November 21, 2022 • 39 mins
Jonas, Brady and LaVar call out the Zach Wilson Defense League after another horrible performance and refusal to take accountability. Eagles HC Nick Sirianni is fired up about beating the Colts after they fired his mentor Frank Reich. LaVar looks forward to Tom Brady rebounding after Gisele and he relives horror stories from the road on the FSR IR.
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we had a big time matchup in the a f
C East yesterday and man Oman did those offenses live
up to it? Ten three the final, the New England
Patriots get it done over the New York Jets, and
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look they went it on a punt return touchdown. Congratulations
of the Pats they get it done there. Um that
I didn't. I'm trying to think the last time there
was a special teams touchdown to any game. I think
it was two thousand fifteen, maybe something like that. It's
been a long time since you see a game end
like that in crunch time on a return for a touchdown.
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But I think a lot of the conversation, though, is
now pointing towards the glaring issue that the New York
Jets have a quarterback ding ding ding ding ding. That
was a guess, Like at some point people have to
stop being so sensitive about it and upset when you're
critical of Zach Wilson and just call it what it is,
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Like has he progressed at all? Like it like yesterday
was brutal, Like he through for seventy seven yards. And
I'm not saying that Mac Jones lit up, but I
think the percentage or the stat line for like the
last what was it, the last three four minutes of
the game was like what was it? Like three or
four yards? What's something crazy? How little the the stat
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was for like the last three minutes or something or
so of the game, Like the game was on the line,
and he couldn't he couldn't do it. He could brutal.
Man couldn't hit the side of a barn. Yeah, it's brutal.
And I don't know what to make of it, man, Like,
it's it just feeling, you know. Jonas and LaVar. I
was asking Jonas about this yesterday because we're talking about
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that particular game. I forget what we're mentioning. But the
point Jonas made was like, when has anyone defended a
Jets quarterback or even a New York Giants quarterback the
way the New York media market has defended or even
the fans for the Jets have defended Zack Wilson. And
the oddest thing about it is you literally, when you
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look through all the players. We talked about this a
little bit last week, when you looked at all those
quarterbacks in the first couple of years, they were all
statistically better. Like it's not really even close. And so
it's just so odd now that there's been this defense
of him for some reason where there's no attachment whatsoever
to this player. And like, look, I I know I've
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sounded critical at times of him. I was more critical
of the selection and the expectation of him, like knowing
the Jets organization and the undertaking they were going through,
which there's no doubt you can't deny the rosters had
a better spot. Defensively, They've got a good defense. Robert S.
Law is a good defensive coach. Offensively, it's they're still
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work in progress. They faced some injuries on the offensive
line that's played a factor. Corey Davis didn't play yesterday.
That obviously hurt them in this matchup because they needed
some firepower, someone who could separate. But even if he
did play, Jonas posted the question, the things that I
was concerned about coming out from college are still issues now,
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all right. The guys small, I thought, is there a
chance he's gonna get banged out with the way he plays?
Tries to scramble around because he doesn't see well, yeah,
has he been injured throughout the first couple of seasons, Yeah, okay,
still concerned. The one season where people try to put
him on the map was versus a group of five schedule,
And every single time I kept watching and people talk
about tight window throws, I was like, he's just kind
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of throwing balls up to guys who are just better
than their competition because b y U that season, because
of COVID, didn't play a tough schedule is a group
of five schedule. And so all the things that I
saw in film dating back way back when are deal
issues now and not being the work through progressions, are
not seeing the field well. And now you know, does
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he have the ability to throw it from different arm angles? Yeah? Sure, Okay,
a lot of guys can do that. Now. Hell, they're
training that now. I mean, LaVar, you can probably go
go to any private quarterback trainer and go watch the
way they're training these kids. And I'll be honest with you,
I think it's awful for the game because now everyone
and everyone's seen every like private quarterback coach wants to
convince these young quarterbacks that you have to play like
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Patrick Mahomes who win a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, there's Tom
Brady at forty five years old, who is one of
the best fundamental sound quarterbacks that's ever played, and he's
the most successful quarterback that's ever played. Yet no one's
trying to go through the boring, monotonous drills of doing
everything Tom Brady has done. Instead, they want to do
these off platform brows and cross body throws and things.
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It's like, okay, but one, you only do that two
percent of the time at quarterback, and the other point
would be that's that's not gonna be the plays that
make it for you anyway. So I just I think
if you look at the struggles that he's had, you know,
some of that has to do with these a young player,
he needs more experience. That's part of it. You know,
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if the Jets gonna be patient enough with Zach Wilson
through this year through next year, he'll eventually evolve into
a quarterback that can play. Like These guys don't get
drafted to the NFL and aren't capable. They're capable, but
they do have ceilings and at some point you have
to build around them to not allow their weaknesses to
be exploited and play to their strengths and they're just
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not quite there yet and it's gonna take some time.
So I I mean, look, I'm not ever surprised by
the result or what we've kind of seen. I'm a dork.
I watch film, I see this stuff, and I just
go none of it's surprising. Eventually, Jets fans and maybe
the Jets organization will come around to realize some of that.
It's a bizarre thing, man, the way that they defend him.
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I don't, I don't understand. It's almost like they've got
money on like future bets and like his total touchdowns
thrown in a season, and and they've got they've rixed
their entire mortgage and family fortune on it, and they've
got to be right about it. Like what what more
do you need to see before people look at it
and go, yeah, there's an issue here, Like I just
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I don't. I don't understand the love affair with him
and that the people that run to the Zach Wilson
Defense League to try and stick up for him. Like
listen to Robert Sali. Robert Sali sounds like he's getting
close to the point where he's no longer keeping receipts
and now he's just gonna start calling people out here,
was the Jets head coach after the game. Seven possessions
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only two totally yards. Um knows it's a crappy way
to lose. Feel like your exchange and blows from a
defensive standpoint on both sides of the b from both teams,
and somebody could just make a play and get it
the overtime. They made a play in the in the
kid game. I mean, he seems upset. Now, I do
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want to throw this at Well. It's a part because
with a win, they got the first place in NFC Sea.
With that loss, they're now like, I do want to
I ask LaVar. So pretend you're a member of the
New York Chats on defense, right, and you just did
what you did. You held the Patriots to three points.
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How about this? You just got them to punt again.
You're you're running off the field. You have to run
by Zack Wilson as you're coming off the field. Well,
what are you saying at this moment late in the
fourth quarter. Well, you know, I'm one. I'm I'm one
of those guys. You know I would have been like
q W two f bro like W t I'm you
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know what I would have said. I would have said,
let's go, Like I would have looked you in your eyes,
and I would have felt like the look into your
eyes from me like hopefully like a respected teammate. You
know this down and the other meaning something to the
team and we're fighting our asses off I wouldn't have
been judgmental of the offense. I would have just looked
at my QB and eyes and been like, you got this. Yeah,
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you want to hear Zach Wilson after that, pretend you're
still that same defect to say after the game, super frustrating,
You know it is. It is a frustrating day. Of course.
You know I feel like I had had some balls
I got away from me. Um. But you know, we
gotta find a way as an offense. We gotta do
some We gotta do some dig and watch the film
and see what we can do better as an offense though.
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I mean, when you guys are only able to score
three points, the defense only lets up three points, I mean,
do you do you feel like you let the defense
down at all? So there is WTF now next game,
next game or next practice. If I if I heard,
if I heard that sound bite. If I heard that
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sound bite, like, w tf you mean you didn't let
you let the offense the defense, You let us down,
like you let us down. You let yourself down, you
let your mom down, you let your family down, You
let down everybody who defends you, and it looks up
to you and looks out you. You let them down.
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It's okay to have moments of letting people down. You
don't have to regret them, because moments of letting yourself
down and letting others down that only serves to build
you up more moving into the future. But the quickest
way to put yourself in an alienated situation is to
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not accept the responsibility of of the magnitude of what
it is that you're connected to that you're not owning,
even if, even if, even if, let's just say for
one minute, that it was something else other than him
that was responsible for the low out output of of points.
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Take it, take it, and on it, because that's what
a leader should do then, and and it's always let's
be better the next time, you know, take that because
it would again. We we say this a lot on
the show because it's kind of statistically, it's kind of
what it's supposed to be going into a game. If
a defense holds you to twenty points that and below,
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the offense is supposed to get more than that. That's
what the offense is if you get. If you get
a defense that holds an offense to under twenty points,
you're supposed to win that game. By the way, Zach
Wilson also blamed the wind as well too, But they
had to deal deal with the winds. And one person
that that is is I think people will agree and
will applied for defending um Zack Wilson is is UM
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staunchly and as as fiercely as as they do would
be Bill Belichick. You know. Bill Belichick defended him like
really really really well, you know, and and it was
actually the justified type of of defense. You know. It
was like literal lead and figuratively defended. Zach Willison likes
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playing him. Wait, so the wind was bad, but Mac
Jones had four completions and almost three for two or
fifty yards, right, Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm trying
to get this straight. Like, by the way, that game
we should't have been as close as it was. Nick
Folk obviously had to miss Fueld goals went off. The
crossbar was the other one, UM, little wide left, I believe,
which but that's one of those if you if you
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just saw the box score, you saw the missfield goals
in your Pats fan might have been frustrated. He did
have Michael Pollardi holding. That's not as normal holder, So
that I definitely could have played a factor, on top
of the fact that the wind in the kicking game
tends to play more of a factor there too. By
the way, they've beaten the Jets now fourteen straight times,
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fourteen straight games, the Patriots have beaten the Jets. Jesus Christ,
that's dominance. Fourteen times. You can't get one. You know,
what's interesting happening? At him? What are we doing? What's
interesting about? Like, let's just say how this could be
a turning point for the Jet season potentially. I mean,
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who knows, who knows what kind of resolved they've got.
They played what Chicago next week? Fields end up banging
up his non throwing shoulder. UM, so not sure of
his injury status. Maybe they finally get a backup quarterback
for once this season. Now, those Jets always get tough matchups.
But but, but Again, the interesting thing is if you're
coming into this past week and I think they were
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like drafting somewhere like first round because of their record,
I think after the loss, now might be like eighteen.
But let's just go down the road. Because I said
this before the season started, and I think this is
where people felt like I was being critical is Zach Wilson,
And I wasn't. I was just pointing out the obvious,
which apparently no one saw his obvious. If this team
did struggle, then they're gonna be in a position where
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they're gonna be looking potentially at quarterbacks because you have
to do that due diligence. As you know, depending on
who you are within that organization Joe Douglas, a general
manager or anyone else, feel Savage, etcetera, etcetera, they all
are going to have to look at the quarterback class
and say, is this guy better than the guy we have?
And can we after two years, let's say, let's move
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on because we've got to figure this this position out
and so far it hasn't looked good. And we and
I talked about it before the season with the whole
Hayes hooking up with other you know, other moms and
all that. Guess guess what there if that's gonna that's
gonna serve him become the spring. If things going to
a tail spin, not focused, not focused, doesn't care enough
about football, He's not about the right things. They'll go,
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They'll go find someone in the draft. That is problem
is they're not gonna be able to draft because of
where they're drafting at and they're gonna have to give
up more draft capital like their their success early on
in this season could actually hamper their ability to go
after a quarterback and next year's draft, even if they
feel like that's their need, because of where their draft
position could end up being. So. Connor Hughes from s
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n Y. Uh he reported yesterday that sources inside the
Jets locker room told s n Y that Wilson was
walking around after the game like he isn't the problem.
It rubbed more than a few of the wrong way,
frustrating several others. And that was before he even spoke afterwards.
Um and confirmed it. Yeah, and uh that that Jets
players are are pretty fed up with just the walking around.
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I'm not the problem. It's not me not being accountable
sort of aspect to all this, so you know, the
between blaming the wind, not being accountable, not feeling like
he's let the defense down. I mean, this could just
turn on him and backfire in a hurry, right I
would if I'm a leader. This is where leadership matters.
This is where sometimes you know, defenders like tickers, punters,
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old hits, sometimes these are the moments where somebody just
needs to pull him to the side and be like, hey, listen, man,
let me just give you a little bit of perspective,
like can we talk like I've done this more than
so many times, and and just said, you know, let's go,
let's go get some wings or something man like, let's
let's go talk, and we'll go sit down and I'll
talk to it like I would have talked to it
like a young guy, young quarterback or a young player
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running back, whatever it may have been, and just been like, listen, like,
let me like, let me give you just a different
you know, understanding of little things can become big things.
And and we talk about those details as it applies
to playing in the game and how it applies to plays.
But a lot of times you gotta pay attention to
those little things as it applies to what you say
and do in in the media, and and and what
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you say to people around the building. You have to
be cognizant and aware of that. So let me like
just put it in front of you, like listen, It's okay.
You're you're in a position where a lot of people
are paying attention to you. You you have a lot
of support and a lot of guys want to see
you have success. So in situations like you know what
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happened last week, and I would actually point out the
actual quote, like listen, when somebody asked you a question
like that, it's always take to high the high road
on how you respond responsibility that absolutely, so paters take
accountability for and so that would be. And then if
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he continued to be that person, then now you gotta
say to yourself, because here's what happens, right, Nobody had
to know that me and him went out and had
that conversation, but he and I know we had that conversation.
So if he continues to be that person that doesn't
show leadership or show that that type of accountability, then
now you have to approach it as such. From then
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where his his personality traits could actually be a problem
in the detriment to our team. I wouldn't look at
their schedule real quick the rest of the way. So
they play Chicago next week, Then they're at Minnesota Buffalo.
Then they go verse Detroit at home, which could be
a game now yeah, well yeah, Detroit's one three in
a row. They look better, they look different than they
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host Jacksonville, which that's a much more winnable game, but
that's on a short week, so who knows. Then they
finished at Seattle at Miami, which the Miami game obviously
is going to be incredibly significant, not only for the
division but for playoff standings. And obviously you're on the
road and you're back to back weeks on the road,
have to go off East coast trip, which Seattle still
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in the hunt. That's gonna be a significant game on
their end of things. So the schedule, which I thought
lightened up a lot more after there by and now
doesn't look so much like it's lightened up. The Bears
are playing better football. And the toughest thing about this
next week matchup is he's got a guy in Justin
Fields who you know. I look, I had Justin Fields
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rated higher than him, much higher than him in that
quarterback draft class, and with the progress that Fields has made.
If the Bears win that game and Fields continues to
play the way he has, it's gonna be staring the
Jets front office right in the face, Jets fans right
in the face that hey, maybe this is the guy
you should have taken. I mean, outside of Tray Lands,
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every single quarterback from that draft class in the first
round has shown either either that they can play or
significant improvement. Except for Zach Wilson. I even think you
could lump in Davids Mills. No. I know, Houston, yes,
this year and all that, but he's got so much
less to work the Jets have, and his rookie season
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was far better. It's uh yeah, it's gonna be wild
to see how that turns on Zach Wilson. There in
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I tried, but I tried, But I tried, I tried.
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I ain't Michael Michael Douglas. That's Burnos here. Man, this
is a different movie. I haven't even seen this movie.
I know, what is it? Fatal Attraction? Oh oh yeah,
I've seen Fatal Attraction. How many movies? I mean, how
many movies are there? Michael Douglas just getting it in
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the way that he gets it in. How many of
you think there are a lot? I mean, just you know,
go through Burno's Top ten everything. You can start by
how many has he not got it right? I mean, man,
it's like, like, what are you gonna do? I'm gonna
be an actor, Okay, that's cool. I'm gonna go into Hollywood.
I'm gonna do movies Like what's going what are you
going to be known for? Like what's gonna be your
(21:10):
your signature moments that everybody remembers you by? Michael Douglas said,
getting it yep. And what do you mean by that? Well,
you just gotta watch Michael Douglas. I mean you just
see his bare ass every scene. Michael Douglas, God forbid,
you're on an elevator with him. He is an animal,
I mean in football terms, savage. I started thinking about
(21:35):
like I started thinking, and I know this is kind
of off topic, but so what right? I know, we
got sound bites to get to and all that, but
this is kind of interesting. I was like checking out,
like you know, I'd go, I'm I'm kind of like
a geek and a dork on getting all like information
and certain news and this that and other, and I'll
(21:55):
be looking at stuff and then I saw the gazelle,
you know, Tom Brady stuff pop up and and it's
like Gody like not the jiu jitsu trainer, not not
not the fight trainer, like oh man, So now that
stuff is popping up, and then I just why do
I think of like someone like Michael Douglas, Like can
you imagine like Tom Brady? If you know Tom brady
(22:16):
dating history, then you probably sit there and say, you
know what Tom Brady is is an all American looking guy.
But you can look at what he's done in his
dating history and you could say Tom Brady gets it
in though, like Tom gets it in and you listen,
he's my litter mate. So I'm I feel comfortable with
saying it. But let me tell you something. I can't
(22:37):
even imagine what Tom Brady's rebound, rebound phase to getting
back to normal will be for him. Can't. I can't.
I can't even Michael Douglas, North King Tong have anything
on Tom Brady. I just had to get that out.
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He's going to do good. It might be the only
thing that I would say if I if I wanted
to be a part of one thing in my life,
if you said, you know what, you have one opportunity
to go be somebody else for a moment of of
twelve to fifteen, sixteen months. I'm gonna be Tom Brady
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this offseason. This offseason, I don't even need that many months.
Give me two months. That give me one month, because
I'm old. Give me one month. Give me one month
of his off season, just one. I just want one month. Yeah,
he's gonna do okay, I think I think he'll be fine. Oh,
his glow up is going to be epic. It's going
(23:43):
to be the recovery once he once he's recovered, it's
it's back to normal. Everything's cool. But but the recovery time.
I want one month of it. Yeah, selfish, I mean,
I'll tell you this right now. Yeah, it's probably he's
got to make sure he's prepared for it. Well, I mean,
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the Philadelphia Eagles survived yesterday against the fighting Jeff Saturdays
(24:27):
of the Indianapolis Colts. Philly survives, They get it done
a late game win, and Philly improves their record to
nine and one on the season. By the way, the
last times they've been nine and one, they've all gone
to the Super Bowl. Now they won the one. But
I don't know if that's a sign of what could
be happening here. But the Philadelphia Eagles get it done.
But Indianapolis does look better, do they not? They're there?
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They were team. So is that the coach or the
fact that the right corp that's gonna say you gotta
you gotta add. But you know what, there's two there's
two things I would add to it. Belief, like there's
a belief in what's going on that it looks like
this is a team that's playing they're playing to win.
And then also, um also the idea of less stress.
(25:15):
You know, I thought, like, I remember, I had one coach.
I'll leave him nameless, but I had a coach and
the way he coached made you feel stressed. Like maybe
there's there there's the idea and I don't want to
put this on on on the coach that that they
let go, because I don't know this to be certain,
but it's there's the possibility that you can. It's like,
why are these guys under performing? They came into the season,
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they're highly rated, or you're looking at how many good
players they have on the team and the possibilities that
could come from them. This should be a top team.
This should be a top performing team. Why are they
not performing up to that standard? This When I was
watching them play yesterday while I was sitting in the airport,
they did not look like a team that was playing tight,
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like we gotta win this play. We gotta win this play.
If we lose this play, like I gotta make this throw,
I gotta make like it just looks like they're just
they're having fun playing. They're flying around, they're making good catches.
Matt Ryan is like he's moving differently, you know the way,
and I mean outside of a couple of the plays,
but he's moving differently for the most part, not like
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for me. It's just kind of they don't look like
a team that that is under duress. They just look
like a team that believes in what's going on and
they're performing, and then they came up short against a
really good team yesterday. Yeah, and it was impressive by
Philly getting that done late. Now, Um, you want to
hear some pies on passion. Yeah, let's see. So Nick
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Sirianti was a former assistant of Frank Reich's in Indianapolis
before he joined the Philadelphia Eagles, and he was really
fired up after the game. And some people would probably think, Okay,
why is Nick Sirianni like so jacked up after the game?
I mean, they were heavy favorites on the road. They
have clearly won this game. They survived. If anything, why
is he so fired up? Here was the Eagle side coach.
(27:06):
I'm emotional because I love Frank Reich, I really do,
and he's a He's one of the best damn football
coaches I ever been around. So I was hoping that
that him and I would be able to coach against
each other, uh in this game. But he he's one
of my biggest mentors. I got my dad, I got
Larry Harrison, and I got Frank Reich and Franks such
a good football coach. And uh, yeah, you don't want
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to know what I think. Uh. If you should be
here or not. But because you guys can probably imagine
what I really think. Um and I love him, and
so I got a little bit emotional about that, And
it was good to see the guys that I really
cared about. I spent a lot of time here, my
kids come. One of my child children was born here,
and it's a it was sweet to come here, especially
with what happened in this organization of the last couple
of weeks. And and and get the win, the win.
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We live in Indianapolis with uh win, take that Gimmer.
So I mean you were down down seven nothing in
the first quarter, you were down ten three, and sing quarter,
you were down thirteen three in the third quarter, Like
take your win, take your win. I get it. I
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mean I get where he's coming from. I mean it's
not like you came in there and beat the s
out of him. You didn't come in there and like,
oh this was for ch like you didn't like you
dominated him, Like take your win. I don't think it
was that. I think it was just more of the
fact that you know, he's close with Frank. And I
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don't know how anyone couldn't look at how things transpired
and not like not sit there and look at Jim mursaying,
go hold on a second, Like, if you just wanted
to put Jeff Saturday and there's your head coach, you
should have done it before the season. Why why would
you drag frank Reich through that where you bench a
guy who's five hundred as your started his first year
in the system. I know it didn't look good, but
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there were some games where it looked all right, But
why would you Why would you bench that guy? Tell
him to fires offensive coordinators? I the calling plays, you know,
put in put in a younger quarterback just to what
see what do you have in him? And then after
that you decide to just fire him too. I just
the whole thing. I think it's it's very deserving that
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they look at it and they go okay, Like at
the end of the day, like like Jim r say,
it's probably slapping the face to him, and it should
be for the way you handled things of Frank Reich.
I don't know how anyone looks at that and doesn't
think that Frank Reich got a raw deal. At the
end of the day. A lot of guys get raw, dude,
But it's the Matt Ryan thing that's suspected, and that's
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what I'm saying. You put him back in then, and
it's like, okay, I mean I just by the way
a lot of people get raw deals, not like that.
I mean not. We're like a guy micro manages it
to the point where over a three week, four week period,
your career is done. There. And that guy meddled in
the whole thing. I mean, I get it, that happens
in Dallas every year. But he got handcuffed and was
(29:56):
told you were playing sam Elling or Matt Ryan's not playing,
and and the new guy comes in, it's like, all right,
we'll let you play who you want. But forever all
of that plays out, All of that plays out in
a press conference with with the winning coach of of
a tight ass game like here here. I think this
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is why I'm this is why it keeps rubbing me
the wrong way, because I feel like it's going like
it's going towards where it shouldn't go. In terms of
Jeff Saturday, I don't look at Jeff Saturday as someone
who was a part of undermining Reich. I don't. Well,
no one said that, but that's how I feel like
the narrative when when these things are discussed, I know
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people are throwing er, say under the or saying or
say is the one that that is the problem. But
what becomes the focus of it is the person that
was brought in and was put in the position. And
so now you're looking at a guy that may not
have had anything to do with what took place with
the previous coach. And I don't know what the relationship
was between the previous coach and the players, but those
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players were not playing They weren't playing well on defense either.
The team wasn't playing well period. There was an underachieving team.
So so if the owner wants to make a decision
where he goes in a different direction, whether he is
micromanaging or not, that's his prerogative. Yeah, it doesn't mean
it's it's a good decision. It doesn't mean it's a
(31:21):
good decision forget it right. Which again, we can debate
it all day about Hey, you can own a team,
you can make whatever decision you want. That's awesome. The
reality is it doesn't make it the right way of
doing it. There is a right and wrong, and I
think we'd all agree if someone came to you LeVar
and said, hey, you need to do this, and you
do it and then it doesn't work. And then he goes,
(31:42):
all right, you need to do this now, and you
do it and it doesn't work. And then you oh,
you need to do this now, and you do it
and it doesn't work. And then he goes, well you're fired,
and you're like, what a second, You just told me
to do these three things and now op caned for it,
like I'm sorry, Like that's a wrong. That doesn't make it.
I know you own a team, you can do whatever
you want. That doesn't make it right, though. That's the
only thing I don't like. Like he could, he could
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be a great head coach. It just it doesn't matter
in the end. Though, if if Frank Wright got job
and Nick Sirianti is trying to because here's the things
Frank reight stock it out right said he can't. It
hurt his next chance of getting a head coaching chob
So someone has to speak for him. And I think
that's what Nick Sirianni is doing in that moment. I guess.
I mean, you won the game. You didn't come in
there and beat the brakes off of them, and and
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and you could sit there and triumphantly say, you know,
that's why we came in here and small. I love
that we had the ability to beat them the way
that we did. Like you pulled a game out in
the last second, you didn't win. You weren't winning at
any point in time in the game until you won
the game. That's the first time you lad the game
was when you won the game. And I get it.
That win, there's a win, but there are just like
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you said, there's ways of getting rid of a coach
or a fire in a coach. There's a that was
that was a you pulled the win out. You you
were dead the rights. To be honest, you were did
the rights in the game. And you can look at
some of the things that happened in the game and
say that face mask call that wasn't called. There are
there are moments in that game where it could have
been them losing that game very easily. You won the game, great,
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But I don't sit there and look at the way
you won the game as this is uh, we we
did it for Frank, Like, Okay, lean on that tree
stump again, buddy, Hey, Joe, I got your back. Joe's
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to not do anything is to disrespect to By the way,
just just just so you know, don't let the weeds
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get the that's are our report? All right? Oh? I
got a list, Yeah, I gotta list. I'm gonna start.
I'm gonna start with first, I traveled to go to
a place on Friday and would have liked to have
just traveled and got there on Friday. That doesn't happen,
So I end up being in Carolina for a night
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and barely having sleep. So that's the first part of it,
all right, miss flight. They canceled a flight because they
didn't have a captain to fly our our plane. Like
that's pretty crazy. Like we got on, everybody's ready to go,
we get off because we don't have captain. All right,
we're standing there, all right, So I get into the
cat right, This is where it gets bad. Right, it's
one am. Dude keeps yawning. All right, he's tired, and
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his yawns were so deep that he was like it
was making him belch, and he was he was like
it was like he was belting, and then he was
like then he was swallowing the belt and yawning. I
felt like I was sitting in a car full of
trash bags wide open that was heated up to at
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least five degrees. This man's breath was so bad. I
was dry heaving in my and almost throwing up in
my mouth on a ten minute ride. And he just
kept What made it horrible is that he kept yawning
and then belching. It was like and then he belt right,
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it was bad. It was bad, alright, it was bad, alright,
next next next I r. So. Now I'm in the
airport the next day and I'm at the customer service right,
and I'm sitting there. I'm like talking to the lady.
And this one lady who's sitting down comes walking over
to me and she's like crying, She's visibly upset, and
she goes, did you miss your flight to Europe too?
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What are we gonna do? And I was like, no, miss,
I didn't miss my flight to Europe. I'm just making
sure I checked to see because I've already missed another
flight because I was sent to the wrong gates. And second,
you really do have notes? Oh yeah, I had this
mess was I had to take notes on this right,
it's in it. She goes and walks away, and the
(37:39):
lady goes, yeah, she had to miss her flight to
Europe Europe because she was too drunk on the plane
on her connecting flight to go to Europe. So she's
in the airport and can't get to Europe because she
was too drunk to get on. I was like, I'm
looking at I was like, man, she doesn't look too
like people get banged up on on planes like. She
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didn't looked like she was like belligerently drunk. It's kind
of bad that she didn't get on the plane. All right,
then I'm gonna give you my last one. All right,
here's my last one. So on the way back, I
almost had to stay in Texas last night because once
again we're on delay. I heard, like what, everybody turns around.
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Everybody's up in the uproar right. Finally, like ten minutes later,
they're they're going to board us. And as we're getting
on board, the lady that the gate person, she goes, yeah,
you're not getting on, And he goes, oh the hell,
I hate the hell I hate I'm getting on. She goes,
you're not getting on. I'm getting on. Were you gonna
give me my money back? And you're gonna give me
my luggage? You're giving it all back? And he's popping off.
(38:46):
Call the cops. Cops are standing right there. Cops came
and grabbed him up one time, arafted him up a
lot of ills. Yeah, I think he probably still waiting
for the judge to come in and get him. Man
oh man, that scene he want. I don't travel all
that much. Breath. Yeah, y'all, Halitosa is use some mouthwash man,
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keep it in your mouth, corpse breath. Oh my gosh.
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we had a big time matchup in the a f
C East yesterday and man Oman did those offenses live
up to it? Ten three the final, the New England
Patriots get it done over the New York Jets, and
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look they went it on a punt return touchdown. Congratulations
of the Pats they get it done there. Um that
I didn't. I'm trying to think the last time there
was a special teams touchdown to any game. I think
it was two thousand fifteen, maybe something like that. It's
been a long time since you see a game end
like that in crunch time on a return for a touchdown.
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But I think a lot of the conversation, though, is
now pointing towards the glaring issue that the New York
Jets have a quarterback ding ding ding ding ding. That
was a guess, Like at some point people have to
stop being so sensitive about it and upset when you're
critical of Zach Wilson and just call it what it is,
(02:11):
Like has he progressed at all? Like it like yesterday
was brutal, Like he through for seventy seven yards. And
I'm not saying that Mac Jones lit up, but I
think the percentage or the stat line for like the
last what was it, the last three four minutes of
the game was like what was it? Like three or
four yards? What's something crazy? How little the the stat
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was for like the last three minutes or something or
so of the game, Like the game was on the line,
and he couldn't he couldn't do it. He could brutal.
Man couldn't hit the side of a barn. Yeah, it's brutal.
And I don't know what to make of it, man, Like,
it's it just feeling, you know. Jonas and LaVar. I
was asking Jonas about this yesterday because we're talking about
(02:54):
that particular game. I forget what we're mentioning. But the
point Jonas made was like, when has anyone defended a
Jets quarterback or even a New York Giants quarterback the
way the New York media market has defended or even
the fans for the Jets have defended Zack Wilson. And
the oddest thing about it is you literally, when you
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look through all the players. We talked about this a
little bit last week, when you looked at all those
quarterbacks in the first couple of years, they were all
statistically better. Like it's not really even close. And so
it's just so odd now that there's been this defense
of him for some reason where there's no attachment whatsoever
to this player. And like, look, I I know I've
(03:40):
sounded critical at times of him. I was more critical
of the selection and the expectation of him, like knowing
the Jets organization and the undertaking they were going through,
which there's no doubt you can't deny the rosters had
a better spot. Defensively, They've got a good defense. Robert S.
Law is a good defensive coach. Offensively, it's they're still
(04:01):
work in progress. They faced some injuries on the offensive
line that's played a factor. Corey Davis didn't play yesterday.
That obviously hurt them in this matchup because they needed
some firepower, someone who could separate. But even if he
did play, Jonas posted the question, the things that I
was concerned about coming out from college are still issues now,
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all right. The guys small, I thought, is there a
chance he's gonna get banged out with the way he plays?
Tries to scramble around because he doesn't see well, yeah,
has he been injured throughout the first couple of seasons, Yeah, okay,
still concerned. The one season where people try to put
him on the map was versus a group of five schedule,
And every single time I kept watching and people talk
about tight window throws, I was like, he's just kind
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of throwing balls up to guys who are just better
than their competition because b y U that season, because
of COVID, didn't play a tough schedule is a group
of five schedule. And so all the things that I
saw in film dating back way back when are deal
issues now and not being the work through progressions, are
not seeing the field well. And now you know, does
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he have the ability to throw it from different arm angles? Yeah? Sure, Okay,
a lot of guys can do that. Now. Hell, they're
training that now. I mean, LaVar, you can probably go
go to any private quarterback trainer and go watch the
way they're training these kids. And I'll be honest with you,
I think it's awful for the game because now everyone
and everyone's seen every like private quarterback coach wants to
convince these young quarterbacks that you have to play like
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Patrick Mahomes who win a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, there's Tom
Brady at forty five years old, who is one of
the best fundamental sound quarterbacks that's ever played, and he's
the most successful quarterback that's ever played. Yet no one's
trying to go through the boring, monotonous drills of doing
everything Tom Brady has done. Instead, they want to do
these off platform brows and cross body throws and things.
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It's like, okay, but one, you only do that two
percent of the time at quarterback, and the other point
would be that's that's not gonna be the plays that
make it for you anyway. So I just I think
if you look at the struggles that he's had, you know,
some of that has to do with these a young player,
he needs more experience. That's part of it. You know,
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if the Jets gonna be patient enough with Zach Wilson
through this year through next year, he'll eventually evolve into
a quarterback that can play. Like These guys don't get
drafted to the NFL and aren't capable. They're capable, but
they do have ceilings and at some point you have
to build around them to not allow their weaknesses to
be exploited and play to their strengths and they're just
(06:33):
not quite there yet and it's gonna take some time.
So I I mean, look, I'm not ever surprised by
the result or what we've kind of seen. I'm a dork.
I watch film, I see this stuff, and I just
go none of it's surprising. Eventually, Jets fans and maybe
the Jets organization will come around to realize some of that.
It's a bizarre thing, man, the way that they defend him.
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I don't, I don't understand. It's almost like they've got
money on like future bets and like his total touchdowns
thrown in a season, and and they've got they've rixed
their entire mortgage and family fortune on it, and they've
got to be right about it. Like what what more
do you need to see before people look at it
and go, yeah, there's an issue here, Like I just
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I don't. I don't understand the love affair with him
and that the people that run to the Zach Wilson
Defense League to try and stick up for him. Like
listen to Robert Sali. Robert Sali sounds like he's getting
close to the point where he's no longer keeping receipts
and now he's just gonna start calling people out here,
was the Jets head coach after the game. Seven possessions
(07:36):
only two totally yards. Um knows it's a crappy way
to lose. Feel like your exchange and blows from a
defensive standpoint on both sides of the b from both teams,
and somebody could just make a play and get it
the overtime. They made a play in the in the
kid game. I mean, he seems upset. Now, I do
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want to throw this at Well. It's a part because
with a win, they got the first place in NFC Sea.
With that loss, they're now like, I do want to
I ask LaVar. So pretend you're a member of the
New York Chats on defense, right, and you just did
what you did. You held the Patriots to three points.
(08:19):
How about this? You just got them to punt again.
You're you're running off the field. You have to run
by Zack Wilson as you're coming off the field. Well,
what are you saying at this moment late in the
fourth quarter. Well, you know, I'm one. I'm I'm one
of those guys. You know I would have been like
q W two f bro like W t I'm you
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know what I would have said. I would have said,
let's go, Like I would have looked you in your eyes,
and I would have felt like the look into your
eyes from me like hopefully like a respected teammate. You
know this down and the other meaning something to the
team and we're fighting our asses off I wouldn't have
been judgmental of the offense. I would have just looked
at my QB and eyes and been like, you got this. Yeah,
(09:02):
you want to hear Zach Wilson after that, pretend you're
still that same defect to say after the game, super frustrating,
You know it is. It is a frustrating day. Of course.
You know I feel like I had had some balls
I got away from me. Um. But you know, we
gotta find a way as an offense. We gotta do
some We gotta do some dig and watch the film
and see what we can do better as an offense though.
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I mean, when you guys are only able to score
three points, the defense only lets up three points, I mean,
do you do you feel like you let the defense
down at all? So there is WTF now next game,
next game or next practice. If I if I heard,
if I heard that sound bite. If I heard that
(09:43):
sound bite, like, w tf you mean you didn't let
you let the offense the defense, You let us down,
like you let us down. You let yourself down, you
let your mom down, you let your family down, You
let down everybody who defends you, and it looks up
to you and looks out you. You let them down.
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It's okay to have moments of letting people down. You
don't have to regret them, because moments of letting yourself
down and letting others down that only serves to build
you up more moving into the future. But the quickest
way to put yourself in an alienated situation is to
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not accept the responsibility of of the magnitude of what
it is that you're connected to that you're not owning,
even if, even if, even if, let's just say for
one minute, that it was something else other than him
that was responsible for the low out output of of points.
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Take it, take it, and on it, because that's what
a leader should do then, and and it's always let's
be better the next time, you know, take that because
it would again. We we say this a lot on
the show because it's kind of statistically, it's kind of
what it's supposed to be going into a game. If
a defense holds you to twenty points that and below,
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the offense is supposed to get more than that. That's
what the offense is if you get. If you get
a defense that holds an offense to under twenty points,
you're supposed to win that game. By the way, Zach
Wilson also blamed the wind as well too, But they
had to deal deal with the winds. And one person
that that is is I think people will agree and
will applied for defending um Zack Wilson is is UM
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staunchly and as as fiercely as as they do would
be Bill Belichick. You know. Bill Belichick defended him like
really really really well, you know, and and it was
actually the justified type of of defense. You know. It
was like literal lead and figuratively defended. Zach Willison likes
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playing him. Wait, so the wind was bad, but Mac
Jones had four completions and almost three for two or
fifty yards, right, Yeah, I mean, I'm just I'm trying
to get this straight. Like, by the way, that game
we should't have been as close as it was. Nick
Folk obviously had to miss Fueld goals went off. The
crossbar was the other one, UM, little wide left, I believe,
which but that's one of those if you if you
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just saw the box score, you saw the missfield goals
in your Pats fan might have been frustrated. He did
have Michael Pollardi holding. That's not as normal holder, So
that I definitely could have played a factor, on top
of the fact that the wind in the kicking game
tends to play more of a factor there too. By
the way, they've beaten the Jets now fourteen straight times,
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fourteen straight games, the Patriots have beaten the Jets. Jesus Christ,
that's dominance. Fourteen times. You can't get one. You know,
what's interesting happening? At him? What are we doing? What's
interesting about? Like, let's just say how this could be
a turning point for the Jet season potentially. I mean,
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who knows, who knows what kind of resolved they've got.
They played what Chicago next week? Fields end up banging
up his non throwing shoulder. UM, so not sure of
his injury status. Maybe they finally get a backup quarterback
for once this season. Now, those Jets always get tough matchups.
But but, but Again, the interesting thing is if you're
coming into this past week and I think they were
(13:23):
like drafting somewhere like first round because of their record,
I think after the loss, now might be like eighteen.
But let's just go down the road. Because I said
this before the season started, and I think this is
where people felt like I was being critical is Zach Wilson,
And I wasn't. I was just pointing out the obvious,
which apparently no one saw his obvious. If this team
did struggle, then they're gonna be in a position where
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they're gonna be looking potentially at quarterbacks because you have
to do that due diligence. As you know, depending on
who you are within that organization Joe Douglas, a general
manager or anyone else, feel Savage, etcetera, etcetera, they all
are going to have to look at the quarterback class
and say, is this guy better than the guy we have?
And can we after two years, let's say, let's move
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on because we've got to figure this this position out
and so far it hasn't looked good. And we and
I talked about it before the season with the whole
Hayes hooking up with other you know, other moms and
all that. Guess guess what there if that's gonna that's
gonna serve him become the spring. If things going to
a tail spin, not focused, not focused, doesn't care enough
about football, He's not about the right things. They'll go,
(14:30):
They'll go find someone in the draft. That is problem
is they're not gonna be able to draft because of
where they're drafting at and they're gonna have to give
up more draft capital like their their success early on
in this season could actually hamper their ability to go
after a quarterback and next year's draft, even if they
feel like that's their need, because of where their draft
position could end up being. So. Connor Hughes from s
(14:53):
n Y. Uh he reported yesterday that sources inside the
Jets locker room told s n Y that Wilson was
walking around after the game like he isn't the problem.
It rubbed more than a few of the wrong way,
frustrating several others. And that was before he even spoke afterwards.
Um and confirmed it. Yeah, and uh that that Jets
players are are pretty fed up with just the walking around.
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I'm not the problem. It's not me not being accountable
sort of aspect to all this, so you know, the
between blaming the wind, not being accountable, not feeling like
he's let the defense down. I mean, this could just
turn on him and backfire in a hurry, right I
would if I'm a leader. This is where leadership matters.
This is where sometimes you know, defenders like tickers, punters,
(15:39):
old hits, sometimes these are the moments where somebody just
needs to pull him to the side and be like, hey, listen, man,
let me just give you a little bit of perspective,
like can we talk like I've done this more than
so many times, and and just said, you know, let's go,
let's go get some wings or something man like, let's
let's go talk, and we'll go sit down and I'll
talk to it like I would have talked to it
like a young guy, young quarterback or a young player
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running back, whatever it may have been, and just been like, listen, like,
let me like, let me give you just a different
you know, understanding of little things can become big things.
And and we talk about those details as it applies
to playing in the game and how it applies to plays.
But a lot of times you gotta pay attention to
those little things as it applies to what you say
and do in in the media, and and and what
(16:25):
you say to people around the building. You have to
be cognizant and aware of that. So let me like
just put it in front of you, like listen, It's okay.
You're you're in a position where a lot of people
are paying attention to you. You you have a lot
of support and a lot of guys want to see
you have success. So in situations like you know what
(16:47):
happened last week, and I would actually point out the
actual quote, like listen, when somebody asked you a question
like that, it's always take to high the high road
on how you respond responsibility that absolutely, so paters take
accountability for and so that would be. And then if
(17:08):
he continued to be that person, then now you gotta
say to yourself, because here's what happens, right, Nobody had
to know that me and him went out and had
that conversation, but he and I know we had that conversation.
So if he continues to be that person that doesn't
show leadership or show that that type of accountability, then
now you have to approach it as such. From then
(17:29):
where his his personality traits could actually be a problem
in the detriment to our team. I wouldn't look at
their schedule real quick the rest of the way. So
they play Chicago next week, Then they're at Minnesota Buffalo.
Then they go verse Detroit at home, which could be
a game now yeah, well yeah, Detroit's one three in
a row. They look better, they look different than they
(17:50):
host Jacksonville, which that's a much more winnable game, but
that's on a short week, so who knows. Then they
finished at Seattle at Miami, which the Miami game obviously
is going to be incredibly significant, not only for the
division but for playoff standings. And obviously you're on the
road and you're back to back weeks on the road,
have to go off East coast trip, which Seattle still
(18:11):
in the hunt. That's gonna be a significant game on
their end of things. So the schedule, which I thought
lightened up a lot more after there by and now
doesn't look so much like it's lightened up. The Bears
are playing better football. And the toughest thing about this
next week matchup is he's got a guy in Justin
Fields who you know. I look, I had Justin Fields
(18:32):
rated higher than him, much higher than him in that
quarterback draft class, and with the progress that Fields has made.
If the Bears win that game and Fields continues to
play the way he has, it's gonna be staring the
Jets front office right in the face, Jets fans right
in the face that hey, maybe this is the guy
you should have taken. I mean, outside of Tray Lands,
(18:56):
every single quarterback from that draft class in the first
round has shown either either that they can play or
significant improvement. Except for Zach Wilson. I even think you
could lump in Davids Mills. No. I know, Houston, yes,
this year and all that, but he's got so much
less to work the Jets have, and his rookie season
(19:17):
was far better. It's uh yeah, it's gonna be wild
to see how that turns on Zach Wilson. There in
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can't get no unless I'm Michael douglas saddest fat But
I tried, but I tried, But I tried, I tried.
(20:23):
I ain't Michael Michael Douglas. That's Burnos here. Man, this
is a different movie. I haven't even seen this movie.
I know, what is it? Fatal Attraction? Oh oh yeah,
I've seen Fatal Attraction. How many movies? I mean, how
many movies are there? Michael Douglas just getting it in
(20:47):
the way that he gets it in. How many of
you think there are a lot? I mean, just you know,
go through Burno's Top ten everything. You can start by
how many has he not got it right? I mean, man,
it's like, like, what are you gonna do? I'm gonna
be an actor, Okay, that's cool. I'm gonna go into Hollywood.
I'm gonna do movies Like what's going what are you
going to be known for? Like what's gonna be your
(21:10):
your signature moments that everybody remembers you by? Michael Douglas said,
getting it yep. And what do you mean by that? Well,
you just gotta watch Michael Douglas. I mean you just
see his bare ass every scene. Michael Douglas, God forbid,
you're on an elevator with him. He is an animal,
I mean in football terms, savage. I started thinking about
(21:35):
like I started thinking, and I know this is kind
of off topic, but so what right? I know, we
got sound bites to get to and all that, but
this is kind of interesting. I was like checking out,
like you know, I'd go, I'm I'm kind of like
a geek and a dork on getting all like information
and certain news and this that and other, and I'll
(21:55):
be looking at stuff and then I saw the gazelle,
you know, Tom Brady stuff pop up and and it's
like Gody like not the jiu jitsu trainer, not not
not the fight trainer, like oh man, So now that
stuff is popping up, and then I just why do
I think of like someone like Michael Douglas, Like can
you imagine like Tom Brady? If you know Tom brady
(22:16):
dating history, then you probably sit there and say, you
know what Tom Brady is is an all American looking guy.
But you can look at what he's done in his
dating history and you could say Tom Brady gets it
in though, like Tom gets it in and you listen,
he's my litter mate. So I'm I feel comfortable with
saying it. But let me tell you something. I can't
(22:37):
even imagine what Tom Brady's rebound, rebound phase to getting
back to normal will be for him. Can't. I can't.
I can't even Michael Douglas, North King Tong have anything
on Tom Brady. I just had to get that out.
(23:01):
He's going to do good. It might be the only
thing that I would say if I if I wanted
to be a part of one thing in my life,
if you said, you know what, you have one opportunity
to go be somebody else for a moment of of
twelve to fifteen, sixteen months. I'm gonna be Tom Brady
(23:22):
this offseason. This offseason, I don't even need that many months.
Give me two months. That give me one month, because
I'm old. Give me one month. Give me one month
of his off season, just one. I just want one month. Yeah,
he's gonna do okay, I think I think he'll be fine. Oh,
his glow up is going to be epic. It's going
(23:43):
to be the recovery once he once he's recovered, it's
it's back to normal. Everything's cool. But but the recovery time.
I want one month of it. Yeah, selfish, I mean,
I'll tell you this right now. Yeah, it's probably he's
got to make sure he's prepared for it. Well, I mean,
it's probably worth having a tailgate for into the Foxardo
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the Philadelphia Eagles survived yesterday against the fighting Jeff Saturdays
(24:27):
of the Indianapolis Colts. Philly survives, They get it done
a late game win, and Philly improves their record to
nine and one on the season. By the way, the
last times they've been nine and one, they've all gone
to the Super Bowl. Now they won the one. But
I don't know if that's a sign of what could
be happening here. But the Philadelphia Eagles get it done.
But Indianapolis does look better, do they not? They're there?
(24:52):
They were team. So is that the coach or the
fact that the right corp that's gonna say you gotta
you gotta add. But you know what, there's two there's
two things I would add to it. Belief, like there's
a belief in what's going on that it looks like
this is a team that's playing they're playing to win.
And then also, um also the idea of less stress.
(25:15):
You know, I thought, like, I remember, I had one coach.
I'll leave him nameless, but I had a coach and
the way he coached made you feel stressed. Like maybe
there's there there's the idea and I don't want to
put this on on on the coach that that they
let go, because I don't know this to be certain,
but it's there's the possibility that you can. It's like,
why are these guys under performing? They came into the season,
(25:38):
they're highly rated, or you're looking at how many good
players they have on the team and the possibilities that
could come from them. This should be a top team.
This should be a top performing team. Why are they
not performing up to that standard? This When I was
watching them play yesterday while I was sitting in the airport,
they did not look like a team that was playing tight,
(26:00):
like we gotta win this play. We gotta win this play.
If we lose this play, like I gotta make this throw,
I gotta make like it just looks like they're just
they're having fun playing. They're flying around, they're making good catches.
Matt Ryan is like he's moving differently, you know the way,
and I mean outside of a couple of the plays,
but he's moving differently for the most part, not like
(26:21):
for me. It's just kind of they don't look like
a team that that is under duress. They just look
like a team that believes in what's going on and
they're performing, and then they came up short against a
really good team yesterday. Yeah, and it was impressive by
Philly getting that done late. Now, Um, you want to
hear some pies on passion. Yeah, let's see. So Nick
(26:44):
Sirianti was a former assistant of Frank Reich's in Indianapolis
before he joined the Philadelphia Eagles, and he was really
fired up after the game. And some people would probably think, Okay,
why is Nick Sirianni like so jacked up after the game?
I mean, they were heavy favorites on the road. They
have clearly won this game. They survived. If anything, why
is he so fired up? Here was the Eagle side coach.
(27:06):
I'm emotional because I love Frank Reich, I really do,
and he's a He's one of the best damn football
coaches I ever been around. So I was hoping that
that him and I would be able to coach against
each other, uh in this game. But he he's one
of my biggest mentors. I got my dad, I got
Larry Harrison, and I got Frank Reich and Franks such
a good football coach. And uh, yeah, you don't want
(27:27):
to know what I think. Uh. If you should be
here or not. But because you guys can probably imagine
what I really think. Um and I love him, and
so I got a little bit emotional about that, And
it was good to see the guys that I really
cared about. I spent a lot of time here, my
kids come. One of my child children was born here,
and it's a it was sweet to come here, especially
with what happened in this organization of the last couple
of weeks. And and and get the win, the win.
(27:49):
We live in Indianapolis with uh win, take that Gimmer.
So I mean you were down down seven nothing in
the first quarter, you were down ten three, and sing quarter,
you were down thirteen three in the third quarter, Like
take your win, take your win. I get it. I
(28:10):
mean I get where he's coming from. I mean it's
not like you came in there and beat the s
out of him. You didn't come in there and like,
oh this was for ch like you didn't like you
dominated him, Like take your win. I don't think it
was that. I think it was just more of the
fact that you know, he's close with Frank. And I
(28:30):
don't know how anyone couldn't look at how things transpired
and not like not sit there and look at Jim mursaying,
go hold on a second, Like, if you just wanted
to put Jeff Saturday and there's your head coach, you
should have done it before the season. Why why would
you drag frank Reich through that where you bench a
guy who's five hundred as your started his first year
in the system. I know it didn't look good, but
(28:52):
there were some games where it looked all right, But
why would you Why would you bench that guy? Tell
him to fires offensive coordinators? I the calling plays, you know,
put in put in a younger quarterback just to what
see what do you have in him? And then after
that you decide to just fire him too. I just
the whole thing. I think it's it's very deserving that
(29:15):
they look at it and they go okay, Like at
the end of the day, like like Jim r say,
it's probably slapping the face to him, and it should
be for the way you handled things of Frank Reich.
I don't know how anyone looks at that and doesn't
think that Frank Reich got a raw deal. At the
end of the day. A lot of guys get raw, dude,
But it's the Matt Ryan thing that's suspected, and that's
(29:36):
what I'm saying. You put him back in then, and
it's like, okay, I mean I just by the way
a lot of people get raw deals, not like that.
I mean not. We're like a guy micro manages it
to the point where over a three week, four week period,
your career is done. There. And that guy meddled in
the whole thing. I mean, I get it, that happens
in Dallas every year. But he got handcuffed and was
(29:56):
told you were playing sam Elling or Matt Ryan's not playing,
and and the new guy comes in, it's like, all right,
we'll let you play who you want. But forever all
of that plays out, All of that plays out in
a press conference with with the winning coach of of
a tight ass game like here here. I think this
(30:17):
is why I'm this is why it keeps rubbing me
the wrong way, because I feel like it's going like
it's going towards where it shouldn't go. In terms of
Jeff Saturday, I don't look at Jeff Saturday as someone
who was a part of undermining Reich. I don't. Well,
no one said that, but that's how I feel like
the narrative when when these things are discussed, I know
(30:39):
people are throwing er, say under the or saying or
say is the one that that is the problem. But
what becomes the focus of it is the person that
was brought in and was put in the position. And
so now you're looking at a guy that may not
have had anything to do with what took place with
the previous coach. And I don't know what the relationship
was between the previous coach and the players, but those
(31:01):
players were not playing They weren't playing well on defense either.
The team wasn't playing well period. There was an underachieving team.
So so if the owner wants to make a decision
where he goes in a different direction, whether he is
micromanaging or not, that's his prerogative. Yeah, it doesn't mean
it's it's a good decision. It doesn't mean it's a
(31:21):
good decision forget it right. Which again, we can debate
it all day about Hey, you can own a team,
you can make whatever decision you want. That's awesome. The
reality is it doesn't make it the right way of
doing it. There is a right and wrong, and I
think we'd all agree if someone came to you LeVar
and said, hey, you need to do this, and you
do it and then it doesn't work. And then he goes,
(31:42):
all right, you need to do this now, and you
do it and it doesn't work. And then you oh,
you need to do this now, and you do it
and it doesn't work. And then he goes, well you're fired,
and you're like, what a second, You just told me
to do these three things and now op caned for it,
like I'm sorry, Like that's a wrong. That doesn't make it.
I know you own a team, you can do whatever
you want. That doesn't make it right, though. That's the
only thing I don't like. Like he could, he could
(32:07):
be a great head coach. It just it doesn't matter
in the end. Though, if if Frank Wright got job
and Nick Sirianti is trying to because here's the things
Frank reight stock it out right said he can't. It
hurt his next chance of getting a head coaching chob
So someone has to speak for him. And I think
that's what Nick Sirianni is doing in that moment. I guess.
I mean, you won the game. You didn't come in
there and beat the brakes off of them, and and
(32:29):
and you could sit there and triumphantly say, you know,
that's why we came in here and small. I love
that we had the ability to beat them the way
that we did. Like you pulled a game out in
the last second, you didn't win. You weren't winning at
any point in time in the game until you won
the game. That's the first time you lad the game
was when you won the game. And I get it.
That win, there's a win, but there are just like
(32:50):
you said, there's ways of getting rid of a coach
or a fire in a coach. There's a that was
that was a you pulled the win out. You you
were dead the rights. To be honest, you were did
the rights in the game. And you can look at
some of the things that happened in the game and
say that face mask call that wasn't called. There are
there are moments in that game where it could have
been them losing that game very easily. You won the game, great,
(33:13):
But I don't sit there and look at the way
you won the game as this is uh, we we
did it for Frank, Like, Okay, lean on that tree
stump again, buddy, Hey, Joe, I got your back. Joe's
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Intimate the best man can guess. All right, I mean
to not do anything is to disrespect to By the way,
just just just so you know, don't let the weeds
grow man, definitely true. Um. By the way, it's time
for something we do every single Monday. It's called this
after your sports week at happens. So it's time to
(35:26):
get the that's are our report? All right? Oh? I
got a list, Yeah, I gotta list. I'm gonna start.
I'm gonna start with first, I traveled to go to
a place on Friday and would have liked to have
just traveled and got there on Friday. That doesn't happen,
So I end up being in Carolina for a night
(35:46):
and barely having sleep. So that's the first part of it,
all right, miss flight. They canceled a flight because they
didn't have a captain to fly our our plane. Like
that's pretty crazy. Like we got on, everybody's ready to go,
we get off because we don't have captain. All right,
we're standing there, all right, So I get into the
cat right, This is where it gets bad. Right, it's
one am. Dude keeps yawning. All right, he's tired, and
(36:10):
his yawns were so deep that he was like it
was making him belch, and he was he was like
it was like he was belting, and then he was
like then he was swallowing the belt and yawning. I
felt like I was sitting in a car full of
trash bags wide open that was heated up to at
(36:32):
least five degrees. This man's breath was so bad. I
was dry heaving in my and almost throwing up in
my mouth on a ten minute ride. And he just
kept What made it horrible is that he kept yawning
and then belching. It was like and then he belt right,
(36:55):
it was bad. It was bad, alright, it was bad, alright,
next next next I r. So. Now I'm in the
airport the next day and I'm at the customer service right,
and I'm sitting there. I'm like talking to the lady.
And this one lady who's sitting down comes walking over
to me and she's like crying, She's visibly upset, and
she goes, did you miss your flight to Europe too?
(37:17):
What are we gonna do? And I was like, no, miss,
I didn't miss my flight to Europe. I'm just making
sure I checked to see because I've already missed another
flight because I was sent to the wrong gates. And second,
you really do have notes? Oh yeah, I had this
mess was I had to take notes on this right,
it's in it. She goes and walks away, and the
(37:39):
lady goes, yeah, she had to miss her flight to
Europe Europe because she was too drunk on the plane
on her connecting flight to go to Europe. So she's
in the airport and can't get to Europe because she
was too drunk to get on. I was like, I'm
looking at I was like, man, she doesn't look too
like people get banged up on on planes like. She
(38:02):
didn't looked like she was like belligerently drunk. It's kind
of bad that she didn't get on the plane. All right,
then I'm gonna give you my last one. All right,
here's my last one. So on the way back, I
almost had to stay in Texas last night because once
again we're on delay. I heard, like what, everybody turns around.
(38:23):
Everybody's up in the uproar right. Finally, like ten minutes later,
they're they're going to board us. And as we're getting
on board, the lady that the gate person, she goes, yeah,
you're not getting on, And he goes, oh the hell,
I hate the hell I hate I'm getting on. She goes,
you're not getting on. I'm getting on. Were you gonna
give me my money back? And you're gonna give me
my luggage? You're giving it all back? And he's popping off.
(38:46):
Call the cops. Cops are standing right there. Cops came
and grabbed him up one time, arafted him up a
lot of ills. Yeah, I think he probably still waiting
for the judge to come in and get him. Man
oh man, that scene he want. I don't travel all
that much. Breath. Yeah, y'all, Halitosa is use some mouthwash man,
(39:06):
keep it in your mouth, corpse breath. Oh my gosh.
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