last It's crazy how it worked out that way. Well,
that's part of it, right, I mean, all our views
on sports are all off, in my opinion, based off
what our perceived expectation is for that person, team player,
like whatever it is. And I'm out high on the
(14:54):
Saints because I just don't think. I like Jami's story,
like I'm rooting for him, you know, to play well.
I don't ever relroot for players to play pointless, I
bet against him. Um, But you know it's a good story.
I have to tell it in there, right, I do
actually root against players that I bet against them. Sorry everyone,
UM for that I hope. I hope that they hope
that they lose. Don't cover whatever word you want to use. Um.
(15:17):
So look, I think he's okay, but again, you lost
the Hall of Fame head coach, um who ran the
offense for twenty years, um. And I just don't know
how that doesn't matter this year. I feel like people
are over overlooking that with a quarterback Jamis who And
I think that the touchdown interception ratio thing like, interceptions
(15:37):
to me, don't bother me that much if they're you know,
Pat ma homes last year through a tony of in receptions,
have them were like tip, like, who cares? Were there?
They were, we know, one half away from going to
Super Bowl. I'm so that doesn't bother but that actually
means you don't take chances. I want to hear Jamisison
through for hundred and Sam says yards of game and
didn't tell for any It means he's just taking the
easy one, which is not good. You need a quarterback
(15:58):
to push the ball down the field. Also, how much
was Taysom Hill playing those games too? So that might
be a little bit if if Hill was in those
games at all for those Gadget plays, maybe he ate
up some of those passing yards. That's what I'm just
not high on on on you know Jamis as well
in the Saints this year. But you're exactly right. Our
expectations play a big part of it. I'm just I
don't want a high expectations for Wentz, so like nothing then,
(16:18):
like I just and we choose to root for certain
players to play well, and so it's just odd. It's
odd how it goes around. But um, yeah, I'm on
hand Winston this year. I'm on hand once this year. Yeah. Yeah,
it's it's funny that way. But you know, think about it,
they're drafted very comparably, right, Jamie's number one overall, Wentz
number two overall, And uh, I don't know how it
(16:40):
changed with Jamis Winston. Something changed where going from Tampa
to New Orleans, the expectations just went down totally. And
now it's whatever he does well, We're like, hey, look
at Jamis is pretty good, right, Like the expectations are
far lower for a former number one overall pick. We're
just happy with what we get when it comes to Jamis.
(17:01):
It feels that way with like Marcus Marion in Atlanta
to You're like, you know, man, yeah, guy runs around
and makes him makes some plays. It is it is
kind of we do that also to another quarterbacks in
that same bos miss Robinsky. He goes to Buffalo last year,
there will be passes me through last season in the
regular seasons, not many did he throw any eight hole passes.
(17:23):
But now somehow he goes to Pittsburgh and I was like, yo,
guy can play. Man, just give him a chance. He
was he was he from Buffalo last year. He's done.
He didn't play last year. I didn't know he's gotten better. Yeah,
but he we just pick up the students make things up.
Comes to like, oh he might be better. Sure, But
like so you're running about the changing teams and there's
(17:45):
like this thing where it's a fresh star. We've seen
like Ryan Tannehill obviously be the opposite direction right, changes
teams and becomes a much better quarterback. You know, Matt Stafford,
I'm not sure that he was many probably any different
than he's been in Detroit, just had a better team
around him. Um, But there's an expert as kind of
a fresh start changes, um how a player and it
(18:06):
happens at time, time and time, but not often right,
where a fresh start makes the player something totally different.
We we we live, We we love too to hold
up outliers as the norm. You know, Josh Allen got better,
so therefore so and so is gonna get better. Josh
Allen is one of one. I mean, there's almost no
(18:26):
comparison to his success from a year two to three
in NFL history. Um, but yet you know we're gonna
hold up there's a I forget who I saw, you know,
like someone there was a graphic this preseason of preparing
Josh Allen's first two seasons to someone else's first two
seasons and the other player had had more wins, and
it's like, guys, like it might have even been Daniel Jones,
(18:48):
like like like just slowed down plays, Okay, because that
that's a rare improvement what Josh Allen did, and where
Ryan Tannehill went from the Dolphins, that that rare to
make that jump and go to a different team and
be much better, right. I mean, it's a good point
with Tannehill, even there aren't a ton of Tannehills to
(19:08):
go from what he was with Miami. Smith is one
that comes to mind, right from they are they're out there,
but there aren't a ton It's just like you have amnesia.
You saw four years of Mitch Robinsky and I don't
think Matt Naggie used them the right way, but still
it wasn't only Matt Maggie. And it's like people have amnesia.
They're like, hey, new uniform. I don't know, a guy
(19:29):
looks kind of good. It's like, we saw four years
of this guy. Why would you think he's much better
now we've seen six years of WinCE Now like, yeah,
you know, we've seen Jamis Winson's career, and I get
that there is a And this is what makes the
NFL so fun, in my opinion, is there there is
a um a lot of hope in the NFL. Right
It's it's more than any other sport where even just
(19:51):
from the team level, where if you're a fan of
an NFL team right now, how many teams think to themselves,
we have a chance. Even the even Browns fans, okay,
thing to themselves. Let's go six and five with Jacoby Brissett,
get Watson back for the final five games. We go
four and one. We're a playoff team like we were
in the playoffs. We're in the dance. We got Watson
(20:13):
healthy ready. Like this is there's so much hope in
this league, and there's so much hope for players to
improve who they are after three or four years. What
in fact, that's very rare. Teams will tell you by
year three, man, you either know you don't know all around,
not just quarterback, all across the board. By year three,
(20:34):
if you're not ready to go, you're off your team.
Like I mean, I'm a good example, you're one practice squad.
Year two I played three, started three games. I played
it more, but started three games. Year three, I started
sixteen games. I'm in. I'm in. I'm in the NFL.
Now I've proven I'm capable, I'm able to play. It's
by year three, man, And uh, there's this, there's this
hope that because we like the players and and and
(20:56):
we I like Jamis Winston. No problem with Jamis Winston,
but like he shown who he is. I don't expect
him to be any different than what I like. Marcus Mariot,
a former Duck. I like him. He pretended to me
one time. I thought it was like the greatest thing ever.
And he's like I met him one time. I said, hey, Marcus,
you know, nice to meet you, Jeff Schwartz. I thank
you for being a great duck. And he's like, oh,
I know who you are, Like you don't, but thank
you for a second. I never met I've never met
(21:20):
him before. I've never been the same room as him before.
There's like no mention of me in the organ facility,
Like there's nothing that's like he would know who I am.
Like there's no like Jeff Schwartz room, there's no monument
to me, there's no I'm just but like there's no
reason he would know me, Like there's no I had
not been back to Oregon at any of the time
(21:40):
he was there. There's no reason he would know me.
But he pretended to know me. It was great, Thank
you Marcus. Um. But he is what he is, Like
I'm gonna I root for him. I former duck, as
I mentioned like, but he is what he is, right,
And I think at times we just we hoped that players,
it's not the NBA, We're a player in years seven
can like you know, make that jump as they can
(22:02):
get more mature and get older, and you know year
when a lot of NBA players kind of make that
that jump right, that's not it's not the NFL. No,
I think there's there's some realistic hope. Like, for instance,
take a guy like to one. Now, this is gonna
sound like Dolphins favoritism, but follow me on this. For
(22:22):
for two, of going into his third year with a
lot better you know, Tyreek Hill around, that's a big deal.
Like maybe maybe this guy takes a big step forward.
It's possible. But if you see a guy for four
years like Rabinsky or goodness, how many years for Jamis
and Mariota in the same draft. That's a lot of years.
You rarely see the Tannehill turn around. It's just very rare.
(22:46):
It doesn't happen that often. This is year three for two.
So this is the That's what I'm saying. That's why
I think it's a little more realist, right, this is
the and this is why everyone says like this is
the year, right, we need to see it happen this
season to believe that this is who too was gonna be.
And Josh Allen did it in your three two guys, right, right,
And so that is why year three is that important season.
(23:07):
And um, that's why I think there's still hope. It
is a Dolphins fan. With the coaching changes, with the
you know, the offense that has we've seen now, I mean,
this offense has elevated bad quarterbacks into being much better
than we think. I mean, think about what Jared Goff
did in Los Angeles, right, thinking about what Jimmy g
has done in Los Angeles, I mean in San Francisco.
Think about even even and Cousins is better than these
(23:28):
guys will be unfair, But what Cousins might do with
with with Kevin O'Connell now, right, you know what Aaron
Rodgers has done in the last couple of years with
Matt Lawford. This offense has historically taken quarterbacks. And that's
why Rogers is so good in the offense because it's
taking quarterbacks that our average and made him much better.
Now you add Hall of Fame arm into this offense
(23:49):
and you become Aaron Rodgers, right, two time MVP. Like
that's and so to us should play wellness offense even
if you know, even if Mikeael Daniels, you know it
is not the best play caller, and we don't know
that yet obviously, and there's there's ways to succeed in
this offense. That, so he should play well this season.
If he doesn't, that's the red flag. Oh absolutely, it
is all right. Coming up, we gotta get to It's
(24:10):
easily one of the most underrated accomplishments last season. But
we hand the baton to our man, Mr Eddie Garcia
to spin us around the sporting landscape. What's going on, Eddie? Well,
we start with news from the NFL, where it's not
good news for the Dallas Cowboys. Is starting left tackle
Tyrant Smith suffered a torn hamstring and practice. The injuries
expected to cost him several months of seasons, an eight
(24:33):
time Pro Bowler considered one of the top offensive tackles
in the game since Eddie. Bengals quarterback Joe Burrow returned
to full participation in team practices for the first time
since his appendeck to me in July remains we've seen him.
He's gonna play in the Bengals preseason finale Saturday against
the Rams when it rematch of the Super Bowl. He
is expected to play in the joint practices this week
with the Rams. College football pit coach Patton Ardouzy announced
(24:53):
the former USC quarterback Keaton Stoleves is gonna be the
team's starter. And I'm a little sad that Jonas Stocks
is not here because this story was something that he
would be very excited about and it says a little
bit about Jonas knocks. But did you see that a
former NFL head coach is going to be appearing on
the television show The Amazing Race? Oh? I didn't see this.
(25:14):
Who is it? That would be former New York Jets
head coach Rex Ryan, who Jonas loves to talk about
because of his uh also like feats is that? Like?
Is that now? That's a great question, Jeff. I don't know,
but I know he does love love talking about Rex
Ryan's That's that's how That's how I tie it together.
(25:37):
You know what, I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm not
saying you're right, but I am not saying you're wrong. Now,
now back to Brian No and Jeff Schwartz and the
Fox Sports radio studios. Good stuff, Eddie. I learned something
new every morning, man, I love it. Yeah, I gotta
tell you a quick story, Jeff. This is kind of crazy,
but so in college. Yeah, one of my buddies, Uh,
(26:00):
he ended up his roommates found that he had a
foot fetish magazine was a true story. What title for
the foot fetsh magazine? I have no idea. I didn't
see it. I don't know. I'm not sure. But but
the funny thing is whenever, like two of my friends,
they lived in the same house and they would butt
(26:21):
heads all the time, and so any time that they
were butting heads, my one friend would say about the
guy with the foot fetish magazine. He was like, you
suck toes. It's cool. You suck toes. You suck toes.
It's all right, it's fine. And that was the ultimate
trump card. He had nothing to say. It made it
so awkward, yet it was hilarious at the same time.
What do you remember what around the year this was, gosh,
(26:43):
just probably around two thousand, I would say, somewhere around mazine.
I don't know, I have no idea. Yeah, a lot
of questions there. Let me throw this at you with
the Brooklyn Nets. Okay, I want to do an NFL
thing with the Brooklyn Nets. Yeah. So k D is back,
Kevin Durant, he removes the trade request. We're gonna move
(27:07):
forward here, We're pressing forward. We're gonna go into the season. Yeah,
everything's alright, he tried to acts the head coach acts
the GM. But he's back and we're all lovey dovey now.
And I started to think to myself, Jeff, I'm like,
is there anything close in the NFL to this type
of drama. It might not be the same kind of drama,
(27:29):
but just anything along the same lines in terms of drama.
You got one? What do you have? I mean it's
Tom Brady and you know whether New England, which is
kind of cordial breaking up or maybe you know, forcing
Bruce arians out. Yeah, that's a good one. That's probably
about it. I mean, um, you know the leisure structure
so differently, right, you have a players league in the
(27:51):
NBA where the players make a lot of decisions. I mean,
look how many times as a player in the NFL,
and it's it's becoming more of a player's empowerment leagal.
I mean, look how many players have to hold in
this year and made and made their money? Right, bo
dk Metcalf, Derwin James that they're there are players that
held in and made money. There are players who asked
for trade, request to get traded more often now, but
(28:11):
generally speaking, like if you're a superstar and you're like,
I want to be traded. The team in the NFL
is like, okay, we'll screw you. We're not you know,
we're not trading you. And NBA it's more of a
players like I want to be out of here, and
it's up to Kevin Durant to decide whether or not
he wants to leave. Not Shawn Marks right or not,
you know, the the owner of the Nets. So they're
just different leagues, um, And that's why there's not a
lot of NFL examples of this, you know, you know,
(28:34):
you know again, like Tyreek Kio wants to be traded, okay, cool,
Like Chiefs agree that we don't want to pay the money,
okay cool. Cordially, we're we'll we'll we'll trade you. Roquan
Smith wants to be traded. Jimmy Geo imagine wants to
be traded. Yeah, we don't want to do that. And
so it's a different type of league. So that's why
there's not a lot of NFL examples of what's happening
in Brooklyn right now. I guess you end up never
(28:56):
happening in Brooklyn. I'll give you one from last season.
Different kind of drama. But think about the Radars. Think
about all the drama with the Raiders last season with
Jon Gruden leaving right being forced out and the tragedy
with Henry Ruggs killing a young girl and the d
U I deal and Damon ar Nett he got released
(29:17):
their two first round bicks from twenty got released. Damon
Arnett was brandishing a gun and making death threats. It
was crazy with the Raiders. It was nothing but drama,
and they made it to the playoffs. I think that's
one of the more underrated accomplishments that they even made
it that far last year. I'm I'm with you there,
and that's why I think that I have more respect
for Derek Carr, even though he you know, he blocked
me on Twitter like five years ago. Even know why
(29:39):
I've never interacted with him. I want to go look
at a tweet of his and I was like, oh,
I got blocked Derek Carr, No kidding. Yeah. I think
it's one of those where maybe I follow someone that
you know, you could block people that follow people that
you want to block sort of thing. It's like a really,
yeah do that, Yeah, oh no, guy blocked me. Um.
But I have I have a much more respect for
him last year because not only the obviously he helped
(30:00):
him make the playoffs, but he was the spokesperson like
Mark Davis didn't get up and talk about the firing
of John Gruden. He didn't talk about Henry Ruggs. It
was it was Derek Carr. And you know, I might
disagree with some of what he said about Rugs, but
I understand his point and I understand his compassion, and
I understand that he's the person doing the talking for
(30:22):
the team when it should be the owner of the
general manager, not the quarterback, handling all the situation and
then going out obviously playing well enough to lead him
into the playoffs. So and by the way they were,
you know, they were one conversion away from time the
game against the Bengals and going over time. So I
give car a lot of respect for how he had
to be the spokesperson for this team during during times
(30:44):
of Rugs and Gruden and our net and just like
a lot of turmoil, and it's very underrated. I think
the way he handled that last season, it's very professional,
and I give him a lot of credit for the
maturity he showed last season. Yeah, and I think when
you spin it forward to this season, a lot of
the the talk has been if you're looking at the Raiders,
you're looking at all of the upgrades in that division
(31:05):
and how much competition there is. It's really really tough.
But I think one of the things that we've glossed
over is what if the Raiders don't have half the
drama that they dealt with last season, that could help
him a ton And coupled with obviously getting Davonte Adams,
if you have your head coach of Josh McDaniels, isn't
getting let go because of emails that surface from years ago,
(31:26):
like Gruden, like you lost your head coach midway and
you had Rich Besoccia. That's crazy that you went ten
and seven. If you don't have that type of drama
this season, that could be a big deal for them. Yeah.
Um So, a couple of things about the Raiders. There's
a article this morning the Bill Barnwell wrote for ESPN
dot com. I really like Bill's a is a good
read about teams that, um you know, the actual article
(31:48):
is here predicting NFL teams most likely to decline in
two again. I mean, you know, it's it's offseason. It's
some good stuff. So he wrote about the Raiders today. UM. Interesting,
So he said, you know they went tennants been last year,
but they had a point differential of a seven win
team there outscored nearly four points a game. UM and uh,
(32:09):
just five teams with at least ten wins were outscored
at all during the regular season since since from nine,
So like forty thirty years five teams. They were twenty
one in d v L A, which I like. For
football outsiders, um ESPNS owned Football Power Index picked him
as a twenty third best team in the league. And
so even with the upgrades, I don't I don't know
(32:31):
if they were as good as we thought last year.
And so the the the one one stat that I
like using to predict team success is the record in
one in one score games from the previous year. Right.
So for example, I'm Island, Tennessee. This year they were
six and two and once they were actually six and
two in games I decided by three points or less,
which is wild like typically that's right games. UM Vegas
(32:53):
went seven and two last year. In games decided by
seven points or fewer, they were four and o and
overtime that season. So like, those are things that you know,
if you again, if you go four and three in
those games, uh maybe four and four and five or
five and four. I mean again, you're now not in
the playoffs. So I think there's there are reasons to say, hey, yes,
(33:14):
the writer has made some upgrades. We still don't really
know Josh McDaniels as a head coach. Again. Um, you know,
there's a there's a with the belief that maybe they're
just not a ten win team. Again, they might not be,
they might not. And with Russ being there with the Broncos,
big deal with the upgrades the Chargers have made defensively,
there's a lot of competition in there. Man. That's all
(33:37):
the way in on on the Brons. Let's pick it
back up with the Brian, want to hear this while
you're out on the Broncos. Also coming up, what does
Jeff think about my online betting account? And also there's
a great troll job that we have to mention before
we get out of here. I'm Brian, No, he's Jeff Schwartz.
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(35:04):
over here. I wanna I want to gauge what you
think about this? Okay, so um fell in some hard times,
went to the well a little bit too often. With
the Tampa Bay Lightning, right winning not losing two games
in a row. They not lost. Yeah, that bait me.
That bait me late in the It happened a lot
(35:25):
in the in the Cup, right they lost a couple
of games. Yeah, So that took my account all the
way down, partially to fifty cents. So I saw, I
thought to myself instead of reloading, you know, I'm just
gonna dabble until football season rolls around and I have
a better sense of things now. So I've gone up
(35:47):
from fifty cents to two dollars and sixty cents. Oh buddy,
all on the Ravens money line. I know they were
like minus two any or something last week. What is
it this week? Mine? So you have to bet your
two fifty to win like cents. We'll get to three
(36:08):
dollars though. You know, I love it because that's like
gambling lingo is it put three dollars on it meaning
three hundred. It's literally three dollars for me in my account.
I just read an article on week zero lines, so
I'm ready to wager on week zero for you're ready
for that? I like, I have to actually have to
write or when we get done with us on the
airplane today, I'm writing a week zero article. I have
(36:30):
to need to write like about three wagers I like
for this weekend. So can you give us one of them?
Who do you like? I mean probably Utah State in
minus against Connecticut at home. Dude, you are hardcore. I
love this. Even with Jim Mora Jr. Over there. Huh,
he's getting the guys rallied over. I saw where he
gave a scholarship away to two guys to walk on.
(36:52):
It's positive over there, New Era and Husky Foot Yeah yeah, okay, cool.
Um they're terrible state. Actually they beat up an organ
state in the in the bowl game. Quarterback played well.
Young kids back for the season. Um, I'm looking at
the lies now. I mean I I Hawaii is getting
eight points at home against Vanderbilt. I don't know why
(37:13):
that that's a thing that's happening. I mean, who why
is Vanderbilt at eight point favorite on the road at Hawaii.
I might go Hawaii plus eight there? Um, Yeah, that's
that's that's a week zero for you will be in
book this weekend watching these games. They'll tell you that.
I love that. Now, by the way, before we get
to your Broncos, thought, here a great troll job by
(37:33):
the Saints. You see this, So the Saints trolled the Falcons.
Of course the Super Bowl they lost to the Patriots
when they had a three leagues. So there's an ad
at the Superdome for their new escalators and it says,
our new express escalators will get you to your seats
twenty eight point three times faster than before. That may
(37:56):
not be an actual and exact number, but there is
something about three. So basically, the Saints are trolling the Falcons.
I mean it's NFC South trolling and its finest right there.
I like that stuff. Yeah, I mean it seems like
I don't know that a little bit much. But okay,
I mean yeah, you're like, yeah, not the best attempt,
(38:16):
right is the preseason, So you know, the preseason for
trolling is part of what's part of what's happening right now.
Right so working out the trolling kinks is what's going on.
Working out a little bit there. So that's good. Now,
why are you not in on the Broncos? Jeff Schwartz,
you're not in on the Saints, You're not in on
the Broncos. What is it this time? All right? What
is it this time? So you know, we talked about
a lot about coaching staffs, right, like that's an important
(38:38):
part to this Um. What do we know about Nathan Hackett?
The last time he ran an offense was in Jacksonville.
They were they weren't very good the first time defensive coordinator.
They played a super tough division. They have a quarterback
who just is the more I just I need to
see less of Russell Wilson Um who you know, does
struggle with with pocket presence. You're changing the entire offense
(38:59):
and you drop to bunch offensive linemen to do one
thing you're changing and they can do something else. I
just I'm not I don't think there are like a
ten or eleven win team this year. Not in on them.
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