November 14, 2022 • 43 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jeff Saturday shuts up the critics by winning his first game as head coach. LaVar and Jonas debate whether or not the Cowboys are true contenders after their overtime loss to the Packers and they wonder how much sin city plays a role in the Raiders’ struggles.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with LaVar Area, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks on radio.
How about the Jeff Saturday era, LaVar Arrington, how about it?
How about a break out the Raiders or excuse me,
break out the Colts. Don't break out the Raiders, somebody breakers.
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Somebody should break in and do something about that. But
break out the Indianapolis Colts and Jeff Saturday straight from
a TV set all the way to Las Vegas and
they get it done. Congratulations? How about it? You know
Jim her say, had them really screwed the pooch? Now?
I mean he has. He has done some tremendously damaging
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things potentially to to how the National Football League does things.
And it's interesting. I was listening, like I'm a big
Bill Cower fan. I heard what Bill Coward had to
say about it, um and how he had to wait
his turn, and you know so many good you know coaches,
and listen, Bill Cower played football. There's a lot of
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guys that played football, um that ended up being coaches.
Mind you in in the pros, um. But I don't
think that there's ever been a real approach to players first, Like,
if you look at these coaches in the National Football League,
I don't know where the hell they've come from. I'll
look at them, I don't know, like like there's they're
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probably a coach's son. More often than not that end
up being coaches in the National Football League. I don't know,
Like a lot of these people, I don't know where
they came from. I don't know what they did. They're
not one of us. It's not like, Okay, there's Dion, Oh,
there's there's such and such, there's there's Campbell, Like I
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love that. It's almost an anomaly to say, wow, look
at look at Campbell's coaching that if it's him, And
I know who do Do Staley is? I know who
Aaron Glenn is, Like I know who these guys are
as coaches, But it's always been this thing like guys
are good enough to play the game, they're good, but
they're not good enough to transition into being coaches. Like
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you're not a coach. You know you're not gonna be
a head coach. And so for me, And again, I
don't place a color on that either. I think that
the color is your football player and you're and you know,
I don't see marquee, big name you know, players getting
opportunities to be head coaches, especially and in the way
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that that Jeff Saturday got his opportunity. So then I
saw was that Joe Thomas. I saw Joe Thomas's comments,
you know, and and how he said that, you know,
this is just this crazy, like you you hire your
drinking buddy, you know, like that's that's what it takes
to become a head coach these days. Like I don't
know why guys are hating on it. The first all,
A lot of my drinking buddies are really fun, So like,
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don't you want to have fun at your job? What's
are that? So I was just drinking buddy. Come on now,
I mean, if you're drinking buddy knows what he's doing.
Like just because he's your drinking buddy, Now there there's
a there's a problem with him being being you know,
up for the job, up for the task. I mean,
how many people were really sitting there hoping that that
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just Saturday would fail and and and those people honestly
should be ashamed of themselves. I really do believe that,
like you can have your opinions. But to think that
this this guy, he got an opportunity for one reason
or another, give him credit. Like I apparently he had
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turned down the job because he wanted to do TV
and wanted to spend time with his family. Apparently is
what was being is being reported because they had asked
him or taught to him a few times about being
an assistant on the staff and he didn't want to
be a lineman coach and assistant coach. He didn't basically
didn't want to do what everybody else was doing. But
he's been a consultant for him for a while now,
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like he would talk with him every week about offensive
line of Well, I mean, listen, you're an happy hour.
I mean, why not breakdown why Quentin Nelson's having a
down year? You know, while you're trying to get drink
specials in before they close happy hour. There's nothing wrong
with that. I just you know, for me, we can
get into all of the details as to what's wrong
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about what you think this is or why it's wrong.
But what we found out this weekend is, oh, wait,
all this stuff where you have to recycle it to
the same exact coaches, it has to go to the
same exactly, this coach failed here. Oh, but now he's
a head coach there. He didn't get an opportunity to
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be successful here as a head coach. Now he's a
head coach there. And it's the same people going to
the same like they're the same position. Head coach here,
head coach there. Here go be an assistant uh uh
an offensive coordinator for this year. Now you come back
and your your coach. Well, okay, how about there's a
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lot of people that want to coach that are really
really good coaches that coach high school football, they coach
youth league football, They try to get into college and
can't even really get into college and have an opportunity
to coach at the college level. I see so many
awesome coach like Achille Smith is one of the most
brilliant offensive minds that you'll ever come across. He's not
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getting any any uh and he looks Willie Anderson, He's
probably going to be a Hall of Famer. He's not
getting any looks. He's one of the best teachers and
coaches that you'll come across. He's not getting any looks.
T J. Hushmansatta is a fire like bro dude is
a freaking geek when it comes to understanding the XS
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and ose and and being able to to coach and
being able to teach and to to relate to the guys.
What I think Jeff Saturday may have opened the door
up to is you now have to take those conversations
into bigger and higher consideration. Because for all the people
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that have tried to convince you old this is a CEO,
and and the people that are leading these teams don't
generally look like the guys that are putting the uniforms
on and going out there on the field. Why why
like why so their intellectual level and understanding of how
a team is ran and how you should call a
play or how you should draw a play up is
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so different, so far apart that you're good enough to
go out there and take those those orders and take
that direction from these coaches, but you're not good enough
to be one of them. I think that's out. Like
I think Jeff Saturday, if he continues, now you get
one win, I mean, but still one one in the
league under those circumstances. That's pretty extraordinary if you ask me,
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if he continues to win Jonas, I think that the
conversation has to now change. You can't make the coaching
position something that it is not. It is not brain surgery.
I'm sorry, it's not. It's not open heart surgery. It's not.
You're not building a rocket and flying that rocket out
into outer space. It's not. It's managing men, managing young
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young people, whatever level it is. We're talking NFL and
and calling the right plays and getting them. You know what,
the right plays jonas a play that your players believe
that's gonna work, and they go out there and they
execute it. That's what That's when a play works is
when the guys that are running that play believe that
that the person calling it cares about me, we care
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about one another. We're gonna make this play work. That's
what great coaching is. You teach it, they execute it,
everybody believes it, and you go out there and you win.
When we were critical last week of the Indianapolis Colts
hiring Jeff Saturday, for me, it wasn't so much that
Jeff Saturday, you know, walked off a TV set and
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took the job. It was more the Jimmer say up
and down roller coaster ride, the Matt Ryan's gotta be
benched one week, and then your offensive coordinator who doesn't
call plays has got to be gone the next week,
and then you've got, uh, you know, Frank Reich is
fired again. It just it was the up and down
roller coaster. But nobody had any idea whether or not
Jeff Saturday was going to work out or win this
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game against the Raiders, except for probably Raiders fans who
are so down on their luck when it comes to
the team. My whole thing on it was if it works,
I like it because there's more than one way to
skin a cat. There's more than one way to do
this thing. It's not one size fits all. Remember when
look you were in Washington, Remember when Sean McVeigh got
hired by the L A. Rams. I remember hearing about
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him interview young and all of a sudden he was
never even considered to be a legitimate candidate for the job.
It was more of, all right, we'll interview this young
guy out of Washington and see what he's all about.
And then he blew everybody in the in the interview
a way so much so that they all of a
sudden said, well, maybe he could be a candidate, And
they brought him in for a second higher one. Sean
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McVeigh got hired. Nobody knew that it was gonna work.
Nobody knew Sean McVeigh was gonna work. What Mike Tomlin.
Mike Tomlin, there was no Yeah, he was young, young,
and they brought him in. It was more of a
all right, we'll get this guy in interview. But you know,
NFL ballers, no, neither one NFL ballers, like I think
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what what Tomlin was that William and Mary played out
William and I think something like that. McVeigh definitely wouldn't
have been able to fight his way out of a
wet paper bag to play the game Miami of Ohio.
But the idea was they went in interviewed Mike Tomlin,
and all of a sudden they were so impressed by
him in the interview they said, we got to give
this guy another look, and guess what, It's worked out.
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Both those guys have won super Bowls. I'm not saying
Jeff Saturday is going to win a Super Bowl, but
the idea that you're immediately disqualified from the conversation, because
that's what it's so strange to me, Like, for those
are two losing NFL team. They've got losing records in
the NFL. And I was probably more interested in that
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game yesterday than any other game of the weekend because
I just wanted to see if it was gonna work.
And look, he could lose the remaining games here and
he'd look bad, and they looked inspired, they looked fired up.
Matt Ryan, all of a sudden's a mobile quarterback? The
hell was that all about? Just so it could all
blow up and everybody's faces next week and Jeff Saturday
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could realize, Man, the commitment, all that stuff. I don't
want any part of it because in the end, you're
you're already hoping and anticipating and wanting him to to
fail miserably. So if that's where we're starting, A loss
isn't a failure. It really isn't. A loss is what
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what people are expecting? How is how are they gonna lose?
Are they gonna fall off of the rails? I doubt it?
You know why, because you have a team full of professionals.
Bro as as as Jeff Saturday says so many times
in his is opening press conference, Bro, it's it's it's
a team of of professionals, you put the game plan together, Jonas,
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let me tell you something. You want to know that
what football players know by the time they get to
the National Football League, what plays are, what positions are,
what gaps are, what gap responsibilities are, what protections are?
Do you have to do? You have to make it
so that that s is so complicated that they can't
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understand the dynamics or or the minimals of the essentials
of what it is that you're supposed to execute on
offense and defense. That's up to you as a coach.
That's up to you as a coach. But last time,
one of the things that my man thousand Wats Marcus Washington,
used to always say before we go out there and
play the game was the pregame was rddale on Riddell, y'all.
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Riddell on Riddell, y'all. Rddale on Riddell y'all. You know
what that means f a play they called to play.
I know, I got outside contained and you know what,
I'm gonna take this Rightdale, and I'm gonna put it
on that guy's rddale and we're gonna figure out who's
rydal is is bad or is your riddell batter than mine?
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Or is mind batter than yours? And if you can
get pros who understand football, like, we're not Neandrew Thals.
They're not Neandrewthals. They're actually pretty intelligent people. They're actually
thinking people that that make it to the National Football League.
You know, they do wonder Licked tests. They do all
kinds of testing and stuff like that, you know, emotional tests,
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mental tests, aptitude tests. They're not dummies. So if they're
not dummies, and they're good enough to make it to
be a professional and be paid to do so, then
give them a little bit of respect, give them a
little bit of of of of grace, and knowing that
if someone comes in that has no real experience even
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as a football person, and picks up a piece of
paper and says, here are the plays we're gonna run.
If you don't think that those guys can comprehend those
plays and run those plays, then you don't understand athletics.
You don't understand how the mind works. You don't understand
how professional operates. You get out there and you run
the plays. Players make plays work. It always be that Jonas,
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players will always make plays work, and that's what it
comes down to. So all of this outrage is mock
outrage to me, all of this, all of it like
some on like like like Bill Coward. I accept that.
I respect that because he's gone through it, he's lived it.
I get that. But all these other people out here
talking all this hit and all that that's down the
other they can kick a mighty big boulder rock and
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break that toe on it, because it's mock outrage. That
man knows football. He knows football well enough to pick
up a playbook and say, two guys, I care about you,
Let's go out here and win the game. Bottom line.
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on Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio. All Right,
to stop me if you've heard this before, the Dallas
Cowboys stop, all right, a big time game on the
road in a featured spot and Dak Prescott done play
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off that? Well? Do you hear that ever before? It
seems like something that's been a familiar tone in conversation
that we've had in Dallas, uh and and in covering
the Cowboys over the past few years since that's been
in the league. I mean, you know, it happens. Yeah,
It's not like it would have been any different if
you know, there was a different quarterback in there. It's
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not like this is like a quarterbacks controversy, like if
there was another guy in they won the game. I mean,
you know, both sides of the ball, you know, contributed
to that loss. Yeah, that was a bad loss, and
equally as big a win for Green Bay who needed
to win desperately because they have been struggling and have
lost five in a row and it's not looked good
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for the Packers. But in that spot, Mike McCarthy back
in the building and to see the Dallas Cowboys go
out and struggle the way that they did and lose
that game, that's a bad loss. And I think just
with the way the NFC East is stacked up and
the way the NFC is stacked up, I mean, you're
you're losing ground and now you're going from if you're
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not gonna win the NFC East, now you're gonna be
a wild card team. Now you're gonna have to go
on the road. It just feels like these losses we're
gonna look back on later on and go, all right,
that one hurt, that was one they should have had,
and Dallas should have won that game. They're a better
roster than green Bay. But green Bay came into that
they looked much better than they had in previous weeks. Statistically,
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green Bay's got the worst offense in the division and
it's not even all that close, but came out yesterday
they found a little bit a little something there in
the passing game. And then you've got the Dallas Cowboys
who just looked flat at times, and Dak Prescott's got
a couple of more turnovers. They go forward on fourth
down in overtime. That's gonna be critiqued and criticized a lot.
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I didn't have that much of an issue with it.
You were at midfield. You realize if you're giving the
ball back to Aaron Rodgers, if you pointed away, there's
the potential they could go down and win the game anyway.
So Mike McCarthy trusted his offense to try and pick
up a few yards to continue to drive, as opposed
to trying to kick a long field goal. Which would
have not ended the game right there. I think any
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coach would have trusted their offense against green Bay right now. Yeah,
and and it just and I would trust my my
defense against green Bay right now. I would trust my
team against green Bay right now. I think them not
going for it, or them electing to go for it
on fourth down and not kicking the field goal, I
think that was kind of an indictment on what he
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thought the defense looked like in that game yesterday, because
the fact that you made the decision to go forth
there as opposed to maybe taken the and it wasn't
a chip shot, it was outside. It was a fifty
three yard field goal attempt, but you also, you know
you could pump the ball away and pin green Bay deep.
I just I don't know that he trusted his defense
to be able to get him a stop. And plus
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all that talent you got on offense, like all those
figure out a way to win, you should be able
to pick up that that first down in that spot.
So I don't look at it and say, well, Mike McCarthy,
he was maybe a little bit too emotional because he
was in Green Bay and he was playing the Packers
and he wanted to win that game in the spot.
You got Dak Prescott, you got that offense, you should
be able to pick up that first. You know, he's
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he's got a drinking buddy up there in uh in Dallas,
DA's Bryant. Yeah, maybe even Mike Mike Irvin. Yeah, you know,
I mean, maybe there's the possibility that you you let
you know, McCarthy go and you replace them with Michael
Irvin to come in and be the hey coach of
this team. And and who who better to bring fire
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and and bring that that that trust and buy into
being a Dallas Cowboy than than Michael Irving. I'm just saying,
I mean, this feels like we've had this conversation on
a Monday following a big Dallas Cowboy game over the
past to three years a lot. It feels like the
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same conversation everybody has. Why are they so loaded in
certain like roster wise, they're one of the best rosters
in the NFL. Yet here we are again having another
conversation about why why are they losing these games? And
Green Bay is not a good football team, but you
just you look at Dallas and go, how are you
not How is this game close, like, how are you
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not able to? And I just come away from this
thinking the same old cowboys, like they just come up
flat in big spots. Let me ask you this, because
I said this before the season started, I believe I
got laughed off and and I was told that the
best team in the NFC was clearly the Dallas Cowboys.
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Now everybody is now starting to grasp onto this narrative
that y'all said that it was the Eagles calling to Eagles. No, y'all,
y'all were saying Dallas. Everyone was saying Dallas, Dallas, This Dallas,
that Dallas is clearly the best team in the NFC. Lee,
what is it that I said before the season started
with Dallas? What did I say? What was my bold prediction? Uh?
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You were you did not trust them, you were definitely
low on the And what did I say the final
result would beat Lee? Now here's my question today, Because
I am wrong a lot, I'm not, but when i'm
when I'm right, I love to sit on that throne
of correctness. I'm never wrong. But again, okay, so so
here we go. Don't be wrong on this. Lee. You
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could get in on this as well. Do you think
Dallas is going to be a wild card team with
the way things are shaping out right now. Yes, okay, Lee, Yeah,
I think they're gonna make the playoffs. Okay, So they're
gonna be the third team I don't know. I mean
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they're gonna be the third team out of the NFC,
Like they're going there out of the NFC East. Because
the way things are going right now, did sciants are
going to be a wild card team or they're going
to win the division? And if they win the division,
then the Eagles are going to be a wild card team.
So if you go to the other you go to
the other NFC divisions, where are where are they? Where
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are they the wild card team? So if Seattle wins
the division or the Niners win the division, I would
have to assume that that the Seahawks or the Niners
are in poll position to get that wild card game.
So if Philly wins tonight, which I think a lot
of people expect them to win tonight, Philly's got a
three game lead over Dallas and they've got the win
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against Dallas straight up already in the back pocket. So
like that lost yesterday for Dallas was bad. And so
if you're Dallas and you're sitting now a game behind
the Giants, but you do have a win over the Giants.
It just makes that Thanksgiving matchup that much more important
because they're gonna play in a couple of weeks on
Thanksgiving and it's Dallas. But it may not come down
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to I mean, yes, you're right, but it may not
come down to that the way the Giants are playing.
It may not come down to who won the tiebreaker,
but just based off of the way the Giants are playing.
And by the way, you're at Minnesota next week for Dallas.
So we just you know, we talked last hour about
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Minnesota proved proved a lot and showed themselves, you know,
in that game a lot. And now if you're the
Dallas Cowboys, you lose a game you needed to win
yesterday as a favorite on the road against a struggling
team that had lost five in a row, and now
you've got to go play one of the hottest teams
in the NFL who's unbeaten at home. The good news
is there's three there's three wild card teams, right, Yes,
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I would be willing to bet the bank on it.
If the if the Green Bay Packers can find a
way to improve from what they did yesterday. That they're
the third wild card team. So you think green Bay
still got an opportunity? Yes, all right, So according to
Draft Kings, are buddies now they just beat They just beat, Yes,
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so I head to head, they've got a head to
head against because the Green Bay is not winning the division,
that's a wrap. So they're going to be the second team.
So Minnesota and Philly look like they're running away with
the division. Green Bay to make the playoffs is plus
three fifty according to Draft Kings. That all right, So
you if you walked in with a hundred bucks, you
would walk away with three fifty if green Bay makes
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the playoffs. So you don't think do you think Dallas
is going to make the playoffs? Still? Okay? Plus sixteen hundreds,
So that's sixteen to one. If you were to lay
a hundred dollars on the Dallas Cowboys to not make
the playoffs, DraftKings, you'd walk away with sixt that's money
in the bank. At least, can I borrow your credit card?
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That's money in the bank. I want to make sure
get your credit card information here. Just give me the
last four. I know the rest and we'll figure it out.
And then if you can give me the CRV or
whatever they call it on the back, that'll work for me.
That's just But again, why do we keep having this
same discussion with the Dallas Cowboys. You could copy and
paste this postgame reaction and insert it in multiple games
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over the past several years. Go to the play just
go to the most recent playoff game in Dallas, the
one against the forty niners. Weren't we having the same conversation? How?
How did you lose that game? You're at home, like,
what happened here? What was the what was the plan?
Why on the final play of the game? What were
you trying to do it? Just if they don't make
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the playoffs? Mike McCarthy's done. And I like Mike McCarthy,
and you know, seeing him and Rogers yesterday was awesome. Um,
you know that they ended on kind of awkward terms,
and it seems like they've you know, everything is completely
changed with those two guys. But it just man, there's
a lot of money invested in a lot of spots
and I just feel like, and I like Dak Prescott
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a lot, and I defended him getting the contract he got.
But man, oh man, we keep having the same discussion
about Dak Prescott in these big games come up short. Yes,
not just Dak Prescott, Dak Prescott, it's Dallas first, and
then whoever the current quarterback is. We've had these same
conversations with with uh Remo who was before him? So yes,
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who was before him? Quincy Carter? Who who was before
Quincy Carter? Was mix? Uh true Henson, I think we've
had this conversation about every single quarterback that has been
a quarterback for this team, even at the end with
with with Troy Aikman, you had the same conversation. And
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by the way, for anybody that wants to point to well,
Zeke Elliott wasn't healthy. Cz Elliot hasn't been healthy for
about two years. Tony Pollard's had number one back in
that offense and he had a good game yesterday, So
it has nothing to do with that. It just this
is another one of these typical Dallas Cowboy games that
you scratch your head and go, what the F's going on?
And it's going to be a typical Dallas Cowboys season.
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How dare you? I'm just looking at the way it
was shaping up. That's looking at the way is shaping
up and looking at the way everything is is is
set up. If you look at Dallas the rest of
the way and what they have to do in order
to be able to to get to where they're trying
to go? Are you confident that they can do it?
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Are are you confident that the Dallas Cowboys, with with
the remaining games that they have, can they do it.
Here's what I'll say about Dallas. It would not surprise
me if they won the NFC, and it would not
surprise me if they were one and done. Right, here
we go. They got the and that's a problem. Let's
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go through them. They got the Vikings. Next, who you got? Well,
it's it's a four eastern time window. Somebody go with
Dallas was one. Yeah, But Kirk sins outside of the
one eastern time, I gotta I gotta stick with the
theme I created that created the Vikings. And by the way,
that's a fact, and people are stealing that all left
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and right. Kirk Cousins, not in one pm Eastern time,
originated by me on this network. I don't disagree with
you there, all right. I wasn't here for it, but
I believe you it happened Giants. The Giants go to
Now keep in mind, the Cowboys have to travel to Minnesota. Yes,
I'm not giving them Minnesota. Well, I'm just at the
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betting odds. Okay, Now the Giants go travel to them
the following week. Who you got I'll take Dallas, So
you gave them two wins just now. Then they have
the Colts at home. I'll take Dallas. I'm gonna take
Dallas on that one. So right now, I got Dallas
at one and two over the next three games. Then
they have the Texans at home. Oh that I mean, yeah,
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that's when Dallas. So I got them that two and two.
Then they have the Jaguarars. I got them at three
in too. But the Jags could knock them off playing
them at home and again. And it's Doug Peterson who
knows that team, who coached against him for years in Philly.
That game against Jackson, I'm telling you right now, they're
either gonna lose that game or it's gonna be a
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lot more competitive than a lot of people anticipate. I'll
talking about the damn Jaguar. I'm gonna say, is within
those five games Vikings, Giants, Colts, Texans, Jaguars. There there's
a strong possibility they could lose more than they win.
And that's what's so strange about Like anybody, have you
ever been in in a relationship with somebody who's just
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got a radic behavior. It's really uncomfortable because you're never
quite sure what you're gonna get. All right, It's just
like one day they wake up and it's like a kiss.
The next thing you know, there's a revolver in your face,
like you know, you're never quite sure what you got, Dallas,
I I don't know what I'm gonna get in these games.
Say they're either gonna win the game and look fantastic,
and it's like, man, that's why you paid Dak Prescott
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all that money, or they're gonna lose and you go,
what was that. It's just they're they're so erratic in
these big time games. And yesterday was another example. And
then the latter part of their their schedule they gotta
go to Tennessee, they got to play Philadelphia, and for
what it's worth, a last game against Washington that could
be a hard game for them to win, especially if
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Washington goes you know what, we're not playing for anything.
Screw it, let's go. Let's go for bro. Dallas might
not be playing for anything by that time. Bron's I mean,
let's just be honest here. Their third place right now
in the NFC. That game yesterday was so I mean,
like this is week nine, right, we're week nine, Week ten.
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We we just left week nine, right or they just
played week Week ten is this week and then we
got week eleven next week. Okay, there's eight more games left,
and your third place in the NFC East? Third place?
Like I mean, am I? Am I wrong for thinking
that they are in position to make the playoffs? Right now?
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Here's here's the best part about the Cowboys conversation. I
could say Dallas is coming out of the NFC. You
could say they're not making the playoffs, and there's like
we're both we could both we're both wrong or until
one of us. But that's fine. Like if I was
a Cowboys fan, I gotta know what I would do,
Like I'd be just sitting around and going, all right,
(30:23):
what's next? I mean, what are we gonna get this time?
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them not being together this year? I would say, oh Man,
probably Rogers. I think he's feeling the impact maybe a
little bit more, Although you know Watson had a good
game yesterday for the you know, for the green Bay Packers,
So there's that. Let me ask you, this was Davante
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Adams a Hall of Famer before he left Green Bay? Yes? Okay, yeah,
I mean he was on on on the path to
being a Hall of Famer. Would I asked you That's
not what I asked you. That's vastly different than what
I asked you. Was Davante Adams a Hall of Famer
when he left green Bay? No, because he's still playing,
so he's not allowed to be in the Hall of
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Fame until five years after he's retired. I would say,
I can't say he's a Hall of Famer right then
and there. But if he had stayed in Green Bay,
I feel more if he were to retire today, is
he going to the Hall of Fame? Probably not, not
long enough. So he might have costed himself the opportunity
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to go to the Hall of Fame by leaving Green Bay.
Possibly now he's but look, he's having good performances with
the Raiders Hall of Fame performances. Yeah, and especially when
they're losing that Hall of Fame. Um. I mean, but look,
and Antonio Brown was on his way to being a
Hall of Famer, and then you know, something's gotten the
way later in his career, some other things, you know,
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So so Antonio Brown is no longer going to be
in the Hall of Fame. Let me just can I
throw I just want to ask you a theory, all right,
and you tell me if you buy into this at all.
So we're talking about the Raiders and what's what's wrong
with the Raiders? They've got all this talent um, Josh
McDaniel's new head coach. There, there was a lot of
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optimism going into the season, and yet here we are.
They just lost to Jeff Saturday, who has been on
the job for like seventy two hours and just walked
off a set at ESPN. And he's got Dan Orlovsky
basically campaigning for a job or a raise at ESPN
to try and join his staff. And we're trying to
figure out, so what's going on with the Raiders. And
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then you're hearing Derek Carr talking about guys that maybe
aren't bought in. Davante Adams was saying the same thing
post game, guys aren't totally bought in. They're trying to
send a message to somebody for certain. Let me throw
this at you. It is Las Vegas. Is Vegas, and
you've got a lot of young guys. Guys in Las Vegas,
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even if they're not young, it's Las Vegas. And all
I know is when I made a bunch of money
as a bus boy at t g I Fridays, the
first thing I was thinking is I'm going to Vegas
and I would lose it all, but damn I'd have
a good time. Do you think maybe being in Las
Vegas is starting to eat up? Is that of the
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guys on that when they started having issues. I'm just saying, like,
do you think me? Now? Follow me? Is that when
the issue started to arise with the writers meaning what
the players? Well, that's what I'm asking is, do you
do you think is it couldn't be making it worse?
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Because you have? If I'm in Oakland and we suck
and we stink, what are you doing? You're going home,
You're watching film, You're ordering out, or you're going out
to get some fine dining, you know what I mean? Like,
but where do you really find yourself getting into anything
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where it's like I'm gonna go hit the beach today.
If I'm a ram and we're having a bad season.
You could go to to Manhattan Beach. You can go
to beaches, you could go get away and go to
a nice little resort in Orange County. I was at
that game and like, there's a lot of seats that
were empty. You know, there are other things to do.
You don't have a whole lot of things to do
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in Oakland. So I'm now in Vegas and we're not
playing very well. Well, you know what, I bet you
this after parties, still living. I bet you there's there's
things to do during the course of the week. And
I'm still a raider. You still can get the results
you want as a pro even if you're losing, because
you're still a pro. Like, oh, there there's a there's
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a Vegas Raider right there, Like I just I wonder
and obviously you know this better than I would. But
losing in certain places isn't as bad. It's not as bad.
It affects you differently. You're losing Green Bay, like them
losing in Green Bay. That's where you're at, and you're
losing that Like I might want to like end it,
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but I'm gonna end it all. But but if you
lose in Vegas, you walk outside the stadium and there's
still a whole another life, and there is anything you
want at any time. It's twenty four hours. And for
anybody that's never been to Vegas, or for anybody that
just that doesn't understand, it's not a far drive from
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out here in Los Angeles. And I can tell you
there were plenty of options for a bus boy. I
can't imagine what the options. There's no drive for them
that they I mean, that's all walkable. It's just you
literally any anywhere you want to go, anything you want
at all times. And so I just wonder if the
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Death Star is connected to the Bear Garden at what
what is it? The MGM spot what is it called? Uh?
Oh the uh what's the name of him? Tie Hours.
There's like two different towers and one is connected like
you can walk. There's a walkway you can go for
a luxe or to Excalibur, to the to New York,
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New York to MGM like you can the other one,
what's the other? Uh casino that that MGM bought out?
They bottom big towers. I can't remember. But the point is,
you're right, there is the point you're right there. You lose,
and it's like, and I wonder if who are the
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most vocal guys about this, Derek car Davante Adams. Both
those guys are married, they got kids. Maybe they're not out,
you know, doing the thing. Of course they're Vegas. Of
course they're not. Yeah, you know, they just go straight
home and they hang out with their family. All right.
We're not trying to add anybody here, but I just
want that's not outing anyone, That's just life. I wonder
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if those guys are looking at you too, if you
took it on your chin and you took an ale
and I I get I'm either in Vegas or I
lay back in Vegas and I'm a rookie. That that
is hell. You don't even have to say. You don't
even have to give the requirements. I don't have to
say a single rookie. You might have a girlfriend who
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cares right, like, let's be honest here, Like Desharn Watson
had a girlfriend the whole time. So so what I'm
saying is there doesn't happen to be any qualifiers when
lose or draw. Some of these cats is knowing what
they're gonna do during the week before the game, after
the game, and I just wonder if Derek Carr and
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Davante Adams are looking at these guys going down, You're
not You're not losing and making a good point here
and letting it affect you the way that it affects us,
because you're losing and thinking to yourself, you have but
you know what, so and so serving Prime Rib until
midnight and then we're staying up until seven am afterwards.
You're making a good point, Jonas. I mean, it definitely
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could get worse base stuff of the environment that they're in.
Because they stunk in Oakland. I mean, I'm taking stunk
in Oakland, but to stink in Vegas, I mean, look,
the dude lost his career because he was being irresponsible.
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Like you're being irresponsible, you lose your career, and somebody
lost their life, and somebody lost their life and the
dog did I mean that was that? I mean, that's
you're talking about an environment that if you're not laser
sharp focused, if you don't, I mean, d C is
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like that. It's not like it's not like Vegas, but
there's some places of New York is like that. I
played in both them, places. Believe you me, they show
a lot of love to their teams. I remember talking
with a buddy of mine about this when the Cubs
finally won a World Series in Chicago, said, that's oh man,
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that's it. What do you mean they just want a
World series? They get all this young talent. When you're
walking around and you know you can have whatever you
want whenever you want it because you were the team
that brought a World Series to that place for the
first time in over a hundred years. Have fun and
they haven't been close. You do that in Vegas, though,
that that's gotta be. That's like you're almost on like
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some type organized crime type stuff. If you come walk in,
they're gonna put a table down with some table like
you're gonna get. You're gonna get the best, you know,
back backs, uh, backstage opportunities to meet talents. You're gonna
get invited to all of them. You want and your
and your and your twenty four years old, I can't
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even imagine. I was a bus boy, got in trouble.
That should motivate you to want to win, though, like
that can't motivate you to be a loser. I don't
want to walk around and be a loser. I don't
want to be on a team and be like I
don't care about practicing heart, like my mind is on
the casino or the show girls or anything like that,
or whatever it is that your poison is that you
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would choose in Sin City, I would want to be
like the best I know. When I was in Washington,
I went out. When I first got there, people was like,
yo far far var var var Var, Like, I mean,
I ain't even been here yet, and y'all calling me
var like l A and Var. Nobody called me LaVar.
It was Var in l A and the And immediately
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I'm like, I'm in Chocolate City. I'm Chocolate. Let's make
this work. Let's make this work. And any time I
got tired, I can sit here and tell you all
of the cool things about think about your family, and
think about where you came from and the things you overcame.
Sometimes I kept jumping rope and lifting weights because I
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knew if I played and I bawled out and I
went out in d C, I was gonna be the man.
I'm there, Michael Jordan is playing on the Wizards. I'm
seeing all the love day showing m Jay. I'm sitting
there thinking to myself, I'm the number one draft pick
for this team. They're coming out of the playoffs. All
I gotta do is do what I do, and I'm
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gonna be the dude up in here. I'm not coming
out there to lose. I'm not not doubt and I'm
not thinking about going to d C Live or going
to v I P or going to zans A Bar
or going to to to K Street or anything like that.
I'm thinking about winning the games and being the best
that I can be and trying to make Pro Bowls
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and get all Pro bids. That has to be the
mindset that starts with the person. You can't ever blame
your environment on your lack of of thriving and success
as it applies to you personally. Now maybe as a team,
but personally I can't buy that. Yeah, it's uh, it's
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How about the Jeff Saturday era, LaVar Arrington, how about it?
How about a break out the Raiders or excuse me,
break out the Colts. Don't break out the Raiders, somebody breakers.
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Somebody should break in and do something about that. But
break out the Indianapolis Colts and Jeff Saturday straight from
a TV set all the way to Las Vegas and
they get it done. Congratulations? How about it? You know
Jim her say, had them really screwed the pooch? Now?
I mean he has. He has done some tremendously damaging
(00:47):
things potentially to to how the National Football League does things.
And it's interesting. I was listening, like I'm a big
Bill Cower fan. I heard what Bill Coward had to
say about it, um and how he had to wait
his turn, and you know so many good you know coaches,
and listen, Bill Cower played football. There's a lot of
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guys that played football, um that ended up being coaches.
Mind you in in the pros, um. But I don't
think that there's ever been a real approach to players first, Like,
if you look at these coaches in the National Football League,
I don't know where the hell they've come from. I'll
look at them, I don't know, like like there's they're
(01:33):
probably a coach's son. More often than not that end
up being coaches in the National Football League. I don't know,
Like a lot of these people, I don't know where
they came from. I don't know what they did. They're
not one of us. It's not like, Okay, there's Dion, Oh,
there's there's such and such, there's there's Campbell, Like I
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love that. It's almost an anomaly to say, wow, look
at look at Campbell's coaching that if it's him, And
I know who do Do Staley is? I know who
Aaron Glenn is, Like I know who these guys are
as coaches, But it's always been this thing like guys
are good enough to play the game, they're good, but
they're not good enough to transition into being coaches. Like
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you're not a coach. You know you're not gonna be
a head coach. And so for me, And again, I
don't place a color on that either. I think that
the color is your football player and you're and you know,
I don't see marquee, big name you know, players getting
opportunities to be head coaches, especially and in the way
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that that Jeff Saturday got his opportunity. So then I
saw was that Joe Thomas. I saw Joe Thomas's comments,
you know, and and how he said that, you know,
this is just this crazy, like you you hire your
drinking buddy, you know, like that's that's what it takes
to become a head coach these days. Like I don't
know why guys are hating on it. The first all,
A lot of my drinking buddies are really fun, So like,
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don't you want to have fun at your job? What's
are that? So I was just drinking buddy. Come on now,
I mean, if you're drinking buddy knows what he's doing.
Like just because he's your drinking buddy, Now there there's
a there's a problem with him being being you know,
up for the job, up for the task. I mean,
how many people were really sitting there hoping that that
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just Saturday would fail and and and those people honestly
should be ashamed of themselves. I really do believe that,
like you can have your opinions. But to think that
this this guy, he got an opportunity for one reason
or another, give him credit. Like I apparently he had
(03:46):
turned down the job because he wanted to do TV
and wanted to spend time with his family. Apparently is
what was being is being reported because they had asked
him or taught to him a few times about being
an assistant on the staff and he didn't want to
be a lineman coach and assistant coach. He didn't basically
didn't want to do what everybody else was doing. But
he's been a consultant for him for a while now,
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like he would talk with him every week about offensive
line of Well, I mean, listen, you're an happy hour.
I mean, why not breakdown why Quentin Nelson's having a
down year? You know, while you're trying to get drink
specials in before they close happy hour. There's nothing wrong
with that. I just you know, for me, we can
get into all of the details as to what's wrong
(04:30):
about what you think this is or why it's wrong.
But what we found out this weekend is, oh, wait,
all this stuff where you have to recycle it to
the same exact coaches, it has to go to the
same exactly, this coach failed here. Oh, but now he's
a head coach there. He didn't get an opportunity to
(04:51):
be successful here as a head coach. Now he's a
head coach there. And it's the same people going to
the same like they're the same position. Head coach here,
head coach there. Here go be an assistant uh uh
an offensive coordinator for this year. Now you come back
and your your coach. Well, okay, how about there's a
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lot of people that want to coach that are really
really good coaches that coach high school football, they coach
youth league football, They try to get into college and
can't even really get into college and have an opportunity
to coach at the college level. I see so many
awesome coach like Achille Smith is one of the most
brilliant offensive minds that you'll ever come across. He's not
(05:36):
getting any any uh and he looks Willie Anderson, He's
probably going to be a Hall of Famer. He's not
getting any looks. He's one of the best teachers and
coaches that you'll come across. He's not getting any looks.
T J. Hushmansatta is a fire like bro dude is
a freaking geek when it comes to understanding the XS
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and ose and and being able to to coach and
being able to teach and to to relate to the guys.
What I think Jeff Saturday may have opened the door
up to is you now have to take those conversations
into bigger and higher consideration. Because for all the people
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that have tried to convince you old this is a CEO,
and and the people that are leading these teams don't
generally look like the guys that are putting the uniforms
on and going out there on the field. Why why
like why so their intellectual level and understanding of how
a team is ran and how you should call a
play or how you should draw a play up is
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so different, so far apart that you're good enough to
go out there and take those those orders and take
that direction from these coaches, but you're not good enough
to be one of them. I think that's out. Like
I think Jeff Saturday, if he continues, now you get
one win, I mean, but still one one in the
league under those circumstances. That's pretty extraordinary if you ask me,
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if he continues to win Jonas, I think that the
conversation has to now change. You can't make the coaching
position something that it is not. It is not brain surgery.
I'm sorry, it's not. It's not open heart surgery. It's not.
You're not building a rocket and flying that rocket out
into outer space. It's not. It's managing men, managing young
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young people, whatever level it is. We're talking NFL and
and calling the right plays and getting them. You know what,
the right plays jonas a play that your players believe
that's gonna work, and they go out there and they
execute it. That's what That's when a play works is
when the guys that are running that play believe that
that the person calling it cares about me, we care
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about one another. We're gonna make this play work. That's
what great coaching is. You teach it, they execute it,
everybody believes it, and you go out there and you win.
When we were critical last week of the Indianapolis Colts
hiring Jeff Saturday, for me, it wasn't so much that
Jeff Saturday, you know, walked off a TV set and
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took the job. It was more the Jimmer say up
and down roller coaster ride, the Matt Ryan's gotta be
benched one week, and then your offensive coordinator who doesn't
call plays has got to be gone the next week,
and then you've got, uh, you know, Frank Reich is
fired again. It just it was the up and down
roller coaster. But nobody had any idea whether or not
Jeff Saturday was going to work out or win this
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game against the Raiders, except for probably Raiders fans who
are so down on their luck when it comes to
the team. My whole thing on it was if it works,
I like it because there's more than one way to
skin a cat. There's more than one way to do
this thing. It's not one size fits all. Remember when
look you were in Washington, Remember when Sean McVeigh got
hired by the L A. Rams. I remember hearing about
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him interview young and all of a sudden he was
never even considered to be a legitimate candidate for the job.
It was more of, all right, we'll interview this young
guy out of Washington and see what he's all about.
And then he blew everybody in the in the interview
a way so much so that they all of a
sudden said, well, maybe he could be a candidate, And
they brought him in for a second higher one. Sean
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McVeigh got hired. Nobody knew that it was gonna work.
Nobody knew Sean McVeigh was gonna work. What Mike Tomlin.
Mike Tomlin, there was no Yeah, he was young, young,
and they brought him in. It was more of a
all right, we'll get this guy in interview. But you know,
NFL ballers, no, neither one NFL ballers, like I think
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what what Tomlin was that William and Mary played out
William and I think something like that. McVeigh definitely wouldn't
have been able to fight his way out of a
wet paper bag to play the game Miami of Ohio.
But the idea was they went in interviewed Mike Tomlin,
and all of a sudden they were so impressed by
him in the interview they said, we got to give
this guy another look, and guess what, It's worked out.
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Both those guys have won super Bowls. I'm not saying
Jeff Saturday is going to win a Super Bowl, but
the idea that you're immediately disqualified from the conversation, because
that's what it's so strange to me, Like, for those
are two losing NFL team. They've got losing records in
the NFL. And I was probably more interested in that
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game yesterday than any other game of the weekend because
I just wanted to see if it was gonna work.
And look, he could lose the remaining games here and
he'd look bad, and they looked inspired, they looked fired up.
Matt Ryan, all of a sudden's a mobile quarterback? The
hell was that all about? Just so it could all
blow up and everybody's faces next week and Jeff Saturday
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could realize, Man, the commitment, all that stuff. I don't
want any part of it because in the end, you're
you're already hoping and anticipating and wanting him to to
fail miserably. So if that's where we're starting, A loss
isn't a failure. It really isn't. A loss is what
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what people are expecting? How is how are they gonna lose?
Are they gonna fall off of the rails? I doubt it?
You know why, because you have a team full of professionals.
Bro as as as Jeff Saturday says so many times
in his is opening press conference, Bro, it's it's it's
a team of of professionals, you put the game plan together, Jonas,
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let me tell you something. You want to know that
what football players know by the time they get to
the National Football League, what plays are, what positions are,
what gaps are, what gap responsibilities are, what protections are?
Do you have to do? You have to make it
so that that s is so complicated that they can't
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understand the dynamics or or the minimals of the essentials
of what it is that you're supposed to execute on
offense and defense. That's up to you as a coach.
That's up to you as a coach. But last time,
one of the things that my man thousand Wats Marcus Washington,
used to always say before we go out there and
play the game was the pregame was rddale on Riddell, y'all.
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Riddell on Riddell, y'all. Rddale on Riddell y'all. You know
what that means f a play they called to play.
I know, I got outside contained and you know what,
I'm gonna take this Rightdale, and I'm gonna put it
on that guy's rddale and we're gonna figure out who's
rydal is is bad or is your riddell batter than mine?
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Or is mind batter than yours? And if you can
get pros who understand football, like, we're not Neandrew Thals.
They're not Neandrewthals. They're actually pretty intelligent people. They're actually
thinking people that that make it to the National Football League.
You know, they do wonder Licked tests. They do all
kinds of testing and stuff like that, you know, emotional tests,
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mental tests, aptitude tests. They're not dummies. So if they're
not dummies, and they're good enough to make it to
be a professional and be paid to do so, then
give them a little bit of respect, give them a
little bit of of of of grace, and knowing that
if someone comes in that has no real experience even
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as a football person, and picks up a piece of
paper and says, here are the plays we're gonna run.
If you don't think that those guys can comprehend those
plays and run those plays, then you don't understand athletics.
You don't understand how the mind works. You don't understand
how professional operates. You get out there and you run
the plays. Players make plays work. It always be that Jonas,
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players will always make plays work, and that's what it
comes down to. So all of this outrage is mock
outrage to me, all of this, all of it like
some on like like like Bill Coward. I accept that.
I respect that because he's gone through it, he's lived it.
I get that. But all these other people out here
talking all this hit and all that that's down the
other they can kick a mighty big boulder rock and
(14:13):
break that toe on it, because it's mock outrage. That
man knows football. He knows football well enough to pick
up a playbook and say, two guys, I care about you,
Let's go out here and win the game. Bottom line.
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to stop me if you've heard this before, the Dallas
Cowboys stop, all right, a big time game on the
road in a featured spot and Dak Prescott done play
(14:59):
off that? Well? Do you hear that ever before? It
seems like something that's been a familiar tone in conversation
that we've had in Dallas, uh and and in covering
the Cowboys over the past few years since that's been
in the league. I mean, you know, it happens. Yeah,
It's not like it would have been any different if
you know, there was a different quarterback in there. It's
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not like this is like a quarterbacks controversy, like if
there was another guy in they won the game. I mean,
you know, both sides of the ball, you know, contributed
to that loss. Yeah, that was a bad loss, and
equally as big a win for Green Bay who needed
to win desperately because they have been struggling and have
lost five in a row and it's not looked good
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for the Packers. But in that spot, Mike McCarthy back
in the building and to see the Dallas Cowboys go
out and struggle the way that they did and lose
that game, that's a bad loss. And I think just
with the way the NFC East is stacked up and
the way the NFC is stacked up, I mean, you're
you're losing ground and now you're going from if you're
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not gonna win the NFC East, now you're gonna be
a wild card team. Now you're gonna have to go
on the road. It just feels like these losses we're
gonna look back on later on and go, all right,
that one hurt, that was one they should have had,
and Dallas should have won that game. They're a better
roster than green Bay. But green Bay came into that
they looked much better than they had in previous weeks. Statistically,
(16:28):
green Bay's got the worst offense in the division and
it's not even all that close, but came out yesterday
they found a little bit a little something there in
the passing game. And then you've got the Dallas Cowboys
who just looked flat at times, and Dak Prescott's got
a couple of more turnovers. They go forward on fourth
down in overtime. That's gonna be critiqued and criticized a lot.
(16:49):
I didn't have that much of an issue with it.
You were at midfield. You realize if you're giving the
ball back to Aaron Rodgers, if you pointed away, there's
the potential they could go down and win the game anyway.
So Mike McCarthy trusted his offense to try and pick
up a few yards to continue to drive, as opposed
to trying to kick a long field goal. Which would
have not ended the game right there. I think any
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coach would have trusted their offense against green Bay right now. Yeah,
and and it just and I would trust my my
defense against green Bay right now. I would trust my
team against green Bay right now. I think them not
going for it, or them electing to go for it
on fourth down and not kicking the field goal, I
think that was kind of an indictment on what he
(17:32):
thought the defense looked like in that game yesterday, because
the fact that you made the decision to go forth
there as opposed to maybe taken the and it wasn't
a chip shot, it was outside. It was a fifty
three yard field goal attempt, but you also, you know
you could pump the ball away and pin green Bay deep.
I just I don't know that he trusted his defense
to be able to get him a stop. And plus
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all that talent you got on offense, like all those
figure out a way to win, you should be able
to pick up that that first down in that spot.
So I don't look at it and say, well, Mike McCarthy,
he was maybe a little bit too emotional because he
was in Green Bay and he was playing the Packers
and he wanted to win that game in the spot.
You got Dak Prescott, you got that offense, you should
be able to pick up that first. You know, he's
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he's got a drinking buddy up there in uh in Dallas,
DA's Bryant. Yeah, maybe even Mike Mike Irvin. Yeah, you know,
I mean, maybe there's the possibility that you you let
you know, McCarthy go and you replace them with Michael
Irvin to come in and be the hey coach of
this team. And and who who better to bring fire
(18:40):
and and bring that that that trust and buy into
being a Dallas Cowboy than than Michael Irving. I'm just saying,
I mean, this feels like we've had this conversation on
a Monday following a big Dallas Cowboy game over the
past to three years a lot. It feels like the
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same conversation everybody has. Why are they so loaded in
certain like roster wise, they're one of the best rosters
in the NFL. Yet here we are again having another
conversation about why why are they losing these games? And
Green Bay is not a good football team, but you
just you look at Dallas and go, how are you
not How is this game close, like, how are you
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not able to? And I just come away from this
thinking the same old cowboys, like they just come up
flat in big spots. Let me ask you this, because
I said this before the season started, I believe I
got laughed off and and I was told that the
best team in the NFC was clearly the Dallas Cowboys.
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Now everybody is now starting to grasp onto this narrative
that y'all said that it was the Eagles calling to Eagles. No, y'all,
y'all were saying Dallas. Everyone was saying Dallas, Dallas, This Dallas,
that Dallas is clearly the best team in the NFC. Lee,
what is it that I said before the season started
with Dallas? What did I say? What was my bold prediction? Uh?
(20:09):
You were you did not trust them, you were definitely
low on the And what did I say the final
result would beat Lee? Now here's my question today, Because
I am wrong a lot, I'm not, but when i'm
when I'm right, I love to sit on that throne
of correctness. I'm never wrong. But again, okay, so so
here we go. Don't be wrong on this. Lee. You
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could get in on this as well. Do you think
Dallas is going to be a wild card team with
the way things are shaping out right now. Yes, okay, Lee, Yeah,
I think they're gonna make the playoffs. Okay, So they're
gonna be the third team I don't know. I mean
(20:51):
they're gonna be the third team out of the NFC,
Like they're going there out of the NFC East. Because
the way things are going right now, did sciants are
going to be a wild card team or they're going
to win the division? And if they win the division,
then the Eagles are going to be a wild card team.
So if you go to the other you go to
the other NFC divisions, where are where are they? Where
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are they the wild card team? So if Seattle wins
the division or the Niners win the division, I would
have to assume that that the Seahawks or the Niners
are in poll position to get that wild card game.
So if Philly wins tonight, which I think a lot
of people expect them to win tonight, Philly's got a
three game lead over Dallas and they've got the win
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against Dallas straight up already in the back pocket. So
like that lost yesterday for Dallas was bad. And so
if you're Dallas and you're sitting now a game behind
the Giants, but you do have a win over the Giants.
It just makes that Thanksgiving matchup that much more important
because they're gonna play in a couple of weeks on
Thanksgiving and it's Dallas. But it may not come down
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to I mean, yes, you're right, but it may not
come down to that the way the Giants are playing.
It may not come down to who won the tiebreaker,
but just based off of the way the Giants are playing.
And by the way, you're at Minnesota next week for Dallas.
So we just you know, we talked last hour about
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Minnesota proved proved a lot and showed themselves, you know,
in that game a lot. And now if you're the
Dallas Cowboys, you lose a game you needed to win
yesterday as a favorite on the road against a struggling
team that had lost five in a row, and now
you've got to go play one of the hottest teams
in the NFL who's unbeaten at home. The good news
is there's three there's three wild card teams, right, Yes,
(22:43):
I would be willing to bet the bank on it.
If the if the Green Bay Packers can find a
way to improve from what they did yesterday. That they're
the third wild card team. So you think green Bay
still got an opportunity? Yes, all right, So according to
Draft Kings, are buddies now they just beat They just beat, Yes,
(23:04):
so I head to head, they've got a head to
head against because the Green Bay is not winning the division,
that's a wrap. So they're going to be the second team.
So Minnesota and Philly look like they're running away with
the division. Green Bay to make the playoffs is plus
three fifty according to Draft Kings. That all right, So
you if you walked in with a hundred bucks, you
would walk away with three fifty if green Bay makes
(23:25):
the playoffs. So you don't think do you think Dallas
is going to make the playoffs? Still? Okay? Plus sixteen hundreds,
So that's sixteen to one. If you were to lay
a hundred dollars on the Dallas Cowboys to not make
the playoffs, DraftKings, you'd walk away with sixt that's money
in the bank. At least, can I borrow your credit card?
(23:47):
That's money in the bank. I want to make sure
get your credit card information here. Just give me the
last four. I know the rest and we'll figure it out.
And then if you can give me the CRV or
whatever they call it on the back, that'll work for me.
That's just But again, why do we keep having this
same discussion with the Dallas Cowboys. You could copy and
paste this postgame reaction and insert it in multiple games
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over the past several years. Go to the play just
go to the most recent playoff game in Dallas, the
one against the forty niners. Weren't we having the same conversation? How?
How did you lose that game? You're at home, like,
what happened here? What was the what was the plan?
Why on the final play of the game? What were
you trying to do it? Just if they don't make
(24:30):
the playoffs? Mike McCarthy's done. And I like Mike McCarthy,
and you know, seeing him and Rogers yesterday was awesome. Um,
you know that they ended on kind of awkward terms,
and it seems like they've you know, everything is completely
changed with those two guys. But it just man, there's
a lot of money invested in a lot of spots
and I just feel like, and I like Dak Prescott
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a lot, and I defended him getting the contract he got.
But man, oh man, we keep having the same discussion
about Dak Prescott in these big games come up short. Yes,
not just Dak Prescott, Dak Prescott, it's Dallas first, and
then whoever the current quarterback is. We've had these same
conversations with with uh Remo who was before him? So yes,
(25:19):
who was before him? Quincy Carter? Who who was before
Quincy Carter? Was mix? Uh true Henson, I think we've
had this conversation about every single quarterback that has been
a quarterback for this team, even at the end with
with with Troy Aikman, you had the same conversation. And
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by the way, for anybody that wants to point to well,
Zeke Elliott wasn't healthy. Cz Elliot hasn't been healthy for
about two years. Tony Pollard's had number one back in
that offense and he had a good game yesterday, So
it has nothing to do with that. It just this
is another one of these typical Dallas Cowboy games that
you scratch your head and go, what the F's going on?
And it's going to be a typical Dallas Cowboys season.
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How dare you? I'm just looking at the way it
was shaping up. That's looking at the way is shaping
up and looking at the way everything is is is
set up. If you look at Dallas the rest of
the way and what they have to do in order
to be able to to get to where they're trying
to go? Are you confident that they can do it?
(26:27):
Are are you confident that the Dallas Cowboys, with with
the remaining games that they have, can they do it.
Here's what I'll say about Dallas. It would not surprise
me if they won the NFC, and it would not
surprise me if they were one and done. Right, here
we go. They got the and that's a problem. Let's
(26:47):
go through them. They got the Vikings. Next, who you got? Well,
it's it's a four eastern time window. Somebody go with
Dallas was one. Yeah, But Kirk sins outside of the
one eastern time, I gotta I gotta stick with the
theme I created that created the Vikings. And by the way,
that's a fact, and people are stealing that all left
(27:08):
and right. Kirk Cousins, not in one pm Eastern time,
originated by me on this network. I don't disagree with
you there, all right. I wasn't here for it, but
I believe you it happened Giants. The Giants go to
Now keep in mind, the Cowboys have to travel to Minnesota. Yes,
I'm not giving them Minnesota. Well, I'm just at the
(27:29):
betting odds. Okay, Now the Giants go travel to them
the following week. Who you got I'll take Dallas, So
you gave them two wins just now. Then they have
the Colts at home. I'll take Dallas. I'm gonna take
Dallas on that one. So right now, I got Dallas
at one and two over the next three games. Then
they have the Texans at home. Oh that I mean, yeah,
(27:52):
that's when Dallas. So I got them that two and two.
Then they have the Jaguarars. I got them at three
in too. But the Jags could knock them off playing
them at home and again. And it's Doug Peterson who
knows that team, who coached against him for years in Philly.
That game against Jackson, I'm telling you right now, they're
either gonna lose that game or it's gonna be a
(28:14):
lot more competitive than a lot of people anticipate. I'll
talking about the damn Jaguar. I'm gonna say, is within
those five games Vikings, Giants, Colts, Texans, Jaguars. There there's
a strong possibility they could lose more than they win.
And that's what's so strange about Like anybody, have you
ever been in in a relationship with somebody who's just
(28:36):
got a radic behavior. It's really uncomfortable because you're never
quite sure what you're gonna get. All right, It's just
like one day they wake up and it's like a kiss.
The next thing you know, there's a revolver in your face,
like you know, you're never quite sure what you got, Dallas,
I I don't know what I'm gonna get in these games.
Say they're either gonna win the game and look fantastic,
and it's like, man, that's why you paid Dak Prescott
(28:56):
all that money, or they're gonna lose and you go,
what was that. It's just they're they're so erratic in
these big time games. And yesterday was another example. And
then the latter part of their their schedule they gotta
go to Tennessee, they got to play Philadelphia, and for
what it's worth, a last game against Washington that could
be a hard game for them to win, especially if
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Washington goes you know what, we're not playing for anything.
Screw it, let's go. Let's go for bro. Dallas might
not be playing for anything by that time. Bron's I mean,
let's just be honest here. Their third place right now
in the NFC. That game yesterday was so I mean,
like this is week nine, right, we're week nine, Week ten.
(29:39):
We we just left week nine, right or they just
played week Week ten is this week and then we
got week eleven next week. Okay, there's eight more games left,
and your third place in the NFC East? Third place?
Like I mean, am I? Am I wrong for thinking
that they are in position to make the playoffs? Right now?
(30:02):
Here's here's the best part about the Cowboys conversation. I
could say Dallas is coming out of the NFC. You
could say they're not making the playoffs, and there's like
we're both we could both we're both wrong or until
one of us. But that's fine. Like if I was
a Cowboys fan, I gotta know what I would do,
Like I'd be just sitting around and going, all right,
(30:23):
what's next? I mean, what are we gonna get this time?
They're just so unpredictable in these spots. Be sure to
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(31:27):
them not being together this year? I would say, oh Man,
probably Rogers. I think he's feeling the impact maybe a
little bit more, Although you know Watson had a good
game yesterday for the you know, for the green Bay Packers,
So there's that. Let me ask you, this was Davante
(31:49):
Adams a Hall of Famer before he left Green Bay? Yes? Okay, yeah,
I mean he was on on on the path to
being a Hall of Famer. Would I asked you That's
not what I asked you. That's vastly different than what
I asked you. Was Davante Adams a Hall of Famer
when he left green Bay? No, because he's still playing,
so he's not allowed to be in the Hall of
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Fame until five years after he's retired. I would say,
I can't say he's a Hall of Famer right then
and there. But if he had stayed in Green Bay,
I feel more if he were to retire today, is
he going to the Hall of Fame? Probably not, not
long enough. So he might have costed himself the opportunity
(32:32):
to go to the Hall of Fame by leaving Green Bay.
Possibly now he's but look, he's having good performances with
the Raiders Hall of Fame performances. Yeah, and especially when
they're losing that Hall of Fame. Um. I mean, but look,
and Antonio Brown was on his way to being a
Hall of Famer, and then you know, something's gotten the
way later in his career, some other things, you know,
(32:54):
So so Antonio Brown is no longer going to be
in the Hall of Fame. Let me just can I
throw I just want to ask you a theory, all right,
and you tell me if you buy into this at all.
So we're talking about the Raiders and what's what's wrong
with the Raiders? They've got all this talent um, Josh
McDaniel's new head coach. There, there was a lot of
(33:14):
optimism going into the season, and yet here we are.
They just lost to Jeff Saturday, who has been on
the job for like seventy two hours and just walked
off a set at ESPN. And he's got Dan Orlovsky
basically campaigning for a job or a raise at ESPN
to try and join his staff. And we're trying to
figure out, so what's going on with the Raiders. And
(33:36):
then you're hearing Derek Carr talking about guys that maybe
aren't bought in. Davante Adams was saying the same thing
post game, guys aren't totally bought in. They're trying to
send a message to somebody for certain. Let me throw
this at you. It is Las Vegas. Is Vegas, and
you've got a lot of young guys. Guys in Las Vegas,
(33:57):
even if they're not young, it's Las Vegas. And all
I know is when I made a bunch of money
as a bus boy at t g I Fridays, the
first thing I was thinking is I'm going to Vegas
and I would lose it all, but damn I'd have
a good time. Do you think maybe being in Las
Vegas is starting to eat up? Is that of the
(34:19):
guys on that when they started having issues. I'm just saying, like,
do you think me? Now? Follow me? Is that when
the issue started to arise with the writers meaning what
the players? Well, that's what I'm asking is, do you
do you think is it couldn't be making it worse?
(34:40):
Because you have? If I'm in Oakland and we suck
and we stink, what are you doing? You're going home,
You're watching film, You're ordering out, or you're going out
to get some fine dining, you know what I mean? Like,
but where do you really find yourself getting into anything
(35:03):
where it's like I'm gonna go hit the beach today.
If I'm a ram and we're having a bad season.
You could go to to Manhattan Beach. You can go
to beaches, you could go get away and go to
a nice little resort in Orange County. I was at
that game and like, there's a lot of seats that
were empty. You know, there are other things to do.
You don't have a whole lot of things to do
(35:25):
in Oakland. So I'm now in Vegas and we're not
playing very well. Well, you know what, I bet you
this after parties, still living. I bet you there's there's
things to do during the course of the week. And
I'm still a raider. You still can get the results
you want as a pro even if you're losing, because
you're still a pro. Like, oh, there there's a there's
(35:47):
a Vegas Raider right there, Like I just I wonder
and obviously you know this better than I would. But
losing in certain places isn't as bad. It's not as bad.
It affects you differently. You're losing Green Bay, like them
losing in Green Bay. That's where you're at, and you're
losing that Like I might want to like end it,
(36:08):
but I'm gonna end it all. But but if you
lose in Vegas, you walk outside the stadium and there's
still a whole another life, and there is anything you
want at any time. It's twenty four hours. And for
anybody that's never been to Vegas, or for anybody that
just that doesn't understand, it's not a far drive from
(36:28):
out here in Los Angeles. And I can tell you
there were plenty of options for a bus boy. I
can't imagine what the options. There's no drive for them
that they I mean, that's all walkable. It's just you
literally any anywhere you want to go, anything you want
at all times. And so I just wonder if the
(36:48):
Death Star is connected to the Bear Garden at what
what is it? The MGM spot what is it called? Uh?
Oh the uh what's the name of him? Tie Hours.
There's like two different towers and one is connected like
you can walk. There's a walkway you can go for
a luxe or to Excalibur, to the to New York,
(37:09):
New York to MGM like you can the other one,
what's the other? Uh casino that that MGM bought out?
They bottom big towers. I can't remember. But the point is,
you're right, there is the point you're right there. You lose,
and it's like, and I wonder if who are the
(37:30):
most vocal guys about this, Derek car Davante Adams. Both
those guys are married, they got kids. Maybe they're not out,
you know, doing the thing. Of course they're Vegas. Of
course they're not. Yeah, you know, they just go straight
home and they hang out with their family. All right.
We're not trying to add anybody here, but I just
want that's not outing anyone, That's just life. I wonder
(37:51):
if those guys are looking at you too, if you
took it on your chin and you took an ale
and I I get I'm either in Vegas or I
lay back in Vegas and I'm a rookie. That that
is hell. You don't even have to say. You don't
even have to give the requirements. I don't have to
say a single rookie. You might have a girlfriend who
(38:11):
cares right, like, let's be honest here, Like Desharn Watson
had a girlfriend the whole time. So so what I'm
saying is there doesn't happen to be any qualifiers when
lose or draw. Some of these cats is knowing what
they're gonna do during the week before the game, after
the game, and I just wonder if Derek Carr and
(38:33):
Davante Adams are looking at these guys going down, You're
not You're not losing and making a good point here
and letting it affect you the way that it affects us,
because you're losing and thinking to yourself, you have but
you know what, so and so serving Prime Rib until
midnight and then we're staying up until seven am afterwards.
You're making a good point, Jonas. I mean, it definitely
(38:57):
could get worse base stuff of the environment that they're in.
Because they stunk in Oakland. I mean, I'm taking stunk
in Oakland, but to stink in Vegas, I mean, look,
the dude lost his career because he was being irresponsible.
(39:19):
Like you're being irresponsible, you lose your career, and somebody
lost their life, and somebody lost their life and the
dog did I mean that was that? I mean, that's
you're talking about an environment that if you're not laser
sharp focused, if you don't, I mean, d C is
(39:40):
like that. It's not like it's not like Vegas, but
there's some places of New York is like that. I
played in both them, places. Believe you me, they show
a lot of love to their teams. I remember talking
with a buddy of mine about this when the Cubs
finally won a World Series in Chicago, said, that's oh man,
(40:00):
that's it. What do you mean they just want a
World series? They get all this young talent. When you're
walking around and you know you can have whatever you
want whenever you want it because you were the team
that brought a World Series to that place for the
first time in over a hundred years. Have fun and
they haven't been close. You do that in Vegas, though,
that that's gotta be. That's like you're almost on like
(40:21):
some type organized crime type stuff. If you come walk in,
they're gonna put a table down with some table like
you're gonna get. You're gonna get the best, you know,
back backs, uh, backstage opportunities to meet talents. You're gonna
get invited to all of them. You want and your
and your and your twenty four years old, I can't
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even imagine. I was a bus boy, got in trouble.
That should motivate you to want to win, though, like
that can't motivate you to be a loser. I don't
want to walk around and be a loser. I don't
want to be on a team and be like I
don't care about practicing heart, like my mind is on
the casino or the show girls or anything like that,
or whatever it is that your poison is that you
(41:04):
would choose in Sin City, I would want to be
like the best I know. When I was in Washington,
I went out. When I first got there, people was like,
yo far far var var var Var, Like, I mean,
I ain't even been here yet, and y'all calling me
var like l A and Var. Nobody called me LaVar.
It was Var in l A and the And immediately
(41:27):
I'm like, I'm in Chocolate City. I'm Chocolate. Let's make
this work. Let's make this work. And any time I
got tired, I can sit here and tell you all
of the cool things about think about your family, and
think about where you came from and the things you overcame.
Sometimes I kept jumping rope and lifting weights because I
(41:47):
knew if I played and I bawled out and I
went out in d C, I was gonna be the man.
I'm there, Michael Jordan is playing on the Wizards. I'm
seeing all the love day showing m Jay. I'm sitting
there thinking to myself, I'm the number one draft pick
for this team. They're coming out of the playoffs. All
I gotta do is do what I do, and I'm
(42:09):
gonna be the dude up in here. I'm not coming
out there to lose. I'm not not doubt and I'm
not thinking about going to d C Live or going
to v I P or going to zans A Bar
or going to to to K Street or anything like that.
I'm thinking about winning the games and being the best
that I can be and trying to make Pro Bowls
(42:30):
and get all Pro bids. That has to be the
mindset that starts with the person. You can't ever blame
your environment on your lack of of thriving and success
as it applies to you personally. Now maybe as a team,
but personally I can't buy that. Yeah, it's uh, it's
(42:52):
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