October 13, 2022 • 37 mins
A preview of Thursday Night Football between the Commanders and Bears. Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer weighs in on the league evaluating Roughing the Passer calls and concussion protocols, as well as league owners trying to out Dan Snyder. Plus, Davante Adams is charged with misdemeanor assault.
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So we have got ourselves the Naked Jumping Jack's NFL
game coming up later on tonight, Week six. Right, these
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are naked Jumping Jack's. You want to know why because
the betting line is flopping around, just flopping around everywhere
like naked jumping jacks. Yeah, and you get to pick them.
Last time I look, which is appropriate for it's been
it's been Commandos minus one it earlier in the week,
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and then it ventured over to Bears territory minus one.
Now it's back, according to DraftKings, over to Commandos minus one.
It's been a pick them in certain places. Basically, what
they're saying is that Washington is a little bit better
football team. Neither one of these teams are great. So
let's just kind of, you know, swap and take turns
every single day and just kind of switch things up
a little bit. But we do have a Week six
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matchup as Week six kicks off later on tonight. We
got the Commandos, We've got the Bears on Thursday Night Football.
The Bears are gonna debut there. All orange jerseys like
they're doing these orange helmets and orange they look terrible,
look like a pump channel. Yeah, so I thought, yeah,
I mean, come on, man, pumpkins still get enough credit
this time here, right, you go to a pumpkin patch.
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Come on, Telly Man, go sit on a stack of
hay go to a pumpkin patch. All right. Although I
will say this that the conditions they're probably better than
what Soldier Field's going to roll out later on tonight.
But we do have LaVar's former team, uh, the Washington
Commandos with the backdrop of the Carson Wentz Ron Rivera
drama Ron Rivera returning to Chicago where you want a
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Super Bowl as a player? Apologize, Yeah, I mean I apologize,
you know, yeah, Okay, but hold on, hold on, you're
coaching now and your co defense, and so if they
came up and asked you, after hey, coach, coach, coach Arrington,
Mr LaVar, what led to the loss tonight? You just
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said our cornerbacks, Like I mean, I don't know you
could talk to him after the fact, but there's got
to be some degree of you said it, I mean,
and they had to follow up to get more out
of you. You basically just put. I mean, I just
he's he's been a player, he's been a head coach,
not once. I mean, he has been successful and done
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it for a long time. This that caught me off guard,
Like that kind of caught me like he must be
feeling a lot of pressure from other places to be
that out of character for Ron Rivera or that frustrated.
You know. And I'm being sarcastic when I say he apologized.
I mean, listen, when when you're in a situation like
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like this one that that played out with that quarterback
and Ron answers the way that he answered, you know
what that says to me he had already sent it
to somebody and he had already said it enough where
he felt comfortable enough to just let it riten, Like
he just let it fly like quarterback, Like like I've
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already had this conversation a few times before i even
did this interview. So for for him to say hi,
sometimes you say things and then the media wants to
like that's I'm I'm a fan of Ron. I got
to know Ron after Pro Bowl. He was my coach
every single year, Like when he was in Philly, he
was the linebackers coach, he was my coach every single
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year at the Pro Bowl, so we had some some
good moments to to talk and get to know each other.
So I've always been a fan of coach Coach rivera UM,
but let's let's be real here. Own that. Own it.
You said it, Stand on it. Don't say you you
you you misstepped or you know people are waiting, like
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the media is a UM. It isn't always a good place.
It's not always a good representation of what things are
supposed to be or how they should be done. But
you can't always blame the media. It can't always be
your scapegoat. The media is has it out for me?
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You said it? That's not either, like you can't. You
can't sit there and and and walk that one back. All.
I thought it was cool that coach rivera coach Ron
addressed it. You know my situation to the team in
the team meeting room. Okay, but everybody's sitting in that
team meeting room thinking the same thing that coach Ron said.
So how cool is that? Well, it's cool that y'all
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acknowledge it in front of you, in front of his face.
I'd rather you acknowledge Listen, I've always been the one
that said, if you hate me, then you tell me
you hate me like I don't. I don't want you
hiding your hate for me or your disdain like I don't.
I don't want you to hide that if you don't
like something thing about me, or let me know. You know,
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there was a time where that was okay. You know,
we lived in a world where it was okay to say,
you know what, I don't like you. I might not
even have a good reason not to like you, but
I don't like you. I'd rather know you don't like
something than to not know at all. So at least,
at least Carson Wentz knows he probably won't be in
Washington next next year. So if you were thinking about
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buying a property versus are you still renting or did
you buy a property? And as like man, I spent
a lot of money on this piece of property, put
it up for sale, like you might as well just
put it up for sale now. So the idea of
it is, at least he knows where he stands. You
can walk it back, you can apologize. You out of there.
You know, I might be out of there too. You know,
it's pretty damning about the whole thing too, because the
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question was what's the difference between you guys and every
other team in the division, because there are a full
three not the league, yeah, just the division, just the division.
There there are a full three plus games back of
everybody else. Washington is and and one of those one
those guys is a backup. Yeah, so you so like,
look look at the other quarterbacks in the division. One's
a backup, another guy was a second round pick, and
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the other guy, Daniel Jones. They don't yeah, they don't
even want him. So like that's that's the most damning
part about all this, And it just there's something about
Carson wentz Man because Brady pointed out the numbers aren't
that bad there, like they're like top ten in passing,
like he's I mean if you exclude the picks, which again,
when you're down in games like this is the thing
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I hate when people oh the pics, it's like, well, again,
what do you want him to do? Like, what do
you want to do? Want to throw the ball in
the dirt and just punt or like just up there
a fourth down? He didn't want to throw it and
give it a chance, like if you're down, there's gonna
be some risky throws that turn into picks at the
end of it. Some of it, some of it's like that,
like it just it happens. But I don't know. As
it relates to tonight's game. I look at it and
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just say, I trust Washington and that offense to move
the ball at in that sort of scenario, like at
the end of the game, to have a too minute
drive to kick a field goal. I've seen them do
it this year. I trust them a lot more than
I do Chicago. Even though I thought Fields played pretty
well last week, there was probably one of his better
performances throwing um And that's not all on him, Like
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I don't know that they're letting him throw that much,
and I don't know that that's his skill set either.
I think that's like they realize their offensive line is
not great. There's not necessarily the best personnel to to
open up throw too. So I think Luke gets he's
kind of protecting them. But I just trust the commanders,
like the commandos, more in this instance than I do.
If you're looking at how these two teams match up, listen,
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is this is this a favorable matchup to continue the
growth of Amazon. Brian, Well, I mean, you got some
storied franchises, Uh, you know one of them. A couple
of times are stories from the past. Well, here's at
the end of the thing with like Justin Fields and
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the Bears just call it. It is a full blown rebuild,
Like they're tearing this thing down to the studs outside
of the quarterback and they've got to rebuild it. The
offensive line is brutal, he's got the personnel in front
of he has no time to throw the ball. He
gets he gets sacked seemingly all the time. When he
drops back, he's sacred. I think it is higher than
anybody else in the league. And it's like this is
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just the position they're in, and now they're being featured
in prime time. So if Justin Fields goes out there
and struggles, you know, the conversation is not gonna be yeah,
but look at the situation and totality, the conversation is
gonna be, oh yeah, he's not the guy we are.
We are. The book's already written on Justin Fields. He's
got less than a year as a starting quarterback in
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the NFL, on a bad roster and a bad organization.
But no, it's all on Justin Fields. That's why I
feel bad for him in this spot, because if he
goes out there and puts up pedestrian numbers, they're gonna
do the comp game to every other quarterback in his
draft class, and they're going to compare him to Trevor
Lawrence and say we haven't seen signs of growth, which
you actually have. But he's got nothing really around him.
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So people just look at the box score and then
just you know, write whatever report they want to write
on Justin Fields at this point in his career. He's
in a bad spot. It's too bad, you know. And
now I look Albert brier Us, you know, called it
out in Ohio State alum, and a lot of people
wanted to bust his balls and say he was just kissing.
Asked to uh to Ohio State Bucca, and he said,
he's in a really terrible spot. Like I just I
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wonder if the Bears are bad enough and they're picking
at the top of the draft next year. This regime
has no loyalty to Justin Fields. They didn't draft him,
not the coach, not the front office. Do they look
at one of these quarterbacks that comes out if they're
picking at the top of the draft. I think, look,
I said this about the Jets, if they're in with
a bad record or they're in striking distance. This is
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one of those draft class that I think you do
have to look at them and evaluate them because between
what could be and Anthony Richardson and Will Levice, those
guys kind of ooze with potential and talent. See j
Stroud is a much more polished, kind of finished product
coming from Ohio State now. And then Bryce Young, who's
my favorite. It's just, you know, I think the people
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are gonna look at him and say small, and you
see some concerns you had about to it like that,
you look at Bryce Young and even though they play
completely different, I think again, Bryce is one of the
best prospects watching him on tape that I've seen in
you know, since I've started doing this and maybe the
past couple of decades. But people are gonna say small,
and he is smaller stature, six foot, but he's probably
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one maybe two hundred pounds, Like can he take the
abuse of an NFL season? So there's all those questions,
but you have to do your due diligence. You have
to evaluate those guys. I just think Justin Fields is
a different, you know, prospect, like coming out looking out,
prolific he was in college, his athleticism, all those things,
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Like to me, it's it's a different story and narrative.
And look, if they would look at another quarterback, dude,
trade him, let him go somewhere else, like him, have
a fresh start somewhere else, better situation. Yeah, he seems
like a good kid too, Like everybody meets him a lot.
He's a good kid, he's a good leader, he works hard.
It's like he does all the things right and he's
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just in a really, really tough situation. We've all a
lot of us have been there. We've been there. You've
got you can you can speak, you can speak on things,
and you can feel it in your hearts. As Q
mentioned earlier in the show, you know you could feel
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this one in your heart. I can't like it did
brings back all those memories and it happens to be
there playing the team that I dealt with that one.
You know, that's what it is. That's uh, that's funny.
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slander on pon your name on this show, it's not
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happening here. Sent by the way, Jonas was I jumped
in the middle of that. Like last segment was was
Brandy talking about your personal workouts there pushing six seven
under pound. Well, yeah, I mean that's a warm up,
you know, I mean, you know how we do it.
That's what caffres. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what
if I turned the I turned the car off, so
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if the tahouse starts deeping, Now we really got from
well you know, listen, there's there's a worse here. Man
could be an evil spirit for all we know. Yeah, yeah,
not like the show. Apparently. Well, um Albert, maybe the
ghost doesn't like you, Albert. Geez, guys up when I'm
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on this show. Hey, hey, you too. You guys have
a game here in a couple of weeks. Get warmed up.
Get warmed up, um Albert, speaking of playing nice, are
we going to see any change with this roughing the
passer mumbo jumbo that's gone on. It's the latest drama
in the NFL. What what do you expect to happen,
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if anything, when it comes to the drama surrounding some
of these bad calls. Well, I think we all know
the NFL as rabbit ears when it comes to these
sorts of things, and I I think a part of
it is an over correction from the toa thing. And
it wouldn't surprise me, you know, if you know the
officials were told not to let anything go when it
comes to hits on quarterbacks, and you know, we saw
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the way they handled head injuries that first weekend, um
after the tour thing where you know, there were fifteen
games and there was only one player was evaluated for
head injury who went back into the game. I think
I mentioned that to you guys last week. That's justin
Reeves in the Chiefs. So um, you know, I think
part of it is a reaction to that, you know.
And I think the other issue is I don't think
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the officials know what to call, you know, in these situations.
And I and you know, I think, you know, this
is just my feeling on it. The technology exists where
you can correct this stuff in real time, and um,
you know, I I can think back to a situation.
You guys remember the hit Mason Rudolph took from Earl
Thomas a few years back, and that feels rapist game, right,
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Um okay, so um you have to follow me here,
but it's a story worth telling in this situation, they
you know, like so that that the hit happens. And
if you guys, if you guys have, if you had
the broadcast, you go back and look at it. You
can see when the when CBS went to break, there
there was no flag on the ground. There were trainers
out in the field looking at Mason Rudolph. They come
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back from break and there is a flag on the ground. Well,
what happened during the commercial break, which nobody saw, was
the ref suddenly dropped the flag. And so John Harbaugh
went over to the officials and said, well, what happened,
you know, like, how come? How are you dropping a
flag two minutes after the play. And the official said
to John Harbaugh, well, you know, they called down from
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the booth and they said it was a high hit.
And John's response was, oh, you mean like a sky judge,
you know, because he had been an advocate for the
Sky Judge. The reason I'm telling that story of year
is because in that situation, the officials used the technology
that was available of them, right. And I just don't
know why in a situation like we had Monday night
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um in the Chiefs the Chiefs Raider's Game, a situation
we had on Sunday in the Falcon Bucks game, why
someone in New York couldn't buzz down in New York,
buzzed down into the field and stay take up the flag.
And I think what people at the League office would
tell you is, well, you know, that could create a
bad situation on the field where you know, we have
officials picking up flags. Now you you have you know,
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like the crowd going nuts and you have the coaches upset,
and I would just answer to that, well, you know,
if the ref made a mistake, then he needs to
be accountable for it. And if he gets food out
of the building or the coach gets in his face,
well you know, then then good. You know what I mean? Like,
because the idea here should be to get the call right.
And um, you know, in the in the in the
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Chiefs game, we're obviously caught about points on the board
and the falconst Busky because talking about the outcome of
the game. So I just wish, and I've always felt
this way, when the technology is available to you to
make these decisions in real time, and I'm not even
talking about reviewing it, but when the technology is available
to make these decisions in real time, use that technology
to get the call right. It's crazy, Albert. It's almost
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like at another level of football they do something similar
to this. It's it's a little weird, and it's like,
maybe maybe we could just implement what college football has
already done. I mean, they have this in particular and
players safety call is targeting is their catchphrase there. But
that's essentially what we're talking about is a player's safety issue,
and how they're trying to go about governing all of this.
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Let me ask this, why does common sense not prevail
in this case? Like why is it so hard for
the NFL to look at it and go all right, Like,
clearly this rule we didn't take into account a play
like what we would see with Chris Jones and Derek Carr.
We we've got to maybe write something additionally to the rule,
or we've got to look at that and say, okay,
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if the defender then strip sack, you know, strip sacks
the quarterback, he's no longer a passer anymore, even though
he's in the pocket, doesn't matter. And so at this point,
like we we have to start looking out for the
integrity of the game and not just make rules to
try to protect quarterbacks, which they already do, probably more
so than ever before in the history of this game. Brady,
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my feeling is you just in the NFL, you have
too many hands in the pot, you know. So you
have lawyers telling you that you've got to be careful
about anything involving concussions. You've got the network telling you
that they want the games to be moving along, and
they want the games done in three hours and fift
eight minutes. You've got the referees Union not wanting to
be embarrassed on the field. Um, you've just got so
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many hands in the pot in these things. And I
think that's, honestly, how these things get bastardized, where the
league just decides in a lot a lot of times
in these situations, let's just do as little as possible
because that's going to get us in the least trouble,
you know, And you know, I wish it wasn't that way,
because I do think that there are common sense solutions
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to a lot of these things. And like you said
in college, like why not have it automatically? Why not
have like the booze automatically be a part of the
decision making process. And this is the whole thing with
the Sky Judge. I mean, you had no lesson authority,
You had no lesson authority than Andy Reid we doing
the charge in the Sky Judge, and they still couldn't
get it done. And why Well, because the official on
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the field is the guy in charge, Well, why does
it have to be that way? If he's wrong, wouldn't
he want to have somebody up stairs is a second
set of eyes for him. So much of it makes
no sense to me. And I again, like the technology
is in place, and you know what, like maybe this
isn't the way it was thirty years ago, but you
know what else, that technology didn't exist thirty years ago.
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They couldn't call it to the booths, they couldn't call
in New York, they couldn't do those things. The technology
wasn't there for them to do those sorts of things
back then. It's there for you now. I just I'm
with you. I don't understand why they don't use it.
Do you think that these penalties being called the way
they're being called is it's kind of a the result
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of what happened to tah and and they're talking about
toa is set to clear concussion protocols. But let's be
clear here, Ab, if he comes back and he gets
what would be considered I mean some would say second,
but most that paid attention would say his third concussion
in so many weeks of playing football? Uh, I mean,
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how bad of a look is this? And and is
this We know that the NFL is you know, reactive
towards anything that could be um you know, bad for
the brand Yeah, I think it would bothers. There's no
question that. Um, that's a huge part of whither being
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slower and more deliberate than to uh that I think
they've been with almost any player I can remember. You know. Um,
it's rare that like a team would put a player
out on the practice field on Wednesday, which you know
that the Dolphins did yesterday, and immediately say he's not
playing this week. You know, that's really rare. And I
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think they're trying to be transparent about it. I think
they're trying to be deliberate about it, um, you know,
And I do think that there's some pushing pull there
between you on one side wanting to be careful understanding
the liability of putting a player out there, understanding the
pr part of it to the Dolphins, for the league,
you know, and also you know the flip side, which
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is like, the guy's got a career that he's got
to worry about, you know, and um, at some point, um,
the time's gonna come for him to go back on
the field, And how do you thread that needle properly
where it's appropriate to put him back out there and
let him do what he wants to do, which you know, personally,
I'm sure what Tool wants to do is go back
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out there and play football. So I think that's sort
of where they are on that, and i'd agree with
you too that, Like I do think that they've been reactionary,
which is the way the NFL always is. You know,
when you have a league office that is full of
pr guys and lawyers, which is what the NFL league
office is, You're not gonna be proactive. You're gonna be reactive.
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And they have always operated this way where when something happens,
they will go very strongly, um you know, in reacting
to it, even if they did nothing to get ahead
of it in the first place. And so um, you know,
in this case, I think it's going to be in
this case, I think, you know, at least for the
next few weeks, we're probably going to see hits on
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quarterbacks tightly called. We're probably going to see teams being
very very careful as far as how they evaluate players, um,
you know, for head injuries. I think the real impact
of it isn't felt until we're you know, four or
six eight weeks out from the to a situation where
people are talking about it anymore. That's when I think
we'll know what the real impact of the situation was
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Albert Briers joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him on
Twitter at Albert Brier. So we had expected that this
was a possibility that Matt Rule is going to be
fired by Carolina. He does earlier this week after that
bad looking game and performance against the Niners over the weekend.
Is there, Like, I'm not saying that this would happen
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in season, but who is a coach er too that
could run the risk if they go on and continued
down the path they're going at possibly being an in
season firing as too. Um. I mean I like that
there aren't any like really obvious ones right now, you know,
I I hesitate to say Ron what about Ron Rivera? Yeah? Yeah,
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I mean like that I hesitated a little bit with
that one, Brady, because they play tonight and if it
looks bad tonight after what happened with the quarterback um
with his comments, you know, on on the quarterback situation
and Carson Wentz and um, you know, they continue to
trend downward because obviously the momentum is going in the
wrong direction there, you know, you just certainly feels like
the type of situation that could unravel quickly. And he
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is in year three and generally team play coaches don't
get a fourth year. Um if there's three years of
downward trending, which is the way it looks like we're
going right now there, Here's the thing. The problem for
me right now is like does the owner want to
do that? After how many bullets Rivera's taken for him?
And like one of the main reasons they hired him
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was because of his like how he was able to
sort of stand up in the face of so many
things in Carolina, whether it was the Greg Hardy situation
or um, the situation with the owner there, like how
he could be the face of the franchise through a
lot of crappy stuff, right, and he's done that for them,
Like he's been a very reputable face of the franchise
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as they've gone through the nickname change and they've gone
through um, you know, the workplace conducts scandal um. So
like like this does feel like this type of situation
where the coachs would start to get to be on
the nice and you might be talking about mids he's
hiring firing. The problem right now with rivera is you
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know that the organization has been through so much the
last three years. He's stood in and taking taking the
bullets for everybody for three years, and do you want
to fire him despite everything that he's had to deal with,
just because the on field products isn't a little bit
of a dip right now. I think my thought was more,
(27:03):
you know, is it a distraction technique by Danny Snyder?
You know, is it's something where he feels like the
heat and the spotlight's turning back on him again, and
so then he makes a move that all of a
sudden everyone goes, oh, well, you know, look who you know.
Let's find out who the next head coaches of the
Washington Commanders. And also it seemed like the comment that
he made about Wentz was so out of character, Like
(27:25):
Wentz is like top five in yards, top five and
touchdown passes so far this year. I know he's throwing
some picks, but he's not their biggest issue. So it's
just surprised to see Ron River acting. And it was
a weird comment too when you consider like the Giants have,
Like we were talking about the division, right, Like, so
he was like, what's the difference between you and the
rest of the division because there's three games back to
(27:47):
the rest of the division. Well, okay, like, yeah, the
Eagles Jalen Hurts is playing really well understood, right, But
then you have the Giants who declined the option on
Hitmuel Jones on his rookie deal. Um, and like I
wouldn't say Daniel Jones came into the year in a
better spot that Carson Wentz did, right, and then the
Cowboys are playing with the backup quarterback in her corner
(28:08):
with brushed you know. So not only was it sort
of out of character for Iron, it also like really
wasn't correct, you know, like if you look at the
rest of the division, and so, yeah, it was definitely
a strange comment. And it does feel in a way
a little bit like like you remember, like the last
couple of weeks Rule has said like I don't want
to talk about my future anymore, and it's sort of
(28:29):
like that's when you know when a guy's in trouble.
It's like when they start to say things that are
sort of like whoa, that was interesting, you know. Um?
And with Rivera, this sort of felt like that sort
of common I would agree with that. Um My last
one for you, let's just stick with the commanders. I mean,
how bad can it get with this whole Dance Snyder thing?
(28:52):
I mean, just when it and listen, I think that
we're now starting to confirm what everybody all already knew
is that there's such a slippery slope when you get
into talking about the way, removing Dan Snyder is going
to be the scenario. How does this? I mean He's
(29:15):
going to take some people down with him. I mean,
is are they going to be able to get out
of the way? Is probably the better question? Or is Danny?
Are they going to be able to get him out
without any casualties outside of him? Yeah? I mean I
think it's a major part of it, LaVar. I mean,
I like, you know, what sort of dirt does he
have on the other on the thirty owners, the other
(29:36):
thirty owners obviously sluting green Day? Um? What kind of
dirt does he have in the league office? Um? Because
this isn't a guy who I think is going to
go down the way like Jerry. Jerry Richardson went down
right like Jerry Richardson for all the bad stuff he did.
You know, he recognized art It's my time to step aside,
you know, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead, and
(29:57):
I'm gonna sell the team and I'm gonna stay the
NFL having to go through the process of removing me.
I'm going to remove myself from the situation and walk away. Um.
In the end, Jerry Richardson had had a level of shame,
you know, and I think that was what caused him
to walk away. I don't think Dan Snyder has much shame,
(30:17):
to be honest with you, And so like I, I
like I. I think this has sort of become one
of those like I'm gonna show them and like they can't.
They can't take this team away from me, and um,
you know, it'll be interesting to see what happens. There's
an owners meeting next week. There's another one in Dallas
in December. This has come up over the last um
(30:40):
year or so um and in these owners meetings and
what to do about that franchise, Because if you really
think about it, guys, I mean with our Brady when
when we were kids, like these got like that. That
organization may not have been the Yankees, but they were
so far off. I mean, that was a proud and
I to think of one person who's done more damage
(31:03):
to an organization's brand in any sport that Dan Snyder
has done to that organization over the last and so
they have a lot of things to talk about, you know,
and I and I think, but I think a big
part of it, like you said, LaVar, is that guy
knows where the bodies are buried. And if this is
a guy who probably won't go quietly the way Jerry
(31:24):
Richardson went quietly, and I think that's a major factor.
I think the other one, of course, is like they
don't want to sit the president of taking teams away
from from there from their peers. Like I think, if
they can help it, they'd like to kind of continue
to turn the heat up on Snyder and get him
to sell the team again. I think the fact that
Snyder doesn't seem to have much shame probably gets him
(31:45):
the way of that get him on Twitter at Albert Brier,
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB always kind enough to
spend a few minutes with us here on a Thursday morning, Albert,
we appreciate a manly stude. Again. Next week and Jonahs,
you don't have a because the funk eyes are on a.
I we don't have a random number to throw at me, right,
yeah listen, I mean they just pop into my head.
I don't know where I come up with these that
(32:06):
laughs and all that last week was. Last week was
the nail biter when it came to that random number though,
you know, it's it's too bad that. I mean, Ryan
Day had had too much sportsmanship at the end of
that game, you know, so like it actually wound up
becoming pretty close. You know, hey Albert, Albert, between you
and I. Oh h, I know, damn right it is yeah,
(32:29):
New Nash Ever, we are come on, I say we
are right, LaVar, LaVar, your guys have Brady Wolverines this week? Yeah,
my wolverines. What are you talking about wolverines? Said? You
(32:50):
spent the first month of the season telling me how
don't anything? Were you your Wolverine? What are you talking about?
But we've just been following him for the past four weeks. Yeah,
you guys have I mean, do you do you guys
to have like an apartment in ann Arbor? Now you
guys are all over there. Well, I bought real state
back there in two thousand and five when we beat
their ass when they were Yeah, what happened? What happened?
(33:15):
What happened At the end of that year, bro, Oh,
that's true. We ran into an Ohio State team that
got a nice controversial call in Anthony Gonzalez fumble return
for a touchdown that that wasn't so yeah, look at that.
Well it is state so good. I hate it so much.
I hated for myself, I hate it for everyone else
(33:37):
that doesn't like Ohio State. I just I just hate
that Ohio State so good. Yeah, we got some, we
got some possible should get more tho. Ohiwo State made
me a number one rated football player coming out in
the draft, so I appreciate ohw State way more in Michigan.
So there it is. Uh, it is two pros and
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jail do you think Davanta Adams is going to get
for this, uh this incident he had with the photographer
whoever that guy was. It was walking across the tunnel
on Monday night. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm
just trying to figure out no jail time you think concussion.
We're concerned about the player of conduct policy and if
(36:07):
the NFL is going to step in and do anything,
which Look, here's the crazy thing for me. Ten yards
away from where that incident occurred. You have like legitimate
assault crimes that occur on the field, and you're paid
to do it. Sanctioned violence. It's like literally sanction violence
occurs in between those lines and then like ten yards away,
(36:31):
like you know, I just I'm not advocating for like
Davante Adams or any other player doing that. I think
he was wrong. He knows he was wrong. He apologized,
But there's also like this element of man like there's
a reason why there's protocols and people aren't supposed to
be in those areas around that time of the game. Yeah, listen,
(36:54):
it is what it is. Let's get through. It wasn't
that big. I mean, he shouldn't have did it. It
wasn't that big. I mean it's a big deal because
he shouldn't have did it, But it happened. Keep moving, Yeah,
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So we have got ourselves the Naked Jumping Jack's NFL
game coming up later on tonight, Week six. Right, these
(01:23):
are naked Jumping Jack's. You want to know why because
the betting line is flopping around, just flopping around everywhere
like naked jumping jacks. Yeah, and you get to pick them.
Last time I look, which is appropriate for it's been
it's been Commandos minus one it earlier in the week,
(01:44):
and then it ventured over to Bears territory minus one.
Now it's back, according to DraftKings, over to Commandos minus one.
It's been a pick them in certain places. Basically, what
they're saying is that Washington is a little bit better
football team. Neither one of these teams are great. So
let's just kind of, you know, swap and take turns
every single day and just kind of switch things up
a little bit. But we do have a Week six
(02:06):
matchup as Week six kicks off later on tonight. We
got the Commandos, We've got the Bears on Thursday Night Football.
The Bears are gonna debut there. All orange jerseys like
they're doing these orange helmets and orange they look terrible,
look like a pump channel. Yeah, so I thought, yeah,
I mean, come on, man, pumpkins still get enough credit
this time here, right, you go to a pumpkin patch.
(02:29):
Come on, Telly Man, go sit on a stack of
hay go to a pumpkin patch. All right. Although I
will say this that the conditions they're probably better than
what Soldier Field's going to roll out later on tonight.
But we do have LaVar's former team, uh, the Washington
Commandos with the backdrop of the Carson Wentz Ron Rivera
drama Ron Rivera returning to Chicago where you want a
(02:50):
Super Bowl as a player? Apologize, Yeah, I mean I apologize,
you know, yeah, Okay, but hold on, hold on, you're
coaching now and your co defense, and so if they
came up and asked you, after hey, coach, coach, coach Arrington,
Mr LaVar, what led to the loss tonight? You just
(03:11):
said our cornerbacks, Like I mean, I don't know you
could talk to him after the fact, but there's got
to be some degree of you said it, I mean,
and they had to follow up to get more out
of you. You basically just put. I mean, I just
he's he's been a player, he's been a head coach,
not once. I mean, he has been successful and done
(03:31):
it for a long time. This that caught me off guard,
Like that kind of caught me like he must be
feeling a lot of pressure from other places to be
that out of character for Ron Rivera or that frustrated.
You know. And I'm being sarcastic when I say he apologized.
I mean, listen, when when you're in a situation like
(03:55):
like this one that that played out with that quarterback
and Ron answers the way that he answered, you know
what that says to me he had already sent it
to somebody and he had already said it enough where
he felt comfortable enough to just let it riten, Like
he just let it fly like quarterback, Like like I've
(04:16):
already had this conversation a few times before i even
did this interview. So for for him to say hi,
sometimes you say things and then the media wants to
like that's I'm I'm a fan of Ron. I got
to know Ron after Pro Bowl. He was my coach
every single year, Like when he was in Philly, he
was the linebackers coach, he was my coach every single
(04:36):
year at the Pro Bowl, so we had some some
good moments to to talk and get to know each other.
So I've always been a fan of coach Coach rivera UM,
but let's let's be real here. Own that. Own it.
You said it, Stand on it. Don't say you you
you you misstepped or you know people are waiting, like
(04:57):
the media is a UM. It isn't always a good place.
It's not always a good representation of what things are
supposed to be or how they should be done. But
you can't always blame the media. It can't always be
your scapegoat. The media is has it out for me?
(05:19):
You said it? That's not either, like you can't. You
can't sit there and and and walk that one back. All.
I thought it was cool that coach rivera coach Ron
addressed it. You know my situation to the team in
the team meeting room. Okay, but everybody's sitting in that
team meeting room thinking the same thing that coach Ron said.
So how cool is that? Well, it's cool that y'all
(05:42):
acknowledge it in front of you, in front of his face.
I'd rather you acknowledge Listen, I've always been the one
that said, if you hate me, then you tell me
you hate me like I don't. I don't want you
hiding your hate for me or your disdain like I don't.
I don't want you to hide that if you don't
like something thing about me, or let me know. You know,
(06:03):
there was a time where that was okay. You know,
we lived in a world where it was okay to say,
you know what, I don't like you. I might not
even have a good reason not to like you, but
I don't like you. I'd rather know you don't like
something than to not know at all. So at least,
at least Carson Wentz knows he probably won't be in
Washington next next year. So if you were thinking about
(06:24):
buying a property versus are you still renting or did
you buy a property? And as like man, I spent
a lot of money on this piece of property, put
it up for sale, like you might as well just
put it up for sale now. So the idea of
it is, at least he knows where he stands. You
can walk it back, you can apologize. You out of there.
You know, I might be out of there too. You know,
it's pretty damning about the whole thing too, because the
(06:47):
question was what's the difference between you guys and every
other team in the division, because there are a full
three not the league, yeah, just the division, just the division.
There there are a full three plus games back of
everybody else. Washington is and and one of those one
those guys is a backup. Yeah, so you so like,
look look at the other quarterbacks in the division. One's
a backup, another guy was a second round pick, and
(07:09):
the other guy, Daniel Jones. They don't yeah, they don't
even want him. So like that's that's the most damning
part about all this, And it just there's something about
Carson wentz Man because Brady pointed out the numbers aren't
that bad there, like they're like top ten in passing,
like he's I mean if you exclude the picks, which again,
when you're down in games like this is the thing
(07:30):
I hate when people oh the pics, it's like, well, again,
what do you want him to do? Like, what do
you want to do? Want to throw the ball in
the dirt and just punt or like just up there
a fourth down? He didn't want to throw it and
give it a chance, like if you're down, there's gonna
be some risky throws that turn into picks at the
end of it. Some of it, some of it's like that,
like it just it happens. But I don't know. As
it relates to tonight's game. I look at it and
(07:53):
just say, I trust Washington and that offense to move
the ball at in that sort of scenario, like at
the end of the game, to have a too minute
drive to kick a field goal. I've seen them do
it this year. I trust them a lot more than
I do Chicago. Even though I thought Fields played pretty
well last week, there was probably one of his better
performances throwing um And that's not all on him, Like
(08:15):
I don't know that they're letting him throw that much,
and I don't know that that's his skill set either.
I think that's like they realize their offensive line is
not great. There's not necessarily the best personnel to to
open up throw too. So I think Luke gets he's
kind of protecting them. But I just trust the commanders,
like the commandos, more in this instance than I do.
If you're looking at how these two teams match up, listen,
(08:38):
is this is this a favorable matchup to continue the
growth of Amazon. Brian, Well, I mean, you got some
storied franchises, Uh, you know one of them. A couple
of times are stories from the past. Well, here's at
the end of the thing with like Justin Fields and
(08:59):
the Bears just call it. It is a full blown rebuild,
Like they're tearing this thing down to the studs outside
of the quarterback and they've got to rebuild it. The
offensive line is brutal, he's got the personnel in front
of he has no time to throw the ball. He
gets he gets sacked seemingly all the time. When he
drops back, he's sacred. I think it is higher than
anybody else in the league. And it's like this is
(09:22):
just the position they're in, and now they're being featured
in prime time. So if Justin Fields goes out there
and struggles, you know, the conversation is not gonna be yeah,
but look at the situation and totality, the conversation is
gonna be, oh yeah, he's not the guy we are.
We are. The book's already written on Justin Fields. He's
got less than a year as a starting quarterback in
(09:43):
the NFL, on a bad roster and a bad organization.
But no, it's all on Justin Fields. That's why I
feel bad for him in this spot, because if he
goes out there and puts up pedestrian numbers, they're gonna
do the comp game to every other quarterback in his
draft class, and they're going to compare him to Trevor
Lawrence and say we haven't seen signs of growth, which
you actually have. But he's got nothing really around him.
(10:04):
So people just look at the box score and then
just you know, write whatever report they want to write
on Justin Fields at this point in his career. He's
in a bad spot. It's too bad, you know. And
now I look Albert brier Us, you know, called it
out in Ohio State alum, and a lot of people
wanted to bust his balls and say he was just kissing.
Asked to uh to Ohio State Bucca, and he said,
he's in a really terrible spot. Like I just I
(10:26):
wonder if the Bears are bad enough and they're picking
at the top of the draft next year. This regime
has no loyalty to Justin Fields. They didn't draft him,
not the coach, not the front office. Do they look
at one of these quarterbacks that comes out if they're
picking at the top of the draft. I think, look,
I said this about the Jets, if they're in with
a bad record or they're in striking distance. This is
(10:47):
one of those draft class that I think you do
have to look at them and evaluate them because between
what could be and Anthony Richardson and Will Levice, those
guys kind of ooze with potential and talent. See j
Stroud is a much more polished, kind of finished product
coming from Ohio State now. And then Bryce Young, who's
my favorite. It's just, you know, I think the people
(11:08):
are gonna look at him and say small, and you
see some concerns you had about to it like that,
you look at Bryce Young and even though they play
completely different, I think again, Bryce is one of the
best prospects watching him on tape that I've seen in
you know, since I've started doing this and maybe the
past couple of decades. But people are gonna say small,
and he is smaller stature, six foot, but he's probably
(11:30):
one maybe two hundred pounds, Like can he take the
abuse of an NFL season? So there's all those questions,
but you have to do your due diligence. You have
to evaluate those guys. I just think Justin Fields is
a different, you know, prospect, like coming out looking out,
prolific he was in college, his athleticism, all those things,
(11:51):
Like to me, it's it's a different story and narrative.
And look, if they would look at another quarterback, dude,
trade him, let him go somewhere else, like him, have
a fresh start somewhere else, better situation. Yeah, he seems
like a good kid too, Like everybody meets him a lot.
He's a good kid, he's a good leader, he works hard.
It's like he does all the things right and he's
(12:13):
just in a really, really tough situation. We've all a
lot of us have been there. We've been there. You've
got you can you can speak, you can speak on things,
and you can feel it in your hearts. As Q
mentioned earlier in the show, you know you could feel
(12:35):
this one in your heart. I can't like it did
brings back all those memories and it happens to be
there playing the team that I dealt with that one.
You know, that's what it is. That's uh, that's funny.
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slander on pon your name on this show, it's not
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happening here. Sent by the way, Jonas was I jumped
in the middle of that. Like last segment was was
Brandy talking about your personal workouts there pushing six seven
under pound. Well, yeah, I mean that's a warm up,
you know, I mean, you know how we do it.
That's what caffres. I'll tell you. I'll tell you what
if I turned the I turned the car off, so
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if the tahouse starts deeping, Now we really got from
well you know, listen, there's there's a worse here. Man
could be an evil spirit for all we know. Yeah, yeah,
not like the show. Apparently. Well, um Albert, maybe the
ghost doesn't like you, Albert. Geez, guys up when I'm
(15:09):
on this show. Hey, hey, you too. You guys have
a game here in a couple of weeks. Get warmed up.
Get warmed up, um Albert, speaking of playing nice, are
we going to see any change with this roughing the
passer mumbo jumbo that's gone on. It's the latest drama
in the NFL. What what do you expect to happen,
(15:29):
if anything, when it comes to the drama surrounding some
of these bad calls. Well, I think we all know
the NFL as rabbit ears when it comes to these
sorts of things, and I I think a part of
it is an over correction from the toa thing. And
it wouldn't surprise me, you know, if you know the
officials were told not to let anything go when it
comes to hits on quarterbacks, and you know, we saw
(15:51):
the way they handled head injuries that first weekend, um
after the tour thing where you know, there were fifteen
games and there was only one player was evaluated for
head injury who went back into the game. I think
I mentioned that to you guys last week. That's justin
Reeves in the Chiefs. So um, you know, I think
part of it is a reaction to that, you know.
And I think the other issue is I don't think
(16:13):
the officials know what to call, you know, in these situations.
And I and you know, I think, you know, this
is just my feeling on it. The technology exists where
you can correct this stuff in real time, and um,
you know, I I can think back to a situation.
You guys remember the hit Mason Rudolph took from Earl
Thomas a few years back, and that feels rapist game, right,
(16:35):
Um okay, so um you have to follow me here,
but it's a story worth telling in this situation, they
you know, like so that that the hit happens. And
if you guys, if you guys have, if you had
the broadcast, you go back and look at it. You
can see when the when CBS went to break, there
there was no flag on the ground. There were trainers
out in the field looking at Mason Rudolph. They come
(16:56):
back from break and there is a flag on the ground. Well,
what happened during the commercial break, which nobody saw, was
the ref suddenly dropped the flag. And so John Harbaugh
went over to the officials and said, well, what happened,
you know, like, how come? How are you dropping a
flag two minutes after the play. And the official said
to John Harbaugh, well, you know, they called down from
(17:19):
the booth and they said it was a high hit.
And John's response was, oh, you mean like a sky judge,
you know, because he had been an advocate for the
Sky Judge. The reason I'm telling that story of year
is because in that situation, the officials used the technology
that was available of them, right. And I just don't
know why in a situation like we had Monday night
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um in the Chiefs the Chiefs Raider's Game, a situation
we had on Sunday in the Falcon Bucks game, why
someone in New York couldn't buzz down in New York,
buzzed down into the field and stay take up the flag.
And I think what people at the League office would
tell you is, well, you know, that could create a
bad situation on the field where you know, we have
officials picking up flags. Now you you have you know,
(18:03):
like the crowd going nuts and you have the coaches upset,
and I would just answer to that, well, you know,
if the ref made a mistake, then he needs to
be accountable for it. And if he gets food out
of the building or the coach gets in his face,
well you know, then then good. You know what I mean? Like,
because the idea here should be to get the call right.
And um, you know, in the in the in the
(18:24):
Chiefs game, we're obviously caught about points on the board
and the falconst Busky because talking about the outcome of
the game. So I just wish, and I've always felt
this way, when the technology is available to you to
make these decisions in real time, and I'm not even
talking about reviewing it, but when the technology is available
to make these decisions in real time, use that technology
to get the call right. It's crazy, Albert. It's almost
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like at another level of football they do something similar
to this. It's it's a little weird, and it's like,
maybe maybe we could just implement what college football has
already done. I mean, they have this in particular and
players safety call is targeting is their catchphrase there. But
that's essentially what we're talking about is a player's safety issue,
and how they're trying to go about governing all of this.
(19:08):
Let me ask this, why does common sense not prevail
in this case? Like why is it so hard for
the NFL to look at it and go all right, Like,
clearly this rule we didn't take into account a play
like what we would see with Chris Jones and Derek Carr.
We we've got to maybe write something additionally to the rule,
or we've got to look at that and say, okay,
(19:29):
if the defender then strip sack, you know, strip sacks
the quarterback, he's no longer a passer anymore, even though
he's in the pocket, doesn't matter. And so at this point,
like we we have to start looking out for the
integrity of the game and not just make rules to
try to protect quarterbacks, which they already do, probably more
so than ever before in the history of this game. Brady,
(19:50):
my feeling is you just in the NFL, you have
too many hands in the pot, you know. So you
have lawyers telling you that you've got to be careful
about anything involving concussions. You've got the network telling you
that they want the games to be moving along, and
they want the games done in three hours and fift
eight minutes. You've got the referees Union not wanting to
be embarrassed on the field. Um, you've just got so
(20:12):
many hands in the pot in these things. And I
think that's, honestly, how these things get bastardized, where the
league just decides in a lot a lot of times
in these situations, let's just do as little as possible
because that's going to get us in the least trouble,
you know, And you know, I wish it wasn't that way,
because I do think that there are common sense solutions
(20:32):
to a lot of these things. And like you said
in college, like why not have it automatically? Why not
have like the booze automatically be a part of the
decision making process. And this is the whole thing with
the Sky Judge. I mean, you had no lesson authority,
You had no lesson authority than Andy Reid we doing
the charge in the Sky Judge, and they still couldn't
get it done. And why Well, because the official on
(20:53):
the field is the guy in charge, Well, why does
it have to be that way? If he's wrong, wouldn't
he want to have somebody up stairs is a second
set of eyes for him. So much of it makes
no sense to me. And I again, like the technology
is in place, and you know what, like maybe this
isn't the way it was thirty years ago, but you
know what else, that technology didn't exist thirty years ago.
(21:15):
They couldn't call it to the booths, they couldn't call
in New York, they couldn't do those things. The technology
wasn't there for them to do those sorts of things
back then. It's there for you now. I just I'm
with you. I don't understand why they don't use it.
Do you think that these penalties being called the way
they're being called is it's kind of a the result
(21:37):
of what happened to tah and and they're talking about
toa is set to clear concussion protocols. But let's be
clear here, Ab, if he comes back and he gets
what would be considered I mean some would say second,
but most that paid attention would say his third concussion
in so many weeks of playing football? Uh, I mean,
(22:01):
how bad of a look is this? And and is
this We know that the NFL is you know, reactive
towards anything that could be um you know, bad for
the brand Yeah, I think it would bothers. There's no
question that. Um, that's a huge part of whither being
(22:23):
slower and more deliberate than to uh that I think
they've been with almost any player I can remember. You know. Um,
it's rare that like a team would put a player
out on the practice field on Wednesday, which you know
that the Dolphins did yesterday, and immediately say he's not
playing this week. You know, that's really rare. And I
(22:43):
think they're trying to be transparent about it. I think
they're trying to be deliberate about it, um, you know,
And I do think that there's some pushing pull there
between you on one side wanting to be careful understanding
the liability of putting a player out there, understanding the
pr part of it to the Dolphins, for the league,
you know, and also you know the flip side, which
(23:04):
is like, the guy's got a career that he's got
to worry about, you know, and um, at some point, um,
the time's gonna come for him to go back on
the field, And how do you thread that needle properly
where it's appropriate to put him back out there and
let him do what he wants to do, which you know, personally,
I'm sure what Tool wants to do is go back
(23:25):
out there and play football. So I think that's sort
of where they are on that, and i'd agree with
you too that, Like I do think that they've been reactionary,
which is the way the NFL always is. You know,
when you have a league office that is full of
pr guys and lawyers, which is what the NFL league
office is, You're not gonna be proactive. You're gonna be reactive.
(23:46):
And they have always operated this way where when something happens,
they will go very strongly, um you know, in reacting
to it, even if they did nothing to get ahead
of it in the first place. And so um, you know,
in this case, I think it's going to be in
this case, I think, you know, at least for the
next few weeks, we're probably going to see hits on
(24:07):
quarterbacks tightly called. We're probably going to see teams being
very very careful as far as how they evaluate players, um,
you know, for head injuries. I think the real impact
of it isn't felt until we're you know, four or
six eight weeks out from the to a situation where
people are talking about it anymore. That's when I think
we'll know what the real impact of the situation was
(24:29):
Albert Briers joining us here on Fox Sports Radio, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him on
Twitter at Albert Brier. So we had expected that this
was a possibility that Matt Rule is going to be
fired by Carolina. He does earlier this week after that
bad looking game and performance against the Niners over the weekend.
Is there, Like, I'm not saying that this would happen
(24:50):
in season, but who is a coach er too that
could run the risk if they go on and continued
down the path they're going at possibly being an in
season firing as too. Um. I mean I like that
there aren't any like really obvious ones right now, you know,
I I hesitate to say Ron what about Ron Rivera? Yeah? Yeah,
(25:14):
I mean like that I hesitated a little bit with
that one, Brady, because they play tonight and if it
looks bad tonight after what happened with the quarterback um
with his comments, you know, on on the quarterback situation
and Carson Wentz and um, you know, they continue to
trend downward because obviously the momentum is going in the
wrong direction there, you know, you just certainly feels like
the type of situation that could unravel quickly. And he
(25:37):
is in year three and generally team play coaches don't
get a fourth year. Um if there's three years of
downward trending, which is the way it looks like we're
going right now there, Here's the thing. The problem for
me right now is like does the owner want to
do that? After how many bullets Rivera's taken for him?
And like one of the main reasons they hired him
(26:00):
was because of his like how he was able to
sort of stand up in the face of so many
things in Carolina, whether it was the Greg Hardy situation
or um, the situation with the owner there, like how
he could be the face of the franchise through a
lot of crappy stuff, right, and he's done that for them,
Like he's been a very reputable face of the franchise
(26:21):
as they've gone through the nickname change and they've gone
through um, you know, the workplace conducts scandal um. So
like like this does feel like this type of situation
where the coachs would start to get to be on
the nice and you might be talking about mids he's
hiring firing. The problem right now with rivera is you
(26:42):
know that the organization has been through so much the
last three years. He's stood in and taking taking the
bullets for everybody for three years, and do you want
to fire him despite everything that he's had to deal with,
just because the on field products isn't a little bit
of a dip right now. I think my thought was more,
(27:03):
you know, is it a distraction technique by Danny Snyder?
You know, is it's something where he feels like the
heat and the spotlight's turning back on him again, and
so then he makes a move that all of a
sudden everyone goes, oh, well, you know, look who you know.
Let's find out who the next head coaches of the
Washington Commanders. And also it seemed like the comment that
he made about Wentz was so out of character, Like
(27:25):
Wentz is like top five in yards, top five and
touchdown passes so far this year. I know he's throwing
some picks, but he's not their biggest issue. So it's
just surprised to see Ron River acting. And it was
a weird comment too when you consider like the Giants have,
Like we were talking about the division, right, Like, so
he was like, what's the difference between you and the
rest of the division because there's three games back to
(27:47):
the rest of the division. Well, okay, like, yeah, the
Eagles Jalen Hurts is playing really well understood, right, But
then you have the Giants who declined the option on
Hitmuel Jones on his rookie deal. Um, and like I
wouldn't say Daniel Jones came into the year in a
better spot that Carson Wentz did, right, and then the
Cowboys are playing with the backup quarterback in her corner
(28:08):
with brushed you know. So not only was it sort
of out of character for Iron, it also like really
wasn't correct, you know, like if you look at the
rest of the division, and so, yeah, it was definitely
a strange comment. And it does feel in a way
a little bit like like you remember, like the last
couple of weeks Rule has said like I don't want
to talk about my future anymore, and it's sort of
(28:29):
like that's when you know when a guy's in trouble.
It's like when they start to say things that are
sort of like whoa, that was interesting, you know. Um?
And with Rivera, this sort of felt like that sort
of common I would agree with that. Um My last
one for you, let's just stick with the commanders. I mean,
how bad can it get with this whole Dance Snyder thing?
(28:52):
I mean, just when it and listen, I think that
we're now starting to confirm what everybody all already knew
is that there's such a slippery slope when you get
into talking about the way, removing Dan Snyder is going
to be the scenario. How does this? I mean He's
(29:15):
going to take some people down with him. I mean,
is are they going to be able to get out
of the way? Is probably the better question? Or is Danny?
Are they going to be able to get him out
without any casualties outside of him? Yeah? I mean I
think it's a major part of it, LaVar. I mean,
I like, you know, what sort of dirt does he
have on the other on the thirty owners, the other
(29:36):
thirty owners obviously sluting green Day? Um? What kind of
dirt does he have in the league office? Um? Because
this isn't a guy who I think is going to
go down the way like Jerry. Jerry Richardson went down
right like Jerry Richardson for all the bad stuff he did.
You know, he recognized art It's my time to step aside,
you know, and I'm gonna I'm gonna go ahead, and
(29:57):
I'm gonna sell the team and I'm gonna stay the
NFL having to go through the process of removing me.
I'm going to remove myself from the situation and walk away. Um.
In the end, Jerry Richardson had had a level of shame,
you know, and I think that was what caused him
to walk away. I don't think Dan Snyder has much shame,
(30:17):
to be honest with you, And so like I, I
like I. I think this has sort of become one
of those like I'm gonna show them and like they can't.
They can't take this team away from me, and um,
you know, it'll be interesting to see what happens. There's
an owners meeting next week. There's another one in Dallas
in December. This has come up over the last um
(30:40):
year or so um and in these owners meetings and
what to do about that franchise, Because if you really
think about it, guys, I mean with our Brady when
when we were kids, like these got like that. That
organization may not have been the Yankees, but they were
so far off. I mean, that was a proud and
I to think of one person who's done more damage
(31:03):
to an organization's brand in any sport that Dan Snyder
has done to that organization over the last and so
they have a lot of things to talk about, you know,
and I and I think, but I think a big
part of it, like you said, LaVar, is that guy
knows where the bodies are buried. And if this is
a guy who probably won't go quietly the way Jerry
(31:24):
Richardson went quietly, and I think that's a major factor.
I think the other one, of course, is like they
don't want to sit the president of taking teams away
from from there from their peers. Like I think, if
they can help it, they'd like to kind of continue
to turn the heat up on Snyder and get him
to sell the team again. I think the fact that
Snyder doesn't seem to have much shame probably gets him
(31:45):
the way of that get him on Twitter at Albert Brier,
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB always kind enough to
spend a few minutes with us here on a Thursday morning, Albert,
we appreciate a manly stude. Again. Next week and Jonahs,
you don't have a because the funk eyes are on a.
I we don't have a random number to throw at me, right,
yeah listen, I mean they just pop into my head.
I don't know where I come up with these that
(32:06):
laughs and all that last week was. Last week was
the nail biter when it came to that random number though,
you know, it's it's too bad that. I mean, Ryan
Day had had too much sportsmanship at the end of
that game, you know, so like it actually wound up
becoming pretty close. You know, hey Albert, Albert, between you
and I. Oh h, I know, damn right it is yeah,
(32:29):
New Nash Ever, we are come on, I say we
are right, LaVar, LaVar, your guys have Brady Wolverines this week? Yeah,
my wolverines. What are you talking about wolverines? Said? You
(32:50):
spent the first month of the season telling me how
don't anything? Were you your Wolverine? What are you talking about?
But we've just been following him for the past four weeks. Yeah,
you guys have I mean, do you do you guys
to have like an apartment in ann Arbor? Now you
guys are all over there. Well, I bought real state
back there in two thousand and five when we beat
their ass when they were Yeah, what happened? What happened?
(33:15):
What happened At the end of that year, bro, Oh,
that's true. We ran into an Ohio State team that
got a nice controversial call in Anthony Gonzalez fumble return
for a touchdown that that wasn't so yeah, look at that.
Well it is state so good. I hate it so much.
I hated for myself, I hate it for everyone else
(33:37):
that doesn't like Ohio State. I just I just hate
that Ohio State so good. Yeah, we got some, we
got some possible should get more tho. Ohiwo State made
me a number one rated football player coming out in
the draft, so I appreciate ohw State way more in Michigan.
So there it is. Uh, it is two pros and
(33:58):
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(35:45):
jail do you think Davanta Adams is going to get
for this, uh this incident he had with the photographer
whoever that guy was. It was walking across the tunnel
on Monday night. Yeah, I don't know. I mean, I'm
just trying to figure out no jail time you think concussion.
We're concerned about the player of conduct policy and if
(36:07):
the NFL is going to step in and do anything,
which Look, here's the crazy thing for me. Ten yards
away from where that incident occurred. You have like legitimate
assault crimes that occur on the field, and you're paid
to do it. Sanctioned violence. It's like literally sanction violence
occurs in between those lines and then like ten yards away,
(36:31):
like you know, I just I'm not advocating for like
Davante Adams or any other player doing that. I think
he was wrong. He knows he was wrong. He apologized,
But there's also like this element of man like there's
a reason why there's protocols and people aren't supposed to
be in those areas around that time of the game. Yeah, listen,
(36:54):
it is what it is. Let's get through. It wasn't
that big. I mean, he shouldn't have did it. It
wasn't that big. I mean it's a big deal because
he shouldn't have did it, But it happened. Keep moving, Yeah,
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