Hour 1: LaVar & Jonas – Jets Bench Zach Wilson

It’s Thanksgiving on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe and the guys applaud the Holiday warriors getting up early to prepare their family feasts. The Jets bench Zach Wilson after he seemingly losing the locker-room. Aaron Rodgers admits to having a broken thumb and the NFL will unveil a new Thanksgiving Day Tradition.

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And I would just like to say for those of
you waking up on the East Coast who might have
gotten a little bit banged up last nights and you
gotta wake up early because you gotta prep all the
food so everybody can stuff their faces the entire day.
I just want to say I commend you because that's

(01:49):
not easy to do, having a wake up with with
all that you got going on last night, the parties,
the family in town, the friends you haven't seen for
a while, and they have to go through all of
that to try and get this meal ready for everybody.
I commend those people. Yeah, I'm not one of them.
That ain't happening, but I would commend those people who

(02:11):
decided to go ahead and take part and and and
willing themselves across the finish line so they can make
sure everybody eats okay, and that might also be part
of the reason why some people pass out early. You know,
you get after a little bit, You get up early
to make these things. You watch some football, maybe there's
a bad game or two, and next thing you know,
you're out by one o'clock, one two o'clock in the afternoon,

(02:32):
and that's a wrap. I just gotta let everyone know
there's no telling what may come out of my mouth
today with the words that I say, because I believe
I am still recovering from last evening and I don't
know how long ago it was that I came in
from last evening to coming here today this morning. I mean,

(02:53):
I still feel a little foggy. What just because I
had one? Maybe do drink now that makes me an alcoholic?
I don't think so. See. Here's the thing, though, when
you were playing in the NFL, or when you were
playing football growing up, like this is a game week
for most of the time, right, so he couldn't really
partake in some of the weekday festivities that some people

(03:14):
partook in that don't play football or didn't play football
at a high level all those years. She's never really
been a big drinker. I'm just good at it. Oh.
I mean, listen, a lot of people you know are
really good at stuff. They take it as far as
they can because they know it pays the bills. But
you know it's not really their first love. I didn't.
It's not my first love. I didn't want to, you know,

(03:35):
push the limits of it. I just had. I think
I had three or four maybe five. Long Island's last night,
and man, people get after it. The Wednesday before Thanksgiving,
I'll tell you what, Man, we were at a little local, uh,
family owned restaurant. Not three, yeah, not full? Yeah, not five.
I'm saying, well, maybe maybe maybe that's the truth. Maybe

(03:57):
it was six. I don't know, because that's still fill it.
I do know that I woke up this morning, jan
it's jan It's it's all good. That was between NAT's
and janass So I thought there was a Z at
the end of said Jonas. Now after that, No, nope,

(04:17):
I'm not gonna I was about to say something. I'm
not gonna do it. I'm gonna do it anyway. Hey, Chris,
have the dump button ready to say that? I haven't.
I haven't ready. I'm ready to work it, right, I'm
ready to work. I'm just saying, with everything being said, everyone,
I'm ready to work. Yeah. So we are fired up,
we're excited, and we are here all the way up
again after the next three hours on Fox Sports Trade.

(04:39):
You're gonna want to listen to this show. I'm just
telling you, Like, this is one of those shows in particular,
like on your holiday um chill mood, and like like
Jonah said, getting up from you know, the recovery of
last evening or if you're still going and you're heading home,
you know you might be heading home or to the
diner or whatever it may be. You want to listen

(05:01):
to this show. They look our friends in Hawaii listening
on the blow torch of the Hawaiian Islands Fox Sports.
It's one am out there. I mean there's there's probably
a couple of sting in the bars. Yeah, why not.
You know they're having having a good time there. It's
probably like seventy eight degrees still at this time at night,
you know, the winds blowing. They got palm trees around him,
They got a turkey to cook in a few hours,

(05:23):
and they say, screw it, We're gonna listen to two
pros and a cup of jobs. I mean, I'd say
I suggest that they turned the music off and wherever
it is that they're at and turn this show on. Yeah,
I mean, I think it's going to be more entertaining
to go with what they're drinking at this point. Um,
rather than just listening to music. Yeah, yeah, they should

(05:43):
listen to our voices. I totally agree. Um. Now that
being said, Wilson, Yeah, probably not the best Thanksgiving week
for Zach Wilson. About that, Wilson, I'll be honest with you,
I didn't think they were actually going to bench him.
I didn't think Robert Salo was actually going to make
them move. I know there had been some speculation everything's
on the table, but it felt more like a threat,

(06:04):
kind of a wake up call that it was an
actual benching. And not only is Zach Wilson benched for
this game against the Bears this week, he's not even active.
Mike White's getting the start, Joe Flaccos the backup, and
Zach Wilson is going to be in street clothes watching
this game take place. Now. Robert Sali yesterday spoke about

(06:25):
the decision. He spoke about his reasoning behind the decision.
Here was a little bit from the head coach of
the New York Jets. Zack's career here is not over.
I know that's going to be the narrative. I know
that what that's what everybody wants to wants to shout out,
and that's not even close to the case. The intent,
the full intent is to make sure Zach gets back
on the football field at some point this year. The
biggest thing with Zach, and the same things that we've

(06:47):
talked about, is the young man needs to reset. His
decision making has been fine, his practice, habits, all that
stuff have been fine, but there's some basic fundamental things
that have gotten really out of whack for him. Is
it a small step back, Absolutely for him, But do
I think it's going to be a great leap forward
when when he does get a chance to reset himself. Absolutely.
This is not putting a nail in his coffin. This
is not that. It's not even close to that. So

(07:08):
there it is. That was Robert. So that's a nail. Yeah,
I mean, I don't know if it's the nail in
the coffin, but it is a nail in the coffin,
and he is in the coffin. He did admit that
it's not the nail in the coffin, but he didn't
say Zach Wilson isn't in the coffin. Sometimes you just
gotta pay attention to the little things, you know, the
little details connected to you know, things that people say

(07:32):
because they're telling you what you need to hear. You
just gotta be listening to hair it. So what you're
saying is is Zach Wilson is in the coffin. The
nail just isn't in it yet. Yeah, Okay, I just
wanted to make sure we were clear. Uh you know,
I mean, if if you were wondering how soon into
the show before we get a coffin reference, if you

(07:53):
had the under of nine minutes, congratulations, you're a big
winner here to start off your Thanksgiving holiday. But point being,
I guess I'm trying to reason with why the move
is made, and the only thing I can come up
with is maybe he thinks let him just sit back
and watch, and maybe if he sits back and watches,

(08:15):
he'll get a better understanding as to what's going on.
It's either that or Zach Wilson really piste off some
people on that team. Now you're now you're now that's
where you need to live because live like because if
he if he was, if it was just about play,
then to me, the move would be all right, you know,

(08:36):
have him be the backup, but he's not going to start.
So that way, if something happens, you can bring him
into the game and maybe he's not thinking as much.
He just goes in there and he plays. But the
fact that he's inactive tells me, team, this is as
much of a punishment as it is a debt Trit's not.
It's not I would say it's not a punishment. It

(08:59):
is a The team is bigger than any one player.
And he lost the team with the things that he
said and the one thing in particular where he did
not take accountability for letting the team down. Let the
team down with the way you played. You could have

(09:20):
played better. And let's just say for the sake of saying,
even if it were true that he wasn't the sole
purpose or the sole reason why that didn't happen. Take
it anyway. You take it anyway, because that's what leaders do.
You take the bullets. You know the pressure is coming

(09:40):
your way. You take it like, yeah, I could have
done better Brady. Brady Quentin said it earlier this week,
the exact same thing. I heard Mark Sanchez say the
exact same thing. Both those guys played in the Jets organization.
Mark Sanchez started a bunch of game for the Jets
and said something along the lines of, that's part of
the gig. You to wear it. You gotta stand up

(10:01):
there and you gotta take accountability when your team struggles,
and you've got to own it. It's not the most
it's not the best part of the job, but it's
part of the job. The audio is damning enough, but
when you see the video of it and you see
like the blank look like almost like you can draw

(10:23):
so many different conclusions, but I think the one that
if you're a teammate, you draw a conclusion of dismissive, arrogant,
uh detached. I think you draw you draw conclusions that
are turn off conclusions. He turned some people off, and

(10:44):
it must have been enough of a turn off to
a lot of people that it turned It made Robert
Sala have to make a decision. Do I do I
stay committed to to uh dang Zack Wilson, you see
what happened here? Do I stay committed to Jack. Not

(11:06):
a problem. Dang, bro, do you stay committed to Zach Wilson?
You all I done hooked you up with? Oh, you
better have your vets? All you better? You better have

(11:27):
your vets. Oh I'm coming with you. I'm coming to
get you a little bit, baby, I'll get you. I
really believe Robert Sala had to do what he did
with Zach Wilson in order put you like this. There

(11:50):
was a dilemma. And the dilemma was do I write
with Zach or do I put the team first? And
whatever was said to the coach, that was stated between
the leaders of that team, the players of that team
to the coach, and what that coach had to say
back to those players, his actions had to to to fit.

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Because the one thing that I do know, and I've
been him, I've been in a locker room that had
many of coaches come through it and many of quarterbacks
come through it. The one thing I do know the
question Robert Sala had to ask himself before he made
this decision, whatever whatever reasoning he gave to the media,

(12:36):
that's fine. The question he had to ask and answer
before he came out and said this and this is
a hot tape. Is Zack Wilson worth me losing the
locker room? Is Zack Wilson as the quarterback of this

(12:56):
team and me supporting him and pushing through this and
kind of addressing it but still continuing to move forward
with Zach Wilson as my starting quarterback? Is it worth
me me the head coach, me being in a position
where I am losing the locker room? And I think

(13:18):
we would all know what the answer is based upon
what the decision has been that has been made. And
also Robert Solo made mention at some point yesterday where look,
the postgame comments didn't impact my decision on this whatsoever.
I call BS And here's why. If Zach Wilson played
the way that he played against the Patriots, and then

(13:39):
Zach Wilson shows up at the postgame press conference and
says I gotta be better, I feel like, yes, I
did let him down and I need to be a
better perform better. The defense put us in a position
to win, and I failed on my end in order
Zach Wilson starting this week against the Byrs. That's a fact.
Like anybody that tries to just pute that, you can

(14:01):
look at all, said he's made great decisions on the field.
He said, this has nothing really to do with his play.
I think that's what he said, and that what he said. Yeah,
he's he's He's been very complimentary at times to Zack Wilson,
but like when he says things like, well, the postgame
comments had nothing to do with it, Yes it did.
That's why the conversation took the turn that it took,

(14:22):
and that's why you had players in that locker room
and this was made public. And you won't find anybody
that's disputing this that we're piste off about the way
he handled it, that he was walking around the locker
room like I mean, what what what did I do?
Or detached, like you gotta be able to read the room,
especially if you're you're supposed to be by default, the

(14:45):
leader of at least one side of it. There's nothing
worse than being an a hole and not knowing it.
All Right, If you're an a hole and you call
yourself out and say sorry, I'm a jeriic sometimes you
know and you own up to it, that's one thing.
But if you walk around and your aloof to the
situation and what's happening, and you've got an attitude that
rubs people the wrong way, especially in a game in

(15:06):
which your defense allowed three points. You lost on a
special team's touchdown. It's the Patriots if you lost four
teen straight games too, if you want to, and you
talked about it on Monday, if you're one of those
players on defense, you're fuming. Then you hear him say
the things that he said afterwards, I couldn't even imagine
that things people. Look, here's the thing about the Jets,

(15:30):
and we can all poke fun at the Jets. Their
defense is legit. Man. You look at every statistical category,
their top ten in the league, every statistical category. They
are a top tier defense in the league. The problem
is at quarterback like this, and so when he steps
up there, it was I think again, his yard seventy

(15:53):
seven yards in that game was horrible to put to
put that into perspective, was missing wasn't seeing receivers, he
wasn't making the throws. He was missing throws. Put it
in perspective, like Josh Allen, I think through what a
like he had a long touchdown pass. I forget which
game it was earlier this season. To Gabe Davis, Josh Allen,

(16:15):
on one pass play, had almost twenty more yards than
Zack Wilson had in an entire game against the Patriots
on Sunday. He just so when when when that is?
And the cherry on top of that Sunday. I didn't
do anything wrong. It's it's a problem, and that's why
we're here. Uh, you didn't do anything wrong, did you?

(16:40):
Did you happen to look at the stats from the game.
It's just mr, Mr Zack Wilson. Can I just read
you off one statistical category that was associated with you
in this game? Please? Yeah, it's uh, what do you mean?

(17:02):
What do you mean? It's not you? It was you? Yeah.
It is so not a not a good situation. But
the Jets are moving forward. Zach Wilson again will be
in street clothes. Mike White your starter, Joe Flacco's your backup.
They take on the Bears this coming weekend, and so
we will have more in that game throughout the course
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Aaron Rodgers. There's been some speculation, okay, not about him
licking toads Long Island. Nice, yeah, that or the ayahuasca

(18:47):
or whatsca. Although I don't think he's a Long Island guy.
I think he's like a Scotch guy. Because remember he
was at that Bucks game and they challenged him to
slam a beer and he couldn't really do it, and
David Box tr ripped to like remember that kind and
Aaron Rodgers couldn't do it, And then afterwards he said, well,
if it was like a Scotch or something like that,
you know, I could partake, but you know he's not. Yeah,

(19:10):
so I don't know if my stomach just hurt really yeah,
I mean it's turning anyway, but Scotch made it turn
even more. A nice Scotch whiskey, but like a you know,
like a nice glass of ice, yeah, like a big
old stone of ice. Yeah, you could do something like that.
I don't really have any of those I got that

(19:32):
old school, that old school. You fill up that ice
train and then you gotta like break it apart to
get the ice cubes out, because we have that too,
but they're football's really, they're molds for footballs. Yeah, our
fridge doesn't have the freezer doesn't work because I walked
out into the kitchen one morning and basically needed a

(19:56):
canoe paddle to try and get to the coffee because
there was a leak. Sprung the leak, and then I
just decided I don't want to deal with this anymore,
and I don't want to have to pay for a
new fridge, so I just just cut ties, tied up
the tubes. No longer water going into the fridge. So
we got to do it manually. But again, that's the
main streets a thousands California. It's just how we do
it in our parts, you know what I mean? Yeah?

(20:18):
Did that just go over lebage? You just told us
storied the tubes of freezer? Yeah, alright, yeah, No, no
longer ice babies allowed. They're tied them up, alright, clean
to go. No, not doing it yet, refused to doesn't
fit the budget. No that I'm just not doing it.

(20:40):
I don't want to do it. Bro, you probably got
so much money. Man, You've probably got so much money. Dude,
you really must have a whole lot No, my wife
does your wife does it has a whole lot of
money ends it. Yeah, But well, you know, you know

(21:02):
those Amazon boxes that show ups stacked a mile high,
your place, going on at your spot, kind of something
along that. So, so there's that that's happening. But yeah,
he's got this issue with this thumb, and he did
confirm yesterday and talking with the people in Green Bay
that it is a broken thumb. Here was the Packers quarterback.
I think I've had worse injuries I've played with, so,

(21:24):
you know, definitely challenge, but the day's off helped the
feeling better this week. I never actually told us of
the broken right like publicly, so it didn't make a difference.
It doesn't. It doesn't make a difference of me playing,
you know, that doesn't make a difference. Tape on my
thumb didn't. That would seem to me. It seemed to
me like a broken thumb would make a difference trying
to throw the football. But you know, who the hell knows.

(21:46):
Here's my question though, because the Packers are a diaper fire.
They're not good. They're four and seven. They've got no chance.
All right, They've got there there at Philly this week,
they're at the Bears. They've got It's just Jordan's love exactly. Like,

(22:06):
at what point? And I don't think surgery is necessary
on the thumb, But what point if you're the Packers,
do you not say, hey, why don't we shut it
down a little bit? You know? Like I think there's
some speculation the Rams might do it with Stafford because
they understand what is actually happening, what their season really is,
what's going on, and want to, you know, play it safe.
But also let's go ahead and just you know, we

(22:29):
understand what the final conclusion of this season is going
to be. Let's move forward to next year. If that
means you throw Jordan's love out there to see what
you got in him, and maybe you build up some
trade interest, or who knows, maybe they decide after this year, hey,
we want to go in that direction as opposed to
running it back with Rogers. It just feels to me,
what's the point at this point with the Packers. I mean,

(22:52):
there's no reason for me to disagree with that. I
don't know what the point is. If if the man
has a fractured broken thumb and it needs to be repaired,
repair it and repair it now, and see what you
have in Jordan's love. There's no reason to sit there.
If I'm att La Fleur, if I'm in front office,
there's no reason to sit there and be like, oh,

(23:13):
we're not gonna throw Jordan's Love into this scenario. In
this situation, it is a situation set for him to fail,
but it's also a situation that's set for him to
have the opportunity. And all a person can ask for
is an opportunity. So regardless of what the circumstances are
in the conditions surrounding him getting that opportunity, he needs

(23:34):
to have the opportunity, the chance to show that he
can either step up and be a positive contributor under
these circumstances or or he can't. But you'll never know
unless you see what he's capable of doing. So in
this moment in time where this this team is really

(23:57):
like you said, they're really bad, like they're they're not
good at all, They're not good at all, there's no
reason for for Aaron Rodgers to push through other than
to say, you're paying me all of this money and
I'm going to continue to play regardless of what the outcomes.
Aren't going to continue to play. But if you're talking
about as an organization, we just got done talking about

(24:19):
Zach Wilson and what that represented and in New York,
what well, what does this represent in in Green Bay?
Right now? You have a guy that has an injured thumb.
Yes he's one of the Goats, Yes he's a reigning
two time MVP of the league. But there's their season
is off the rails. Now I would say this, it's different.

(24:43):
The two are different because the Jets are still very
much in this season. Green Bay is very much going
the opposite direction of relevance towards making it to the postseason.
So there's that. And so if I'm a player and
I'm like, well, if Aaron Rodgers can't make it work

(25:03):
with our team, then why would we think any other
player that we have on our roster at that position
will be able to do it? And maybe that's a
thought process of it as well, is at least this
team will continue to fight and try to win games
and try to be competitive with Aaron Rodgers at the helm,

(25:24):
I don't, you know, I don't know. Maybe that's the
conversation the floor and Aaron Rodgers have. I don't, I
don't really know what the motivation would be. And I
think that that would be the best question to ask
if I'm asking Aaron Rodgers in an interview right now,
the question of why are you not going to get
your finger repaired or allowed for your thumb to to

(25:45):
heal up properly, and then you decide if you're gonna
come back or not. Why is it so important to
you that you continue to play right now? And he
may give you a very very honest and obvious question.
He may give you a crip dick or a you know,
just a I don't know, tongue in cheek type of answer,

(26:05):
I don't, I don't know. It seems pretty clear cut
that the answer would most likely be somewhere along the
lines of you don't want to let your team down,
or you still feel like this team has a chance,
but really, why wouldn't you allow yourself to let your
and it's his throwing it's his throwing hand, um, why
would you not allow your your thumb to hell under

(26:28):
these circumstances? If you're a betting man right now. And
by the way, for our friends listening in Wisconsin right
now on our fine affiliates ten seventy the game in Wisconsin.
We're not trying to be doom and gloom on the Packers.
We're just saying what you all feel and maybe don't
want to say out loud. The team's bad. It doesn't
look like it's getting any better this year. Rather go

(26:50):
into next year, make a couple of you know moves
in the off season, you know, you know, get better
on the offensive line, get a legitimate weapon for Aaron
Rodgers to work with. Hope the defense improves because they've
been disappointing this year. And then you come back next
year in a division that's very winnable because you know,
the lines have made progress, but it's still not a

(27:10):
team that you look at and go that's going to
take over control of the division. The Bears are still
rebuilding in Minnesota. I mean, who the hell knows. I mean,
one week they go into Buffalo and win. The next
week they get blown out by forty by the Cowboys.
So it's like, to me, that would be the plan
in place and the hope moving forward and then you
try and maybe build a little bit through the draft
of your the Packers. But I just if they get

(27:33):
to a point where they lose a few more games
and you've got a couple of weeks left in the
regular season, why not run Jordan's Love out there. And
I actually don't think Rogers would be opposed to that.
I really don't. I don't think Rogers would look at
it and say, no, no, no, I'm offended by this.
This bothers me on the starting quarterback. This is my team.

(27:54):
I came back for this. I think Rogers understands what
the realization is there, and I think he would be
with the idea of, hey, man, we gotta at least
see what we've got in Jordan's Love. Rogers has got
a couple of years left at best, and we need
to decide whether or not we're going to pick up
some options, maybe extend him a little bit, and whether
or not he's going to be the quarterback of the future.
I don't think you would be opposed to that. So

(28:16):
the idea that Rogers finishes the season, if I were
a betting man, I don't think it happens. I think
Jordan's Love at some point it's going to start a
game for the Packers this year, and I think it's
gonna be out of maybe precaution, but I think Jordan's
Love is going to be a starting quarterback for the
Packers this year. If you were a betting man, you're
in Vegas right now, you just lost a bunch of
money at blackjack, like t J. Houshman's Odda told me

(28:37):
it did because you didn't know when to just you know, yeah,
I mean, listen, it happens. It happens to the best
of us, you know. But if you're in Vegas and
they say to you, is Jordan's Love going to start
a game this year for the Packers? What are you betting?
All of it? I agree, like I just so to me,
it's just a matter of But their third in the North,

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and the NFC North there at four and seven. The Lions,
the Detroit Lions are number two, if I'm Aaron Rod,
number two in the division, by the way, and the
division number two in the NFC, said NFC North, But
you said they were number two. I don't want anybody
to take that and kind of twisted well. I had

(29:22):
started off by saying the you know, the Green Bay
Packers were number three in the NFC North. When you
call somebody number two, it's kind of an insult, you
know what I mean? Number two, it's kind of an insult.
But the Vikings are number one in the NFC North.
They're winning. The Detroit Lions are number two in the
NFC North. That's kind of weird to do, I don't know.

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And then you get the Packers and you get the Bears.
What's trying to say, that's your squad their number two
right now in the North and the NFC North. Listen,
all I'm saying is, here's where the offense may come in.
Here's where the defense mechanism of Aaron Rodgers may come
into play in a scenario like this. I don't believe

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he thinks this season is over. I don't believe he
thinks this season is out of reach at four winds,
which is the same wind told as the Detroit Lions.
He's either looking at it from the standpoint of, if
we can catch fire and we can get through a
couple of these games, we can push for the wild card.

(30:30):
If the Wiels fall off for for Detroit, which they
very well could, and we saw what happened to Minnesota,
the wheels could possibly fall off for Minnesota. So if
if they keep playing, there's the small glimmer of hope
that they could play their way back into a wild

(30:51):
card scenario situation or possibly even contend for the NFC North.
According to DraftKings, the Packers odge at making the playoffs
are plus seven hundred, So basically they are seven to one.
Like if you if you bet a hundred of dollars,
you would win seven hundred dollars if they make the playoffs.
The flip side of that, the know is mightus twelve.

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So we're talking borderline astronomical chances that the Green Bay
Packers make the playoffs. Rogers has to know with the
way this season is gone. Like when I look at him,
I just look at a guy who says, yeah, it
ain't good this year, and uh, you know, we'll just
try and do what we can and then get to
the off season and figure it out. I think deep

(31:33):
down he probably knows they're they're in an impossible spot
here with all these losses. Dismantled Minnesota. I know they
didn't just beat them. They beat them, right, They didn't
just win the game. They beat them, gave him the

(31:53):
switch corporal punishment, spanked that as Candy Cane cousins, Did
you see the means of making Michael Parsons debot grabbing
the chains off of his neck? My cheam pump Like,
if I'm Aaron Rodgers, if I'm Detroit, if I'm Green Bay,

(32:19):
I say, did you see what just happened to Minnesota?
They got a hard game this weekend coming up? Who
they have this weekend? Minnesota has got the Patriots coming
up later tonight. That's a that's a hard game for them.
That could be two straight losses. They get another win
this week, so they they play who Who does Green

(32:40):
Bay play this week? Green Bay's guy to Philly. That's bad,
That's not good for them. Minnesota's got a four game
lead in the division. Dude, I get it. It's over.
I hear what you're saying, and man, dad man walking,
I get what you're saying. I'm just trying to walk
you through the mind of a of an ultimate ultra

(33:02):
competitive person. That's what I'm trying to do. I'm trying
to paint the picture. Four games removed to to Aaron Rodgers,
probably it's doable. In his mind, I can do it,
and and that that feeling of that burst of adrenaline
where you could actually be known for the guy that

(33:22):
brought them from four games behind when the season seemingly
looked out of reach and you created this turnaround, and
y'all did it. Y'all surmounted an insurmountable situation that goes
further towards the legend of Aaron Rodgers. And if you
don't think he's sitting there thinking that by saying my
thumb is broken, but I'm still going I'm doing this.

(33:43):
He's painting the picture, he's creating the narrative to be
able to say I am indeed the goat. I overcame.
This wasn't just easy. I overcame all of these things
like Tom Brady's knee, right except now we know in
in time right now that that's what's going on, is
he does have it in your thumb. Two Pros and

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do Do Do de Lap the lap, Fellas. The NFL
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(36:15):
video talking about football in the holiday before each game
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football program in their name John Madden. How great it
was Madden back in the day. People nowadays that are
just starting to watch football, they don't know the simple

(36:36):
beauty of John Madden and Pat Some are all calling games.
Just talk about letting a call, breathe a little bit,
touch down and that was it. And then John Madden
would follow up with which lineman made a block? And uh,
how much he eats pre game around that corner. They

(36:58):
just came around there and he just got up in
there and here and then he starts breaking it down.
It's the best. I didn't know coaches Lingo when he
would hand out that tur ducan. I didn't know that
a tur ducan it was like an actual thing. It's
it's a turkey thing. It's a turkey and adductor right,
the duck is inside of the turkey. Yeah, and a
chicken right yeah, yeah yeah. I just thought I thought

(37:22):
a turn ducan was like an eight legged turkey. It
was like deformed or something. I swear to God. Ducan
turd Ducan you remember he cut it open with his
hand on it. It was gross with Yeah, I just
I swear to god, I thought it was like an
eight legged turkey. Like remember Antonio Alfonseca had an extra
finger on his hand. He used to pitch for the Marlins.
He had like an extra finger on his hands. I

(37:43):
just always thought, oh, it's an Alphonseca turkey. He's got
like an extra extra leg or something. And apparently not.
It's like one stuff to the other, which, by the way,
it sounds absolutely disgusting. It just sounds gross. And how
do you get all of those inside of the turkeys? Yeah?
Want to know? Do you stuff the chicken inside of
the duck and then some way, somehow find a way

(38:07):
to stick the duck inside of the turkey? That is correct?
Do you loose it up with gravy? I mean, what
did he say, butterfly? Oh? Yeah, I don't know. Listen,
we're trying to come up with these answers here, folks.
All right, we're trying to do you a favor. We're
trying to either steer you in the direction of a
too duck in or away from it. It's a big

(38:27):
enough cavity to fit a duck and a chicken. Clearly
speak for yourself. Maybe it's a cornish hen what else?
You golly, guys, you are stupid. Budweiser is seeking forty
seven million dollars from FIFA over their last minute decision
to ban alcohol from the World Cup. Uh. Budweiser also

(38:50):
announce are gonna be giving all the beer that they
had sent over to Quitar to the winning winning country.
Oh wow, I mean what if it's Qatar? What a
bait and switch? Man? Yeah, you imagine if guitar got it? Like,
what a what a? What a? What a move by
the people there that just thought, you know what, last minute,
we're gonna tell everybody they can't drink. And then you've

(39:11):
got the FIFA president coming out and saying, well, you
know you should be able to sit through a three
hour soccer game without drinking. Cool? What about the other
twenty one hours that I'm that I'm here in Qatar?
Can I have a cocktail? Please? What a joke? Damn
World Cup and Quitar you know what I mean? Creating storylines? Yeah,
there you go. Yeah, that's a lot of money. Forty

(39:31):
eight million dollars. What do you think? Happy? Hour and
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