August 30, 2022 • 38 mins
Jim Harbaugh offers a cryptic Biblical reference when discussing Michigan’s two starting QB’s, Cade McNamara and J.J. McCarthy. Meanwhile, Brian Kelly holds onto a ‘tactical advantage’ by not declaring his starting QB. Lamar Jackson’s hints at details about his contract negotiations. Plus, bathroom etiquette and cleaning up toys on the FSR IR.
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but first a cute you know. We we gotta start
off by saying that we're talking about college teams and
college deals, and Jonas was who was still out for today.
He'll be back tomorrow. Everyone, No, don't, don't lose your
cool on this. But you know, his Rainbow Warriors, they
took it on the chain and we talked a little
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bit about it in the first hour, so you know,
you know, I want to send some some positive thoughts
and positive energy because I know that that had Jonas
somewhere in a corner, curled up in the fetal position
with his thumb in his mouth, feeling really bad about
what what had happened with his Rainbow Warriors. Man. Yeah, look,
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Timmy Chang's taking over that program, and clearly he's got
a lot to uh, a lot to build on there.
There's no doubt about it, especially considering you know, all
the transfers that left. I mean, you're starting quarterback Leaves goes.
The center's a state, which I don't think that's an
upgrade from where you're at, UM, but it was more
telling I think of the previous coaching staff in the
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situation they were in, uh and so that that was
just a depleted roster and program right now. But I
do think Timmy Chang we'll bring them back up. Um,
but this is one where looking I think it was
a good sign for Vanderbilt. You know, it's not often
you know, you're able to see them get a win
like that and that sort of offensive production. So, uh,
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kudos to them. I thought that they've got something in
uh their young quarterback who literally Mike Mike right both
on the ground through the air was pretty productive. So um,
you know, maybe they can start to build that program
back up to be a little more competitive when it's Vanderbilt.
Not really sure who you could pare like the Jake
Cutler days and I'm not really sure like what you're
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what you're sealing is, but um, they at least could
be a team that I think beats that like three.
I think they're the over under a set of three
three and a half games this year. I think they're
well on their way to four wins maybe maybe maybe
five wins at best this year for Vanderbilt. Well, I'll
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there was some interesting pressers and your guys, you know,
Jim Harball and Brian Kelly. Now you were just talking
about the quarterback leaving for San Jose from Hawaii. Well,
Jim Harball and Brian Kelly had some things to say
about the quarterback situations for their schools, and well, I
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would not be able to do it any justice without
us being able to listen to it and react to it. First,
let's take a listen to Jim Harball. It's a process
for me to stay staying up. I mean, no person,
I mean that's biblical. No person knows what the future holds.
And um, it's process and gonna be based on performance.
You know, both both have been tremendous uh quarterbacks. We
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think that that both can are capable of leading our
team to a championship. So I mean, that's that's good.
We're gonna keep cultivating that. And people have asked, you know,
is that you know, what how did you come to
that decision, and you know it was it based on
some kind of uh NFL model. No, it's mean, it's
really it's based based biblical you know Solomon he was
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known for being a pretty pretty wise person. Uh, I mean,
what the hell? I mean, have me let me know
what you're feeling. It's almost like Jim Harbaugh is playing
a different game than we are. Like he he's had
a two quarterback you know, scenario going on right now,
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and so instead of now people focusing on that, they're like,
what the hell did he just say that? He just
say biblical? Like now I'm trying to figure out what
Jim Harball was even saying and all of that, and
so people instead focus on what Harbaugh says as opposed
to the fact that this is a Michigan team that
won the Big Ten last year. I went to the
College Football Playoff, and I think, look as recruited well,
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has developed well. Some people are high, there's kind of
mixed opinions, some people are low on this team. I
personally think they'll be in contention again for the Big Ten.
I think they could be that good, but to not
be able to either anoint Kade McNamara as your starter,
given what he was able to do last year for you,
or just say, hey, we feel like J. J. McCarthy
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gives us the best chance and and I'm bleeding more
to the younger buck in McCarthy for this reason. If
you're trying to find ways of putting the younger guy
on the field, isn't that telling you something? I mean,
you're trying to do right by Kade McNamara because he
hasn't necessarily done anything wrong. But I think Michigan fans
would tell you there's a ceiling there. He's not as
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athletic as J. J. McCarthy. He's probably not, you know,
as we're gonna find out as the season plays out
and the rest of J. J. McCarthy's career, probably not
as accurate of a pastor either or as good of
a pastor as I think McCarthy can be and will be.
So to me, I think they're missing out on a
potential shot of, you know, being able to not only
be good this year but down the road by starting
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the J. J. McCarthy era. So look, he's sidestepping in.
It's a little bit you know, odd to me too,
that Hardball would do this, only because he has a
former quarterback. You know, he's a guy who's been through
it himself. I would think he'd want his team to
have clarity, you know. And I understand from a coaching standboy,
you can say, well, hey, we've gotta have guys who
are ready in a backup who's right now? Yeah, that's fine.
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But to sit there and say, like, you can't name
one of these two guys the starter for the season
and make a change if you have to make a change,
I mean, I'm not you know, I'm not sure if
it's a byproduct transfer portal and coaches being so scared
nowadays to announce a guy because they don't really have to,
and that guy just end up and putting his name
in the transfer portal, and there will be a lot
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of people who want Jage McCarthy's services. So it's just
the whole thing is odd to me. I have a
tad bit of a different take on this, all right.
I think if he wants to run with the biblical,
the biblical approach to this queue, bear with me for
a second. Hair, you you do know who King Solomon is,
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the son of right, if you know, in biblical terms
and in the Old Testament. He is the son of David,
King David. That's right now when you think about this
and biblical terms, we do not know what the future holds.
And when King David was faced with UH fighting the Philistines,
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I believe, if my my my memory and my recollection
serves me correctly, they had a daunting task of fighting
UH a land of people that were well giants. And
so I start to think to myself, is John Harball
sending out a cryptic message that he plans on winning
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the national title this year and against all lots, doesn't
matter which quarterback he uses. What he does know is
that he is actually going to handle his business as
a college coach, and his players are going to handle
their business as as college players against teams like say,
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Ohio State ha ha, who happened to be the Phillis
thinks of the Big Ten, you're going there, maybe there
are more giants to slay once you make it to
of the college football playoff. That would be my take
on this one. Cue Brady, And I just think that
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that might be he might be thinking in those terms
versus anything else. What say you, yeah, I mean that
that's that's definitely a possibility, There's no doubt. I mean,
the thing that I wonder is, do you think Jim
Harbaugh like gave a lot of thoughts how he was
gonna answer this question or do you think it just
kind of came off the top of his head. I
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think he, knowing, knowing how he has been through the years,
he gave this some thought because he knew he was
going to have to answer questions about his quarterbacks. I
must say he gave it some thought. But I just
don't know how deep he went into the thought process
of it. But I certainly believe that he wasn't just
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just you know, freestyle, and I definitely believe he gave
it a little bit of thought or maybe had just been,
you know, reading books in the Bible, or had did
a I don't know how guys come out and they
feel empowered and inspired after they do a little Bible study.
You know a lot of coaches are into doing Bible
study because you know, it just keeps you grounded, manages
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to stress different things like that. I would assume, you know,
that's my thing, you know. But all right, now that
was that was John Harball. But here's what Brian Kelly
had here's how Brian Kelly handled the quarterback situation. Take
a listen. Certainly, I think everybody here wants to know
who the quarterback is. I get that, But I think
it's a tactical advantage for us not to announce it. Okay, okay,
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advantage and who does else you play this week? Yeah,
I'm just speaking. I was saying, like, what, what's what's
what's supposed to be your tactical advantage against Florida? What's that?
They got Florida State coming up? Don't they? Uh? They do?
I didn't, I didn't. I wasn't. I mean, I'm not
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sure that like Florida State is not going to figure
this outcome pregame warm ups right and and and being
able to determine who that's going to be. But they,
I mean, I don't know. I guess they're that concerned
about Florida State already got a nice win, and they
they obviously know who their starters are in their scheme is.
But I just kind of sit there and look at
and go, are you that concerned about like being able
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to beat Florida State? I mean, you just left the
program that I don't know. The whole thing is kind
of interesting, you know, because I always feel like when
you don't want to announce a quarterback, you know, you're
only given that team. What maybe they you don't think
they're preparing for both anyway, And if there's not, there's
not drastically a difference between your what your offense is
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gonna be between the two, what does it matter? You know?
You know Jaden Dan's was a new quarterback from Arizona State,
not a different roster, different scheme. You don't know what
they're gonna do with them. It's a new head coach,
so you don't know how the scheme is gonna look
compared to last year. You know, whether it's it's Nuss Meyer,
um or or Daniels. I just I always think there's
a lot made of this. I think it's better for
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your team, which I apparently has told the team so
they they know, but not analysis everyone else. It's just
I don't know. I don't think it's it brings as
much of an advantage as people think when it's all
when it's all said and done, Yeah, I tend to
agree with you on this one. And listen, tactical advantage,
I mean, it is what it is in college. I mean,
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I think more often than not, it's it's always going
to be you know, you know, the players over to
XS and the ohs and and and he's got a
he's got a wealth of talent there at l s U.
So he can play at COY if he wants to,
and he can actually you know, undersell it or understate it.
I think he knows he's probably got a pretty good
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team sitting there and bat Rouge and and that's just
kind of you know, it's almost like that that whole thing,
you know. Living in California, Q, I've learned, uh what
passive aggressive really really really looks and sounds like. Um,
I don't know where where Brian Kelly is from originally,
but I'll tell you what that was probably passive aggressive
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as a coach in a press conference, you know, from Austin, Oh, Boston, Okay.
I would think that they are pretty pretty straightforward and
how they kind of they probably shoot from the hip.
I wouldn't give them passive aggressive in Boston, but I'll
say this tactical advantage. Tactical I don't know, I think
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it's a TapIt passive aggressive, but you know what, it's
probably him saying in code, we are going to beat
the crap out of Florida State. And it really doesn't
matter who I name as my starting quarterback. I just
believe that we're going to go into this game and
we're gonna want these dudes because that's just where we're
at and that's just where Florida State is right now.
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But it would be interesting to see if Florida State
has a great showing against l s U and and
if if statements like tactical advantage make uh its way
back to uh Brian Kelly after the game, it'd be interesting. Well,
if they don't win, that tactical advantages are gonna look
like much of anything. So yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, well,
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you know what, from one tactical advantage to another cue uh,
We're gonna take a quick break. But I mean, is
the tactical advantage of the Baltimore Ravens maybe uh backfiring
on them. We'll have some interesting comments about what Lamar
Jackson had to say on the other side of this break.
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will touch on the trade of the Jacksonville Jaguars between
them in the Carolina pathers. Did they make theirselves better
in Carolina or was this just you know, a move
made by someone who has familiarity with one from being
in Jacksonville. Yep, that would be Ben McAdoo. But we'll
touch on that in a little bit. But first, let's
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talk about this Lamar Jackson situation. Q. Now, there's a
situation that that has been ensuing because well, everybody wants
to know when Lamar Jackson will get this well done
lead the lot. Lamar Jackson maybe have has given one
of the most interesting responses in in social media form
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to all of the all of the claims that that
you know are are surrounding and swirling around about Lamar Jackson.
What did he have to say about these these claims
of what he's got going on with his contract situation.
That's right, Understandably, ends are a little confused. One fan
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on Twitter went on on the platform to say, give
that man the two million guaranteed before you write a check.
Your ass can't catch. Another fan tweeted at him, saying
they already offered that, to which Lamar decided to clear
the air and responded, no, they did not. I'm not
liking the fact that he's he's reading through his timeline
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to look for the stuff. Now, look, maybe he has
someone else who controls it, so so maybe it's a
little different. Maybe he's not distracted by it. But um one, look,
we don't know the whole truth of that. That's why
I keep going back to there is a reason why
agents exist. They do provide values to athletes. And by
the way, it doesn't have to be an agent. You know,
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you can hire an attorney for an hourly rate or
just hiring for a specific series period of time for
a set rate. Agents We even do that nowadays, where
they won't charge you a fee every single year of
the contract. They'll just charge you a fee upfront, and
it's a more economical way of doing that. So it's
still a bit confusing why he hasn't gone this route,
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and in part because again he doesn't have to speak
through social media. Two people's responses, you know, who are
tagging him. You know, he can just speak directly to
the media to the team, have someone out there who's
constantly advocating for them him and earning that percentage as
they're trying to negotiate his deal. Um, you know, look,
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it's it's it's a complicated process only Lamar and obviously
the team knows what's been offering, what's been discussed. But
I just I find that interesting that you know, there
hasn't been an offer that has been good enough up
to this point for him to want to take that
sort of I guess injury risk off the table. I mean,
we're talking about, Yeah, he's not gonna get two fifty
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you know million total guaranteed. You know, I don't. I
don't know what quarterbacks going to. I mean, it seemed
like that really is more safe for a situation of desperation,
and I don't think the Baltimore Ravens are in that
right now. So, you know, could he get a hundred
fifty million guaranteed? Sure? And if he has been offered
anywhere around that, it's shocking to think that you wouldn't
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sign up for that. I mean, look, I know it's
not resetting the quarterback market, but my goodness, like that's
not good enough. I don't know, man, it would be
it would be hard for me to turn down that
sort of money given the point and time that he's
in in his current contract, his style of play, and
just even experiencing some injuries last year like that, I think,
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would might you know, almost force me or push me
to say, yeah, this contract is good enough and I'll
reevaluate here in three years, you know, once we get in,
once we get into this contract, I mean, do you
see a different LaVar I would? I would say I've
been in several situations where I felt at the point
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in time where I did a contract negotiation that I
was and this might sound crazy because it's kind of
a long time ago, but I felt like I was
at the top of my my my position, Like I
don't I didn't see there being anyone It could be debatable,
but you know, and and and O one, O two
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oh three, I would debate that I was the best linebacker,
one of the best in the game. And and so
when we were doing in contract negotiations, contract discussions, I
I certainly wanted to be either a market resetter or
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or one market market value in terms of the standard
of what my accomplishments represented. I can't even imagine what
I would feel if I had gotten a Defensive Player
of the Year award, let alone the m v P award.
I don't I don't even know what I would be thinking,
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and and I would I would most likely look at,
you know, the people that was negotiating my my agents,
the you know, the negotiators for the for the team,
and I would I would ultimately let them know that
if you're looking at these other people that are connected
to me in this and in my position, and you're
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looking at what I've accomplished versus what they've accomplished, I'm
using them. I Am going to use them as my
my barometer. I'm going to use them as my measuring
stick as to how you value me. So, while I
I agree one with what you're saying, I also would
say if if Lamar Jackson is looking at where the
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market is and where the market has been set, and
he's comparing what his accomplishments are and what he believes
his seiling is based off of where you know, what
what players he has around them or whatever the variables
he's bringing to the table if he believes that that
number should be higher for one reason or another. I don't.
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I don't feel as though that's egregious if he doesn't
take an offer that is, you know, in the hundred
and fifty million range that's guaranteed. Fully, I just think
that maybe you know, I don't know. I don't. I
can't say for certain what he's thinking if he wants
a long term deal that is a blockbuster deal, or
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if it's a short term deal. But I guess it
depends on how he feels about the city, and it
appears that he wants to stay there. So if he
wants to stay there, I would assume he wants a
long term deal. And if he wants a long term deal,
I would assume he would want to reset the market.
Now how close to the Shawn Watson that is or
in guarantees, I don't know, Q, But I know for me,
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I would want to reset the market or at least
be close right there at it with with my peers
that they would considered to be the ones who are
getting paid the most and considered the best at the position.
You know that the tough part about it is honously.
We have no insight whatsoever to what's being offered, and
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usually we're agents kind of coming to play, and maybe
this is something that you know, you've got to be
careful of as a player, because now if you're a player,
then you get that tag as a guy who's you know,
got his sources, he's he's you know, I'm not gonna
say a rat and something like that, but you know,
then the then the team's gonna become very very weary
of you when things don't go well. You capable of
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if you're putting our personal business out, you're you're compromising
the integrity of of our you know, of our negotiations,
and that's coming direct to you as the player. You
don't want that reputation and and so it kind of
goes back to the original point of just having an agent,
having someone who can can take that for you. You know,
if it does get leaked out, also me, you know,
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if it's my agent Joe talked about him, you know,
go take it up with him like, yeah, I'm mad
at me leaked it out too. Man. You can say
whatever you want at that point because you have someone
to blame. You've got that intermediary, you get that filter right,
and there's on honestly to a degree to I think
a lot of times the negotiations, you know, people get emotional,
and when you're talking about business, and especially a business
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that involves you, like your work ethic, your accomplishments, everything else,
people start to take it really personal. And it's hard
because it's hard to differentiate what really is good for
the business and it's good for you personally, because when
you're your own business, it's one of the same, like
what's good for my business is good for me if
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I'm Lamar Jackson. And so then it becomes having it
becomes difficult having those conversations where you know they might
be saying, well, you know, look at these numbers, and
this is where we feel like you are as comparison
to other quarterbacks who signed contract extensions, whether it's Aaron
Rodgers or Deshaun Watson whoever else. You know, the team
is always gonna have reasons why you shouldn't be paid more, right,
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and you're gonna try to provide them with the reasons
why you should be paid more. Now everyone's gonna use
Deshaun Watson at his contract as a case of Hey,
here's why we should be doing this. But every team
in the NFL that's redoing their quarterbacks deal is probably
looking at them going, we're not doing that deal. We're
not Jimmy Haslm and d Haslm who are desperate, We're
not them. And so we're not gonna put all our
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eggs and that sort of basket and do a deal
that we don't think is fair to our team and
to our team's ability to compete in the future. And
so then what is your conversation, what is your recourse?
And and that's the hard part is again it gets emotional,
get it gets emotional, and so you know, Lamar could
be putting up walls because he's been offered something that
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you know he doesn't feel is in the ballpark of
what Deshaun Watson's deal is. And look, I agree with
him if that's what his his stances is saying I
should be paid more than de Shaun Watson. I wholeheartedly agree.
Lamar has been more accomplished. I think at point I
have a better feeling idea of what he is as
a quarterback. And and and you know, if he's gonna win
a football game or not in comparison to the two
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and so I I don't disagree with him. The problem
is that you're not gonna find that unique scenario. You know,
he's their market for that in a different market. If
he if he bets on himself and he has a
great year this year, I mean, Baltimore isn't going to
let him go. If he has a good year, they'll
tag him, right So if that becomes the idea of
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the situation, then now you're talking about they could tag
him again as well, like a year out from that
as well. This this could ultimately drag out, which I
think kind of in a weird type of way, goes
back to your original point is if you can get
a hundred and fifty some million dollars guaranteed and and
maybe not for as long you know, then you you
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probably should entertain that because you're talking about potentially what
three years removed from right now before you could actually
go test the open market and get get what it is.
I mean that market that that average might go up
kind of crazy for the franchise tag, but it's not
gonna be nowhere near the type of guarantees you would
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have if you took Wander and fifty million guaranteed, right, right,
I mean so, I mean I I'm looking at this
the right way. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I
just here's the thing is, we don't know where. We
can only speculate because we don't know a lot of
the details. And that's that's the tough part is Like
I would love to take Lamar side and all of this,
you know, I really would, but I also don't know
what's been put out there. The Baltimore Ravens don't seem
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like Eneric to Costa, their general manager. They don't seem
like an organization that doesn't want to do right by
their players. I feel like more often than not, you
you you see them do right, whether it's the contracts,
the way they handle themselves. Very similar to what we
talked about opening the show with Jimmy Garoppo and San Francisco.
John Lynch, since he's gotten there, has been the standard
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with the way he's gone about trying to make sure
guys have opportunities, are happy. You know, he's able to
get them, you know, you know, contracts, etcetera. I mean,
they're able to make it way and make it work.
And they did that with Jimmy g Baltimore strikes me
as a very similar organization in that sense. You can't
say that for every organization, but they do seem to
be that that that type of organization. So I look
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at this and go, I'm not sure what the disconnect is,
you know, I'm not sure if it's just a few
sticking points that you know, Lamar is gonna hold Baltimore too,
and then you know, play this thing out like Dad
did with the Dallas Cowboys and make them ultimately pay.
But that's I mean, that's that's a that's a rare
circumstance you find yourself in, and and and Dac was
lucky because he had an ownership group that was still
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willing to believe in him even though he got hurt
that year. I mean, remember that, Like he got off
to a great start, but then he gets hurt and
he's still able to negotiate that contract. Like, if that
happens to Lamar, you look at him differently, because if
he gets hurt and has a tear will injury, you
don't know if he's gonna come back and be the
same type of dynamic player you might think he's going
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to be, but you don't know for sure. And so
you see him come back and so that's the risk
is obviously that he takes. Is that injury risk that
I think would impact him even more so than some
other quarterbacks out there? All right, super quick Q the
trade leviscus Cho, you know they they traded the Carolina
Panthers traded for him to get him from acquiring him
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from the Jaguars. Uh, it's looking like um was the
seventh round pick. I believe that that's connected to it.
But the Panthers are pretty pretty deep with you know,
with receivers with d J. Moore, Robby Anderson, Rich Shard Higgins. Um.
They even have uh, what is a terrorist Marshall Jr.
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Uh And and you could actually throw Christian McCaffrey into
the mix up saying he's a receiver as well. Um.
But Ben McAdoo obviously is connected to Chenault UM at
his time and in Jacksonville. Is this a dark horse
move to to to you know, put put him in
position to be a weapon for Baker Mayfield or is
(29:13):
this just someone you add for depth and he's there
just to have no Like, I think he's gonna be
a contributor. Like I think this is more damning to
what they feel like they don't have so far. Maybe
in Terris Marshall or Richard Higgins, who they who they
signed this offseason. I think has more to do with
that um and then them trying to find that unique
(29:34):
type player that is good with the football in his
hands after the catch. You know, Channel was has been
probably one of the more reliable players in Jacksonville since
he was drafted there. And you know, with the new
regime and Doug Peterson probably just didn't really really feel
what they were looking at doing. But you know, now
with with Dj Moore, you know, being that number one
(29:55):
wide receiver, Robby Anderson with the elite speed, and Levisca Chanel,
you've got three guys who've got experience and I think
who Baker Mayfield can rely on and Ben McAdoo can
construct some uh, you know, interesting ways of getting those
guys to football. I mean, Chenault, you almost runs like
a running back when he gets the football in his hands.
So you talked about Christianfrey. He's a big boy. He's
(30:20):
like he's built like a running back. And so you
you talked about McCaffrey being a part of it. It's
like you can start doing some really interesting things with
that backfield where you might even have him back there
with McCaffrey and you've got him doing some different things. So, uh, look,
I like this move for the Panthers, you know, I think,
I mean, the the only odd thing to me is
was Jackson were really gonna cut him. I mean, he
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had another year left on his deal. Um, you know,
he's only played a couple of years in the league.
He would have counted I want to say, you know,
a few million maybe in dead cap had they just
outright released him. So it was just it was odd
to me that, you know, they were gonna move on,
which I assume that's what the the tent was here,
is that they were just gonna basically say, hey, you're
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not a good fit for what we're trying to do now.
But bottom line is creator pastors for Leviska Channel, and
I think another reason why people should be a little
higher on what Carolina can do this year. Alright, Well,
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Who's first up? We all have our moments in time
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right but then it went wrong afterwards. Who Who's up?
Who's up? He's got to have a story. Well, I
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actually do have one, you guys. Something you said last week,
Brady actually struck a nerve with me. You had been
talking about couches falling into the ocean something along those lines. Yes, Well,
I have been waiting on my couch for three months,
you guys, I've I've been I've literally been sitting on
inflatable pool toys in my living room. And my couch
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(33:34):
Where the toys or inflatable something. Now it's a real
nice couch. I'm I'm real happy with it. But but
the guys didn't come. The delivery guys came at like
nine o'clock at night, and so one of the guys asked, Hey,
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if he's gonna gonna just absolutely paint your entire bathroom,
what was that a fart? I don't, I don't think.
Tell us we're talking about number one, not number two.
Number one. You always gotta go in number You gotta
let one rip also, you know you ripped it in.
But serious, if he's gonna pay your entire bathroom with
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number one after just I don't, I don't know. It's
just downd right, disrespectful. I'm happy with the couch at least,
you know what, Yeah, at least you're happy with the couch.
And and you can disinfect your your bathroom, right, So
so no harm, no foul, right, disinfect amongst other things. Um,
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got three kids, and with three kids comes a lot
of toys. And I don't know if if you guys
can relate, but my kids do not pick up their
toys as much as they should. And I was walking
last night. I was turning off one of the lights.
One of the bed rooms turned off the light, and
I was of walking. I step on what I feel
(35:25):
like you could only be a bear trap, because it
hurts so damn bad. And I've literally had this toy
lodged in my foot and so it was this like
watch with this spinning thing on top that broke off,
and so now I've got this like sharted piece of
plastics stuck in my foot. And I was like, good god,
(35:46):
how is this possible that a toy could be that dangerous?
Obviously not not really operating out I was supposed to.
But I mean, I don't know if you all can
relate to that, But that was that that that hurts
about its bad. I've still it from that last night.
I'm not gonna say I've gotten a shard of broken
toy into my foot. But I certainly have almost torn
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an a c L, messed up an achilles tendon or worse,
maybe even you know, messed up a patelo tendant from
walking and not seeing um certain toys in the middle
of the of the floor. In fact, one time I
was walking to go to work to come in and
do the radio show, and you know, you're halfway sleep
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and and a scooter was left at the bottom of
the stairs. So it was almost like a home alone
type moment. It was like it was like a booby
trap and on and on everything. I don't know how
I didn't see it, but I hit it and I
stepped on it, and I went up, like landed on
my back. Had to get a roll up. You know,
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you don't pop up anymore at this age. I had
to roll over and uh and get up off the
ground and brush myself. Often be upset that that the
kid left left the scooter right where somebody could get hurt,
and and I was the one that was the recipient
that day. Yeah, so that is a pet peeve for certain.
Put your toys away away. Just put your toys away.
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but first a cute you know. We we gotta start
off by saying that we're talking about college teams and
college deals, and Jonas was who was still out for today.
He'll be back tomorrow. Everyone, No, don't, don't lose your
cool on this. But you know, his Rainbow Warriors, they
took it on the chain and we talked a little
(01:22):
bit about it in the first hour, so you know,
you know, I want to send some some positive thoughts
and positive energy because I know that that had Jonas
somewhere in a corner, curled up in the fetal position
with his thumb in his mouth, feeling really bad about
what what had happened with his Rainbow Warriors. Man. Yeah, look,
(01:45):
Timmy Chang's taking over that program, and clearly he's got
a lot to uh, a lot to build on there.
There's no doubt about it, especially considering you know, all
the transfers that left. I mean, you're starting quarterback Leaves goes.
The center's a state, which I don't think that's an
upgrade from where you're at, UM, but it was more
telling I think of the previous coaching staff in the
(02:06):
situation they were in, uh and so that that was
just a depleted roster and program right now. But I
do think Timmy Chang we'll bring them back up. Um,
but this is one where looking I think it was
a good sign for Vanderbilt. You know, it's not often
you know, you're able to see them get a win
like that and that sort of offensive production. So, uh,
(02:26):
kudos to them. I thought that they've got something in
uh their young quarterback who literally Mike Mike right both
on the ground through the air was pretty productive. So um,
you know, maybe they can start to build that program
back up to be a little more competitive when it's Vanderbilt.
Not really sure who you could pare like the Jake
Cutler days and I'm not really sure like what you're
(02:47):
what you're sealing is, but um, they at least could
be a team that I think beats that like three.
I think they're the over under a set of three
three and a half games this year. I think they're
well on their way to four wins maybe maybe maybe
five wins at best this year for Vanderbilt. Well, I'll
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there was some interesting pressers and your guys, you know,
Jim Harball and Brian Kelly. Now you were just talking
about the quarterback leaving for San Jose from Hawaii. Well,
Jim Harball and Brian Kelly had some things to say
about the quarterback situations for their schools, and well, I
(03:51):
would not be able to do it any justice without
us being able to listen to it and react to it. First,
let's take a listen to Jim Harball. It's a process
for me to stay staying up. I mean, no person,
I mean that's biblical. No person knows what the future holds.
And um, it's process and gonna be based on performance.
You know, both both have been tremendous uh quarterbacks. We
(04:15):
think that that both can are capable of leading our
team to a championship. So I mean, that's that's good.
We're gonna keep cultivating that. And people have asked, you know,
is that you know, what how did you come to
that decision, and you know it was it based on
some kind of uh NFL model. No, it's mean, it's
really it's based based biblical you know Solomon he was
(04:38):
known for being a pretty pretty wise person. Uh, I mean,
what the hell? I mean, have me let me know
what you're feeling. It's almost like Jim Harbaugh is playing
a different game than we are. Like he he's had
a two quarterback you know, scenario going on right now,
(04:58):
and so instead of now people focusing on that, they're like,
what the hell did he just say that? He just
say biblical? Like now I'm trying to figure out what
Jim Harball was even saying and all of that, and
so people instead focus on what Harbaugh says as opposed
to the fact that this is a Michigan team that
won the Big Ten last year. I went to the
College Football Playoff, and I think, look as recruited well,
(05:21):
has developed well. Some people are high, there's kind of
mixed opinions, some people are low on this team. I
personally think they'll be in contention again for the Big Ten.
I think they could be that good, but to not
be able to either anoint Kade McNamara as your starter,
given what he was able to do last year for you,
or just say, hey, we feel like J. J. McCarthy
(05:43):
gives us the best chance and and I'm bleeding more
to the younger buck in McCarthy for this reason. If
you're trying to find ways of putting the younger guy
on the field, isn't that telling you something? I mean,
you're trying to do right by Kade McNamara because he
hasn't necessarily done anything wrong. But I think Michigan fans
would tell you there's a ceiling there. He's not as
(06:06):
athletic as J. J. McCarthy. He's probably not, you know,
as we're gonna find out as the season plays out
and the rest of J. J. McCarthy's career, probably not
as accurate of a pastor either or as good of
a pastor as I think McCarthy can be and will be.
So to me, I think they're missing out on a
potential shot of, you know, being able to not only
be good this year but down the road by starting
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the J. J. McCarthy era. So look, he's sidestepping in.
It's a little bit you know, odd to me too,
that Hardball would do this, only because he has a
former quarterback. You know, he's a guy who's been through
it himself. I would think he'd want his team to
have clarity, you know. And I understand from a coaching standboy,
you can say, well, hey, we've gotta have guys who
are ready in a backup who's right now? Yeah, that's fine.
(06:49):
But to sit there and say, like, you can't name
one of these two guys the starter for the season
and make a change if you have to make a change,
I mean, I'm not you know, I'm not sure if
it's a byproduct transfer portal and coaches being so scared
nowadays to announce a guy because they don't really have to,
and that guy just end up and putting his name
in the transfer portal, and there will be a lot
(07:11):
of people who want Jage McCarthy's services. So it's just
the whole thing is odd to me. I have a
tad bit of a different take on this, all right.
I think if he wants to run with the biblical,
the biblical approach to this queue, bear with me for
a second. Hair, you you do know who King Solomon is,
(07:34):
the son of right, if you know, in biblical terms
and in the Old Testament. He is the son of David,
King David. That's right now when you think about this
and biblical terms, we do not know what the future holds.
And when King David was faced with UH fighting the Philistines,
(07:57):
I believe, if my my my memory and my recollection
serves me correctly, they had a daunting task of fighting
UH a land of people that were well giants. And
so I start to think to myself, is John Harball
sending out a cryptic message that he plans on winning
(08:21):
the national title this year and against all lots, doesn't
matter which quarterback he uses. What he does know is
that he is actually going to handle his business as
a college coach, and his players are going to handle
their business as as college players against teams like say,
(08:43):
Ohio State ha ha, who happened to be the Phillis
thinks of the Big Ten, you're going there, maybe there
are more giants to slay once you make it to
of the college football playoff. That would be my take
on this one. Cue Brady, And I just think that
(09:06):
that might be he might be thinking in those terms
versus anything else. What say you, yeah, I mean that
that's that's definitely a possibility, There's no doubt. I mean,
the thing that I wonder is, do you think Jim
Harbaugh like gave a lot of thoughts how he was
gonna answer this question or do you think it just
kind of came off the top of his head. I
(09:28):
think he, knowing, knowing how he has been through the years,
he gave this some thought because he knew he was
going to have to answer questions about his quarterbacks. I
must say he gave it some thought. But I just
don't know how deep he went into the thought process
of it. But I certainly believe that he wasn't just
(09:49):
just you know, freestyle, and I definitely believe he gave
it a little bit of thought or maybe had just been,
you know, reading books in the Bible, or had did
a I don't know how guys come out and they
feel empowered and inspired after they do a little Bible study.
You know a lot of coaches are into doing Bible
study because you know, it just keeps you grounded, manages
(10:11):
to stress different things like that. I would assume, you know,
that's my thing, you know. But all right, now that
was that was John Harball. But here's what Brian Kelly
had here's how Brian Kelly handled the quarterback situation. Take
a listen. Certainly, I think everybody here wants to know
who the quarterback is. I get that, But I think
it's a tactical advantage for us not to announce it. Okay, okay,
(10:38):
advantage and who does else you play this week? Yeah,
I'm just speaking. I was saying, like, what, what's what's
what's supposed to be your tactical advantage against Florida? What's that?
They got Florida State coming up? Don't they? Uh? They do?
I didn't, I didn't. I wasn't. I mean, I'm not
(11:00):
sure that like Florida State is not going to figure
this outcome pregame warm ups right and and and being
able to determine who that's going to be. But they,
I mean, I don't know. I guess they're that concerned
about Florida State already got a nice win, and they
they obviously know who their starters are in their scheme is.
But I just kind of sit there and look at
and go, are you that concerned about like being able
(11:22):
to beat Florida State? I mean, you just left the
program that I don't know. The whole thing is kind
of interesting, you know, because I always feel like when
you don't want to announce a quarterback, you know, you're
only given that team. What maybe they you don't think
they're preparing for both anyway, And if there's not, there's
not drastically a difference between your what your offense is
(11:42):
gonna be between the two, what does it matter? You know?
You know Jaden Dan's was a new quarterback from Arizona State,
not a different roster, different scheme. You don't know what
they're gonna do with them. It's a new head coach,
so you don't know how the scheme is gonna look
compared to last year. You know, whether it's it's Nuss Meyer,
um or or Daniels. I just I always think there's
a lot made of this. I think it's better for
(12:03):
your team, which I apparently has told the team so
they they know, but not analysis everyone else. It's just
I don't know. I don't think it's it brings as
much of an advantage as people think when it's all
when it's all said and done, Yeah, I tend to
agree with you on this one. And listen, tactical advantage,
I mean, it is what it is in college. I mean,
(12:27):
I think more often than not, it's it's always going
to be you know, you know, the players over to
XS and the ohs and and and he's got a
he's got a wealth of talent there at l s U.
So he can play at COY if he wants to,
and he can actually you know, undersell it or understate it.
I think he knows he's probably got a pretty good
(12:48):
team sitting there and bat Rouge and and that's just
kind of you know, it's almost like that that whole thing,
you know. Living in California, Q, I've learned, uh what
passive aggressive really really really looks and sounds like. Um,
I don't know where where Brian Kelly is from originally,
but I'll tell you what that was probably passive aggressive
(13:09):
as a coach in a press conference, you know, from Austin, Oh, Boston, Okay.
I would think that they are pretty pretty straightforward and
how they kind of they probably shoot from the hip.
I wouldn't give them passive aggressive in Boston, but I'll
say this tactical advantage. Tactical I don't know, I think
(13:30):
it's a TapIt passive aggressive, but you know what, it's
probably him saying in code, we are going to beat
the crap out of Florida State. And it really doesn't
matter who I name as my starting quarterback. I just
believe that we're going to go into this game and
we're gonna want these dudes because that's just where we're
at and that's just where Florida State is right now.
(13:50):
But it would be interesting to see if Florida State
has a great showing against l s U and and
if if statements like tactical advantage make uh its way
back to uh Brian Kelly after the game, it'd be interesting. Well,
if they don't win, that tactical advantages are gonna look
like much of anything. So yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, well,
(14:13):
you know what, from one tactical advantage to another cue uh,
We're gonna take a quick break. But I mean, is
the tactical advantage of the Baltimore Ravens maybe uh backfiring
on them. We'll have some interesting comments about what Lamar
Jackson had to say on the other side of this break.
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(14:54):
will touch on the trade of the Jacksonville Jaguars between
them in the Carolina pathers. Did they make theirselves better
in Carolina or was this just you know, a move
made by someone who has familiarity with one from being
in Jacksonville. Yep, that would be Ben McAdoo. But we'll
touch on that in a little bit. But first, let's
(15:17):
talk about this Lamar Jackson situation. Q. Now, there's a
situation that that has been ensuing because well, everybody wants
to know when Lamar Jackson will get this well done
lead the lot. Lamar Jackson maybe have has given one
of the most interesting responses in in social media form
(15:41):
to all of the all of the claims that that
you know are are surrounding and swirling around about Lamar Jackson.
What did he have to say about these these claims
of what he's got going on with his contract situation.
That's right, Understandably, ends are a little confused. One fan
(16:01):
on Twitter went on on the platform to say, give
that man the two million guaranteed before you write a check.
Your ass can't catch. Another fan tweeted at him, saying
they already offered that, to which Lamar decided to clear
the air and responded, no, they did not. I'm not
liking the fact that he's he's reading through his timeline
(16:24):
to look for the stuff. Now, look, maybe he has
someone else who controls it, so so maybe it's a
little different. Maybe he's not distracted by it. But um one, look,
we don't know the whole truth of that. That's why
I keep going back to there is a reason why
agents exist. They do provide values to athletes. And by
the way, it doesn't have to be an agent. You know,
(16:47):
you can hire an attorney for an hourly rate or
just hiring for a specific series period of time for
a set rate. Agents We even do that nowadays, where
they won't charge you a fee every single year of
the contract. They'll just charge you a fee upfront, and
it's a more economical way of doing that. So it's
still a bit confusing why he hasn't gone this route,
(17:08):
and in part because again he doesn't have to speak
through social media. Two people's responses, you know, who are
tagging him. You know, he can just speak directly to
the media to the team, have someone out there who's
constantly advocating for them him and earning that percentage as
they're trying to negotiate his deal. Um, you know, look,
(17:29):
it's it's it's a complicated process only Lamar and obviously
the team knows what's been offering, what's been discussed. But
I just I find that interesting that you know, there
hasn't been an offer that has been good enough up
to this point for him to want to take that
sort of I guess injury risk off the table. I mean,
we're talking about, Yeah, he's not gonna get two fifty
(17:51):
you know million total guaranteed. You know, I don't. I
don't know what quarterbacks going to. I mean, it seemed
like that really is more safe for a situation of desperation,
and I don't think the Baltimore Ravens are in that
right now. So, you know, could he get a hundred
fifty million guaranteed? Sure? And if he has been offered
anywhere around that, it's shocking to think that you wouldn't
(18:14):
sign up for that. I mean, look, I know it's
not resetting the quarterback market, but my goodness, like that's
not good enough. I don't know, man, it would be
it would be hard for me to turn down that
sort of money given the point and time that he's
in in his current contract, his style of play, and
just even experiencing some injuries last year like that, I think,
(18:36):
would might you know, almost force me or push me
to say, yeah, this contract is good enough and I'll
reevaluate here in three years, you know, once we get in,
once we get into this contract, I mean, do you
see a different LaVar I would? I would say I've
been in several situations where I felt at the point
(18:57):
in time where I did a contract negotiation that I
was and this might sound crazy because it's kind of
a long time ago, but I felt like I was
at the top of my my my position, Like I
don't I didn't see there being anyone It could be debatable,
but you know, and and and O one, O two
(19:19):
oh three, I would debate that I was the best linebacker,
one of the best in the game. And and so
when we were doing in contract negotiations, contract discussions, I
I certainly wanted to be either a market resetter or
(19:40):
or one market market value in terms of the standard
of what my accomplishments represented. I can't even imagine what
I would feel if I had gotten a Defensive Player
of the Year award, let alone the m v P award.
I don't I don't even know what I would be thinking,
(20:01):
and and I would I would most likely look at,
you know, the people that was negotiating my my agents,
the you know, the negotiators for the for the team,
and I would I would ultimately let them know that
if you're looking at these other people that are connected
to me in this and in my position, and you're
(20:22):
looking at what I've accomplished versus what they've accomplished, I'm
using them. I Am going to use them as my
my barometer. I'm going to use them as my measuring
stick as to how you value me. So, while I
I agree one with what you're saying, I also would
say if if Lamar Jackson is looking at where the
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market is and where the market has been set, and
he's comparing what his accomplishments are and what he believes
his seiling is based off of where you know, what
what players he has around them or whatever the variables
he's bringing to the table if he believes that that
number should be higher for one reason or another. I don't.
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I don't feel as though that's egregious if he doesn't
take an offer that is, you know, in the hundred
and fifty million range that's guaranteed. Fully, I just think
that maybe you know, I don't know. I don't. I
can't say for certain what he's thinking if he wants
a long term deal that is a blockbuster deal, or
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if it's a short term deal. But I guess it
depends on how he feels about the city, and it
appears that he wants to stay there. So if he
wants to stay there, I would assume he wants a
long term deal. And if he wants a long term deal,
I would assume he would want to reset the market.
Now how close to the Shawn Watson that is or
in guarantees, I don't know, Q, But I know for me,
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I would want to reset the market or at least
be close right there at it with with my peers
that they would considered to be the ones who are
getting paid the most and considered the best at the position.
You know that the tough part about it is honously.
We have no insight whatsoever to what's being offered, and
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usually we're agents kind of coming to play, and maybe
this is something that you know, you've got to be
careful of as a player, because now if you're a player,
then you get that tag as a guy who's you know,
got his sources, he's he's you know, I'm not gonna
say a rat and something like that, but you know,
then the then the team's gonna become very very weary
of you when things don't go well. You capable of
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if you're putting our personal business out, you're you're compromising
the integrity of of our you know, of our negotiations,
and that's coming direct to you as the player. You
don't want that reputation and and so it kind of
goes back to the original point of just having an agent,
having someone who can can take that for you. You know,
if it does get leaked out, also me, you know,
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if it's my agent Joe talked about him, you know,
go take it up with him like, yeah, I'm mad
at me leaked it out too. Man. You can say
whatever you want at that point because you have someone
to blame. You've got that intermediary, you get that filter right,
and there's on honestly to a degree to I think
a lot of times the negotiations, you know, people get emotional,
and when you're talking about business, and especially a business
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that involves you, like your work ethic, your accomplishments, everything else,
people start to take it really personal. And it's hard
because it's hard to differentiate what really is good for
the business and it's good for you personally, because when
you're your own business, it's one of the same, like
what's good for my business is good for me if
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I'm Lamar Jackson. And so then it becomes having it
becomes difficult having those conversations where you know they might
be saying, well, you know, look at these numbers, and
this is where we feel like you are as comparison
to other quarterbacks who signed contract extensions, whether it's Aaron
Rodgers or Deshaun Watson whoever else. You know, the team
is always gonna have reasons why you shouldn't be paid more, right,
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and you're gonna try to provide them with the reasons
why you should be paid more. Now everyone's gonna use
Deshaun Watson at his contract as a case of Hey,
here's why we should be doing this. But every team
in the NFL that's redoing their quarterbacks deal is probably
looking at them going, we're not doing that deal. We're
not Jimmy Haslm and d Haslm who are desperate, We're
not them. And so we're not gonna put all our
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eggs and that sort of basket and do a deal
that we don't think is fair to our team and
to our team's ability to compete in the future. And
so then what is your conversation, what is your recourse?
And and that's the hard part is again it gets emotional,
get it gets emotional, and so you know, Lamar could
be putting up walls because he's been offered something that
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you know he doesn't feel is in the ballpark of
what Deshaun Watson's deal is. And look, I agree with
him if that's what his his stances is saying I
should be paid more than de Shaun Watson. I wholeheartedly agree.
Lamar has been more accomplished. I think at point I
have a better feeling idea of what he is as
a quarterback. And and and you know, if he's gonna win
a football game or not in comparison to the two
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and so I I don't disagree with him. The problem
is that you're not gonna find that unique scenario. You know,
he's their market for that in a different market. If
he if he bets on himself and he has a
great year this year, I mean, Baltimore isn't going to
let him go. If he has a good year, they'll
tag him, right So if that becomes the idea of
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the situation, then now you're talking about they could tag
him again as well, like a year out from that
as well. This this could ultimately drag out, which I
think kind of in a weird type of way, goes
back to your original point is if you can get
a hundred and fifty some million dollars guaranteed and and
maybe not for as long you know, then you you
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probably should entertain that because you're talking about potentially what
three years removed from right now before you could actually
go test the open market and get get what it is.
I mean that market that that average might go up
kind of crazy for the franchise tag, but it's not
gonna be nowhere near the type of guarantees you would
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have if you took Wander and fifty million guaranteed, right, right,
I mean so, I mean I I'm looking at this
the right way. Yeah, I think so. I mean, I
just here's the thing is, we don't know where. We
can only speculate because we don't know a lot of
the details. And that's that's the tough part is Like
I would love to take Lamar side and all of this,
you know, I really would, but I also don't know
what's been put out there. The Baltimore Ravens don't seem
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like Eneric to Costa, their general manager. They don't seem
like an organization that doesn't want to do right by
their players. I feel like more often than not, you
you you see them do right, whether it's the contracts,
the way they handle themselves. Very similar to what we
talked about opening the show with Jimmy Garoppo and San Francisco.
John Lynch, since he's gotten there, has been the standard
(27:01):
with the way he's gone about trying to make sure
guys have opportunities, are happy. You know, he's able to
get them, you know, you know, contracts, etcetera. I mean,
they're able to make it way and make it work.
And they did that with Jimmy g Baltimore strikes me
as a very similar organization in that sense. You can't
say that for every organization, but they do seem to
be that that that type of organization. So I look
(27:23):
at this and go, I'm not sure what the disconnect is,
you know, I'm not sure if it's just a few
sticking points that you know, Lamar is gonna hold Baltimore too,
and then you know, play this thing out like Dad
did with the Dallas Cowboys and make them ultimately pay.
But that's I mean, that's that's a that's a rare
circumstance you find yourself in, and and and Dac was
lucky because he had an ownership group that was still
(27:45):
willing to believe in him even though he got hurt
that year. I mean, remember that, Like he got off
to a great start, but then he gets hurt and
he's still able to negotiate that contract. Like, if that
happens to Lamar, you look at him differently, because if
he gets hurt and has a tear will injury, you
don't know if he's gonna come back and be the
same type of dynamic player you might think he's going
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to be, but you don't know for sure. And so
you see him come back and so that's the risk
is obviously that he takes. Is that injury risk that
I think would impact him even more so than some
other quarterbacks out there? All right, super quick Q the
trade leviscus Cho, you know they they traded the Carolina
Panthers traded for him to get him from acquiring him
(28:29):
from the Jaguars. Uh, it's looking like um was the
seventh round pick. I believe that that's connected to it.
But the Panthers are pretty pretty deep with you know,
with receivers with d J. Moore, Robby Anderson, Rich Shard Higgins. Um.
They even have uh, what is a terrorist Marshall Jr.
(28:50):
Uh And and you could actually throw Christian McCaffrey into
the mix up saying he's a receiver as well. Um.
But Ben McAdoo obviously is connected to Chenault UM at
his time and in Jacksonville. Is this a dark horse
move to to to you know, put put him in
position to be a weapon for Baker Mayfield or is
(29:13):
this just someone you add for depth and he's there
just to have no Like, I think he's gonna be
a contributor. Like I think this is more damning to
what they feel like they don't have so far. Maybe
in Terris Marshall or Richard Higgins, who they who they
signed this offseason. I think has more to do with
that um and then them trying to find that unique
(29:34):
type player that is good with the football in his
hands after the catch. You know, Channel was has been
probably one of the more reliable players in Jacksonville since
he was drafted there. And you know, with the new
regime and Doug Peterson probably just didn't really really feel
what they were looking at doing. But you know, now
with with Dj Moore, you know, being that number one
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wide receiver, Robby Anderson with the elite speed, and Levisca Chanel,
you've got three guys who've got experience and I think
who Baker Mayfield can rely on and Ben McAdoo can
construct some uh, you know, interesting ways of getting those
guys to football. I mean, Chenault, you almost runs like
a running back when he gets the football in his hands.
So you talked about Christianfrey. He's a big boy. He's
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like he's built like a running back. And so you
you talked about McCaffrey being a part of it. It's
like you can start doing some really interesting things with
that backfield where you might even have him back there
with McCaffrey and you've got him doing some different things. So, uh, look,
I like this move for the Panthers, you know, I think,
I mean, the the only odd thing to me is
was Jackson were really gonna cut him. I mean, he
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had another year left on his deal. Um, you know,
he's only played a couple of years in the league.
He would have counted I want to say, you know,
a few million maybe in dead cap had they just
outright released him. So it was just it was odd
to me that, you know, they were gonna move on,
which I assume that's what the the tent was here,
is that they were just gonna basically say, hey, you're
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not a good fit for what we're trying to do now.
But bottom line is creator pastors for Leviska Channel, and
I think another reason why people should be a little
higher on what Carolina can do this year. Alright, Well,
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of it. Show to you and you know what, you
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Let's go after your sports recapp happens. So it's time
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to get the f S Are I all record? All right?
Who's first up? We all have our moments in time
where something may go wrong, or it may have gone
right but then it went wrong afterwards. Who Who's up?
Who's up? He's got to have a story. Well, I
(33:11):
actually do have one, you guys. Something you said last week,
Brady actually struck a nerve with me. You had been
talking about couches falling into the ocean something along those lines. Yes, Well,
I have been waiting on my couch for three months,
you guys, I've I've been I've literally been sitting on
inflatable pool toys in my living room. And my couch
finally showed up after three months. I was so excited.
(33:34):
Where the toys or inflatable something. Now it's a real
nice couch. I'm I'm real happy with it. But but
the guys didn't come. The delivery guys came at like
nine o'clock at night, and so one of the guys asked, Hey,
is alright if I use your restroom. Of course, yes,
of course you could use my restaurant. Did he blow
it up? Dude? Did not raise the toilet seat, and
it looked like a water made broken there hit the
(33:56):
whole thing. Maybe he's maybe is holding it a while,
and it's just that bladder was just you know, to go.
I mean, he did not care whatsoever. I was like,
I wonder what, I wonder what the damage is. And
it was worse tonight. You know, I was just gonna
compliment those guys for working late to you know, finish
the job delivering your couch, like still delivering, right, But
(34:19):
if he's gonna gonna just absolutely paint your entire bathroom,
what was that a fart? I don't, I don't think.
Tell us we're talking about number one, not number two.
Number one. You always gotta go in number You gotta
let one rip also, you know you ripped it in.
But serious, if he's gonna pay your entire bathroom with
(34:41):
number one after just I don't, I don't know. It's
just downd right, disrespectful. I'm happy with the couch at least,
you know what, Yeah, at least you're happy with the couch.
And and you can disinfect your your bathroom, right, So
so no harm, no foul, right, disinfect amongst other things. Um,
(35:02):
you know, I got a pet beef, all right. I
got three kids, and with three kids comes a lot
of toys. And I don't know if if you guys
can relate, but my kids do not pick up their
toys as much as they should. And I was walking
last night. I was turning off one of the lights.
One of the bed rooms turned off the light, and
I was of walking. I step on what I feel
(35:25):
like you could only be a bear trap, because it
hurts so damn bad. And I've literally had this toy
lodged in my foot and so it was this like
watch with this spinning thing on top that broke off,
and so now I've got this like sharted piece of
plastics stuck in my foot. And I was like, good god,
(35:46):
how is this possible that a toy could be that dangerous?
Obviously not not really operating out I was supposed to.
But I mean, I don't know if you all can
relate to that, But that was that that that hurts
about its bad. I've still it from that last night.
I'm not gonna say I've gotten a shard of broken
toy into my foot. But I certainly have almost torn
(36:09):
an a c L, messed up an achilles tendon or worse,
maybe even you know, messed up a patelo tendant from
walking and not seeing um certain toys in the middle
of the of the floor. In fact, one time I
was walking to go to work to come in and
do the radio show, and you know, you're halfway sleep
(36:31):
and and a scooter was left at the bottom of
the stairs. So it was almost like a home alone
type moment. It was like it was like a booby
trap and on and on everything. I don't know how
I didn't see it, but I hit it and I
stepped on it, and I went up, like landed on
my back. Had to get a roll up. You know,
(36:53):
you don't pop up anymore at this age. I had
to roll over and uh and get up off the
ground and brush myself. Often be upset that that the
kid left left the scooter right where somebody could get hurt,
and and I was the one that was the recipient
that day. Yeah, so that is a pet peeve for certain.
Put your toys away away. Just put your toys away.
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