November 21, 2022 • 47 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas, Brady and LaVar recap some of the biggest games from the weekend including Travis Kelce leading the Chiefs over the Chargers. They call out the Zach Wilson Defense League after another horrible performance and refusal to take accountability. The Broncos are a dumpster fire, but who’s most happy about it between the Raiders, Pete Carroll and Sean Payton?
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It's the best of two pros and a couple of
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here on Monday? I get it today, you've given up Jonas.
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I noticed how you just kept talking. You usually give
him that little extra bit of space to say it. Yeah,
it's just you just don't even wait for it anymore. Yeah,
I just it's been so long, I don't remember what
it was. I mean, but people do listen to our
little bits. See I see the signs that you were
getting Q like that, Like people listen to our bits.
It's pretty cool. It's gonna say we we we had.
I spotted one, spotted one right before the show, by
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the way, Actually I might have been during the show.
I didn't see it until during the middle of the show,
and I pointed at him and I said you, I said,
we're getting a picture. And then I went down during
the break and our our stage man, I was like,
where the hell did you go? We've got twenty seconds
we're does he? Does he really sound like that the
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guy I was asking for. It's a woman, you said, guy,
Sorry for the picture. Sorry about that alright, So hence
the stage manager right, No carrious carry? Okay, isn't it carry?
Britt can technically like beat down there for a segment.
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But I could be wrong by the way it could
be carry being the producer in such fassion that Britt
carries my homie, she is the dopist. Carry gets it
done good over here, all have to do this, okay?
In five four, like, yeah, yeah, well she's she's like
she's a goat, Like she does Sundays too, Like she's
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she's a goat. And but from DC. That's how I
know we used to work locally. How about that. I
don't even know her through Fox. I know her through
through Comcast. Yeah. Yeah, and I worked with her sister,
to her sisters and as a media to Full credit
to Brady Quinn, the one guy on the set of
Big New Kickoff who wasn't dressed like he was in
the idea rod congratulations. I mean like they made it
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seem like I love that word about the way I did. Yeah,
I think it's such a snow Like what was what
was we were the Tempts in Waco because everybody was
a pregame. Looked like they were in the middle of Siberia.
Like was it that bad? It was pretty cool. I
mean it was like I think the high it was
like the low forties, and then there was a pretty
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decent little wind, so it was it was. I mean, look,
you sit in the cushy studio, so you don't know,
really you're not like a real guy who goes down
to the elements and have to ask to deal with that, right,
you're not like a common man that actually has to
do labor outside in the elements. You wouldn't know that
it's it's it's actually it was actually cooler than you
one would imagine. So they bundled up. I was actually
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my my suit. It's it was made of like wool
like that thing was. I felt like I was wearing
a small like a sheep dog you had, you had
your fur on, dude, that that thing was warm. Now.
The only time I put on a jacket was then
once we're in the stadium, because I knew we were
gonna be outside and we don't have any heaters out
there underneath the desk, and I was like, all right,
we're gonna be outre for like an hour, so I'm
gonna go ahead and throw want a jacket because like
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a little chili. Well listen to congratulations and other flawless
performance execution by the big Newon boys there, and uh,
it was a great game. That was a fun game
to watch go down to the wire. Simultaneously between that
in Michigan and Illinois, that was that was a wild
uh wild fourth quarter in both those both those places.
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Crazy to think that Illinois has the chance to pass
up some of these other teams in the Big Ten,
Like there's the possibility there that exists as far as
long term or I think so it's possible, not this year,
because no, long term, I think they could do it.
I think they could. Yeah, I mean there's there's nothing
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was stopped them from dominating the Big Ten West. You know. Yeah,
it's uh that that seems to be the weaker side
of that conference about Maryland. I wouldn't. I mean they
almost they had it. Yeah, they had the other playing
well Sally, it's good, dude, Like like I think if
you're looking that next year's quarterback class, he factors into
me in some capacity, like when you put on his
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tape compared to some mothers out there, Like this isn't
a hot take, by the way, this is just what
I've seen this year. Taliah talking about Lois tape is
better than Will Levis's. But Will Levi as second Tuckey
has the size, he's at the arm strength, he's got
like that, he's got to look he's smart like he
you know all that stuff. But Taliah talking about Loa
has played better this year. Like if you're comparing tape
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tape to tape, Talia's played better, Like I don't by
the way, I don't even know if it's close. So
like that's that's gonna be one of those conversations for
the spring and all that. But that's one of the
funny things about college football, man, is is you just
you know? This season has been one of those seasons
that's it's been. It's been crazy at times, It's been
fun to watch, fun to watch. The league was fun
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to watch yesterday. Yeah, there was a lot of watch
from the airport. Can I want to ask you by
the I thing? I know what your your I R
is going to be, Like, Oh, I got a long
How do I have any I RS? Because I have
a whole bunch of I R s. Nothing, I have
a whole but I kept notes on my i R,
My my i R. My i R list is long
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and they don't even meet. Ain't even it's not even
my I R. Yeah, I got a little glimpse are
a little preview of that before the show. So that'll
be fine. Um, did you guys, I just want to
ask you your level percentage wise of doubt that Patrick
Mahomes and the Chiefs are going to score when they
got the ball back in the fourth quarter zero. There
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was not not for one second when he got the
ball back that I think, oh Man, Charges could come
up with a stop here. There was no chance. There's
no I would have fell with with I know Mike
Williams played but then left her the same ankle injury,
but Keenan Allen being back to like that you could
sell that help the Chargers offense. I would have felt
very similar about Justin Herbert though, like I don't know
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that I would have felt as confident, but I would
have felt similar. I think the interesting thing is how
many teams can say what you like, answer that question
that you just asked right now. I don't know that. Yeah,
I don't even know that there's that many that could
just that you look and you go, okay, they're trailing
on the road. They need a touchdown to score. They
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went seventy yards in a minute fifteen like and it
took sixth place like that. That's crazy to me. And
and some people are trying to make the comparison like, well,
you know Brady and his prime, you know he was
a guy that and and I'll get Brady full credit
for that obviously, but it just feels different when Mahomes
does it. It looks easy, like they could just pick
up a chunk yardage and they had to. Micole Hardman
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was out, jud Smith Schuster was at It's something he
was playing with, you know, fully loaded with all Kelsey. Yeah,
he's unbelievable. Yeah, it's crazy to think how easy Mahomes
and the Chiefs make it look when they're trailing and
they've got the ball and it's like, okay, we gotta
go seventy yards score, Yeah, that's easy. Six plays minute.
Fifth team were good and then you know, you get
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the tip pass interception at the end to is it.
But that's why we were talking last week. I don't
know that there's anybody close in the a f C.
Not Buffalo, not anybody to Kansas City right now. I
just don't think it's anywhere close. Buffalo. Man, they they
I don't know, they got they got to take a
pit stop, you know, like they kind of need to
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like change some tires or do I don't know, put
some more fuel. And I don't know what it is.
I mean, they won, you know, and and and they
pulled through, but it's kind of like man, like it's
like a struggle. Yeah, it's not what you would think
that how they would be playing right now. So would
text to me, we're having a conversation and like it
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was almost like a parenting tone talking to their child.
They were like, hey, Buffo, do we have a problem, Like,
do we have a problem right now? Like what is happening?
Was it was like this this like voice of like
panic about like especially the first half when Clevelands up
going wait, wait a second, like this isn't a dome now,
whether it's not impacting the game at all, you just
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thought Buffalo is gonna walk away with this one. And
I obviously Cleveland may have been maybe the games are
giving some credit, but uh just he was like what
is happening? Like yeah, obviously at late the points with Buffalo,
which depending on when you got that line, you're either
happy there was a cover or you weren't, because they
were actually a bigger favorite earlier in the week and
then later on the week they ended up getting into
a number that they were able to cover when it
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was all said and done. But I don't, I don't know, man,
like their defense and I know they've battled through some injuries, Like,
there's some concerning spots there, and I think overall offensively
just there's I don't know. I kind of feel like
they tend to be more consistently one dimensional and when
you watch the Chiefs last night what they do, like,
I don't know. I have more questions about the Bills
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right now, with the way the past few weeks have
gone too. I think you're both right. I think Kansas
City is a team in an FC and I think
that Buffalo has to, Like I said, they got to
tighten up. They gotta answer some questions. Is Mahomes Kelsey
better than Brady Gronk that combo that's a great one,
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kind of a hot tag, Like, I think Kelsey because
of his athleticism different, he's a better receiving He's probably
a better receiving tight end. But yards after the Cats, right, yeah,
I mean Gronk was just so darned big Grounk yards
after the catch were pretty impressive too, though grown kids probably,
And in my assessment, Gronk is the best most complete
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tight end in the history of our game, the best
most complete tight end. Now you if you want to
get into receiving tight ends, and they do this more,
they do this, this, that not more. Kelsey is in
the category and some of those, you know, Gonzales is
in the category of some of those. Shannon Sharp is
something that I feel like, Shannon Sharp is the best
receiving tight and ever. But that's because he was like
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a receiver. I mean, he wasn't really built like a
tight end. He was a receiver playing and that was
good enough to play tight end or had to do
with the s. Yeah, yeah, well there you go. That's
a good point. Yeah, that's a great point. Do you
think it was just the as he still yoked up
to this day. I'll tell you he's just naturally he's
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just what he is not. I mean, I think he
is built that way. Hold on, why did you pause? Well,
because I think he has built that way, you know.
You know, but I just said he wasn't built different.
He's still built different, you know. But but we I mean,
you know, it wasn't he wasn't that Denver locker room. Yeah,
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but the stories I heard about that Denver locker room,
by the way, you know, some of it ain't even
even like it ain't there Romo. They said Romo used
to come in with two briefcases and and and it
was like bro one for Bens is one of the
other business. But that was there for two years. We
heard stories about him and they were like, oh yeah,
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they're like his hotel room where we'd stay like night
before the game. It'd be like a science lab like that.
The whole that whole hotel room we turned into like
a science lab. Before they said what what you got?
The clap like okay, here he opened up his briefcase.
He had everything labeled what what you got? The sniffles okay, boom,
all right, what sword to okay boom boom boom, Like
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you take three d s da da da this time,
Like they said, he was like the doctor, like for real,
the mad scientist. For you got to think about this.
For a neanderthalish as people thought Bill Romanowski was that
dude never got caught. So he was so intelligent, how
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organized he was, and how designer he was. And I
ain't talking about clothes. He ain't never get caught. Now
here's my question. Is he deserving of the Hall of
Fame as a linebacker? Because I would say I would
say he's deserving of of getting in. He's got the
super Bowls obviously, but I don't know that anybody thinks
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of him individually as being a Hall of Famer. I
almost see s on on on Live Radio. Bill Romanowski
is one of the best linebackers to play the game.
Bill Romanowski is what you would consider to be eighties
nineties linebacker, no different than than the guys you saw
in Pittsburgh. I don't know why Greg Lloyd isn't in
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the Hall of Fame in mind, but that's mind boggling.
Two guys, Greg Lloyd certainly should be in the Hall
of Fame. Like that's that to me? Like that's a like,
don't don't y'all say anything to me like Q jonah,
don't say nothing to me about don't debate me on
Greg Lloyd because I will lose my s over Greg Lloyd. Now,
everybody else we could debate, but one dude that you can't.
There's two dudes you can't debate me on on Hall
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of Fame. Brett Taylor, Greg Lloyd. Those two should be
in the Hall of Fame. Like I feel like that's
a travesty. But Bill Romanowski maybe he shouldn't be in,
but shouldn't he be on the ballot shouldn't he be
up for his body of work is pretty phenomenal. He
played forever for a back. He did pay years and
that and that should be said that and he started
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pretty much every year and and he was on that
TV show was a prose versus studio that he was
lighting dudes he made. He made you, whoever's listening out
there right now. And if you ever thought in your
mind you could go play an NFL game, he squashed
that in that show. You're just lighting dudes up. Well
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passed his playing days and he did not care ending people,
absolutely ending people. My team was the first team to
ever lose to the Joe's. You were on that show.
You guys lost hold on what happened me, Mike Vick,
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Isaac Bruce, It's so what else? Maybe it was? Maybe
it was just us three we lost? What were you doing?
Two pros and a cup of Joe? I mean, no
day to what they called Pros versus Joe's. Yeah, but
what were you actually doing? Uh? So we had to
do a tackling drill. We had to do seven on seven,
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which was not seven on seven. Uh, Mike Vick just
hate keeping Mike. We're gonna be over here happy, you
would like, well, they didn't win the tackling drill. They
didn't win that, But what happened? I mean they are
you part of the tackling drill day? As in the
Joes didn't win the tackling Oh got your marriage? Yeah,
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like the the whole like you run days, you know,
people used day for everything. Yeah, but I got I
got by. I got receipts connected to my day. They
is in them being the Joes and and us being
the pros. We lost, but then we found out later
that the three dudes that we were playing against one
play for Ohio State, one play for Akron, and another
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one played for some d one school. Look at these
tuotes from Ohio. It was it was two dudes from Ohio.
That was the demise of Circle, didn't I guess so?
Because we lost that day? Did you not look at
Mike Vickio? What the hell? I was looking at Isaac
Bruce like why are you here? I'm like, Bruce, why
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are you here? Man Like like we're about to lose,
Like what are you doing? Like? Why are you here?
And then Isaac uh, Mike kept trying to throw him
in the ball. I'm like Mike, throw me the ball.
I might get five less yards than what we would
have thought we were going to get. But Isaac ain't here.
Isaac don't want to be here. Throw me the ball
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that he kept trying to throw isaa. We didn't get it.
And then they and then they took him deep and
he didn't get it, you know, because y'all had we
had to go both ways offense and defense. So and
they was taking him up top. You know, we lost.
That's a bumber only only group in pros versus Joe
history to lose to the Joe's in your mind, did
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that take away from the greatest show on turf? Because now,
I'll be honest with you, now that I just heard
the story, I'm not sure I feel about him. Well,
I'm gonna say this. It was well beyond our playing years.
It was well beyond. It was like many many years
after you know, he was done, Bruce, come on, you
could tell he was just chilling, man like, he was like,
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where's my check? And it was a hell of a check,
by the way, it was a hell of a check.
So I was like, where's my check. I'm gonna get
up at it. I'm a hall of Famer, So you
know at some point they're gonna put me in. That's
a bummer. We lost, you know what I mean, But
but we made history again. He made history. I mean,
I got to say I played with Mike Vick and
Isaac Bruce and we were the first Pros to lose
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to Joe's and in the history of the game. That's
all right, though, listen, you know who knows. Maybe those
guys are on the gas too. You never know. We
could look into that. I love the way you brought
it full circle though you'll need it. Yeah, y'all need
a Romanowsky there, or Travick Kelsey or or Gronkowski button.
For certain, if we had Romo there, they wouldn't have
felt so comfortable about all that laughing and running and
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all that stuff. But by the way, do you guys
know that Kelsey and Gronk are the same age? Isn't
that weird? Like it? It seems like Gronk would be
much older because he hasn't he hasn't played. I think
Gronk got into the league like earlier. Yeah, and yeah,
they're both thirty three, how about that? So there it is, man,
I wonder if Gronk ever regrets, like all the partying
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he's still buying. I know that, But like you can
now because you don't have to worry about going out
and getting beat up early on. Like I wonder if
he thinks that maybe would have helped him recover or
had greater longevity, he wouldn't be the same if he
wasn't who he was. It doesn't turn out the way.
That's like, that's like the great equalizer. It's like, if
you're not who you are, you're not going to get
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the results that you would get and you could be
the most healthiest, whatever it is. But that one little
screw that's lose for him was the screw that actually
made him gronk. Like you're saying, you get a fight
for your right to party. Yes, you know what, that's
a hell of a point. You do, you do? You
gotta fight for your right. Be sure to catch live
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editions of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with
Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks week days at
six am Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. So we had a
big time matchup in the a f C East yesterday
and man Oman. Did those offenses live up to it?
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Ten three the final, the New England Patriots get it
done over the New York Jets, and look they went
it on a punt return touchdown. Congratulations of the Pats.
They get it done there. Um I didn't. I'm trying
to think the last time there was a special teams
touchdown to any game. I think it was two thousand
and fifteen, maybe something like that. It's it's been a
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long time since you see a game end like that
in crunch time on a return for a touchdown. But
I think a lot of the conversation, though, is now
pointing towards the glaring issue that the New York Jets
have a quarterback ding ding ding ding ding that like,
at some point people have to stop being so sensitive
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about it and upset when you're critical of Zach Wilson
and just call it what it is, Like has he
progressed at all? Like it like yesterday was brutal, Like
he through for seventy seven yards. And I'm not saying
that mac Jones lit them up, but I think the
percentage or the stat line for like the last what
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was it, the last three four minutes of the game
was like, what was it, like three or four yards something? Crazy?
How little the stat was for like the last three
minutes or something or so of the game, Like the
game was on the line and he couldn't he couldn't
do it. He could hit the side of a barn. Yeah,
it's brutal. And I don't know what to make of it, man,
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Like it's just you know, Jonas and and LaVar. I
was asking Jonas about this yesterday because we were talking
about that particular game. I forget what we're mentioning. But
the point Jonas made was like, when has anyone defended
a Jets quarterback or even a New York Giants quarterback
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the way the New York media market is defended or
even the fans for the Jets have defended Zack Wilson.
And the oddest thing about it is, you literally when
you look through all the players We've talked about this
a little bit last week, when you looked at all
those quarterbacks in the first couple of years, they were
all statistically better, Like it's not really even close. And
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so it's just so odd now that there's been this
defense of him for some reason where there's no attachment
whatsoever to this player, And like, look, I I know
I've sounded critical at times of him. I was more
critical of the selection and the expectation of him, like
knowing the Jets organization and the undertaking they were going through,
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which there's no doubt you can't deny the rosters had
a better spot. Defensively, They've got a good defense. Robert
s Law is a good defensive coach. Offensively, it's they're
still work in progress. They faced some injuries on the
offensive line that's played a factor. Corey Davis didn't play yesterday.
That obviously hurt them in this matchup because they needed
some firepower, someone who could separate. But even if he
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did play, Jonas posted the question, the things that I
was concerned about coming out from college are still issues now,
all right? The guy small, I thought, is there a
chance he's gonna get banged out with the way he plays,
tries to scramble around because he doesn't see well. Yeah,
has he been injured throughout the first couple of seasons? Yeah, Okay,
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still concerned. The one season where people try to put
him on the map was versus a group of five schedule,
and every single time I kept watching and people talk
about tight window throws. I was like, he's just kind
of throwing balls up to guys who are just better
than their competition. Because b y U that season, because
of COVID, didn't play a tough schedule, was a group
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of five schedule, and so all the things that I
saw in film dating back way back when are still
issues now and not being the work through progressions, are
not seeing the field well. And now you know, does
he have the ability to throw it from different arm angles? Yeah, sure,
Okay a lot of guys can do that. Now, Hell,
they're training that now, I mean labor. You can probably
go go to any private quarterback trainer and go watch
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the way they're training these kids. And I'll be honest
with you, I think it's awful for the game because
now everyone and everyone's seen every private quarterback coach wants
to convince these young quarterbacks that you have to play
like Patrick Mahomes and win a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, there's
Tom Brady at forty five years old, who is one
of the best fundamental sound quarterbacks that's ever played, and
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he's the most successful quarterback that's ever played. Yet no
one's trying to go through the boring, monotonous drills of
doing everything Tom Brady has done. Instead, they want to
do these off platform brows and cross body throws and things.
It's like, okay, but one, you only do that two
percent of the time at quarterback, and the other point
would be that's that's not gonna be the plays that
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make it for you anyway. So I just I think
if you look at the struggles that he's had, you know,
some of that has to do with these young player.
He needs more experience. That's part of it. You know,
if the Jets gonna be patient enough with Zach Wilson
through this year through next year, he'll eventually evolve into
a quarterback that can play. Like these guys don't get
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drafted to the NFL and aren't capable. They're capable, but
they do have ceilings and at some point you have
to build around them to not allow their weaknesses to
be exploited and play to their strengths. And they're just
not quite there yet and it's gonna take some time.
So I mean, look, I'm not ever surprised by the
result or what we've kind of seen. I'm a dork.
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I watched film I see this stuff and I just
go none of it's surprising. Eventually, Jets fans and maybe
the Jets organization will come around to realize some of that.
It's a bizarre thing, man, the way that they defend him.
I don't, I don't understand. It's almost like they've got
money on like future bets and like his total touchdowns
thrown in a season, and and they've got they've rixed
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their entire mortgage and family fortune on it, and they've
got to be right about it. What like, what what
more do you need to see before people look at
it and go, yeah, there's an issue here, Like I
just I don't. I don't understand the love affair with
him and that the people that run to the Zach
Wilson Defense League to try and stick up for him.
Like listen to Robert Sali. Robert Sali sounds like he's
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getting close to the point to where he's no longer
keeping receipts and now he's just gonna start calling people
out here, was the Jets head coach after the game.
Especial seven possessions two totally yours. Um knows it's a
crappy way to lose, feel like your exchange and blows
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from a defensive standpoint on both sides of the BA
from both teams, and somebody could just make a play
and get it the overtime. They made a play in
the point in the kiding game. I mean, he seems
upset now. I do want to throw this as well.
It's a part because with a win, they got a
first place in nfc S. Yeah, with that loss, they're
now last. It's massive, Like I do want to I
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ask LaVar. So, pretend you're a member of the New
York Jets on defense, right, and you just did what
you did. You held the Patriots to three points special teams.
How about this? You just got them to punt again.
You're you're running off the field. You have to run
by Zack Wilson as you're coming off the field. Well
what are you saying at this moment late in the
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fourth quarter. Well, you know, I'm one, I'm I'm one
of those guys. You know. I would have been like
Q W two F bro like W you T I'm joking.
You know what I would have said. I would have said,
let's go, Like I would have looked you in your
eyes and I would have felt like the look into
your eyes from me like hopefully like a respected teammate.
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You know this, that and the other meaning something to
the team, and we're fighting our asses off I wouldn't
have been judgmental of the offense. I would have just
looked at my QB and eyes and been like, you
got this. Yeah, you want to hear Zach Wilson after
the pretend you're still that same defect to say after
the game, super frustrating, You know it is. It is
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a frustrating day, of course. You know, I feel like
I had had some balls I got away from me um.
But you know, we gotta find a way as an offense.
We gotta do some we gotta do some dig and
watch the film and see what we can do better
as an offense. Though, I mean, when you guys are
only able to score three points, the defense only let's
up three points, I mean, do you do you feel
like you let the defense down at all? So there
is WTF now next game, next game or next practice.
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If I if I heard if I heard that sound bite,
if I heard that sound bite, like w t F,
you mean you didn't let you let the offense the defense,
you let us down, like you let us down. You
let yourself down, you let your mom down, you let
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your family down, You let down everybody who defends you,
and it looks up to you and looks out you.
You let them down. It's okay to have moments of
letting people down. You don't have to regret them, because
moments of letting yourself down and letting others down, that
only serves to build you up more moving into the future.
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But the quickest way to put yourself in an alienated
situation is to not accept the responsibility of of the
magnitude of what it is that you're connected to that
you're not owning. Even if, even if, even if, let's
just say for one minute that it was something else
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other than him that was responsible for the low out
output of points, take it, Take it in on it,
because that's what a leader should do. Then and and
it's always let's be better the next time, you know,
take that because it was again. We we say this
a lot on the show because it's kind of statistically,
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it's kind of what it's supposed to be going into
a game. If a defense holds you too twenty points
that and below, the offense is supposed to get more
than that. That's what the offense is supposed if you
get if you get a defense that holds an offense
to under twenty points, you're supposed to win that game.
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By the way, Zach Wilson also blamed the wind as
well too, but they had to deal deal with the winds.
And one person that that is is I think people
will agree and will applied for defending UM Zack Wilson
is is UM staunchly and as as fiercely as as
they do would be Bill Belichick. You know. Bill Belichick
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defended him like really really really well, you know, and
and it was actually the justified type of defense. You know.
It was like literal lead and figuratively defended Zach. Will wait,
so the wind was bad, but mac Jones had four
completions and almost three for two or fifty yards. Yeah,
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I mean, I'm just I'm trying to get this straight.
Like it. By the way, that game we should have
been as close as it was. Nick Folk obviously had
to miss fuel goals went off. The crossbar was the
other one UM a little wide left, I believe, which
but that's one of those if you if you just
saw the box score, you saw the missfield goals and
your Pats fan might have been frustrated. He did have
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Michael Pollardi holding that's not as normal holder, so that
I definitely could have played a factor. On top of
the fact that the wind in the kicking game tends
to play more of a factor there too. By the way,
they've beaten the Jets now fourteen straight times, fourteen straight games.
The Patriots have beaten the Jets. Jesus Christ, that's dominance.
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Fourteen times. You can't get one. You know, what's interesting
of laughing at him? What are we doing? What's interesting about? Like,
let's just say how this could be a turning point
for the Jets season potentially. I mean, who knows, who
knows what kind of resolved they've got. They played what
Chicago next week? Fields end up banging up his non
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throwing shoulder. Um, so not sure of his injury status.
Maybe they finally get a backup quarterback for once this season. Now,
those Jets always get tough matchups. But but but again,
the interesting thing is if you're coming in this past
week and I think they were like drafting somewhere like
first round because of the record, I think after the loss,
now might be like eighteen. But let's just go down
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the road. Because I said this before the season started,
and I think this is where people felt like I
was being critical is Zach Wilson And I wasn't. I
was just pointing out the obvious, which apparently no one
saw his obvious. If this team did struggle, then they're
gonna be in a position where they're gonna be looking
potentially at quarterbacks because you have to do that due diligence.
As you know, depending on who you are within that organization,
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Joe Douglas, a general manager or anyone else, feel Savage, etcetera, etcetera,
they all are gonna have to look at the quarterback
class and say, is this guy better than the guy
we have? And can we after two years, let's say,
let's move on because we've got to figure this this
position out and so far it hasn't looked good. And
we and I talked about it before the season with
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the whole Hayes hooking up with other you know, other
moms and all that. Guess guess what there if that's
gonna that's gonna serve him become the spring if things
going to a tail spin, not focused, doesn't care enough
about football. He's not about the right things. They'll go
they'll go find someone in the draft. That is problem
is they're not gonna be able to draft because of
where they're drafting at and they're gonna have to give
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up more draft capital like they're they're six sess early
on in this season could actually hamper their ability to
go after a quarterback and next year's drafted, even if
they feel like that's their need, because of where their
draft position could end up being. So. Connor Hughes from
s n Y. Uh he reported yesterday that sources inside
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the Jets locker room told s n Y that Wilson
was walking around after the game like he isn't the problem.
It rubbed more than a few of the wrong way,
frustrating several others. And that was before he even spoke
afterwards um and confirmed it. Yeah, and uh that that
Jets players are are pretty fed up with just the
walking around I'm not the problem. It's not me not
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being accountable sort of aspect to all this. So you know,
the between blaming the wind, not being accountable, not feeling
like he's let the defense down, I mean, this could
just turn on him and backfire in a hurry, right,
I would if I'm a leader. This is where leadership matters.
This is where sometimes you know, defenders like tickers, punters,
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old heads, sometimes these are the moments where somebody just
needs to pull him to the side and be like, hey, listen, man,
so let me just give you a little bit of perspective,
like can we talk like I've done this more than
so many times, and and just said, you know, let's go,
let's go get some wings or something man like, let's
let's go talk, and we'll go sit down and I'll
talk to it like I would have talked to it
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like a young guy, young quarterback or a young player
running back, whatever it may have been, and just been
like listen, like let me like, let me get you
just a different you know, understanding of little things can
become big things. And and we talk about those details
as it applies to playing in the game and how
it applies to plays. But a lot of times you
gotta pay attention to those little things as it applies
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to what you say and do and in the media
and and and what you say to people around the building.
You have to be cognizant and aware of that so
let me like just put it in front of you,
like listen, It's okay. You're you're in a position where
a lot of people are paying attention to you. You
you have a lot of support and a lot of
guys want to see you have success. So in situations
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like you know what happened last week, and I would
actually point out the actual quote, like listen, when somebody
asked you a question like that, it's always take to
the high road on how you respond. Take responsive to
take absolutely so peters take accountability for indeed, and so
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that would be. And then if he continued to be
that person, then now you gotta say to yourself, because
here's what happens, right, Nobody had to know that me
and him went out and had that conversation, but he
and I know we had that conversation. So if he
continues to be that person that doesn't show leadership or
show that that type of accountability, then now you have
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to approach it as such. From then where his his
personality traits could actually be a problem in the detriment
to our team, I wouldn't look at their schedule real
quick the rest of the way they places Chicago next week,
Then they're at Minnesota at Buffalo. Then they go versus
Detroit at home, which, well, yeah, Detroit's one three in
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a row. They look better, Thy look different than they
host Jacksonville, which that's a much more winnable game, but
that's on a short week, so who knows. Then they
finished at Seattle at Miami, which the Miami game obviously
is going to be incredibly significant, not only for the
division but for playoff standings. And obviously you're on the
road and you're back to back weeks on the road,
have to go off East coast trip, which Seattle still
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in the hunt, that's gonna be a significant game on
their end of things. So the schedule, which I thought
lightened up a lot more after their by and now
doesn't look so much like it's lightened up. The Bears
are playing better football. And the toughest thing about this
next week matchup is he's got a guy in Justin
Fields who you know, I look, I had Justin Fields
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rated higher than him, much higher than him in that
quarterback draft class. And with the progress that Fields has made,
if the Bears win that game and Fields continues to
play the way he has, it's gonna be staring the
Jets front office right in the face, Jets fans right
in the face, that hey, maybe this is the guy
you should have taken. I mean, outside of Trey Lands,
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every single quarterback from that draft class in the first
round has shown either either that they can play or
significant improvement. Except for Zach Wilson. I even think you
could lump in Davids Mills. Now. I know Houston this
year and all that, but he's got so much less
to work what the Jets have, and his rookie season
(37:38):
was far better. It's uh yeah, it's gonna be wild
to see how that turns on Zach Wilson. There in
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We're killing the lead here. How are we talking about
that game and not talking about Denver? Thank you? Come
on now, that's the lead right now. Don't kill that
hacket given no play calling duties. Isn't that why he
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was hired in the first place to get at the
beginning of the end. Man, it's the beginning of the
end now, and now he's being asked about it afterwards
by the media. Here was the as it stands now
Here was the Broncos head coach talking about his job
security afterward. You said earlier this week that you know,
every every day you're always coaching for your job. Is
that still on your mind about your job moving forward?
(39:08):
And also have you talked to George or Greg about
your future? For me, everything's about this team and the staff.
I've told you guys that before. I mean, I just
want to do everything I can to help this team win. Um.
You know, we've been so close, We've had so many opportunities.
We've had a lot of things happen this year that
are unfortunate, but we have to continually find ways to win.
That's my sole purpose. That's all I'm looking to do. Um,
(39:28):
whatever happens those things I can't control, it's over. I mean,
it just it is what it is, like, I don't know,
like something I wonder if deep down he knows there's
no solution here. I mean, you brought in Russell Wilson,
They've already given him the contract. Somebody's gonna have to
be the fall guy. You've got new ownership there. I mean,
we we've made this point. After the first game of
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the season. It was so bad and the Optics looked
so bad that it felt like if it didn't get
turned around quick and you had more of this stuff
play out nationally and more, are you know people looking
at it going, wait, you're hiring a clock management guy
in the season because it's too much, and now he's
given up play calling duties. It just feels like this
is only a matter of time. I don't. I don't
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see anyway he comes back here too. I just don't. Um.
I feel like there's there's a couple of reasons why
you can make the case they hired him. Um, it's
an offensive driven league, and you had a previous defensive
Monde head coach, vic Fangio, one of the better defensive
minds in the NFL. Now you may be regretting that
to some degree because you know, who knows how things
(40:32):
would have been different had they just gotten Russell Wilson.
Vic Fangio brings in an o C. He maybe feel
like it feels like it's a good match, or however
you pair that together. Regardless, it's an offensive driven leagus
you see offensive mona head coaches getting hired more often.
And the other thing is, I think you have to
think that they thought they had a shot at Aaron Rodgers.
They must have really thought that the hiring of Nathaniel
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Hackett would help facilitate that and that they would be
able to trade for Aaron Rodgers. Of wise, there's really
not much to go on. He had no prior head
coaching experience. If you look at him as a play caller,
you have to go back to his days, or with Syracuse,
they have to go back to his days. That I
think Buffalo maybe it calls the plays, but he did
call it plays in Green Bay. So there's really nothing
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you can hang your hat on. And then as you
get into the beginning of the season, you have to
hire Jerry Rossberg because you realize you're ill prepared situationally
to handle things in game. I mean, I would say,
if I'm the Walton family because I bought this franchise
after you've already hired Nathaniel Hackett, you have zero ties
not only to the Nathaniel Hackett, but whoever was in
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charge of making that decision. So if it's George Payton,
he would be part of that or whoever else in
the organization was pushing them to go in that direction.
And I also think there's at times when you have
a general manager who makes the head coaching higher. You know,
ultimately there's two ways of looking at it. When ownerships involved,
they want those two to get along, so they're ab'b
(42:00):
be gonna hire someone who's got a previous experience together,
or they want those two to work in unison. When
you get an owner that then annoys a general manager
to do it. Now you're getting a general manager who's
looking at a guy that he can control, because ultimately
he doesn't want to be butting heads with the head
coach about his personnel decisions, right, or any other decisions
that he makes in regards to the organization. And I
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feel like that's how this went down. George Payton ended
up hiring a guy that he could control in Nathaniel Hackett.
It's much easier to control a guy who's never been
head coach before, who's thankful for the opportunity, appreciative of
that opportunity, right, And then once he gets the job,
he's like, hey, then I need some help. Man, Like,
I don't know what I'm doing here. Oh yeah, I'm
you know, playing George Payton. Oh yeah, we can work
(42:44):
with you. We'll get this and this, we know some contexts.
We got Jerry Rossberg to come in here. That's all
good and fun. But at the end of the day,
if you're the Walton family, not only are you looking
at Nathaniel Hackett, you might be looking at George Payton.
Going hold on a second, did you hire this guy?
And what was the thought process there, and why should
we to be in charge of hiring the next guy
if we don't feel like this is the right fit.
Let's not bury the lead. Pete Carroll somewhere right now
(43:10):
sipping on a Long Island Icede talking about I told
you it wasn't me. I told you it wasn't me.
By the way, Seattle rich Beds work in Seattle. Seattle
right now, Seattle, Seattle right now has got the got
the number got them ha ha ha. They've got the
(43:35):
number five pick in the draft. So they're a borderline
playoff team. Or they could be a playoff team and
win their division and Seattle is gonna end up with
potentially a top five pick in the NFL Draft because
of that trade and have a quarterback. Yeah, which means
that if you, I mean, depending on how they measure
it out, they could go get another player that makes
(43:56):
them better defensive front wise offensive front one. And they
hit it out of the park in the draft this
year with with Kenneth Walker, and then it just man,
I don't know, I don't a lot of people. I
know a lot of people probably thought that this was
maybe it wasn't gonna be a super Bowl. This year
for Denver. It's tough division, tough AFC all that. I
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don't know anybody that thought that. As you remember seeing
any given Sunday with the QB two old QB that
lost his job, all right, his chicks s out of
him and told him to tighten up and get a job.
You think there's some slapping going on to Denver, like
why did we leave Seattle? Why did you do it?
(44:41):
Why we come here? This is what we bought, this
nine hundred thousand square foot home with three bedrooms in
nine bathrooms four This is what we did it for.
Tighten up. You got an office? Dag it? You got
an office when we need to we need to wear
(45:02):
Are they gonna make him give up his office? I mean,
if if I was ownership, I'll be walking in that
thing saying, hey, if we want to make it less confrontational,
we'll have that once we hire a new head coach,
once we make those changes, and be like, yeah, this
this new head coach isn't is buying this, So why
don't you go get your own office somewhere near the LA. Yeah,
that's all they probably got off his parts in there
(45:23):
to the facility. Who's like who are a couple of names.
You could see if Nathaniel Hackett is done after this year,
well everyone's gonna throw Sean Payton, right, yeah, yeah, because
because look at the shortest, their defense is doing fine.
Like there's still one of the tougher defenses in the
NFL personnel wise too, even after giving up Bradley Chubb.
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You know, Baron Browning I think has been one of
the bigger surprises. He's not Micah Parsons level, but he's
like a similar in the sense of he was an
off the ball linebacker. And then because of the issues
with even though they brought up Randy Gregory's been a
little banged up because of those issues that kind of
force him to put him off the edge. And I
think when you go back, I can watch him back
in Ohio State, he was a good He was a
good blitzer, you know. And now you you figure out, like, oh,
(46:04):
like we could take some of these guys who we've
seen in that capacity, and they're very capable of all
of a sudden becoming elite edge defender. So you know
that's gonna help. But the offense is the biggest glaring weakness,
and it had to be someone that you could maximize
Russell Wilson's ability. So everyone's like, the really forget Pete Carroll.
The person who's smiling right now Sean Payton because as
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he watches the Chargers lose last night, as he watched
as he watches the Broncos lose, he's just smiling because
he's like, I mean, are you kidding me? Like everyone's
gonna be bidding on my services at next point in time.
It's uh got that that's crazy. Just to think of
this division everybody thought was gonna be was gonna be
the division that that was going to run away with everything.
They might end it was dead wrong about this. Man. Man,
(46:49):
they might end up with one team like one and
now that one team is significantly better than everybody else.
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here on Monday? I get it today, you've given up Jonas.
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I noticed how you just kept talking. You usually give
him that little extra bit of space to say it. Yeah,
it's just you just don't even wait for it anymore. Yeah,
I just it's been so long, I don't remember what
it was. I mean, but people do listen to our
little bits. See I see the signs that you were
getting Q like that, Like people listen to our bits.
It's pretty cool. It's gonna say we we we had.
I spotted one, spotted one right before the show, by
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the way, Actually I might have been during the show.
I didn't see it until during the middle of the show,
and I pointed at him and I said you, I said,
we're getting a picture. And then I went down during
the break and our our stage man, I was like,
where the hell did you go? We've got twenty seconds
we're does he? Does he really sound like that the
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guy I was asking for. It's a woman, you said, guy,
Sorry for the picture. Sorry about that alright, So hence
the stage manager right, No carrious carry? Okay, isn't it carry?
Britt can technically like beat down there for a segment.
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But I could be wrong by the way it could
be carry being the producer in such fassion that Britt
carries my homie, she is the dopist. Carry gets it
done good over here, all have to do this, okay?
In five four, like, yeah, yeah, well she's she's like
she's a goat, Like she does Sundays too, Like she's
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she's a goat. And but from DC. That's how I
know we used to work locally. How about that. I
don't even know her through Fox. I know her through
through Comcast. Yeah. Yeah, and I worked with her sister,
to her sisters and as a media to Full credit
to Brady Quinn, the one guy on the set of
Big New Kickoff who wasn't dressed like he was in
the idea rod congratulations. I mean like they made it
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seem like I love that word about the way I did. Yeah,
I think it's such a snow Like what was what
was we were the Tempts in Waco because everybody was
a pregame. Looked like they were in the middle of Siberia.
Like was it that bad? It was pretty cool. I
mean it was like I think the high it was
like the low forties, and then there was a pretty
(03:18):
decent little wind, so it was it was. I mean, look,
you sit in the cushy studio, so you don't know,
really you're not like a real guy who goes down
to the elements and have to ask to deal with that, right,
you're not like a common man that actually has to
do labor outside in the elements. You wouldn't know that
it's it's it's actually it was actually cooler than you
one would imagine. So they bundled up. I was actually
(03:39):
my my suit. It's it was made of like wool
like that thing was. I felt like I was wearing
a small like a sheep dog you had, you had
your fur on, dude, that that thing was warm. Now.
The only time I put on a jacket was then
once we're in the stadium, because I knew we were
gonna be outside and we don't have any heaters out
there underneath the desk, and I was like, all right,
we're gonna be outre for like an hour, so I'm
gonna go ahead and throw want a jacket because like
(04:01):
a little chili. Well listen to congratulations and other flawless
performance execution by the big Newon boys there, and uh,
it was a great game. That was a fun game
to watch go down to the wire. Simultaneously between that
in Michigan and Illinois, that was that was a wild
uh wild fourth quarter in both those both those places.
(04:23):
Crazy to think that Illinois has the chance to pass
up some of these other teams in the Big Ten,
Like there's the possibility there that exists as far as
long term or I think so it's possible, not this year,
because no, long term, I think they could do it.
I think they could. Yeah, I mean there's there's nothing
(04:44):
was stopped them from dominating the Big Ten West. You know. Yeah,
it's uh that that seems to be the weaker side
of that conference about Maryland. I wouldn't. I mean they
almost they had it. Yeah, they had the other playing
well Sally, it's good, dude, Like like I think if
you're looking that next year's quarterback class, he factors into
me in some capacity, like when you put on his
(05:05):
tape compared to some mothers out there, Like this isn't
a hot take, by the way, this is just what
I've seen this year. Taliah talking about Lois tape is
better than Will Levis's. But Will Levi as second Tuckey
has the size, he's at the arm strength, he's got
like that, he's got to look he's smart like he
you know all that stuff. But Taliah talking about Loa
has played better this year. Like if you're comparing tape
(05:27):
tape to tape, Talia's played better, Like I don't by
the way, I don't even know if it's close. So
like that's that's gonna be one of those conversations for
the spring and all that. But that's one of the
funny things about college football, man, is is you just
you know? This season has been one of those seasons
that's it's been. It's been crazy at times, It's been
fun to watch, fun to watch. The league was fun
(05:48):
to watch yesterday. Yeah, there was a lot of watch
from the airport. Can I want to ask you by
the I thing? I know what your your I R
is going to be, Like, Oh, I got a long
How do I have any I RS? Because I have
a whole bunch of I R s. Nothing, I have
a whole but I kept notes on my i R,
My my i R. My i R list is long
(06:12):
and they don't even meet. Ain't even it's not even
my I R. Yeah, I got a little glimpse are
a little preview of that before the show. So that'll
be fine. Um, did you guys, I just want to
ask you your level percentage wise of doubt that Patrick
Mahomes and the Chiefs are going to score when they
got the ball back in the fourth quarter zero. There
(06:35):
was not not for one second when he got the
ball back that I think, oh Man, Charges could come
up with a stop here. There was no chance. There's
no I would have fell with with I know Mike
Williams played but then left her the same ankle injury,
but Keenan Allen being back to like that you could
sell that help the Chargers offense. I would have felt
very similar about Justin Herbert though, like I don't know
(06:57):
that I would have felt as confident, but I would
have felt similar. I think the interesting thing is how
many teams can say what you like, answer that question
that you just asked right now. I don't know that. Yeah,
I don't even know that there's that many that could
just that you look and you go, okay, they're trailing
on the road. They need a touchdown to score. They
(07:19):
went seventy yards in a minute fifteen like and it
took sixth place like that. That's crazy to me. And
and some people are trying to make the comparison like, well,
you know Brady and his prime, you know he was
a guy that and and I'll get Brady full credit
for that obviously, but it just feels different when Mahomes
does it. It looks easy, like they could just pick
up a chunk yardage and they had to. Micole Hardman
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was out, jud Smith Schuster was at It's something he
was playing with, you know, fully loaded with all Kelsey. Yeah,
he's unbelievable. Yeah, it's crazy to think how easy Mahomes
and the Chiefs make it look when they're trailing and
they've got the ball and it's like, okay, we gotta
go seventy yards score, Yeah, that's easy. Six plays minute.
Fifth team were good and then you know, you get
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the tip pass interception at the end to is it.
But that's why we were talking last week. I don't
know that there's anybody close in the a f C.
Not Buffalo, not anybody to Kansas City right now. I
just don't think it's anywhere close. Buffalo. Man, they they
I don't know, they got they got to take a
pit stop, you know, like they kind of need to
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like change some tires or do I don't know, put
some more fuel. And I don't know what it is.
I mean, they won, you know, and and and they
pulled through, but it's kind of like man, like it's
like a struggle. Yeah, it's not what you would think
that how they would be playing right now. So would
text to me, we're having a conversation and like it
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was almost like a parenting tone talking to their child.
They were like, hey, Buffo, do we have a problem, Like,
do we have a problem right now? Like what is happening?
Was it was like this this like voice of like
panic about like especially the first half when Clevelands up
going wait, wait a second, like this isn't a dome now,
whether it's not impacting the game at all, you just
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thought Buffalo is gonna walk away with this one. And
I obviously Cleveland may have been maybe the games are
giving some credit, but uh just he was like what
is happening? Like yeah, obviously at late the points with Buffalo,
which depending on when you got that line, you're either
happy there was a cover or you weren't, because they
were actually a bigger favorite earlier in the week and
then later on the week they ended up getting into
a number that they were able to cover when it
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was all said and done. But I don't, I don't know, man,
like their defense and I know they've battled through some injuries, Like,
there's some concerning spots there, and I think overall offensively
just there's I don't know. I kind of feel like
they tend to be more consistently one dimensional and when
you watch the Chiefs last night what they do, like,
I don't know. I have more questions about the Bills
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right now, with the way the past few weeks have
gone too. I think you're both right. I think Kansas
City is a team in an FC and I think
that Buffalo has to, Like I said, they got to
tighten up. They gotta answer some questions. Is Mahomes Kelsey
better than Brady Gronk that combo that's a great one,
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kind of a hot tag, Like, I think Kelsey because
of his athleticism different, he's a better receiving He's probably
a better receiving tight end. But yards after the Cats, right, yeah,
I mean Gronk was just so darned big Grounk yards
after the catch were pretty impressive too, though grown kids probably,
And in my assessment, Gronk is the best most complete
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tight end in the history of our game, the best
most complete tight end. Now you if you want to
get into receiving tight ends, and they do this more,
they do this, this, that not more. Kelsey is in
the category and some of those, you know, Gonzales is
in the category of some of those. Shannon Sharp is
something that I feel like, Shannon Sharp is the best
receiving tight and ever. But that's because he was like
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a receiver. I mean, he wasn't really built like a
tight end. He was a receiver playing and that was
good enough to play tight end or had to do
with the s. Yeah, yeah, well there you go. That's
a good point. Yeah, that's a great point. Do you
think it was just the as he still yoked up
to this day. I'll tell you he's just naturally he's
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just what he is not. I mean, I think he
is built that way. Hold on, why did you pause? Well,
because I think he has built that way, you know.
You know, but I just said he wasn't built different.
He's still built different, you know. But but we I mean,
you know, it wasn't he wasn't that Denver locker room. Yeah,
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but the stories I heard about that Denver locker room,
by the way, you know, some of it ain't even
even like it ain't there Romo. They said Romo used
to come in with two briefcases and and and it
was like bro one for Bens is one of the
other business. But that was there for two years. We
heard stories about him and they were like, oh yeah,
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they're like his hotel room where we'd stay like night
before the game. It'd be like a science lab like that.
The whole that whole hotel room we turned into like
a science lab. Before they said what what you got?
The clap like okay, here he opened up his briefcase.
He had everything labeled what what you got? The sniffles okay, boom,
all right, what sword to okay boom boom boom, Like
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you take three d s da da da this time,
Like they said, he was like the doctor, like for real,
the mad scientist. For you got to think about this.
For a neanderthalish as people thought Bill Romanowski was that
dude never got caught. So he was so intelligent, how
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organized he was, and how designer he was. And I
ain't talking about clothes. He ain't never get caught. Now
here's my question. Is he deserving of the Hall of
Fame as a linebacker? Because I would say I would
say he's deserving of of getting in. He's got the
super Bowls obviously, but I don't know that anybody thinks
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of him individually as being a Hall of Famer. I
almost see s on on on Live Radio. Bill Romanowski
is one of the best linebackers to play the game.
Bill Romanowski is what you would consider to be eighties
nineties linebacker, no different than than the guys you saw
in Pittsburgh. I don't know why Greg Lloyd isn't in
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the Hall of Fame in mind, but that's mind boggling.
Two guys, Greg Lloyd certainly should be in the Hall
of Fame. Like that's that to me? Like that's a like,
don't don't y'all say anything to me like Q jonah,
don't say nothing to me about don't debate me on
Greg Lloyd because I will lose my s over Greg Lloyd. Now,
everybody else we could debate, but one dude that you can't.
There's two dudes you can't debate me on on Hall
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of Fame. Brett Taylor, Greg Lloyd. Those two should be
in the Hall of Fame. Like I feel like that's
a travesty. But Bill Romanowski maybe he shouldn't be in,
but shouldn't he be on the ballot shouldn't he be
up for his body of work is pretty phenomenal. He
played forever for a back. He did pay years and
that and that should be said that and he started
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pretty much every year and and he was on that
TV show was a prose versus studio that he was
lighting dudes he made. He made you, whoever's listening out
there right now. And if you ever thought in your
mind you could go play an NFL game, he squashed
that in that show. You're just lighting dudes up. Well
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passed his playing days and he did not care ending people,
absolutely ending people. My team was the first team to
ever lose to the Joe's. You were on that show.
You guys lost hold on what happened me, Mike Vick,
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Isaac Bruce, It's so what else? Maybe it was? Maybe
it was just us three we lost? What were you doing?
Two pros and a cup of Joe? I mean, no
day to what they called Pros versus Joe's. Yeah, but
what were you actually doing? Uh? So we had to
do a tackling drill. We had to do seven on seven,
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which was not seven on seven. Uh, Mike Vick just
hate keeping Mike. We're gonna be over here happy, you
would like, well, they didn't win the tackling drill. They
didn't win that, But what happened? I mean they are
you part of the tackling drill day? As in the
Joes didn't win the tackling Oh got your marriage? Yeah,
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like the the whole like you run days, you know,
people used day for everything. Yeah, but I got I
got by. I got receipts connected to my day. They
is in them being the Joes and and us being
the pros. We lost, but then we found out later
that the three dudes that we were playing against one
play for Ohio State, one play for Akron, and another
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one played for some d one school. Look at these
tuotes from Ohio. It was it was two dudes from Ohio.
That was the demise of Circle, didn't I guess so?
Because we lost that day? Did you not look at
Mike Vickio? What the hell? I was looking at Isaac
Bruce like why are you here? I'm like, Bruce, why
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are you here? Man Like like we're about to lose,
Like what are you doing? Like? Why are you here?
And then Isaac uh, Mike kept trying to throw him
in the ball. I'm like Mike, throw me the ball.
I might get five less yards than what we would
have thought we were going to get. But Isaac ain't here.
Isaac don't want to be here. Throw me the ball
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that he kept trying to throw isaa. We didn't get it.
And then they and then they took him deep and
he didn't get it, you know, because y'all had we
had to go both ways offense and defense. So and
they was taking him up top. You know, we lost.
That's a bumber only only group in pros versus Joe
history to lose to the Joe's in your mind, did
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that take away from the greatest show on turf? Because now,
I'll be honest with you, now that I just heard
the story, I'm not sure I feel about him. Well,
I'm gonna say this. It was well beyond our playing years.
It was well beyond. It was like many many years
after you know, he was done, Bruce, come on, you
could tell he was just chilling, man like, he was like,
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where's my check? And it was a hell of a check,
by the way, it was a hell of a check.
So I was like, where's my check. I'm gonna get
up at it. I'm a hall of Famer, So you
know at some point they're gonna put me in. That's
a bummer. We lost, you know what I mean, But
but we made history again. He made history. I mean,
I got to say I played with Mike Vick and
Isaac Bruce and we were the first Pros to lose
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to Joe's and in the history of the game. That's
all right, though, listen, you know who knows. Maybe those
guys are on the gas too. You never know. We
could look into that. I love the way you brought
it full circle though you'll need it. Yeah, y'all need
a Romanowsky there, or Travick Kelsey or or Gronkowski button.
For certain, if we had Romo there, they wouldn't have
felt so comfortable about all that laughing and running and
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all that stuff. But by the way, do you guys
know that Kelsey and Gronk are the same age? Isn't
that weird? Like it? It seems like Gronk would be
much older because he hasn't he hasn't played. I think
Gronk got into the league like earlier. Yeah, and yeah,
they're both thirty three, how about that? So there it is, man,
I wonder if Gronk ever regrets, like all the partying
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he's still buying. I know that, But like you can
now because you don't have to worry about going out
and getting beat up early on. Like I wonder if
he thinks that maybe would have helped him recover or
had greater longevity, he wouldn't be the same if he
wasn't who he was. It doesn't turn out the way.
That's like, that's like the great equalizer. It's like, if
you're not who you are, you're not going to get
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the results that you would get and you could be
the most healthiest, whatever it is. But that one little
screw that's lose for him was the screw that actually
made him gronk. Like you're saying, you get a fight
for your right to party. Yes, you know what, that's
a hell of a point. You do, you do? You
gotta fight for your right. Be sure to catch live
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editions of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with
Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knocks week days at
six am Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. So we had a
big time matchup in the a f C East yesterday
and man Oman. Did those offenses live up to it?
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Ten three the final, the New England Patriots get it
done over the New York Jets, and look they went
it on a punt return touchdown. Congratulations of the Pats.
They get it done there. Um I didn't. I'm trying
to think the last time there was a special teams
touchdown to any game. I think it was two thousand
and fifteen, maybe something like that. It's it's been a
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long time since you see a game end like that
in crunch time on a return for a touchdown. But
I think a lot of the conversation, though, is now
pointing towards the glaring issue that the New York Jets
have a quarterback ding ding ding ding ding that like,
at some point people have to stop being so sensitive
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about it and upset when you're critical of Zach Wilson
and just call it what it is, Like has he
progressed at all? Like it like yesterday was brutal, Like
he through for seventy seven yards. And I'm not saying
that mac Jones lit them up, but I think the
percentage or the stat line for like the last what
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was it, the last three four minutes of the game
was like, what was it, like three or four yards something? Crazy?
How little the stat was for like the last three
minutes or something or so of the game, Like the
game was on the line and he couldn't he couldn't
do it. He could hit the side of a barn. Yeah,
it's brutal. And I don't know what to make of it, man,
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Like it's just you know, Jonas and and LaVar. I
was asking Jonas about this yesterday because we were talking
about that particular game. I forget what we're mentioning. But
the point Jonas made was like, when has anyone defended
a Jets quarterback or even a New York Giants quarterback
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the way the New York media market is defended or
even the fans for the Jets have defended Zack Wilson.
And the oddest thing about it is, you literally when
you look through all the players We've talked about this
a little bit last week, when you looked at all
those quarterbacks in the first couple of years, they were
all statistically better, Like it's not really even close. And
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so it's just so odd now that there's been this
defense of him for some reason where there's no attachment
whatsoever to this player, And like, look, I I know
I've sounded critical at times of him. I was more
critical of the selection and the expectation of him, like
knowing the Jets organization and the undertaking they were going through,
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which there's no doubt you can't deny the rosters had
a better spot. Defensively, They've got a good defense. Robert
s Law is a good defensive coach. Offensively, it's they're
still work in progress. They faced some injuries on the
offensive line that's played a factor. Corey Davis didn't play yesterday.
That obviously hurt them in this matchup because they needed
some firepower, someone who could separate. But even if he
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did play, Jonas posted the question, the things that I
was concerned about coming out from college are still issues now,
all right? The guy small, I thought, is there a
chance he's gonna get banged out with the way he plays,
tries to scramble around because he doesn't see well. Yeah,
has he been injured throughout the first couple of seasons? Yeah, Okay,
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still concerned. The one season where people try to put
him on the map was versus a group of five schedule,
and every single time I kept watching and people talk
about tight window throws. I was like, he's just kind
of throwing balls up to guys who are just better
than their competition. Because b y U that season, because
of COVID, didn't play a tough schedule, was a group
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of five schedule, and so all the things that I
saw in film dating back way back when are still
issues now and not being the work through progressions, are
not seeing the field well. And now you know, does
he have the ability to throw it from different arm angles? Yeah, sure,
Okay a lot of guys can do that. Now, Hell,
they're training that now, I mean labor. You can probably
go go to any private quarterback trainer and go watch
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the way they're training these kids. And I'll be honest
with you, I think it's awful for the game because
now everyone and everyone's seen every private quarterback coach wants
to convince these young quarterbacks that you have to play
like Patrick Mahomes and win a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, there's
Tom Brady at forty five years old, who is one
of the best fundamental sound quarterbacks that's ever played, and
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he's the most successful quarterback that's ever played. Yet no
one's trying to go through the boring, monotonous drills of
doing everything Tom Brady has done. Instead, they want to
do these off platform brows and cross body throws and things.
It's like, okay, but one, you only do that two
percent of the time at quarterback, and the other point
would be that's that's not gonna be the plays that
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make it for you anyway. So I just I think
if you look at the struggles that he's had, you know,
some of that has to do with these young player.
He needs more experience. That's part of it. You know,
if the Jets gonna be patient enough with Zach Wilson
through this year through next year, he'll eventually evolve into
a quarterback that can play. Like these guys don't get
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drafted to the NFL and aren't capable. They're capable, but
they do have ceilings and at some point you have
to build around them to not allow their weaknesses to
be exploited and play to their strengths. And they're just
not quite there yet and it's gonna take some time.
So I mean, look, I'm not ever surprised by the
result or what we've kind of seen. I'm a dork.
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I watched film I see this stuff and I just
go none of it's surprising. Eventually, Jets fans and maybe
the Jets organization will come around to realize some of that.
It's a bizarre thing, man, the way that they defend him.
I don't, I don't understand. It's almost like they've got
money on like future bets and like his total touchdowns
thrown in a season, and and they've got they've rixed
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their entire mortgage and family fortune on it, and they've
got to be right about it. What like, what what
more do you need to see before people look at
it and go, yeah, there's an issue here, Like I
just I don't. I don't understand the love affair with
him and that the people that run to the Zach
Wilson Defense League to try and stick up for him.
Like listen to Robert Sali. Robert Sali sounds like he's
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getting close to the point to where he's no longer
keeping receipts and now he's just gonna start calling people
out here, was the Jets head coach after the game.
Especial seven possessions two totally yours. Um knows it's a
crappy way to lose, feel like your exchange and blows
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from a defensive standpoint on both sides of the BA
from both teams, and somebody could just make a play
and get it the overtime. They made a play in
the point in the kiding game. I mean, he seems
upset now. I do want to throw this as well.
It's a part because with a win, they got a
first place in nfc S. Yeah, with that loss, they're
now last. It's massive, Like I do want to I
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ask LaVar. So, pretend you're a member of the New
York Jets on defense, right, and you just did what
you did. You held the Patriots to three points special teams.
How about this? You just got them to punt again.
You're you're running off the field. You have to run
by Zack Wilson as you're coming off the field. Well
what are you saying at this moment late in the
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fourth quarter. Well, you know, I'm one, I'm I'm one
of those guys. You know. I would have been like
Q W two F bro like W you T I'm joking.
You know what I would have said. I would have said,
let's go, Like I would have looked you in your
eyes and I would have felt like the look into
your eyes from me like hopefully like a respected teammate.
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You know this, that and the other meaning something to
the team, and we're fighting our asses off I wouldn't
have been judgmental of the offense. I would have just
looked at my QB and eyes and been like, you
got this. Yeah, you want to hear Zach Wilson after
the pretend you're still that same defect to say after
the game, super frustrating, You know it is. It is
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a frustrating day, of course. You know, I feel like
I had had some balls I got away from me um.
But you know, we gotta find a way as an offense.
We gotta do some we gotta do some dig and
watch the film and see what we can do better
as an offense. Though, I mean, when you guys are
only able to score three points, the defense only let's
up three points, I mean, do you do you feel
like you let the defense down at all? So there
is WTF now next game, next game or next practice.
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If I if I heard if I heard that sound bite,
if I heard that sound bite, like w t F,
you mean you didn't let you let the offense the defense,
you let us down, like you let us down. You
let yourself down, you let your mom down, you let
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your family down, You let down everybody who defends you,
and it looks up to you and looks out you.
You let them down. It's okay to have moments of
letting people down. You don't have to regret them, because
moments of letting yourself down and letting others down, that
only serves to build you up more moving into the future.
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But the quickest way to put yourself in an alienated
situation is to not accept the responsibility of of the
magnitude of what it is that you're connected to that
you're not owning. Even if, even if, even if, let's
just say for one minute that it was something else
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other than him that was responsible for the low out
output of points, take it, Take it in on it,
because that's what a leader should do. Then and and
it's always let's be better the next time, you know,
take that because it was again. We we say this
a lot on the show because it's kind of statistically,
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it's kind of what it's supposed to be going into
a game. If a defense holds you too twenty points
that and below, the offense is supposed to get more
than that. That's what the offense is supposed if you
get if you get a defense that holds an offense
to under twenty points, you're supposed to win that game.
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By the way, Zach Wilson also blamed the wind as
well too, but they had to deal deal with the winds.
And one person that that is is I think people
will agree and will applied for defending UM Zack Wilson
is is UM staunchly and as as fiercely as as
they do would be Bill Belichick. You know. Bill Belichick
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defended him like really really really well, you know, and
and it was actually the justified type of defense. You know.
It was like literal lead and figuratively defended Zach. Will wait,
so the wind was bad, but mac Jones had four
completions and almost three for two or fifty yards. Yeah,
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I mean, I'm just I'm trying to get this straight.
Like it. By the way, that game we should have
been as close as it was. Nick Folk obviously had
to miss fuel goals went off. The crossbar was the
other one UM a little wide left, I believe, which
but that's one of those if you if you just
saw the box score, you saw the missfield goals and
your Pats fan might have been frustrated. He did have
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Michael Pollardi holding that's not as normal holder, so that
I definitely could have played a factor. On top of
the fact that the wind in the kicking game tends
to play more of a factor there too. By the way,
they've beaten the Jets now fourteen straight times, fourteen straight games.
The Patriots have beaten the Jets. Jesus Christ, that's dominance.
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Fourteen times. You can't get one. You know, what's interesting
of laughing at him? What are we doing? What's interesting about? Like,
let's just say how this could be a turning point
for the Jets season potentially. I mean, who knows, who
knows what kind of resolved they've got. They played what
Chicago next week? Fields end up banging up his non
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throwing shoulder. Um, so not sure of his injury status.
Maybe they finally get a backup quarterback for once this season. Now,
those Jets always get tough matchups. But but but again,
the interesting thing is if you're coming in this past
week and I think they were like drafting somewhere like
first round because of the record, I think after the loss,
now might be like eighteen. But let's just go down
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the road. Because I said this before the season started,
and I think this is where people felt like I
was being critical is Zach Wilson And I wasn't. I
was just pointing out the obvious, which apparently no one
saw his obvious. If this team did struggle, then they're
gonna be in a position where they're gonna be looking
potentially at quarterbacks because you have to do that due diligence.
As you know, depending on who you are within that organization,
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Joe Douglas, a general manager or anyone else, feel Savage, etcetera, etcetera,
they all are gonna have to look at the quarterback
class and say, is this guy better than the guy
we have? And can we after two years, let's say,
let's move on because we've got to figure this this
position out and so far it hasn't looked good. And
we and I talked about it before the season with
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the whole Hayes hooking up with other you know, other
moms and all that. Guess guess what there if that's
gonna that's gonna serve him become the spring if things
going to a tail spin, not focused, doesn't care enough
about football. He's not about the right things. They'll go
they'll go find someone in the draft. That is problem
is they're not gonna be able to draft because of
where they're drafting at and they're gonna have to give
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up more draft capital like they're they're six sess early
on in this season could actually hamper their ability to
go after a quarterback and next year's drafted, even if
they feel like that's their need, because of where their
draft position could end up being. So. Connor Hughes from
s n Y. Uh he reported yesterday that sources inside
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the Jets locker room told s n Y that Wilson
was walking around after the game like he isn't the problem.
It rubbed more than a few of the wrong way,
frustrating several others. And that was before he even spoke
afterwards um and confirmed it. Yeah, and uh that that
Jets players are are pretty fed up with just the
walking around I'm not the problem. It's not me not
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being accountable sort of aspect to all this. So you know,
the between blaming the wind, not being accountable, not feeling
like he's let the defense down, I mean, this could
just turn on him and backfire in a hurry, right,
I would if I'm a leader. This is where leadership matters.
This is where sometimes you know, defenders like tickers, punters,
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old heads, sometimes these are the moments where somebody just
needs to pull him to the side and be like, hey, listen, man,
so let me just give you a little bit of perspective,
like can we talk like I've done this more than
so many times, and and just said, you know, let's go,
let's go get some wings or something man like, let's
let's go talk, and we'll go sit down and I'll
talk to it like I would have talked to it
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like a young guy, young quarterback or a young player
running back, whatever it may have been, and just been
like listen, like let me like, let me get you
just a different you know, understanding of little things can
become big things. And and we talk about those details
as it applies to playing in the game and how
it applies to plays. But a lot of times you
gotta pay attention to those little things as it applies
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to what you say and do and in the media
and and and what you say to people around the building.
You have to be cognizant and aware of that so
let me like just put it in front of you,
like listen, It's okay. You're you're in a position where
a lot of people are paying attention to you. You
you have a lot of support and a lot of
guys want to see you have success. So in situations
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like you know what happened last week, and I would
actually point out the actual quote, like listen, when somebody
asked you a question like that, it's always take to
the high road on how you respond. Take responsive to
take absolutely so peters take accountability for indeed, and so
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that would be. And then if he continued to be
that person, then now you gotta say to yourself, because
here's what happens, right, Nobody had to know that me
and him went out and had that conversation, but he
and I know we had that conversation. So if he
continues to be that person that doesn't show leadership or
show that that type of accountability, then now you have
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to approach it as such. From then where his his
personality traits could actually be a problem in the detriment
to our team, I wouldn't look at their schedule real
quick the rest of the way they places Chicago next week,
Then they're at Minnesota at Buffalo. Then they go versus
Detroit at home, which, well, yeah, Detroit's one three in
(36:09):
a row. They look better, Thy look different than they
host Jacksonville, which that's a much more winnable game, but
that's on a short week, so who knows. Then they
finished at Seattle at Miami, which the Miami game obviously
is going to be incredibly significant, not only for the
division but for playoff standings. And obviously you're on the
road and you're back to back weeks on the road,
have to go off East coast trip, which Seattle still
(36:32):
in the hunt, that's gonna be a significant game on
their end of things. So the schedule, which I thought
lightened up a lot more after their by and now
doesn't look so much like it's lightened up. The Bears
are playing better football. And the toughest thing about this
next week matchup is he's got a guy in Justin
Fields who you know, I look, I had Justin Fields
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rated higher than him, much higher than him in that
quarterback draft class. And with the progress that Fields has made,
if the Bears win that game and Fields continues to
play the way he has, it's gonna be staring the
Jets front office right in the face, Jets fans right
in the face, that hey, maybe this is the guy
you should have taken. I mean, outside of Trey Lands,
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every single quarterback from that draft class in the first
round has shown either either that they can play or
significant improvement. Except for Zach Wilson. I even think you
could lump in Davids Mills. Now. I know Houston this
year and all that, but he's got so much less
to work what the Jets have, and his rookie season
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was far better. It's uh yeah, it's gonna be wild
to see how that turns on Zach Wilson. There in
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We're killing the lead here. How are we talking about
that game and not talking about Denver? Thank you? Come
on now, that's the lead right now. Don't kill that
hacket given no play calling duties. Isn't that why he
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was hired in the first place to get at the
beginning of the end. Man, it's the beginning of the
end now, and now he's being asked about it afterwards
by the media. Here was the as it stands now
Here was the Broncos head coach talking about his job
security afterward. You said earlier this week that you know,
every every day you're always coaching for your job. Is
that still on your mind about your job moving forward?
(39:08):
And also have you talked to George or Greg about
your future? For me, everything's about this team and the staff.
I've told you guys that before. I mean, I just
want to do everything I can to help this team win. Um.
You know, we've been so close, We've had so many opportunities.
We've had a lot of things happen this year that
are unfortunate, but we have to continually find ways to win.
That's my sole purpose. That's all I'm looking to do. Um,
(39:28):
whatever happens those things I can't control, it's over. I mean,
it just it is what it is, like, I don't know,
like something I wonder if deep down he knows there's
no solution here. I mean, you brought in Russell Wilson,
They've already given him the contract. Somebody's gonna have to
be the fall guy. You've got new ownership there. I mean,
we we've made this point. After the first game of
(39:49):
the season. It was so bad and the Optics looked
so bad that it felt like if it didn't get
turned around quick and you had more of this stuff
play out nationally and more, are you know people looking
at it going, wait, you're hiring a clock management guy
in the season because it's too much, and now he's
given up play calling duties. It just feels like this
is only a matter of time. I don't. I don't
(40:10):
see anyway he comes back here too. I just don't. Um.
I feel like there's there's a couple of reasons why
you can make the case they hired him. Um, it's
an offensive driven league, and you had a previous defensive
Monde head coach, vic Fangio, one of the better defensive
minds in the NFL. Now you may be regretting that
to some degree because you know, who knows how things
(40:32):
would have been different had they just gotten Russell Wilson.
Vic Fangio brings in an o C. He maybe feel
like it feels like it's a good match, or however
you pair that together. Regardless, it's an offensive driven leagus
you see offensive mona head coaches getting hired more often.
And the other thing is, I think you have to
think that they thought they had a shot at Aaron Rodgers.
They must have really thought that the hiring of Nathaniel
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Hackett would help facilitate that and that they would be
able to trade for Aaron Rodgers. Of wise, there's really
not much to go on. He had no prior head
coaching experience. If you look at him as a play caller,
you have to go back to his days, or with Syracuse,
they have to go back to his days. That I
think Buffalo maybe it calls the plays, but he did
call it plays in Green Bay. So there's really nothing
(41:16):
you can hang your hat on. And then as you
get into the beginning of the season, you have to
hire Jerry Rossberg because you realize you're ill prepared situationally
to handle things in game. I mean, I would say,
if I'm the Walton family because I bought this franchise
after you've already hired Nathaniel Hackett, you have zero ties
not only to the Nathaniel Hackett, but whoever was in
(41:37):
charge of making that decision. So if it's George Payton,
he would be part of that or whoever else in
the organization was pushing them to go in that direction.
And I also think there's at times when you have
a general manager who makes the head coaching higher. You know,
ultimately there's two ways of looking at it. When ownerships involved,
they want those two to get along, so they're ab'b
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be gonna hire someone who's got a previous experience together,
or they want those two to work in unison. When
you get an owner that then annoys a general manager
to do it. Now you're getting a general manager who's
looking at a guy that he can control, because ultimately
he doesn't want to be butting heads with the head
coach about his personnel decisions, right, or any other decisions
that he makes in regards to the organization. And I
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feel like that's how this went down. George Payton ended
up hiring a guy that he could control in Nathaniel Hackett.
It's much easier to control a guy who's never been
head coach before, who's thankful for the opportunity, appreciative of
that opportunity, right, And then once he gets the job,
he's like, hey, then I need some help. Man, Like,
I don't know what I'm doing here. Oh yeah, I'm
you know, playing George Payton. Oh yeah, we can work
(42:44):
with you. We'll get this and this, we know some contexts.
We got Jerry Rossberg to come in here. That's all
good and fun. But at the end of the day,
if you're the Walton family, not only are you looking
at Nathaniel Hackett, you might be looking at George Payton.
Going hold on a second, did you hire this guy?
And what was the thought process there, and why should
we to be in charge of hiring the next guy
if we don't feel like this is the right fit.
Let's not bury the lead. Pete Carroll somewhere right now
(43:10):
sipping on a Long Island Icede talking about I told
you it wasn't me. I told you it wasn't me.
By the way, Seattle rich Beds work in Seattle. Seattle
right now, Seattle, Seattle right now has got the got
the number got them ha ha ha. They've got the
(43:35):
number five pick in the draft. So they're a borderline
playoff team. Or they could be a playoff team and
win their division and Seattle is gonna end up with
potentially a top five pick in the NFL Draft because
of that trade and have a quarterback. Yeah, which means
that if you, I mean, depending on how they measure
it out, they could go get another player that makes
(43:56):
them better defensive front wise offensive front one. And they
hit it out of the park in the draft this
year with with Kenneth Walker, and then it just man,
I don't know, I don't a lot of people. I
know a lot of people probably thought that this was
maybe it wasn't gonna be a super Bowl. This year
for Denver. It's tough division, tough AFC all that. I
(44:19):
don't know anybody that thought that. As you remember seeing
any given Sunday with the QB two old QB that
lost his job, all right, his chicks s out of
him and told him to tighten up and get a job.
You think there's some slapping going on to Denver, like
why did we leave Seattle? Why did you do it?
(44:41):
Why we come here? This is what we bought, this
nine hundred thousand square foot home with three bedrooms in
nine bathrooms four This is what we did it for.
Tighten up. You got an office? Dag it? You got
an office when we need to we need to wear
(45:02):
Are they gonna make him give up his office? I mean,
if if I was ownership, I'll be walking in that
thing saying, hey, if we want to make it less confrontational,
we'll have that once we hire a new head coach,
once we make those changes, and be like, yeah, this
this new head coach isn't is buying this, So why
don't you go get your own office somewhere near the LA. Yeah,
that's all they probably got off his parts in there
(45:23):
to the facility. Who's like who are a couple of names.
You could see if Nathaniel Hackett is done after this year,
well everyone's gonna throw Sean Payton, right, yeah, yeah, because
because look at the shortest, their defense is doing fine.
Like there's still one of the tougher defenses in the
NFL personnel wise too, even after giving up Bradley Chubb.
(45:43):
You know, Baron Browning I think has been one of
the bigger surprises. He's not Micah Parsons level, but he's
like a similar in the sense of he was an
off the ball linebacker. And then because of the issues
with even though they brought up Randy Gregory's been a
little banged up because of those issues that kind of
force him to put him off the edge. And I
think when you go back, I can watch him back
in Ohio State, he was a good He was a
good blitzer, you know. And now you you figure out, like, oh,
(46:04):
like we could take some of these guys who we've
seen in that capacity, and they're very capable of all
of a sudden becoming elite edge defender. So you know
that's gonna help. But the offense is the biggest glaring weakness,
and it had to be someone that you could maximize
Russell Wilson's ability. So everyone's like, the really forget Pete Carroll.
The person who's smiling right now Sean Payton because as
(46:27):
he watches the Chargers lose last night, as he watched
as he watches the Broncos lose, he's just smiling because
he's like, I mean, are you kidding me? Like everyone's
gonna be bidding on my services at next point in time.
It's uh got that that's crazy. Just to think of
this division everybody thought was gonna be was gonna be
the division that that was going to run away with everything.
They might end it was dead wrong about this. Man. Man,
(46:49):
they might end up with one team like one and
now that one team is significantly better than everybody else.
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