October 27, 2022 • 50 mins
Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Brady Quinn’s buddy blows his surprise Birthday dinner. A preview of TNF between the Bucs and Ravens an why we're seeing lackluster pass attacks from both Lamar Jackson and Tom Brady. Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer talks about the QB situation in New England and potential trades before the deadline. Plus, Russell Wilson continues his tour of cringe, doing high knees in the aisle of the plane on the way to London.
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the way, that sounded different for some reason. I don't
know why. Yeah, you know, LaVar like, what sounded so
different about it? I don't know, man, it just sounded
like it was probably the better phone microphone placement. I
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don't know. No, no, no, it wasn't the hyperphone. I
know what it is. What was it? What was it?
Because it's Brady's birthday, John snows, Joanna snows. I hate this.
Should just take it to down. That's my shot. Take it,
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Mr Kicker. Actually it's kind of good for it? Does it? Does?
I'm mad he could sound like a woman better sing
like I had kicked me in before I recorded old man,
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I should have taken today. I'll just to afford this. Yeah,
come on, not not a kid, not a cake guy.
Not a kid guy going going to uh going to dinner. Actually, um,
I will say this. So last night, um my, my
wife threw me like a bit of a kind of
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surprised dinner. But it got it got ruined, and it
was one of the funniest things because one of my friends,
who I mean, he's a great guy, and obviously he
had no clue it was a surprise, right like his
wife didn't tell him it was a surprise dinner. So
we pick up one of my buddies. He tells me like, oh, yeah,
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my wife is is going to meet us there. So
it's me and my wife and my buddy driving in
and as we park and get out of the car.
My other buddy's about, I don't know, fifty yards away,
and I'm literally closing the door. He goes, hey, hey, wait, hey,
hold on, hold on, and he's carrying a gift and
he goes keep it open, and I'm looking and I
see him and I'm like, okay, this is a it
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odd now, and now I'm starting to put two and
two together and go, oh, she's she's trying to throw
me like a surprised little dinner thing. That's why this
other buddies here right now. And so if it's awkward
because my wife doesn't know what to say, my buddy,
my other buddy who we drove with, is standing there.
He kind of starts to laugh, and I just I
don't really say anything because it's like the wheels are
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working in my head. I'm like okay. So then we
go into the restaurant and the guy who wins the restaurant,
Joyous Busy, was a great guy. He takes us to
like a four top. I'm like, well, I know, I'm
not just eating with my two buddies and my wife.
So he so he tries to kind of play it off,
and then we eventually walked to a back room where
everyone else was. So it was just one of those
things though, But it's it was so funny to me,
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and it was. It was awesome. It was a nice gesture,
but even better, even better than my buddy Nick, who
had just no idea whatsoever. Kind of ended up ruining
that surprise. But everyone everyone's got someone who does something
like that. No, no, awes, it was. It was hilarious
how it all happened, and he had no clue. So
it's just it was one of those things where it
was funny to see the reaction from his wife and
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him once he got into the room, because his wife
was already there obviously waiting. Well, hey, happy birthday and
happy birthday. A little Long Island and state college with
a candle sticking out of the top. What are we
thinking there, LaVar White Goblets. I mean, it's his birthday,
you know what I mean? So whatever he wants to
do and stay college, man, it will be given the
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fact that that's your trick of choice. Have you ever
done that, LaVar? What's that but Long Island? I don't
know that they've had a floater that was the candle
of the blow Outland and I think we were more
interested to getting to the fluid than um, you know,
worrying about a candle. Yeah, well yeah, there's uh well,
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you know you can't celebrate because we do have some
NFL action coming up later on tonight. How bad it
we got? We got a juicy matchup here, We got
the Ravens, we got the struggling Buccaneers. I think I
saw a statistic that Tampa Bay hasn't lost three straight
and over twenty years, if I'm not mistaken, which seemed
it seemed wrong. But I saw it somewhere and I thought,
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are they are they talking about like Tom Brady hasn't
lost three straight in twenty years? Like that? It just
it seemed wrong, but that was something that was thrown
out there. But nonetheless, it is the Ravens and the
Buccaneers in Tampa coming up later on tonight. For those
of you degenerate gamblers out there, And when we say
the word degenerate, we mean that in the politest, kindest
way possible. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are a point and
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half favorite at home on a short week against Lamar
Jackson and the Ravens. How we feel half, They're a
point and half favorite. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. It's
been kind of floating there a little bit. I think
it was one yesterday maybe, and then I'm gonna moved
it ticked up a little. Yeah, Baltimore is now the
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underdog on Thursday Night, which makes sense road team Thursday Night.
We've seen how that's played out historically on Thursday Night game.
But I'm a little surprised considering Tampa Bay's really banged
up and they have not looked good at all, and
it just it feels like this is a difficult spot.
But something tells me Tom Brady is gonna respond. Gut feeling. Yeah,
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gut feeling, I think Tom Brady respond lb J. No,
that's not listen live bet Jesus. I mean, you guys
have done all you can to try and bury him alive.
I just throw throw dirt on him, dollars. I mean,
it's a factive aggressive on the bath of lb J. Well, um, so,
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how how do we feel about this game? Though? Because
it's kind of a kind of an interesting spot for Tampa.
Who's got all sorts of noise and questions? Was was
last week? I'll pose the question this way? Was the
loss of Carolina rock bottom for this team. Uh, it's
hard not to feel that way. I mean, you were
taking on you know, p J. Walker, who's I guess
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a backup. I'm not even sure how you he might
be a third string if like Donald's healthy? Is Donald
the starter there in Carolina? Um? And so so there's
something to be said about that concidering they don't even
have a head coach. I think this game is important
for both teams though. If you look at Baltimore, they've
gotta they've got to start putting together some wins and
and in particular, Lamar's gonna start looking better a for
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that huge contract he's gonna sign, but be because Cincinnati
started has started to turn it on, and they've got
a divisional game this week to on Monday Night Football
against the Browns, and I suspect the Bengals, the way
they're playing, you're gonna take care of business. So if
if you look at where Baltimore is that if they
want to keep hanging around the division just for a
chance for winning it and even the playoff picture, they've
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got to start taking care of business with some of
these So, I mean, we could talk about Tampa and
what this game means to them. But let's be real.
I mean, they're they're winning the division right now at
three and four, like no one's running away with the
NFC South. So I don't know that it's his dire
that they get this win as compared to Baltimore starting
to stay up some wins right now. I'm glad you
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said it that way as well, because this is to me,
the first thing I thought about when I started looking
at the matchup was this is a prime um this
is a prime moment for a Lamar Jackson type esque
performance like and and maybe I don't know, maybe we
are at a point now where we're seeing the settling
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end to being what what it could possibly be and
it not not being. So I don't know, like big
play driven by Lamar Jackson, you know, where where you
see the who all type of plays more than you know,
more than two or three times during maybe a half
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of football. You know, maybe that's where we're getting to.
Maybe he's adjusting and adapting to being, you know, a
quarterback that throws the ball more. I don't I don't know,
but I feel like this is one of those types
of games where if he takes off and runs. It's
okay to to be okay with him taking off and running,
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you know, being being more of a playmaker versus you know,
trying to to to just dink and dunk. And I
feel like he's been dinking and dunking to his tight
end the entire season, and it hasn't been any real
like electrifying breakout moments that that we've seen from him
this this year. This to me, this one, this one
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kind of builds up to be that moment for you
to say on Amazon Prime, here comes Lamar Jackson and
here come those Baltimore Ravens. I mean, I'll put it
this with the last three games, he's completed under six
percent of his passes. He hasn't passed for more than
two ten yards and that was a couple of couple
of weeks ago. And he's throwing two touchdown passes the
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two interceptions in the last three games. It's been a
very and and really going back past that, like he's
only thrown over three yards once this season. He started
off like if you just if you looked at his
first three weeks, he threw tent and touchdown. Since then,
like he's he's got a higher interception to touchdown ratio,
and it just hasn't looked the same. And they've been
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there like epitome of roller coaster one one lost one, one,
one lost one. Cleveland did not look pretty at all. Um,
you know the Browns and Cade York in that whole situation,
and I I don't know, man, it has not looked
like I thought it was gonna look. I was. I
liked the idea of Lamar Jackson coming in, betting on
himself and just running away and getting a brand new contract.
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Maybe that plays out if they win some games in
the postseason, But at this point, I don't think he's
proven anything on his side as far as deserving of
that Deshaun Watson type two thirty million dollar guarantee contract
or that he's gonna get it. It just it feels
like he's in a tough spot. It always feels that
like they're lacking on something. I mean, Roshote Bateman obviously
has has come along, and he's a piece that I
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think they're gonna have to rely on heavily to be
that wide receiver. That's I mean, it's one of the
reasons why they wins signed to Sean Jackson right, they
need some sort of speed there. And the answers was
held without a catch in last week's game, and he's
been like the number one target for him. So to
your point, it always feels like there's something missing in
the passing game. But I also don't know that you
ever kind of squarely point to Lamar and say, oh,
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it's him. It always feels like, personnel wise, there's something
missing with this team, at least for him to throw too.
And I don't look again, I don't know if it'll
ever be solved. You know, I'm not sure if that's
something you're ever going to figure out, but uh, that
they have not been able to throw the football consistently, well,
at least the last three maybe you'd say the last
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four weeks. You know that he's been efficient, you know,
going back to like that Buffalo loss, But outside of that,
I mean, I don't know, man, it's just it's been
hard to kind of scratch your head. But that's been
his career so far. Is you're always saying it's always
something else in events. You're like, well, he is the
one consistent piece in this offense that just hasn't been
consistent passing. He's really fun to watch them. Man, it's
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gonna be it's gonna be fun to see how it
shakes out tonight. And then you get Tom Brady and
that whole drama and we get to see, uh, what
sort of interactions he has with his offensive lineman and
people are gonna overreact to do you think Antonio Brown
tweets during the game tonight she might show up. Yeah,
that's a good point. You know, you might see him
around point de robed. Yeah, gosh shirt, which is there's
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a lot of woman, there's a lot of a lot
of potential there for some chaos. So they be this.
Do do you think it's the off the field stuff
is playing a role in tom Brady's performance? I do too.
It's it's it's hard not it's hard not to acknowledge
that because and people will be like, oh, he's a
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public figure. They're used to it. Yeah, you're used to
that when things are going well. You're used to it
when the bad stuff starts coming out. But even if
you're dealing with bad stuff, the bad stuff personally that
he's dealing with, nobody's going to be used to that,
you know, You're not like when you're talking about family
issues and then those those issues become public the whoa,
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he's oh my gosh, I mean all you said it yesterday,
Like whether or not there is anything they're legitimately with
Antonio Brown and Gizelle, it's it's still got a sting
just to here that. Yeah, think about I mean, come on, man,
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we're all married here. Could you imagine somebody that you
befriended the way Tom Brady did doing some stuff like
that and then he was in your house? So then
so no matter how, no matter how secure you are
as a man, in the back of your mind, you're like,
hold up, did I miss something there that Trojan horses?
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And and if I did miss it, did he really
forget his phone at house when he went back one day?
Phone he was he was staying there. That was Jeter spot.
That place is so big they got a west wing that, like,
you know, Antonio Brown could be there and no one
would know. All I'm saying is, even if I'm Tom Brady,
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I might feel like, well a certain type of way,
you know, and I ain't no killer, But don't push me,
you know what I mean. Like that's the one violation
that it's that's a hard one like that is a
hard violation even too, even to post that and insinuate
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that that is a hard pill to swallow. So whether
anything and listen that that is what it is. You know,
that's that's out of my range. But for him to
do that, that's definitely a distraction. The whole world consumed it.
It's also like, wouldn't they hear your stories about how
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committed Brady is to the football season and it's rehab
and all in the preparation for games. There has to
be at some point conversations he's got to have with
his kids trying to explain to them what's going on. Uh,
like maybe they're seeing stuff for you know, somebody in
schools sending him stuff for making comments. He's got to
address all that. He does feel like yeah, I mean yeah,
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I mean that had to have flying off, flying off
the shelves U And I mean, you know, school kids
are are brutal, ruthless, they're brutal. So so there's no
telling how deep that rabbit hole went has gone for
some of his kids. Like that's just and and to
think like people would be like, oh, it would be
so great to be Tom Brady's kids. Well, maybe not
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in moments like these. No, you know, and that's said
because that's collateral damage, like the abs ignorant as think
about that before he did that. You know, those things
like that, Like those are the things that make you
like I don't care about you having antics that that
impact you personally, Like do you if you want to
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If you want to do that and and ruin your
reputation and ruin your own self image, that's on you.
If you want to be self you know, um, you know,
I don't know what it is self whatever. There you go,
that's what I'm looking for. If you want to do that,
you go right ahead. And and you know it's said
you want to try to help guys that are maybe
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crying out for help, But the moment they do something
like that, crying out for help to me kind of
like it's put to bed, like I don't feel sorry
for you now, and I don't. I'm not pulling for
you to get the help you need, you know what
I'm I'm pulling for you to shut up, like you
to stop, you know, you you to do something differently,
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you to take self accountability, because now you're impacting someone
that means more to me than what you do and
and my fellow man means a to me, But what
means more to me are the kids. So when kids
are impacted by things like that, you went wrong with
me and I think that that's where it went over
the line. So sorry for having a serious moment, but
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but it definitely true. It definitely could be playing a part.
And why Tom Brady, you know, may not be fully
doubt in or be playing at the highest level he
could be playing at. Yeah, I mean, I was gonna say, like,
my kids aren't to that age yet, Like they're at
that age where I'm just kind of joined the cuteness
of how small they are. Like my my daughter, my
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eldest had a They're like a book thing. They had
to go up on stage and dress up as a
character for a book. So she was dressed up like
a rabbit. She looked she honestly looked like the kid
from the Christmas Story. And the worst is like it
was it was kind of warm out and so she's
got this like it's like a fleece rabbit jumpsuit on
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and she's just sweating. I felt so bad for um.
But she went up on stage and did a thing.
But I was kinda think of myself, man like in
that moment, you have all these emotions of like just
how proud you are and how happen all that. I
could only imagine, like the day it comes home when
someone says something they should not be saying, whether boy, girl, whatever,
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Like I would be on the war path, and so
I could only imagine, you know what that's like right
now dealing with that, you know, giving his kids. To
your point, LaVar, are old enough to be able to
see and hear and follow all that stuff. Yeah, it's brutal.
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Right now, let's turn it over to Albert Brier, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him on
Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert, what's happening? How the hell's
your Thursday? Oh? Great, I guess congratulations are in order, right, LaVar? Right,
Oh well, thank you, thank you. That's right, big time.
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All right, all kidding aside, that's that's fantastic, that's very well,
the weekend of us playing your alma mater, and you know,
I have to maintain the belief that we can shock
the world. But you know, I'm glad you brought it up.
But Albert, I'll just get right to it. Um, like,
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just you know, your best guests here, do you believe
that this weekend Ohio State might be better than Penn
State by like, I don't know, more than fifteen and
a half points. Do you think that that's that's going
to be? How this looks like? You know, you know,
I I always you know, I always love when you
pull these numbers out of the year. Jones, I, Um,
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you know, I think Penn State has always been almost
like invariably over the last I think, if you look
like since James Franklin has been there, at least for
one reason or another, Penn State give us a hard
time than anybody else. So I don't know why it
is they almost never win, but it's usually it's usually
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like a really tough no, but it's true. It's usually
a tough competitive game. And again, like and I think
part of it's like they're closer in talent than than
most other teams in the conference. That's obviously a part
of it. But like if you look at it, like
even like Michigan, like the Michigan games are way more
lopsided than the tense State games. So I would say
fifteen is probably right around the number. You know, I
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would say, uh, I would say, maybe this is a
stay away week, Jonas if you're talking about ahead and
drop that down here. Alright, very good, that's good. Was
happening in New England right now? Um, it's I mean, Brady, Honestly,
it's messy. I I don't you know. I I I
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think part of it is um kind of the off
season Mac hat and kind of who Mac is as
a player. And I don't know if you know you
guys have been around him at all, but Mac had
this reputation at Alabama, and you know, I think he
carried over to New England. He's a big, y guy.
He wants to know why you're doing everything. It's part
of what makes him really good as a quarterback. Um,
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you know. But I think there was a lot of
questioning of things that we're going on there, whether it's
the choice of coaches on the offensive side of the ball,
the lack of a run, that they the lack of
a run and Bill O'Brien um to replace Josh McDaniels,
the fact that they were sort of reconstructing the offense
and not building on what he did as a rookie. Um,
you know, there definitely was friction there, and then there
was friction over the handling of the injury injury too,
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and whether or not he was going to get the
tight rope surgery. And so I think all that sort
of played into the way things played out, you know,
over the last three or four weeks, where Bill basically
refused to say when he's healthy, he's getting his job back.
And then Zappy started playing well, and I think that
only so that that only further complicated it, and that
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all came to a head on Monday night when um, yes,
you know, it's part of the plan to play both guys,
but it's like sort of like one of those if
it looks like a duck and it walks like a
duck at the duck type of things, right like if
that did that look like a benching, you know, and
then he comes out like right after he throws a pick,
and then they don't put him back in. You know,
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It's just it was a weird situation that way, and
I think because of all the things leading up to it, um,
the the situation between team and quarterback was already a
little bit sideways, um, you know, and I think it
left a lot of the other players in that locker
room confused over where where things stand. And so um,
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you know, I'll be interested to see what happens when
Bill talks today because I think it would behoove the
Patriots to you know, have sort of a united front
behind Mac Jones now going forward and let everybody know
who their quarterback is. Um. But we've certainly seen in
the past where you know, Bill has refused, refused to
do these sorts of things to try to motivate or
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push players. It just it just keeps popping up to
me that it's how related Albert Like, Yeah, Belichick is
thick and how he does his his interviews, and I
get that, but he's also sensible and if you're listening
to him, it almost sounds as though he's telling you
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and his short answers that we're going to wait and
see if Mac is healthy enough to do it. One
interception that's not that's not sensible to say I'm gonna
take you out bench you because you threw one interception
and that's why you're coming out. There has to be
something more to this. Yeah, I you know what LaVar
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and I you know, it's interesting. I talked to a
couple of Bears coaches afterwards and and you guys know this,
like teams watched the other team in the warmups to Monday. Yeah,
see how how how players are moving around and stuff,
and um, you know, I know, talking to some of
the Bears coaches afterwards, they watched Mac and warmups and
they said he wasn't moving town great. And then you know,
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one of them pointed out to me, Now, Mac did
run a couple of times, but Mac has done things
in the past where it almost was like he's proved
trying to prove a point with what he does. Like
when Kendrick Borne, you know, who's you know, one of
the best receivers, uh, you know, was sort of in
a weird spot with the coaches earlier in the year
and wasn't playing very much. When he get in the lineup,
like Mac almost immediately would go to him with the
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ball almost right away, as if to send a message
to the coaches like keep this guy in here. I
want this guy in the game. Um. And I think
you know you sort of saw that on Monday night too,
like where he ran a couple of times early in
that game, almost as if to say, I'm healthy. But
when I you know, again talking to the Bears coaches
about this, there was a stack that Mac took where
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you know, like they were saying, like he moved forward fine,
but the way he's moving laterally wasn't great. And there
was a stack he took in the game where they
said that like it almost looked like a crumbled and
you know they were sort of wondering, is that when
the Patriots were like, oh, you know, like maybe he
shouldn't be out there. So you know, it's certainly possible
what you're saying with our is the case where they
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you know, maybe got it in the game and looked
at him and said, you know, maybe he can't send
for himself that you know he's that great. Uh, it's
it's a drop we play Albert when Carl Lewis realizes, Yeah,
when Carl Lewis realizes he's not performing well, it's kind
of an uh oh moment. Yeah, I miss that. I
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missed that, But no, no, no. All I was saying
was like, just you know, it's it's interesting because he
had those moments on Monday night. But then you know,
the flip side of it is that, you know, on
Wednesday yesterday, he's not on the injury report at all,
you know, and generally, like if a guy is banged
up on a Monday night, they aren't magically going to
like just completely be healed and off the off the
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injury report altogether on Wednesday. So the whole thing is
sort of weird. It's Albert Brier joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. Can
get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. So we saw
a trade done yesterday. Obviously we talked to about the
McCaffrey deal. Last week, we saw the Robert Quinn trade done.
He's now a Philadelphia Eagle for a fourth round pick
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from the Bears. Um, what is the biggest potential trade
that is being rumored out there from people you've talked to? Well,
I think the Bears are going to get some more
calls on their veteran defensive players. So, um, Eddie Jackson
Roe Kuwan Smith, Like, I think you're gonna hear teams
are going to make calls on them, um the you know,
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the Broncos if they lose on Sunday and in um
in h in London. I certainly think, you know, Bradley
Chubb is going to be a name that you're gonna
hear a lot, you know, and he's in a contract
here do they move Bradley Chubb, Who's you know, a
young premier pass rusher if you're another team, if you're
another team, like you know, he's a guy who you
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can put the franchise tag on and signed to a
long term deal if you if you're able to acquire him.
The Carolina guys, you know, I don't think they're trading
any of their young players, but they'll certainly get calls
on guys like you know, Brian Burns and d J.
Moore and Derek Brown and J. C. Horne. Um. Again,
I think that they'd rather keep those guys um barring
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like a you know, somebody bringing King's ransom for one
of them. The team to me that I think it's
going to sort of be the interesting one to watch
is the Indianapolis Colts. Um and you see what they've
done and is going to Sam Allinger. And I know
some people who know Jim or say pretty well, who
have you know watched all of this over the last
couple of days and seeing how he kind of pushed
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the button on them making the quarterback switch. And I
know there are at least a couple of people convinced
that the reason he did this is he's sick of
the quarterback care so and he wants them to find
a younger quarterback, and like by putting Sam Ellinger in there,
this goes one of two ways. This either you have
a revelation and a guy they really like in the
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building but might be a little physically limited and Sam
Ellinger and if it works great, If it doesn't, you're
going to be one of the worst teams in the
league and maybe you're picking high next year and then
you can get one of the quarterbacks in the draft.
And so that puts the Colts in a really interesting
spot ahead of the trade deadline where if you're another team,
now do you look at them and do you say,
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do we make a phone call and see if Michael
Pittman or Bobbioka, Ricki or DeForest available yeah, as I
love Bobby. Let me ask you this, Albert, you want
to go back to the Broncos. Not so much about
Russell Wilson doing high knees down the aisle of the
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plan though, I'm would you guys be weirded out of you?
Would you guys be weird out if you woke up
on a team flight you saw the quarterback going down
the aisle doing the high knees. I think that that's
the first sign on a plane that I would think like, oh,
our team's got some issues. Like if that's what we're
focused on right now, we've got some problems. UM. I
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do want to ask you about Nathaniel Hackett because you're
talking about, well if if they lose this one in London, uh,
and there are an underdog I believe you know, they start,
you know, peeling off pieces like Bradley Chubb, who's a
good player. I kind of look at it. Think their
defense is the only thing that's kept them in games
this year. How how could you move on from a
guy you drafted that's that's looking to be the part
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right now, especially if you're George Payton, if you're Nathaniel Hackett,
like that's a piece that I probably don't want to
part ways with. And I but again, if you're Nathaniel Hackett,
like how how hot is that seat right now? Well?
And there are a couple of pieces to it. I
mean the first thing you know, Brady with with Bradley
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Chubb would be the contract situation. And if you don't
think you're going to be able to lock him up
long term and somebody comes to you with a high
with a couple of high picks and you're already lacking
picks now because of the Russell Wilson trade, right you
don't have a one or two next year. That's where
you would think about it, you know. Um, Now, I
would argue, you know, with the contract you did for
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Russell Wilson, you're in a win now spot and you've
got a bunch of win now players, so um, you
know that that's sort of I think where that would be.
It's like, what do you think about your ability to
sign Bradley Chuff long term? Is it gonna work there? Um?
And if you don't, you know, I could see where
maybe you would consider, if it was a huge offer,
where you might do it. Um. You know. As for
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Nathaniel Hackett's job security. I I think he's a really
good coach. I think he's an impossible situation because new
owners came in, they have no investment in him, they
didn't hire him. They've got I mean, I mean literally
like some of the deepest pockets in the country. Right
it's the Waltons so like, and you know, if you
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look at like the different pieces they've got in place,
like Nathaniel Hackett and George Peyton the general manager. You know, again,
the guys who can be pretty good at those jobs
are movable pieces for you. Russell Wilson is an immovable piece.
And so if this doesn't work the rest of the
year and there's tension and you know, all this stuff
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you've given Russell, like you you can't kind of come
off of that position and you have to do something.
You know, maybe the contract that you eat is Nathaniel
Hackett's contract, especially if things are in a weird spot
between he and the quarterbacks. Um, it's just the problem here.
But the problem here, Brady is they're just so deeply
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invested in Russell. I mean, from the fact that the
guy's got his own office in the building to the
effect they've hired a bunch of his staff to work there.
I mean, it is, it is his operation, and um,
you know I I think it's really gonna be hard
for the organization anytime soon to detach itself from that.
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So really, you know, what they have to do here
is what's best for Russell Wilson, and um, you know,
if Russell Wilson can't be the player that he was
in Seattle three four years ago, well, God is that
a tough place to be And it's not great not
not a great place for people in the front officer
of coaching staff to be either, because you know, if
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his play doesn't get better, we know where the finger
is gonna be pointed. He's Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter
at the mm QBE. He can get about Twitter at
Albert Brier. Albert, we got about twenty seconds, but just
wanted to thank you, um for obviously popping on to
celebrate Brady Quinn's birthday. It means a lot to Brady
for the whole show that right, Happy birthday. Yeah, so
I just want to make sure of huh, just another day, Albert.
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I respect that somebody else had to tell me that though,
because I I think it's weird when any grown man
tells anybody it's their birthday. So I mean, I give
give give a shout out to Sea Brady for your birthday.
And also we're not telling anybody it's your birthday. Yeah,
I should have taken the day off so I don't
have to talk. I mean, it's either or celebrate Lonzo
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Ball's birthday. I mean they share birthday. So we're just
trying to uh, we're trying to figure out. You don't know,
don't you don't You guys think it's weird when when
a chrome man tells anybody else the birthdays. Yes, right,
it's I always forget Jonas every year, I forget Johnson's birthday,
always forgets mine. It's terrible, Albert, we appreciate it. We'll
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So we got another game coming up this weekend in London.
I think this is like what the third or fourth
who cares? It's the Denver Broncos and the Jacksonville Jaguars
who are going to be kicking off in London nine
thirty Eastern times, six thirty Pacific, uh, three thirty in
Hawaii coming up this Sunday morning. And um, you know,
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Russell Wilson has been dealing with you know, some injuries,
you know, some issues, some little little ailments here, and
he decided to share his recovery process while on a
long flight over to London and ended up breaking down
what the entire team was doing on this flight over
to London. Here was Ross, I don't really get jet
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legged too often, you know, I don't. I don't really
you know, I've traveled enough to to get you know,
kind of get my system down. But yeah, for me,
I was on the plane. It was eight hours flight
here as a was two hours. I was watching the film,
getting watching all the cutups and everything else. And then
for the next four hours I was doing treatment on
the plane. I was walking up and down the aisles.
Everybody was knocked out. I was doing high knees and
working on working on my legs and everything else, you know,
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make sure I'm ready to rock. So that was good.
And then the last two hours of the last hour
of that I watched I fell asleep for one hour
and I watched the film the rest. So I felt
it felt good to go once we got back. All Right,
this has got to be a troll job, right, I
don't know. I just if someone was doing high knees
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down an aisle and I got woke up because of that,
that like they would have to throw us both off
the plane because I would be fighting. That would that
would make me so annoyed. If I was sleeping on
a plane and someone woke me up doing high knees
down the aisle, Uh, I mean, are the I was
even wide enough to do high knees, probably in on
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one of them big big flights. It is. I went
over to London with the Broncos. I mean it's it's
a wide body chip but like they're not that wide man.
As far as the aisles, it just depends on what.
It depends on what cabin you're in. Mean we were,
we were in the bigger cabin. It's there's there's room
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where they wouldn't have to bother you. But because you
generally have pots and stuff anyway, if if they're on
that type of For me, the bigger issue here is
you're kind of saying I work harder than everyone. You know.
I I watched the film they were knocked out. I
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was there. I'm rehabbing there there everybody's knocked out. I
don't get jet lagged. I just get ready. I make
sure I'm ready to go while the guys are sleeping.
Like the innocent part of me says, the dude is
an innocent dude that that truly has a mindset and
a folk it's to be a leader to protect his flock.
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He's like almost like a pastor, Like he comes across
to me like he belongs in a poolpit and and
sometimes when you're as talented and as accomplished as as
someone as Russell Wilson and such a public figure, and
and then the decisions you know, like you marry uh
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a freaking amazing uh you know, performer, and and you
know just I mean, she's you know, she's desirable by
the masses. So when you put all of those things together,
when you're when you're trying to come across as a
consummate professional, uh a leader of of men, and it
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comes across the way that it's come across from from
Russ it's just it just seems like it's an easy target.
But now it's just it's dangerous. He's flirting dangerously with
he's being he's being dangerous, saying he is danger Russ
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Lee getting close. Yeah, he's getting close. There's there's there's
two there's two possibilities here. Either this is a giant
troll job and he's just busting everybody's balls, or he's
one of the biggest tools walk in the face of
the earth right now, Okay, okay, aggressive or not? Come on, man,
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why do why do you need to do? First of all,
why do you need to tell anybody what the breakdown
of your sleep to work out ratio and when you
were doing it on the flight, why and why do
you have to point out that everybody else is sleeping
while you're doing high knees. He's trying too hard, But
I think he didn't want people to feel as though
he was bothering anyone while he was doing what he
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was doing, you know, like he I think he had
analyzes and comes out with antidotes in the way they
make sense to him. And and I mean, I I
just don't think he's malicious in what he's doing, even
though it comes across as arrogant and self absorbed. I
don't know malicious, but but it's still happening. Well, that
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is very true. Like like there's you know, there's a
lot of bad people out there that don't realize what
they're doing is bad. I'm not saying he's a bad guy,
but like he's just he's he's making it worse. Like
if you're one of those guys and you see hear
those comments and you're like you're on his team, aren't
you thinking to yourself like why what are you doing? Dude?
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Like why is this even why? Why is this even
a conversation? Even a conversation. Yeah, like, but I mean,
but again, he wants to have opinions. He wants people
to it's important to him, seemingly from my perspective, for
people to to know who he is, you know, know, know,
how he handles things, have a connection. It's important to
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him to humanize himself to the people that are paying
attention to him. For all the people that think, you know,
you know, self absorbed, arrogant, this and another. There are
a ton of people that think that it's like, that's
the way it should be, you know, that's that's how
you should handle it, or you know what a great
example of of a person. And and and I don't
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I don't know that they're wrong. He's just corny, you know,
he's just it's just really what it comes down to
is he's corny as hell. And and and in the end,
it seems like he's probably a good dude. And if
you know him, or if you met him, I would
assume that you like him. He's a good dude. But
he's corny, like he's the he's the antithesis. He's the
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opposite end of the spectrum of you know, of other guys.
And and that's He's not really relatable to a lie
to like I would say a lot of pros and
that might be a generalization, And I apologize if I've
offended anyone who may air this that plays in the
pros and may relate totally to Russell Wilson. But I
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think he's not relatable and trying to be relatable, I
think he comes across is unrelated. I don't relate. Here's
the Here's the question, though, has it always been like this?
Because it seems like it's over this past off season
into this season where all of this has come out.
Is it the fact? That question is the fact that
he he was like this but no one knew about
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it because he was in the Pacific Northwest and you
don't get the same national attention. Is it because of
you know, and and then being that Denver media market
and now he's more in the spotlight with all these
primetime games and different things going on. Is it what
he feels like he needs to be now that he's
in that position, and so he's changed his demeanor, Like
That's That's what I want to know, because again, the
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the attention and the criticism or however you want to
describe the coverage of him. It has changed drastically over
the course of the past year, where now he's he's
being criticized, he's being poked fun at, he's being looked
at as corny, like I don't know that people were
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saying that during his time in Seattle. Maybe some of
the players in the locker room were with some of
the stuff they saw, But you know, my experience being
around him and knowing him was he's a good guy.
He's a good dude who just has that mindset of
this is what I need to do in order to
be successful. And we live in a society where you
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can look on social media, you can look anywhere you want,
especially when you're a prominent figure, to hear someone talk
poorly about you, like if you want to buy into that,
feed into that. But he doesn't want to hear it.
He doesn't want to hear that, and he doesn't want
to have to It's not it's just it's just I
have to he you know, he doesn't believe in looking
or feeding into that. You know, he believes in keeping
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everything positive, keeping everything focused, keeping everything on a goal
or a task at hand, and there's something to be
commendable for that because it seems robotic. It doesn't seem,
like you said, relatable. But how a lot of people
like kind of talked about him was like it was
just robotic, like he would get in a routine and
that was his process and that's what he would do
every day. But I'll be honest with you, for some
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people like they love that, like like if you're an
owner of a company, you love that out of an
employee when you know what to expect every single day
out of that person. They come in and they're they're
the exact same way positive person like that, or if
it's a teammate something like that. So that That's what
I want to know though, is just how it changed
over the course of the past like eight to ten months,
where now he's he's being characterized completely different than how
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I think a lot of people looked at him in Seattle.
Do you when do you guys think the criticism started?
Is it based upon their lack of success for his
lack of success? When when do we think it started?
To me, I feel like it might have started. It
might have started coming to the surface when you had
guys like beloved players from Seattle who said they didn't
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fool with him and trying to put them out there
like that. I think that's when we first started hearing stories.
It was Seth Wickersham of ESPN did a big long
article about some of the I don't know if in
mistrust or whatever from the organization and players on the team,
most notably the legion of Boom guys who felt like
Pete Carroll gave Russell Wilson preferential treatment and that that
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was from years and years ago. And then you just
sort of see how this all played out, and then
you see how Pete Carroll is all of a sudden
buddy buddy with all these former Seahawks players, And I
just wonder if maybe Pete Carroll looks at it and says,
maybe those guys, yeah, those guys are right, Maybe maybe
I shouldn't have given preferential treatment. And there was like
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a lot of people and I don't know if if
this is true, but a lot of people think that
the reason why they threw that ball from the one
yard line in the Super Bowl is because they wanted
to establish Russell Wilson is the yeah, instead of just
giving it to Marshal, they wanted him to win I
don't know if that's true. That's just there's no truth
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that dude. I mean, you were making that decision in seconds.
You really think the headset, they're like, all right, boys,
this is the moment, let's go get him the m
v P. Let's do I mean, come on, a lot
of people talked about they wanted it to be Russell
Wilson's his his super Bowl. I mean that doesn't matter.
I mean, come on, you call defense. Does that thought
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ever in your head going and going through your mind
in a huge moment, a critical moment. This is like
a blowout where you're like, hey, let's go get that
guy's stats, right, or let's go do this to kind
of showcase this player. You're talking about a critical moment
of the game. Management. I'm always playing to win. I'm
always playing win. But with that being said, I'm not
attached to millions of dollars either. I'm not. I'm not
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attached to, you know, ticket sales. I'm not attached to
Jersey sales or whatever else sales that come along with
having franchise players, whether and and most specifically your quarterbacks position.
I don't I would say I I one percent agree
with you that they're not like, Okay, this is the
Super Bowl bit moment, it is the Patriots, let's put
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the ball in and rest his hands. But I will
say this. I also will say, if I'm dialing up
a blitz and the game is on the line, I'm
blitzing my best player, like I'm sending my best guy.
So if I'm putting the play that I'm dialing up
on on any of my personnel that's in the game,
I am one saying this. They thought their best chance
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was throwing right there with Russell. And by the way,
if that play, the biggest issue with that play is
the fact that they ran it from shotgun. If he's
under center, the balls in his hands, quicker, it's out
of his hand, Quicker, Malcolm Butler never has the chance
to break it up intercept it like that was all
because it's the look that if you want to run
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that play, that's the look you're looking for. You're literally
looking for that specific But you know it's a rout.
It was a route route, I believe right listen, it's
it's a chance of error if if he if if
Malcolm Butler doesn't make that play, doesn't doesn't adjust that way,
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that's an easy six points. I mean, that's a go
to play because it's very difficult in man, they knew
they were going to play man coverage. It's a very
difficult route to play, especially in short yardage situations because
it's a very quick developing play. So the margin of
error in that and that uh, in that moment is
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is very slim. It was. It was an amazing play.
It was a phenomenal play by a player. Just sometimes
it goes that way. Sometimes it doesn't mean that one
yard and that one play was a difference between a
dynasty in one direction or the other. Because I would
have been back to back Super Bowls for Seattle and
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then that was the first one in a long time
for New England and they went on to win a few.
So I just it's it's wild the things that it is. Unlimited. Yeah,
you gotta be unlimited, man of the people. You just
I mean, down to earth. You know, I'm a great
football player. You know, I know I've been great. I
know I will be great and I'll continue to be great.
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Just one of the guys, you know, just one of
the guys high knees on a plane. You don't get
that contract and Sierra being an average dude. So I
would if I'm Russ, I'm unapologetically going to be me
and tell everybody who feels a certain type of way
about me they can kiss my ass. That's what I
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would say. I mean, I'm pretty aggressive here, yeah, but
I mean I'm just saying you don't. You don't become
who he becomes off of off of being anything but
who he is. So, you know, the people that are
criticizing on personally, I think he's corny. But in the end,
I wasn't there with him when he was in Virginia
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when everything was getting started, or when he went to
the n C State and it didn't work out there,
when he went to Wisconsin and and revived his career
and ended up going to you know, to the to
the Seahawks and having the career that he had. I know,
people weren't there with him other than the people that
were there with him. So the people that know him,
I would assume, feel good about him, and really, in
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the end, as long as his support system supports him
the way that they do. God bless you know, and
good luck and enjoy your high knee actions and try
not to wake anybody up that would have to get
thrown off an airplane, Like if if he woke you up.
And by the way, by the way, if you've got
a problem, I mean you're okay with him doing high
knees and waking you up. They'll know I told you
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you got a problem with Russell Wilson. Just go to
his office and talk to him, all right. The door
is always open. Yeah, but you gotta talk. You gotta
make office hours, you gotta talk to his secretary. You
gotta get on his calendar. Yeah, I gotta make sure
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the way, that sounded different for some reason. I don't
know why. Yeah, you know, LaVar like, what sounded so
different about it? I don't know, man, it just sounded
like it was probably the better phone microphone placement. I
(01:06):
don't know. No, no, no, it wasn't the hyperphone. I
know what it is. What was it? What was it?
Because it's Brady's birthday, John snows, Joanna snows. I hate this.
Should just take it to down. That's my shot. Take it,
(01:33):
Mr Kicker. Actually it's kind of good for it? Does it? Does?
I'm mad he could sound like a woman better sing
like I had kicked me in before I recorded old man,
(01:56):
I should have taken today. I'll just to afford this. Yeah,
come on, not not a kid, not a cake guy.
Not a kid guy going going to uh going to dinner. Actually, um,
I will say this. So last night, um my, my
wife threw me like a bit of a kind of
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surprised dinner. But it got it got ruined, and it
was one of the funniest things because one of my friends,
who I mean, he's a great guy, and obviously he
had no clue it was a surprise, right like his
wife didn't tell him it was a surprise dinner. So
we pick up one of my buddies. He tells me like, oh, yeah,
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my wife is is going to meet us there. So
it's me and my wife and my buddy driving in
and as we park and get out of the car.
My other buddy's about, I don't know, fifty yards away,
and I'm literally closing the door. He goes, hey, hey, wait, hey,
hold on, hold on, and he's carrying a gift and
he goes keep it open, and I'm looking and I
see him and I'm like, okay, this is a it
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odd now, and now I'm starting to put two and
two together and go, oh, she's she's trying to throw
me like a surprised little dinner thing. That's why this
other buddies here right now. And so if it's awkward
because my wife doesn't know what to say, my buddy,
my other buddy who we drove with, is standing there.
He kind of starts to laugh, and I just I
don't really say anything because it's like the wheels are
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working in my head. I'm like okay. So then we
go into the restaurant and the guy who wins the restaurant,
Joyous Busy, was a great guy. He takes us to
like a four top. I'm like, well, I know, I'm
not just eating with my two buddies and my wife.
So he so he tries to kind of play it off,
and then we eventually walked to a back room where
everyone else was. So it was just one of those
things though, But it's it was so funny to me,
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and it was. It was awesome. It was a nice gesture,
but even better, even better than my buddy Nick, who
had just no idea whatsoever. Kind of ended up ruining
that surprise. But everyone everyone's got someone who does something
like that. No, no, awes, it was. It was hilarious
how it all happened, and he had no clue. So
it's just it was one of those things where it
was funny to see the reaction from his wife and
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him once he got into the room, because his wife
was already there obviously waiting. Well, hey, happy birthday and
happy birthday. A little Long Island and state college with
a candle sticking out of the top. What are we
thinking there, LaVar White Goblets. I mean, it's his birthday,
you know what I mean? So whatever he wants to
do and stay college, man, it will be given the
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fact that that's your trick of choice. Have you ever
done that, LaVar? What's that but Long Island? I don't
know that they've had a floater that was the candle
of the blow Outland and I think we were more
interested to getting to the fluid than um, you know,
worrying about a candle. Yeah, well yeah, there's uh well,
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you know you can't celebrate because we do have some
NFL action coming up later on tonight. How bad it
we got? We got a juicy matchup here, We got
the Ravens, we got the struggling Buccaneers. I think I
saw a statistic that Tampa Bay hasn't lost three straight
and over twenty years, if I'm not mistaken, which seemed
it seemed wrong. But I saw it somewhere and I thought,
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are they are they talking about like Tom Brady hasn't
lost three straight in twenty years? Like that? It just
it seemed wrong, but that was something that was thrown
out there. But nonetheless, it is the Ravens and the
Buccaneers in Tampa coming up later on tonight. For those
of you degenerate gamblers out there, And when we say
the word degenerate, we mean that in the politest, kindest
way possible. The Tampa Bay Buccaneers are a point and
(05:31):
half favorite at home on a short week against Lamar
Jackson and the Ravens. How we feel half, They're a
point and half favorite. Yeah, yeah, I'm not sure. It's
been kind of floating there a little bit. I think
it was one yesterday maybe, and then I'm gonna moved
it ticked up a little. Yeah, Baltimore is now the
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underdog on Thursday Night, which makes sense road team Thursday Night.
We've seen how that's played out historically on Thursday Night game.
But I'm a little surprised considering Tampa Bay's really banged
up and they have not looked good at all, and
it just it feels like this is a difficult spot.
But something tells me Tom Brady is gonna respond. Gut feeling. Yeah,
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gut feeling, I think Tom Brady respond lb J. No,
that's not listen live bet Jesus. I mean, you guys
have done all you can to try and bury him alive.
I just throw throw dirt on him, dollars. I mean,
it's a factive aggressive on the bath of lb J. Well, um, so,
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how how do we feel about this game? Though? Because
it's kind of a kind of an interesting spot for Tampa.
Who's got all sorts of noise and questions? Was was
last week? I'll pose the question this way? Was the
loss of Carolina rock bottom for this team. Uh, it's
hard not to feel that way. I mean, you were
taking on you know, p J. Walker, who's I guess
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a backup. I'm not even sure how you he might
be a third string if like Donald's healthy? Is Donald
the starter there in Carolina? Um? And so so there's
something to be said about that concidering they don't even
have a head coach. I think this game is important
for both teams though. If you look at Baltimore, they've
gotta they've got to start putting together some wins and
and in particular, Lamar's gonna start looking better a for
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that huge contract he's gonna sign, but be because Cincinnati
started has started to turn it on, and they've got
a divisional game this week to on Monday Night Football
against the Browns, and I suspect the Bengals, the way
they're playing, you're gonna take care of business. So if
if you look at where Baltimore is that if they
want to keep hanging around the division just for a
chance for winning it and even the playoff picture, they've
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got to start taking care of business with some of
these So, I mean, we could talk about Tampa and
what this game means to them. But let's be real.
I mean, they're they're winning the division right now at
three and four, like no one's running away with the
NFC South. So I don't know that it's his dire
that they get this win as compared to Baltimore starting
to stay up some wins right now. I'm glad you
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said it that way as well, because this is to me,
the first thing I thought about when I started looking
at the matchup was this is a prime um this
is a prime moment for a Lamar Jackson type esque
performance like and and maybe I don't know, maybe we
are at a point now where we're seeing the settling
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end to being what what it could possibly be and
it not not being. So I don't know, like big
play driven by Lamar Jackson, you know, where where you
see the who all type of plays more than you know,
more than two or three times during maybe a half
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of football. You know, maybe that's where we're getting to.
Maybe he's adjusting and adapting to being, you know, a
quarterback that throws the ball more. I don't I don't know,
but I feel like this is one of those types
of games where if he takes off and runs. It's
okay to to be okay with him taking off and running,
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you know, being being more of a playmaker versus you know,
trying to to to just dink and dunk. And I
feel like he's been dinking and dunking to his tight
end the entire season, and it hasn't been any real
like electrifying breakout moments that that we've seen from him
this this year. This to me, this one, this one
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kind of builds up to be that moment for you
to say on Amazon Prime, here comes Lamar Jackson and
here come those Baltimore Ravens. I mean, I'll put it
this with the last three games, he's completed under six
percent of his passes. He hasn't passed for more than
two ten yards and that was a couple of couple
of weeks ago. And he's throwing two touchdown passes the
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two interceptions in the last three games. It's been a
very and and really going back past that, like he's
only thrown over three yards once this season. He started
off like if you just if you looked at his
first three weeks, he threw tent and touchdown. Since then,
like he's he's got a higher interception to touchdown ratio,
and it just hasn't looked the same. And they've been
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there like epitome of roller coaster one one lost one, one,
one lost one. Cleveland did not look pretty at all. Um,
you know the Browns and Cade York in that whole situation,
and I I don't know, man, it has not looked
like I thought it was gonna look. I was. I
liked the idea of Lamar Jackson coming in, betting on
himself and just running away and getting a brand new contract.
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Maybe that plays out if they win some games in
the postseason, But at this point, I don't think he's
proven anything on his side as far as deserving of
that Deshaun Watson type two thirty million dollar guarantee contract
or that he's gonna get it. It just it feels
like he's in a tough spot. It always feels that
like they're lacking on something. I mean, Roshote Bateman obviously
has has come along, and he's a piece that I
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think they're gonna have to rely on heavily to be
that wide receiver. That's I mean, it's one of the
reasons why they wins signed to Sean Jackson right, they
need some sort of speed there. And the answers was
held without a catch in last week's game, and he's
been like the number one target for him. So to
your point, it always feels like there's something missing in
the passing game. But I also don't know that you
ever kind of squarely point to Lamar and say, oh,
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it's him. It always feels like, personnel wise, there's something
missing with this team, at least for him to throw too.
And I don't look again, I don't know if it'll
ever be solved. You know, I'm not sure if that's
something you're ever going to figure out, but uh, that
they have not been able to throw the football consistently, well,
at least the last three maybe you'd say the last
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four weeks. You know that he's been efficient, you know,
going back to like that Buffalo loss, But outside of that,
I mean, I don't know, man, it's just it's been
hard to kind of scratch your head. But that's been
his career so far. Is you're always saying it's always
something else in events. You're like, well, he is the
one consistent piece in this offense that just hasn't been
consistent passing. He's really fun to watch them. Man, it's
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gonna be it's gonna be fun to see how it
shakes out tonight. And then you get Tom Brady and
that whole drama and we get to see, uh, what
sort of interactions he has with his offensive lineman and
people are gonna overreact to do you think Antonio Brown
tweets during the game tonight she might show up. Yeah,
that's a good point. You know, you might see him
around point de robed. Yeah, gosh shirt, which is there's
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a lot of woman, there's a lot of a lot
of potential there for some chaos. So they be this.
Do do you think it's the off the field stuff
is playing a role in tom Brady's performance? I do too.
It's it's it's hard not it's hard not to acknowledge
that because and people will be like, oh, he's a
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public figure. They're used to it. Yeah, you're used to
that when things are going well. You're used to it
when the bad stuff starts coming out. But even if
you're dealing with bad stuff, the bad stuff personally that
he's dealing with, nobody's going to be used to that,
you know, You're not like when you're talking about family
issues and then those those issues become public the whoa,
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he's oh my gosh, I mean all you said it yesterday,
Like whether or not there is anything they're legitimately with
Antonio Brown and Gizelle, it's it's still got a sting
just to here that. Yeah, think about I mean, come on, man,
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we're all married here. Could you imagine somebody that you
befriended the way Tom Brady did doing some stuff like
that and then he was in your house? So then
so no matter how, no matter how secure you are
as a man, in the back of your mind, you're like,
hold up, did I miss something there that Trojan horses?
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And and if I did miss it, did he really
forget his phone at house when he went back one day?
Phone he was he was staying there. That was Jeter spot.
That place is so big they got a west wing that, like,
you know, Antonio Brown could be there and no one
would know. All I'm saying is, even if I'm Tom Brady,
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I might feel like, well a certain type of way,
you know, and I ain't no killer, But don't push me,
you know what I mean. Like that's the one violation
that it's that's a hard one like that is a
hard violation even too, even to post that and insinuate
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that that is a hard pill to swallow. So whether
anything and listen that that is what it is. You know,
that's that's out of my range. But for him to
do that, that's definitely a distraction. The whole world consumed it.
It's also like, wouldn't they hear your stories about how
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committed Brady is to the football season and it's rehab
and all in the preparation for games. There has to
be at some point conversations he's got to have with
his kids trying to explain to them what's going on. Uh,
like maybe they're seeing stuff for you know, somebody in
schools sending him stuff for making comments. He's got to
address all that. He does feel like yeah, I mean yeah,
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I mean that had to have flying off, flying off
the shelves U And I mean, you know, school kids
are are brutal, ruthless, they're brutal. So so there's no
telling how deep that rabbit hole went has gone for
some of his kids. Like that's just and and to
think like people would be like, oh, it would be
so great to be Tom Brady's kids. Well, maybe not
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in moments like these. No, you know, and that's said
because that's collateral damage, like the abs ignorant as think
about that before he did that. You know, those things
like that, Like those are the things that make you
like I don't care about you having antics that that
impact you personally, Like do you if you want to
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If you want to do that and and ruin your
reputation and ruin your own self image, that's on you.
If you want to be self you know, um, you know,
I don't know what it is self whatever. There you go,
that's what I'm looking for. If you want to do that,
you go right ahead. And and you know it's said
you want to try to help guys that are maybe
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crying out for help, But the moment they do something
like that, crying out for help to me kind of
like it's put to bed, like I don't feel sorry
for you now, and I don't. I'm not pulling for
you to get the help you need, you know what
I'm I'm pulling for you to shut up, like you
to stop, you know, you you to do something differently,
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you to take self accountability, because now you're impacting someone
that means more to me than what you do and
and my fellow man means a to me, But what
means more to me are the kids. So when kids
are impacted by things like that, you went wrong with
me and I think that that's where it went over
the line. So sorry for having a serious moment, but
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but it definitely true. It definitely could be playing a part.
And why Tom Brady, you know, may not be fully
doubt in or be playing at the highest level he
could be playing at. Yeah, I mean, I was gonna say, like,
my kids aren't to that age yet, Like they're at
that age where I'm just kind of joined the cuteness
of how small they are. Like my my daughter, my
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eldest had a They're like a book thing. They had
to go up on stage and dress up as a
character for a book. So she was dressed up like
a rabbit. She looked she honestly looked like the kid
from the Christmas Story. And the worst is like it
was it was kind of warm out and so she's
got this like it's like a fleece rabbit jumpsuit on
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and she's just sweating. I felt so bad for um.
But she went up on stage and did a thing.
But I was kinda think of myself, man like in
that moment, you have all these emotions of like just
how proud you are and how happen all that. I
could only imagine, like the day it comes home when
someone says something they should not be saying, whether boy, girl, whatever,
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Like I would be on the war path, and so
I could only imagine, you know what that's like right
now dealing with that, you know, giving his kids. To
your point, LaVar, are old enough to be able to
see and hear and follow all that stuff. Yeah, it's brutal.
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(18:39):
Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app.
Right now, let's turn it over to Albert Brier, senior
NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him on
Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert, what's happening? How the hell's
your Thursday? Oh? Great, I guess congratulations are in order, right, LaVar? Right,
Oh well, thank you, thank you. That's right, big time.
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All right, all kidding aside, that's that's fantastic, that's very well,
the weekend of us playing your alma mater, and you know,
I have to maintain the belief that we can shock
the world. But you know, I'm glad you brought it up.
But Albert, I'll just get right to it. Um, like,
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just you know, your best guests here, do you believe
that this weekend Ohio State might be better than Penn
State by like, I don't know, more than fifteen and
a half points. Do you think that that's that's going
to be? How this looks like? You know, you know,
I I always you know, I always love when you
pull these numbers out of the year. Jones, I, Um,
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you know, I think Penn State has always been almost
like invariably over the last I think, if you look
like since James Franklin has been there, at least for
one reason or another, Penn State give us a hard
time than anybody else. So I don't know why it
is they almost never win, but it's usually it's usually
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like a really tough no, but it's true. It's usually
a tough competitive game. And again, like and I think
part of it's like they're closer in talent than than
most other teams in the conference. That's obviously a part
of it. But like if you look at it, like
even like Michigan, like the Michigan games are way more
lopsided than the tense State games. So I would say
fifteen is probably right around the number. You know, I
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would say, uh, I would say, maybe this is a
stay away week, Jonas if you're talking about ahead and
drop that down here. Alright, very good, that's good. Was
happening in New England right now? Um, it's I mean, Brady, Honestly,
it's messy. I I don't you know. I I I
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think part of it is um kind of the off
season Mac hat and kind of who Mac is as
a player. And I don't know if you know you
guys have been around him at all, but Mac had
this reputation at Alabama, and you know, I think he
carried over to New England. He's a big, y guy.
He wants to know why you're doing everything. It's part
of what makes him really good as a quarterback. Um,
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you know. But I think there was a lot of
questioning of things that we're going on there, whether it's
the choice of coaches on the offensive side of the ball,
the lack of a run, that they the lack of
a run and Bill O'Brien um to replace Josh McDaniels,
the fact that they were sort of reconstructing the offense
and not building on what he did as a rookie. Um,
you know, there definitely was friction there, and then there
was friction over the handling of the injury injury too,
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and whether or not he was going to get the
tight rope surgery. And so I think all that sort
of played into the way things played out, you know,
over the last three or four weeks, where Bill basically
refused to say when he's healthy, he's getting his job back.
And then Zappy started playing well, and I think that
only so that that only further complicated it, and that
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all came to a head on Monday night when um, yes,
you know, it's part of the plan to play both guys,
but it's like sort of like one of those if
it looks like a duck and it walks like a
duck at the duck type of things, right like if
that did that look like a benching, you know, and
then he comes out like right after he throws a pick,
and then they don't put him back in. You know,
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It's just it was a weird situation that way, and
I think because of all the things leading up to it, um,
the the situation between team and quarterback was already a
little bit sideways, um, you know, and I think it
left a lot of the other players in that locker
room confused over where where things stand. And so um,
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you know, I'll be interested to see what happens when
Bill talks today because I think it would behoove the
Patriots to you know, have sort of a united front
behind Mac Jones now going forward and let everybody know
who their quarterback is. Um. But we've certainly seen in
the past where you know, Bill has refused, refused to
do these sorts of things to try to motivate or
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push players. It just it just keeps popping up to
me that it's how related Albert Like, Yeah, Belichick is
thick and how he does his his interviews, and I
get that, but he's also sensible and if you're listening
to him, it almost sounds as though he's telling you
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and his short answers that we're going to wait and
see if Mac is healthy enough to do it. One
interception that's not that's not sensible to say I'm gonna
take you out bench you because you threw one interception
and that's why you're coming out. There has to be
something more to this. Yeah, I you know what LaVar
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and I you know, it's interesting. I talked to a
couple of Bears coaches afterwards and and you guys know this,
like teams watched the other team in the warmups to Monday. Yeah,
see how how how players are moving around and stuff,
and um, you know, I know, talking to some of
the Bears coaches afterwards, they watched Mac and warmups and
they said he wasn't moving town great. And then you know,
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one of them pointed out to me, Now, Mac did
run a couple of times, but Mac has done things
in the past where it almost was like he's proved
trying to prove a point with what he does. Like
when Kendrick Borne, you know, who's you know, one of
the best receivers, uh, you know, was sort of in
a weird spot with the coaches earlier in the year
and wasn't playing very much. When he get in the lineup,
like Mac almost immediately would go to him with the
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ball almost right away, as if to send a message
to the coaches like keep this guy in here. I
want this guy in the game. Um. And I think
you know you sort of saw that on Monday night too,
like where he ran a couple of times early in
that game, almost as if to say, I'm healthy. But
when I you know, again talking to the Bears coaches
about this, there was a stack that Mac took where
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you know, like they were saying, like he moved forward fine,
but the way he's moving laterally wasn't great. And there
was a stack he took in the game where they
said that like it almost looked like a crumbled and
you know they were sort of wondering, is that when
the Patriots were like, oh, you know, like maybe he
shouldn't be out there. So you know, it's certainly possible
what you're saying with our is the case where they
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you know, maybe got it in the game and looked
at him and said, you know, maybe he can't send
for himself that you know he's that great. Uh, it's
it's a drop we play Albert when Carl Lewis realizes, Yeah,
when Carl Lewis realizes he's not performing well, it's kind
of an uh oh moment. Yeah, I miss that. I
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missed that, But no, no, no. All I was saying
was like, just you know, it's it's interesting because he
had those moments on Monday night. But then you know,
the flip side of it is that, you know, on
Wednesday yesterday, he's not on the injury report at all,
you know, and generally, like if a guy is banged
up on a Monday night, they aren't magically going to
like just completely be healed and off the off the
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injury report altogether on Wednesday. So the whole thing is
sort of weird. It's Albert Brier joining us here on
Fox Sports Radio, senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. Can
get him on Twitter at Albert Brier. So we saw
a trade done yesterday. Obviously we talked to about the
McCaffrey deal. Last week, we saw the Robert Quinn trade done.
He's now a Philadelphia Eagle for a fourth round pick
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from the Bears. Um, what is the biggest potential trade
that is being rumored out there from people you've talked to? Well,
I think the Bears are going to get some more
calls on their veteran defensive players. So, um, Eddie Jackson
Roe Kuwan Smith, Like, I think you're gonna hear teams
are going to make calls on them, um the you know,
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the Broncos if they lose on Sunday and in um
in h in London. I certainly think, you know, Bradley
Chubb is going to be a name that you're gonna
hear a lot, you know, and he's in a contract
here do they move Bradley Chubb, Who's you know, a
young premier pass rusher if you're another team, if you're
another team, like you know, he's a guy who you
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can put the franchise tag on and signed to a
long term deal if you if you're able to acquire him.
The Carolina guys, you know, I don't think they're trading
any of their young players, but they'll certainly get calls
on guys like you know, Brian Burns and d J.
Moore and Derek Brown and J. C. Horne. Um. Again,
I think that they'd rather keep those guys um barring
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like a you know, somebody bringing King's ransom for one
of them. The team to me that I think it's
going to sort of be the interesting one to watch
is the Indianapolis Colts. Um and you see what they've
done and is going to Sam Allinger. And I know
some people who know Jim or say pretty well, who
have you know watched all of this over the last
couple of days and seeing how he kind of pushed
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the button on them making the quarterback switch. And I
know there are at least a couple of people convinced
that the reason he did this is he's sick of
the quarterback care so and he wants them to find
a younger quarterback, and like by putting Sam Ellinger in there,
this goes one of two ways. This either you have
a revelation and a guy they really like in the
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building but might be a little physically limited and Sam
Ellinger and if it works great, If it doesn't, you're
going to be one of the worst teams in the
league and maybe you're picking high next year and then
you can get one of the quarterbacks in the draft.
And so that puts the Colts in a really interesting
spot ahead of the trade deadline where if you're another team,
now do you look at them and do you say,
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do we make a phone call and see if Michael
Pittman or Bobbioka, Ricki or DeForest available yeah, as I
love Bobby. Let me ask you this, Albert, you want
to go back to the Broncos. Not so much about
Russell Wilson doing high knees down the aisle of the
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plan though, I'm would you guys be weirded out of you?
Would you guys be weird out if you woke up
on a team flight you saw the quarterback going down
the aisle doing the high knees. I think that that's
the first sign on a plane that I would think like, oh,
our team's got some issues. Like if that's what we're
focused on right now, we've got some problems. UM. I
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do want to ask you about Nathaniel Hackett because you're
talking about, well if if they lose this one in London, uh,
and there are an underdog I believe you know, they start,
you know, peeling off pieces like Bradley Chubb, who's a
good player. I kind of look at it. Think their
defense is the only thing that's kept them in games
this year. How how could you move on from a
guy you drafted that's that's looking to be the part
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right now, especially if you're George Payton, if you're Nathaniel Hackett,
like that's a piece that I probably don't want to
part ways with. And I but again, if you're Nathaniel Hackett,
like how how hot is that seat right now? Well?
And there are a couple of pieces to it. I
mean the first thing you know, Brady with with Bradley
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Chubb would be the contract situation. And if you don't
think you're going to be able to lock him up
long term and somebody comes to you with a high
with a couple of high picks and you're already lacking
picks now because of the Russell Wilson trade, right you
don't have a one or two next year. That's where
you would think about it, you know. Um, Now, I
would argue, you know, with the contract you did for
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Russell Wilson, you're in a win now spot and you've
got a bunch of win now players, so um, you
know that that's sort of I think where that would be.
It's like, what do you think about your ability to
sign Bradley Chuff long term? Is it gonna work there? Um?
And if you don't, you know, I could see where
maybe you would consider, if it was a huge offer,
where you might do it. Um. You know. As for
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Nathaniel Hackett's job security. I I think he's a really
good coach. I think he's an impossible situation because new
owners came in, they have no investment in him, they
didn't hire him. They've got I mean, I mean literally
like some of the deepest pockets in the country. Right
it's the Waltons so like, and you know, if you
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look at like the different pieces they've got in place,
like Nathaniel Hackett and George Peyton the general manager. You know, again,
the guys who can be pretty good at those jobs
are movable pieces for you. Russell Wilson is an immovable piece.
And so if this doesn't work the rest of the
year and there's tension and you know, all this stuff
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you've given Russell, like you you can't kind of come
off of that position and you have to do something.
You know, maybe the contract that you eat is Nathaniel
Hackett's contract, especially if things are in a weird spot
between he and the quarterbacks. Um, it's just the problem here.
But the problem here, Brady is they're just so deeply
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invested in Russell. I mean, from the fact that the
guy's got his own office in the building to the
effect they've hired a bunch of his staff to work there.
I mean, it is, it is his operation, and um,
you know I I think it's really gonna be hard
for the organization anytime soon to detach itself from that.
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So really, you know, what they have to do here
is what's best for Russell Wilson, and um, you know,
if Russell Wilson can't be the player that he was
in Seattle three four years ago, well, God is that
a tough place to be And it's not great not
not a great place for people in the front officer
of coaching staff to be either, because you know, if
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his play doesn't get better, we know where the finger
is gonna be pointed. He's Albert Brier, senior NFL reporter
at the mm QBE. He can get about Twitter at
Albert Brier. Albert, we got about twenty seconds, but just
wanted to thank you, um for obviously popping on to
celebrate Brady Quinn's birthday. It means a lot to Brady
for the whole show that right, Happy birthday. Yeah, so
I just want to make sure of huh, just another day, Albert.
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I respect that somebody else had to tell me that though,
because I I think it's weird when any grown man
tells anybody it's their birthday. So I mean, I give
give give a shout out to Sea Brady for your birthday.
And also we're not telling anybody it's your birthday. Yeah,
I should have taken the day off so I don't
have to talk. I mean, it's either or celebrate Lonzo
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Ball's birthday. I mean they share birthday. So we're just
trying to uh, we're trying to figure out. You don't know,
don't you don't You guys think it's weird when when
a chrome man tells anybody else the birthdays. Yes, right,
it's I always forget Jonas every year, I forget Johnson's birthday,
always forgets mine. It's terrible, Albert, we appreciate it. We'll
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So we got another game coming up this weekend in London.
I think this is like what the third or fourth
who cares? It's the Denver Broncos and the Jacksonville Jaguars
who are going to be kicking off in London nine
thirty Eastern times, six thirty Pacific, uh, three thirty in
Hawaii coming up this Sunday morning. And um, you know,
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Russell Wilson has been dealing with you know, some injuries,
you know, some issues, some little little ailments here, and
he decided to share his recovery process while on a
long flight over to London and ended up breaking down
what the entire team was doing on this flight over
to London. Here was Ross, I don't really get jet
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legged too often, you know, I don't. I don't really
you know, I've traveled enough to to get you know,
kind of get my system down. But yeah, for me,
I was on the plane. It was eight hours flight
here as a was two hours. I was watching the film,
getting watching all the cutups and everything else. And then
for the next four hours I was doing treatment on
the plane. I was walking up and down the aisles.
Everybody was knocked out. I was doing high knees and
working on working on my legs and everything else, you know,
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make sure I'm ready to rock. So that was good.
And then the last two hours of the last hour
of that I watched I fell asleep for one hour
and I watched the film the rest. So I felt
it felt good to go once we got back. All Right,
this has got to be a troll job, right, I
don't know. I just if someone was doing high knees
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down an aisle and I got woke up because of that,
that like they would have to throw us both off
the plane because I would be fighting. That would that
would make me so annoyed. If I was sleeping on
a plane and someone woke me up doing high knees
down the aisle, Uh, I mean, are the I was
even wide enough to do high knees, probably in on
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one of them big big flights. It is. I went
over to London with the Broncos. I mean it's it's
a wide body chip but like they're not that wide man.
As far as the aisles, it just depends on what.
It depends on what cabin you're in. Mean we were,
we were in the bigger cabin. It's there's there's room
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where they wouldn't have to bother you. But because you
generally have pots and stuff anyway, if if they're on
that type of For me, the bigger issue here is
you're kind of saying I work harder than everyone. You know.
I I watched the film they were knocked out. I
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was there. I'm rehabbing there there everybody's knocked out. I
don't get jet lagged. I just get ready. I make
sure I'm ready to go while the guys are sleeping.
Like the innocent part of me says, the dude is
an innocent dude that that truly has a mindset and
a folk it's to be a leader to protect his flock.
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He's like almost like a pastor, Like he comes across
to me like he belongs in a poolpit and and
sometimes when you're as talented and as accomplished as as
someone as Russell Wilson and such a public figure, and
and then the decisions you know, like you marry uh
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a freaking amazing uh you know, performer, and and you
know just I mean, she's you know, she's desirable by
the masses. So when you put all of those things together,
when you're when you're trying to come across as a
consummate professional, uh a leader of of men, and it
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comes across the way that it's come across from from
Russ it's just it just seems like it's an easy target.
But now it's just it's dangerous. He's flirting dangerously with
he's being he's being dangerous, saying he is danger Russ
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Lee getting close. Yeah, he's getting close. There's there's there's
two there's two possibilities here. Either this is a giant
troll job and he's just busting everybody's balls, or he's
one of the biggest tools walk in the face of
the earth right now, Okay, okay, aggressive or not? Come on, man,
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why do why do you need to do? First of all,
why do you need to tell anybody what the breakdown
of your sleep to work out ratio and when you
were doing it on the flight, why and why do
you have to point out that everybody else is sleeping
while you're doing high knees. He's trying too hard, But
I think he didn't want people to feel as though
he was bothering anyone while he was doing what he
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was doing, you know, like he I think he had
analyzes and comes out with antidotes in the way they
make sense to him. And and I mean, I I
just don't think he's malicious in what he's doing, even
though it comes across as arrogant and self absorbed. I
don't know malicious, but but it's still happening. Well, that
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is very true. Like like there's you know, there's a
lot of bad people out there that don't realize what
they're doing is bad. I'm not saying he's a bad guy,
but like he's just he's he's making it worse. Like
if you're one of those guys and you see hear
those comments and you're like you're on his team, aren't
you thinking to yourself like why what are you doing? Dude?
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Like why is this even why? Why is this even
a conversation? Even a conversation. Yeah, like, but I mean,
but again, he wants to have opinions. He wants people
to it's important to him, seemingly from my perspective, for
people to to know who he is, you know, know, know,
how he handles things, have a connection. It's important to
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him to humanize himself to the people that are paying
attention to him. For all the people that think, you know,
you know, self absorbed, arrogant, this and another. There are
a ton of people that think that it's like, that's
the way it should be, you know, that's that's how
you should handle it, or you know what a great
example of of a person. And and and I don't
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I don't know that they're wrong. He's just corny, you know,
he's just it's just really what it comes down to
is he's corny as hell. And and and in the end,
it seems like he's probably a good dude. And if
you know him, or if you met him, I would
assume that you like him. He's a good dude. But
he's corny, like he's the he's the antithesis. He's the
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opposite end of the spectrum of you know, of other guys.
And and that's He's not really relatable to a lie
to like I would say a lot of pros and
that might be a generalization, And I apologize if I've
offended anyone who may air this that plays in the
pros and may relate totally to Russell Wilson. But I
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think he's not relatable and trying to be relatable, I
think he comes across is unrelated. I don't relate. Here's
the Here's the question, though, has it always been like this?
Because it seems like it's over this past off season
into this season where all of this has come out.
Is it the fact? That question is the fact that
he he was like this but no one knew about
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it because he was in the Pacific Northwest and you
don't get the same national attention. Is it because of
you know, and and then being that Denver media market
and now he's more in the spotlight with all these
primetime games and different things going on. Is it what
he feels like he needs to be now that he's
in that position, and so he's changed his demeanor, Like
That's That's what I want to know, because again, the
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the attention and the criticism or however you want to
describe the coverage of him. It has changed drastically over
the course of the past year, where now he's he's
being criticized, he's being poked fun at, he's being looked
at as corny, like I don't know that people were
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saying that during his time in Seattle. Maybe some of
the players in the locker room were with some of
the stuff they saw, But you know, my experience being
around him and knowing him was he's a good guy.
He's a good dude who just has that mindset of
this is what I need to do in order to
be successful. And we live in a society where you
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can look on social media, you can look anywhere you want,
especially when you're a prominent figure, to hear someone talk
poorly about you, like if you want to buy into that,
feed into that. But he doesn't want to hear it.
He doesn't want to hear that, and he doesn't want
to have to It's not it's just it's just I
have to he you know, he doesn't believe in looking
or feeding into that. You know, he believes in keeping
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everything positive, keeping everything focused, keeping everything on a goal
or a task at hand, and there's something to be
commendable for that because it seems robotic. It doesn't seem,
like you said, relatable. But how a lot of people
like kind of talked about him was like it was
just robotic, like he would get in a routine and
that was his process and that's what he would do
every day. But I'll be honest with you, for some
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people like they love that, like like if you're an
owner of a company, you love that out of an
employee when you know what to expect every single day
out of that person. They come in and they're they're
the exact same way positive person like that, or if
it's a teammate something like that. So that That's what
I want to know though, is just how it changed
over the course of the past like eight to ten months,
where now he's he's being characterized completely different than how
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I think a lot of people looked at him in Seattle.
Do you when do you guys think the criticism started?
Is it based upon their lack of success for his
lack of success? When when do we think it started?
To me, I feel like it might have started. It
might have started coming to the surface when you had
guys like beloved players from Seattle who said they didn't
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fool with him and trying to put them out there
like that. I think that's when we first started hearing stories.
It was Seth Wickersham of ESPN did a big long
article about some of the I don't know if in
mistrust or whatever from the organization and players on the team,
most notably the legion of Boom guys who felt like
Pete Carroll gave Russell Wilson preferential treatment and that that
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was from years and years ago. And then you just
sort of see how this all played out, and then
you see how Pete Carroll is all of a sudden
buddy buddy with all these former Seahawks players, And I
just wonder if maybe Pete Carroll looks at it and says,
maybe those guys, yeah, those guys are right, Maybe maybe
I shouldn't have given preferential treatment. And there was like
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a lot of people and I don't know if if
this is true, but a lot of people think that
the reason why they threw that ball from the one
yard line in the Super Bowl is because they wanted
to establish Russell Wilson is the yeah, instead of just
giving it to Marshal, they wanted him to win I
don't know if that's true. That's just there's no truth
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that dude. I mean, you were making that decision in seconds.
You really think the headset, they're like, all right, boys,
this is the moment, let's go get him the m
v P. Let's do I mean, come on, a lot
of people talked about they wanted it to be Russell
Wilson's his his super Bowl. I mean that doesn't matter.
I mean, come on, you call defense. Does that thought
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ever in your head going and going through your mind
in a huge moment, a critical moment. This is like
a blowout where you're like, hey, let's go get that
guy's stats, right, or let's go do this to kind
of showcase this player. You're talking about a critical moment
of the game. Management. I'm always playing to win. I'm
always playing win. But with that being said, I'm not
attached to millions of dollars either. I'm not. I'm not
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attached to, you know, ticket sales. I'm not attached to
Jersey sales or whatever else sales that come along with
having franchise players, whether and and most specifically your quarterbacks position.
I don't I would say I I one percent agree
with you that they're not like, Okay, this is the
Super Bowl bit moment, it is the Patriots, let's put
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the ball in and rest his hands. But I will
say this. I also will say, if I'm dialing up
a blitz and the game is on the line, I'm
blitzing my best player, like I'm sending my best guy.
So if I'm putting the play that I'm dialing up
on on any of my personnel that's in the game,
I am one saying this. They thought their best chance
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was throwing right there with Russell. And by the way,
if that play, the biggest issue with that play is
the fact that they ran it from shotgun. If he's
under center, the balls in his hands, quicker, it's out
of his hand, Quicker, Malcolm Butler never has the chance
to break it up intercept it like that was all
because it's the look that if you want to run
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that play, that's the look you're looking for. You're literally
looking for that specific But you know it's a rout.
It was a route route, I believe right listen, it's
it's a chance of error if if he if if
Malcolm Butler doesn't make that play, doesn't doesn't adjust that way,
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that's an easy six points. I mean, that's a go
to play because it's very difficult in man, they knew
they were going to play man coverage. It's a very
difficult route to play, especially in short yardage situations because
it's a very quick developing play. So the margin of
error in that and that uh, in that moment is
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is very slim. It was. It was an amazing play.
It was a phenomenal play by a player. Just sometimes
it goes that way. Sometimes it doesn't mean that one
yard and that one play was a difference between a
dynasty in one direction or the other. Because I would
have been back to back Super Bowls for Seattle and
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then that was the first one in a long time
for New England and they went on to win a few.
So I just it's it's wild the things that it is. Unlimited. Yeah,
you gotta be unlimited, man of the people. You just
I mean, down to earth. You know, I'm a great
football player. You know, I know I've been great. I
know I will be great and I'll continue to be great.
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Just one of the guys, you know, just one of
the guys high knees on a plane. You don't get
that contract and Sierra being an average dude. So I
would if I'm Russ, I'm unapologetically going to be me
and tell everybody who feels a certain type of way
about me they can kiss my ass. That's what I
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would say. I mean, I'm pretty aggressive here, yeah, but
I mean I'm just saying you don't. You don't become
who he becomes off of off of being anything but
who he is. So, you know, the people that are
criticizing on personally, I think he's corny. But in the end,
I wasn't there with him when he was in Virginia
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when everything was getting started, or when he went to
the n C State and it didn't work out there,
when he went to Wisconsin and and revived his career
and ended up going to you know, to the to
the Seahawks and having the career that he had. I know,
people weren't there with him other than the people that
were there with him. So the people that know him,
I would assume, feel good about him, and really, in
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the end, as long as his support system supports him
the way that they do. God bless you know, and
good luck and enjoy your high knee actions and try
not to wake anybody up that would have to get
thrown off an airplane, Like if if he woke you up.
And by the way, by the way, if you've got
a problem, I mean you're okay with him doing high
knees and waking you up. They'll know I told you
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you got a problem with Russell Wilson. Just go to
his office and talk to him, all right. The door
is always open. Yeah, but you gotta talk. You gotta
make office hours, you gotta talk to his secretary. You
gotta get on his calendar. Yeah, I gotta make sure
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