October 21, 2022 • 37 mins
The guys relive one of the best sports rants of all time by former Cubs Manager Lee Elia. If his marriage is really done, Tom Brady will come back for another season and QB controversy at Penn State.
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mentioned we're gonna get into us a little bit of
bad news. There's somebody who is all of a sudden
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popped up in the world of sports and sports coverage
over the past several months. You listening to this right now,
you know exactly what we're talking about. Well, listen, you'll
you'll you'll see Michael Douglas got you thrown off? Wow,
Well there's uh, we just got over a scene that
uh cleared out the studio. But uh, but we are
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going to get to that. So, if you've been paying
close enough attention to the NFL, you're very familiar with
the name that we are going to bring up here
in just a couple of moments from now. But if
you were with us, uh, towards the end of last hour,
we were talking about the anniversary of one of Jim
Mora's great rants did Lee Pooh, and it took place yesterday,
and so we were playing it back and reliving it.
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And one of the great rants that every time I
hear it gets better and better. And it's now I
don't even think it's close. It's the King, it's the Goat.
It's all four heads on the Mount rushmore. Lee Elia,
the former Cubs manager who laid in to the fans
that showed up two Cubs games. This was back before
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they had lights. It was all day games. So take
it away. This was Lee Eli, a former Cubs manager
with a torch to the city of Chicago. We got
all these so called ficking fans that come out their cup,
fans that are supposed to be behind it, ripping everything
thing you do. I'll tell you one s thing. I
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hope we get can hyder and just to stuff it
up in three thousand people to show up every day
because if they're the real Chicago fans, they can kiss
my ass right downtown and print it. They're really really
behind you around here, Mike, ask nobody's going there because
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you guys are written good. But am I supposed to
do go out there and let my players get destroyed
every day and be quiet about it. For the Nickeldon
people that show up, the motherckers don't even work. That's
why they're out of the game. They're gonna go out
and get a job and find out what it's like
to go out there and a living world's working. The
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other fifth team come out here, you can playground for
the players, got guys, and that's the cuch. Wow, you
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said resigned the next day. How much long did that
fella last? I forget it was pretty quick after he
was out. I don't know if it was the next day,
but it was pretty soon afterwards. But yeah, that one
going back, eighty five percent of the world's working. The
other fifteen come out here. Oh man, talk bad about them,
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my f and as. But yeah, it was pointed out.
The guy who actually got that sound was Less Gropstein.
He was a Chicago overnight radio host. He as a
reporter back then, and he actually just happened to be
rolling as Lee Elia just went off and cut that
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promo and Less Gropstein actually passed away not long ago,
so you know, obviously, rest in peace Less Gropstein the
Grobe or one of the great Chicago radio legends. But bad,
oh bad, that gets better every time I hear it.
You you imagine like one of your coaches, like could
you see like Joe Paw or one of your coaches
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in the NFL, which coach in the NFL would have
been most likely to lay into the fans without even hesitated.
Ray Roads and his trash talk when you can understand
it best ever, you gotta be able to understand him though,
you know what I mean, like because he gets the
roll in it give and they coming down in animal
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and got tell you what I'm like, I don't understand
one thing you said, coach, but I know you mean
that this that you're upset like he used to He
used to say that he had just once. I can't
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say it for radio, but it was. I mean, he
definitely was a fight fight trash talk coach. Greg Williams
is up there to Greg Williams would be good at
it too, Oh man, he is. He is a trash
talker too. True story when Greg Williams was an assistant
with the Rams when they moved out here to l A.
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Greg Williams came in studio with his wife and they
were in you know, the Rams were in thousand oaks.
They were like running a place. They just gotten here.
So Greg Williams came in studio on a weekend show
and was dropping F palm after F bomb without a
care in the world radio. I can't do that. That's
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how he said that. I don't know, I don't know
what I want. That's how it comes out. That's how
it rolls up. It sounds like a banjo. Yeah yeah,
so you said, well, he sounds like a banjo when
he goes on his rants without that M effort. And
it's never effort. It's always m effort with ye. So Ray,
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by the way, the way you were making Ray Road sound,
it sounded like Bernie mac Off The Players Club. They're
gonna be I'm telling you Ray Road trash talk as
a coach classic classic because it's an old, old grown man,
grown ass man like. But he's where is he from?
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It's gotta be Texas. Yeah, it's gotta be Texas, man,
because the way he delivered was Texas. There you go.
It had to be Texas because I mean his I
mean his lingo. You just I couldn't understand him. I
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just couldn't. I couldn't understand him. Man, I was like,
you know, I understand I heard some of it, like
I heard, I heard every third or fourth word, but
you just I just couldn't. And I'm not just I'm
not saying that all Texas As you can I can't
understand Texas. I'm just saying, if you know, you know,
there's a few like I had a few teammates that
was was from Texas, and I just like I just
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couldn't understand him. Like it's and I'm not trying, like
it's probably funny to listen to it, but in the moment,
you'd be sitting there like if you saying that, just
nodding your head every once in a while, every once
in a while because because and here's the thing, the
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ones that you can't understand they love to talk. They
love to talk, so I can't understand you. But you're
talking for like three or four or five minutes at
a time. So it's like on days that it's good,
it's like yeah, man, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah man.
You don't have no feedback, you don't say nothing, you
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can't respond because you don't know what you're responding to,
so you just listen yep. Yeah, man, Yeah, but on
days that, on days that you just don't have the toddlers,
you'd be like, bro, what that for you saying? But
like what what are you saying? Like like, ain't like
regular English, my guy, Like I can't I can't even understand.
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I don't understand. But it be so fast. It's who little,
it's so fast. The one I struggle with this Cajun
like I can't like that's the one. But but I'm
telling you the dudes that I'm telling you that be
be doing that. That's from Texas. It's almost like its
own style of Cajun. It's it's its own style. Yeah,
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it's it's hard, man, it was hard. But Ray Rhodes,
for every three or four words that that that you
could understand, you knew it was. It was real. He
was bringing some real talk to you. Well like this
is and uh, we've talked about this, we mentioned it before,
Bruce Arians, Like that's why you want to know why
a new Bruce Arians wouldn't work out as a broadcaster
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with CBS. He can't stop cursing, like Bidwell, the owner
of the of the Cardinals said in the Bruce Arians, Uh,
pro football, what is it a Pro Football Life of
Football Life on NFL Network. He said that when they
sat down to meet for the first time, he was
kind of taken back because Bruce Arians is basically meeting
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with this guy to try and get hired for a job,
and Bruce Arians is dropping f bombs at dinner like never,
like not even like didn't even think twice about it.
And I remember working with Artrell Hawkins was telling me.
He said that he's all, hey, He's all, he's all
gonna give you Ba's number, text him, see if you'll
come on when Artrol was working here years ago, and
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I said, okay, well he respond he goes, yeah, it's
b A. I was like, okay, I don't know. Bruce
Arians would respawn right away via text that he would
come on, but we had to stop bringing him on
live because he kept he couldn't stop. Not like I
don't even think he realized it, He just he couldn't stop.
So we had to start taping him because we kept
having to dump it and it would throw the whole
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clock off at the network, and so all the local
affiliates would be like, hey, man, like we're all our
timing is off because Bruce Arians just couldn't help himself.
So yeah, it's uh, you know, it's by the way,
a little curse word from time to time goes a
long way, right. Yeah. Gone of the days that you
can drop an F bomb and somebody just say, you
know what, he needed to get it out? Right? Ray
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Rose probably couldn't pull that today. Lee Elia probably couldn't
pull that ran today. It's too bad. It's a bummer,
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We're going to talk about somebody in the world of sports,
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somebody who has popped up over the last several months.
We've got to pay off the teams we've been promoting
this here, but they have gotten some bad news, some
really bad news from someone close to them yesterday in
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A rain storms take me away from the No. I've
got to tell you something, this phenomenon, I had to
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put it in a song and it goes live. WHOA
does that make you feel good? Do you make you
want to drink? This song? This is my wedding song. Yeah, celebration.
It's not really my wedding song. It's just part of
the wedding wedding video that was made. Yeah. Yeah, my
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wife and we didn't have a wedding song. Yeah, because, uh,
it was the middle of COVID. So we were just
I mean, we're all we're all currently in the same positions.
You know. We were two wedding song, no wedding song.
I mean, you know we're married. Yeah, we were two Frenches.
We were too worried about getting arrested if we lowered
our mask to have a drink. So, yeah, we had
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we had other issues going on. Didn't stop lead stop
lead a lap though, who got mangled and like walked
out with prizes too. Yeah. He was there with you know,
a couple other members of the Fox Sports Radio family
and Lee you guys got total did you not? Did
you not get hammeredly? Oh? Yeah? After party two. That's
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the one thing about weddings, though it's great for everybody else,
but if you're the bride and groom, because you're like
meeting and talking to so many people and thanking so
many people, there's not a lot of opportunities to just
sit back and enjoy everything. And uh and and Lee
took full advantage. God, I got after it a little bit.
So good for you. Will you do the same thing
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when you get married? Oh? God, how will that work out?
How will that work out? Well? Not? Well, yeah, that's
a listen that we'll be lucky if there's booze at
that wedding based on some information, So all right, I
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need on that one. All right. It is two pros
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We do have ourselves another quarterback controversy in the world
of football. This is one, well, it's one that's not
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getting a lot of notoriety, but it's real and we
could see a change happen within the next couple of weeks.
So we will get into that for you here on
Fox Sports Radio. So Tom Brady, obviously he apologized for
his comments comparing the NFL to to deployment. I'm sure
you're happy about that, Yeah, he was. So he got
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a lot of pushed back. A lot of people came
after Tom Brady for that. But he also decided this
was the time, after the shouting match and all that,
to talk about his plans retirement, what's going to happen
moving forward. Here was TB twelve yesterday, couple of national
talking heads speculating that, you know, Tom has not even
going to finish out this season. And I've tried to,
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like say, that's got to be crazy to me. We're
here all the time, you really why I'm here. I'm
here to announce finally, you guys pushed me to the rink,
and uh no, I think, you know, I think a
lot of it for me is just us going out
there to you know, I love the sport, and I
love the teammates, and and uh I want to go
do a great job for this team like I always have,
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so no retirement in my future. Yeah, that's a bummer.
That means, uh, you know, just so I was probably
not happy about that. Right, that's gonna go ahead and
close up shop on that. If if he is having
the issues he's having, and reportedly it's because of him playing,
if that relationship is over, he's coming back next year. Like,
I would be shocked if he just decides to walk
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away after this year. Now, whether it's with Tampa, who
the hell knows. I think it's probably gonna be the
forty Niners. But I would be shocked if this is
Brady's last year in the NFL. Where do you Where
do you fall on that? I just think anything is
possible with him and and and at this point I
think anything is possible leans more towards him proving that
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he can play another season, and then when he plays
that next season, it's proven that he can play another season.
Like he's literally like I saw that that gift going
jift going around that had the old ass man in
the in the flag football game running for it for
the touchdown. He's literally going to push for as long
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as he can to show that the TV twelve method
is indeed a real thing. Like, imagine he's fifty years old,
and I mean he's getting there. He's close. You know,
imagine being fifteen years or fifty years old and still
starting in the National Football League. There's there's a couple
of things there. One talent must not be what we
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think it is. Or two, um, the game has gotten
so soft and they have slowed it so slowed it
up so much on quarterbacks that you could actually play
until you're afty years old because of the rules that
are in play to not touch the quarterback. Think about that.
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All he has to do is keep his arms strong,
keep his legs and his core strong to be able
to deliver to throws. But that's, you know, to me,
as crazy as it might sound, it's actually a tap
bit feasible to think that it could happen well. And
and also, when's the last time you saw Brady outside
of a quarterback sneak like, do anything under center? Doesn't
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it seem like he's always in shotgun always and he
gets rid of it. Yeah, always in shotgun gets rid
of it fast. And and that's why guys like Edelman
and a Mendola, that's why his running backs are always
featured in the past game because like that's that's always
a primary weapon for him, like Leonard Fournett, and he
got better towards his final year in Jacksonville. But Leonard
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four and one of the knocks on him was, well,
he's just a running back. He's not a great pass catcher. Dude,
He's like one of their their top receivers. Like that's
one of the go twos for Brady out of the backfield,
I think. But it's weird though I don't. I look
at it and I go, it is a Brady thing
because I watched Rogers and I'm like, man, I think
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Tom Brady is gonna end up playing longer than Rogers does,
Meaning from this point moving forward, I think it's more
likely Rogers retires first than Tom Brady. I really do.
Like Roger seems like I should you know what I mean,
it should like it's it's crazy, But I just I
don't see Brady packing it up after this year. I mean,
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if they were to win a Super Bowl, I could
see him, you know, riding off into the sunset and
all that, or if it just got to the point
to where physically he was totally diminished. But I don't
look at this year and say his skills have diminished.
It's just they've been banged up. He's taken a little
bit of a beating. Uh, they're not flowing on offense,
and he's been trying to figure out some sort of
a rhythm with his offensive line and all that. And
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I don't think they're as good of a team as
they were last year. But I don't think it's as
much Brady. I think it's I think it's a real
possibility he comes back, not that he finishes out this
year obviously and then comes back next year. I think
it's happening fetched at all, whether he was married happily,
whether like leave his personal business and personal life out
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of it, all things giving all things aside, he was
probably coming back next year. I mean, that's he He
loves the game. He loves playing the game, and he
doesn't look like like even though they're not playing as
well as they have in years past, him being at
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in Tampa, it's not like they're playing horribly bad. Nobody's
counting them out on being a team that can end
up on top of the NFC at seasons end. He
heard you say yesterday, these these types of starts. Tom
Brady had quite a bit in New England. They started
off a little shaky, little rusty or lost a couple
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of games there early on, then they turned it up
later on in the season. So Brady doesn't look like
he's slowing down, and I'm not looking at them like,
oh the you know, they're the concerns and and there,
you know, lack of wins is based upon him slowing down.
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I mean, if you recall when he first got to
Tampa Bay, the one game where they was like, oh,
he didn't even know what down it was. He's getting
so old, he's he's he's getting you know, like you know,
he doesn't even know where he's at. Like that. All
he did was go win a Super Bowl. I mean,
shut up, right. So so in the end, like with Brady,
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I just I think anything is possible with Tom and
the best thing he can do right now for himself
and for his team is really just plays play as
hard out and be as president as he possibly can
be under any of his given circumstance. So when you
got drafted the NFL, let's say draft day, if somebody
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were to ask you how many years, do you want
to play in the league? What would your event? What
would your answer have been? Um? Probably ten? Okay, so
ten years great and great career. And you had a
great career anyways, but ten ten years, all right, So
that means you would have retired three and you would
have retired in what two thousand ten? Yeah? Okay. Tom
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Brady was in the same draft class as you, and
he's still playing twelve years later. It's insane. Yeah, I mean,
like I said, waiting for him perspective, I'm sitting here,
I got my elbow wrapped up. My elbow is all sore,
like out of nowhere, like like it's either arthritis or
or the gout. I don't. I have no idea, but
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my elbow, that bro my elbow is sore for no reason.
I'll wake up at any given point during the course
of my life and I'll have pain, like I'll have
joint pain, you know what I mean. Like at at
at forty four, forty four years I think I'm a
forty four Yeah, I think, so forty four years old.
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And and how old is Tom Brady? Forty five? Yeah,
I'm forty four. I'll be forty five this year. God
torn it um. Getting old isn't fun and and and
and and for what it's worth, it's painful at times.
So to to think that that dude is still doing
what he's doing and and listen, you could say, well,
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it's by position. Of course, you played a much more
you know, grueling and grimier position than than a quarterbacks position.
And you will be right. You know, our bodies took,
you know, our bodies take more of a beating than
what a quarterback generally does. But but still to get
up and maintain that regiment for all these years, that
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is a grind. That is a a straight up grind
to do what he has done for as long as
he has. And it's also like one are the other
thing they talked about this in fighting, everyone looks at
like the fights you have, Like like boxers, they look at, well,
how many how many fights has he had, and they're
counting the fights that they're having, you know, in the
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ring against opponents that count on their record, Like you're
having fights every day in camp, like you're you're like
whether it's a fight physically just to get through a
workout or to go run hills or to go so
it's it's not even just the wear and tear that
you go through in the game or in the fight.
It's what's leading up to you even putting yourself in
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a position to to have wear and tear in those moments.
And so when you just factor in all the years,
whether whether it was college or his training off field,
you know, in the off season, and the fact that
he's still here and and we're talking about is he
going to come back at forty six, like, and he
came out and he entered the league in the year
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two thousand. I just that's why when I when I
hear people say like, oh god, you know, we're tired
of Brady, move on, tired of hearing about the conversation.
You're never going to see this again. Hey, hey, bro,
my oldest son was born in twenty or two thousand,
all right, he's twenty two years old and has the
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possibility of going pro in the next three years, and
Brady might still be there, and Brady might still be insane.
That's why I don't understand why people are so negative
about him. Liked like baseball stuff. You're never gonna see
it again. You're never gonna see this again. It's never
gonna happen. So so yeah, it's unfortunately for just a
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theory and in theory, if you get a really really
good pocket passing quarterback, they may play for a really
really long time because the rules just they're in favor
of you having longevity with what it is that you're doing.
You just have to stay efficient and you have to
stay successful and relevant enough where you don't lose your job. See,
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that's that's the key. Many of us have wanted to
play for a long time, and and the idea of
it is, you know, they have to drag you out
of the league before you you walk away from the game.
It's all about your production, you know. So the hardest
thing will be can you stay productive for it for
that long. He's not only played for a long time.
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There's been guys that have played a long time. He's
playing a long time and he's productive, like, he's still relevant,
he's he's a factor. And that's you know, give it
up to his preparation and the way he takes care
of himself and and and everything that goes into the
method of of how he's done this. But let me
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tell you that's not by accident. He didn't luck out
and do this. So for anybody who may have thought
he got lucky or you know, this was just you know,
I don't know random now that dude puts and like
literally it's his life. Well, you played against him in college?
Would he he was? He wasn't this he he was?
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He was? The special was there? I'll say the special
was there, but to this capacity, to this degree, Um,
I don't think anyone would have predicted that Tom Brady
would have this type of career. In fact, who who
coming into the league would you predict would have the
type of career that Tom Brady has had. So so
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for that too, you know he's read defined what you know,
expectations versus reality, Um, what they really look like. It's
two pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio. So before we get the break, Um, I
was going to mention this yesterday, but somebody put together
this stat if you just took Tom Brady's stats in
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his forties, he would be the Bears all time leading
passer and just his forties, just his forties, just his forties. Yeah,
So so basically that's what you're working with. So anybody
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complaining about any of Tom Brady's performances. If you're a
Bucks fan, listen, it could be worse, all right. You
could be the Bears who have been waiting since about
nineteen twenty for quarterback production like you're getting every single week.
So so there's that. It is Two Pros and a
Cup of Joe here Fox Sports Radio from the tire
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got ourselves a quarterback controversy in the world of football.
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This is not getting the buzz that some of these
other ones are getting, but it could shake things up
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maybe the greatest comparison that we've ever heard in talking
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about a relationship on his own team. All right, so
we will we will get into that for you here
and a lot of people out there going to be
able to relate to this. You'll hear from that individual.
A getting coming up a little over ten minutes from
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been some quarterback controversies that have already taken place. You
obviously had Mitched Drabinsky and Kenny Pickett, you had yourself, um,
you know, Dak Prescott and Cooper Rush. That was one
that was thrown out there. Well, you know, some people
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threw that out there, Jerry Jones specifically. Yeah, can you
believe it? It's a damn shame. But you ever say
some stuff like that, Yeah, it's awful, It's awful, and listen,
nobody on this show. That's for sure that you also
have the Mac Jones potential quarterback controversy that I think
Albert Brier basically orchestrated himself. But you've had some others
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that have been thrown out there and some people that
have chigged in. Yeah, Garoppolo, Trey Lance. But there's another
one that maybe isn't getting enough attention. That is near
and dear to your heart, and it's we are because
there's this, uh, there's this little thing going on where
you've got the incumbent starter, thirty eight year old Sean Clifford,
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who has been at Penn So we're going Sean Clifford,
who is the quarterback there, longtime quarterback, six year, right,
this is six year Penn State. And then you've got
this stud Drew Ayler, who, yeah, his five star, turned
down a lot of other offers, I think Michigan and
Ohio State where amongst those, chose to go to Penn State.
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And he's got all the goods talent wise, much better
than Sean Clifford, everything like the way you like just
you watch him throw the football and you go, yeah,
that's something Sean Clifford can't do. But the coaching staff
isn't ready to make a change. Even though Sean Clifford
is not having a great year and his numbers aren't great,
and this coming on the heels of their loss to Michigan,
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the coaching staff is not ready to make a change.
You've got the offensive coordinator for Penn State, Mike your Chitz,
who has come out and said, well, we're gonna stay
with Sean Clifford. Here was James Franklin, the head coach
of Penn State, who spoke earlier this week about whether
or not it would be fair to pull Sean Clifford
based on that Michigan performance. That's the wrong message, that's
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the wrong signal, um, And and Sean has earned the
right to be on the field. That doesn't mean that
Drew hasn't done some good things. And what we'd love
to get him an opportunity and continue to grow and
him and to continue to develop him for his future,
no doubt about. All Right, So I want to throw
something at you. I have been speculating a little here,
(32:56):
kind of doing the math on this. All right, So
they just lost to Michigan. They've got Minnesota this weekend, right,
should win that game. It's at home. Should win that game?
Then is it a whiteout against Minnesota? And they're doing
the stripeout for your game right at against Ohio State?
So are I think if they beat Minnesota, they're still
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within striking distance with one loss at maybe doing some
things in the big tent. Obviously, they need some things
to work out in their favor, but you're still alive
to try and make some real noise and potentially make
a run at the conference title. Yeah. So they were
to win that game, I mean they have to win out. Yes,
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Would they put Drew Ayler in that spot against Ohio State?
I don't think so. I think what they're doing is
if they get to Ohio State and they lose with
Sean Clifford, they lose, and then I think we started
to see Tylor afterwards. That's the right say coach, coach
it wrong. Signal right, signal is if you feel as
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though Sean Clifford is your best answer, which I would
never dispute experience, but but at the same time, you
can't dispute talent either, and Drew as show that shown
that he's got he's got, like you said, the goods
um and there's so many weapons on this team. It's
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for me. It kind of comes down to play calling
as well, though, I mean, and I don't want to
be if you know, it's hard to be critical, but
you can't live and die off of an r p
O r p O offense where your quarterback is running
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the ball. More often than not, you've got a good
running backs uh, stable, Now the offensive line is better
than what it has been. You've got to be more
creative and how you move those offensive alignment around, You've
got to be more creative. And how you're you're getting
guys the ball. I mean, they're just has to be
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more creativity. And my assumption and my estimation in terms
of how how you're calling the games and and so
when you look at you look at that Michigan game,
I mean that was you know, we didn't have very
much offense. We never really threatened them, we never really
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put them in a position where they you know, we're
trying to figure out what's going to happen. So you know,
it's just as much was defense in that game as
it was offense. So I think you're right though, give
Clifford that that opportunity until miss Ohio State, and if
they don't beat Ohio State, you start looking to the future. Yeah,
because you've got four games after that, and then it's
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like at that point, you know your chances are winning
the Big ten or out and and then you just
because like you talked to like when he first came in,
it was the first game of the year against Perdue
and Joel Klatt said, he can really spin it, and
he threw one little like dump off out route like
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a night and day from what Sean Clifford can do.
And then you just look at the specs. I didn't
realize Drew Ailers six five to forty Jesus so he
so he's like, he's like one of the great quarterback prospects. Yeah,
like and and a total athlete. So I get it.
There's you know, there's some people that are like, well,
you know, if if Drew Ayler's got more talent, why
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wouldn't you put him in? To me, it makes sense, man.
You got Ohio State around the corner. You imagine having
to play Ohio State in a stripeout like that at
eighteen years old at quarterback when they're introducing at halftime.
I mean, come on now, that's uh, that's gonna be
a lot of fun. By the way I hear, the
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travel out there is isn't the easiest in the world.
It's not. We all we like it that way are
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mentioned we're gonna get into us a little bit of
bad news. There's somebody who is all of a sudden
(01:50):
popped up in the world of sports and sports coverage
over the past several months. You listening to this right now,
you know exactly what we're talking about. Well, listen, you'll
you'll you'll see Michael Douglas got you thrown off? Wow,
Well there's uh, we just got over a scene that
uh cleared out the studio. But uh, but we are
(02:10):
going to get to that. So, if you've been paying
close enough attention to the NFL, you're very familiar with
the name that we are going to bring up here
in just a couple of moments from now. But if
you were with us, uh, towards the end of last hour,
we were talking about the anniversary of one of Jim
Mora's great rants did Lee Pooh, and it took place yesterday,
and so we were playing it back and reliving it.
(02:31):
And one of the great rants that every time I
hear it gets better and better. And it's now I
don't even think it's close. It's the King, it's the Goat.
It's all four heads on the Mount rushmore. Lee Elia,
the former Cubs manager who laid in to the fans
that showed up two Cubs games. This was back before
(02:52):
they had lights. It was all day games. So take
it away. This was Lee Eli, a former Cubs manager
with a torch to the city of Chicago. We got
all these so called ficking fans that come out their cup,
fans that are supposed to be behind it, ripping everything
thing you do. I'll tell you one s thing. I
(03:12):
hope we get can hyder and just to stuff it
up in three thousand people to show up every day
because if they're the real Chicago fans, they can kiss
my ass right downtown and print it. They're really really
behind you around here, Mike, ask nobody's going there because
(03:36):
you guys are written good. But am I supposed to
do go out there and let my players get destroyed
every day and be quiet about it. For the Nickeldon
people that show up, the motherckers don't even work. That's
why they're out of the game. They're gonna go out
and get a job and find out what it's like
to go out there and a living world's working. The
(03:56):
other fifth team come out here, you can playground for
the players, got guys, and that's the cuch. Wow, you
(04:17):
said resigned the next day. How much long did that
fella last? I forget it was pretty quick after he
was out. I don't know if it was the next day,
but it was pretty soon afterwards. But yeah, that one
going back, eighty five percent of the world's working. The
other fifteen come out here. Oh man, talk bad about them,
(04:46):
my f and as. But yeah, it was pointed out.
The guy who actually got that sound was Less Gropstein.
He was a Chicago overnight radio host. He as a
reporter back then, and he actually just happened to be
rolling as Lee Elia just went off and cut that
(05:07):
promo and Less Gropstein actually passed away not long ago,
so you know, obviously, rest in peace Less Gropstein the
Grobe or one of the great Chicago radio legends. But bad,
oh bad, that gets better every time I hear it.
You you imagine like one of your coaches, like could
you see like Joe Paw or one of your coaches
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in the NFL, which coach in the NFL would have
been most likely to lay into the fans without even hesitated.
Ray Roads and his trash talk when you can understand
it best ever, you gotta be able to understand him though,
you know what I mean, like because he gets the
roll in it give and they coming down in animal
(05:53):
and got tell you what I'm like, I don't understand
one thing you said, coach, but I know you mean
that this that you're upset like he used to He
used to say that he had just once. I can't
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say it for radio, but it was. I mean, he
definitely was a fight fight trash talk coach. Greg Williams
is up there to Greg Williams would be good at
it too, Oh man, he is. He is a trash
talker too. True story when Greg Williams was an assistant
with the Rams when they moved out here to l A.
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Greg Williams came in studio with his wife and they
were in you know, the Rams were in thousand oaks.
They were like running a place. They just gotten here.
So Greg Williams came in studio on a weekend show
and was dropping F palm after F bomb without a
care in the world radio. I can't do that. That's
(07:00):
how he said that. I don't know, I don't know
what I want. That's how it comes out. That's how
it rolls up. It sounds like a banjo. Yeah yeah,
so you said, well, he sounds like a banjo when
he goes on his rants without that M effort. And
it's never effort. It's always m effort with ye. So Ray,
(07:25):
by the way, the way you were making Ray Road sound,
it sounded like Bernie mac Off The Players Club. They're
gonna be I'm telling you Ray Road trash talk as
a coach classic classic because it's an old, old grown man,
grown ass man like. But he's where is he from?
(07:50):
It's gotta be Texas. Yeah, it's gotta be Texas, man,
because the way he delivered was Texas. There you go.
It had to be Texas because I mean his I
mean his lingo. You just I couldn't understand him. I
(08:11):
just couldn't. I couldn't understand him. Man, I was like,
you know, I understand I heard some of it, like
I heard, I heard every third or fourth word, but
you just I just couldn't. And I'm not just I'm
not saying that all Texas As you can I can't
understand Texas. I'm just saying, if you know, you know,
there's a few like I had a few teammates that
was was from Texas, and I just like I just
(08:34):
couldn't understand him. Like it's and I'm not trying, like
it's probably funny to listen to it, but in the moment,
you'd be sitting there like if you saying that, just
nodding your head every once in a while, every once
in a while because because and here's the thing, the
(08:54):
ones that you can't understand they love to talk. They
love to talk, so I can't understand you. But you're
talking for like three or four or five minutes at
a time. So it's like on days that it's good,
it's like yeah, man, yeah, yep, yep, yep, yep, yeah man.
You don't have no feedback, you don't say nothing, you
(09:17):
can't respond because you don't know what you're responding to,
so you just listen yep. Yeah, man, Yeah, but on
days that, on days that you just don't have the toddlers,
you'd be like, bro, what that for you saying? But
like what what are you saying? Like like, ain't like
regular English, my guy, Like I can't I can't even understand.
(09:39):
I don't understand. But it be so fast. It's who little,
it's so fast. The one I struggle with this Cajun
like I can't like that's the one. But but I'm
telling you the dudes that I'm telling you that be
be doing that. That's from Texas. It's almost like its
own style of Cajun. It's it's its own style. Yeah,
(10:02):
it's it's hard, man, it was hard. But Ray Rhodes,
for every three or four words that that that you
could understand, you knew it was. It was real. He
was bringing some real talk to you. Well like this
is and uh, we've talked about this, we mentioned it before,
Bruce Arians, Like that's why you want to know why
a new Bruce Arians wouldn't work out as a broadcaster
(10:23):
with CBS. He can't stop cursing, like Bidwell, the owner
of the of the Cardinals said in the Bruce Arians, Uh,
pro football, what is it a Pro Football Life of
Football Life on NFL Network. He said that when they
sat down to meet for the first time, he was
kind of taken back because Bruce Arians is basically meeting
(10:44):
with this guy to try and get hired for a job,
and Bruce Arians is dropping f bombs at dinner like never,
like not even like didn't even think twice about it.
And I remember working with Artrell Hawkins was telling me.
He said that he's all, hey, He's all, he's all
gonna give you Ba's number, text him, see if you'll
come on when Artrol was working here years ago, and
(11:04):
I said, okay, well he respond he goes, yeah, it's
b A. I was like, okay, I don't know. Bruce
Arians would respawn right away via text that he would
come on, but we had to stop bringing him on
live because he kept he couldn't stop. Not like I
don't even think he realized it, He just he couldn't stop.
So we had to start taping him because we kept
having to dump it and it would throw the whole
(11:26):
clock off at the network, and so all the local
affiliates would be like, hey, man, like we're all our
timing is off because Bruce Arians just couldn't help himself.
So yeah, it's uh, you know, it's by the way,
a little curse word from time to time goes a
long way, right. Yeah. Gone of the days that you
can drop an F bomb and somebody just say, you
know what, he needed to get it out? Right? Ray
(11:48):
Rose probably couldn't pull that today. Lee Elia probably couldn't
pull that ran today. It's too bad. It's a bummer,
all right. Two Pros and a Cup of Joe Fox
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We're going to talk about somebody in the world of sports,
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somebody who has popped up over the last several months.
We've got to pay off the teams we've been promoting
this here, but they have gotten some bad news, some
really bad news from someone close to them yesterday in
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A rain storms take me away from the No. I've
got to tell you something, this phenomenon, I had to
(12:55):
put it in a song and it goes live. WHOA
does that make you feel good? Do you make you
want to drink? This song? This is my wedding song. Yeah, celebration.
It's not really my wedding song. It's just part of
the wedding wedding video that was made. Yeah. Yeah, my
(13:18):
wife and we didn't have a wedding song. Yeah, because, uh,
it was the middle of COVID. So we were just
I mean, we're all we're all currently in the same positions.
You know. We were two wedding song, no wedding song.
I mean, you know we're married. Yeah, we were two Frenches.
We were too worried about getting arrested if we lowered
our mask to have a drink. So, yeah, we had
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we had other issues going on. Didn't stop lead stop
lead a lap though, who got mangled and like walked
out with prizes too. Yeah. He was there with you know,
a couple other members of the Fox Sports Radio family
and Lee you guys got total did you not? Did
you not get hammeredly? Oh? Yeah? After party two. That's
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the one thing about weddings, though it's great for everybody else,
but if you're the bride and groom, because you're like
meeting and talking to so many people and thanking so
many people, there's not a lot of opportunities to just
sit back and enjoy everything. And uh and and Lee
took full advantage. God, I got after it a little bit.
So good for you. Will you do the same thing
(14:27):
when you get married? Oh? God, how will that work out?
How will that work out? Well? Not? Well, yeah, that's
a listen that we'll be lucky if there's booze at
that wedding based on some information, So all right, I
(14:51):
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We do have ourselves another quarterback controversy in the world
of football. This is one, well, it's one that's not
(15:13):
getting a lot of notoriety, but it's real and we
could see a change happen within the next couple of weeks.
So we will get into that for you here on
Fox Sports Radio. So Tom Brady, obviously he apologized for
his comments comparing the NFL to to deployment. I'm sure
you're happy about that, Yeah, he was. So he got
(15:34):
a lot of pushed back. A lot of people came
after Tom Brady for that. But he also decided this
was the time, after the shouting match and all that,
to talk about his plans retirement, what's going to happen
moving forward. Here was TB twelve yesterday, couple of national
talking heads speculating that, you know, Tom has not even
going to finish out this season. And I've tried to,
(15:56):
like say, that's got to be crazy to me. We're
here all the time, you really why I'm here. I'm
here to announce finally, you guys pushed me to the rink,
and uh no, I think, you know, I think a
lot of it for me is just us going out
there to you know, I love the sport, and I
love the teammates, and and uh I want to go
do a great job for this team like I always have,
(16:17):
so no retirement in my future. Yeah, that's a bummer.
That means, uh, you know, just so I was probably
not happy about that. Right, that's gonna go ahead and
close up shop on that. If if he is having
the issues he's having, and reportedly it's because of him playing,
if that relationship is over, he's coming back next year. Like,
I would be shocked if he just decides to walk
(16:40):
away after this year. Now, whether it's with Tampa, who
the hell knows. I think it's probably gonna be the
forty Niners. But I would be shocked if this is
Brady's last year in the NFL. Where do you Where
do you fall on that? I just think anything is
possible with him and and and at this point I
think anything is possible leans more towards him proving that
(17:03):
he can play another season, and then when he plays
that next season, it's proven that he can play another season.
Like he's literally like I saw that that gift going
jift going around that had the old ass man in
the in the flag football game running for it for
the touchdown. He's literally going to push for as long
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as he can to show that the TV twelve method
is indeed a real thing. Like, imagine he's fifty years old,
and I mean he's getting there. He's close. You know,
imagine being fifteen years or fifty years old and still
starting in the National Football League. There's there's a couple
of things there. One talent must not be what we
(17:45):
think it is. Or two, um, the game has gotten
so soft and they have slowed it so slowed it
up so much on quarterbacks that you could actually play
until you're afty years old because of the rules that
are in play to not touch the quarterback. Think about that.
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All he has to do is keep his arms strong,
keep his legs and his core strong to be able
to deliver to throws. But that's, you know, to me,
as crazy as it might sound, it's actually a tap
bit feasible to think that it could happen well. And
and also, when's the last time you saw Brady outside
of a quarterback sneak like, do anything under center? Doesn't
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it seem like he's always in shotgun always and he
gets rid of it. Yeah, always in shotgun gets rid
of it fast. And and that's why guys like Edelman
and a Mendola, that's why his running backs are always
featured in the past game because like that's that's always
a primary weapon for him, like Leonard Fournett, and he
got better towards his final year in Jacksonville. But Leonard
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four and one of the knocks on him was, well,
he's just a running back. He's not a great pass catcher. Dude,
He's like one of their their top receivers. Like that's
one of the go twos for Brady out of the backfield,
I think. But it's weird though I don't. I look
at it and I go, it is a Brady thing
because I watched Rogers and I'm like, man, I think
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Tom Brady is gonna end up playing longer than Rogers does,
Meaning from this point moving forward, I think it's more
likely Rogers retires first than Tom Brady. I really do.
Like Roger seems like I should you know what I mean,
it should like it's it's crazy, But I just I
don't see Brady packing it up after this year. I mean,
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if they were to win a Super Bowl, I could
see him, you know, riding off into the sunset and
all that, or if it just got to the point
to where physically he was totally diminished. But I don't
look at this year and say his skills have diminished.
It's just they've been banged up. He's taken a little
bit of a beating. Uh, they're not flowing on offense,
and he's been trying to figure out some sort of
a rhythm with his offensive line and all that. And
(19:56):
I don't think they're as good of a team as
they were last year. But I don't think it's as
much Brady. I think it's I think it's a real
possibility he comes back, not that he finishes out this
year obviously and then comes back next year. I think
it's happening fetched at all, whether he was married happily,
whether like leave his personal business and personal life out
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of it, all things giving all things aside, he was
probably coming back next year. I mean, that's he He
loves the game. He loves playing the game, and he
doesn't look like like even though they're not playing as
well as they have in years past, him being at
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in Tampa, it's not like they're playing horribly bad. Nobody's
counting them out on being a team that can end
up on top of the NFC at seasons end. He
heard you say yesterday, these these types of starts. Tom
Brady had quite a bit in New England. They started
off a little shaky, little rusty or lost a couple
(20:59):
of games there early on, then they turned it up
later on in the season. So Brady doesn't look like
he's slowing down, and I'm not looking at them like,
oh the you know, they're the concerns and and there,
you know, lack of wins is based upon him slowing down.
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I mean, if you recall when he first got to
Tampa Bay, the one game where they was like, oh,
he didn't even know what down it was. He's getting
so old, he's he's he's getting you know, like you know,
he doesn't even know where he's at. Like that. All
he did was go win a Super Bowl. I mean,
shut up, right. So so in the end, like with Brady,
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I just I think anything is possible with Tom and
the best thing he can do right now for himself
and for his team is really just plays play as
hard out and be as president as he possibly can
be under any of his given circumstance. So when you
got drafted the NFL, let's say draft day, if somebody
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were to ask you how many years, do you want
to play in the league? What would your event? What
would your answer have been? Um? Probably ten? Okay, so
ten years great and great career. And you had a
great career anyways, but ten ten years, all right, So
that means you would have retired three and you would
have retired in what two thousand ten? Yeah? Okay. Tom
(22:28):
Brady was in the same draft class as you, and
he's still playing twelve years later. It's insane. Yeah, I mean,
like I said, waiting for him perspective, I'm sitting here,
I got my elbow wrapped up. My elbow is all sore,
like out of nowhere, like like it's either arthritis or
or the gout. I don't. I have no idea, but
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my elbow, that bro my elbow is sore for no reason.
I'll wake up at any given point during the course
of my life and I'll have pain, like I'll have
joint pain, you know what I mean. Like at at
at forty four, forty four years I think I'm a
forty four Yeah, I think, so forty four years old.
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And and how old is Tom Brady? Forty five? Yeah,
I'm forty four. I'll be forty five this year. God
torn it um. Getting old isn't fun and and and
and and for what it's worth, it's painful at times.
So to to think that that dude is still doing
what he's doing and and listen, you could say, well,
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it's by position. Of course, you played a much more
you know, grueling and grimier position than than a quarterbacks position.
And you will be right. You know, our bodies took,
you know, our bodies take more of a beating than
what a quarterback generally does. But but still to get
up and maintain that regiment for all these years, that
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is a grind. That is a a straight up grind
to do what he has done for as long as
he has. And it's also like one are the other
thing they talked about this in fighting, everyone looks at
like the fights you have, Like like boxers, they look at, well,
how many how many fights has he had, and they're
counting the fights that they're having, you know, in the
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ring against opponents that count on their record, Like you're
having fights every day in camp, like you're you're like
whether it's a fight physically just to get through a
workout or to go run hills or to go so
it's it's not even just the wear and tear that
you go through in the game or in the fight.
It's what's leading up to you even putting yourself in
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a position to to have wear and tear in those moments.
And so when you just factor in all the years,
whether whether it was college or his training off field,
you know, in the off season, and the fact that
he's still here and and we're talking about is he
going to come back at forty six, like, and he
came out and he entered the league in the year
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two thousand. I just that's why when I when I
hear people say like, oh god, you know, we're tired
of Brady, move on, tired of hearing about the conversation.
You're never going to see this again. Hey, hey, bro,
my oldest son was born in twenty or two thousand,
all right, he's twenty two years old and has the
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possibility of going pro in the next three years, and
Brady might still be there, and Brady might still be insane.
That's why I don't understand why people are so negative
about him. Liked like baseball stuff. You're never gonna see
it again. You're never gonna see this again. It's never
gonna happen. So so yeah, it's unfortunately for just a
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theory and in theory, if you get a really really
good pocket passing quarterback, they may play for a really
really long time because the rules just they're in favor
of you having longevity with what it is that you're doing.
You just have to stay efficient and you have to
stay successful and relevant enough where you don't lose your job. See,
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that's that's the key. Many of us have wanted to
play for a long time, and and the idea of
it is, you know, they have to drag you out
of the league before you you walk away from the game.
It's all about your production, you know. So the hardest
thing will be can you stay productive for it for
that long. He's not only played for a long time.
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There's been guys that have played a long time. He's
playing a long time and he's productive, like, he's still relevant,
he's he's a factor. And that's you know, give it
up to his preparation and the way he takes care
of himself and and and everything that goes into the
method of of how he's done this. But let me
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tell you that's not by accident. He didn't luck out
and do this. So for anybody who may have thought
he got lucky or you know, this was just you know,
I don't know random now that dude puts and like
literally it's his life. Well, you played against him in college?
Would he he was? He wasn't this he he was?
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He was? The special was there? I'll say the special
was there, but to this capacity, to this degree, Um,
I don't think anyone would have predicted that Tom Brady
would have this type of career. In fact, who who
coming into the league would you predict would have the
type of career that Tom Brady has had. So so
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for that too, you know he's read defined what you know,
expectations versus reality, Um, what they really look like. It's
two pros and a cup of Joe here on Fox
Sports Radio. So before we get the break, Um, I
was going to mention this yesterday, but somebody put together
this stat if you just took Tom Brady's stats in
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his forties, he would be the Bears all time leading
passer and just his forties, just his forties, just his forties. Yeah,
So so basically that's what you're working with. So anybody
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complaining about any of Tom Brady's performances. If you're a
Bucks fan, listen, it could be worse, all right. You
could be the Bears who have been waiting since about
nineteen twenty for quarterback production like you're getting every single week.
So so there's that. It is Two Pros and a
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been some quarterback controversies that have already taken place. You
obviously had Mitched Drabinsky and Kenny Pickett, you had yourself, um,
you know, Dak Prescott and Cooper Rush. That was one
that was thrown out there. Well, you know, some people
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threw that out there, Jerry Jones specifically. Yeah, can you
believe it? It's a damn shame. But you ever say
some stuff like that, Yeah, it's awful, It's awful, and listen,
nobody on this show. That's for sure that you also
have the Mac Jones potential quarterback controversy that I think
Albert Brier basically orchestrated himself. But you've had some others
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that have been thrown out there and some people that
have chigged in. Yeah, Garoppolo, Trey Lance. But there's another
one that maybe isn't getting enough attention. That is near
and dear to your heart, and it's we are because
there's this, uh, there's this little thing going on where
you've got the incumbent starter, thirty eight year old Sean Clifford,
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who has been at Penn So we're going Sean Clifford,
who is the quarterback there, longtime quarterback, six year, right,
this is six year Penn State. And then you've got
this stud Drew Ayler, who, yeah, his five star, turned
down a lot of other offers, I think Michigan and
Ohio State where amongst those, chose to go to Penn State.
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And he's got all the goods talent wise, much better
than Sean Clifford, everything like the way you like just
you watch him throw the football and you go, yeah,
that's something Sean Clifford can't do. But the coaching staff
isn't ready to make a change. Even though Sean Clifford
is not having a great year and his numbers aren't great,
and this coming on the heels of their loss to Michigan,
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the coaching staff is not ready to make a change.
You've got the offensive coordinator for Penn State, Mike your Chitz,
who has come out and said, well, we're gonna stay
with Sean Clifford. Here was James Franklin, the head coach
of Penn State, who spoke earlier this week about whether
or not it would be fair to pull Sean Clifford
based on that Michigan performance. That's the wrong message, that's
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the wrong signal, um, And and Sean has earned the
right to be on the field. That doesn't mean that
Drew hasn't done some good things. And what we'd love
to get him an opportunity and continue to grow and
him and to continue to develop him for his future,
no doubt about. All Right, So I want to throw
something at you. I have been speculating a little here,
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kind of doing the math on this. All right, So
they just lost to Michigan. They've got Minnesota this weekend, right,
should win that game. It's at home. Should win that game?
Then is it a whiteout against Minnesota? And they're doing
the stripeout for your game right at against Ohio State?
So are I think if they beat Minnesota, they're still
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within striking distance with one loss at maybe doing some
things in the big tent. Obviously, they need some things
to work out in their favor, but you're still alive
to try and make some real noise and potentially make
a run at the conference title. Yeah. So they were
to win that game, I mean they have to win out. Yes,
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Would they put Drew Ayler in that spot against Ohio State?
I don't think so. I think what they're doing is
if they get to Ohio State and they lose with
Sean Clifford, they lose, and then I think we started
to see Tylor afterwards. That's the right say coach, coach
it wrong. Signal right, signal is if you feel as
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though Sean Clifford is your best answer, which I would
never dispute experience, but but at the same time, you
can't dispute talent either, and Drew as show that shown
that he's got he's got, like you said, the goods
um and there's so many weapons on this team. It's
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for me. It kind of comes down to play calling
as well, though, I mean, and I don't want to
be if you know, it's hard to be critical, but
you can't live and die off of an r p
O r p O offense where your quarterback is running
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the ball. More often than not, you've got a good
running backs uh, stable, Now the offensive line is better
than what it has been. You've got to be more
creative and how you move those offensive alignment around, You've
got to be more creative. And how you're you're getting
guys the ball. I mean, they're just has to be
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more creativity. And my assumption and my estimation in terms
of how how you're calling the games and and so
when you look at you look at that Michigan game,
I mean that was you know, we didn't have very
much offense. We never really threatened them, we never really
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put them in a position where they you know, we're
trying to figure out what's going to happen. So you know,
it's just as much was defense in that game as
it was offense. So I think you're right though, give
Clifford that that opportunity until miss Ohio State, and if
they don't beat Ohio State, you start looking to the future. Yeah,
because you've got four games after that, and then it's
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like at that point, you know your chances are winning
the Big ten or out and and then you just
because like you talked to like when he first came in,
it was the first game of the year against Perdue
and Joel Klatt said, he can really spin it, and
he threw one little like dump off out route like
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a night and day from what Sean Clifford can do.
And then you just look at the specs. I didn't
realize Drew Ailers six five to forty Jesus so he
so he's like, he's like one of the great quarterback prospects. Yeah,
like and and a total athlete. So I get it.
There's you know, there's some people that are like, well,
you know, if if Drew Ayler's got more talent, why
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wouldn't you put him in? To me, it makes sense, man.
You got Ohio State around the corner. You imagine having
to play Ohio State in a stripeout like that at
eighteen years old at quarterback when they're introducing at halftime.
I mean, come on now, that's uh, that's gonna be
a lot of fun. By the way I hear, the
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travel out there is isn't the easiest in the world.
It's not. We all we like it that way are
you doing? You're gonna get the r V the we
r V or what we are V? Come on, we're
making that isn't really good? Is really good? Such a
great play. Come on, should you should actually set that up?
I'm telling you, like make that, make that like us
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some sort of My tailgate is going to be boss. Bro,
just know that. Oh yeah, it's going to be boss,
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