November 24, 2022 • 45 mins
It’s Thanksgiving on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe and the guys applaud the Holiday warriors getting up early to prepare their family feasts. The Jets bench Zach Wilson after he seemingly lost the locker-room. Justin Fields gives an update on his shoulder injury and the guys wonder how Sean Payton prioritizes potential coaching jobs in the NFL.
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say for those of you waking up on the East
Coast who might have gotten a little bit banged up
last night and you gotta wake up early because you
gotta prep all the food so everybody can stuff their
faces the entire day. I just want to say, I
commend you, because that's not easy to do, having a
wake up with with all that you got going on
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last night, the parties, the family in town, the friends
you haven't seen for a while, and they have to
go through all of that to try and get this
meal ready for everybody. I commend those people. I'm not
one of them that ain't happening, but I would commend
those people who decided to go ahead and take part
and and and willing themselves across the finish line so
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they can make sure everybody eats okay. And that might
also be part of the reason why some people pass
out early. You know, you get after a little bit,
you get up early to make these things you watch
in football, maybe there's a bad game or two, and
next thing you know, you're out by one o'clock, one
two o'clock in the afternoon, and that's a wrap. I
just gotta let everyone know there's no telling what may
come out of my mouth today with the words that
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I say, because I believe I am still recovering from
last evening and I don't know how long ago it
was that I came in from last evening to coming
here today this morning. I mean, I still feel a
little foggy, what just because I had one, maybe two drink?
But now that makes me an alcoholic, I don't think so. See.
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Here's the thing, though, when you were playing in the NFL,
or when you were playing football growing up, like this
is a game week for most of the time, right,
so he couldn't really partake in some of the weekday
festivities that some people partook in that don't play football
or didn't play football at a high level all those years.
She's never really been a big drinker. I'm just good
at it, that's oh. I mean, listen, a lot of
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people you know are really good at stuff. They take
it as far as they can because they know it
pays the bills. But you know, it's not really their
first love. I didn't, it's not my first love. I
didn't want to, you know, push the limits of it.
I just had I think I had three or four
maybe five Long Island's last night, and man, people get
after it. The Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Hey, I'll tell you what, man,
that we were at a little local, uh, family owned restaurant.
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Not three, yeah, not full? Yeah, not five I'm saying not.
Well maybe maybe maybe that's the truth. Maybe it was six.
I don't know because I still feel it. I do
know that I woke up this morning Joe's Joe Nits,
It's all good. That was between NAT's and Joe Nass.
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So I thought there was a Z at the end
of said Joan Nass. Now after that, No, no, I'm
not gonna I was about to say something. I'm not
gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it anyway. Hey, Chris,
have the dump button ready? I just say that I haven't.
I have it ready. I'm ready to work out it right,
I'm ready to work. I'm just saying, with everything being said, everyone,
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I'm ready to work. Yeah. So we are fired up,
we're excited, and we are here all the way up
again for the next three hours on Fox Sports Trade.
You're gonna want to listen to this show. I'm just
telling you, like, this is one of those shows in particular,
like on your holiday, um chill mood, and like like
Jonas said, getting up from you know, the recovery of
last evening, or if you're still going and you're heading home,
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you know you might be heading home or to the
diner or whatever it may be. You want to listen
to this show. They look our friends in Hawaii listening
on the Blowtorch of the Hawaiian Islands Fox Sports Night nineties.
It's one am out there. I mean there's there probably
a couple still going the bars. Yeah, why not. You
know they're having having a good time there. It's probably
like seventy eight degrees still at this time at night.
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You know, the wind's blowing. They got palm trees around him,
They got a turkey to cook in a few hours,
and they say, screw it, we're gonna listen to Two
Pros and Cup of Jobs. I suggest that they turned
the music off and wherever it is that they're out
and turn this show on. Yeah. I mean, I think
it's going to be more entertaining to go with what
they're drinking at this point, um, rather than just listening
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to music, Yeah, yeah, they should listen to our voices,
I totally agree. Um. Now that being said, yeah, probably
not the best Thanksgiving week for Zach Wilson Wison. I'll
be honest with you, I didn't think they were actually
going to bench him. I didn't think Robert Salo was
actually going to make the move. I know there had
been some speculation everything's on the table, but it felt
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more like a threat, kind of a wake up call
that it was an actual benching. And not only is
Zach Wilson benched for this game against the Bears this week,
He's not even active. Mike White's getting the start, Joe
Flaccos the backup, and Zach Wilson is going to be
in street clothes watching this game take place. Now. Robert
Salo yesterday spoke about the decision. He spoke about his
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reasoning behind the decision. Here is a little bit from
the head coach of the New York Jets. Zack's career
here is not over. I know that's going to be
the narrative. I know that what that's what everybody wants
to wants to shout out, and that's not even close
to the case. The intent, the full intent is to
make sure Zach gets gets back on the football field
at some point this year. The biggest thing with Zach,
and the same things that we've talked about, is the
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young man needs to reset. His decision making has been fine,
his practice, habits, all that stuff have been fine, but
there's some basic fundamental things that have gotten really out
of whack for him. Is it a small step back,
Absolutely for him. But do I think it's going to
be a great leap forward when it when he does
get a chance to reset himself. Absolutely. This is not
putting a nail in his coffin. This is not that.
It's not even close to that. So there it is.
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That was Robert. So that's a nail. Yeah. I mean,
I don't know if it's the nail in the coffin,
but it is a nail in the coffin, and he
is in the coffin. He did admit that it's not
the nail in the coffin, but he didn't say Zach
Wilson isn't in the Often sometimes you just gotta pay
attention to the little things, you know, the little details
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connected to you know, things that people say because they're
telling you what you need to hear. You just gotta
be listening. To hair it. So what you're saying is
is Zach Wilson is and the coffin the nail just
isn't in it yet. Yeah, okay, I just wanted to
make sure we were clear list happy Thanksgiving. Uh you know,
I mean, if you're wondering how soon into the show
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before we get a coffin reference, if you had the
under of nine minutes, congratulations, you're a big winner here
to start off your Thanksgiving holiday. But point being, I
guess I'm trying to reason with why the move is made,
and the only thing I can come up with is
maybe he thinks let him just sit back and watch,
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and maybe if he sits back and watches, he'll get
a better understanding as to what's going on. It's either
that or Zach Wilson really piste off some people on
that team. Now you're now, you're now, that's where you
need to live, because that's where you need to live.
Like because if he if he was, if it was
just about play, then to me, the move would be
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all right. You know, have him be the backup, but
he's not going to start, So that way, if something happens,
you can bring him into the game and maybe he's
not thinking as much. He just goes in there and
he plays. But the fact that he's inactive tells me
he lost the team. This is as much of a
punishment as it is a detrit that that's not a play.
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It's not I would say, it's not a punishment. It
is a The team is bigger than any one player,
and he lost the team with the things that he said,
and the one thing in particular where he did not
take accountability for letting the team down. Let the team
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down with the way you played, you could have played better.
And let's just say for the sake of saying, even
if it were true that he wasn't the sole purpose
or the sole reason why that didn't happen. Take it anyway.
You take it anyway, because that's what leaders do. You
take the bullets. You know the pressure is coming your way.
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You take it like, yeah, I could have done better,
Brady Brady Quentin said it earlier this week, the exact
same thing. I heard Mark Sanchez say, the exact same thing.
Both those guys played in the Jets organization. Mark Sanchez
started a bunch of game for the Jets and said
something along the lines of that's part of the gig.
You gotta wear it. You gotta stand up there, and
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you gotta take accountability when your team struggles, and you've
got to own it. It's not the most it's not
the best part of the job, but it's part of
the job. The audio is damning enough, but when you
see the video of it and you see like the
blank look like almost like you can draw so many
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different conclusions, but I think the one that if you're
a teammate, you draw a conclusion of dismissive, arrogant, uh, detached.
I think you draw you draw conclusions that are turn
off conclusions. He turned some people off, and it must
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have been enough of a turn off to a lot
of people that it turned. It made Robert sla have
to make a decision. Do I do I stay committed
to to uh Zack Wilson? You see what happened here?
Do I stay committed to Jack? Not a problem? Do
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you stay committed to Zack Wilson? I think you all.
I done hooked you up with. Oh you better have
your vest on? You better, you better have your vests. Oh,
I'm coming for you. I'm coming to get you a
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get you. I really believe Robert Sala had to do
what he did with Zach Wilson in order put to
you like this. There was a dilemma, and the dilemma
was do I write with Zack or do I put
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the team first? And whatever was said to the coach,
that was stated between the leaders of that team, the
players of that team to the coach, and what that
coach had to say back to those players, his actions
had to to to fit. Because the one thing that
I do know, and I've been him, I've been in
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a locker room that had many of coaches come through
it and many of quarterbacks come through it. The one
thing I do know the question Robert Salo had to
ask himself before he made this decision. Whatever whatever reasoning
he gave to the media, that's fine. The question he
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had to ask and answer before he came out and
said this, and this is a hot take. Is Zach
Wilson worth me losing the locker room? Is Zach Wilson
as the quarterback of this team and me supporting him
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and pushing through this and kind of addressing it but
still continuing to move forward with Zach Wilson as my
starting quarterback? Is it worth me? Me, the head coach,
me being in a position where I am losing the
locker room, and I think we would all know what
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the answer is based upon what the decision has been
that has been made. And also Persolo made mention at
some point yesterday where look, the postgame comments didn't impact
my decision on this whatsoever. I call BS And here's why.
If Zach Wilson played the way that he played against
the Patriots and then Zach Wilson shows up at the
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postgame press conference and says I gotta be better, I
feel like, yes, I did let him down and I
need to be a better perform better. The defense put
us in a position to win, and I failed on
my end in order. Zach Wilson starting this week against
Savery's that's a fact. Like anybody that tries to dispute that,
you can look at all said he's made great decisions
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on the field. He said, this has nothing really to
do with his play. I think that's what he said,
and that what he said. Yeah, he's he's He's been
very complimentary at times to Zack Wilson, but like when
he says things like, well, the postgame comments had nothing
to do with it. Yes, it did. That's why the
conversation took the turn that it took, and that's why
you had players in that locker room and this was
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made public. And you won't find anybody that's disputing this
that we're piste off about the way he handled it,
that he was walking around the locker room like I mean,
what what what did I do? Or detached like you
gotta be able to read the room, especially if you're
you're supposed to be by default, the leader of at
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least one side of it. There's nothing worse than being
an a hole and not knowing it. All right, If
you're an a hole and you call yourself out and
say sorry, I'm a jeriic sometimes you know or and
you own up to it, that's one thing. But if
you walk around and you're aloof to the situation and
what's happening, and you've got an attitude that rubs people
the wrong way, especially in a game in which your
defense allowed three points, you lost on a special team's touchdown,
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it's the Patriots. If you lost fourteen straight games too,
if you want to, and when you talked about it
on Monday, if you're one of those players on defense,
you're fuming. Then you hear him say the things that
he said afterwards. I couldn't even and imagine that things. People. Look,
here's the thing about the Jets, and we can all
poke fun at the Jets. Their defense is legit. Man.
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You look at every statistical category. Their top ten in
the league, every statistical category. They're a top tier defense
in the league. The problem is at quarterback like this,
and so when he steps up, they he was I
think again, his yard seventy seven yards. His yard that
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game was horrible to put to put that into perspective,
was missing. He wasn't seeing receivers, he wasn't making the throws.
He was missing throws like Josh Allen, I think through
what a like he had a long touchdown pass. I
forget which game it was earlier this season. To Gabe Davis,
Josh Allen on one pass play had almost twenty more
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yards than Zack Wilson had in an entire game against
the Patriots on Sundays Like he just so when when
when that is? And the cherry on top of that
is I didn't do anything wrong. It's it's a problem,
and that's why we're here. So, uh, you didn't do
anything wrong, did you? Did you happen to look at
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the stats from the game. It's just mr, Mr Zach Wilson.
Can I just read you off one statistical category that
was associated with you in this game? Please? Yeah? It's uh,
what do you mean you didn't know? What do you mean? No,
it's not you, It was you. Yeah. It is so
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not a not a good situation. But the Jets are
moving forward. Zach Wilson again will be in street clothes.
Mike White your starter, Joe Flacco's your backup. They take
on the Bears this coming weekend. Be sure to catch
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Radio and the I Heart Radio. The Chicago Bears have
a have a quarterback in Justin Fields. He's the best
player in their team. He's a borderline star in the
league the way that he's played the past several weeks.
But he's got a little bit of an issue. He's
got the shoulder that's a little ding dub. He got
slammed on the sideline. Yeah, one minute, it's a dislocated shoulder,
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the next minute it's a separation. The next minute there
ligament center torn, etcetera, etcetera. We can't really get a
clear answer, but Justin Fields might still possibly play this
weekend against the New York Jets and Mike White, not
Zack Wilson. And so here was the Bears quarterback yesterday
updating everybody on how he feels and where he stands
when it comes to playing this weekend. I played pretty much,
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you know, for those guys in the locker room. I
see how much work they put in each and every day. Yeah,
just you know, having them as my teammates, having the
leaders that we do have on the scene, you'll be
there for everybody in the lead like they do. It's
a I think it's a big example of you know
how our team is, how we're built, and you know
what our culture is. If you're the Bears, do you
play Justin Fields this weekend against that defense. I don't
know the complexities of his his injury. I would say
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if I'm in the building and our medical staff is
looking at his ability to to play and they feel
okay about it, if he can go, then yes, you
play him. You don't hold him, you don't hold him out,
You play him, you know, because of all the reasons
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he just stayed in his interview. Everybody's working there trying
to find their way. They're competitive, They're not where they
need to be, but they're they're pretty competitive. So if
if Justin Fields can go and your medical staff fields
as though it's you know, it's it's it's an injury
that it's tolerable, or it's not an injury where he
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can make it worse on himself, then yeah, you you go.
So he said, I've heard Justin Field say that it
does hurt a lot when he tries to throw the ball.
And look, they got a few days or a couple
of days, not a few days before they make a
decision as to whether or not he'll go against the Jets.
My thought on it is they can't protect him with
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that offensive line and the way that they've played, especially
last week, and they made the Falcons look like they
were the eight five Bears. I mean, they were getting
after him and he was he was scrambling and you
could tell there was a concerted effort by him to
really make plays with his arm to where there were
opportunities and where maybe he could have pulled it down
and run a little bit, but he wanted to try
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and make plays with his arms, and he did a
couple of times. But you know, they lose the game.
He gets banged up, he throws that interception. Now you
find out after the fact that he was legitimately hurt
and dealing with a real injury while he was trying
to make a play at the end of that game.
I just wonder, if you're the organization you've identified, Okay,
he's our quarterback of the future, We're not really going
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anywhere this year. You're not going anywhere. I just like,
do you do you play it safe? Especially, and we
talked about it. The one thing you can say about
the Jets, their defense is legit again, top ten in
almost every statistical category as far as defense goes. They're
gonna get after him. Quinnin Williams is going to have
a field day against this offensive line. If I'm the Bears,
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I sit him, Like, why why take the chance? He's
clearly not anywhere close to I would sit him. I'd
put Trevor Simeon in and then just have a battle.
The backup quarterbacks that met life this weekend. That would
be the straight Arizona and uh and the Rams did
that not too long ago. That was a fun game.
It's possible it really wasn't. Uh, you were there right
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that one. Um, it's nice stadium that. Uh. I'm not
opposed to that. I'm not. I'm not a ows to
that reasoning because Justin Fields is the most valuable player
on that team. He is your most valuable commodity, your
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most valuable asset on the team, best player on that team.
I'm not opposed to that. I'm so let me ask
you this. Does it go? Obviously we heard the stories
that after the game against the Falcons, Justin Fields went
up to the defense and said, we didn't do our job,
we didn't do enough. Interesting, okay, and so yeah, and
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you know, it's very it's funny how that came out
the same week and pretty much the day after this
stuff was Zach Wilson not owning up to what was
happening with the locker room and his performance and the
defenders and his responsibility for the lost. But when you
look at the situation in Chicago with Justin Fields and
you see him come up to the defense and say
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that if he comes out this week and does get
it out and play and God forbid they win, that's
got to take him to an their level in that
locker room, right to where you already had respect for him.
If he if he's dealing with this and he's your
quarterback and comes out and plays and say, God forbid
they win this game on the road, that solidifies him
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as the guy in that locker room correct Like, and
I think he's already solidified himself. I think it further
goes towards that the conversation we were having about Detroit
and what Campbell was bringing to to the locker room.
If you have a if you have a a QB.
That shows that type of grit, that that type of
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of commitment to his teammates, into the team. It makes
him a fan favorite, more of a fan favorite, but
it also makes him, uh a guy that is in
a lot of ways you want to get behind that
that sympathetic figure, but not as a weak sympathetic figure.
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A sympathetic figure where it's like, man, we're the reason
why he's hurt, Like he's scrambling around, like he's still
out here fighting tooth and nail for us to be
able to make plays, we've got to do better. Varsity Blues. Oh,
Billy Bob cried, well, crommea river, you fat baby, my
quarterbacks tracking his leg because he you that was Varsity
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Blues and that was Billy Bob and he was concussed.
The rest in peace to Billy Bob. By the way,
he did have pass. The actor who played Billy Bob
been a while, right, yeah, a couple of years at least,
it's been a while. But point being, justin fields, all right,
you're gonna win over that locker room. And so potentially
goes out there and plays. Yeah he gave him back up.
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Yeah that's nasty. Well, here's the thing again, justin fields
playing and if he plays well, it just sets the
stage for possibly what this team can be. How we
view justin fields because Chicago isn't good enough to view
them outside of individual players, like you know, Briskers having
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an amazing rookie campaign. You can look at some some
of the guys in that secondary, you know, the other
safety having a good, good, you know campaign, rookie campaign.
You can't look at this team and say, you know, collectively,
this is a team that's going in the right direction
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right now. So you gotta find the singular winds that
are connected to this outfit, and Justin Fields has been
just that. By the way, on Jquan Jaquan Brisker, the
Bear safety second round pick, who has been and you
talked about it when they drafted him. The Bears got
a guy that's that's a great pick. So he's been
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really good as rookie season there for the Bears, starting
a safety um. He went on concussion protocol. Oh wow,
into concussion protocol yesterday. The problem is he finished the
game on Sunday, so they called him out of the
game multiple times. He was allowed to go back into
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the game multiple times on Sunday, and then all of
a sudden, Wednesday, he pops up in concussion protocol. I
don't know about you. I don't recall the Bears playing
a game between Sunday and Wednesday. Maybe I must have
missed something. Maybe they did play game. And last I
checked NFL practices. You're not clanging and banging and doing
bulling the ring at these practices anymore. So it's a
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little it's a little odd how now he's in concussion protocol.
But he was okay to finish the game. So I
would say that this whole we need to fix, the
concussion evaluation issue in the NFL probably isn't all the
way fixed. Would you agree? Maybe that's the just such
a heart that's a heart category. It's a hard one
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to do because everyone reacts differently and certain things symptoms
are different as it applies too concussions, And that's to me,
that is that is why it is such a difficult
topic to broach at times because people react differently. He
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might have passed the protocol testing to allow him to
go back into the game. He might have had a
late onset to the concussion that he sustained, the hit
injury that he sustained. So it's just very difficult to say, okay. Well,
definitively speaking, the Bears should have handled how they did
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things with him better. I mean, after the fact, it
makes it makes sense if he's in concussion protocol now.
And also, look every we can sit here and you
can you know, fire whatever independent medical staff assistant there
was on the Dolphins because of the test situation, and
you can you can get on the doctors and the
teams and they need to be held accountable. Bro, if
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the players tell you something that passes the test because
they want to get in the game, what are you
supposed to do as bad as to his injury looked
as bad as his injury looked if he passed concussion
protocols to be able to go back in. It's just
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it's again, it's a difficult topic. It's like, like, think
of it this way, right, they don't even do concussion
protocol in boxing or in the m m A. They
give you an eight count, right, like your eight count
is are you concussing or are you able to continue
towards me? Can you hold your hands up? Are you
are you coherent? Can you defend yourself? Can you fight?
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And then you continue to fight if a doctor gets involved.
The doctor gets involved, they stopped to fight boom. But
if you think about it, you can see some pretty
brutal knockdowns take place in boxing. So to give you,
just to give you kind of an example or a
now I did to say, okay, like, well, LaVar, did
you see the way that to it looked when he
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got up and how he stumbled around and this and
that and he shook his head like yeah, I did,
and there can be times where you can actually injure
yourself that way, or hit yourself that way, or get
hit that way, and you shake it off and you're
not concussed. As bad as it may look, you may
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not be concussed. So it's not for it's not for
onlookers to say I saw it. That's exactly what it is.
That's why I was posting on my social media. By
the way, go to King of the Mammals at King
of Mammals on I G. If you see some stuff
that that I do, that's mammals, that's King of the Mammals.
By the way, if you type my name in it
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pops up. But I posted the whole thing on Kelsey
hitting his head off of the ground and he probably
might have been concussed. It might have been concussed. Didn't
miss not note that. I I mean he went off and
play well afterwards, and nobody said anything about it. Well,
it's nothing never surfaced about it, nothing ever was said
about it. It happens. These head injuries happen all the time.
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There's a frequency of people hitting their heads. So if
you're going to jump on one small component or one
small it wasn't small because I mean, he clearly looked
messed up. But if you're going to jump on that,
you got to start looking at all of it. Symptoms
and body language. I think people have blurred the lines.
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Here's an example, like people that fail a sobriety test.
Have you ever tried to do one of those sobriety
perfectly sober and still fell a sobriety like like I'll
be lean your head back and touch your nose. Most
get there. Most officers to tell you if they pull
you out a car to do the sobriety test, you're
going to jail. They've already determined that they feel like
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you're you're intoxicated. So it's really just a formality for
for one reason. But you're already going to jail. So
if look, you could you could have this stank leg,
you know, after getting hit, it doesn't automatically mean you
got a concussion. And so that's one of the part
portions of this where the Bears are getting a little
bit of heat because it's like, well Brisker went back
into the game, why you know, and there's all that stuff,
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So he's questionable for this game coming up, so is
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This is a fun one. Oh so apparently the scuttle
bug or but whatever they want to call it is
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it scuttle butt and it's like a Qatar or Cutter.
I can't really get a clear answer, but ESPN is
reporting that Sean Payton the two jobs that he's keeping
an eye on as far as coming back to the
NFL to coach are the Chargers and the Cardinals. Those
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are the two that he's identified. Now, this no confirmation
on this. This is just according to ESPN. Obviously, with
the Chargers you've got Brandon Staley, who's there. With Arizona,
you've got Cliff Kingsbury. But there has been some rumblings
that there could be a potential change at coach in
either one or both of those organizations. And Sean Payton
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is the guy out there obviously who can kind of
pick and choose where he wants to go. So if
I'm gonna throw another one out there, the Denver Broncos
Nathaniel Hackett, I think everybody acknowledges this looks like it's
going to be a one and done. If you're Sean
Payton and you've got a choice between the Chargers, the
Cardinals and the Broncos, just put them in the proper order.
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So you go Chargers, and what's it? What is it?
Just the quarterback? What's do you have? A roster. Now
I would need to to understand where the contracts are
and how how much time some of the players have,
who's coming back, who isn't. But as it stands, if
I'm looking at it at face value in terms of
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amount of talent, and what team is best suited to
win immediately the most and and which which team has
the best quarterback that can give me a sustained level
of success, it's it's the Chargers. You got a great stadium,
you got a great market. I mean it's not better
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than Denver's market in terms of for football, but it's
it's a great market. Nonetheless, it's a great media market,
and you can further solidify what you want to do
once you're done playing the game or coaching the game,
right like, you could go right back into broadcasting. So
there's no big deal there. You're you're making yourself more
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valuable and valued in this this market. So I think
the Chargers would be certainly, uh the easy easy pick here,
Arizona would be would be pretty nice. They have some
nice pieces in place in Arizona. But I've gone from
being a fan of thinking that Kyler Murray is going
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to be a guy that that really really um gets
to a place of of this team achieving at a
high level. But I'm I'm kind of cooling off on
that there's something going on. I'm I'm telling you there's
something going on. And I brought it up and just said,
it feels awkward. It feels odd that Kyler Cliff thing.
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And maybe if Cliff kings Kingsbury is no longer the
head coach there, maybe that's that's really what the issue is.
But it does feel like Kyler Murray's rubbed some people
the wrong way on that rock, and maybe some people
have rubbed him the wrong way, and maybe there's just
been bad rubbing going on. And you know, you can
never get great results when you have bad rubbing coming
from both sides. It's got to be positive rubs. Great point.
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That's why we read about Gillette like, you can't be disrespectful.
It's got to be gentle. You's got to be thoughtful.
It is not abrasive, not painful. Now, can I disagree
with you on something, all right? But I agree or disagree,
But I think we both agree on something, and that's
even a bigger conversation. I actually think the Cardinals, I
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would put that him as a better spot than the
l A Chargers. Not that I like Kyler Murray more
than Justin Herbert, because I don't. But I think if
you're looking at path to a super Bowl, I think
the NFC West is a much easier path to a
super Bowl with that roster then the Chargers in the
a f C West argument because you're gonna have to
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deal with Mahomes and we've already seen, Oh you lose
maybe the best wide receiver in the NFL doesn't matter
minute fifteen. It takes us to go seventy yards in
a game winning drive at the Chargers um and but
it then you can get by Kansas City. Then what
else is left? Oh that's the thing. And I like
Justin Herbert more than I like Kyler Murray. It's I
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just look at it and I go, if if Kyler
Murray is not the problem and it's Cliff Kingsbury, there's,
to your point, a lot to like on that Arizona rosters.
I mean, there's there's there's talent there. That's why they're
so frustrated. That's why it's irritating to watch them plays
on what Payton knows how to coach short quarterback, so
he might be able to get the most out of
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Kyler Murray. But that would exist in Denver two. If
I had the choice between Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray,
who are you taking? What's that direction are you going?
And that's I'm glad he brought that up. I would
take Kyler Murray at this point. And you want to
know why I would take Kyler Murray at this point
instead of Russell Wilson. It's because of everything else outside
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of what Russell Wilson brings to you as as a player.
That would be my only that would be my only
reasoning for not I don't want to chance it. Me
and him might hit it off and it might work
out great, we might not hit it off. And I've
been around Sean Payton. He don't play that ass just
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so if they if they get off to a bad starter,
if something isn't right, Sean Payton ain't playing that game.
So and Russell Wilson probably isn't going to play that game.
So now you're gonna have a battle of odds, you know,
against UH a quarterback who is valuing himself in a
way that's probably higher than it's elevated more than just
a player. You know what what's amazing about Sean Payton
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And you hear this being talked about when it comes
to what's happening with Lincoln Riley and USC. So, Caleb
Williams is the favorite to win the Heisman. Now, whether
he actually wins the Heisman, who knows, but he's the
slight favorite right now to win the Heisman. And then
you go back to Oklahoma and you look at Baker
Mayfield and you look at Kyler Murray and you look
at what happened with Jalen Hurts and him basically taking
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Jalen Hurts from product of the system at Alabama to
this guy can actually play, and he's in the conversation
and now you see what Jalen Hurts has turned into,
and it's Lincoln Riley knows how to get the most
out of his cornerbacks. I don't think people give Sean
Payton enough credit for what he did, because Drew Brees
was not the Drew Brees he became before he got
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with Sean Payne. Let him go hey, and and he
had this issue and so then you see, like when
Drew Brees started getting banged up later in his career
been they went undefeated with Teddy Bridgewater, Like he got
Teddy Bridgewater paid, Like those five games got Teddy Bridgewater
another contract and another one after that. Taysom Hill, he
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figured out a way to Yeah, he figured out a
way to get Tasom Hill involved in the offense. Is
a quarterback slash tight end, special teams guy, whatever, But
Sean Payton has shown I can bring these guys to
another level. I think he's the perfect candidate for a
guy like Kyler Murray, if Kyler Murray's open to it exactly.
But the other part of this conversation where I'd agree
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with you on and it's amazing that we're even at
this point that we all agree Russell Wilson, who's got
a super Bowl and those other two quarterbacks don't, who's
already solidified as going to the Hall of Fame, when
we have no idea about the other two quarterbacks, and
has had significantly more success in the NFL than both
Kyler Murray and Justin Herbert, and we all agree he's
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last on the list. That is how bad this year
has gone for the Denver Broncos. Like the conversations about
Russell Wilson have completely turned in the opposite direction. We
were talking Denver's a super Bowl contender. Here they go again.
They landed John Elway when he didn't want to play
in Baltimore. They landed Peyton Manning when he was no
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longer playing like they're gonna land another Super Bowl Hall
of Fame quarterback and going to be off to the
races again to win another Super Bowl. And we're talking
about a one and done head coach. And we'd rather
have Kyler Murray than Russell Wilson. When it comes to
Sean Payton being able to pick and choose where he
wants to go. It's that is a crazy turn of
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events or Russell Wilson in less than a year. It
just goes to show you, like and I hate to
say it this way because it's gonna suck, but thank
you sir. It goes to show you that it doesn't
always go away. You would have thought it would have
gone like a Tom Brady like I think we got.
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I think we got kind of caught up and the
whole way Tom Brady left New England and went to
a team that was seemingly underachieving and was missing one element,
which was quarterback, the leadership and the talent and also
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a guy that didn't throw thirty interceptions. Yeah, that Tom
Brady brought to that team. But see, here's the thing.
If if Russell Wilson finds himself in the position where
he goes to Tampa Bay, does Tampa Bay have that
same season if another high profile uh you know free
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agent it We've seen it happened here in l A
with with with Stafford. He came here and he was
able to make it work with with a loaded Rams team.
What does that mean to the legacy of of Russell
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Wilson bad that he's the one that did what's what
Stafford and Brady did and it didn't work for him
and by and Denver. To your point, loaded roster, loaded
defense is balling. It's not even like they're the defense
isn't holding up there into the bargain. They're they're bawling,
you know, like their their defense is allowing like eighteen
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points a game like they're allowing in today's NFL. They're
allowing eighteen points a game. And they're this bad because
they get they get nothing on offense. They've got no
production on offense. And we can talk about his age
all we want, and we can talk about Nathaniel Hackett.
Russell Wilson's gonna wear this. That's why next year is
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a a big year for him, because if he comes
out and struggles again next year, good god man. The
conversations and the turn of events for Russell Wilson like
it's it's now we've completely gone in the other direction.
We were talking first ballot Hall of Famer. If he
goes and wins a second one with another team, and
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what are the Seahawks gonna look like? And what makes
it even worse than Seattle has gotten better, they've gotten
better without him. And the guy that that replaced Russell
Wilson in Seattle was a cast off. He was a
journeyman because nobody thought he would work out in New
York with the Jets, and he kind of bounced around
the league. And then here's Geno Smith having the best
season of his career with a lot of the same
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pieces that Russell Wilson had while he was in Seattle.
And you've got Russell Wilson crapping the bed in Denver.
And then you have the idea that for all the
things that he did well in Seattle. You have a
hit coach that just doesn't fool with you. You have
a head coach that looks at you, and every chance
he gets, he takes a shot at you. And former players,
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tamates and former teammates. That's just that's a bad look.
That's a bad look when you have your teammates talking
bad about you. I can sympathize with coaches because I
have coaches that I don't like, and I know they
don't like me. We don't like some of something that happens.
At times. I get that. But still, at times you
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can put aside your personal differences, especially if y'all had
two Super Bowl appearances and one that you won. That's
that's to me, that that there's a story that's there
that isn't even really being told or really being discussed.
But then you start to see this narrative develop about
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how you supposed to feel about Russell Wilson, and and
it's it's it is, it's it's quite interesting to think
that nobody would want to touch that, you know, touch
that situation, at least what we're us discussing it right now.
I wouldn't want to touch it. Yeah, because if you
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were to say it before the year, if you could
pick one of these quarterbacks to roll with, I would
have said Russ, probably before the season able to say
it Russ. And I may have said Russ just because
of what the potential of it was. But I just
felt as though the way he was talking and the
way he was handling things, and the way things ended
in Seattle, they I mean you, you allowed Russ to
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cook and they fell on their faces, like do we
do remember that? Right? They allowed Russ to have the games,
like throw the games like, okay, he nobody throws better
deep balls, nobody plays in the clutch better than danger
dangerous Russ. Okay, we get all of that, but they
weren't winning. They weren't winning. And now you go somewhere else,
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and that's the complaint. You need a new change of environment,
and you get out of there. You go to a
good team. Boom boom boom, they're ready made to win.
I would have sat there, and I would I actually
sit it. I'm not so sure that Russell Wilson goes
to Denver and has the type of success that he
had in Seattle. For various reasons. We actually discussed that
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say for those of you waking up on the East
Coast who might have gotten a little bit banged up
last night and you gotta wake up early because you
gotta prep all the food so everybody can stuff their
faces the entire day. I just want to say, I
commend you, because that's not easy to do, having a
wake up with with all that you got going on
(01:29):
last night, the parties, the family in town, the friends
you haven't seen for a while, and they have to
go through all of that to try and get this
meal ready for everybody. I commend those people. I'm not
one of them that ain't happening, but I would commend
those people who decided to go ahead and take part
and and and willing themselves across the finish line so
(01:51):
they can make sure everybody eats okay. And that might
also be part of the reason why some people pass
out early. You know, you get after a little bit,
you get up early to make these things you watch
in football, maybe there's a bad game or two, and
next thing you know, you're out by one o'clock, one
two o'clock in the afternoon, and that's a wrap. I
just gotta let everyone know there's no telling what may
come out of my mouth today with the words that
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I say, because I believe I am still recovering from
last evening and I don't know how long ago it
was that I came in from last evening to coming
here today this morning. I mean, I still feel a
little foggy, what just because I had one, maybe two drink?
But now that makes me an alcoholic, I don't think so. See.
(02:37):
Here's the thing, though, when you were playing in the NFL,
or when you were playing football growing up, like this
is a game week for most of the time, right,
so he couldn't really partake in some of the weekday
festivities that some people partook in that don't play football
or didn't play football at a high level all those years.
She's never really been a big drinker. I'm just good
at it, that's oh. I mean, listen, a lot of
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people you know are really good at stuff. They take
it as far as they can because they know it
pays the bills. But you know, it's not really their
first love. I didn't, it's not my first love. I
didn't want to, you know, push the limits of it.
I just had I think I had three or four
maybe five Long Island's last night, and man, people get
after it. The Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Hey, I'll tell you what, man,
that we were at a little local, uh, family owned restaurant.
(03:24):
Not three, yeah, not full? Yeah, not five I'm saying not.
Well maybe maybe maybe that's the truth. Maybe it was six.
I don't know because I still feel it. I do
know that I woke up this morning Joe's Joe Nits,
It's all good. That was between NAT's and Joe Nass.
(03:45):
So I thought there was a Z at the end
of said Joan Nass. Now after that, No, no, I'm
not gonna I was about to say something. I'm not
gonna do it. I'm not gonna do it anyway. Hey, Chris,
have the dump button ready? I just say that I haven't.
I have it ready. I'm ready to work out it right,
I'm ready to work. I'm just saying, with everything being said, everyone,
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I'm ready to work. Yeah. So we are fired up,
we're excited, and we are here all the way up
again for the next three hours on Fox Sports Trade.
You're gonna want to listen to this show. I'm just
telling you, like, this is one of those shows in particular,
like on your holiday, um chill mood, and like like
Jonas said, getting up from you know, the recovery of
last evening, or if you're still going and you're heading home,
(04:31):
you know you might be heading home or to the
diner or whatever it may be. You want to listen
to this show. They look our friends in Hawaii listening
on the Blowtorch of the Hawaiian Islands Fox Sports Night nineties.
It's one am out there. I mean there's there probably
a couple still going the bars. Yeah, why not. You
know they're having having a good time there. It's probably
like seventy eight degrees still at this time at night.
(04:53):
You know, the wind's blowing. They got palm trees around him,
They got a turkey to cook in a few hours,
and they say, screw it, we're gonna listen to Two
Pros and Cup of Jobs. I suggest that they turned
the music off and wherever it is that they're out
and turn this show on. Yeah. I mean, I think
it's going to be more entertaining to go with what
they're drinking at this point, um, rather than just listening
(05:16):
to music, Yeah, yeah, they should listen to our voices,
I totally agree. Um. Now that being said, yeah, probably
not the best Thanksgiving week for Zach Wilson Wison. I'll
be honest with you, I didn't think they were actually
going to bench him. I didn't think Robert Salo was
actually going to make the move. I know there had
been some speculation everything's on the table, but it felt
(05:38):
more like a threat, kind of a wake up call
that it was an actual benching. And not only is
Zach Wilson benched for this game against the Bears this week,
He's not even active. Mike White's getting the start, Joe
Flaccos the backup, and Zach Wilson is going to be
in street clothes watching this game take place. Now. Robert
Salo yesterday spoke about the decision. He spoke about his
(06:01):
reasoning behind the decision. Here is a little bit from
the head coach of the New York Jets. Zack's career
here is not over. I know that's going to be
the narrative. I know that what that's what everybody wants
to wants to shout out, and that's not even close
to the case. The intent, the full intent is to
make sure Zach gets gets back on the football field
at some point this year. The biggest thing with Zach,
and the same things that we've talked about, is the
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young man needs to reset. His decision making has been fine,
his practice, habits, all that stuff have been fine, but
there's some basic fundamental things that have gotten really out
of whack for him. Is it a small step back,
Absolutely for him. But do I think it's going to
be a great leap forward when it when he does
get a chance to reset himself. Absolutely. This is not
putting a nail in his coffin. This is not that.
It's not even close to that. So there it is.
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That was Robert. So that's a nail. Yeah. I mean,
I don't know if it's the nail in the coffin,
but it is a nail in the coffin, and he
is in the coffin. He did admit that it's not
the nail in the coffin, but he didn't say Zach
Wilson isn't in the Often sometimes you just gotta pay
attention to the little things, you know, the little details
(07:04):
connected to you know, things that people say because they're
telling you what you need to hear. You just gotta
be listening. To hair it. So what you're saying is
is Zach Wilson is and the coffin the nail just
isn't in it yet. Yeah, okay, I just wanted to
make sure we were clear list happy Thanksgiving. Uh you know,
I mean, if you're wondering how soon into the show
(07:26):
before we get a coffin reference, if you had the
under of nine minutes, congratulations, you're a big winner here
to start off your Thanksgiving holiday. But point being, I
guess I'm trying to reason with why the move is made,
and the only thing I can come up with is
maybe he thinks let him just sit back and watch,
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and maybe if he sits back and watches, he'll get
a better understanding as to what's going on. It's either
that or Zach Wilson really piste off some people on
that team. Now you're now, you're now, that's where you
need to live, because that's where you need to live.
Like because if he if he was, if it was
just about play, then to me, the move would be
(08:09):
all right. You know, have him be the backup, but
he's not going to start, So that way, if something happens,
you can bring him into the game and maybe he's
not thinking as much. He just goes in there and
he plays. But the fact that he's inactive tells me
he lost the team. This is as much of a
punishment as it is a detrit that that's not a play.
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It's not I would say, it's not a punishment. It
is a The team is bigger than any one player,
and he lost the team with the things that he said,
and the one thing in particular where he did not
take accountability for letting the team down. Let the team
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down with the way you played, you could have played better.
And let's just say for the sake of saying, even
if it were true that he wasn't the sole purpose
or the sole reason why that didn't happen. Take it anyway.
You take it anyway, because that's what leaders do. You
take the bullets. You know the pressure is coming your way.
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You take it like, yeah, I could have done better,
Brady Brady Quentin said it earlier this week, the exact
same thing. I heard Mark Sanchez say, the exact same thing.
Both those guys played in the Jets organization. Mark Sanchez
started a bunch of game for the Jets and said
something along the lines of that's part of the gig.
You gotta wear it. You gotta stand up there, and
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you gotta take accountability when your team struggles, and you've
got to own it. It's not the most it's not
the best part of the job, but it's part of
the job. The audio is damning enough, but when you
see the video of it and you see like the
blank look like almost like you can draw so many
(09:59):
different conclusions, but I think the one that if you're
a teammate, you draw a conclusion of dismissive, arrogant, uh, detached.
I think you draw you draw conclusions that are turn
off conclusions. He turned some people off, and it must
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have been enough of a turn off to a lot
of people that it turned. It made Robert sla have
to make a decision. Do I do I stay committed
to to uh Zack Wilson? You see what happened here?
Do I stay committed to Jack? Not a problem? Do
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you stay committed to Zack Wilson? I think you all.
I done hooked you up with. Oh you better have
your vest on? You better, you better have your vests. Oh,
I'm coming for you. I'm coming to get you a
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get you. I really believe Robert Sala had to do
what he did with Zach Wilson in order put to
you like this. There was a dilemma, and the dilemma
was do I write with Zack or do I put
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the team first? And whatever was said to the coach,
that was stated between the leaders of that team, the
players of that team to the coach, and what that
coach had to say back to those players, his actions
had to to to fit. Because the one thing that
I do know, and I've been him, I've been in
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a locker room that had many of coaches come through
it and many of quarterbacks come through it. The one
thing I do know the question Robert Salo had to
ask himself before he made this decision. Whatever whatever reasoning
he gave to the media, that's fine. The question he
(12:13):
had to ask and answer before he came out and
said this, and this is a hot take. Is Zach
Wilson worth me losing the locker room? Is Zach Wilson
as the quarterback of this team and me supporting him
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and pushing through this and kind of addressing it but
still continuing to move forward with Zach Wilson as my
starting quarterback? Is it worth me? Me, the head coach,
me being in a position where I am losing the
locker room, and I think we would all know what
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the answer is based upon what the decision has been
that has been made. And also Persolo made mention at
some point yesterday where look, the postgame comments didn't impact
my decision on this whatsoever. I call BS And here's why.
If Zach Wilson played the way that he played against
the Patriots and then Zach Wilson shows up at the
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postgame press conference and says I gotta be better, I
feel like, yes, I did let him down and I
need to be a better perform better. The defense put
us in a position to win, and I failed on
my end in order. Zach Wilson starting this week against
Savery's that's a fact. Like anybody that tries to dispute that,
you can look at all said he's made great decisions
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on the field. He said, this has nothing really to
do with his play. I think that's what he said,
and that what he said. Yeah, he's he's He's been
very complimentary at times to Zack Wilson, but like when
he says things like, well, the postgame comments had nothing
to do with it. Yes, it did. That's why the
conversation took the turn that it took, and that's why
you had players in that locker room and this was
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made public. And you won't find anybody that's disputing this
that we're piste off about the way he handled it,
that he was walking around the locker room like I mean,
what what what did I do? Or detached like you
gotta be able to read the room, especially if you're
you're supposed to be by default, the leader of at
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least one side of it. There's nothing worse than being
an a hole and not knowing it. All right, If
you're an a hole and you call yourself out and
say sorry, I'm a jeriic sometimes you know or and
you own up to it, that's one thing. But if
you walk around and you're aloof to the situation and
what's happening, and you've got an attitude that rubs people
the wrong way, especially in a game in which your
defense allowed three points, you lost on a special team's touchdown,
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it's the Patriots. If you lost fourteen straight games too,
if you want to, and when you talked about it
on Monday, if you're one of those players on defense,
you're fuming. Then you hear him say the things that
he said afterwards. I couldn't even and imagine that things. People. Look,
here's the thing about the Jets, and we can all
poke fun at the Jets. Their defense is legit. Man.
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You look at every statistical category. Their top ten in
the league, every statistical category. They're a top tier defense
in the league. The problem is at quarterback like this,
and so when he steps up, they he was I
think again, his yard seventy seven yards. His yard that
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game was horrible to put to put that into perspective,
was missing. He wasn't seeing receivers, he wasn't making the throws.
He was missing throws like Josh Allen, I think through
what a like he had a long touchdown pass. I
forget which game it was earlier this season. To Gabe Davis,
Josh Allen on one pass play had almost twenty more
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yards than Zack Wilson had in an entire game against
the Patriots on Sundays Like he just so when when
when that is? And the cherry on top of that
is I didn't do anything wrong. It's it's a problem,
and that's why we're here. So, uh, you didn't do
anything wrong, did you? Did you happen to look at
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the stats from the game. It's just mr, Mr Zach Wilson.
Can I just read you off one statistical category that
was associated with you in this game? Please? Yeah? It's uh,
what do you mean you didn't know? What do you mean? No,
it's not you, It was you. Yeah. It is so
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not a not a good situation. But the Jets are
moving forward. Zach Wilson again will be in street clothes.
Mike White your starter, Joe Flacco's your backup. They take
on the Bears this coming weekend. Be sure to catch
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Radio and the I Heart Radio. The Chicago Bears have
a have a quarterback in Justin Fields. He's the best
player in their team. He's a borderline star in the
league the way that he's played the past several weeks.
But he's got a little bit of an issue. He's
got the shoulder that's a little ding dub. He got
slammed on the sideline. Yeah, one minute, it's a dislocated shoulder,
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the next minute it's a separation. The next minute there
ligament center torn, etcetera, etcetera. We can't really get a
clear answer, but Justin Fields might still possibly play this
weekend against the New York Jets and Mike White, not
Zack Wilson. And so here was the Bears quarterback yesterday
updating everybody on how he feels and where he stands
when it comes to playing this weekend. I played pretty much,
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you know, for those guys in the locker room. I
see how much work they put in each and every day. Yeah,
just you know, having them as my teammates, having the
leaders that we do have on the scene, you'll be
there for everybody in the lead like they do. It's
a I think it's a big example of you know
how our team is, how we're built, and you know
what our culture is. If you're the Bears, do you
play Justin Fields this weekend against that defense. I don't
know the complexities of his his injury. I would say
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if I'm in the building and our medical staff is
looking at his ability to to play and they feel
okay about it, if he can go, then yes, you
play him. You don't hold him, you don't hold him out,
You play him, you know, because of all the reasons
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he just stayed in his interview. Everybody's working there trying
to find their way. They're competitive, They're not where they
need to be, but they're they're pretty competitive. So if
if Justin Fields can go and your medical staff fields
as though it's you know, it's it's it's an injury
that it's tolerable, or it's not an injury where he
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can make it worse on himself, then yeah, you you go.
So he said, I've heard Justin Field say that it
does hurt a lot when he tries to throw the ball.
And look, they got a few days or a couple
of days, not a few days before they make a
decision as to whether or not he'll go against the Jets.
My thought on it is they can't protect him with
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that offensive line and the way that they've played, especially
last week, and they made the Falcons look like they
were the eight five Bears. I mean, they were getting
after him and he was he was scrambling and you
could tell there was a concerted effort by him to
really make plays with his arm to where there were
opportunities and where maybe he could have pulled it down
and run a little bit, but he wanted to try
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and make plays with his arms, and he did a
couple of times. But you know, they lose the game.
He gets banged up, he throws that interception. Now you
find out after the fact that he was legitimately hurt
and dealing with a real injury while he was trying
to make a play at the end of that game.
I just wonder, if you're the organization you've identified, Okay,
he's our quarterback of the future, We're not really going
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anywhere this year. You're not going anywhere. I just like,
do you do you play it safe? Especially, and we
talked about it. The one thing you can say about
the Jets, their defense is legit again, top ten in
almost every statistical category as far as defense goes. They're
gonna get after him. Quinnin Williams is going to have
a field day against this offensive line. If I'm the Bears,
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I sit him, Like, why why take the chance? He's
clearly not anywhere close to I would sit him. I'd
put Trevor Simeon in and then just have a battle.
The backup quarterbacks that met life this weekend. That would
be the straight Arizona and uh and the Rams did
that not too long ago. That was a fun game.
It's possible it really wasn't. Uh, you were there right
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that one. Um, it's nice stadium that. Uh. I'm not
opposed to that. I'm not. I'm not a ows to
that reasoning because Justin Fields is the most valuable player
on that team. He is your most valuable commodity, your
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most valuable asset on the team, best player on that team.
I'm not opposed to that. I'm so let me ask
you this. Does it go? Obviously we heard the stories
that after the game against the Falcons, Justin Fields went
up to the defense and said, we didn't do our job,
we didn't do enough. Interesting, okay, and so yeah, and
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you know, it's very it's funny how that came out
the same week and pretty much the day after this
stuff was Zach Wilson not owning up to what was
happening with the locker room and his performance and the
defenders and his responsibility for the lost. But when you
look at the situation in Chicago with Justin Fields and
you see him come up to the defense and say
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that if he comes out this week and does get
it out and play and God forbid they win, that's
got to take him to an their level in that
locker room, right to where you already had respect for him.
If he if he's dealing with this and he's your
quarterback and comes out and plays and say, God forbid
they win this game on the road, that solidifies him
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as the guy in that locker room correct Like, and
I think he's already solidified himself. I think it further
goes towards that the conversation we were having about Detroit
and what Campbell was bringing to to the locker room.
If you have a if you have a a QB.
That shows that type of grit, that that type of
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of commitment to his teammates, into the team. It makes
him a fan favorite, more of a fan favorite, but
it also makes him, uh a guy that is in
a lot of ways you want to get behind that
that sympathetic figure, but not as a weak sympathetic figure.
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A sympathetic figure where it's like, man, we're the reason
why he's hurt, Like he's scrambling around, like he's still
out here fighting tooth and nail for us to be
able to make plays, we've got to do better. Varsity Blues. Oh,
Billy Bob cried, well, crommea river, you fat baby, my
quarterbacks tracking his leg because he you that was Varsity
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Blues and that was Billy Bob and he was concussed.
The rest in peace to Billy Bob. By the way,
he did have pass. The actor who played Billy Bob
been a while, right, yeah, a couple of years at least,
it's been a while. But point being, justin fields, all right,
you're gonna win over that locker room. And so potentially
goes out there and plays. Yeah he gave him back up.
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Yeah that's nasty. Well, here's the thing again, justin fields
playing and if he plays well, it just sets the
stage for possibly what this team can be. How we
view justin fields because Chicago isn't good enough to view
them outside of individual players, like you know, Briskers having
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an amazing rookie campaign. You can look at some some
of the guys in that secondary, you know, the other
safety having a good, good, you know campaign, rookie campaign.
You can't look at this team and say, you know, collectively,
this is a team that's going in the right direction
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right now. So you gotta find the singular winds that
are connected to this outfit, and Justin Fields has been
just that. By the way, on Jquan Jaquan Brisker, the
Bear safety second round pick, who has been and you
talked about it when they drafted him. The Bears got
a guy that's that's a great pick. So he's been
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really good as rookie season there for the Bears, starting
a safety um. He went on concussion protocol. Oh wow,
into concussion protocol yesterday. The problem is he finished the
game on Sunday, so they called him out of the
game multiple times. He was allowed to go back into
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the game multiple times on Sunday, and then all of
a sudden, Wednesday, he pops up in concussion protocol. I
don't know about you. I don't recall the Bears playing
a game between Sunday and Wednesday. Maybe I must have
missed something. Maybe they did play game. And last I
checked NFL practices. You're not clanging and banging and doing
bulling the ring at these practices anymore. So it's a
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little it's a little odd how now he's in concussion protocol.
But he was okay to finish the game. So I
would say that this whole we need to fix, the
concussion evaluation issue in the NFL probably isn't all the
way fixed. Would you agree? Maybe that's the just such
a heart that's a heart category. It's a hard one
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to do because everyone reacts differently and certain things symptoms
are different as it applies too concussions, And that's to me,
that is that is why it is such a difficult
topic to broach at times because people react differently. He
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might have passed the protocol testing to allow him to
go back into the game. He might have had a
late onset to the concussion that he sustained, the hit
injury that he sustained. So it's just very difficult to say, okay. Well,
definitively speaking, the Bears should have handled how they did
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things with him better. I mean, after the fact, it
makes it makes sense if he's in concussion protocol now.
And also, look every we can sit here and you
can you know, fire whatever independent medical staff assistant there
was on the Dolphins because of the test situation, and
you can you can get on the doctors and the
teams and they need to be held accountable. Bro, if
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the players tell you something that passes the test because
they want to get in the game, what are you
supposed to do as bad as to his injury looked
as bad as his injury looked if he passed concussion
protocols to be able to go back in. It's just
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it's again, it's a difficult topic. It's like, like, think
of it this way, right, they don't even do concussion
protocol in boxing or in the m m A. They
give you an eight count, right, like your eight count
is are you concussing or are you able to continue
towards me? Can you hold your hands up? Are you
are you coherent? Can you defend yourself? Can you fight?
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And then you continue to fight if a doctor gets involved.
The doctor gets involved, they stopped to fight boom. But
if you think about it, you can see some pretty
brutal knockdowns take place in boxing. So to give you,
just to give you kind of an example or a
now I did to say, okay, like, well, LaVar, did
you see the way that to it looked when he
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got up and how he stumbled around and this and
that and he shook his head like yeah, I did,
and there can be times where you can actually injure
yourself that way, or hit yourself that way, or get
hit that way, and you shake it off and you're
not concussed. As bad as it may look, you may
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not be concussed. So it's not for it's not for
onlookers to say I saw it. That's exactly what it is.
That's why I was posting on my social media. By
the way, go to King of the Mammals at King
of Mammals on I G. If you see some stuff
that that I do, that's mammals, that's King of the Mammals.
By the way, if you type my name in it
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pops up. But I posted the whole thing on Kelsey
hitting his head off of the ground and he probably
might have been concussed. It might have been concussed. Didn't
miss not note that. I I mean he went off and
play well afterwards, and nobody said anything about it. Well,
it's nothing never surfaced about it, nothing ever was said
about it. It happens. These head injuries happen all the time.
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There's a frequency of people hitting their heads. So if
you're going to jump on one small component or one
small it wasn't small because I mean, he clearly looked
messed up. But if you're going to jump on that,
you got to start looking at all of it. Symptoms
and body language. I think people have blurred the lines.
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Here's an example, like people that fail a sobriety test.
Have you ever tried to do one of those sobriety
perfectly sober and still fell a sobriety like like I'll
be lean your head back and touch your nose. Most
get there. Most officers to tell you if they pull
you out a car to do the sobriety test, you're
going to jail. They've already determined that they feel like
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you're you're intoxicated. So it's really just a formality for
for one reason. But you're already going to jail. So
if look, you could you could have this stank leg,
you know, after getting hit, it doesn't automatically mean you
got a concussion. And so that's one of the part
portions of this where the Bears are getting a little
bit of heat because it's like, well Brisker went back
into the game, why you know, and there's all that stuff,
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So he's questionable for this game coming up, so is
justin fields will see how that plays out. Be sure
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is a new rumor. Now, a new rumor in the NFL.
This is a fun one. Oh so apparently the scuttle
bug or but whatever they want to call it is
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it scuttle butt and it's like a Qatar or Cutter.
I can't really get a clear answer, but ESPN is
reporting that Sean Payton the two jobs that he's keeping
an eye on as far as coming back to the
NFL to coach are the Chargers and the Cardinals. Those
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are the two that he's identified. Now, this no confirmation
on this. This is just according to ESPN. Obviously, with
the Chargers you've got Brandon Staley, who's there. With Arizona,
you've got Cliff Kingsbury. But there has been some rumblings
that there could be a potential change at coach in
either one or both of those organizations. And Sean Payton
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is the guy out there obviously who can kind of
pick and choose where he wants to go. So if
I'm gonna throw another one out there, the Denver Broncos
Nathaniel Hackett, I think everybody acknowledges this looks like it's
going to be a one and done. If you're Sean
Payton and you've got a choice between the Chargers, the
Cardinals and the Broncos, just put them in the proper order.
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So you go Chargers, and what's it? What is it?
Just the quarterback? What's do you have? A roster. Now
I would need to to understand where the contracts are
and how how much time some of the players have,
who's coming back, who isn't. But as it stands, if
I'm looking at it at face value in terms of
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amount of talent, and what team is best suited to
win immediately the most and and which which team has
the best quarterback that can give me a sustained level
of success, it's it's the Chargers. You got a great stadium,
you got a great market. I mean it's not better
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than Denver's market in terms of for football, but it's
it's a great market. Nonetheless, it's a great media market,
and you can further solidify what you want to do
once you're done playing the game or coaching the game,
right like, you could go right back into broadcasting. So
there's no big deal there. You're you're making yourself more
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valuable and valued in this this market. So I think
the Chargers would be certainly, uh the easy easy pick here,
Arizona would be would be pretty nice. They have some
nice pieces in place in Arizona. But I've gone from
being a fan of thinking that Kyler Murray is going
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to be a guy that that really really um gets
to a place of of this team achieving at a
high level. But I'm I'm kind of cooling off on
that there's something going on. I'm I'm telling you there's
something going on. And I brought it up and just said,
it feels awkward. It feels odd that Kyler Cliff thing.
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And maybe if Cliff kings Kingsbury is no longer the
head coach there, maybe that's that's really what the issue is.
But it does feel like Kyler Murray's rubbed some people
the wrong way on that rock, and maybe some people
have rubbed him the wrong way, and maybe there's just
been bad rubbing going on. And you know, you can
never get great results when you have bad rubbing coming
from both sides. It's got to be positive rubs. Great point.
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That's why we read about Gillette like, you can't be disrespectful.
It's got to be gentle. You's got to be thoughtful.
It is not abrasive, not painful. Now, can I disagree
with you on something, all right? But I agree or disagree,
But I think we both agree on something, and that's
even a bigger conversation. I actually think the Cardinals, I
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would put that him as a better spot than the
l A Chargers. Not that I like Kyler Murray more
than Justin Herbert, because I don't. But I think if
you're looking at path to a super Bowl, I think
the NFC West is a much easier path to a
super Bowl with that roster then the Chargers in the
a f C West argument because you're gonna have to
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deal with Mahomes and we've already seen, Oh you lose
maybe the best wide receiver in the NFL doesn't matter
minute fifteen. It takes us to go seventy yards in
a game winning drive at the Chargers um and but
it then you can get by Kansas City. Then what
else is left? Oh that's the thing. And I like
Justin Herbert more than I like Kyler Murray. It's I
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just look at it and I go, if if Kyler
Murray is not the problem and it's Cliff Kingsbury, there's,
to your point, a lot to like on that Arizona rosters.
I mean, there's there's there's talent there. That's why they're
so frustrated. That's why it's irritating to watch them plays
on what Payton knows how to coach short quarterback, so
he might be able to get the most out of
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Kyler Murray. But that would exist in Denver two. If
I had the choice between Russell Wilson and Kyler Murray,
who are you taking? What's that direction are you going?
And that's I'm glad he brought that up. I would
take Kyler Murray at this point. And you want to
know why I would take Kyler Murray at this point
instead of Russell Wilson. It's because of everything else outside
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of what Russell Wilson brings to you as as a player.
That would be my only that would be my only
reasoning for not I don't want to chance it. Me
and him might hit it off and it might work
out great, we might not hit it off. And I've
been around Sean Payton. He don't play that ass just
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so if they if they get off to a bad starter,
if something isn't right, Sean Payton ain't playing that game.
So and Russell Wilson probably isn't going to play that game.
So now you're gonna have a battle of odds, you know,
against UH a quarterback who is valuing himself in a
way that's probably higher than it's elevated more than just
a player. You know what what's amazing about Sean Payton
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And you hear this being talked about when it comes
to what's happening with Lincoln Riley and USC. So, Caleb
Williams is the favorite to win the Heisman. Now, whether
he actually wins the Heisman, who knows, but he's the
slight favorite right now to win the Heisman. And then
you go back to Oklahoma and you look at Baker
Mayfield and you look at Kyler Murray and you look
at what happened with Jalen Hurts and him basically taking
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Jalen Hurts from product of the system at Alabama to
this guy can actually play, and he's in the conversation
and now you see what Jalen Hurts has turned into,
and it's Lincoln Riley knows how to get the most
out of his cornerbacks. I don't think people give Sean
Payton enough credit for what he did, because Drew Brees
was not the Drew Brees he became before he got
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with Sean Payne. Let him go hey, and and he
had this issue and so then you see, like when
Drew Brees started getting banged up later in his career
been they went undefeated with Teddy Bridgewater, Like he got
Teddy Bridgewater paid, Like those five games got Teddy Bridgewater
another contract and another one after that. Taysom Hill, he
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figured out a way to Yeah, he figured out a
way to get Tasom Hill involved in the offense. Is
a quarterback slash tight end, special teams guy, whatever, But
Sean Payton has shown I can bring these guys to
another level. I think he's the perfect candidate for a
guy like Kyler Murray, if Kyler Murray's open to it exactly.
But the other part of this conversation where I'd agree
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with you on and it's amazing that we're even at
this point that we all agree Russell Wilson, who's got
a super Bowl and those other two quarterbacks don't, who's
already solidified as going to the Hall of Fame, when
we have no idea about the other two quarterbacks, and
has had significantly more success in the NFL than both
Kyler Murray and Justin Herbert, and we all agree he's
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last on the list. That is how bad this year
has gone for the Denver Broncos. Like the conversations about
Russell Wilson have completely turned in the opposite direction. We
were talking Denver's a super Bowl contender. Here they go again.
They landed John Elway when he didn't want to play
in Baltimore. They landed Peyton Manning when he was no
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longer playing like they're gonna land another Super Bowl Hall
of Fame quarterback and going to be off to the
races again to win another Super Bowl. And we're talking
about a one and done head coach. And we'd rather
have Kyler Murray than Russell Wilson. When it comes to
Sean Payton being able to pick and choose where he
wants to go. It's that is a crazy turn of
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events or Russell Wilson in less than a year. It
just goes to show you, like and I hate to
say it this way because it's gonna suck, but thank
you sir. It goes to show you that it doesn't
always go away. You would have thought it would have
gone like a Tom Brady like I think we got.
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I think we got kind of caught up and the
whole way Tom Brady left New England and went to
a team that was seemingly underachieving and was missing one element,
which was quarterback, the leadership and the talent and also
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a guy that didn't throw thirty interceptions. Yeah, that Tom
Brady brought to that team. But see, here's the thing.
If if Russell Wilson finds himself in the position where
he goes to Tampa Bay, does Tampa Bay have that
same season if another high profile uh you know free
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agent it We've seen it happened here in l A
with with with Stafford. He came here and he was
able to make it work with with a loaded Rams team.
What does that mean to the legacy of of Russell
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Wilson bad that he's the one that did what's what
Stafford and Brady did and it didn't work for him
and by and Denver. To your point, loaded roster, loaded
defense is balling. It's not even like they're the defense
isn't holding up there into the bargain. They're they're bawling,
you know, like their their defense is allowing like eighteen
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points a game like they're allowing in today's NFL. They're
allowing eighteen points a game. And they're this bad because
they get they get nothing on offense. They've got no
production on offense. And we can talk about his age
all we want, and we can talk about Nathaniel Hackett.
Russell Wilson's gonna wear this. That's why next year is
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a a big year for him, because if he comes
out and struggles again next year, good god man. The
conversations and the turn of events for Russell Wilson like
it's it's now we've completely gone in the other direction.
We were talking first ballot Hall of Famer. If he
goes and wins a second one with another team, and
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what are the Seahawks gonna look like? And what makes
it even worse than Seattle has gotten better, they've gotten
better without him. And the guy that that replaced Russell
Wilson in Seattle was a cast off. He was a
journeyman because nobody thought he would work out in New
York with the Jets, and he kind of bounced around
the league. And then here's Geno Smith having the best
season of his career with a lot of the same
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pieces that Russell Wilson had while he was in Seattle.
And you've got Russell Wilson crapping the bed in Denver.
And then you have the idea that for all the
things that he did well in Seattle. You have a
hit coach that just doesn't fool with you. You have
a head coach that looks at you, and every chance
he gets, he takes a shot at you. And former players,
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tamates and former teammates. That's just that's a bad look.
That's a bad look when you have your teammates talking
bad about you. I can sympathize with coaches because I
have coaches that I don't like, and I know they
don't like me. We don't like some of something that happens.
At times. I get that. But still, at times you
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can put aside your personal differences, especially if y'all had
two Super Bowl appearances and one that you won. That's
that's to me, that that there's a story that's there
that isn't even really being told or really being discussed.
But then you start to see this narrative develop about
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how you supposed to feel about Russell Wilson, and and
it's it's it is, it's it's quite interesting to think
that nobody would want to touch that, you know, touch
that situation, at least what we're us discussing it right now.
I wouldn't want to touch it. Yeah, because if you
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were to say it before the year, if you could
pick one of these quarterbacks to roll with, I would
have said Russ, probably before the season able to say
it Russ. And I may have said Russ just because
of what the potential of it was. But I just
felt as though the way he was talking and the
way he was handling things, and the way things ended
in Seattle, they I mean you, you allowed Russ to
(44:34):
cook and they fell on their faces, like do we
do remember that? Right? They allowed Russ to have the games,
like throw the games like, okay, he nobody throws better
deep balls, nobody plays in the clutch better than danger
dangerous Russ. Okay, we get all of that, but they
weren't winning. They weren't winning. And now you go somewhere else,
(44:57):
and that's the complaint. You need a new change of environment,
and you get out of there. You go to a
good team. Boom boom boom, they're ready made to win.
I would have sat there, and I would I actually
sit it. I'm not so sure that Russell Wilson goes
to Denver and has the type of success that he
had in Seattle. For various reasons. We actually discussed that
(45:20):
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