September 20, 2022 • 41 mins
Tuesday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Bills look better than advertised, embarrassing the Titans on Monday Night Football. Mitchell Trubisky gets the blame for the Steelers sluggish offense but a hard conversation needs to be had between Mike Tomlin and the OC. And Stephen Jones muddies the waters about Dak Prescott’s recovery timetable.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar areas, Rady Quinn and Joe Knocks on radio.
So we got a couple of games and Monday night
football to look back on. And Uh, the buffalo bills,
who were the preseason favorite to win the Super Bowl,
and my guess is, after what they've done to two
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playoff teams from a year ago in prime time, probably not. Probably,
not much has happened in the way of changing people's
minds about how they felt preseason. For for the buffalo bills,
they look fantastic. Absolutely. There's three things I know. I
know the buffalo bills are for real, the Philadelphia Eagles
are the team to beat in the NFC E S
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and o j did it. O J at the bills
game last night. The most positive. He was there, I said.
Somebody said he was on the on the flight from,
I think it was l a, to Buffalo, freaked out
a bunch of Tennessee titans could be but they look great. Man,
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you know when's the last time you can recall there
was a team where everyone kind of talked about him
in the off season, how good they were going to be,
and then they came out and they were actually like that,
legitimately good. Yeah, Tampa, when when Brady went there, I
guess not remember. They got like their their butts kicked.
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Now I know they'd beat the saints this week, but
in the regular season they got their butts kicked by
the saints both both times. Yeah, I opened up that
season at New Orleans, I think. Yeah, I honestly think
you'd have to go back to remember when Denver came
back after they want it to repeat with L A. Yeah,
that's the last time I recall, like everyone talked about, well,
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the Broncos, the broncos, the Broncos, because, and I remember
as a young kid being like man, you know at
that age when a pro bowl, well, the rams, the
rams were like that. If you could recall that, like
when they became the greatest show on turf, that by
the Patriots. That was at the end, though, wasn't it?
Like how how many they had already won? What? One
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or two? One, one, yeah, I mean, but I mean
we don't know that the bills are going to win
it all. But no, but that's what I'm saying, though.
I just I don't remember it seemed being hyped up
like this and then literally coming into the League so far,
the first couple of weeks like just being as advertised.
I think the League's prided itself off parody and all
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that good stuff, and I think this is these first
two weeks. I was like, Oh God, yeah, maybe there's
been just that good. There's been five teams in NFL
history that have been preseason super bowl favorites that have
gone on to win it. The last team was the Patriots,
I think in eighteen or something like that, but it
was a few years ago. But even New England never
looked this good early in the season. They always pick
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up momentum and buffalo looks like nobody can touch him.
The only thing about it, what I'll say, is it
is early. I hate to do it, I hate like
to be that guy, I mean, but they have been
dominant and and their defense looks like as if they
needed to be much improved. They're much improved. I mean
their offense is virtually right now seemingly unstoppable. I mean
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they do look good. I mean they're dominant. Is I
just I just want to see it continue on. I
kind of feel like that with Philly, but because everything
looks right right now with Philly, like it's like, why
is it so easy? I mean maybe Minnesota made it
look easy, but that's how I felt after watching Philly
last night. It was like because and look, maybe maybe
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I feel similar to how you feel like coming into season.
I just I was a little skeptical. Maybe it was
a you're too soon, even as good as Philly, as
roster is, and then watch the last night I was like, damn,
I mean that score was was worse than what it looked.
I mean it really was worse than what it looked
and I just maybe, maybe Phil is just that much
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better than everyone else. I mean, we'll see the games
play out, like you said with Buffalo, but man, you know,
I'll say this much, though, from from following hurts, just
his transition from Bama to Oklahoma, Oklahoma to the NFL,
and I said this for years now, that dude is
like artificial intelligence, like like computer learning. If you ever
hit machine learning, you ever heard that? It's when like
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they write these algorithms and and the actual software program
keeps getting smarter and better, like it learns from its
own mistakes and own experiences. That's like Jalen hurts that dude.
Every time he plays quarterback he gets better. He just
gets better and better and better and better. Like, what's
his odds to win m VP right now? Give me
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it's like plus. It's gonna be like plus eight hundred,
maybe something like that. Maybe after last night it's not.
But he's one that I think between the way he
takes off and runs, which is it's still a concern
he could get hurt, but I think he does a
pretty good job taking care of himself. And then the way,
you know, Shane stake in is calling this offense. It
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all fits and right into what he wants to do
and what he's, you know, good at doing. So I
think he's got a like outside shot of being one
of those names you're here at the end of the
year if this, if he keeps he keeps us up
whining the winning the you know, M v P. Yeah,
he looks fantastic. Last night and he looked at no
I'm still I was waiting to see if he was.
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That's some we just called out on the air. That's
always fun. Yeah, so I was waiting to see how
long was. Do have a ten to one plus one thousand.
I don't know if anybody got that? I tend to
one plus one thousand. So there it is, Um. So
there it is and, by the way, tied with Justin Herbert,
according to Lee to lap, our executive producer here. So
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so there we go. We got jail. He is credit. Yeah,
I mean his his wife. I was clearly working better
than my and too. Congratulations, lead. I mean that's uh,
you know, it's the first there. So that worse than that.
But why do we have two teams getting toyed with
on Primetime television on a double barrel, stack barrel, double whatever, barrel,
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double barrel. Yeah, I mean why were they getting toyed with?
You know, it's like you're watching it and it's like
I actually watched and and and was like man, like
they're really dominating them, and then I switched the channel.
I'm like man, they're really dominating them, and it was
like switching between like it became who could dominate, who
was dominating who more. You know, it's like Malik will
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has found out that preseason is not the same as
regular season, and everybody else that was jock sniffing. I
mean I think, well, you know, I think he'll be
a good pro button. He found out real quickly that, uh,
you know, it's different what regular season starts. I gotta,
I gotta get to a bills game. Man, that fan
base looks they that seems like a legitimate home field advantage.
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We mean, just make sure you show up with your
bag of essentials. Yeah, well, of course. I mean, well,
there's other hiding spots for that. And Uh, I mean
I was talking about mustard, mustard and that that I
don't understand that. I really don't understand how anybody could
let that happen, because that feels like that. If you
get sprayed by mustard, doesn't that feel like a multiple
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shower process to get off your body? It's so it's
just got to be a stink to it, like a sour.
So it's got to make you feel really, really dirty.
I mean you mix that catch up in with it too.
I just think that that's that's a horrible gift. Even
if you shower the next time you work out and sweat,
it's it's coming out of your pores like you just
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you just smell like, you know, economically rated. At one
kid that was cramped and they were trying to give
him they were trying to give him mustard. He was
like no, I'd rather cramp. He was hurting. Is Mustard
the one you can't stand, Brady, or is it catch up? Which?
which is the one you can't stand? Mustard catch up
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to me. It's like maybe the best condiment. It's mustard.
It smells grooves, it looks gross, like nothing should be
like high lighter yellow that you actually put in your
that's that's pretty interesting, but it makes sense. It looks
high light or yellow, highlighter yellow, some of that stuff
like that. That's not natural, like I I god did
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not make mustard to look like that, like you could
spray someone and all of a sudden now they become
like a traffic signs brought I don't know, man mustard,
mustard and sour kraut. He can't. He's got a hot,
doting man. I can go for it right now. I'm
gonna throw up. I'm going to make me some brots. Yeah,
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that is really I don't know why you guys want
to hear. You guys want to hear brutally honest Mike
Rabel after the game, Mike Rabel, who saw his team
get absolutely annihilated. Boat Race. Uh, what do you invite Y'all. Wow,
you people. Yeah, don't you people say boat race? So
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here was Mike Rabel after seeing his team get dismantled
on Monday night football. I don't know if it had
anything to do with the offseason. I don't know if
it had anything to do with preseason. We weren't very
good to night, top to bottom, and uh, nobody did
enough for us to win, and including and starting with me.
You know, there's always gonna be some plays out there
as a player that you wish you had back. There's
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always gonna be calls as a play caller that you
wish you had back. Now is not the time. We've
never done it. It's not gonna be about one person.
We got our asses kicked, plain and simple. They out
coached us, they outplayed us, and and that the definition
of it. And so we're going to get back to
work and we're going to figure out a way to
win a football game. So they cannot point something out
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and get y'alls reaction on it cube pointing, pointing out
the statistic of Oh and two starts and not making
the playoffs. You do know that Tennessee is now and two.
This might be the caveat give me, come on, I
want to get your reaction to it. Well, I think
the caveat is how bad the FC South is, because,
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I mean you've got Houston, who's uh, they look like
one on one. You've got indie, who's Oh, one on one.
You've got Jacksonville, who's one of one one, I think,
leading the division at this point. Jacksonville's gonna mess around
and win the division. Then you've got Tennessee Zo in
two seez. That's exactly how we saw this division player. Well,
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I don't know why I mean, but but for people
listening on our fine affiliate Nashville, the zone, that is
the saving grace. You're correct that you look at this
and go well, always, all we gotta do is be
better than Jacksonville and at some point during the season,
hopefully later in the season, when all everything is said
and done, and we're gonna grab one of those playoff spots,
because other than that that's got to feel good. All
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we have to be better than Jacksonville. The whole. Seriously, seriously,
it's a huddle up together. I'm looking Lavar, looking you
in the eyes, I'm looking at Jonas in the eyes.
All we gotta DO FELLAS will be better than Jacksonville.
Like that's like, does that give you a little swag?
Walk into the club of your boys? Hey, Jacksonville, we'll
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get it. Can I ask a crazy question? Because somebody,
some people, were tweeting us because apparently we're jaguars haters
on this show because, yea, the Jaguars fans actually reached
out on yeah, of course, yeah, of course, that's shocking.
So tell them to maybe actually sit in the stands
and root for the team. They did a very good pool. See,
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my understanding is that guaranteed. Those people, Hayton, are not
are not to my my understanding is that they have
been attending the Games. The problem is they dropped their
phone in the swimming pool on the top deck, and
so they just now got it back to be able
to treat the show. Yeah, now, now they are making
their voices be heard. But can I ask a crazy question? Is,
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does Jacksonville have the best quarterback in the division right now?
Right now? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. That's isn't that?
In that like a big portion of the battle. If
you've got the best quarterback in the division, you're you're
you're probably set up to be pretty successful of that division.
And I mean if you look around, mills, Matt Ryan's
looked terrible. Ryan Tannehill got taken out last night to
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take out and you watch the rookie get his asking.
Like Jacksonville's got the best quarterback in the division right now.
The JAGS, how about it? But again it goes back
to the original statement. Right, like it's the Jags, like
we all got a chance. Like, trust me, I've never
seen an O and two team walk into a club
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with more swag right now than the Tennessee titans. They
should still feel pretty confident about their chance, although, like
their defense doesn't look the same without Harold Landry. They
lost him and that hurts. Offensively, I know they got
trailing burks, but I mean you you go watch philly
and then you flip back and you're watching Tennessee and
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buffalo and you're like, all right, Trailon buroks is not
providing the same type of impact that a j Brown is,
to me at least for the Philadelphia Eagles. You know,
and and the Trailon Brooks might at some point, but
they're just not there yet. Um. So it's just it
seems like the offense outside of Derrick Henry doesn't have
as much juice. Defensively, they're missing some juice guests. WHO's
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onto television right now? WHO The juice? Yeah, yeah, said Yeah,
the was that naked gun? One or two? Which one
is this? Who? Yeah, wow, it's good to see. I
mean he looked like, you know, he was a really
good actor. Yeah, you'll ever do another movie. So it's
Martin and Brenda. What about that role he played in
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the courtroom? was his best acting role that he played
in the court room? Also, by the way, Taylor, Laan Taylor,
was carded off like last night could not have gone
worse for the Tennessee Titans from top to bottom. Well, yeah,
that is fair. Um, yeah, speaking of which, uh, there's
a lot going on here this morning. Good Google Berto is.
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He found a different way of of making us laugh. Why?
Why does he always save that stuff? It's going down
with the trench coke. There's nothing on that. She's I
just basically got back from L A. I was in
l a all of yesterday. What do you mean? I
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basically just got back. So how much time do you
spend at the airport? Oh, hours or something like that.
Is An all day affair trying to get out of Cali.
Back to the eight hours I was stuck in what
was like just a box, just a box looking that's
not all this plane. I couldn't leave that our our
our initial plane, had a maintenance issue. They had to
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find another plane, and I'm not sure if you realize this,
it's hard to find another plane that's empty because all
the other planes they're filled with people and they're actually
going places. So I literally sat there for like eight hours,
just like watching tape, doing work and just sitting in
an airport. That's W's and it was l a X,
which which man, they put in a new shopping mall.
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Make you walk all the way through. Have you done
that walk? It's got to be a mile, correct has
to be very far, and I didn't. I didn't do that.
got like they got like a shopping mall and they
direct traffic straight through the shopping mall and they've got like,
I don't know what's in there, but it's like a
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top top shelf. People just want to get their bags
and they set it through a shopping mall. Let me
get some SOMEC Oh man. It's it's well done, but
but yeah, nonetheless, a lot of walking, thoughts and prayers
of the Tennessee titans and the Minnesota Vikings. Rough night.
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in Pittsburgh. Over the weekend. The steelers who ended up
losing that game, the Pittsburgh steelers. Yeah, yeah, they're too bad.
Your steelers losing to the Patriots memory and there was
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some some noise being made by the fans. Yeah, they were.
It was only a matter of time. We talked about
it right after the draft that it was only a
matter of time before the clamoring of Kenny Pickett started
in Pittsburgh and it was just it was you know,
this was gonna be the way that it was going
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to go. They were gonna want to see their hometown
guy play. And then we're two weeks into the season,
the offense looks a little stagnant and the chance I've
already started that. Travisky afterwards said that you know, it's
it's part of the deal. You got to block it out, just,
you know, the the usual sort of stuff. When I
asked about the chance there. Mike Tomlin, though, spoke with
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the media yesterday about some of the play calling and
just where the offense is at right now, two weeks
into the year. Mike, are you happy with the play
calling and play design concept at this point of the season?
You know, I'm not happy with much of anything, man,
when we just lost a game. But Um, but I'm
also experienced enough to see the big picture that we
are still very much in development and so, Um, I'm
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going to exercise appropriate patience and and continue to teach
and and and ask the guys who continue to learn
in an effort to continue to push this train down
the track and get better. I think that if anyone
is sitting here on, you know, on Monday and week
two of this thing feeling happy, Um, they're probably wrong, UM,
or misinformed. So there was the steelers head coach speaking
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on on the off I love him. He's awesome. Um,
the offense, not so much. Yeah, I'M NOT gonna put
this on Robinsky. You know, going back watching some of
that game this past week, and I've said this now
for a while, you know, there should be more pressure
on Matt Canada as their play caller. I just don't
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see the creativity. I don't see for a team that
has the the ability to get guys open. I don't
see that quite as much as is what you would hope.
I don't see them doing enough with with Mitchell trobinsky
skill set, you know, incorporating him as as part of
the run game more. And he's an athletic guy. He
can hurt you with his feet. You've got to have him,
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in my opinion, run the football five or six times
a game. Have A quarterback design run five or six
times a game for him, not scrambles, but an option
for him to run in a in an actual game.
You've got a first round quarterback's backing him up. What's
the risk like? If, if, if, he doesn't play well
in a more conventional offense, that's on you as a
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play caller, because you weren't, you know, putting together an offense.
I was gonna help Mitche Trobinsky excels. So I just
I look at it and say it should be the
figures should be pointing more at Matt Cannada at this point,
who really has struggled in my opinion as a play
caller there and they've got to find some of the
way of bringing in somebod who's more creative, plays more
of the strengths of their quarterback, whether it's Mitchell Trobiskey
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now or Kenny picket once. He would get a shot.
I just wonder what the trust issues are about, because
that's that's what it looks like Canada's played hauling screams.
I don't trust you, is it? I don't trust all
of the drops from last season from some of the
receivers that are are there. Is it? I don't trust
Robinsky to be able to deliver it. I don't trust
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his reads. I don't or I don't trust the offensive line.
You know, I don't know what it is, but the
way the basicness of of the play calling and the approach,
like not taking any type of risks, not trying to
take the top off of the defense, not trying to strength,
like the one thing a defender does not like is
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when you stress them out by stretching the field, like
we feel it as as upfront guys and in so
many cases because it's like you have to decide, are
we going to cover, are we going to pressure. If
we are able to pressure, how many players do we
need to be able to pressure? How many players do
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we need to cover? And they're cheese and theory. You
would you would have to assume that you and that
the coverages are are really geared towards. You know, what we,
we saw Minnesota try to do, is make sure you
keep keep the ball underneath and you can rally up,
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tackle it and and play the next down. I agree.
I don't like a bid but don't break style of defense.
But if you don't ever force a defense to have
to deal with the I guess the the dangers of
pushing the ball really really down filled, then now you
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give a defense the ability to find a rhythm, to
find confidence, and you you'll see them start to do more.
You'll probably see a defensive coordinator start to get a
little bit more um confident in what they're dialing up
because you you actually know exactly what you're going to
get in those basic play calls. Chase Claypool Deonte Johnson
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both made comments after the game frustrated with just some
of the play calling in the offense there. So how
does the conversation go between Mike Tomlin and and the
offensive coordinator, Matt Canada. How does that conversation go? Does
he say, change up what you're doing, we need more
of this, like how does that discussion go between those
two guys to try and implement some of the changes
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that need to be made there? It depends on their relationship.
You know, I can't speak of that. I mean the
only thing I can say is there's gonna be a conversation.
They're gonna, you know, go back and forth about, you know,
what they feel like they need to do and there's
gonna be a thought of Mike Tomlin's head of who
would replace Um Matt Canada as a play caller if
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they don't feel like he can do the job. And
and you know, for a guy who's has experienced so
much success, I would imagine very similar to his Um,
you know, I guess, the way he talks about his
players and providing them to a degree. I guess some
leeway here there, but I would imagine he's, you know,
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tough on his coaches too. So if this thing doesn't
turn around, I mean they might change quarterbacks, that that's
not gonna fix their issues. Their issues the guy who's
calling the place. So I don't. I don't know. I
don't know if it's Mike Sullivan, uh, the quarterbacks coach,
who would take over? Who would take over? But at
some point they really should contemplate that this has gone
for farts and long, even if we with Ben Roethlisberger,
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and everyone put it on Ben and honestly, it's not
on him and it's not on the skill players. They've
got talent, they've got ability. When you go watch other Games,
go watch what Philly's doing with Shane Steke in their
offensive coordinator. Go Watch what they're doing. Go Watch with
Ken Dorsey's doing in Buffalo last night. Look at the creativity.
Look what they're doing with their quarterbacks to put them
in a position to be successful. You don't see that
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in Pittsburgh at all. SEZ Well, they better fix it.
And and like coach Tomlin said, I mean I'm gonna
I'm gonna ride with his word because I think that
he's a very genuine and candidate. Dude, it's development. You know,
I'll say this, with as basic as the play calling
is and, as I guess, discouraging as it has looked
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so far, and and and what I guess, the the
effectiveness could could represent. It is a first year quarterback.
There are a lot of first year players that that
are part of what's going on. They're still trying to
find or or or redefine what the identity of this
this team is as a whole. You know, you lose
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t j watt, that's a big you know, for what
it's worth, that's probably, I'm not even gonna say probably,
because he's earned he's earned enough respect, enough credibility to
say he's the difference in that game. All right, like
they win that game if they have t j watt.
So when when thinking about Uh uh, the type of
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score and low scoring game that it is against the
team that's really, really vulnerable and for the taking in
in the New England patriots, and you lost it at home.
You know, that just says to me it's it's either one.
You do have to develop and you have to get
that chemistry and you have to get that trust and
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you gotta be, you know, bold enough and willing enough
to take chances. or or or the the second one
is not it's not a positive diagnosis. You know, it's
it's like you basically don't have you have an inability
to be able to have a more explosive style of
offense and I'm just I'm not going to resign to
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that just yet. I will say sometimes it just takes
a little bit more time. We've got so used to
seeing guys have success so quickly, like Tom Brady ruined
it for everyone you know. For for a while there
it's like, get a guy two years, get the guy
at least you know, a new quarterback or a new coach.
Give them at least two to three years before you
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start saying he's gotta go, you know. But you've seen
so many guys come in and have success right away
anymore that it's it's really evolved into the moment you
get the job, you are thrust into a situation, as
a quarterback or as a coach, whether it's a coordinator
of the offense or of the defense, where you are
being judged immediately upon what your results are, and those
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judgments are based upon the amount of success that you're having.
They're not giving you a great superiod to let let
me put implement my offense, let me implement my defense,
let's get a familiarity of what why we're doing what
we're doing. That doesn't really exist anymore. You gotta step
it up and you gotta move way quicker than what
you ever have. As it applies to professional sports, specially football.
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Isn't it a trickle down effect? Because if the coaches
feel like if I have one or two bad seasons,
I'm out, then all of a sudden they're not patient
with their players, they're not patient with we gotta change this.
We got to change that, um it. Mike Tomlin's the opposite, though.
I mean he's got you know, he's a guy who's
not going anywhere. Um, he's never had a losing season there.
And yet here they are and two weeks in they've
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changed quarterbacks, they've drafted this guy. Now you've got players
speaking out on the offense. I just I wonder how
long this goes before Mike Tomins which, by the way,
they've got a short week this week. THEY'RE AT CLEVELAND
COMING UP ON THURSDAY, so we get to see that
play out on national TV. But yeah, it's interesting to
see this steeler team who just doesn't run the ball anymore.
Like they don't run the football anymore, which has always
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been a staple of theirs and over the past several years.
I don't know if it's Matt Canada or if it
goes beyond that, but they just don't run the ball anymore.
Two different steeler team. What you grew up with, sticks
what Brady played again, definitely, but I don't think they
don't run it because they don't want to run it.
I think they don't run it because they can't run it.
And and again that that comes down to re establishing
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what your identity is. I mean, you gotta think that's
classically a fullback team. It's always classically been a full
back team. So you're not only talking about one back,
you're talking about two backs. And and q you can
speak to this. I mean as as a student of
the game. For me, if you're going to if you're
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going to not have an effective, efficient passing attack, then
you had better have somebody who can block for your
tail back, that being the offensive line and not being
somebody that an h back or or a fullback that
can block, because if you're not getting that defense up
off of the line of scrimmage. Where now I'm comfortable
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enough because I see that you're throwing intermediate to short routes.
You're doing a short game. I can I can actually
cover the passing tree that you're running, but also load
the box up to be able to stop the run.
So once I once, once I get that first defensive
linemen to take on that double team, my linebackers are
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relatively clean and if my linebacker isn't clean, that my
safety is going to be clean. You don't have enough
to block to get a guy into the second wave
or the third wave of of the of the defense.
That's the problem Pittsburgh is having trying to run the ball.
You don't have enough effective, efficient passing game to be
able to establish the run. Well, I'll put it this way.
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I think they could. I don't know that there, again,
is any creativity or things that are playing to the
strengths of what Mitchell Trobiski does. I think one of
the biggest struggles you have with play callers in the
NFL and play calling in general is some guys call
plays more focused on what they feel like it's gonna
work against the defense they're going up against, and then
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other guys are able to incorporate that thought. Hey, what's
gonna work against what we're going against? And then what
plays the strengths of my players? What plays the strengths
of my quarterback. It just feels like Matt Canada's calling plays,
like when you go out there and watch, it's like
he's calling plays. There's not a lot of a separation.
There's not a lot of creativity to it. They've got
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a bunch of good receivers and guys they can do
some stuff with. They're just not and that's that's an issue.
And so I kind of look at it from that
vantage point, like it didn't matter if it was bend.
Doesn't matter if the Mitchell trobisky now, it doesn't matter
if it's Kenny Pickett. You can make those changes at
quarterback and you're gonna still see a lack of creativity,
a lack of how they're going about, you know, running
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the football. And maybe some of it has to do
with play calling, some of it has to do with scheme,
some of that has to do with execution. They try
to address that this offseason. They're just not there yet.
I mean, look and someone has to Naja Harris, who's
dealing with a foot injury right I mean that that's
gonna be something that nacks in the rest of the
season the way this has gone. So I tend to
look at it and and and say like this has
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been going on for years. This isn't just on Mitchell Trobinsky.
He just got there. This is already an issue, a
problem that I could have told you I was looking
at for the past couple of years, before the season
even starting. Mentioned on the air a couple of years ago.
I mean, look again, it's to me it's just a
matter of time before they have to go to someone else.
As far as the play card, I just don't know
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the Dallas cowboys are in much better shape than anybody realizes.
Steven Jones was on the fan in Dallas this coming
off there went over the Cincinnati Bengals, which cooper rush
played pretty well, and Stephen Jones was talking about Dak
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Prescott and a potential return which apparently is a lot
quicker than what anybody originally thought against the giants this week. Absolutely,
he's out. I think where I got misconstrued there. That's uh,
you know, three to four weeks from the time of injury.
So the best, I think the very best it would be,
would it would be Washington or the rant. We just
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won't know that we get closer, uh you know, to
really given an educated guest. Right now it's still, uh,
you know, I will say this. So far everything's on
his way, from the surgery to the swelling after the
surgery was very minimal compared to what it can be
and uh, you know, we're just optimistic about it. So
they're at that. New York come up on Monday night
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football and then Washington dried after that. I mean, it
wasn't the thought six weeks. Wasn't it like six to
eight weeks or something along those lines? And now they're
talking about him coming back in three weeks after the
injury for the fourth game of the season against Washington.
I mean it just it feels like everything's kind of
really been rushed along and I don't know if this
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is just they're being as optimistic as possible to try
and sell everybody and don't, don't give up on us. Now.
Everything's everything looks okay, but it just it feels like
even if he does come back, what the Hell is
Dak Prescott gonna look like when he when he does
return coming off that injury? Just feels like it's happening
pretty fast here. Russell Wilson, I think, was was out
for what four or five weeks, tried to come back
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and and you know, still struggled a little bit, and
yet here we are with Dak Prescott and they're talking
about the fourth game of the season against Washington. He
struggled more than a little bit. Right he was out
I think what three games and there was to buy
and then he came back after that, but man, Um
that was one of the worst stretches in his career.
I think. You know passing. I don't know. That's the
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hard thing is. I mean, you know, dad could come back,
you know, too soon. And I think the harder part
of all that is you know, Jerry Jones gonna have
a lot to say about his play one way or another,
and I don't think he's gonna get brownie points for
coming back before he's ready. But it sounds like that's
where this whole thing is, is angling towards, at least
aiming towards, which is tough. It's tough for Dak and
especially considering that's just gotta Win, you know, bottom line,
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as you beat a team that was playing in the
Super Bowl last year. Um, now you can make the
case that Sincinnati's now an own to football team. They
don't look very good, but still you know that they
found a way of getting a win. Uh, maybe see
how things play out the next couple of weeks and
not feel the need to rush back to get Dak
in there if he's not a cent and furthermore, you know,
maybe that was good for your team, you know, with
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the way they had to play offensively, Noel Brown stepped
up in a big way. You know, obviously the rushing
attack was a little different than what we saw in
the past. Maybe this offense, while Dax out, is going
to have to evolve around the quarterback position so that
the quarterback doesn't have to be the hero, and maybe
that's a good thing for this group. Uh, and that's
kind of the offense that, to be quite honest, like
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Dak Prescott walked into his rookie year. You know, I
thought that was a team that was led largely by
the rushing attack and DAC make it a place here
and there, but that was a team that was successful
in part two because I think how they were around
the quarterback position, not necessarily at the quarterback position. So
I don't really understand the need for them to rush
him back. Lavar. Yeah, I think that that's kind of
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you complicated things by by saying those things, because now
you've now put it out there to the public and
to the fan base, which is one of the largest
fan bases in in all of sports that he's on
his way back, like the swelling with minimum, like everything's
going in his direction. Well, what if he can't make
it back early? Now, are you questioning his his his
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heart and his will to want to play, or you like,
if Cooper rush continues to play well? What? Like? I
just think that it's an ill advised way of approaching it.
Like I think that you, you you know, they teach you
very quickly in sales manage expectations right, under sell over
or under promise over over deliver, and the idea of saying, AH, well,
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you know what, he's ahead of schedule. It's just going
to be a matter of how he feels and this
and that. Okay, so now what? He doesn't have a
high pain tolerance threshold or you know whatever. You've put
him in a but you've already now put him in
a bad spot. And again, if Cooper rush continues to
play well, then now you've put him in an even
more compromising spot, because it's like, Oh, well, Dad, they
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said dad was his surgery went well and that the
swelling was min moment. It's a matter of what he
can tolerate. Why doesn't he want to come back? You
know what, it doesn't matter if he wants to come back.
Cooper is playing well and and let's see what we
can do, or or they go back to being a
team that that well, I think they're going to be,
which is not very good on offense. And if they
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are a team that isn't very good or very productive,
then now the pressure amounts even more so because now
you're looking for him to come back and be a
savior of sorts, of the season instead of just saying
we're gonna take it day by day, we're gonna take
it week by week. You know, and and like the
whole once you go down the road up ahead of schedule,
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like Oh, there you go, there are those are the
words of death for an athlete. Man, oh he's ahead
of schedule. Oh there we go, he's got to come back.
It's kind of like the David bactier thing in Green Bay.
People who keep he's been he's been nursing this injury
for six months. I think they've been like that. It
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might have been Collinsworth who said it on Sunday night,
where it's like yeah, packer fans have been here and
you know he's a game or two away for quite
a while. I mean this has been going on for
for a while at avid box tr and and I'll
just ask the question. Can the cowboys beat the giants
on Monday night in New York with Cooper Russia quarterback? Yeah,
they can't. Look of course that's that's why we play
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these games, but I'm probably taking the giants the way
they look right now. Yeah, I'll, I'll be real with you,
but it's you know, it's not so doom and gloom
at quarterback to where you're like, oh, he's got to
come back, because if he doesn't come back, and then
you've got Washington after that and it's at home and
Washington looks a little bit suspect. You know, I just
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I don't I don't understand, but maybe this is just
par for the course when you've got, you know, Jerry
and Stephen Jones who have, you know, multiple hits a
week on Dallas radio. They just have to talk and
talk into why doesn't Jimmy? I like to let people
know how much they know, and that's the thing about it.
It's okay to talk right but when you get into
letting people know how much you know, like the credibility
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of what it is that I'm saying, when I'm saying
it like, uh, you know, he's got to get open more,
he's got to be able to catch the ball through
coverages and differently, and he's right. He's one to per
serve right. If you'RE gonna be a number one receiver,
you do have to be able to do those things.
But when you're talking about performance versus different things like manageable,
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manageable situations and circumstances like a major injury to one
of your key players, less is more. I'm sorry, less
less is a whole lot more in those scenarios. If
you want to criticize and critique in terms of how
how your team is playing and how they look on
the field, we didn't block well today, or we could
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have tackled better or whatever, that's fine because you're stating
the obvious. But when you jump into the lane of
talking about injuries and how that's gonna play out, first
of all, you're not a doctor. You're not a doctor.
So you're sitting there saying, well, the swelling is subsiding
or it was minimum and that's that. Another and it
seems to not be no, don't do that. Don't do
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that not not for the position that you hold. It's
not for you to do that. You know what you say.
We're supporting DAC. You know doc is going through the
you know, proper process. He'll be back when, when Doak
is healthy enough to get back. Cooper rush look mighty
good out there. Like make a passive approach to like
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Whoa like they just said. Cooper rush look really good
and you know what, you're building cooper rush's brand and
you're building his value. So you might even have trade
bait when you're done with all of this. You know
trade value is there. Is there any other owner in
sports who has a weekly interview hit, not only him
but his sons, on local radio in whatever city they play?
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And it's just because I don't think Mike McCarthy does
a weekly radio hit with anybody like he may, I
have no idea, but I don't even know if he does.
Yet Jerry and Stephen Jones are right there, ready to
ready to be interviewed and talking about the status of
of Dac and everything else going off with the team.
It's actually I kind of I kind of respect it
in a way because they're always pushing the brand. They're
always out there pushing the cowboy brand. So good for them.
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But the Dallas Cowboys, they they are definitely well behind
Philadelphia right now. Also in the odds. Philadelphia's odds, by
the way, I've jumped up two to one to win
that divisions. They look damn good man, they really do.
And even if hurts goes out, you know Minsho's played
some good football. He played well for them last year
in a spot. So it's like, no matter what, this
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roster is deep too. That's the other thing. You tend
to kind of forget just how deep this group is.
I mean they can just roll in guys Um. So
it's it's hard not to think that Philly is not
gonna win the division at this point. Fox Sports radio
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So we got a couple of games and Monday night
football to look back on. And Uh, the buffalo bills,
who were the preseason favorite to win the Super Bowl,
and my guess is, after what they've done to two
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playoff teams from a year ago in prime time, probably not. Probably,
not much has happened in the way of changing people's
minds about how they felt preseason. For for the buffalo bills,
they look fantastic. Absolutely. There's three things I know. I
know the buffalo bills are for real, the Philadelphia Eagles
are the team to beat in the NFC E S
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and o j did it. O J at the bills
game last night. The most positive. He was there, I said.
Somebody said he was on the on the flight from,
I think it was l a, to Buffalo, freaked out
a bunch of Tennessee titans could be but they look great. Man,
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you know when's the last time you can recall there
was a team where everyone kind of talked about him
in the off season, how good they were going to be,
and then they came out and they were actually like that,
legitimately good. Yeah, Tampa, when when Brady went there, I
guess not remember. They got like their their butts kicked.
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Now I know they'd beat the saints this week, but
in the regular season they got their butts kicked by
the saints both both times. Yeah, I opened up that
season at New Orleans, I think. Yeah, I honestly think
you'd have to go back to remember when Denver came
back after they want it to repeat with L A. Yeah,
that's the last time I recall, like everyone talked about, well,
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the Broncos, the broncos, the Broncos, because, and I remember
as a young kid being like man, you know at
that age when a pro bowl, well, the rams, the
rams were like that. If you could recall that, like
when they became the greatest show on turf, that by
the Patriots. That was at the end, though, wasn't it?
Like how how many they had already won? What? One
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or two? One, one, yeah, I mean, but I mean
we don't know that the bills are going to win
it all. But no, but that's what I'm saying, though.
I just I don't remember it seemed being hyped up
like this and then literally coming into the League so far,
the first couple of weeks like just being as advertised.
I think the League's prided itself off parody and all
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that good stuff, and I think this is these first
two weeks. I was like, Oh God, yeah, maybe there's
been just that good. There's been five teams in NFL
history that have been preseason super bowl favorites that have
gone on to win it. The last team was the Patriots,
I think in eighteen or something like that, but it
was a few years ago. But even New England never
looked this good early in the season. They always pick
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up momentum and buffalo looks like nobody can touch him.
The only thing about it, what I'll say, is it
is early. I hate to do it, I hate like
to be that guy, I mean, but they have been
dominant and and their defense looks like as if they
needed to be much improved. They're much improved. I mean
their offense is virtually right now seemingly unstoppable. I mean
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they do look good. I mean they're dominant. Is I
just I just want to see it continue on. I
kind of feel like that with Philly, but because everything
looks right right now with Philly, like it's like, why
is it so easy? I mean maybe Minnesota made it
look easy, but that's how I felt after watching Philly
last night. It was like because and look, maybe maybe
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I feel similar to how you feel like coming into season.
I just I was a little skeptical. Maybe it was
a you're too soon, even as good as Philly, as
roster is, and then watch the last night I was like, damn,
I mean that score was was worse than what it looked.
I mean it really was worse than what it looked
and I just maybe, maybe Phil is just that much
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better than everyone else. I mean, we'll see the games
play out, like you said with Buffalo, but man, you know,
I'll say this much, though, from from following hurts, just
his transition from Bama to Oklahoma, Oklahoma to the NFL,
and I said this for years now, that dude is
like artificial intelligence, like like computer learning. If you ever
hit machine learning, you ever heard that? It's when like
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they write these algorithms and and the actual software program
keeps getting smarter and better, like it learns from its
own mistakes and own experiences. That's like Jalen hurts that dude.
Every time he plays quarterback he gets better. He just
gets better and better and better and better. Like, what's
his odds to win m VP right now? Give me
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it's like plus. It's gonna be like plus eight hundred,
maybe something like that. Maybe after last night it's not.
But he's one that I think between the way he
takes off and runs, which is it's still a concern
he could get hurt, but I think he does a
pretty good job taking care of himself. And then the way,
you know, Shane stake in is calling this offense. It
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all fits and right into what he wants to do
and what he's, you know, good at doing. So I
think he's got a like outside shot of being one
of those names you're here at the end of the
year if this, if he keeps he keeps us up
whining the winning the you know, M v P. Yeah,
he looks fantastic. Last night and he looked at no
I'm still I was waiting to see if he was.
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That's some we just called out on the air. That's
always fun. Yeah, so I was waiting to see how
long was. Do have a ten to one plus one thousand.
I don't know if anybody got that? I tend to
one plus one thousand. So there it is, Um. So
there it is and, by the way, tied with Justin Herbert,
according to Lee to lap, our executive producer here. So
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so there we go. We got jail. He is credit. Yeah,
I mean his his wife. I was clearly working better
than my and too. Congratulations, lead. I mean that's uh,
you know, it's the first there. So that worse than that.
But why do we have two teams getting toyed with
on Primetime television on a double barrel, stack barrel, double whatever, barrel,
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double barrel. Yeah, I mean why were they getting toyed with?
You know, it's like you're watching it and it's like
I actually watched and and and was like man, like
they're really dominating them, and then I switched the channel.
I'm like man, they're really dominating them, and it was
like switching between like it became who could dominate, who
was dominating who more. You know, it's like Malik will
(06:40):
has found out that preseason is not the same as
regular season, and everybody else that was jock sniffing. I
mean I think, well, you know, I think he'll be
a good pro button. He found out real quickly that, uh,
you know, it's different what regular season starts. I gotta,
I gotta get to a bills game. Man, that fan
base looks they that seems like a legitimate home field advantage.
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We mean, just make sure you show up with your
bag of essentials. Yeah, well, of course. I mean, well,
there's other hiding spots for that. And Uh, I mean
I was talking about mustard, mustard and that that I
don't understand that. I really don't understand how anybody could
let that happen, because that feels like that. If you
get sprayed by mustard, doesn't that feel like a multiple
(07:27):
shower process to get off your body? It's so it's
just got to be a stink to it, like a sour.
So it's got to make you feel really, really dirty.
I mean you mix that catch up in with it too.
I just think that that's that's a horrible gift. Even
if you shower the next time you work out and sweat,
it's it's coming out of your pores like you just
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you just smell like, you know, economically rated. At one
kid that was cramped and they were trying to give
him they were trying to give him mustard. He was
like no, I'd rather cramp. He was hurting. Is Mustard
the one you can't stand, Brady, or is it catch up? Which?
which is the one you can't stand? Mustard catch up
(08:08):
to me. It's like maybe the best condiment. It's mustard.
It smells grooves, it looks gross, like nothing should be
like high lighter yellow that you actually put in your
that's that's pretty interesting, but it makes sense. It looks
high light or yellow, highlighter yellow, some of that stuff
like that. That's not natural, like I I god did
(08:30):
not make mustard to look like that, like you could
spray someone and all of a sudden now they become
like a traffic signs brought I don't know, man mustard,
mustard and sour kraut. He can't. He's got a hot,
doting man. I can go for it right now. I'm
gonna throw up. I'm going to make me some brots. Yeah,
(08:58):
that is really I don't know why you guys want
to hear. You guys want to hear brutally honest Mike
Rabel after the game, Mike Rabel, who saw his team
get absolutely annihilated. Boat Race. Uh, what do you invite Y'all. Wow,
you people. Yeah, don't you people say boat race? So
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here was Mike Rabel after seeing his team get dismantled
on Monday night football. I don't know if it had
anything to do with the offseason. I don't know if
it had anything to do with preseason. We weren't very
good to night, top to bottom, and uh, nobody did
enough for us to win, and including and starting with me.
You know, there's always gonna be some plays out there
as a player that you wish you had back. There's
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always gonna be calls as a play caller that you
wish you had back. Now is not the time. We've
never done it. It's not gonna be about one person.
We got our asses kicked, plain and simple. They out
coached us, they outplayed us, and and that the definition
of it. And so we're going to get back to
work and we're going to figure out a way to
win a football game. So they cannot point something out
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and get y'alls reaction on it cube pointing, pointing out
the statistic of Oh and two starts and not making
the playoffs. You do know that Tennessee is now and two.
This might be the caveat give me, come on, I
want to get your reaction to it. Well, I think
the caveat is how bad the FC South is, because,
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I mean you've got Houston, who's uh, they look like
one on one. You've got indie, who's Oh, one on one.
You've got Jacksonville, who's one of one one, I think,
leading the division at this point. Jacksonville's gonna mess around
and win the division. Then you've got Tennessee Zo in
two seez. That's exactly how we saw this division player. Well,
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I don't know why I mean, but but for people
listening on our fine affiliate Nashville, the zone, that is
the saving grace. You're correct that you look at this
and go well, always, all we gotta do is be
better than Jacksonville and at some point during the season,
hopefully later in the season, when all everything is said
and done, and we're gonna grab one of those playoff spots,
because other than that that's got to feel good. All
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we have to be better than Jacksonville. The whole. Seriously, seriously,
it's a huddle up together. I'm looking Lavar, looking you
in the eyes, I'm looking at Jonas in the eyes.
All we gotta DO FELLAS will be better than Jacksonville.
Like that's like, does that give you a little swag?
Walk into the club of your boys? Hey, Jacksonville, we'll
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get it. Can I ask a crazy question? Because somebody,
some people, were tweeting us because apparently we're jaguars haters
on this show because, yea, the Jaguars fans actually reached
out on yeah, of course, yeah, of course, that's shocking.
So tell them to maybe actually sit in the stands
and root for the team. They did a very good pool. See,
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my understanding is that guaranteed. Those people, Hayton, are not
are not to my my understanding is that they have
been attending the Games. The problem is they dropped their
phone in the swimming pool on the top deck, and
so they just now got it back to be able
to treat the show. Yeah, now, now they are making
their voices be heard. But can I ask a crazy question? Is,
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does Jacksonville have the best quarterback in the division right now?
Right now? Yeah, I mean, I don't know. That's isn't that?
In that like a big portion of the battle. If
you've got the best quarterback in the division, you're you're
you're probably set up to be pretty successful of that division.
And I mean if you look around, mills, Matt Ryan's
looked terrible. Ryan Tannehill got taken out last night to
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take out and you watch the rookie get his asking.
Like Jacksonville's got the best quarterback in the division right now.
The JAGS, how about it? But again it goes back
to the original statement. Right, like it's the Jags, like
we all got a chance. Like, trust me, I've never
seen an O and two team walk into a club
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with more swag right now than the Tennessee titans. They
should still feel pretty confident about their chance, although, like
their defense doesn't look the same without Harold Landry. They
lost him and that hurts. Offensively, I know they got
trailing burks, but I mean you you go watch philly
and then you flip back and you're watching Tennessee and
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buffalo and you're like, all right, Trailon buroks is not
providing the same type of impact that a j Brown is,
to me at least for the Philadelphia Eagles. You know,
and and the Trailon Brooks might at some point, but
they're just not there yet. Um. So it's just it
seems like the offense outside of Derrick Henry doesn't have
as much juice. Defensively, they're missing some juice guests. WHO's
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onto television right now? WHO The juice? Yeah, yeah, said Yeah,
the was that naked gun? One or two? Which one
is this? Who? Yeah, wow, it's good to see. I
mean he looked like, you know, he was a really
good actor. Yeah, you'll ever do another movie. So it's
Martin and Brenda. What about that role he played in
(14:19):
the courtroom? was his best acting role that he played
in the court room? Also, by the way, Taylor, Laan Taylor,
was carded off like last night could not have gone
worse for the Tennessee Titans from top to bottom. Well, yeah,
that is fair. Um, yeah, speaking of which, uh, there's
a lot going on here this morning. Good Google Berto is.
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He found a different way of of making us laugh. Why?
Why does he always save that stuff? It's going down
with the trench coke. There's nothing on that. She's I
just basically got back from L A. I was in
l a all of yesterday. What do you mean? I
(15:06):
basically just got back. So how much time do you
spend at the airport? Oh, hours or something like that.
Is An all day affair trying to get out of Cali.
Back to the eight hours I was stuck in what
was like just a box, just a box looking that's
not all this plane. I couldn't leave that our our
our initial plane, had a maintenance issue. They had to
(15:28):
find another plane, and I'm not sure if you realize this,
it's hard to find another plane that's empty because all
the other planes they're filled with people and they're actually
going places. So I literally sat there for like eight hours,
just like watching tape, doing work and just sitting in
an airport. That's W's and it was l a X,
which which man, they put in a new shopping mall.
(15:49):
Make you walk all the way through. Have you done
that walk? It's got to be a mile, correct has
to be very far, and I didn't. I didn't do that.
got like they got like a shopping mall and they
direct traffic straight through the shopping mall and they've got like,
I don't know what's in there, but it's like a
(16:10):
top top shelf. People just want to get their bags
and they set it through a shopping mall. Let me
get some SOMEC Oh man. It's it's well done, but
but yeah, nonetheless, a lot of walking, thoughts and prayers
of the Tennessee titans and the Minnesota Vikings. Rough night.
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in Pittsburgh. Over the weekend. The steelers who ended up
losing that game, the Pittsburgh steelers. Yeah, yeah, they're too bad.
Your steelers losing to the Patriots memory and there was
(16:58):
some some noise being made by the fans. Yeah, they were.
It was only a matter of time. We talked about
it right after the draft that it was only a
matter of time before the clamoring of Kenny Pickett started
in Pittsburgh and it was just it was you know,
this was gonna be the way that it was going
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to go. They were gonna want to see their hometown
guy play. And then we're two weeks into the season,
the offense looks a little stagnant and the chance I've
already started that. Travisky afterwards said that you know, it's
it's part of the deal. You got to block it out, just,
you know, the the usual sort of stuff. When I
asked about the chance there. Mike Tomlin, though, spoke with
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the media yesterday about some of the play calling and
just where the offense is at right now, two weeks
into the year. Mike, are you happy with the play
calling and play design concept at this point of the season?
You know, I'm not happy with much of anything, man,
when we just lost a game. But Um, but I'm
also experienced enough to see the big picture that we
are still very much in development and so, Um, I'm
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going to exercise appropriate patience and and continue to teach
and and and ask the guys who continue to learn
in an effort to continue to push this train down
the track and get better. I think that if anyone
is sitting here on, you know, on Monday and week
two of this thing feeling happy, Um, they're probably wrong, UM,
or misinformed. So there was the steelers head coach speaking
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on on the off I love him. He's awesome. Um,
the offense, not so much. Yeah, I'M NOT gonna put
this on Robinsky. You know, going back watching some of
that game this past week, and I've said this now
for a while, you know, there should be more pressure
on Matt Canada as their play caller. I just don't
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see the creativity. I don't see for a team that
has the the ability to get guys open. I don't
see that quite as much as is what you would hope.
I don't see them doing enough with with Mitchell trobinsky
skill set, you know, incorporating him as as part of
the run game more. And he's an athletic guy. He
can hurt you with his feet. You've got to have him,
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in my opinion, run the football five or six times
a game. Have A quarterback design run five or six
times a game for him, not scrambles, but an option
for him to run in a in an actual game.
You've got a first round quarterback's backing him up. What's
the risk like? If, if, if, he doesn't play well
in a more conventional offense, that's on you as a
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play caller, because you weren't, you know, putting together an offense.
I was gonna help Mitche Trobinsky excels. So I just
I look at it and say it should be the
figures should be pointing more at Matt Cannada at this point,
who really has struggled in my opinion as a play
caller there and they've got to find some of the
way of bringing in somebod who's more creative, plays more
of the strengths of their quarterback, whether it's Mitchell Trobiskey
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now or Kenny picket once. He would get a shot.
I just wonder what the trust issues are about, because
that's that's what it looks like Canada's played hauling screams.
I don't trust you, is it? I don't trust all
of the drops from last season from some of the
receivers that are are there. Is it? I don't trust
Robinsky to be able to deliver it. I don't trust
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his reads. I don't or I don't trust the offensive line.
You know, I don't know what it is, but the
way the basicness of of the play calling and the approach,
like not taking any type of risks, not trying to
take the top off of the defense, not trying to strength,
like the one thing a defender does not like is
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when you stress them out by stretching the field, like
we feel it as as upfront guys and in so
many cases because it's like you have to decide, are
we going to cover, are we going to pressure. If
we are able to pressure, how many players do we
need to be able to pressure? How many players do
(20:57):
we need to cover? And they're cheese and theory. You
would you would have to assume that you and that
the coverages are are really geared towards. You know, what we,
we saw Minnesota try to do, is make sure you
keep keep the ball underneath and you can rally up,
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tackle it and and play the next down. I agree.
I don't like a bid but don't break style of defense.
But if you don't ever force a defense to have
to deal with the I guess the the dangers of
pushing the ball really really down filled, then now you
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give a defense the ability to find a rhythm, to
find confidence, and you you'll see them start to do more.
You'll probably see a defensive coordinator start to get a
little bit more um confident in what they're dialing up
because you you actually know exactly what you're going to
get in those basic play calls. Chase Claypool Deonte Johnson
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both made comments after the game frustrated with just some
of the play calling in the offense there. So how
does the conversation go between Mike Tomlin and and the
offensive coordinator, Matt Canada. How does that conversation go? Does
he say, change up what you're doing, we need more
of this, like how does that discussion go between those
two guys to try and implement some of the changes
(22:27):
that need to be made there? It depends on their relationship.
You know, I can't speak of that. I mean the
only thing I can say is there's gonna be a conversation.
They're gonna, you know, go back and forth about, you know,
what they feel like they need to do and there's
gonna be a thought of Mike Tomlin's head of who
would replace Um Matt Canada as a play caller if
(22:50):
they don't feel like he can do the job. And
and you know, for a guy who's has experienced so
much success, I would imagine very similar to his Um,
you know, I guess, the way he talks about his
players and providing them to a degree. I guess some
leeway here there, but I would imagine he's, you know,
(23:11):
tough on his coaches too. So if this thing doesn't
turn around, I mean they might change quarterbacks, that that's
not gonna fix their issues. Their issues the guy who's
calling the place. So I don't. I don't know. I
don't know if it's Mike Sullivan, uh, the quarterbacks coach,
who would take over? Who would take over? But at
some point they really should contemplate that this has gone
for farts and long, even if we with Ben Roethlisberger,
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and everyone put it on Ben and honestly, it's not
on him and it's not on the skill players. They've
got talent, they've got ability. When you go watch other Games,
go watch what Philly's doing with Shane Steke in their
offensive coordinator. Go Watch what they're doing. Go Watch with
Ken Dorsey's doing in Buffalo last night. Look at the creativity.
Look what they're doing with their quarterbacks to put them
in a position to be successful. You don't see that
(23:54):
in Pittsburgh at all. SEZ Well, they better fix it.
And and like coach Tomlin said, I mean I'm gonna
I'm gonna ride with his word because I think that
he's a very genuine and candidate. Dude, it's development. You know,
I'll say this, with as basic as the play calling
is and, as I guess, discouraging as it has looked
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so far, and and and what I guess, the the
effectiveness could could represent. It is a first year quarterback.
There are a lot of first year players that that
are part of what's going on. They're still trying to
find or or or redefine what the identity of this
this team is as a whole. You know, you lose
(24:39):
t j watt, that's a big you know, for what
it's worth, that's probably, I'm not even gonna say probably,
because he's earned he's earned enough respect, enough credibility to
say he's the difference in that game. All right, like
they win that game if they have t j watt.
So when when thinking about Uh uh, the type of
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score and low scoring game that it is against the
team that's really, really vulnerable and for the taking in
in the New England patriots, and you lost it at home.
You know, that just says to me it's it's either one.
You do have to develop and you have to get
that chemistry and you have to get that trust and
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you gotta be, you know, bold enough and willing enough
to take chances. or or or the the second one
is not it's not a positive diagnosis. You know, it's
it's like you basically don't have you have an inability
to be able to have a more explosive style of
offense and I'm just I'm not going to resign to
(25:43):
that just yet. I will say sometimes it just takes
a little bit more time. We've got so used to
seeing guys have success so quickly, like Tom Brady ruined
it for everyone you know. For for a while there
it's like, get a guy two years, get the guy
at least you know, a new quarterback or a new coach.
Give them at least two to three years before you
(26:04):
start saying he's gotta go, you know. But you've seen
so many guys come in and have success right away
anymore that it's it's really evolved into the moment you
get the job, you are thrust into a situation, as
a quarterback or as a coach, whether it's a coordinator
of the offense or of the defense, where you are
being judged immediately upon what your results are, and those
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judgments are based upon the amount of success that you're having.
They're not giving you a great superiod to let let
me put implement my offense, let me implement my defense,
let's get a familiarity of what why we're doing what
we're doing. That doesn't really exist anymore. You gotta step
it up and you gotta move way quicker than what
you ever have. As it applies to professional sports, specially football.
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Isn't it a trickle down effect? Because if the coaches
feel like if I have one or two bad seasons,
I'm out, then all of a sudden they're not patient
with their players, they're not patient with we gotta change this.
We got to change that, um it. Mike Tomlin's the opposite, though.
I mean he's got you know, he's a guy who's
not going anywhere. Um, he's never had a losing season there.
And yet here they are and two weeks in they've
(27:14):
changed quarterbacks, they've drafted this guy. Now you've got players
speaking out on the offense. I just I wonder how
long this goes before Mike Tomins which, by the way,
they've got a short week this week. THEY'RE AT CLEVELAND
COMING UP ON THURSDAY, so we get to see that
play out on national TV. But yeah, it's interesting to
see this steeler team who just doesn't run the ball anymore.
Like they don't run the football anymore, which has always
(27:36):
been a staple of theirs and over the past several years.
I don't know if it's Matt Canada or if it
goes beyond that, but they just don't run the ball anymore.
Two different steeler team. What you grew up with, sticks
what Brady played again, definitely, but I don't think they
don't run it because they don't want to run it.
I think they don't run it because they can't run it.
And and again that that comes down to re establishing
(27:59):
what your identity is. I mean, you gotta think that's
classically a fullback team. It's always classically been a full
back team. So you're not only talking about one back,
you're talking about two backs. And and q you can
speak to this. I mean as as a student of
the game. For me, if you're going to if you're
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going to not have an effective, efficient passing attack, then
you had better have somebody who can block for your
tail back, that being the offensive line and not being
somebody that an h back or or a fullback that
can block, because if you're not getting that defense up
off of the line of scrimmage. Where now I'm comfortable
(28:44):
enough because I see that you're throwing intermediate to short routes.
You're doing a short game. I can I can actually
cover the passing tree that you're running, but also load
the box up to be able to stop the run.
So once I once, once I get that first defensive
linemen to take on that double team, my linebackers are
(29:05):
relatively clean and if my linebacker isn't clean, that my
safety is going to be clean. You don't have enough
to block to get a guy into the second wave
or the third wave of of the of the defense.
That's the problem Pittsburgh is having trying to run the ball.
You don't have enough effective, efficient passing game to be
able to establish the run. Well, I'll put it this way.
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I think they could. I don't know that there, again,
is any creativity or things that are playing to the
strengths of what Mitchell Trobiski does. I think one of
the biggest struggles you have with play callers in the
NFL and play calling in general is some guys call
plays more focused on what they feel like it's gonna
work against the defense they're going up against, and then
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other guys are able to incorporate that thought. Hey, what's
gonna work against what we're going against? And then what
plays the strengths of my players? What plays the strengths
of my quarterback. It just feels like Matt Canada's calling plays,
like when you go out there and watch, it's like
he's calling plays. There's not a lot of a separation.
There's not a lot of creativity to it. They've got
(30:10):
a bunch of good receivers and guys they can do
some stuff with. They're just not and that's that's an issue.
And so I kind of look at it from that
vantage point, like it didn't matter if it was bend.
Doesn't matter if the Mitchell trobisky now, it doesn't matter
if it's Kenny Pickett. You can make those changes at
quarterback and you're gonna still see a lack of creativity,
a lack of how they're going about, you know, running
(30:32):
the football. And maybe some of it has to do
with play calling, some of it has to do with scheme,
some of that has to do with execution. They try
to address that this offseason. They're just not there yet.
I mean, look and someone has to Naja Harris, who's
dealing with a foot injury right I mean that that's
gonna be something that nacks in the rest of the
season the way this has gone. So I tend to
look at it and and and say like this has
(30:53):
been going on for years. This isn't just on Mitchell Trobinsky.
He just got there. This is already an issue, a
problem that I could have told you I was looking
at for the past couple of years, before the season
even starting. Mentioned on the air a couple of years ago.
I mean, look again, it's to me it's just a
matter of time before they have to go to someone else.
As far as the play card, I just don't know
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the Dallas cowboys are in much better shape than anybody realizes.
Steven Jones was on the fan in Dallas this coming
off there went over the Cincinnati Bengals, which cooper rush
played pretty well, and Stephen Jones was talking about Dak
(32:20):
Prescott and a potential return which apparently is a lot
quicker than what anybody originally thought against the giants this week. Absolutely,
he's out. I think where I got misconstrued there. That's uh,
you know, three to four weeks from the time of injury.
So the best, I think the very best it would be,
would it would be Washington or the rant. We just
(32:41):
won't know that we get closer, uh you know, to
really given an educated guest. Right now it's still, uh,
you know, I will say this. So far everything's on
his way, from the surgery to the swelling after the
surgery was very minimal compared to what it can be
and uh, you know, we're just optimistic about it. So
they're at that. New York come up on Monday night
(33:01):
football and then Washington dried after that. I mean, it
wasn't the thought six weeks. Wasn't it like six to
eight weeks or something along those lines? And now they're
talking about him coming back in three weeks after the
injury for the fourth game of the season against Washington.
I mean it just it feels like everything's kind of
really been rushed along and I don't know if this
(33:22):
is just they're being as optimistic as possible to try
and sell everybody and don't, don't give up on us. Now.
Everything's everything looks okay, but it just it feels like
even if he does come back, what the Hell is
Dak Prescott gonna look like when he when he does
return coming off that injury? Just feels like it's happening
pretty fast here. Russell Wilson, I think, was was out
for what four or five weeks, tried to come back
(33:43):
and and you know, still struggled a little bit, and
yet here we are with Dak Prescott and they're talking
about the fourth game of the season against Washington. He
struggled more than a little bit. Right he was out
I think what three games and there was to buy
and then he came back after that, but man, Um
that was one of the worst stretches in his career.
I think. You know passing. I don't know. That's the
(34:05):
hard thing is. I mean, you know, dad could come back,
you know, too soon. And I think the harder part
of all that is you know, Jerry Jones gonna have
a lot to say about his play one way or another,
and I don't think he's gonna get brownie points for
coming back before he's ready. But it sounds like that's
where this whole thing is, is angling towards, at least
aiming towards, which is tough. It's tough for Dak and
especially considering that's just gotta Win, you know, bottom line,
(34:28):
as you beat a team that was playing in the
Super Bowl last year. Um, now you can make the
case that Sincinnati's now an own to football team. They
don't look very good, but still you know that they
found a way of getting a win. Uh, maybe see
how things play out the next couple of weeks and
not feel the need to rush back to get Dak
in there if he's not a cent and furthermore, you know,
maybe that was good for your team, you know, with
(34:50):
the way they had to play offensively, Noel Brown stepped
up in a big way. You know, obviously the rushing
attack was a little different than what we saw in
the past. Maybe this offense, while Dax out, is going
to have to evolve around the quarterback position so that
the quarterback doesn't have to be the hero, and maybe
that's a good thing for this group. Uh, and that's
kind of the offense that, to be quite honest, like
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Dak Prescott walked into his rookie year. You know, I
thought that was a team that was led largely by
the rushing attack and DAC make it a place here
and there, but that was a team that was successful
in part two because I think how they were around
the quarterback position, not necessarily at the quarterback position. So
I don't really understand the need for them to rush
him back. Lavar. Yeah, I think that that's kind of
(35:34):
you complicated things by by saying those things, because now
you've now put it out there to the public and
to the fan base, which is one of the largest
fan bases in in all of sports that he's on
his way back, like the swelling with minimum, like everything's
going in his direction. Well, what if he can't make
it back early? Now, are you questioning his his his
(35:57):
heart and his will to want to play, or you like,
if Cooper rush continues to play well? What? Like? I
just think that it's an ill advised way of approaching it.
Like I think that you, you you know, they teach you
very quickly in sales manage expectations right, under sell over
or under promise over over deliver, and the idea of saying, AH, well,
(36:23):
you know what, he's ahead of schedule. It's just going
to be a matter of how he feels and this
and that. Okay, so now what? He doesn't have a
high pain tolerance threshold or you know whatever. You've put
him in a but you've already now put him in
a bad spot. And again, if Cooper rush continues to
play well, then now you've put him in an even
more compromising spot, because it's like, Oh, well, Dad, they
(36:46):
said dad was his surgery went well and that the
swelling was min moment. It's a matter of what he
can tolerate. Why doesn't he want to come back? You
know what, it doesn't matter if he wants to come back.
Cooper is playing well and and let's see what we
can do, or or they go back to being a
team that that well, I think they're going to be,
which is not very good on offense. And if they
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are a team that isn't very good or very productive,
then now the pressure amounts even more so because now
you're looking for him to come back and be a
savior of sorts, of the season instead of just saying
we're gonna take it day by day, we're gonna take
it week by week. You know, and and like the
whole once you go down the road up ahead of schedule,
(37:30):
like Oh, there you go, there are those are the
words of death for an athlete. Man, oh he's ahead
of schedule. Oh there we go, he's got to come back.
It's kind of like the David bactier thing in Green Bay.
People who keep he's been he's been nursing this injury
for six months. I think they've been like that. It
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might have been Collinsworth who said it on Sunday night,
where it's like yeah, packer fans have been here and
you know he's a game or two away for quite
a while. I mean this has been going on for
for a while at avid box tr and and I'll
just ask the question. Can the cowboys beat the giants
on Monday night in New York with Cooper Russia quarterback? Yeah,
they can't. Look of course that's that's why we play
(38:11):
these games, but I'm probably taking the giants the way
they look right now. Yeah, I'll, I'll be real with you,
but it's you know, it's not so doom and gloom
at quarterback to where you're like, oh, he's got to
come back, because if he doesn't come back, and then
you've got Washington after that and it's at home and
Washington looks a little bit suspect. You know, I just
(38:34):
I don't I don't understand, but maybe this is just
par for the course when you've got, you know, Jerry
and Stephen Jones who have, you know, multiple hits a
week on Dallas radio. They just have to talk and
talk into why doesn't Jimmy? I like to let people
know how much they know, and that's the thing about it.
It's okay to talk right but when you get into
letting people know how much you know, like the credibility
(38:57):
of what it is that I'm saying, when I'm saying
it like, uh, you know, he's got to get open more,
he's got to be able to catch the ball through
coverages and differently, and he's right. He's one to per
serve right. If you'RE gonna be a number one receiver,
you do have to be able to do those things.
But when you're talking about performance versus different things like manageable,
(39:20):
manageable situations and circumstances like a major injury to one
of your key players, less is more. I'm sorry, less
less is a whole lot more in those scenarios. If
you want to criticize and critique in terms of how
how your team is playing and how they look on
the field, we didn't block well today, or we could
(39:40):
have tackled better or whatever, that's fine because you're stating
the obvious. But when you jump into the lane of
talking about injuries and how that's gonna play out, first
of all, you're not a doctor. You're not a doctor.
So you're sitting there saying, well, the swelling is subsiding
or it was minimum and that's that. Another and it
seems to not be no, don't do that. Don't do
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that not not for the position that you hold. It's
not for you to do that. You know what you say.
We're supporting DAC. You know doc is going through the
you know, proper process. He'll be back when, when Doak
is healthy enough to get back. Cooper rush look mighty
good out there. Like make a passive approach to like
(40:22):
Whoa like they just said. Cooper rush look really good
and you know what, you're building cooper rush's brand and
you're building his value. So you might even have trade
bait when you're done with all of this. You know
trade value is there. Is there any other owner in
sports who has a weekly interview hit, not only him
but his sons, on local radio in whatever city they play?
(40:46):
And it's just because I don't think Mike McCarthy does
a weekly radio hit with anybody like he may, I
have no idea, but I don't even know if he does.
Yet Jerry and Stephen Jones are right there, ready to
ready to be interviewed and talking about the status of
of Dac and everything else going off with the team.
It's actually I kind of I kind of respect it
in a way because they're always pushing the brand. They're
always out there pushing the cowboy brand. So good for them.
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But the Dallas Cowboys, they they are definitely well behind
Philadelphia right now. Also in the odds. Philadelphia's odds, by
the way, I've jumped up two to one to win
that divisions. They look damn good man, they really do.
And even if hurts goes out, you know Minsho's played
some good football. He played well for them last year
in a spot. So it's like, no matter what, this
(41:32):
roster is deep too. That's the other thing. You tend
to kind of forget just how deep this group is.
I mean they can just roll in guys Um. So
it's it's hard not to think that Philly is not
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