September 14, 2022 • 51 mins
Wednesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Broncos rookie HC Nathaniel Hackett owns up to making the wrong choice at the end of MNF. Jerry Jones and the Cowboys hold onto hope for Dak returning in 4 weeks but the truth is their season is already over, 1 game into the season. Plus, the Old P, Petros Papadakis jumps on to talk College Football Mascots, Civil War Fun Facts and the firing of Scott Frost.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar areas ready, Quinn and Jonas knocks on radio?
How the hell we feel in here on a Wednesday? Boys? Huh?
Mid week? Getting ready? Now? Are we ready to turn
the page on Week one in the NFL and get
ready for Week two? We still got drama? It feels
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like in some spots around the league. How about Yeah,
where's the drama? What do you mean? Do you even
mean in Denver? I mean they got they got some
issues there were one. Is that drama or I mean,
what would you categorize that? I would categorize it as
we're one game into a coaching regime and already people
are giving him the side eye going Nathaniel Hackett not
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not looking too hot after one game, which is unfortunate.
What did he do yesterday? Well, he came out and
he acknowledged that jeez, that's three minutes in. Uh. He
he brought up the fact that he may have made
a regrettable choice in the decision to kick and attempt
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a sixty four yard field goal as opposed to going
for it on fourth down. And and if you don't
believe us, I mean, take it from the Broncos head coach.
You had this to say. You know, looking back at it,
we definitely should have gone for it. Um, just not
not you know, one of those things you look back
at it and you say, of course we should go
for it. We missed the field goal. Um. But in
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that situation, we had a plan. I mean we had
a plan. We knew that forty six was the mark.
We were third and fifteen, I think third and thirteen.
I'm more upset about that play before it to lose
yards to be able to you know, getting that there
would have definitely been better to be able to call
that same play and get extra yards. But um, he
dumps it out to Javonte. Javonte makes a move, goes
a lot farther than I think we had anticipated. We
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were expecting to go for it on fourth down, and
then you hit the mark, you know, the market we
had all set before we started. We said forty six
yards forty six yard line was where we wanted to be,
and we got there. So we had to make the
decision if we wanted to give it to you know, Brandon,
and we did and didn't work. It sucks, but hey,
that's part of it. Yep. So that's just all part
of it, and it all played out on national television. Um,
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you know what he sounded like. He sounded like one
of those like young people out there who um was
like really giddy about you know, Hey, I made a mistake,
but you know what, I learned from it and I'm
gonna be better next time. It was like okayum, but
that was that was a pretty big mistake. And you're
not like, uh, you know, you know you're a little
kid anymore. You're actually like a grown man, you know. Look.
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I love how he discussed how he went about doing it,
say like he wasn't resulting, he wasn't looking at the
result of it, saying, you know, we we we should
have did something different because of what happened with the
field goal, because if they make the field goal, we're
not having this conversation, right. But that wasn't what he said.
He said, we had a process we talked about in
the forty six yard line was the mark to get to.
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Which the odd thing about that is that's like a
last second, dire circumstance with to McManus, like when they
asked him to forty six yard line which equitted to
a sixty four yard field goal. That had to have
been like, hey, what's the furthest back? You can make
it from in the stadium? Where would you want to be?
That's the bare minimum accomplishment on the drive, right, Not
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only a bare minimum accomplishment, but like, hey, where do
we have a shot? Like where do we need to
get to to have a shot for all this? Right?
And if he said the forty six, you're going okay,
but that doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna make it, Like
what does he won for eight of kicks over sixty yards?
I mean they had to have been thinking in their head,
we have a greater chance of us converting a fourth
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and five versus kicking at sixty four yard field goal,
just in the history of the NFL kickers making that,
whether it's Brendon McManus or anyone else for that matter.
And on top of it, like I do think there's
an element of you're paying Russell Wilson over two or
a million bucks. At some point you got to say, yeah,
this is why we brought him in here, this, this
is why he's our quarterback to make plays like this.
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This is what we did to have the last few
years when we felt like we were missing that one piece,
that quarterback away. It's this guy who supposed to come
in and do this. So I'm glad he was able
to admit fault. You know, people have a really hard
time admitting they made a mistake. But you start doing
this week after week after week, trust me, like, no
one's gonna be on board on this, and he's almost
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like so giddy and admitting that he made a mistaken point. Man,
we definitely were wrong. We should have went for it,
like yeah, man, like we were all saying that. It
actually in the moment, we were all saying that. So
I would be very curious to hear what the Walden family,
who just bought the team is thinking about all this.
You gotta have a level of patients and and have
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a level of emotional i Q. You know, read out
and you know that that was a game. It certainly
got messed up even before even before the decision to
kill the ball. I mean just the amount of time
it took to to call time out, Like there was
just mismanagement of the scenario. Um, but you know, it's
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week one. If there's a week to give someone grace
or to give them like I could see if this happened,
like to say, first round of the playoffs. You know,
you you're you're up against it. You decide that this
is the right decision at least at least execute the
way you're leading up to the decision with with accuracy
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and and and precision. I just think that it was
indecisive and and it showed and and you know, you're
sitting there and there's so many people, I mean, how
many people were sitting in there, bid or in and
well it could be in your bedroom, could have been
in the living room, could have been wherever that you're
you know, bar or whatever, it could have been anywhere.
Come on, and and was saying call time out, like
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time out? You know how many people on? How many
people stopped doing what they were doing in that moment
and we're calling time out before the coach, did you know?
So my whole thing is, yeah, none, none of us
would be able to do what he's doing, um in
that moment. I mean maybe some of us, but you
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know what I mean, it's you know, it's it's real time.
But I just think that he could have handled it differently.
And that's something that you'll find out very quickly. Either
he's gonna learn quickly because that's a talented group he's
got there. That that was that was the better football team.
On paper, it was probably the better football team in
the game. Um they mismanaged the gold line. Um, they
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just they mismanaged a few things in that game where
if you what what the I saw some people on
Twitter talking about, hey, this is why Russell Wilson doesn't
had the ball off on the one yard line, Like
it's like some of us like retroactively connecting it back
to Seattle. I thought abound that kind of funny because
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it was it doesn't matter either way. They're turning the
football over. But also, like to LaVar's point, if you
want to go back and identify, hey, what were the
real big moments of the game, it wasn't the sixty
four yard field goal attempt. They fundled the ball twice
on the goal line, and that's not even part of
the conversation. It feels like we like we've people have
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already identified who the scapegoat is going to be if
this season turns into a disaster. Can I say this,
I mean, that's the crown you wear when you're the
the head coach. They didn't hit. They didn't hit in
the preseason. They didn't play in the preseason. None of
the starters played. And it showed like I think it
showed in the preseason in general, that the lack of
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hitting and the way they went about training camp, because
dever looks soft, and at times in this game they
looked soft. I mean their defense. Mean watching them, you know,
play at times, I'm going, man, this is such a
like long departure from what they were under Vic Fangio,
where you felt suffocating with that defense. And they've got
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Randy Gregory, they've got Bradley Chubb, they've got great pieces
in the secondary. It was not that some of them
were making plays, but but not not enough. I mean,
when you have a quarterback who basically goes almost perfect
in the first half passing, that's not making plays, that's
not pressure, that's not doing anything. I mean all this
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off coverage they're playing too. I Mean, it's just it
was a long departure from what it was under Vic Fangio,
and I'm more concerned for them and maybe the narrative
around it for a few reasons. I Mean, I think
one you have a really young staff, first time defensive
play caller, you got a first time head coach. I mean,
it's all like first timers. And it showed at the
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end of the game where inexperience tends to show. And
even as talented as that roster is, if you will
put those players in a position to be able to succeed,
they can only do so much. And so at the
end of the game. That's why I kind of kept thinking, back, man,
if you're Russell, and just from my experience being with
him and being in that quarterback room and knowing how
much Pete Carroll emphasized two minutes. I've told this story before.
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They used to install two minute was was one of
the first things they did, which is really unique, which
is really unique for any offense. You're like, no, it's
first second down installed based offense. No, No, they did
two minutes because Pete Carroll always says most games in
the NFL are decided in two minutes, so that should
be the thing you can rely on the most. And
so when he was in Seattle, that was why Russell
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was so good. The team was so good in the
situations because they practiced them. That was the first thing
they did every year, every year, and so it was
just shocking to me that Russell would have turned called
a time out, that he would have taken control of
that scenario, because that's the thing, especially in the West
Coast offense, there's times when like they let you call
the two minute, you're not looking the side line, you're
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out there calling it the head coach or off it's
a coordinator goes over like what players, you're looking at
what you're saying, and you call it and you're kind
of controlling it because it's faster that way. So it
was just surprising to me not only how Nathaniel Hack
and his staff handling, because there always should be someone
in the box telling hey, time out here, do this?
Do that? Like they've got that sheet, they know, they
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should know situationally what they're doing. Not only did they
not have that going on, but even Russell in that
instance wasn't saying time out, dude, what are you doing?
Like we have three time outs? We need to save
time here because I'm gonna go pick up this first
down or you want to kick it no, Like I'm
not gonna have you try a sixty four yard field
goal this game. For me to come to Denver. Everything
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I went through. You know you're putting this on my back.
Let me get it closer before we take a field
goal or exhaust all efforts. That was wild. Everybody knew
that except the head coach. Although it just uh, this
is exactly why I would never want to have my
coaching debut in prime time ever with everybody watching. I'm good. Ever,
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sure it doesn't want on a Monday night football they
can't seem to win. Just just bury me in the
early slated games. Shall we go back in here, just
off the top holding thing a hack? It's so giddy
to tell everyone who was wrong. He come, he's excited. Look,
you make mistakes, you want to just come on, Nathaniel,
speak up. You know, looking back at it, we definitely
should have gone for it. Um, just look back at it,
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and you say, of course we should go for it.
We missed the field goal. Um, but in that situation
we had to put that point. We had a phen
You're just like, okay, yeah, definitely man like dude, we
definitely should have gone for Definitely, this what a was.
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It's like, you know, upont for the review CALLI should
have gone for it. It is. I think, come and
joke if somebody would have told me what the situation was,
definitely good boy. I'm just happy to be here. Man,
I'm just happy to be here. But man, we definitely
should have went for Sorry sorry guys. Oh man, Well,
at least they're in a in a division that doesn't
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have any other good teams and no big deal, like
it's not like every win probably matters not to me, Yeah,
it's all good. You know, you're just in a in
a nightmare conference and and there's teams that look so good.
You want to know how I was thinking you brought
this up. I think a little bit yesterday where you
were saying Brady that people like I think forgot about
the Bills already, We forget like how good they were like,
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and then you see Kansas City and then you see
the Chargers and you see some of these other teams,
and you realize that's just murderers row when it comes
to having to deal with anybody in that conference. So
you lose that game, and now you're in a tough
spot if you're don't worry it though, don't get it
right the next timely, definitely not don't worry about it,
it'll be better after that next time. You never definitely
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think it'll get better the next time, even if it doesn't. LeVar,
have you ever looked at your young men in the
eyes have been like, definitely should have did this? Sorry, guys,
I was way off. I can't say I have. I
would have been more like remorseful. I would have been like,
you know, um, I'm an absolute moron. I'm an idiot,
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I'm an imbecile. I can't believe I made that decision.
I let my fan, the fans down, this team down,
our ownership, Like I would have been so much more
down instead of excited. Like, man, I royally messed that up.
But it was just a real epiphany, you know, in
that very moment, In that very moment, he had a
real epiphany, like I really did mess this up. Be
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So we've got unbelievable. You are a scum ac and
a half uh Bert, Oh, he's just he's on one.
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He's just that's that's that's Berto. People are asking yesterday
if we can get the off air version of Roberto. No,
if we cannot trust me we can. We could absolutely not.
It would cost some some people a lot around here
if that happened. So we moved forward to the situation
with the Dallas Cowboys. They've got a problem. Their quarterback
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is now out, and that was a quarterback who helped
produce a three point performance. I believe they were the
only team in the NFL that did not score a
touchdown in the opening week of the season. Lavars Dallas
Cowboys and um Jerry Jones, the owner of the Cowboys,
was on his one of it I think it is
two weekly visits with the fan in Dallas, and he
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gave an update, a very positive, optimistic update about the
status of Dak Prescott and the surgery and when the
timeline is and when Dad could possibly return. If we
thought he wasn't going to be ready to go for
four games, if till after four games, we would put
him on an hour We're not doing that. We think
he can come in and play, so we don't want
to not have him out there practicing. We want him
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getting prepared and we'll see how he handles us saying
how heals, mainly how he can have his strength and
grip the ball, what his status is. But that's not
being an optimist. The proof is that we've got a
good surgery, got a good technique, and feel better about
it that we did Sunday night. Okay, if he comes
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back in four weeks, what the hell is he going
to look like with that sort of an injury? Quarterback
of the Show, Brady Quinn, It's it's hard to sell.
Um I would say this. I mean, it takes bones
usually about six weeks to heal. And if he's got
a fracture like they say, I would imagine there's gonna
be a certain degree of pain tolerance he's dealing with.
And the hard thing about shooting it up and numbing
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it is as a quarterback, you want to have that
fuel the football. You want to have that fuel not
only for your grip but for your release you're right,
and how you spin the football. Um, if you numb
up you know, let's say that part of your hand,
or even if you take away some sort of pain killer,
you don't quite have it. It's gonna feel awkward. You know,
it might lead to some inconsistencies or inaccuracies, so you
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gotta be careful about all of it. Beside the standpoint
that he's probably gonna be in shotgun, he's not gonna
be taking a snap. You know, when you're under center,
that right hand of his, that throwing hand, that's that's
the top part that you're actually like lifting up the
center with, and that's the hand he's gonna snap to, Like,
that's the spot that he's looking to hit. Is literally
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the meat of your right hand, if your right handed quarterback,
and that thumb sometimes ends up getting hit, and so
you're not gonna want to do that to him. So
they're gonna be an offense that stays in shotgun, which
you know, I think hurts the running game a bit
um and you can probably ask Zeke and Tony Polar that.
But they're gonna to make concessions for what he's doing.
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You know, I don't know that he's gonna be as
good down the field throwing the football might have to
be short intermediate passes, screens, things like that, So it's
hard to dictate what it's gonna look like four weeks
from now. But I think this is a mistake on
the part of the Dallas Cowboys. Um maybe it's stubbornness.
Um they know the injury obviously and the process better
than I do. I haven't had this sort of fracture
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in my thumb. I've only had the mallet finger. But
I can tell you this much. When your grip is effected,
it takes a while to come back from it. And
depending on the plate and screws they put in, it's
gonna feel different, and it's gonna take him time to
adapt and adjust to whatever that new grip, whatever that
new feel is on the football, and it could look ugly,
like we saw from Russell Wilson last year. It could
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look ugly. Here's what I'll say. They were gonna struggle
with a healthy hand on Dak Prescott, so it can't
be too far off from what the struggle is going
to be with a healthy Dak Prescott, then what it
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is with uh an altered throwing hand of Dak Prescott.
I just think that I think the offense is going
to struggle, and they were going to struggle, so whatever
that is, I mean, they'll probably struggle more sure with
without Dak Prescott. In there. They'll probably struggle more with
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uh an altered hand of Dak Prescott. But nonetheless, I
just think this offense was going to struggle, and that
was confirmed in Week one. Now what they do moving forward,
You know, the cool thing about football is, and a
cool thing about sports is you can get out there
and you can always prove people wrong or you can
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prove them right. It's like a fifty fifty proposition. Some
people think that Dallas still will be Okay's week one,
No need to panic. Some people don't have any faith
in Dallas being good at all. I mean it's, you know,
whatever side you fall on, they have the ability to
go out there and make it so one way or together.
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I just think that this offense is going to struggle
all season, whether he's there or not, whether it's four
weeks he needs to to get healthy enough to be
able to get out there or not. I just, you know,
I think their circumstances are their circumstances there. Their their
problems stem far beyond a fractured thumb of Dak Prescott.
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You don't think they're significantly worse at quarterback now than
they would have been with Dak Prescott at quarterback. Yeah,
but they were going to struggle anyway. Almost in a way,
it gives them like it gives them a reprieve in
in some regards because it's like, you don't have to
take these ales that you're gonna take with Dak Prescott
as the quarterback. It almost makes it a little bit
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better to lose without that because they didn't have a
Maria Cooper um. Yeah, I think losing. First of all,
I did not think that their offensive line had had
vastly improved from how you know, in my opinion, I
thought they were averaged last year. I didn't think that
they lived up to what what was considered to be
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a prime Pro Bowl, all pro you know, offensive line unit.
They haven't been that have been injured and largely inconsistent,
Like I said, in in bigger games. I just didn't
see them show show that they were you know, they
showed they could be competitive, they didn't show that they
were elite. And and that's why I said I felt
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like the stats were were a little bit misleading in
terms of the things that they led in because they
weren't winning big games. And and so to me, coming
into this season, I didn't feel like they I felt
like they got worse in the offseason. I didn't feel
like they got better um and they needed to focus
in on getting better are on the offensive side of
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the ball, and it didn't. I just didn't have feel
like I feel like you just don't like Dallas's like
Washington and New York. I disliked the owner of Washington
more than I disliked the owner I don't. I don't
even dislike the owner of of Dallas, and I don't
have any hard feelings towards the team. I mean set
for when we lost to them in the Super Bowl.
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You know, the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't. What was I think? Okay,
let me ask you would you rather have Dak Prescott
or Neil o'donald um. Neil o'donald took took him to
the Super Bowl. I mean, I'm just saying. Neil o'donald
did make a Super Bowl appearance. And while you can
say that it was largely in part due to a
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strong running game and in a stout defense, nonetheless, he
still was at the helm for a Super Bowl appearance.
It's not you know, he's a Super Bowl appearing quarterback.
I'm just saying, how close or Dallas. How how close
do you guys think Dallas is? Since I'm the hater
of Dallas, how how close do you guys think Dallas
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is to the super Bowl. I think they're a playoff team,
but I think they're the second tier of NFC teams.
I would put Green Bay Tampa ahead of them coming
into the season. We're just one game in. I put
green Bay Tampa probably the Rams ahead of them, and
I would put Dallas on that second tier. But I
think they have a fighting chance with Dak Prescott, and
without him, I don't think they have any chance at all. Yeah,
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I mean, I think if you're looking at the entire NFL,
I wouldn't put them or categorize them as a team
that I think is gonna win a Super Bowl. But
I'm also the last person you want to ask, because
every walk into every season, I think there's like seven
teams that can win a Super Bowl. Like I don't.
I honestly don't believe there is more than a quarter
of the league that can win a Super Bowl year
and year out. And I know last year with the
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Bengals and them getting there, that probably would have debunked.
Like my feelings on it. But the reality is the
Rams for one of those teams last year that I
thought I could win one and they ended up winning one.
And so just because the Bengals got there, that doesn't
mean they can win it. Uh. There there's flaws and
their team, right their offensive line, you know, looked awful.
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Their defense you know didn't look great, um obviously earlier
in that game. But you know that's another kind of
glaring weakness. So I just I think you go down
each team by team. You're looking at a team like
Green Bay, You're looking at a team like Tampa. You
look at a team like the Kansas City Chiefs, Buffalo Bills,
and you can go on out. I mean, obviously the
l A Rams, I think if if Stafford's healthy, even
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though we kind of tend to forget, something looked off
in their Week one matchup versus the Bills with him throwing.
So we'll see how that that that goes moving forward.
But I just I really don't believe in that many
teams have the ability to win a Super Bowl. I
think their playoff teams, but for the most part, like
Kansas City and Buffalo are so much further ahead of
everyone else, and you can even make the case of
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Tampa and I'm gonna say Green Bay and everyone's what
would you mean in the can just beat him? Come on, man,
we saw the Saints beat the Packers last year Week one.
How that turned out for Aaron Rodgers, you know, I
mean he won the MVP. Again, I just I don't
tend to overreact on that, but there's only a few
teams that really have a legitimate shot. But you don't
feel that way about Dallas. No, And that's more. You know, again,
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I think when you compare the quarterback play too, like
I just I don't I don't see Dak in that
upper echelon with some of those guys you're talking about.
And that's what I mean. Yeah, So you better have
an outrageous offensive line like they had at one point.
You better have an outrageous running game, which you had
at one point. You had better have a guy that
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can take the pressure off of the other guys like
in Amari Cooper, which they had at one point. They
don't have those things anymore. I think the toughest thing
for me, and looking at last year the schedule in
the stats is just you know, they won the games
they won like they can't control their schedule. You know,
they had some pretty big wins. I mean, obviously their
division games are always gonna be big. Um they won
in New England, if I'm not mistaken. I mean they
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didn't have the hardest schedule last year, so maybe that
played a role as far as you know what what
last year look like or big games and whatnot. I mean,
get into the playoffs, they lost to a team that
end up going an NFC championship. It's not like I
think the way they lost more spoke to not even
the fact of their inability to get to a super Bowl.
But just like we talked about with Nathaniel Hackett, like
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how that could be the way you handled that final
minute circumstance would concern you, I think moving forward every
time you get into that scenario with Mike McCarthy, just
with how they handled it last year in the playoffs.
Let me ask you, guys, if you're surprised by I'll
ask you guess the order. Because DraftKings is now reshuffled
the odds for each division of who's most likely to
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win the division and who's not. Guess the order of
favorite to least favorite in the NFC East Right now,
what would be Philly, Washington, New York, Dallas. Okay, I
would put Dallas ahead of New York even though they
got off to a good start. But yeah, I think
that's pretty much the order, all right. So Philly is
the favorite at of minus one fifty, then you've got
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the Giants at four to one, like then the Commandos
at five to one, and then Dallas is plus six fifty.
I'm sorry, I'd go bet on Washington right now. That
team looks they don't even have Chase Young right now,
and they look good. I know it's Jacksonville, but once
it look comfortable, he looked good. I just I'm I'm
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a little surprised though that if if this is why,
I think this is just an indicator that Jerry Jones
is being super optimistic. The fact that they're looking at
the Giants, who were fortunate to win that game in Tennessee,
as being more likely to win the division with Daniel
Jones at quarterback and all the all the stuff surrounding
them going into this season than Dallas would be. I
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think that's people looking at this going he can spend
the three to four weeks, all we want three of
those games, three of their first five games over the
next five weeks rather our our divisional games, and you're
probably gonna be with your backup quarterback. I just I
don't see this plane. I think the season is over
for Dallas. I mean it's over like this is like
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one game one weekend. You didn't even get through the
full week or through the full game. And I think
Dallas is in a spot where they're gonna maybe rush
him back too soon. He's not gonna be anywhere close
to their seasons over and now we're looking at potentially
a lot of overhaul and changes at several spots, not
just head coach in the off season. I think the
interesting thing is if this does lead to a change
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it head coach. It's it's been assumed that Dan Quinn
would be a guy that look at, but there's also
Sean Payne who sit out there right. I think it'd
be fascinating if Sean Payne was like, I don't know
if I want to deal with that mess and ended
up going elsewhere. If he was going to come back
and take a coaching job but ended up going elsewhere,
like that would be one where I'll be like, it
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would be hard to turn down because you know the
Jones family is gonna pay and you know they want
an offensive mind like that. Sean Payton, much like Jason
Garrett was, was a guy that they had had, you know,
in there before and want to bring back again. Hard
to say no, but it's also I mean, it's it's
a circus, right, I mean, the Dallas Cowboys are in
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this situation for Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones not allocating
more of their salary cap to a backup and making
sure they had that in place considering the potential old
line issues, as LaVar pointed out, and the injury history
of your quarterback. It's just if you really felt like
you're competing for a Super Bowl, you would have had
your roster more buttoned up by this point. It's two
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pros and a cup of Joe here. Fox Sports Radio
would go ahead, Lamar. No, I was just breathing that
one out, like yeah, like that's that's an accurate read out.
I didn't mean to cut you off there. No, you
didn't cut me out. I wasn't even Yeah, I was
just breathing through it. But I thought he was squatting
by the way, when we do the sniffs. Some people
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have sent some stuff over on Twitter where nobody's nobody's
skiing here. We just want to be clear on that
this is, uh just maybe we are just because business
of it is yours. Yeah, yeah, you powder sugar, a
little packet doughnuts to start your morning. What do you
want from us? There's nothing wrong with what we're doing.
(29:04):
You want to tell them the real reason why we
do it. So it's kind of like a flex and
it's it's what you do. Yeah, we're we're kind of
mocking you because after Jonas feels like he makes a
witty comment, he for some reason as natural tickets to go.
So it's more the transition. It's not really the witty comment.
It's more the transition. Yeah, like would make what you've
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done I called the Segway sniff. You know. I just
want to let everybody know. It's, you know, kind of
a flex a little bit, you know, just let them
know you got got a good pump in you know,
when you feel like you made a good, good transition
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Petros and Money show on the Blowtorch and five seventy
l a Sports Fox college football analyst Pee. What's happening?
Good morning, Good morning, everybody? Hello, good morning? Hello. Hello.
Now we feel and uh I'm busy. Yeah, a lot
going on. Two games this week, three games next week,
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two games the week after that. So I'm trying to
learned about the U. T. Martin sky Hawks. Mm hmm.
That's a badass mascot. It is a badass. That's really
what they got going. That's about what is what is
a sky hawk? I mean it's a hawk obviously, Well
the school, uh was? The school's not old and I
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think they used to be called the Hawks, the school
that was on the area before h U. T. Martin
took over, and so they were called the Hawks. And
then there was also Air Force training there I think
for World War Two in that area. Uh so the
sky Hawks there means that redundant. I mean, where else
would hawks be instead of the school we're it's in
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college football. I mean we have the War Eagle, and
you know, last I heard the Eagles have never even
participated in a war. So, uh, you know, it's there's
a lot of stupid stuff in college football. What's a
hokey Yeah, it's like a weird gobbling. Yeah, it's a
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fighting gobbler. What it's called. We were talking about the
Browns putting a Brownie the elf in the middle of
their field earlier today It's like they're asking me. I'm like,
I was a brown I never remember us really talking
about Brownie the Elf when we were well, I mean,
do you remember, sir Per, when you played against Carolina
Panthers Sper, Sir Pert, Yeah, you know, it's funny. I
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never played against Carolina. I didn't learn that, and so
I had to broadcast a game from there, and I
remember someone said that to me, and I'm like, is
that a foreign language? And they're like, oh, no, our
our mask. I was like, oh got you. Got you,
sir Per. What's the name of USC's horse Traveler? The
same name as Robert E. Lee's horse, which is an issue?
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Apparently enough? What is Robert Lee trying to sue him
now the other way around? Got you? Do you know
what's something that's interesting I learned about. I mean, I'm
sure a lot of people knew this, but I learned
about the Civil War is that Arlington National Cemetery was
Robert E. Lee's house and uh, and Robert E. Lee
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was They asked Robert E. Lee to lead the Union army. First,
Abraham Lincoln asked him, like, hey, would you lead this army?
And he said I would, but I can't raise a
sword against Virginia, where he's from. And so he went
to lead the other army obviously, and because like so
many people died, and it was such a shock, and
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it was unbelievably brutal war in ways that we just
can't even imagine in modern times. Uh. Because people started dying,
they just started burying them. Literally in his front yard.
They started burying all the Union soldiers there. He never
returned home to Arlington. That's his house that they turned
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into a giant bone yard because of the Civil War. Anyway,
I thought that was always I always thought that was interesting.
You know, the body's already Petris is a renaissance man.
Do you want another Civil War fun factor? Okay, the
first battle of the Civil War was at Bull Run
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in Virginia, or one of the first battles, and people
didn't like there was a lot of politicians that were like,
no one's gonna die, what are you talking about? This
is a joke. And so many people went out to
the first battle, like aristocrats, just to watch the battle.
And then we're getting knocked off. And then all of
a sudden it got really gnarly and people they stay,
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everybody started retreating. It was a big Southern victory. But anyway,
there was some guy that had a house uh right there,
and it got his uh his parlor room got exploded,
and there was like all this commotion and terrible war
and all this death at his house. And he's like,
if this, I'm moving. Uh. So he moved like into
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the deep country of Virginia because the first battle of
the Civil War was in his front yard. And then
the war literally ended in the town he moved to,
and they signed the treaty. They signed the treaty in
his living room. What's the name of the town where
where they signed the treaty. Yeah, gotta look it up.
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That's amazing though. I was like this one guy, it's
how they start the Ken Burns documentary. Uh. And it's
just the stupidest stuff that happened back in the day
that we are all like shocked by by the way.
I guess just as dumb as they used to be.
I think about a stray bullet, like like when you're
talking about back then the technology of just a rifle,
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those things were not that accurate. And well, the other
part of his was no one knew, uh, no one
had any idea. They still had old school war kind
of like revolutionary war principles where you aligned everybody up.
But the rifles were much more Uh, the rifles were
much more sophisticated. So they were like repeating rifles that
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you didn't have to reload every single time. You could
shoot them like five or six times. And that's why
people just got absolutely massacred. But for every single person
that died in a battle in its Appomattox Courthouse, that's
what it was, Appomattox, Virginia. Uh. But there's so many
weird names manassas and all those streets out there. Uh.
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But it was just horrifying to people because but for
every person that died, two died of disease. Like Camp
Randall right where Wisconsin just lost to Washington State, Okay,
that used to be a Union soldier training ground, and
then when the war started it became a prison for
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Confederate soldiers who were captured, and then when the winner came,
they all just died. Uh, And so it became a
cemetery for the Confederate soldiers. But the stadium is not
on top of the cemetery. That's a good thing, I
am positive. So it does make sense that House of
Pain would be played there. Like if you could just
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go back in time and think, yeah, yeah, it just
does what what a weird time. But people were brushing
their teeth with sandpaper. Just a weird time for everybody involved. Yeah,
they were filing down the teeth. Yeah tetho. Yeah, I heard, Yeah,
I heard a story about where those teeth were, where
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they came from, and uh not not a very nice
story or not a good look for George Washington. You
gotta kill a few elephants to get your teeth in
your head or not not elephants, maybe some you know,
some other people. Yeah, that's uh, I just I heard
some you know you look they heard. I've heard some
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heard the story. I've heard some stories that those teeth
may have belonged to somebody else. Yeah, Lafayette, to somebody
else's story. I didn't look. I mean, he doesn't read.
It's all word of mouth. You hear it from like,
thank you, second cousin of George Washington twice removes great
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great great great grandfather. He heard that story. It's good.
It's good when a good friend of yours tells everybody
you don't read on the air. It's a nice guy.
He's a nice guy. You've told me that. I'm sorry
you said, I don't read. Please, don't listen to this man.
He's an idiot. Hey, Petros called, you called the Arizona
Mississippi State game. Yeah, just figure out. I try to
(38:36):
change subjects there instead of us UM hitting towards. Look,
I looked up all these towns of Mississippi and if
you want some history, yeah, it kind of is an
interesting segue. You know Mississippi and you know civil anyway,
h Vicksburg. Yeah yeah, right, Um Mississippi went into Tucson
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and throttled the wow as were they that good? Or
was Arizona? Just where are there? Because a lot of
people had high hopes for Arizona. Yeah, well we're gonna
find out where Arizona is at this week because they're
playing uh, North Dakota State and North Dakota State. Whenever
they play an FCS team, they win the last six
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f FBS teams they've played. Excuse me, they've beaten Kansas State, Kansas.
I think they beat Iowa. I think they lost to
Iowa State in like oh six, like North Dakota States,
no joke. And they are absolutely a dominant football program
and the FCS and whenever they do go play somebody
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they go beat them, they run the hell out of
the ball. Obviously, it's places. Uh it's place like North
Dakota State that or it is North Dakota State that
Carson Wentz and East Tank and tray Lands and all
those guys are from. So it's a it's a tall
order for Arizona because they're like the Concord de la
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sal of of FCS football. They moved together as one
and they have a really good thing going Arizona. I
mean I I thought the quarterback had an absolute meltdown,
and that happens from time to time, but this one
was pretty uh pronounced. He was running all over the
place and making a lot of really bad decisions. It's
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the worst I've ever seen him play, Jaden Laura. So
I don't know if that'll I don't expect that to
happen again in that kind of way. If it does,
they might have a decision to make. But I didn't
think Arizona got beaten that bad. I I just thought
I thought Mississippi State. Uh, that guy that they have
playing quarterback, Will Rogers, it was like he was born
(40:45):
to play quarterback for Leech. He gets slinging man. Yeah,
he gets the ball out. He's really accurate. He leads
the hell out of that offense. They have big, huge
outside receivers, little tiny fast cuts on the inside, tough
running backs. I mean, that's as good of a leech
offense in what he does, I think is probably as
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as he had back at Texas Tech with Crabtree and
Graham Harrold there. They were really impressive to me and
fun to watch, and I love their beef. They had
a Sam backer Wheat was his name. He's a seventy pounds,
you know, and he could move. So I had a
lot had a lot of fun watching it. I hadn't
done an SEC last SEC game I did on TV
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USC hung seventy on Arkansas, and that Arkansas team had
McFadden and Peyton Hillis and uh uh Felix Jones. Yeah,
they they had a lot of guys, so uh it
was a great game. Good man. Well, a lot of
people have a problem with my voice, but you know
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there's gonna be a lot of it on TV this
week's that's um speaking of that, you'r alma mater USC.
This past week I think was the first game where
kind of saw and Gokay Stanfords had had given them
some issues in the past from time to time, kind
of one of those I don't know if you call rivalries,
but I mean they laid it on them like that
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was that was that game where I go, okay, like
I am ready to anoint them as without a doubt
a college football playoff contender. I think in part because yes,
and for this reason, I don't see many offenses operate
the way that offense can look like they're completely right
well and I have been completely control. It just looks
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like they can overwhelm anyone and and there, and here's
where we're at in college football. You know, I still
need defense to win. Georgia proved that to a degree
last year. But we kind of tend to forget how
well stets have been on the offense played in the
SEMIS and National Championship game. Like if Caleb Williams and
Jordan Addison and the rest of the entire offense plays
the way they are, I just like I don't think, like,
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for example, Fresno State, I don't think Fresno States can
be able to keep up with phone like and it's
just overwhelming when you take on a team that you
know you're gonna have to try to, you know, hang
with and and put up as many points when I
just they feel unstoppable to a degree offensively. I mean,
I'm just curious to get your thoughts on where you
feel like they're out. I know the defense isn't where
it needs to be yet, but I don't think it
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it needs to get that much better. I mean, l
s U when they went where they were like a
top fifty defense, they weren't. It wasn't like they were
that dominant defensively that year. No people were. People were
going up and down the field, uh in that game,
and USC happened to force, like they did with Rice,
a couple of turnovers right by the goal line, and
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that's great. I mean, you want your defense to force turnovers.
And to me, that's more of like an Oklahoma State model,
right what Mike Gundy does, whereas they fly up and
down the field offensively, their quarterbacks, a Heisman candidate, all
those things, and the defense forces turnovers and kind of
bends but doesn't break. And if that's the style they're
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gonna play, then they're having success with it. And you're
absolutely right. I mean, the offense is overwhelming. But there
are games and I just think Oklahoma last year where
all of a sudden, it's like you're down one to
Kansas and you just don't understand why your offense isn't working,
and it's like Kansas, what are they doing defensively to
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stop the juggernaut? Like the does this thing run like
this in every game? And I guess it's feasible to
think that it does. Uh. I don't know if that
makes them a playoff contender. It certainly makes them a
contender in the Pack twelve and somebody to be reckoned
(44:38):
with on the West coast. And that's what USC needs
to be from the West coast to be relevant. Obviously,
with the Big ten move, maybe it's a moot point.
But yes, I've I've been impressed. I've been impressed with Lincoln.
He plays a lot of guys, They play guys on defense,
They try to adjust defensively. Stanford was killing them with
r P O s in the first staff, and they
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adjusted to that. They adjusted to Rice running with a
fullback and like three tight ends Adam, so that that's
a good sign. Uh. The next two weeks will be
a really great litmus test or a Mark Twain for
sc because Jake Kayner is one of the most underrated
quarterbacks in the country. Slayer baby, Yeah, and he hates
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USC because they didn't recruit him because he grew up
rooting for him. You know, the same old story. Couple
inches short and Jay Kayner is special and Fresno State
just played a war really entertaining game against Oregon State
and Oregon State is also deeply underrated this year, and
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their quarterback Chance Nolan is really really good. So let's
see what us he does in the next two weeks
against the Like I like Tanner McKee, but let's see
what s he does against these two really really experienced
quarterbacks who have had a lot of success on West Coast,
and if they dominate them in a similar fashion, then
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we'll start talking. Brady Patros before I let you go,
what did you make of Nebraska firing Scott Frost after
three weeks? You know it just uh it stood. First
of all, I kind of like Scott Frost even though
he's a weirdo. And he is a weirdo. I'll see
a weirdo. It's just weird. He talks really quiet. Swoll No,
(46:24):
I like him. He's he's uh you know, I mean
he's got the attitude of like a hired killer or something,
you know, like you know he is. We tried that really,
you know. It's like, Okay, it's just football, you know,
I mean. But anyway, Uh, I met him when he
was the receiver coach at Oregon, so I've known him
a long time. But I'll just never forget I was doing.
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I've always been really close with Mike Riley because he
was our coordinator at USC when I first got there.
And he's a really just a great person. Uh, kind
of like Sodom and Gomorrah and he's a lot you know,
I've always loved, uh, Mike Riley. And I did a
game on a Thursday night with Mark health Rich, who's
(47:09):
a great guy in our colleague still at Fox. And
we were in a Champagne or banna and it was
Nebraska at Illinois and Mike Riley beat Illinois that night. Okay,
no big deal, but the thought was and everybody just
couldn't stop talking about it. The Nebraska people, everybody all
(47:29):
the scuttle. But with health Rich, because he's a coach
and people love to tell him stuff, is that Oh
my god, We're gonna fire Mike. Scott Frost is coming
here to save us. Everything's gonna change. Nebraska football will
be back. You know, Scott Frost was still coaching at UCF,
and it was just the worst kept secret in college
football that Scott Frost was coming. And it was the
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biggest no brainer of all time for Scott Frost to
take the job. And it just goes to show how
stupid we all are, you know, or or we talked
so much like we know stuff and we just don't.
I mean, Happy State went to Texas A and m
and beat him. You know, Marshall just beat Brady. Squad
beat unheard of. I mean that's unheard of. Pretty that year.
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A lot of that going on. Yeah, but this kind
of thing like just to happen in for for two
Sunbelt teams like that to go win. I mean, it's
Georgia's Southern baby, Oh yeah, in Southern Well, you know,
Clay Helton versus Frost, the first guy that got fired
last year beats the first guy guy you knew what
powerhouse he was taken over the Sun Belt. You know,
(48:33):
hail State State. It's Georgia State. I think Georgia Southern
is a different one. I think. I think Clay Helton's
Georgia State Hale State in State Sporow. But anyway, I
think you know in Washington State, who people have talked
about for the last three months like they're the redheaded
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step child and where they gonna go and oh my god,
they're gonna be in the Ohio Conference. You know at
Washington State goes to Camp Randall and and and wins.
So it was Georgia's Southern though, by the way, oh
it is h yeah it george Southern Georgia bas uh
the who Georgia State. Just play a click take game
with I can't think state Georgia State doesn't it is
(49:23):
in Statesboro though, right, I believe so wait quick, I
don't think. How do you think Mike Bone felt about
um quick, He's right, we didn't even know. Yeah, he
is the head coach at Southern Yeah, Georgia's Southern Eagles
States borrow, Okay, we had that, Okay rival, their rival
(49:48):
is Georgia State. There you go, there, the there, the
their mascot has pounced the panther just like Super Surfer Pete.
We're gonna have some fun tomorrow. I'm gonna be Uh,
that's gonna be a real adventure for me because I
have to speak. I've been trying to call you. I
(50:10):
have to speak in Catalina Island that night. And there's
no way I can go into it. I can't go
to the backside. Don't go on the backside of that place.
It's basically the backside. And I have to speak to
this group in Catalina Island. It's like druids or something.
And uh, there's no way out of it. And I
got to find a way to do the show with
Jonas tomorrow and do my calls with you, t martin
(50:33):
Hail State and uh, North Dakota it work and uh
and uh and then I have to either chopper or
take a fast boat or at the elon must sky
link and do it from there. In the canyon with
the White Giant used the used the crank rocket, the
one he sends into space A debris falls off of it.
Think we're going to be the sets its skin. Sorry,
(50:57):
we'll figure it out. Petro's that's got a lot of
the skin. Get him on Twitter at the Old p
I is the co host of the Petros and Money
Shawn a five seventy l a Sports Fox Colts football analysts.
He's calling like seventeen games in the next three weeks. Yeah,
we'll listen. We'll round up petros. We appreciate it, thanks
(51:19):
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Joe with Lamar areas ready, Quinn and Jonas knocks on radio?
How the hell we feel in here on a Wednesday? Boys? Huh?
Mid week? Getting ready? Now? Are we ready to turn
the page on Week one in the NFL and get
ready for Week two? We still got drama? It feels
(00:23):
like in some spots around the league. How about Yeah,
where's the drama? What do you mean? Do you even
mean in Denver? I mean they got they got some
issues there were one. Is that drama or I mean,
what would you categorize that? I would categorize it as
we're one game into a coaching regime and already people
are giving him the side eye going Nathaniel Hackett not
(00:44):
not looking too hot after one game, which is unfortunate.
What did he do yesterday? Well, he came out and
he acknowledged that jeez, that's three minutes in. Uh. He
he brought up the fact that he may have made
a regrettable choice in the decision to kick and attempt
(01:05):
a sixty four yard field goal as opposed to going
for it on fourth down. And and if you don't
believe us, I mean, take it from the Broncos head coach.
You had this to say. You know, looking back at it,
we definitely should have gone for it. Um, just not
not you know, one of those things you look back
at it and you say, of course we should go
for it. We missed the field goal. Um. But in
(01:25):
that situation, we had a plan. I mean we had
a plan. We knew that forty six was the mark.
We were third and fifteen, I think third and thirteen.
I'm more upset about that play before it to lose
yards to be able to you know, getting that there
would have definitely been better to be able to call
that same play and get extra yards. But um, he
dumps it out to Javonte. Javonte makes a move, goes
a lot farther than I think we had anticipated. We
(01:47):
were expecting to go for it on fourth down, and
then you hit the mark, you know, the market we
had all set before we started. We said forty six
yards forty six yard line was where we wanted to be,
and we got there. So we had to make the
decision if we wanted to give it to you know, Brandon,
and we did and didn't work. It sucks, but hey,
that's part of it. Yep. So that's just all part
of it, and it all played out on national television. Um,
(02:10):
you know what he sounded like. He sounded like one
of those like young people out there who um was
like really giddy about you know, Hey, I made a mistake,
but you know what, I learned from it and I'm
gonna be better next time. It was like okayum, but
that was that was a pretty big mistake. And you're
not like, uh, you know, you know you're a little
kid anymore. You're actually like a grown man, you know. Look.
(02:31):
I love how he discussed how he went about doing it,
say like he wasn't resulting, he wasn't looking at the
result of it, saying, you know, we we we should
have did something different because of what happened with the
field goal, because if they make the field goal, we're
not having this conversation, right. But that wasn't what he said.
He said, we had a process we talked about in
the forty six yard line was the mark to get to.
(02:52):
Which the odd thing about that is that's like a
last second, dire circumstance with to McManus, like when they
asked him to forty six yard line which equitted to
a sixty four yard field goal. That had to have
been like, hey, what's the furthest back? You can make
it from in the stadium? Where would you want to be?
That's the bare minimum accomplishment on the drive, right, Not
(03:14):
only a bare minimum accomplishment, but like, hey, where do
we have a shot? Like where do we need to
get to to have a shot for all this? Right?
And if he said the forty six, you're going okay,
but that doesn't necessarily mean he's gonna make it, Like
what does he won for eight of kicks over sixty yards?
I mean they had to have been thinking in their head,
we have a greater chance of us converting a fourth
(03:36):
and five versus kicking at sixty four yard field goal,
just in the history of the NFL kickers making that,
whether it's Brendon McManus or anyone else for that matter.
And on top of it, like I do think there's
an element of you're paying Russell Wilson over two or
a million bucks. At some point you got to say, yeah,
this is why we brought him in here, this, this
is why he's our quarterback to make plays like this.
(03:58):
This is what we did to have the last few
years when we felt like we were missing that one piece,
that quarterback away. It's this guy who supposed to come
in and do this. So I'm glad he was able
to admit fault. You know, people have a really hard
time admitting they made a mistake. But you start doing
this week after week after week, trust me, like, no
one's gonna be on board on this, and he's almost
(04:21):
like so giddy and admitting that he made a mistaken point. Man,
we definitely were wrong. We should have went for it,
like yeah, man, like we were all saying that. It
actually in the moment, we were all saying that. So
I would be very curious to hear what the Walden family,
who just bought the team is thinking about all this.
You gotta have a level of patients and and have
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a level of emotional i Q. You know, read out
and you know that that was a game. It certainly
got messed up even before even before the decision to
kill the ball. I mean just the amount of time
it took to to call time out, Like there was
just mismanagement of the scenario. Um, but you know, it's
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week one. If there's a week to give someone grace
or to give them like I could see if this happened,
like to say, first round of the playoffs. You know,
you you're you're up against it. You decide that this
is the right decision at least at least execute the
way you're leading up to the decision with with accuracy
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and and and precision. I just think that it was
indecisive and and it showed and and you know, you're
sitting there and there's so many people, I mean, how
many people were sitting in there, bid or in and
well it could be in your bedroom, could have been
in the living room, could have been wherever that you're
you know, bar or whatever, it could have been anywhere.
Come on, and and was saying call time out, like
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time out? You know how many people on? How many
people stopped doing what they were doing in that moment
and we're calling time out before the coach, did you know?
So my whole thing is, yeah, none, none of us
would be able to do what he's doing, um in
that moment. I mean maybe some of us, but you
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know what I mean, it's you know, it's it's real time.
But I just think that he could have handled it differently.
And that's something that you'll find out very quickly. Either
he's gonna learn quickly because that's a talented group he's
got there. That that was that was the better football team.
On paper, it was probably the better football team in
the game. Um they mismanaged the gold line. Um, they
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just they mismanaged a few things in that game where
if you what what the I saw some people on
Twitter talking about, hey, this is why Russell Wilson doesn't
had the ball off on the one yard line, Like
it's like some of us like retroactively connecting it back
to Seattle. I thought abound that kind of funny because
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it was it doesn't matter either way. They're turning the
football over. But also, like to LaVar's point, if you
want to go back and identify, hey, what were the
real big moments of the game, it wasn't the sixty
four yard field goal attempt. They fundled the ball twice
on the goal line, and that's not even part of
the conversation. It feels like we like we've people have
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already identified who the scapegoat is going to be if
this season turns into a disaster. Can I say this,
I mean, that's the crown you wear when you're the
the head coach. They didn't hit. They didn't hit in
the preseason. They didn't play in the preseason. None of
the starters played. And it showed like I think it
showed in the preseason in general, that the lack of
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hitting and the way they went about training camp, because
dever looks soft, and at times in this game they
looked soft. I mean their defense. Mean watching them, you know,
play at times, I'm going, man, this is such a
like long departure from what they were under Vic Fangio,
where you felt suffocating with that defense. And they've got
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Randy Gregory, they've got Bradley Chubb, they've got great pieces
in the secondary. It was not that some of them
were making plays, but but not not enough. I mean,
when you have a quarterback who basically goes almost perfect
in the first half passing, that's not making plays, that's
not pressure, that's not doing anything. I mean all this
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off coverage they're playing too. I Mean, it's just it
was a long departure from what it was under Vic Fangio,
and I'm more concerned for them and maybe the narrative
around it for a few reasons. I Mean, I think
one you have a really young staff, first time defensive
play caller, you got a first time head coach. I mean,
it's all like first timers. And it showed at the
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end of the game where inexperience tends to show. And
even as talented as that roster is, if you will
put those players in a position to be able to succeed,
they can only do so much. And so at the
end of the game. That's why I kind of kept thinking, back, man,
if you're Russell, and just from my experience being with
him and being in that quarterback room and knowing how
much Pete Carroll emphasized two minutes. I've told this story before.
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They used to install two minute was was one of
the first things they did, which is really unique, which
is really unique for any offense. You're like, no, it's
first second down installed based offense. No, No, they did
two minutes because Pete Carroll always says most games in
the NFL are decided in two minutes, so that should
be the thing you can rely on the most. And
so when he was in Seattle, that was why Russell
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was so good. The team was so good in the
situations because they practiced them. That was the first thing
they did every year, every year, and so it was
just shocking to me that Russell would have turned called
a time out, that he would have taken control of
that scenario, because that's the thing, especially in the West
Coast offense, there's times when like they let you call
the two minute, you're not looking the side line, you're
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out there calling it the head coach or off it's
a coordinator goes over like what players, you're looking at
what you're saying, and you call it and you're kind
of controlling it because it's faster that way. So it
was just surprising to me not only how Nathaniel Hack
and his staff handling, because there always should be someone
in the box telling hey, time out here, do this?
Do that? Like they've got that sheet, they know, they
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should know situationally what they're doing. Not only did they
not have that going on, but even Russell in that
instance wasn't saying time out, dude, what are you doing?
Like we have three time outs? We need to save
time here because I'm gonna go pick up this first
down or you want to kick it no, Like I'm
not gonna have you try a sixty four yard field
goal this game. For me to come to Denver. Everything
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I went through. You know you're putting this on my back.
Let me get it closer before we take a field
goal or exhaust all efforts. That was wild. Everybody knew
that except the head coach. Although it just uh, this
is exactly why I would never want to have my
coaching debut in prime time ever with everybody watching. I'm good. Ever,
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sure it doesn't want on a Monday night football they
can't seem to win. Just just bury me in the
early slated games. Shall we go back in here, just
off the top holding thing a hack? It's so giddy
to tell everyone who was wrong. He come, he's excited. Look,
you make mistakes, you want to just come on, Nathaniel,
speak up. You know, looking back at it, we definitely
should have gone for it. Um, just look back at it,
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and you say, of course we should go for it.
We missed the field goal. Um, but in that situation
we had to put that point. We had a phen
You're just like, okay, yeah, definitely man like dude, we
definitely should have gone for Definitely, this what a was.
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It's like, you know, upont for the review CALLI should
have gone for it. It is. I think, come and
joke if somebody would have told me what the situation was,
definitely good boy. I'm just happy to be here. Man,
I'm just happy to be here. But man, we definitely
should have went for Sorry sorry guys. Oh man, Well,
at least they're in a in a division that doesn't
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have any other good teams and no big deal, like
it's not like every win probably matters not to me, Yeah,
it's all good. You know, you're just in a in
a nightmare conference and and there's teams that look so good.
You want to know how I was thinking you brought
this up. I think a little bit yesterday where you
were saying Brady that people like I think forgot about
the Bills already, We forget like how good they were like,
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and then you see Kansas City and then you see
the Chargers and you see some of these other teams,
and you realize that's just murderers row when it comes
to having to deal with anybody in that conference. So
you lose that game, and now you're in a tough
spot if you're don't worry it though, don't get it
right the next timely, definitely not don't worry about it,
it'll be better after that next time. You never definitely
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think it'll get better the next time, even if it doesn't. LeVar,
have you ever looked at your young men in the
eyes have been like, definitely should have did this? Sorry, guys,
I was way off. I can't say I have. I
would have been more like remorseful. I would have been like,
you know, um, I'm an absolute moron. I'm an idiot,
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I'm an imbecile. I can't believe I made that decision.
I let my fan, the fans down, this team down,
our ownership, Like I would have been so much more
down instead of excited. Like, man, I royally messed that up.
But it was just a real epiphany, you know, in
that very moment, In that very moment, he had a
real epiphany, like I really did mess this up. Be
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So we've got unbelievable. You are a scum ac and
a half uh Bert, Oh, he's just he's on one.
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He's just that's that's that's Berto. People are asking yesterday
if we can get the off air version of Roberto. No,
if we cannot trust me we can. We could absolutely not.
It would cost some some people a lot around here
if that happened. So we moved forward to the situation
with the Dallas Cowboys. They've got a problem. Their quarterback
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is now out, and that was a quarterback who helped
produce a three point performance. I believe they were the
only team in the NFL that did not score a
touchdown in the opening week of the season. Lavars Dallas
Cowboys and um Jerry Jones, the owner of the Cowboys,
was on his one of it I think it is
two weekly visits with the fan in Dallas, and he
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gave an update, a very positive, optimistic update about the
status of Dak Prescott and the surgery and when the
timeline is and when Dad could possibly return. If we
thought he wasn't going to be ready to go for
four games, if till after four games, we would put
him on an hour We're not doing that. We think
he can come in and play, so we don't want
to not have him out there practicing. We want him
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getting prepared and we'll see how he handles us saying
how heals, mainly how he can have his strength and
grip the ball, what his status is. But that's not
being an optimist. The proof is that we've got a
good surgery, got a good technique, and feel better about
it that we did Sunday night. Okay, if he comes
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back in four weeks, what the hell is he going
to look like with that sort of an injury? Quarterback
of the Show, Brady Quinn, It's it's hard to sell.
Um I would say this. I mean, it takes bones
usually about six weeks to heal. And if he's got
a fracture like they say, I would imagine there's gonna
be a certain degree of pain tolerance he's dealing with.
And the hard thing about shooting it up and numbing
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it is as a quarterback, you want to have that
fuel the football. You want to have that fuel not
only for your grip but for your release you're right,
and how you spin the football. Um, if you numb
up you know, let's say that part of your hand,
or even if you take away some sort of pain killer,
you don't quite have it. It's gonna feel awkward. You know,
it might lead to some inconsistencies or inaccuracies, so you
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gotta be careful about all of it. Beside the standpoint
that he's probably gonna be in shotgun, he's not gonna
be taking a snap. You know, when you're under center,
that right hand of his, that throwing hand, that's that's
the top part that you're actually like lifting up the
center with, and that's the hand he's gonna snap to, Like,
that's the spot that he's looking to hit. Is literally
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the meat of your right hand, if your right handed quarterback,
and that thumb sometimes ends up getting hit, and so
you're not gonna want to do that to him. So
they're gonna be an offense that stays in shotgun, which
you know, I think hurts the running game a bit
um and you can probably ask Zeke and Tony Polar that.
But they're gonna to make concessions for what he's doing.
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You know, I don't know that he's gonna be as
good down the field throwing the football might have to
be short intermediate passes, screens, things like that, So it's
hard to dictate what it's gonna look like four weeks
from now. But I think this is a mistake on
the part of the Dallas Cowboys. Um maybe it's stubbornness.
Um they know the injury obviously and the process better
than I do. I haven't had this sort of fracture
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in my thumb. I've only had the mallet finger. But
I can tell you this much. When your grip is effected,
it takes a while to come back from it. And
depending on the plate and screws they put in, it's
gonna feel different, and it's gonna take him time to
adapt and adjust to whatever that new grip, whatever that
new feel is on the football, and it could look ugly,
like we saw from Russell Wilson last year. It could
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look ugly. Here's what I'll say. They were gonna struggle
with a healthy hand on Dak Prescott, so it can't
be too far off from what the struggle is going
to be with a healthy Dak Prescott, then what it
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is with uh an altered throwing hand of Dak Prescott.
I just think that I think the offense is going
to struggle, and they were going to struggle, so whatever
that is, I mean, they'll probably struggle more sure with
without Dak Prescott. In there. They'll probably struggle more with
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uh an altered hand of Dak Prescott. But nonetheless, I
just think this offense was going to struggle, and that
was confirmed in Week one. Now what they do moving forward,
You know, the cool thing about football is, and a
cool thing about sports is you can get out there
and you can always prove people wrong or you can
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prove them right. It's like a fifty fifty proposition. Some
people think that Dallas still will be Okay's week one,
No need to panic. Some people don't have any faith
in Dallas being good at all. I mean it's, you know,
whatever side you fall on, they have the ability to
go out there and make it so one way or together.
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I just think that this offense is going to struggle
all season, whether he's there or not, whether it's four
weeks he needs to to get healthy enough to be
able to get out there or not. I just, you know,
I think their circumstances are their circumstances there. Their their
problems stem far beyond a fractured thumb of Dak Prescott.
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You don't think they're significantly worse at quarterback now than
they would have been with Dak Prescott at quarterback. Yeah,
but they were going to struggle anyway. Almost in a way,
it gives them like it gives them a reprieve in
in some regards because it's like, you don't have to
take these ales that you're gonna take with Dak Prescott
as the quarterback. It almost makes it a little bit
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better to lose without that because they didn't have a
Maria Cooper um. Yeah, I think losing. First of all,
I did not think that their offensive line had had
vastly improved from how you know, in my opinion, I
thought they were averaged last year. I didn't think that
they lived up to what what was considered to be
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a prime Pro Bowl, all pro you know, offensive line unit.
They haven't been that have been injured and largely inconsistent,
Like I said, in in bigger games. I just didn't
see them show show that they were you know, they
showed they could be competitive, they didn't show that they
were elite. And and that's why I said I felt
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like the stats were were a little bit misleading in
terms of the things that they led in because they
weren't winning big games. And and so to me, coming
into this season, I didn't feel like they I felt
like they got worse in the offseason. I didn't feel
like they got better um and they needed to focus
in on getting better are on the offensive side of
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the ball, and it didn't. I just didn't have feel
like I feel like you just don't like Dallas's like
Washington and New York. I disliked the owner of Washington
more than I disliked the owner I don't. I don't
even dislike the owner of of Dallas, and I don't
have any hard feelings towards the team. I mean set
for when we lost to them in the Super Bowl.
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You know, the Pittsburgh Steelers didn't. What was I think? Okay,
let me ask you would you rather have Dak Prescott
or Neil o'donald um. Neil o'donald took took him to
the Super Bowl. I mean, I'm just saying. Neil o'donald
did make a Super Bowl appearance. And while you can
say that it was largely in part due to a
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strong running game and in a stout defense, nonetheless, he
still was at the helm for a Super Bowl appearance.
It's not you know, he's a Super Bowl appearing quarterback.
I'm just saying, how close or Dallas. How how close
do you guys think Dallas is? Since I'm the hater
of Dallas, how how close do you guys think Dallas
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is to the super Bowl. I think they're a playoff team,
but I think they're the second tier of NFC teams.
I would put Green Bay Tampa ahead of them coming
into the season. We're just one game in. I put
green Bay Tampa probably the Rams ahead of them, and
I would put Dallas on that second tier. But I
think they have a fighting chance with Dak Prescott, and
without him, I don't think they have any chance at all. Yeah,
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I mean, I think if you're looking at the entire NFL,
I wouldn't put them or categorize them as a team
that I think is gonna win a Super Bowl. But
I'm also the last person you want to ask, because
every walk into every season, I think there's like seven
teams that can win a Super Bowl. Like I don't.
I honestly don't believe there is more than a quarter
of the league that can win a Super Bowl year
and year out. And I know last year with the
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Bengals and them getting there, that probably would have debunked.
Like my feelings on it. But the reality is the
Rams for one of those teams last year that I
thought I could win one and they ended up winning one.
And so just because the Bengals got there, that doesn't
mean they can win it. Uh. There there's flaws and
their team, right their offensive line, you know, looked awful.
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Their defense you know didn't look great, um obviously earlier
in that game. But you know that's another kind of
glaring weakness. So I just I think you go down
each team by team. You're looking at a team like
Green Bay, You're looking at a team like Tampa. You
look at a team like the Kansas City Chiefs, Buffalo Bills,
and you can go on out. I mean, obviously the
l A Rams, I think if if Stafford's healthy, even
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though we kind of tend to forget, something looked off
in their Week one matchup versus the Bills with him throwing.
So we'll see how that that that goes moving forward.
But I just I really don't believe in that many
teams have the ability to win a Super Bowl. I
think their playoff teams, but for the most part, like
Kansas City and Buffalo are so much further ahead of
everyone else, and you can even make the case of
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Tampa and I'm gonna say Green Bay and everyone's what
would you mean in the can just beat him? Come on, man,
we saw the Saints beat the Packers last year Week one.
How that turned out for Aaron Rodgers, you know, I
mean he won the MVP. Again, I just I don't
tend to overreact on that, but there's only a few
teams that really have a legitimate shot. But you don't
feel that way about Dallas. No, And that's more. You know, again,
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I think when you compare the quarterback play too, like
I just I don't I don't see Dak in that
upper echelon with some of those guys you're talking about.
And that's what I mean. Yeah, So you better have
an outrageous offensive line like they had at one point.
You better have an outrageous running game, which you had
at one point. You had better have a guy that
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can take the pressure off of the other guys like
in Amari Cooper, which they had at one point. They
don't have those things anymore. I think the toughest thing
for me, and looking at last year the schedule in
the stats is just you know, they won the games
they won like they can't control their schedule. You know,
they had some pretty big wins. I mean, obviously their
division games are always gonna be big. Um they won
in New England, if I'm not mistaken. I mean they
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didn't have the hardest schedule last year, so maybe that
played a role as far as you know what what
last year look like or big games and whatnot. I mean,
get into the playoffs, they lost to a team that
end up going an NFC championship. It's not like I
think the way they lost more spoke to not even
the fact of their inability to get to a super Bowl.
But just like we talked about with Nathaniel Hackett, like
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how that could be the way you handled that final
minute circumstance would concern you, I think moving forward every
time you get into that scenario with Mike McCarthy, just
with how they handled it last year in the playoffs.
Let me ask you, guys, if you're surprised by I'll
ask you guess the order. Because DraftKings is now reshuffled
the odds for each division of who's most likely to
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win the division and who's not. Guess the order of
favorite to least favorite in the NFC East Right now,
what would be Philly, Washington, New York, Dallas. Okay, I
would put Dallas ahead of New York even though they
got off to a good start. But yeah, I think
that's pretty much the order, all right. So Philly is
the favorite at of minus one fifty, then you've got
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the Giants at four to one, like then the Commandos
at five to one, and then Dallas is plus six fifty.
I'm sorry, I'd go bet on Washington right now. That
team looks they don't even have Chase Young right now,
and they look good. I know it's Jacksonville, but once
it look comfortable, he looked good. I just I'm I'm
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a little surprised though that if if this is why,
I think this is just an indicator that Jerry Jones
is being super optimistic. The fact that they're looking at
the Giants, who were fortunate to win that game in Tennessee,
as being more likely to win the division with Daniel
Jones at quarterback and all the all the stuff surrounding
them going into this season than Dallas would be. I
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think that's people looking at this going he can spend
the three to four weeks, all we want three of
those games, three of their first five games over the
next five weeks rather our our divisional games, and you're
probably gonna be with your backup quarterback. I just I
don't see this plane. I think the season is over
for Dallas. I mean it's over like this is like
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one game one weekend. You didn't even get through the
full week or through the full game. And I think
Dallas is in a spot where they're gonna maybe rush
him back too soon. He's not gonna be anywhere close
to their seasons over and now we're looking at potentially
a lot of overhaul and changes at several spots, not
just head coach in the off season. I think the
interesting thing is if this does lead to a change
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it head coach. It's it's been assumed that Dan Quinn
would be a guy that look at, but there's also
Sean Payne who sit out there right. I think it'd
be fascinating if Sean Payne was like, I don't know
if I want to deal with that mess and ended
up going elsewhere. If he was going to come back
and take a coaching job but ended up going elsewhere,
like that would be one where I'll be like, it
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would be hard to turn down because you know the
Jones family is gonna pay and you know they want
an offensive mind like that. Sean Payton, much like Jason
Garrett was, was a guy that they had had, you know,
in there before and want to bring back again. Hard
to say no, but it's also I mean, it's it's
a circus, right, I mean, the Dallas Cowboys are in
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this situation for Jerry Jones and Stephen Jones not allocating
more of their salary cap to a backup and making
sure they had that in place considering the potential old
line issues, as LaVar pointed out, and the injury history
of your quarterback. It's just if you really felt like
you're competing for a Super Bowl, you would have had
your roster more buttoned up by this point. It's two
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pros and a cup of Joe here. Fox Sports Radio
would go ahead, Lamar. No, I was just breathing that
one out, like yeah, like that's that's an accurate read out.
I didn't mean to cut you off there. No, you
didn't cut me out. I wasn't even Yeah, I was
just breathing through it. But I thought he was squatting
by the way, when we do the sniffs. Some people
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have sent some stuff over on Twitter where nobody's nobody's
skiing here. We just want to be clear on that
this is, uh just maybe we are just because business
of it is yours. Yeah, yeah, you powder sugar, a
little packet doughnuts to start your morning. What do you
want from us? There's nothing wrong with what we're doing.
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You want to tell them the real reason why we
do it. So it's kind of like a flex and
it's it's what you do. Yeah, we're we're kind of
mocking you because after Jonas feels like he makes a
witty comment, he for some reason as natural tickets to go.
So it's more the transition. It's not really the witty comment.
It's more the transition. Yeah, like would make what you've
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done I called the Segway sniff. You know. I just
want to let everybody know. It's, you know, kind of
a flex a little bit, you know, just let them
know you got got a good pump in you know,
when you feel like you made a good, good transition
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l a Sports Fox college football analyst Pee. What's happening?
Good morning, Good morning, everybody? Hello, good morning? Hello. Hello.
Now we feel and uh I'm busy. Yeah, a lot
going on. Two games this week, three games next week,
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two games the week after that. So I'm trying to
learned about the U. T. Martin sky Hawks. Mm hmm.
That's a badass mascot. It is a badass. That's really
what they got going. That's about what is what is
a sky hawk? I mean it's a hawk obviously, Well
the school, uh was? The school's not old and I
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think they used to be called the Hawks, the school
that was on the area before h U. T. Martin
took over, and so they were called the Hawks. And
then there was also Air Force training there I think
for World War Two in that area. Uh so the
sky Hawks there means that redundant. I mean, where else
would hawks be instead of the school we're it's in
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college football. I mean we have the War Eagle, and
you know, last I heard the Eagles have never even
participated in a war. So, uh, you know, it's there's
a lot of stupid stuff in college football. What's a
hokey Yeah, it's like a weird gobbling. Yeah, it's a
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fighting gobbler. What it's called. We were talking about the
Browns putting a Brownie the elf in the middle of
their field earlier today It's like they're asking me. I'm like,
I was a brown I never remember us really talking
about Brownie the Elf when we were well, I mean,
do you remember, sir Per, when you played against Carolina
Panthers Sper, Sir Pert, Yeah, you know, it's funny. I
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never played against Carolina. I didn't learn that, and so
I had to broadcast a game from there, and I
remember someone said that to me, and I'm like, is
that a foreign language? And they're like, oh, no, our
our mask. I was like, oh got you. Got you,
sir Per. What's the name of USC's horse Traveler? The
same name as Robert E. Lee's horse, which is an issue?
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Apparently enough? What is Robert Lee trying to sue him
now the other way around? Got you? Do you know
what's something that's interesting I learned about. I mean, I'm
sure a lot of people knew this, but I learned
about the Civil War is that Arlington National Cemetery was
Robert E. Lee's house and uh, and Robert E. Lee
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was They asked Robert E. Lee to lead the Union army. First,
Abraham Lincoln asked him, like, hey, would you lead this army?
And he said I would, but I can't raise a
sword against Virginia, where he's from. And so he went
to lead the other army obviously, and because like so
many people died, and it was such a shock, and
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it was unbelievably brutal war in ways that we just
can't even imagine in modern times. Uh. Because people started dying,
they just started burying them. Literally in his front yard.
They started burying all the Union soldiers there. He never
returned home to Arlington. That's his house that they turned
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into a giant bone yard because of the Civil War. Anyway,
I thought that was always I always thought that was interesting.
You know, the body's already Petris is a renaissance man.
Do you want another Civil War fun factor? Okay, the
first battle of the Civil War was at Bull Run
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in Virginia, or one of the first battles, and people
didn't like there was a lot of politicians that were like,
no one's gonna die, what are you talking about? This
is a joke. And so many people went out to
the first battle, like aristocrats, just to watch the battle.
And then we're getting knocked off. And then all of
a sudden it got really gnarly and people they stay,
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everybody started retreating. It was a big Southern victory. But anyway,
there was some guy that had a house uh right there,
and it got his uh his parlor room got exploded,
and there was like all this commotion and terrible war
and all this death at his house. And he's like,
if this, I'm moving. Uh. So he moved like into
(34:52):
the deep country of Virginia because the first battle of
the Civil War was in his front yard. And then
the war literally ended in the town he moved to,
and they signed the treaty. They signed the treaty in
his living room. What's the name of the town where
where they signed the treaty. Yeah, gotta look it up.
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That's amazing though. I was like this one guy, it's
how they start the Ken Burns documentary. Uh. And it's
just the stupidest stuff that happened back in the day
that we are all like shocked by by the way.
I guess just as dumb as they used to be.
I think about a stray bullet, like like when you're
talking about back then the technology of just a rifle,
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those things were not that accurate. And well, the other
part of his was no one knew, uh, no one
had any idea. They still had old school war kind
of like revolutionary war principles where you aligned everybody up.
But the rifles were much more Uh, the rifles were
much more sophisticated. So they were like repeating rifles that
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you didn't have to reload every single time. You could
shoot them like five or six times. And that's why
people just got absolutely massacred. But for every single person
that died in a battle in its Appomattox Courthouse, that's
what it was, Appomattox, Virginia. Uh. But there's so many
weird names manassas and all those streets out there. Uh.
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But it was just horrifying to people because but for
every person that died, two died of disease. Like Camp
Randall right where Wisconsin just lost to Washington State, Okay,
that used to be a Union soldier training ground, and
then when the war started it became a prison for
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Confederate soldiers who were captured, and then when the winner came,
they all just died. Uh, And so it became a
cemetery for the Confederate soldiers. But the stadium is not
on top of the cemetery. That's a good thing, I
am positive. So it does make sense that House of
Pain would be played there. Like if you could just
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go back in time and think, yeah, yeah, it just
does what what a weird time. But people were brushing
their teeth with sandpaper. Just a weird time for everybody involved. Yeah,
they were filing down the teeth. Yeah tetho. Yeah, I heard, Yeah,
I heard a story about where those teeth were, where
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they came from, and uh not not a very nice
story or not a good look for George Washington. You
gotta kill a few elephants to get your teeth in
your head or not not elephants, maybe some you know,
some other people. Yeah, that's uh, I just I heard
some you know you look they heard. I've heard some
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heard the story. I've heard some stories that those teeth
may have belonged to somebody else. Yeah, Lafayette, to somebody
else's story. I didn't look. I mean, he doesn't read.
It's all word of mouth. You hear it from like,
thank you, second cousin of George Washington twice removes great
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great great great grandfather. He heard that story. It's good.
It's good when a good friend of yours tells everybody
you don't read on the air. It's a nice guy.
He's a nice guy. You've told me that. I'm sorry
you said, I don't read. Please, don't listen to this man.
He's an idiot. Hey, Petros called, you called the Arizona
Mississippi State game. Yeah, just figure out. I try to
(38:36):
change subjects there instead of us UM hitting towards. Look,
I looked up all these towns of Mississippi and if
you want some history, yeah, it kind of is an
interesting segue. You know Mississippi and you know civil anyway,
h Vicksburg. Yeah yeah, right, Um Mississippi went into Tucson
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and throttled the wow as were they that good? Or
was Arizona? Just where are there? Because a lot of
people had high hopes for Arizona. Yeah, well we're gonna
find out where Arizona is at this week because they're
playing uh, North Dakota State and North Dakota State. Whenever
they play an FCS team, they win the last six
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f FBS teams they've played. Excuse me, they've beaten Kansas State, Kansas.
I think they beat Iowa. I think they lost to
Iowa State in like oh six, like North Dakota States,
no joke. And they are absolutely a dominant football program
and the FCS and whenever they do go play somebody
(39:40):
they go beat them, they run the hell out of
the ball. Obviously, it's places. Uh it's place like North
Dakota State that or it is North Dakota State that
Carson Wentz and East Tank and tray Lands and all
those guys are from. So it's a it's a tall
order for Arizona because they're like the Concord de la
(40:01):
sal of of FCS football. They moved together as one
and they have a really good thing going Arizona. I
mean I I thought the quarterback had an absolute meltdown,
and that happens from time to time, but this one
was pretty uh pronounced. He was running all over the
place and making a lot of really bad decisions. It's
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the worst I've ever seen him play, Jaden Laura. So
I don't know if that'll I don't expect that to
happen again in that kind of way. If it does,
they might have a decision to make. But I didn't
think Arizona got beaten that bad. I I just thought
I thought Mississippi State. Uh, that guy that they have
playing quarterback, Will Rogers, it was like he was born
(40:45):
to play quarterback for Leech. He gets slinging man. Yeah,
he gets the ball out. He's really accurate. He leads
the hell out of that offense. They have big, huge
outside receivers, little tiny fast cuts on the inside, tough
running backs. I mean, that's as good of a leech
offense in what he does, I think is probably as
(41:06):
as he had back at Texas Tech with Crabtree and
Graham Harrold there. They were really impressive to me and
fun to watch, and I love their beef. They had
a Sam backer Wheat was his name. He's a seventy pounds,
you know, and he could move. So I had a
lot had a lot of fun watching it. I hadn't
done an SEC last SEC game I did on TV
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USC hung seventy on Arkansas, and that Arkansas team had
McFadden and Peyton Hillis and uh uh Felix Jones. Yeah,
they they had a lot of guys, so uh it
was a great game. Good man. Well, a lot of
people have a problem with my voice, but you know
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there's gonna be a lot of it on TV this
week's that's um speaking of that, you'r alma mater USC.
This past week I think was the first game where
kind of saw and Gokay Stanfords had had given them
some issues in the past from time to time, kind
of one of those I don't know if you call rivalries,
but I mean they laid it on them like that
(42:11):
was that was that game where I go, okay, like
I am ready to anoint them as without a doubt
a college football playoff contender. I think in part because yes,
and for this reason, I don't see many offenses operate
the way that offense can look like they're completely right
well and I have been completely control. It just looks
(42:33):
like they can overwhelm anyone and and there, and here's
where we're at in college football. You know, I still
need defense to win. Georgia proved that to a degree
last year. But we kind of tend to forget how
well stets have been on the offense played in the
SEMIS and National Championship game. Like if Caleb Williams and
Jordan Addison and the rest of the entire offense plays
the way they are, I just like I don't think, like,
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for example, Fresno State, I don't think Fresno States can
be able to keep up with phone like and it's
just overwhelming when you take on a team that you
know you're gonna have to try to, you know, hang
with and and put up as many points when I
just they feel unstoppable to a degree offensively. I mean,
I'm just curious to get your thoughts on where you
feel like they're out. I know the defense isn't where
it needs to be yet, but I don't think it
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it needs to get that much better. I mean, l
s U when they went where they were like a
top fifty defense, they weren't. It wasn't like they were
that dominant defensively that year. No people were. People were
going up and down the field, uh in that game,
and USC happened to force, like they did with Rice,
a couple of turnovers right by the goal line, and
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that's great. I mean, you want your defense to force turnovers.
And to me, that's more of like an Oklahoma State model,
right what Mike Gundy does, whereas they fly up and
down the field offensively, their quarterbacks, a Heisman candidate, all
those things, and the defense forces turnovers and kind of
bends but doesn't break. And if that's the style they're
(43:56):
gonna play, then they're having success with it. And you're
absolutely right. I mean, the offense is overwhelming. But there
are games and I just think Oklahoma last year where
all of a sudden, it's like you're down one to
Kansas and you just don't understand why your offense isn't working,
and it's like Kansas, what are they doing defensively to
(44:17):
stop the juggernaut? Like the does this thing run like
this in every game? And I guess it's feasible to
think that it does. Uh. I don't know if that
makes them a playoff contender. It certainly makes them a
contender in the Pack twelve and somebody to be reckoned
(44:38):
with on the West coast. And that's what USC needs
to be from the West coast to be relevant. Obviously,
with the Big ten move, maybe it's a moot point.
But yes, I've I've been impressed. I've been impressed with Lincoln.
He plays a lot of guys, They play guys on defense,
They try to adjust defensively. Stanford was killing them with
r P O s in the first staff, and they
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adjusted to that. They adjusted to Rice running with a
fullback and like three tight ends Adam, so that that's
a good sign. Uh. The next two weeks will be
a really great litmus test or a Mark Twain for
sc because Jake Kayner is one of the most underrated
quarterbacks in the country. Slayer baby, Yeah, and he hates
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USC because they didn't recruit him because he grew up
rooting for him. You know, the same old story. Couple
inches short and Jay Kayner is special and Fresno State
just played a war really entertaining game against Oregon State
and Oregon State is also deeply underrated this year, and
(45:43):
their quarterback Chance Nolan is really really good. So let's
see what us he does in the next two weeks
against the Like I like Tanner McKee, but let's see
what s he does against these two really really experienced
quarterbacks who have had a lot of success on West Coast,
and if they dominate them in a similar fashion, then
(46:03):
we'll start talking. Brady Patros before I let you go,
what did you make of Nebraska firing Scott Frost after
three weeks? You know it just uh it stood. First
of all, I kind of like Scott Frost even though
he's a weirdo. And he is a weirdo. I'll see
a weirdo. It's just weird. He talks really quiet. Swoll No,
(46:24):
I like him. He's he's uh you know, I mean
he's got the attitude of like a hired killer or something,
you know, like you know he is. We tried that really,
you know. It's like, Okay, it's just football, you know,
I mean. But anyway, Uh, I met him when he
was the receiver coach at Oregon, so I've known him
a long time. But I'll just never forget I was doing.
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I've always been really close with Mike Riley because he
was our coordinator at USC when I first got there.
And he's a really just a great person. Uh, kind
of like Sodom and Gomorrah and he's a lot you know,
I've always loved, uh, Mike Riley. And I did a
game on a Thursday night with Mark health Rich, who's
(47:09):
a great guy in our colleague still at Fox. And
we were in a Champagne or banna and it was
Nebraska at Illinois and Mike Riley beat Illinois that night. Okay,
no big deal, but the thought was and everybody just
couldn't stop talking about it. The Nebraska people, everybody all
(47:29):
the scuttle. But with health Rich, because he's a coach
and people love to tell him stuff, is that Oh
my god, We're gonna fire Mike. Scott Frost is coming
here to save us. Everything's gonna change. Nebraska football will
be back. You know, Scott Frost was still coaching at UCF,
and it was just the worst kept secret in college
football that Scott Frost was coming. And it was the
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biggest no brainer of all time for Scott Frost to
take the job. And it just goes to show how
stupid we all are, you know, or or we talked
so much like we know stuff and we just don't.
I mean, Happy State went to Texas A and m
and beat him. You know, Marshall just beat Brady. Squad
beat unheard of. I mean that's unheard of. Pretty that year.
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A lot of that going on. Yeah, but this kind
of thing like just to happen in for for two
Sunbelt teams like that to go win. I mean, it's
Georgia's Southern baby, Oh yeah, in Southern Well, you know,
Clay Helton versus Frost, the first guy that got fired
last year beats the first guy guy you knew what
powerhouse he was taken over the Sun Belt. You know,
(48:33):
hail State State. It's Georgia State. I think Georgia Southern
is a different one. I think. I think Clay Helton's
Georgia State Hale State in State Sporow. But anyway, I
think you know in Washington State, who people have talked
about for the last three months like they're the redheaded
(48:55):
step child and where they gonna go and oh my god,
they're gonna be in the Ohio Conference. You know at
Washington State goes to Camp Randall and and and wins.
So it was Georgia's Southern though, by the way, oh
it is h yeah it george Southern Georgia bas uh
the who Georgia State. Just play a click take game
with I can't think state Georgia State doesn't it is
(49:23):
in Statesboro though, right, I believe so wait quick, I
don't think. How do you think Mike Bone felt about
um quick, He's right, we didn't even know. Yeah, he
is the head coach at Southern Yeah, Georgia's Southern Eagles
States borrow, Okay, we had that, Okay rival, their rival
(49:48):
is Georgia State. There you go, there, the there, the
their mascot has pounced the panther just like Super Surfer Pete.
We're gonna have some fun tomorrow. I'm gonna be Uh,
that's gonna be a real adventure for me because I
have to speak. I've been trying to call you. I
(50:10):
have to speak in Catalina Island that night. And there's
no way I can go into it. I can't go
to the backside. Don't go on the backside of that place.
It's basically the backside. And I have to speak to
this group in Catalina Island. It's like druids or something.
And uh, there's no way out of it. And I
got to find a way to do the show with
Jonas tomorrow and do my calls with you, t martin
(50:33):
Hail State and uh, North Dakota it work and uh
and uh and then I have to either chopper or
take a fast boat or at the elon must sky
link and do it from there. In the canyon with
the White Giant used the used the crank rocket, the
one he sends into space A debris falls off of it.
Think we're going to be the sets its skin. Sorry,
(50:57):
we'll figure it out. Petro's that's got a lot of
the skin. Get him on Twitter at the Old p
I is the co host of the Petros and Money
Shawn a five seventy l a Sports Fox Colts football analysts.
He's calling like seventeen games in the next three weeks. Yeah,
we'll listen. We'll round up petros. We appreciate it, thanks
(51:19):
for making it happen, and that we'll do it again
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