August 30, 2022 • 38 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, LaVar Arrington and Brady Quinn think the pressure on Trey Lance may be too much now that Jimmy G is staying with the Niners. The guys give their takeaways from Week 0 in College Football including Scott Frost getting heat for calling an onside kick that preceded Nebraska’s crumble vs Northwestern. And In Case You Missed It, a documentary on “BS High,” more risky business in the cheap seats and getting stuck with the bill at team dinners.
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Welcome into the show. We got a lot of things
to get to today, but in moments we will get
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so we'll get the week zero takeaways pretty soon. But
right now, Jimmy t he's returning to the forty Niners
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at the moment restructuring, Uh, no trade clause restrictions and
choices and decisions. What was your takeaway when you saw
this first first reaction and then after you were able
to dissect the deal, what were your takeaways? Uh? The
biggest thing for me, LaVar was I think when you
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look at the NFL, you almost never see things work
out where like all parties involved actually are satisfied with
with a contract, with an agreement. UH, with a situation
like this, that was it's pretty awkward. I mean, the
reality is it was pretty awkward for a guy that
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Super Bowl. Uh, he took you to another NFC Championship
game in the only two seasons he's been fully healthy there,
and then you go draft a guy, you trade up
to draft a guy to replace him, and and now
you're like, yeah, but we want this guy to hang
around for another year. It was just it was really interesting,
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And I wonder if it was credit to the forty
Niners because remember they were trying to trade him right
after the season, like it was done deal, they had offers,
all stuff. Then the shoulder surgery came and then it's
almost like Jimmy Garoppolo kind of forced their hand and
it was like, no, to do this on my own terms.
So I think it's a really a really interesting case
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of a unique scenario where the team might have at
least in some ways in my mind, when I saw this,
with the way they redid this, they basically said to themselves,
all right, maybe we did Jimmy G a little dirty.
Let's try to do right by him. We're not sure
what we have in Trey Lance. He is good, He's
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looked good at times in San Francisco in the preseason
this year. I thought last year looked very green. But
why not keep around Jimmy G in case we need
him in the event of an injury, because we don't
have anyone right uh, in case we we we need
to you know, we're looking at Trey Lansco and here already.
Yet let's go on. We need to go on around
with Jimmy G. They're now position themselves to do all that,
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And I think Jimmy Garoppo is gonna be the second
third highest paid backup and has the opportunity to earn
significant can leave more money six six point five million guaranteed,
but another like nine million in playtime incentives that would
make it much more fruitful form if indeed he does play.
So this truly is a win win for both the
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forty niners and I think Jimmy g I think the
only awkward thing is now gonna be trade lance where
he doesn't play well. Now the pressure is on him. Man.
That was my first takeaway from the deal getting done.
This is I think this is we talked about all
these quarterbacks and we'll get to Lamar Jackson at some
point during the show, I would assume. But you know
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Baker Mayfield, you know he bet on himself going into
last season. This this restructuring says to me. It screams
I'm betting on myself and it could be a poker
match with with Garoppolo and his people, his representation. I mean,
I'm with you on not knowing what trade lance is
going to bring to the table in the regular season.
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We are now hitting down to business that the games
are going to begin to count. And you take this restructuring,
you take the pressure off of the franchise in terms
of how they're looking at you. You're favorable to not
only the franchise but to your future employer because this
says you know what, he's a sensible guy. He's he's
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a team guy. He's willing to do some things that
you know would probably offset in the gate what what
maybe would have seemingly been why did he go about
getting his shoulder surgery the way that he did. But
I gotta be honest with you, I'm not sold on
trade Lance. I haven't seen anything that would lead to
me believing that he's not going to have some stumbles
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and and some some hard moments. And now you have
a guy that you know has been the reason why
you have one as a head coach, you one as
an organization as of as of late, and he's on
He's sitting there right there. The players know him, the
coaches known, and the fan snow. I think this really
really creates a very very pressurized situation. And listen, I'm
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not a quarterback, so you could probably speak better to
it than I can. But I could only imagine if
I'm a top draft pick and I'm the top draft
pick that they brought in to replace you. And I
know people brought up the whole Montana you know Steve
Young deal. This is not a Montana Steve Young deal. Um,
we knew what Steve Young was because he had already
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played in the pros um not the NFL pros. But
we knew that he was going to be uh he
remember he was? Okay, Okay, I don't even remember him
in Tampa. I just remember him coming from the USFL.
Don't remember him the Tampa. Yeah, I don't even remember
him in Tampa. But but here's the point. We knew
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that the lefty was was a baller, and we knew
that the goat was the starter. I think it's a
very different scenario here. And I think this is I'll
tell you this, if trade lads performs and and keeps
that job, you gotta give him a ton of respect
for being able to do it, because I think that
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this creates a situation where if if he doesn't do well,
the amount of pressure that he will have on him,
or the amount of scrutiny because Garoppolo is sitting right there,
it may even be considered to be unfair. Yeah, it
definitely could be considering you know, how this could all
work out. But the reality is it is Trey Lance's
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team right now, and he's got the first crack at it.
They're doing everything they can to put everything else out
around him. I think I think Kyle Shanahan is gonna
create or construct an offense that's it's gonna look drastically different.
I think you see a little bit of that in preseason.
Not much, but still things that are gonna play the
Trey Lance's strengths, um, and I think they're gonna make
the most successful. So I'm not so worried about this.
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It's a one year deal. After this year, it clears
itself out. You know. I think it's interesting you bring
up Steve Young and Joe mont Hanna or other people
who have talked about that. So if you recall Steve
Young originally was drafted the Supplemantal Draft. Um. I honestly,
it's the first overall pick in the eighty four Sublemantal Draft.
But he did play two years with the Tampa Bay Bucks.
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Wasn't very good. I mean, first year through three picks,
state interceptions, completed his pass and then went one and
four of those games he started, and the next year's
two and twelve uh through for over two thousand yards
eight touchdowns, the thirteen interceptions completed a little bit more
percent his passes, but then he went to San Francisco,
and he was there for about the next I don't know,
five years, where he was just backup duty, right. It
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was it was spot duty here and they're starting a
few games, went two and one, uh, coming in too
and one the following year three and oh and you're
kind of going on down the list. He really didn't
play until he was thirty one years old, where he
got a shot to then be what everyone saw him
to be, where he was an all pro ino and
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he led the leagal of completion percentage all that. But
I think about that he entered the league at twenty four.
He never really was the guy until thirty one after
that time in Tampa, where then the rest of his career,
you know, really took off. And so you know, I
only bring that up because I think there's a lot
of different paths and a lot of different ways that
people can become successful. When a Super Bowl become that quarterback,
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we remember, we just we seldom realize or remember like
what the journey actually started off, like like you know,
usually usually we remember the hoisting up the Lombardi and
and we remember the good times, but we don't remember
the days after that, Like, hey, what did the career
look like at the end, Like I grew up at
Joe Montana fan, I remember the San Francisco Four Niners years,
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and look, he didn't have a bad career in Kansas City,
but it wasn't the same wars with the Four Niners,
and so yeah, it's it's that's usually how we remember
legends like that. So in this case with with Jimmy
g and Trey Lance, I think it's gonna be really interesting,
you know how this how this plays itself out, because
really for both players. I mean I think for Trey
Lance and the opportunity that he has now as a
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starter to potentially be the guy, but also for Jimmy
G because after this year, I mean one, he could
play a really key role allah of Nick Foles too.
Even if Trey Lance is playing well, one injury puts
you in a spot or you're leading a team to
the Super Bowl maybe winning it, and then if not,
after this year, he's gonna have an opportunity to go
somewhere else and play. And I think when healthy Jimmy
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Jimmy Garoppolo is a top half of the league quarterback
that there will be a market for for his you know,
his ability. I think it was his contract and probably
the injury that held him off from being you know,
trade bat at least at that point in time this season.
So no matter how you cut it up, it's gonna
be fun to see what happens in San Francisco this
You're not just the quarterback situation, but the team and
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I think that division too, to see if the Rams
can repeat or if the San Francisco forty nine can
kind of get back to where they were a few
years ago. Definitely a competitive division, and it will be
interesting to see if trade Land is able to keep
them on pace with what's going on in the NFC West.
All Right, we'll see how that goes. Uh, you know
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the Pathers, they made a big trade for a receiver. Uh.
You know, we all know that Brady Quinn is the
guru on knowing the information about these players. I'm looking
forward to hearing about that trade and will that help
Baker Mayfield with his weapons? But next week zero Takeaways,
it's Scott Frost's last name. What makes sense for a
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seat that could have warmed up pretty much? Did you
get that one Frost hot seat? Yeah, we're gonna talk
about that Nebraska's on sidekick and what took place in
weeks zero. You're listening to two Pros and a Cup
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But for now, let's go to college football Week zero.
I am super interested to hear your take on the
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winners and the losers of Week zero. I know for
certain the biggest headline to me was Scott Frost losing
and in the way that he did. But I'll you know,
I'll turn this over to the expert and listen to
what you got to say about it. Well, if you
listen to our college football previews, I want to told
you Northwestern plus thirteen with with when I gave you
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that bed, the Lion actually moved down to ten was
the lock of the weekend. Um, just no doubt about it.
And I think on the onset, just looking at that
game and not talking about what transpired, you had to
two schools of thought. You have one coach that was
going into the season on the hot seat, and Scott Frost,
who fired his entire offensive staff, brought in Mark whip Whipple,
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brought in a bunch of transfers, and who's really trying
to just hang on? And in the meantime, you've got
Pat fitzgild to Northwestern who has continually done more with
less during his time there. And it's built up a culture,
a style of football. And you can say they're predictable
in some ways, but the reality is they know exactly
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the type of game they want to play and when
they play it, they're tough to beat. And I know
that's gonna like sound funny to people out there in
college football because they're not Alabama, they're not George, it's
not an SEC score whatever else. But they are tough,
they're physical and when you give them a light of hope,
they can they can make something happen. And and they
did this matchup, Like that's the reality of it, you know.
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With with Nebraska double digits, Scott Frost attempts at a
surprise on sidekick that ends up failing. And what a
lot of people will say, and this is called um
and any time it's called resulting. Anytime you look at
the result of something, and you say, well, that was
a dumb decision, Like, we can all look at what
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happened with Scott Frost attempting a surprise on sidekick up
ten where you have all the momentum and then giving
it all away in that very play, allowing Northwest not
only to come back into the game, but to come
back and win it. So I think the discussion starts
with this, and you can speak to this LaVar, like,
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as a coach, do you make a call that you
think is gonna be unsuccessful at any point in time
in the game, Like, that's never the point of any
call you make, right, And so that's the funny thing
is people are like, well that was stupid. That's all
on Scott. Okay, folks, you have to understand that how
they played that game. Go back and watch the first
half again. Look how aggressive they were offensively. Look at
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what they were trying to do. They were trying to
step on the throat of Northwestern. They didn't want Northwestern
to have even a shot of coming back because if
that's a team that you can go up eight teen against,
which is what they were attempting to do, they ain't
coming back as good as Ryan Hilinski looked, and as
good as that offensive line is in protecting and run black,
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They're gonna be a one dimensional team trying to throw
their way back down three scores. That's just the reality
of it. So I completely understand what the thought process.
And even furthermore, when and and again, Leafar, you can
speak this. You're you're you're coaching right now. When you
get a look, you're gonna take advantage of that look.
Are you not trying to execute a surprise something on side,
fake punt something right? Let me tell you something. I
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created a scheme specific to the team that we were
playing and our our week one, and they explode, They
expose and exploited it the third play of the game,
and they continued on the entire game. I I was,
I was negligent and adjusting and adapting. I thought that
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we would respond to it and plug it up, and
we didn't. So to your point of making calls, it's
like do you do you take a risk? Do you
change the course or do you try to adjust the
play call of what it is like in defense, it's
more about you know your fronts, where where people are aligning.
You know, are you plugging up the gaps, are they
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filling the gaps? Different things like that, there are there
are certain things that you can't take and measure out
and know what the result is going to be until
it happens. So I think if in in terms of
doing the surprise on side, they felt like they may
have saw something. Maybe there was a wing, you know,
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a blocker that maybe they didn't think had good hands.
Maybe they were they created a gap that was, you know,
one from one player to the next was kind of large.
Maybe he was back too far, maybe he was up
kind of close, and they thought that they could find
a sweet spot. There are so many quality control coaches.
There's so much information being exchanged during the course of
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these games that when you make decisions, they're not just
Sometimes sometimes it might be in the moment you're saying,
let's go for onside, but a lot of times, you know,
you you hear that there's a lot of information going
over the hip head sets and it's like, we see this,
we might be able to get it, and and you
know what, if it happens and it works, he's a genius.
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He took a chance, he's got moxie. You know this
is what Scott Frost is the guy that brought in
the new line coach. He's got them throwing up every
play for every practice, this that other, here they go,
here's the Huskers. They're back. You didn't get it right,
and so now you fall under the scrutiny and the
criticism of it, and rightfully so here's what it brings
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up though, You know when when you do something like that,
in my mind, at least, okay, you talked about making
adjustments and and that's the that's the that's the decision
that you're kind of faced with as a coach sometimes
making adjustments, you know who, It's hard to make adjustments
for a group of players where your quarterback isn't that
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it was from the transfer portal. Uh. Two of your
your receivers that showed out both both were transfer portal players.
You don't have a culture built there yet. You're trying
to claw and scratch and fight your way to find
success so you can hang around long enough to build
a culture. And that was the difference to me in
this game. It wasn't so much that one singular decision.
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Did that decision help Northwestern get back in the game,
because they didn't execute or that they didn't you know,
it didn't happen the way they want, of course, but
did did the defense for Nebraska need to fall apart
in the second half? Did the offense all of a
sudden and Casey Thompson need to literally frost over? I mean,
he was so after the big scramble around that that
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became viral. H if you're looking on social media from
from Casey Thompson, you could find it. He scrambles around,
chucks the ball down field for a fifty plus yard game.
After that point for Casey Thomps, he was six or
fifteen with two interceptions for like forty four yards, And
so did he expect his quarterback was after a great
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first half where you're like, Okay, this kid might be
up for the Heisman. The way he looked in the
first half, did you think he was gonna fall apart two?
I mean, the reality is as a coach, you're always,
you know, really trying to hope for the best, and
that's and you're trying to hope for execution. The truth
of the matter is it was a tale of two halves,
and Nebraska didn't execute anything really in the second half,
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and give credits to Northwestern in every step of the way.
They kind of stayed that steady eddie like they can.
They ran the football, Helinski made plays when he needed
to in the passing game. The physicality in the trenches
one out on Northwestern, And you know what, that's their identity,
that's their culture, and that's what really ultimately more consistent
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wins in college football when you if you look at
the Northwesterns, the Wisconsin's, whoever you want to bring into
the conversation, Utah, like all those schools, have an identity
and they know exactly the type of game they want
to try to play, and if they get you to
play their game, you're gonna have a hard time winning.
We got a great Week one matchup coming up between
Utah and Florida this weekend, and that's gonna be one
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where if you talk and go into Gainesville and make
fullid to play their game, which by the way, Utah's
favored by three points, a little bit surprising, but if
they can do that, Florida's gonna have a hard time
winning that football game. So you know, I look back
on it and I think a lot is gonna be
made of it because to your point, like it was
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the only thing really on. You're in Dublin, Ireland. They
happen to run their their internet happens to go out.
So all you have is all these you know, people
boozing up because the Irish people are the best, and
they're giving out free booze at the game to everyone,
and then you have this almost epic collapse where everyone's
ticked off. All right, did you see the photos of
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all the Nebraska fans who were out there by the way,
there were thousands. There were thousands, I mean, and and
I and someone had said this, um there were a
toime on Twitter, might even Daniel Jeremiah, but he was
saying it's something about you know, college football is is
local and regional. I was like, no, it's not, man
not anymore. Like think about it. You had teams playing
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as far out west as Hawaii. Vanderbilt played Hawaii, and
then you've got all the way out east heading into Ireland.
I mean, and that's that's kind of that's the kind
of thing that NFL doesn't do that anymore. You don't
go out to Hawaii for the Pro Bowl yesterday to London.
The Jacksonville Jaguars do hell, I went. We went out
there when I was in Denver to go play the
forty Niners, and it was an international crowd. It wasn't
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a bunch of Broncos fans. It wasn't a bunch of
forty Niners fans. There were some, but it wasn't like
what we saw from Nebraska, Like that's what it changed to.
Oh my god. Well, it's not even just that. It's
the fact that you can get fans to try Apple,
you can get them to go internationally, and they'll go
even for a program that hasn't been hasn't been relevant
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since the nineties, you know, since they were that dominant then.
And still I mean, you tell me what pro program
can get their fans to travel that hasn't been relevant.
I mean, say, say what you want about the men
floor bills and lack of trals, but they'll travel. But
but n plus, they're good now. I mean, they're winning
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the a f C East now you know that's that's
not a doubt. So I just I thought it was
a really interesting weekend, but a great weekend for college football.
I think the way the calendars worked out, um, but
unfortunately it was a bad weekend for Scott Frost, and
he's yeah, they're gonna need to come together quick and
be competitive in the Big ten West, which, UM, I
kind of find that hard to believe it will be
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enough to appease the Nebraska fans. Before we get to
our update with the great Eddie Garcia and switched topics
to a receiver hitting to Carol Na, I want to
ask you one of thirty losses over the last four
years for Scott frosest one game those in those games
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it was a lost by eight points or fewer? Is
there a good way to lose? And and on and
and then my next question for you to wrap it is,
was there any other winners or losers of note for you?
I do know that Jonas Is Rainbow Warriors took an ail,
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but I don't know if you want to tuck on.
I don't know if you want to touch on that,
but you know they did take a nail. Um any
week one zero winners or losers outside of the Nebraska
UH Northwestern game? And is there a good way to lose?
It's a good question because you know most people are like,
no man losing losing, But here's the reality is, if
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this was Scott Frosts first year or a first couple
of years, and you knew it was a rebuild, right,
Like a lot of people want to go back and
compare Scott Frost record to bow Polini. They're like, hey,
there's the stat was going around. If Scott Frost wins
his next fifty games, he still won't be as successful
as bow Polini was. That's true, but it also wasn't
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the team that Scott Frost inherited. They didn't go from
bou Polini to Scott Frost. That's not how this whole
thing went. It was. It's no different than trying to
compare Lloyd Carter Jim Harbaugh that that wasn't the program
that Jim Harbaugh inherited. There are coaches in between, there
are some things that happened administratively at the university in between,
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and so all those things play a factor. Um. I
do think for just from a clarity standpoint, when you
lose close games, it's tough because you know you're trying
to get those players, especially in Nebraska, and they've they've
been in so many close games. You're trying to get
them to believe in something and it's hard putting in
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all the work and the blood, sweat and tears. When
it doesn't work out time and time and time again,
it's it's almost becoming like a sickness, like, hey, we
know this feeling. We get to this point, we know
how it's gonna end. You know, it's not gonna end
well for us. So that that's the tough part is
how do you change their mindset? And a lot of
people will draw the conclusion that, hey, in these one
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score games, that really comes down to coaching decisions, and
and that's the case in some ways. And look, I
understand people who think the onside kick was you know,
that the be all end all of this past week's game.
But there's also an element of execution. Like I always
came from the frame of mind that you're the players
on the field. You know you, I don't care what
the call is. You you can't go out there and
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not execute and then just blame it on the coach
because that's that's only gonna affect the next guy. Eventually
someone's gonna step up and make a play. Eventually, Casey
Thompson has to take care of the football in the
second half. Eventually the defense has to bow up and
they can't allow themselves to get pushed around, you know,
so you're all accountable for it. So I kind of
couldn't say. Look, it's it's almost like a relationship where
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you know, you feel like things are okay, they're not great.
That's kind of like bleeding along for years and eventually
you know you wish there was like something you wish
she cheated on you. All right, I'll I need to
end it, you know, because now I just need to
move on. She did something I need to move on
and ended. It's almost like that's like what Nebraska is
looking for right now, like they're looking for some definitive
(28:23):
event to move on from Scott Frost. I don't know
if this is enough to do that. Maybe it is
in the mind of trev Alberts, their athletic director, or
some of of the people who are part of that decision.
But it's kind of like that is it's kind of
like with this relationship that maybe people have been involved
in before where they don't have enough to move on
or make a decision, hey commit and get married or
(28:43):
just you know, break up all together. It's just like
so so just one of those like relationships that hey,
we're friendly, we get along, but it's just something missing.
It's not quite there. Were just kind of middle of
the road to best well, like you know, that's kind
of I feel now like where I wonder where the
season is really head for them because I feel like
so much was made of week zero And by the way, um,
(29:05):
they didn't take it that. They didn't take any time
off from that game, so they'll they'll play in week
one as well, which I think it makes it all
that much more difficult. But um, you know, I havel saying,
I don't. I don't know if you want to chime
in on that. We get to Levisca Chennault in the
in the next hour, but now we could go I mean,
if you want time to talk about Leviscas, we could wait.
But if not, you know, we could just go to
(29:26):
the update. How about this, I think you did a
great job summing it summing it up again, I said
the Rainbow Warriors was probably my loser of week zero.
Sorry Jonas, but I had to bring you into the
show some way somehow since you're out, which, by the way,
who saw that? My god? I mean it was outside
of the first first series. I think it was you know,
(29:47):
the other one, and that was a big winner to me.
I got give him some props because they're down close
to me. Is f a U I f A you
looked really good, um Nicosy Perry who's down there? But um,
just Willie Tagger kind of taking over a program, M
Lane Kiff and that you always wonder, you know, what's
gonna happen to the program. Will they be able to
kind of, you know, keep it at a consistently high level.
That was one in which I was like, man, it
(30:09):
was I mean, Charlotte's you know, no pushover now, Chase Marynolds,
their quarterback is pretty good. Um. They put up a
fight initially in the first first half of that game.
Then obviously f A you pulled away. And then the
last one was Yukon. Yukon is back, Baby is back,
and man they jumped out to a lead four nothing.
That was one of my my my losses. Um, I'd
(30:31):
have one five and two last week, but that was
one of the losses. Um. Yukon got off to a
decent start and then kind of fizzled out. Butts State
who gave up. I want to say it was like
almost like two yards in the first quarter of first half,
the Yukon rushing. Um they they've got Alabama this week,
so uh they they've got to strap on their big
boy pants and and trying to go find a win
(30:52):
versus Tuscaloosa or down in Tuscaloosa versus Alabama. Um. But
that was the other one was Yukon's back more competitive
than what we saw year ago. They were competitive. They
were competitive. Coming up next, well, we got an interesting
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All right, you guys, In case you missed this, HBO
announced their plans to air a documentary on that fake
high school program Bishop Sycamore yes, BS High. The announcement
(33:03):
comes one year to the days after their head coach
Roy Johnson tricked ESPN into airing their game against I
Am you know, I knew a few kids that played
on that team, did you really? It's interesting, Yeah, wamg
or on the fake school, on the fake school and
and what it was. I tell you, it's interesting perspective.
I got. There were a lot of kids that were
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kind of getting displaced because of COVID, and they were like,
they were like seniors in high school, but they were
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at least some of them, the few that I knew.
And let's be honest, given that this school happening to
reside in Ohio, there was no actual place. There was
no actual school. It was like one of those virtual
schools where they've got a website but no actual physical location. So, um,
this is great though. You know it's funny about this
is if you go back to the man Tai Teo documentary.
(34:11):
The whole thing of dead Spin running that story was
to get to the ESPN now instead of ESPN doing
their own original series on all this, since they're the
ones they got duped to put that game on TV,
it's HBO doing it like it's just another l for ESPN.
Like at some point, like you gotta be self deprecating
and say, you know what, we messed up and here's
(34:31):
a really really interesting story of how it happened. But
I guess instead of just owning up to it, they'd
rather HBO make fun of them. Do you think they
will ever do thirty for thirties to to kind of
go at the people that that came out with documentaries
that kind of, you know, discredit ESPN. That's the hard
thing is is like what are you gonna do it
on dead Spin? I mean it's not like all their
(34:53):
content is all based on sports, and so it kind
of be outside the realm of what you're known for.
I just think this would have been an interesting thirty
for thirty and you'd have all this information because it
all happened to you, to your network to be able
to then run a story that people would watch and instead,
now you get HBO has already jumped on it. So
(35:13):
just a missed opportunity, in my opinion, makes sense, makes sense.
What else we got the lab guys, in case you
missed the story where a couple of Oakland A's fans
were caught out, you know, having a good time out
in the outfield where well I'm not look like they're
making some babies. Oh so that was that was a
(35:34):
bucket list deal for the Oakland A's fan. Well, they
might be regretting that, but two other fans thought it
was a good idea, those fans beating Blue Jays fans.
And last night at the Blue Jays versus the Cubs game,
two other fans got caught in the in the cheap
seats by security having a little sexual relations. I mean,
that's what baseball is about, baby home runs and your
(35:59):
your back. Yeah. I mean, look, if this doesn't bring
back interest in baseball, I don't know what will, alright,
because because sex sells, and apparently in this case, it's
the only thing making headlines in baseball with the football
season I already get started for the NFL and college
football already starting. So that is a great take and
I'm gonna just leave it that at that, you know,
(36:21):
sex sales and at that to baseball. There you go, sports,
baseball and sex. There you go. Okay, Lee, what else
you got? All right? You guys? In case you missed it,
we always know about the the rookie dinner night getting
getting caught with the bill. Well, Chief's rookie Skymore second
round pick wide receiver. He was actually pranked with the
twenty three tho dollar bill at at one chopped house
(36:44):
in Kansas City. He said his stomach dropped when he
got the bill, but later found out that Marques Valdez
Scantling was actually picking it up. Yeah. And first off,
if anyone saw the bill, because you put a picture
on a don't one chophouts that place is great. It
is not cheap, so it's not unfathomable depending on what
you're drinking eating to get up there. But it was
(37:04):
round numbers. It was like, however many people for eighteen
thousand for dinner and then alcohol was like two or
three grand. It was like everything was like round numbers.
If I was a rookie looking at that, I'd be like, man,
this restaurant is trying to swindle me. Right now, because
there's never been a bill in the history of any
of any restaurant that was straight round numbers when you're
(37:24):
talking about thousands of dollars for something like that. But
either way, unfortunately, Lavara probably tell you a story where
those rookie dinners used to be real. They were that,
they were real. They were real at the Pro Bowl
they were real, and and the numbers are not exaggerated
when talking about how how high those you you know
(37:45):
you got thousand dollars shots like that Louis. I learned
about Louis very quickly when I when I became a pro,
didn't know anything about it until you know, Bruce Smith
and Dan Wilkinson and Marco Coleman. Yeah, did you see
thousand dollars shots? Yes? Oh yeah, oh yeah. How is
that possible? Man? It's that expensive. Some people mark it
(38:09):
up to where they'll charge you a thousand dollars a shot.
Trust me, I'm we witning this stuff. It is. It
is not fun to play with. So that bill could
go up one one toast could cost you one toast,
can do you? That's That's what I tell you. They
didn't have to get drunk or eat too much. To
get to twenties some thousand dollars. It just depends on
(38:30):
how many guys went out. So it is what it is.
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so we'll get the week zero takeaways pretty soon. But
right now, Jimmy t he's returning to the forty Niners
(02:43):
at the moment restructuring, Uh, no trade clause restrictions and
choices and decisions. What was your takeaway when you saw
this first first reaction and then after you were able
to dissect the deal, what were your takeaways? Uh? The
biggest thing for me, LaVar was I think when you
(03:03):
look at the NFL, you almost never see things work
out where like all parties involved actually are satisfied with
with a contract, with an agreement. UH, with a situation
like this, that was it's pretty awkward. I mean, the
reality is it was pretty awkward for a guy that
(03:25):
Super Bowl. Uh, he took you to another NFC Championship
game in the only two seasons he's been fully healthy there,
and then you go draft a guy, you trade up
to draft a guy to replace him, and and now
you're like, yeah, but we want this guy to hang
around for another year. It was just it was really interesting,
(03:45):
And I wonder if it was credit to the forty
Niners because remember they were trying to trade him right
after the season, like it was done deal, they had offers,
all stuff. Then the shoulder surgery came and then it's
almost like Jimmy Garoppolo kind of forced their hand and
it was like, no, to do this on my own terms.
So I think it's a really a really interesting case
(04:09):
of a unique scenario where the team might have at
least in some ways in my mind, when I saw this,
with the way they redid this, they basically said to themselves,
all right, maybe we did Jimmy G a little dirty.
Let's try to do right by him. We're not sure
what we have in Trey Lance. He is good, He's
(04:30):
looked good at times in San Francisco in the preseason
this year. I thought last year looked very green. But
why not keep around Jimmy G in case we need
him in the event of an injury, because we don't
have anyone right uh, in case we we we need
to you know, we're looking at Trey Lansco and here already.
Yet let's go on. We need to go on around
with Jimmy G. They're now position themselves to do all that,
(04:52):
And I think Jimmy Garoppo is gonna be the second
third highest paid backup and has the opportunity to earn
significant can leave more money six six point five million guaranteed,
but another like nine million in playtime incentives that would
make it much more fruitful form if indeed he does play.
So this truly is a win win for both the
(05:14):
forty niners and I think Jimmy g I think the
only awkward thing is now gonna be trade lance where
he doesn't play well. Now the pressure is on him. Man.
That was my first takeaway from the deal getting done.
This is I think this is we talked about all
these quarterbacks and we'll get to Lamar Jackson at some
point during the show, I would assume. But you know
(05:36):
Baker Mayfield, you know he bet on himself going into
last season. This this restructuring says to me. It screams
I'm betting on myself and it could be a poker
match with with Garoppolo and his people, his representation. I mean,
I'm with you on not knowing what trade lance is
going to bring to the table in the regular season.
(05:58):
We are now hitting down to business that the games
are going to begin to count. And you take this restructuring,
you take the pressure off of the franchise in terms
of how they're looking at you. You're favorable to not
only the franchise but to your future employer because this
says you know what, he's a sensible guy. He's he's
(06:20):
a team guy. He's willing to do some things that
you know would probably offset in the gate what what
maybe would have seemingly been why did he go about
getting his shoulder surgery the way that he did. But
I gotta be honest with you, I'm not sold on
trade Lance. I haven't seen anything that would lead to
me believing that he's not going to have some stumbles
(06:44):
and and some some hard moments. And now you have
a guy that you know has been the reason why
you have one as a head coach, you one as
an organization as of as of late, and he's on
He's sitting there right there. The players know him, the
coaches known, and the fan snow. I think this really
really creates a very very pressurized situation. And listen, I'm
(07:06):
not a quarterback, so you could probably speak better to
it than I can. But I could only imagine if
I'm a top draft pick and I'm the top draft
pick that they brought in to replace you. And I
know people brought up the whole Montana you know Steve
Young deal. This is not a Montana Steve Young deal. Um,
we knew what Steve Young was because he had already
(07:28):
played in the pros um not the NFL pros. But
we knew that he was going to be uh he
remember he was? Okay, Okay, I don't even remember him
in Tampa. I just remember him coming from the USFL.
Don't remember him the Tampa. Yeah, I don't even remember
him in Tampa. But but here's the point. We knew
(07:49):
that the lefty was was a baller, and we knew
that the goat was the starter. I think it's a
very different scenario here. And I think this is I'll
tell you this, if trade lads performs and and keeps
that job, you gotta give him a ton of respect
for being able to do it, because I think that
(08:12):
this creates a situation where if if he doesn't do well,
the amount of pressure that he will have on him,
or the amount of scrutiny because Garoppolo is sitting right there,
it may even be considered to be unfair. Yeah, it
definitely could be considering you know, how this could all
work out. But the reality is it is Trey Lance's
(08:34):
team right now, and he's got the first crack at it.
They're doing everything they can to put everything else out
around him. I think I think Kyle Shanahan is gonna
create or construct an offense that's it's gonna look drastically different.
I think you see a little bit of that in preseason.
Not much, but still things that are gonna play the
Trey Lance's strengths, um, and I think they're gonna make
the most successful. So I'm not so worried about this.
(08:54):
It's a one year deal. After this year, it clears
itself out. You know. I think it's interesting you bring
up Steve Young and Joe mont Hanna or other people
who have talked about that. So if you recall Steve
Young originally was drafted the Supplemantal Draft. Um. I honestly,
it's the first overall pick in the eighty four Sublemantal Draft.
But he did play two years with the Tampa Bay Bucks.
(09:15):
Wasn't very good. I mean, first year through three picks,
state interceptions, completed his pass and then went one and
four of those games he started, and the next year's
two and twelve uh through for over two thousand yards
eight touchdowns, the thirteen interceptions completed a little bit more
percent his passes, but then he went to San Francisco,
and he was there for about the next I don't know,
five years, where he was just backup duty, right. It
(09:38):
was it was spot duty here and they're starting a
few games, went two and one, uh, coming in too
and one the following year three and oh and you're
kind of going on down the list. He really didn't
play until he was thirty one years old, where he
got a shot to then be what everyone saw him
to be, where he was an all pro ino and
(09:58):
he led the leagal of completion percentage all that. But
I think about that he entered the league at twenty four.
He never really was the guy until thirty one after
that time in Tampa, where then the rest of his career,
you know, really took off. And so you know, I
only bring that up because I think there's a lot
of different paths and a lot of different ways that
people can become successful. When a Super Bowl become that quarterback,
(10:20):
we remember, we just we seldom realize or remember like
what the journey actually started off, like like you know,
usually usually we remember the hoisting up the Lombardi and
and we remember the good times, but we don't remember
the days after that, Like, hey, what did the career
look like at the end, Like I grew up at
Joe Montana fan, I remember the San Francisco Four Niners years,
(10:42):
and look, he didn't have a bad career in Kansas City,
but it wasn't the same wars with the Four Niners,
and so yeah, it's it's that's usually how we remember
legends like that. So in this case with with Jimmy
g and Trey Lance, I think it's gonna be really interesting,
you know how this how this plays itself out, because
really for both players. I mean I think for Trey
Lance and the opportunity that he has now as a
(11:03):
starter to potentially be the guy, but also for Jimmy
G because after this year, I mean one, he could
play a really key role allah of Nick Foles too.
Even if Trey Lance is playing well, one injury puts
you in a spot or you're leading a team to
the Super Bowl maybe winning it, and then if not,
after this year, he's gonna have an opportunity to go
somewhere else and play. And I think when healthy Jimmy
(11:24):
Jimmy Garoppolo is a top half of the league quarterback
that there will be a market for for his you know,
his ability. I think it was his contract and probably
the injury that held him off from being you know,
trade bat at least at that point in time this season.
So no matter how you cut it up, it's gonna
be fun to see what happens in San Francisco this
You're not just the quarterback situation, but the team and
(11:46):
I think that division too, to see if the Rams
can repeat or if the San Francisco forty nine can
kind of get back to where they were a few
years ago. Definitely a competitive division, and it will be
interesting to see if trade Land is able to keep
them on pace with what's going on in the NFC West.
All Right, we'll see how that goes. Uh, you know
(12:08):
the Pathers, they made a big trade for a receiver. Uh.
You know, we all know that Brady Quinn is the
guru on knowing the information about these players. I'm looking
forward to hearing about that trade and will that help
Baker Mayfield with his weapons? But next week zero Takeaways,
it's Scott Frost's last name. What makes sense for a
(12:32):
seat that could have warmed up pretty much? Did you
get that one Frost hot seat? Yeah, we're gonna talk
about that Nebraska's on sidekick and what took place in
weeks zero. You're listening to two Pros and a Cup
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(12:53):
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But for now, let's go to college football Week zero.
I am super interested to hear your take on the
(14:17):
winners and the losers of Week zero. I know for
certain the biggest headline to me was Scott Frost losing
and in the way that he did. But I'll you know,
I'll turn this over to the expert and listen to
what you got to say about it. Well, if you
listen to our college football previews, I want to told
you Northwestern plus thirteen with with when I gave you
(14:41):
that bed, the Lion actually moved down to ten was
the lock of the weekend. Um, just no doubt about it.
And I think on the onset, just looking at that
game and not talking about what transpired, you had to
two schools of thought. You have one coach that was
going into the season on the hot seat, and Scott Frost,
who fired his entire offensive staff, brought in Mark whip Whipple,
(15:05):
brought in a bunch of transfers, and who's really trying
to just hang on? And in the meantime, you've got
Pat fitzgild to Northwestern who has continually done more with
less during his time there. And it's built up a culture,
a style of football. And you can say they're predictable
in some ways, but the reality is they know exactly
(15:27):
the type of game they want to play and when
they play it, they're tough to beat. And I know
that's gonna like sound funny to people out there in
college football because they're not Alabama, they're not George, it's
not an SEC score whatever else. But they are tough,
they're physical and when you give them a light of hope,
they can they can make something happen. And and they
did this matchup, Like that's the reality of it, you know.
(15:47):
With with Nebraska double digits, Scott Frost attempts at a
surprise on sidekick that ends up failing. And what a
lot of people will say, and this is called um
and any time it's called resulting. Anytime you look at
the result of something, and you say, well, that was
a dumb decision, Like, we can all look at what
(16:10):
happened with Scott Frost attempting a surprise on sidekick up
ten where you have all the momentum and then giving
it all away in that very play, allowing Northwest not
only to come back into the game, but to come
back and win it. So I think the discussion starts
with this, and you can speak to this LaVar, like,
(16:31):
as a coach, do you make a call that you
think is gonna be unsuccessful at any point in time
in the game, Like, that's never the point of any
call you make, right, And so that's the funny thing
is people are like, well that was stupid. That's all
on Scott. Okay, folks, you have to understand that how
they played that game. Go back and watch the first
half again. Look how aggressive they were offensively. Look at
(16:54):
what they were trying to do. They were trying to
step on the throat of Northwestern. They didn't want Northwestern
to have even a shot of coming back because if
that's a team that you can go up eight teen against,
which is what they were attempting to do, they ain't
coming back as good as Ryan Hilinski looked, and as
good as that offensive line is in protecting and run black,
(17:17):
They're gonna be a one dimensional team trying to throw
their way back down three scores. That's just the reality
of it. So I completely understand what the thought process.
And even furthermore, when and and again, Leafar, you can
speak this. You're you're you're coaching right now. When you
get a look, you're gonna take advantage of that look.
Are you not trying to execute a surprise something on side,
fake punt something right? Let me tell you something. I
(17:40):
created a scheme specific to the team that we were
playing and our our week one, and they explode, They
expose and exploited it the third play of the game,
and they continued on the entire game. I I was,
I was negligent and adjusting and adapting. I thought that
(18:03):
we would respond to it and plug it up, and
we didn't. So to your point of making calls, it's
like do you do you take a risk? Do you
change the course or do you try to adjust the
play call of what it is like in defense, it's
more about you know your fronts, where where people are aligning.
You know, are you plugging up the gaps, are they
(18:25):
filling the gaps? Different things like that, there are there
are certain things that you can't take and measure out
and know what the result is going to be until
it happens. So I think if in in terms of
doing the surprise on side, they felt like they may
have saw something. Maybe there was a wing, you know,
(18:46):
a blocker that maybe they didn't think had good hands.
Maybe they were they created a gap that was, you know,
one from one player to the next was kind of large.
Maybe he was back too far, maybe he was up
kind of close, and they thought that they could find
a sweet spot. There are so many quality control coaches.
There's so much information being exchanged during the course of
(19:10):
these games that when you make decisions, they're not just
Sometimes sometimes it might be in the moment you're saying,
let's go for onside, but a lot of times, you know,
you you hear that there's a lot of information going
over the hip head sets and it's like, we see this,
we might be able to get it, and and you
know what, if it happens and it works, he's a genius.
(19:30):
He took a chance, he's got moxie. You know this
is what Scott Frost is the guy that brought in
the new line coach. He's got them throwing up every
play for every practice, this that other, here they go,
here's the Huskers. They're back. You didn't get it right,
and so now you fall under the scrutiny and the
criticism of it, and rightfully so here's what it brings
(19:52):
up though, You know when when you do something like that,
in my mind, at least, okay, you talked about making
adjustments and and that's the that's the that's the decision
that you're kind of faced with as a coach sometimes
making adjustments, you know who, It's hard to make adjustments
for a group of players where your quarterback isn't that
(20:14):
it was from the transfer portal. Uh. Two of your
your receivers that showed out both both were transfer portal players.
You don't have a culture built there yet. You're trying
to claw and scratch and fight your way to find
success so you can hang around long enough to build
a culture. And that was the difference to me in
this game. It wasn't so much that one singular decision.
(20:36):
Did that decision help Northwestern get back in the game,
because they didn't execute or that they didn't you know,
it didn't happen the way they want, of course, but
did did the defense for Nebraska need to fall apart
in the second half? Did the offense all of a
sudden and Casey Thompson need to literally frost over? I mean,
he was so after the big scramble around that that
(20:56):
became viral. H if you're looking on social media from
from Casey Thompson, you could find it. He scrambles around,
chucks the ball down field for a fifty plus yard game.
After that point for Casey Thomps, he was six or
fifteen with two interceptions for like forty four yards, And
so did he expect his quarterback was after a great
(21:17):
first half where you're like, Okay, this kid might be
up for the Heisman. The way he looked in the
first half, did you think he was gonna fall apart two?
I mean, the reality is as a coach, you're always,
you know, really trying to hope for the best, and
that's and you're trying to hope for execution. The truth
of the matter is it was a tale of two halves,
and Nebraska didn't execute anything really in the second half,
(21:39):
and give credits to Northwestern in every step of the way.
They kind of stayed that steady eddie like they can.
They ran the football, Helinski made plays when he needed
to in the passing game. The physicality in the trenches
one out on Northwestern, And you know what, that's their identity,
that's their culture, and that's what really ultimately more consistent
(22:00):
wins in college football when you if you look at
the Northwesterns, the Wisconsin's, whoever you want to bring into
the conversation, Utah, like all those schools, have an identity
and they know exactly the type of game they want
to try to play, and if they get you to
play their game, you're gonna have a hard time winning.
We got a great Week one matchup coming up between
Utah and Florida this weekend, and that's gonna be one
(22:21):
where if you talk and go into Gainesville and make
fullid to play their game, which by the way, Utah's
favored by three points, a little bit surprising, but if
they can do that, Florida's gonna have a hard time
winning that football game. So you know, I look back
on it and I think a lot is gonna be
made of it because to your point, like it was
(22:41):
the only thing really on. You're in Dublin, Ireland. They
happen to run their their internet happens to go out.
So all you have is all these you know, people
boozing up because the Irish people are the best, and
they're giving out free booze at the game to everyone,
and then you have this almost epic collapse where everyone's
ticked off. All right, did you see the photos of
(23:01):
all the Nebraska fans who were out there by the way,
there were thousands. There were thousands, I mean, and and
I and someone had said this, um there were a
toime on Twitter, might even Daniel Jeremiah, but he was
saying it's something about you know, college football is is
local and regional. I was like, no, it's not, man
not anymore. Like think about it. You had teams playing
(23:23):
as far out west as Hawaii. Vanderbilt played Hawaii, and
then you've got all the way out east heading into Ireland.
I mean, and that's that's kind of that's the kind
of thing that NFL doesn't do that anymore. You don't
go out to Hawaii for the Pro Bowl yesterday to London.
The Jacksonville Jaguars do hell, I went. We went out
there when I was in Denver to go play the
forty Niners, and it was an international crowd. It wasn't
(23:46):
a bunch of Broncos fans. It wasn't a bunch of
forty Niners fans. There were some, but it wasn't like
what we saw from Nebraska, Like that's what it changed to.
Oh my god. Well, it's not even just that. It's
the fact that you can get fans to try Apple,
you can get them to go internationally, and they'll go
even for a program that hasn't been hasn't been relevant
(24:08):
since the nineties, you know, since they were that dominant then.
And still I mean, you tell me what pro program
can get their fans to travel that hasn't been relevant.
I mean, say, say what you want about the men
floor bills and lack of trals, but they'll travel. But
but n plus, they're good now. I mean, they're winning
(24:28):
the a f C East now you know that's that's
not a doubt. So I just I thought it was
a really interesting weekend, but a great weekend for college football.
I think the way the calendars worked out, um, but
unfortunately it was a bad weekend for Scott Frost, and
he's yeah, they're gonna need to come together quick and
be competitive in the Big ten West, which, UM, I
kind of find that hard to believe it will be
(24:49):
enough to appease the Nebraska fans. Before we get to
our update with the great Eddie Garcia and switched topics
to a receiver hitting to Carol Na, I want to
ask you one of thirty losses over the last four
years for Scott frosest one game those in those games
(25:09):
it was a lost by eight points or fewer? Is
there a good way to lose? And and on and
and then my next question for you to wrap it is,
was there any other winners or losers of note for you?
I do know that Jonas Is Rainbow Warriors took an ail,
(25:30):
but I don't know if you want to tuck on.
I don't know if you want to touch on that,
but you know they did take a nail. Um any
week one zero winners or losers outside of the Nebraska
UH Northwestern game? And is there a good way to lose?
It's a good question because you know most people are like,
no man losing losing, But here's the reality is, if
(25:53):
this was Scott Frosts first year or a first couple
of years, and you knew it was a rebuild, right,
Like a lot of people want to go back and
compare Scott Frost record to bow Polini. They're like, hey,
there's the stat was going around. If Scott Frost wins
his next fifty games, he still won't be as successful
as bow Polini was. That's true, but it also wasn't
(26:15):
the team that Scott Frost inherited. They didn't go from
bou Polini to Scott Frost. That's not how this whole
thing went. It was. It's no different than trying to
compare Lloyd Carter Jim Harbaugh that that wasn't the program
that Jim Harbaugh inherited. There are coaches in between, there
are some things that happened administratively at the university in between,
(26:37):
and so all those things play a factor. Um. I
do think for just from a clarity standpoint, when you
lose close games, it's tough because you know you're trying
to get those players, especially in Nebraska, and they've they've
been in so many close games. You're trying to get
them to believe in something and it's hard putting in
(26:58):
all the work and the blood, sweat and tears. When
it doesn't work out time and time and time again,
it's it's almost becoming like a sickness, like, hey, we
know this feeling. We get to this point, we know
how it's gonna end. You know, it's not gonna end
well for us. So that that's the tough part is
how do you change their mindset? And a lot of
people will draw the conclusion that, hey, in these one
(27:20):
score games, that really comes down to coaching decisions, and
and that's the case in some ways. And look, I
understand people who think the onside kick was you know,
that the be all end all of this past week's game.
But there's also an element of execution. Like I always
came from the frame of mind that you're the players
on the field. You know you, I don't care what
the call is. You you can't go out there and
(27:42):
not execute and then just blame it on the coach
because that's that's only gonna affect the next guy. Eventually
someone's gonna step up and make a play. Eventually, Casey
Thompson has to take care of the football in the
second half. Eventually the defense has to bow up and
they can't allow themselves to get pushed around, you know,
so you're all accountable for it. So I kind of
couldn't say. Look, it's it's almost like a relationship where
(28:03):
you know, you feel like things are okay, they're not great.
That's kind of like bleeding along for years and eventually
you know you wish there was like something you wish
she cheated on you. All right, I'll I need to
end it, you know, because now I just need to
move on. She did something I need to move on
and ended. It's almost like that's like what Nebraska is
looking for right now, like they're looking for some definitive
(28:23):
event to move on from Scott Frost. I don't know
if this is enough to do that. Maybe it is
in the mind of trev Alberts, their athletic director, or
some of of the people who are part of that decision.
But it's kind of like that is it's kind of
like with this relationship that maybe people have been involved
in before where they don't have enough to move on
or make a decision, hey commit and get married or
(28:43):
just you know, break up all together. It's just like
so so just one of those like relationships that hey,
we're friendly, we get along, but it's just something missing.
It's not quite there. Were just kind of middle of
the road to best well, like you know, that's kind
of I feel now like where I wonder where the
season is really head for them because I feel like
so much was made of week zero And by the way, um,
(29:05):
they didn't take it that. They didn't take any time
off from that game, so they'll they'll play in week
one as well, which I think it makes it all
that much more difficult. But um, you know, I havel saying,
I don't. I don't know if you want to chime
in on that. We get to Levisca Chennault in the
in the next hour, but now we could go I mean,
if you want time to talk about Leviscas, we could wait.
But if not, you know, we could just go to
(29:26):
the update. How about this, I think you did a
great job summing it summing it up again, I said
the Rainbow Warriors was probably my loser of week zero.
Sorry Jonas, but I had to bring you into the
show some way somehow since you're out, which, by the way,
who saw that? My god? I mean it was outside
of the first first series. I think it was you know,
(29:47):
the other one, and that was a big winner to me.
I got give him some props because they're down close
to me. Is f a U I f A you
looked really good, um Nicosy Perry who's down there? But um,
just Willie Tagger kind of taking over a program, M
Lane Kiff and that you always wonder, you know, what's
gonna happen to the program. Will they be able to
kind of, you know, keep it at a consistently high level.
That was one in which I was like, man, it
(30:09):
was I mean, Charlotte's you know, no pushover now, Chase Marynolds,
their quarterback is pretty good. Um. They put up a
fight initially in the first first half of that game.
Then obviously f A you pulled away. And then the
last one was Yukon. Yukon is back, Baby is back,
and man they jumped out to a lead four nothing.
That was one of my my my losses. Um, I'd
(30:31):
have one five and two last week, but that was
one of the losses. Um. Yukon got off to a
decent start and then kind of fizzled out. Butts State
who gave up. I want to say it was like
almost like two yards in the first quarter of first half,
the Yukon rushing. Um they they've got Alabama this week,
so uh they they've got to strap on their big
boy pants and and trying to go find a win
(30:52):
versus Tuscaloosa or down in Tuscaloosa versus Alabama. Um. But
that was the other one was Yukon's back more competitive
than what we saw year ago. They were competitive. They
were competitive. Coming up next, well, we got an interesting
documentary and oddly enough or coincidentally, it's still related to somehow,
(31:12):
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all right, lead the lap? What's you gut for? My guy?
All right, you guys, In case you missed this, HBO
announced their plans to air a documentary on that fake
high school program Bishop Sycamore yes, BS High. The announcement
(33:03):
comes one year to the days after their head coach
Roy Johnson tricked ESPN into airing their game against I
Am you know, I knew a few kids that played
on that team, did you really? It's interesting, Yeah, wamg
or on the fake school, on the fake school and
and what it was. I tell you, it's interesting perspective.
I got. There were a lot of kids that were
(33:25):
kind of getting displaced because of COVID, and they were like,
they were like seniors in high school, but they were
like hold backs, so they were actually going to be
too old to try to play or reclassify to play
a senior year. So they were trying to find a
place outside of a prep school to play, and they
went to that place to go play before it blew up,
(33:47):
at least some of them, the few that I knew.
And let's be honest, given that this school happening to
reside in Ohio, there was no actual place. There was
no actual school. It was like one of those virtual
schools where they've got a website but no actual physical location. So, um,
this is great though. You know it's funny about this
is if you go back to the man Tai Teo documentary.
(34:11):
The whole thing of dead Spin running that story was
to get to the ESPN now instead of ESPN doing
their own original series on all this, since they're the
ones they got duped to put that game on TV,
it's HBO doing it like it's just another l for ESPN.
Like at some point, like you gotta be self deprecating
and say, you know what, we messed up and here's
(34:31):
a really really interesting story of how it happened. But
I guess instead of just owning up to it, they'd
rather HBO make fun of them. Do you think they
will ever do thirty for thirties to to kind of
go at the people that that came out with documentaries
that kind of, you know, discredit ESPN. That's the hard
thing is is like what are you gonna do it
on dead Spin? I mean it's not like all their
(34:53):
content is all based on sports, and so it kind
of be outside the realm of what you're known for.
I just think this would have been an interesting thirty
for thirty and you'd have all this information because it
all happened to you, to your network to be able
to then run a story that people would watch and instead,
now you get HBO has already jumped on it. So
(35:13):
just a missed opportunity, in my opinion, makes sense, makes sense.
What else we got the lab guys, in case you
missed the story where a couple of Oakland A's fans
were caught out, you know, having a good time out
in the outfield where well I'm not look like they're
making some babies. Oh so that was that was a
(35:34):
bucket list deal for the Oakland A's fan. Well, they
might be regretting that, but two other fans thought it
was a good idea, those fans beating Blue Jays fans.
And last night at the Blue Jays versus the Cubs game,
two other fans got caught in the in the cheap
seats by security having a little sexual relations. I mean,
that's what baseball is about, baby home runs and your
(35:59):
your back. Yeah. I mean, look, if this doesn't bring
back interest in baseball, I don't know what will, alright,
because because sex sells, and apparently in this case, it's
the only thing making headlines in baseball with the football
season I already get started for the NFL and college
football already starting. So that is a great take and
I'm gonna just leave it that at that, you know,
(36:21):
sex sales and at that to baseball. There you go, sports,
baseball and sex. There you go. Okay, Lee, what else
you got? All right? You guys? In case you missed it,
we always know about the the rookie dinner night getting
getting caught with the bill. Well, Chief's rookie Skymore second
round pick wide receiver. He was actually pranked with the
twenty three tho dollar bill at at one chopped house
(36:44):
in Kansas City. He said his stomach dropped when he
got the bill, but later found out that Marques Valdez
Scantling was actually picking it up. Yeah. And first off,
if anyone saw the bill, because you put a picture
on a don't one chophouts that place is great. It
is not cheap, so it's not unfathomable depending on what
you're drinking eating to get up there. But it was
(37:04):
round numbers. It was like, however many people for eighteen
thousand for dinner and then alcohol was like two or
three grand. It was like everything was like round numbers.
If I was a rookie looking at that, I'd be like, man,
this restaurant is trying to swindle me. Right now, because
there's never been a bill in the history of any
of any restaurant that was straight round numbers when you're
(37:24):
talking about thousands of dollars for something like that. But
either way, unfortunately, Lavara probably tell you a story where
those rookie dinners used to be real. They were that,
they were real. They were real at the Pro Bowl
they were real, and and the numbers are not exaggerated
when talking about how how high those you you know
(37:45):
you got thousand dollars shots like that Louis. I learned
about Louis very quickly when I when I became a pro,
didn't know anything about it until you know, Bruce Smith
and Dan Wilkinson and Marco Coleman. Yeah, did you see
thousand dollars shots? Yes? Oh yeah, oh yeah. How is
that possible? Man? It's that expensive. Some people mark it
(38:09):
up to where they'll charge you a thousand dollars a shot.
Trust me, I'm we witning this stuff. It is. It
is not fun to play with. So that bill could
go up one one toast could cost you one toast,
can do you? That's That's what I tell you. They
didn't have to get drunk or eat too much. To
get to twenties some thousand dollars. It just depends on
(38:30):
how many guys went out. So it is what it is.
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