November 25, 2022 • 47 mins
Brian Noe and Jason Martin are in for the guys and recap all of the NFL Thanksgiving action. Jason and Brian dive into the Jets benching Zach Wilson, and Jason shares some eye-opening stats for the second year QB, which are comparable to JaMarcus Russell. The guys and react live to Iran’s stunning victory over Wales in the World Cup. Jason and Brian dive into the College Football Playoff scenarios, and discuss what teams have the best shot to make the final four. Plus, Brian and Jason discuss how far Russell Wilson has fallen off this season. The guys dive into how awkward Russ’ departure from the Seahawks was, and how wild it was to see his defense turn on him so quickly. With Russ’s struggles, Brian and Jason fell that Pete Carroll is looking like a genius.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Joe mis Knocks
on radio. Oh, good morning everybody. I hope you're enjoying
your post Thanksgiving activities over here. Happy Black Friday. Hope
everything's going well. Man. We've got a lot of ball
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left on the menu today and throughout the weekend. Very
excited to talk some ball and beyond with you. I'm
probably though Jason Martin with me. Jason, I hope your
Thanksgiving was great. Everything good in your world? Yeah, I
can't complain. Good to be with you this morning. Uh.
I watched a heck of a lot of sports. I
ended up watching more college basketball last night than I
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thought I was going to, on top of an NFL
game that was pretty dug on entertaining. Actually, yeah, I
liked Uh. I like the slate of NFL games. You know,
if if you uh, you know, indulge in a little
bit of gambling. The The Dallas game was well in
hand at the end until it wasn't so a nasty
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back door cover with Brett Maher missing the kick and
then the Giant scoring a touchdown at the end, but
good stuff throughout the uh, throughout the day. In the evening,
I thought the nightcap is really interesting with the Vikings winning.
I think a little glass half full, glass half empty
with the Vikings where you look at them, the record
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is really nice, man, you uh, you glanced down there
and see them at nine and two while the Packers
are four and seven, like, that's beautiful. But if you
look at the win, yeah you want against the feisty Patriots,
that's great. Improved the nine and two, But glass half empty.
He needed a ninety seven yard kickoff return for a touchdown.
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Can't count on that consistently, Patriots. They had running into
the punter or a kicker I guess, and that kept
the drive alive. There was a big call when it
was a tie game and mac Jones. Mac Jones through
for three d eighty two arts in two touchdowns. So
it's just one of those seasons for the Vikings where
things are going their way more times than not. They
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improved a nine and two. It's crazy how it works
out like that. Sometimes. Yeah, that's true. I mean, they
definitely had to have some things go right for them,
but sometimes you do. And anytime Kirk Cousins get to
win in prime time. You probably need to take note
of that in positive direction for your football team because
it's happened so infrequently throughout his career. And look, the
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Pats defense has been. That's one thing you can't knock
Belichick for. Like, I didn't know what they were gonna
be this year. I certainly thought they were going to
be a bad football team. Right now they're above five,
but their defense has been pretty solid. And after getting
curb stomped basically by the Cowboys on Sunday, the Vikings
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needed an offensive showcase against a decent two good defense,
and I think you at least got that. You will
saw the kind of flashes you needed to and you
saw the chemistry from your quarterback in the best wide
re stiver in football, justin Jefferson, and that that game
easily could have gotten away from you because the Patriots
were ready to play and ready to win, end up
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not winning the game. But to your other point, I mean, yeah,
the the middle game, it got interesting late, but I
think we live in a universe where it's better where
the Detroit Lions are pretty good compared to their own standards,
because that game would have been a laugh for two
years ago against the Bills, and this one was not.
This one was one team had Josh Allen and Stefon
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Diggs and twenty five seconds and that was enough to
get them in position to kick that game winning field goal.
But that was a wildly entertaining football game as well.
A lot of times the Thanksgiving Slate doesn't give us
all that much to talk about. This time, maybe it
gives us almost too much because you get something out
of everything that we saw. Yeah, kind of interesting because
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you look at Dan Campbell, the line ins head coach,
and there were there were suggestions, there was talk just
about a month ago of is he gonna be fired?
I know he's the star of hard Knocks and and
we love that guy and the tone that he sets.
But you gotta win games. And they were a one
in six football team, but they rattled off three straight
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wins right at the ship. That was certainly not even
close to an embarrassing performance yesterday against the Bills. You're right,
the Lions have improved. You can see it. You can
absolutely see the improvement. And for it to be a
field goal game at the end, you can't hang hang
your head on that. Like no one's gonna be upset
with that effort. Uh. They've played pretty well, especially as
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of late, but yeah, you gotta give Josh Allen some credit.
Josh Allen, the Bills quarterback, has had some hideous turnovers
a few weeks leading up to this game. He was
turnover free last week against the Browns. Turnover free again
and that same stadium. It's kind of odd playing in
Detroit again. Thinks to the snow and Buffalo, but that
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frozen rope just to find Diggs at the end of
the game. That's a fifty yard pass on a frozen
rope and Tyler Bass squeaks in the forty five yard
game winning field goal. Von Miller carted off the field though.
That is very scary stuff. Ian Rappaport he tweeted out
the initial diagnosis for von Miller is a knee brain
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No one has ruled out a more serious injury, but
there is some hope. He's gonna have an m r
I today and other tests to confirm. So you hold
your breath and hope von Miller is healthy, because man,
you could tell a huge difference once he went out
of the game yesterday. Yeah, he sets a tone and
he sets an energy and an attitude. We've seen it
throughout his career as a Denver Broncos fan. I saw
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it for a very very long time. But you saw
as soon as he went to the Rams there was
a certain nastiness. There was a certain uh moxie about
that defense that guess what doesn't exist now like Aaron Donald,
Jalen Ramsey. Notwithstanding, those guys are always studs, but he's
a tone setter, is von Miller, and it was the
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same thing. He goes to your team, your team instantly
becomes a championship contender on that side of the football
at the very least. So him going out that's something
from a Bills fan. I know they're optimistic that it's
not serious inside that building. We're gonna find out for sure,
but watching that guy get carded off, that's gonna make
my heart skip a beat. But your comment about the
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past from Alan two Diggs, I think it's more impressive
because it wasn't surprising. It's exactly what I thought they
were gonna do. I looked at it said, is that
enough time? Yeah? With these guys. Yeah, actually it is.
It's same thing I thought on Sunday night in the
Chiefs Chargers game, where I knew exactly what was gonna happen.
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When the Chiefs got the football back with a minute
forty said, that's an eternity for Patrick Mahomes. And it
turned out to be exactly that. We live in a
universe where and there's not many of them in the league,
but we live in a world where the Lions are good,
but also where there are a few quarterbacks where if
you give them any time at all, they're going to
beat you and it's not gonna be surprising, which doesn't
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make it any less amazing. And that's what you saw
Alan when he had to make a play, had to
make a throw, he was able to make a throw,
and he had his guy. He had Stefon Diggs was
the one thing that you noticed about all three games
last night. The team with the stud wide receiver went
three and oh Cetee Lamb Stefen Diggs. Justin Jefferson, your
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team came out with the W last night. Yeah, it's
an interesting point. I remember it wasn't that long ago
there was a thought in the NFL. A lot of
GM subscribe to it. I remember what Ray Farmer was
the GM of the Cleveland Browns, and he was saying, hey,
when's the last time a Super Bowl winning team had
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an elite wide receiver? And so the thought was, you
don't really need one of those guys not in today's NFL.
I certainly didn't agree with it at that time, but now,
oh my gosh, you definitely have to have that. You
just see the effect. Look at the Packers for crying
out loud. The ripple effect of not having Davante Adams
is absolutely huge. That's a good point. I also think,
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man with Josh Allen, I'm with you in terms of
it wasn't surprising that he came through at the end,
but it's also not surprising if he does the opposite.
He's had a couple of really shaky decisions as of late,
so to see him sort of right the ship and
to come up big in crunch time, that's a huge
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deal for the Bills obviously. And then also watching that game,
Tony Romo he was pointing it out like Josh Allen's
just gutting through an injury. He's absolutely affected by the
elbow injury. That shouldn't affect your decision making, though you know,
I don't care what's going on with the elbow, like
you just can't make the wrong read or the wrong
decision at a key moment. And he had a couple
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of games uh earlier this month, so for him to
come up big was a big deal. I also think
it reminds me of I went to a game this
is years ago. It was the Bears at the Cowboys.
I made it to a T and T stadium, long
time ago, and Jay Cutler, I'll never forget Jason. Before
the game. No one disputed Jay Cutler's arm talent. Before
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the game, the dude was just warming up and I
was just like, holy hell, he was throwing forty five
yard passes just on a frozen rope, just like I'm
kind of warming up over here, you know, just get
the gun ready. It was crazy. There are a lot
of quarterbacks in the NFL that don't have that type
of arm talent, and when you look at Josh Allen
in today's NFL, there are many quarterbacks that have that
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type of arm talent Mahomes does. That is a short
short list what Josh Allen can do with football. Yeah,
and your your other comment there about not being surprised
if you'd done the opposite. There's something to that. Um,
Josh Allen has the arm that you just described and
knows it, and I think sometimes it's hard to reel
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yourself in from thinking you can make every play. Elway
had that issue at times. Um, You've seen guys through
the years that throw balls like that, they can do everything.
They are gunslinger types like Brett Farve. There's a little
bit of that in Josh Allen. Like at times, you're
gonna need somebody to reel you in, whether that's Dorsey
or whether it was stable in the past, just to
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be like, hey, we can we can get this done.
You don't have to do this every single play. But
it's hard to tell that guy because you know he's
capable of it. In this case, it was a perfect route.
Maybe the best hands in the league in Stefon Diggs
and past that, you've got a guy that just put
the ball exactly where it had to be and all
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it took was one that got them in the field
goal position. And they're an eight and three football team
as a results. A big difference between being eight and
three and seven and four in this year's a f
C where you've got a lot of teams that could
make noise, and you've got a lot of teams that
are jockeying for position at the same time. It was
an important win for Buffalo because they need to continue
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to set the pace outside of Kansas City right now,
and as a completed unit, you would feel better about
the Bills. I still think you feel better about their
defense than you do Kansas Cities, even with the injuries
that they sustained. But this was an important one to
continue to roll things right. Eight and three is a
nice record to have eleven weeks in. Yeah, not bad
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a f C to NFC. You look at the NFC
with the Cowboys winning and how crazy crazy this season is.
Think about before Week one what most people said was, well,
we know Tampa is gonna be good, we know Green
Bay is gonna be good, and we know the defending
Super Bowl champion Rams are gonna be good. Outside of that,
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all bets are off, and that has not been the
case whatsoever. You've got Tampa winning back to back games
to get to five hundred, You've got the Rams are
three and seven, They're in shambles. The Packers are a
disaster at four and seven. And meanwhile, a team like
the Cowboys yesterday, the Cowboys are good at anybody else
in the NFC. I wouldn't be shocked at all if
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the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl this season. No,
I wouldn't either, And before the season, you definitely wouldn't
have gotten me there. I was. I was, I was
very down on them. I'm still I'm gonna need to
see Mike McCarthy in the playoffs. But right now you'd
much rather be a Cowboys fan than some of these
other teams. The Rams are not going to make the playoffs.
The Packers are not going to make the playoffs. The
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Bucks are gonna need to win their division. I think
they're probably gonna gonna find their way in if for
no other reason. The rest of the division is terrible.
But I think one of the other things that's been
kind of stunning this year is there is not a
team in the NFC East that's bad, like, not one
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of them. Washington with Heineke doing good things yesterday, you
still saw a lot of good Daniel Jones in that game.
I don't think the Giants are any kind of juggernaut.
There definitely a much better football team than they've been
in years past. The Eagles, even though they had to
escape kind of a it's kind of an ugly performance
on Sunday against Indianapolis. And then as we're talking about
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with the Cowboys, the NFC East has turned out to
be one of the better divisions in the league. Now
it's a weaker conference, but those teams are all better
maybe then we thought going in. I think you can
make the argument all four of them have outperformed what
we thought they would do this year. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh.
It's funny because before the season started, I'm like, something
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weird is obviously going to happen, and I just couldn't
figure out what it was going to be. And there
are a lot of weird things that have but that's
one of them. If you would have told me before
the season that the Giants would have three more wins
than the Packers right now, I would have thought Aaron
Rodgers missed the entire season. He's been there every step
of the way. You could you believe that the Giants
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have three more wins than the Packers heading into Week twelve?
You know, like that's just that blows me away right there.
That's why. Yeah, yeah, you're right, And I mean we
could spend three hours. We won't, thankfully, but we could
spend three hours just discussing the Packers and the situation
there and what's going to happen. And if you're a
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team like the Jets, are you thinking maybe Aaron Rodgers
would come here to finish up his career and maybe
Green Bay is gonna be fine with that after this season?
And then of course you've got the backup quarterback, Jordan's Love,
who I think we all know is not the guy.
So does he at some point get an opportunity, especially
now that Aaron Dgers this revealed. He's got the hand issue,
he's got other things going on, and the biggest thing
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that he's got going on is just not a very
good football team, A team that I wouldn't say they've quit,
they're just not good enough. The defense has not been
as advertised, but the offense has been an unmitigated disaster
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s R to listen live. Oh boy, we got sports
happing him right now. Iran It looks like they're about
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The telephone number eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox
that translates six six three six nine man and now
Iron scored again. Just to add to it, this thing
was eight minutes into stoppage time of the nine that
we thought we were going to get Wales with ten
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players out there, and it makes a difference. So Wales
is going to lose here and Group B two to
the two nil and this is not I mean, it
looked like this thing was going to go a little
bit further. And boy it comes to an end, real
real fast here and Iran. What a story from them
and just the bravery that they've had to show as
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a team with some of the things that they have
tried to do um in a country where look the
difference between situations. Brian is Iran. These players can go
back and be executed by their government and they're still
kind of standing up for things that they believe in
terms of human rights. It's hard not to kind of
root for these guys because you know what they could
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potentially be walking back into, and yet they are using
this platform to hopefully do some good and now they're winning. Yeah,
it's just wild when you throw that layer on top
of it where it's hard to wrap your mind around
that in the States, you know what I mean, Like
think about Team USA, say, in like basketball, if the
government could just execute Braun, you know what I mean,
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Like that that you can't even wrap your mind around that.
But that happens in other countries. But as far as
soccer goes, that's as close to a buzzer beater as
you're gonna get in soccer. With the run scoring in
what the ninety what Yeah, I was crazy. And then
they add on the insurance goal that could be a
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big deal for tiebreakers in Group B. So this is
not a good result for Team USA. They wanted the
draw in this thing. But Iran gets the two nil win.
That's huge for a run big. It is absolutely is
scintillating to end that match on FS one is where
you could have seen that here We are on Fox
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Sports Radio tomorrow on Fox the Game Michigan Ohio State
New Eastern Time at the Shoe. I think that's where
we can go here. We talked a whole lot of
NFL and we'll jump back into it here a little
bit later this hour, Brian, But not just Ohio State Michigan,
big time game for USC with Notre Dame. This is
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the last week really of the college football regular season.
How are you feeling right now about some of these teams,
and especially this Ohio State Michigan game, where both teams
at times have shown themselves to be capable of a clunker.
I think I would say, yeah, Well, first off, about
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the whole slate, go irish, I'd just like to say
that real fast board bred in South Bend, So let's
get that out of the way. But credit credit to
your boy Freeman. That could have gone off the tracks
early in the season and he has pulled it back
to get them ranked. That's that's a really solid finish,
Yeah it is. It started off really badly. He was
being clowned for losing his first three games, and it
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looks a lot better now if you're smacking around Clemson
and uh righting the ship. But as far as the
Michigan Ohio State game, to me, Jason, it's all about
Blake Corehum is the stud running back himself. Because if
he isn't, I just I think this has the potential
to get ugly, real fast. Because if Blake Coreum, who's
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rushed for almost fifteen hundred yards and eighteen touchdowns this season,
if he's limping around and just trying to gut it
out and there's more on J J. McCarthy shoulders, I
just don't trust that guy at all. And against Ohio State,
you need J. J. McCarthy to match points with C. J. Stroud.
I just don't see it happening. You have to have
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Blake Coreum be special for Michigan to have a chance
in this game, is the way I see it. And
I don't want to make Ohio State out to be
some unbeatable type team. They barely squeaked by Maryland last week,
but against Michigan in a game that's been circled ever
since they got boat raced last year. If you've got
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Michigan wounded with Blake Coreum in a get back game
for Ohio State, that is not a good recipe for
Michigan at all. No. I mean they're gonna have to
be able to play Michigan football, which is control the clock,
run the ball, and play physical defense. And if you
don't have core. Um. We saw it last week how
important Korum is to them, just based on how they
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had to escape uh, their opponent, and that was not
It's not like they were playing Ohio State last week.
That was a struggle for them. They were able to
get through it. Um. I mean it will always a
good football team, but I don't think anybody's mistaken them
for a college football playoff team. Illinois actually likes to
play very similar now Michigan plays. But I think you're right. Uh.
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I don't like the quarterback situation in Michigan. I haven't
liked it all year. McCarthy could be the guy, but
he's not the guy right now. Mcnamari's hurt. Mcnamary at
least once of games last year and was part of
a college football playoffs situation and then kind of got
Jimmy Jid and then McCarthy ended up keeping this job
as opposed to Trey Lance getting hurt and not being
able to stay on the field for the forty niners.
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But if they can't run the ball, I don't think
they pass it at all. Like I wouldn't be surprised
if they don't have a hundred and fifty yards through
the air against Ohio State. This Ohio State team, I
think is very beatable, just because there's times when they
have a little bit of a rams field to me
in terms of there's a little bit more flash than
there is substance because they again they can go out
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there and play kind of mediocre. Now they can still
win playing mediocre. And it wasn't just them. Pretty much
everybody that was ranked last week in the top ten
struggled to some degree outside of U c. L A
getting the big win, but most of them were able
to escape. Ohio State has more talent than Michigan. We
knew that going into this season. Coorum is the difference maker.
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I don't know what you have on offense if you're Michigan,
if you don't have that guy, and I think you're right.
I think it could easily become, you know, a three
touchdown win for Ohio State of Korum is not himself. Yeah,
that's how I see it, And I like the Jimmy
g comparison. You're right. It's that's why Jim Harbaugh switched quarterbacks.
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That's why he went from Cade McNamara, who was the
quarterback last season when they made it to the playoffs.
They made it to the College Football Playoff, and they
still made a quarterback change because he thought that j. J.
McCarthy had a higher ceiling and he's better than Kate McNamara.
I mean, honestly, I think I I still had a
few throws in me. I think I'm better than Kad
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McNamara at this point. But J J. McCarthy is much better.
And if there's more on his shoulders, I just I
will be like jaw hitting the floor if this is
a j J. McCarthy game and he's just dealing, he's
just dialing them up and they Yeah, I don't see
it at all. I do not see it whatsoever. Their
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formula for success, it's just how you described. It's kind
of like old school Wisconsin. You know, it's run the ball,
it's play good defense. It's not air it out. It's
not throw the ball all over the place and match
points with C. J. Stroud. That's just not how they play.
So if they're forced to lay that way. I just
don't think they're gonna be able to. Right now, who
do you buy into most of the the current top four.
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We're gonna extend this out and talk a little bit
about L s U, v A, v USC and the
college football rankings here maybe in the next segment. But
you saw Georgia. Georgia outlasted Kentucky, but it wasn't a
dominant performance. Ohio State did what Ohio State did against
lesser opposition in Maryland, a team that had gotten blanked
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a week before by Penn State. We saw Michigan escape Illinois.
We saw TCU in the craziest finishing forty seconds, one
of the most disjointed, disorganized looking things. And then Sunny
Dice comes out and says, it only looks frantic. We
practiced it every week. It's like, okay, well it was
one of the especially considering your kicker missed an extra
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point like ten minutes before that and you had him
literally sprint on the field and make the kick. Now
he did make it, and you're still undefeated. But how
are you feeling right now about the top of the
heap in college football? It's Georgia and everybody else right now.
And it's not to say that Georgia can't be beaten.
They can be. Like you mentioned, that was uh less
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than it looked to be more comfortable for Georgia against Kentucky,
but it really wasn't. Like that was a closer game
at the end than it should have been. They barely
beat Missouri. So it's just to point out that they
can be had. We all know how dominant they can be.
They boat roast, boat raced ore Agon. That was a
comfortable win against Tennessee. They're very talented team to defending champs,
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very good defense. We all know that. The rest of
the college football world like, yeah, Ohio State, good, Michigan, good, DC,
you good. But you know, we saw it last week
with Tennessee getting crushed by South Carolina that was the
number five team in the country and they had nothing
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for Spencer Rattler and the game Cocks. You know. So
I just think beyond Georgia, you have these wild results
when it comes to the top teams in college football,
And uh do I think USC could sneak in and
just go just try to out offense Georgia, Yeah, be
kind of interesting. Their defense is so terrible absolutely hideous man.
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We knew last week I was I was on air
with I was on because I was on air with
Aaron Torres and and he kept calling me nostre damas
because I said, after every touchdown was scored in that
USC U c l A game, well, you see it
is about to come down to score like immediately. They
are brutal on defense, which is why I think Caleb
Williams right now would have my vote for the Heisman
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because he has to go out there and get you
fifty a game. He has to go out there and throw,
you know, six touchdown passes. He's gotta run in another
one because he can't have an empty trip because his
defense is gonna give up six in the other way.
And you take away Travis die and for a quarter
of the season, he hasn't had George Madison, He's been
missing other weapons. He has to be special basically on
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every drive for them, and they're gonna lose. Yeah, it's crazy.
And USC had four takeaways last week against U c
l A, gave up forty two points and one by three, right, like,
how does that? How do all those things happen? It
did in that game. Their defense is just a wreck.
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But I think Jason, it's one of these deals where
if we had a twelve team playoff this season, I
think there's the recipe for a lot of crazy things
to happen. Maybe not, you know, like five or six
teams could win it all, but along the way, I
think you could have a lot of wild results. It's
just that type of season in college football. I think
it's Georgia and then everybody else. Is the way it
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stacks up, right, Yes see, I would agree with you,
like I mean, if you got the shot, for example,
to watch Oregon in Michigan, Oregon in Ohio State, some
of these other matchups. I think L s USE a
little bit overrated. I think they're good, but I look
at a two loss L s U team and maybe
we'll do this in the next segment. We can kind
of look at them in USC and and what the
college football playoff rankings are. You would still have Tennessee
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in the mix. But that that's still one of the
most baffling things I've seen. I did not no one
saw sixty three being hung by South Carolina on Tennessee.
And then of course the news got worse with Hendon
Hooker's a c O and hopefully that's not going to
affect him too much in the draft because what an
unbelievable season. But I agree with you. I think that
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there are teams that are dangerous and if you don't
show up with your A game, and we've seen every
one of these teams, including Georgia this year, has shown
up with a B minus or a C plus game,
and I think it speaks to Georgia's talent level that
they've been able to win these games even when they
haven't played their best. Everybody else, when you're playing against
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actual competition, I think you're gonna have to bring your best,
which I don't know what that means for TCU. I
don't think anybody believes TCU is the fourth best team
in the country if you just look at it from talent.
But eventually, you are what your record says you are,
and right now, tc USE record says that they're undefeated
and they control their own destiny. If they're able to
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win out beat Kansas State, beat Iowa State tomorrow, they
will be one of the four, just like Cincinnati was
last year. Yeah, I'm much more of a resume guy
than a hypothetical guy, because there are two ways to
look at it. You look at the resume of TCU,
They're undefeated if they went out there in it's that simple.
I'm more like that because the other way is the
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hypothetical thing of Well, I believe USC is better, and
if they were to meet on a neutral field, I
think USC, well, you could be wrong. You could be
wrong about USC being better on a neutral field. So
I always go by resume and I hear you on TCU.
We're all kind of got the shifty eyes. I think
it's the lack of brand recognition as well. I'll tell
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you this, if USC had the spitting image of t
c US resume, we wouldn't have nearly as many questions
because USC is a brand and TCU isn't. Be sure
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Oh what's
going on, everybody? Hope you're enjoying your post Thanksgiving festivities.
Black Friday in effect, we got ball going on, we
got hoops, We got soccer going on. I run with
a big win over Wales, t USA getting set to
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take on England. I don't know if you're gonna have
that in the rotation, by the way it sounded, Jason,
what do you have going on at one pm Eastern
time today? A little USA action? It's possible. I mean,
I'm definitely gonna watch some of that. Um White working
a half day today. We obviously have a daughter now
who is not quite two years old, she's about nineteen months,
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so she is certainly going to have our attention today
as well. The Black Friday thing has changed. I used
to get a kick out of, you know, going and
being a part of the rush a little bit and
maybe picking up a few cheap DVDs or some music
or some video games or something like that. It's kind
of shifted now where you just kind of do it online.
And so I already handled the few things that I
wanted to handle last night at like eight or nine pm.
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So it's kind of a different day. It's just kind
of gonna be a lazy day of watching sports. A
lot of good college football today as well, Baylor in
Texas and some other matchups, so I'm gonna be watching
a lot of stuff. By the way, Um, if your
daughter was to root for one of your favorite teams,
you know, I know you're gonna let her root for
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whoever she wants to root for. I know that. But
if she just so happened to really be a die
hard fan of one of your teams, which one would
be your first choice? I mean, I think the oldest
My oldest fandom is either the Atlanta Braids of Denver Broncos.
So I'd probably say one of those. Honestly, like Denver
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since Elway, I mean Elway when I was a kid,
that made them my favorite team. I grew up scoring games.
My dad was an umpire and so we spent a
lot of time at ballparks and we were giant Brads fans,
and so I would say one of the two of those.
I'd be thrilled with either one of them. Um, I
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don't know she's gonna be a sports person or not.
I have no idea, but I would I would say
Broncos a Braids. I'd be happy either way. I like it. Well,
let's talk a little bit about your Broncos, because you
made me realize something and I can't believe I'm this
late to the party. I didn't put two and two
together where we were talking about Brady and Belichick for
a second, just based kind of went there with the conversation.
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But I never thought of the divorce the same way
between Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll, but the way Brady
has won the divorce between he and Belichick. Uh, Pete
Carroll has won the divorce so far between himself and
Russell Wilson. And it's not even close. This is decisive.
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You look at what what Seattle is doing with Geno Smith.
They're way better than Denver is with Russell Wilson. That again,
we're talking about things that blow your mind this season.
That's another thing. I never would have expected Seattle to
basically be twice as good and then some wins and
losses wise than Denver Is this season. Yeah, look, that's
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that's a million percent right. And when you see a split,
you see a winner and a loser. The interesting thing
is in the same division you've got Davantae Adams. Now,
of course there was the split with him and Aaron Rodgers.
It's not going great for either guy. I think you
could look at that entire situation and say, boy, if
Green Bay could undo that, if Aaron Rodgers could find
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a way to do that, would he and maybe would
the Raiders. Even though Davante Adams has been good, they've
been terrible. They've been absolutely brutal with him and gave
up a lot in the process. So we're seeing a
couple of things in a f C West that are
kind of strange, but definitely Pete Carroll looks so much
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better now. Even though this is kind of a short
sample size, and we Russ could be there for five
more years and they could win a Super Bowl or
two along the way. Who knows, uh, it doesn't look
like it's trending in that direction. But Pete Carroll is
your big winner this year, I think in the NFL,
simply because everybody was expecting Seattle to be the worst
team in the league because they were going into the
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season with either Gino Smith or Drew Lock at quarterback.
They were having problems everywhere. Were they just gonna keep
running the ball? The defense hadn't been good in years,
the offensive line hadn't been good in years, And what
you've seen is the exact opposite. Russ got out of there.
Gino has played pretty well all season long, and the
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Broncos have been one of the worst teams in the
league despite the fact that their defense is really good.
So you can't even blame it there. You've got a
head coach that was an offensive minded guy in Green Bay,
and you've got Russell Wilson, one of the biggest brands
in football over the last decade. And it's been Geno
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Smith and Pete Carroll that have won this war. And
I don't know that we've made enough. If I'm Pete Carroll,
I'm grinning year to year right now. Oh, you have
to be absolutely have to be. How about this that
this is amazing? And props to Chris who's with us
our technical producer today. He gave me this that the
Lions running back Jamal Williams, he has scored the equal
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amount of touchdowns as the Broncos this season. Right, Jamal
Williams scored his thirte touchdown yesterday for the Lions. That's
how many touchdowns the Broncos have offensively as a tea
this season. They have as many as Jamal Williams. That's insane.
Luckily I have Jamal Williams on my fantasy team to
help me dry the tears of a just dreadful Broncos
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existence at this point in time. But it couldn't have
gone worse. It's just it couldn't have gone worse than
the question that I asked. I wouldn't sure if we
would touch on it, but I'll throw it out there again. Yeah.
I think many people, not everybody, but most people probably
saw Russell Wilson going to Canton before this season, right?
Is it possible that the narrative has shifted so much
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if things don't turn around either this year or potentially
maybe next year for him. If if this is if
the version of Russ that we've already seen is far
better than the version of Russ that we're gonna get
from this point out, do you think the recency bias
could actually can you play your way out of a
Hall of Fame career many already thought you had by
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going to a new place and being this bad watching
your old ace actually succeed in your absence? Yeah, I
think as it stands right now, subject to change. Yeah,
I actually buy that because let's say that, let's say
Russ didn't play this year, he retired before this season,
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I think it's a Hall of Famer. Would you agree
with that? Do you think he would get in based
on what he had done only in Seattle? Yes? Absolutely.
And again I think that the narrative was always that
Russ was handcuffed by Schottenheimer and the conservative nature of
Pete Carroll. And it wasn't about letting Russ cook. It
was about run the ball on first and second down.
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It's third down in sixteen, Hey, Rusco get us a
first down. It was always It wasn't set up. He
was used more as a decoy despite the fact that
he was a superstar. So I think he was actually
getting the benefit of the doubt in most conversations around
the league. Yeah, and I think right now, let's say
Russ retired after this season, just for the sake of
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argue ment. Yeah, I think there is something to that. Now,
you give it years and years. That's the other thing, right,
you give it five years, and maybe you view it
a little bit differently, But you have to think this
is the final impression. Is him playing really badly right
like that is not a good lasting impression to get
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into the Hall. So yeah, as of right now, I
think he's eventually going to get there. I think he's
a special player. I don't think this is the version
we're gonna see from here on out from Russ the
rest of his career. I still think he's too special
for this to linger and for him to only be
this guy going forward. So I think he eventually gets
in there. But as of right now, if he walked
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away from football after this season, I don't know. I
don't think that he is the lock I once did
for him to get into the Hall. Yeah, I just
I can't believe it's gone this poorly. Yeah, I know, Look,
you lost Williams, you lost defensive layers. But this wide
receiver corps going into the year, all all we had
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heard for years, and look at the Broncos fan, I
knew it. There's a lot of talent on that wide
receiver corps, but it just hadn't worked like it's been.
It's been a true disaster. Um Russ's reputation I think
is probably as low as it has ever been. And
that goes back to college, that goes back to Wisconsin,
goes back to NC State, goes to baseball. Prior to
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all of that, whenever maybe there was any kind of
a reputation hit. This is it, and I think you
go back and there was a piece written years ago
about the situation in Seattle. It may have been Seth Wickersham.
If it wasn't, it was uh, somebody over at the
athletic I think um. And they talked about how the
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legion of Boom. They didn't name him, but you could
tell it was guys like Sherman and some of those
guys that would be on the sidelines wondering why Russ
was getting so much attention for throwing for a hundred
and forty yards in a game and then winning by
twenty points because the defense was that dominant. And I
think a lot of that kind of stuff you can
unearth more of that now because it's very easy to
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take shots at Russ. I just I mean, the Broncos
can't score twenty points in a game like I I
can't even watch my own football team play. As big
a Broncos fan as I am, I can't watch this
like I thought at one point, I'm the Jinks. So
I went to a concert the night of the Colts
Thursday night game, and I was like, Oh, we're gonna
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be all right. Then I saw how we lost that game. No,
you know what, it's not just me. These guys are
just absolutely terrible. By the way, you know where I
was during that game. I was at the game where
I was added. As bad as that game was, it
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was fun. Maybe it was because I went, yeah, oh yeah,
we stayed till the bitter end. But maybe it's because
I had a bet on like the Colts team total
under or something. I'm like, this is beautiful. I love
but I'm just I love football so much, man, And
as ugly as that game was, I will never forget
that game. I'm the guy now where I used to
(41:14):
look sideways at people that were like, oh, yeah, I
went to that game, I'm like, oh yeah, who won?
I'm not sure who were they playing? I I it's
a little fuzzy. I'm like, you were at the game,
how do you not remember? And every now and then
that has happened to me. I will never forget that
twelve to nine Colts Franco's overtime game. Never forget that. Hey,
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while we're talking about QBS and we mentioned Geno Smith's name,
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Gino has played very well this season. He has seventeen
touchdown passes this year. That's the most he's ever had
in an NFL season. And so I think what's interesting
is is Baker Mayfield headed for Geno Smith territory. And
what I mean by that is this, So the Panthers
they're gonna start Sam Donald this Sunday. Sam Darnald is
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gonna be behind center, No Baker Mayfield, And I started
thinking about with Gino Smith. So Gino Smith started his
first two seasons with the Jets. It didn't go well.
It was six years, he was a backup, and now
he's finally gotten a chance as the starter in Seattle.
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Are we gonna see something similar with Baker Mayfield? Because
think about this, when's he gonna get his next real
chance to be the starter? Sam Darnald is starting. You know,
they had p J. Walker starting when Baker Mayfield was
healthy and could have played, they still rolled with with
e J. So are we gonna see the same type
of career path from Geno Smith. Are we gonna see
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that from Baker Mayfield that we're seeing with Gino Smith
right now? It could be. I just find that really interesting, Jason,
where if you get a chance to start and you falter,
it could be a long long time until you get
another legitimate chance to start again. Yeah, although we do
live in a universe where Blaine Gabbert keeps getting jobs
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and a lot of these other guys do. However, there
is always the added dimension with Baker of your also
taking on Baker Mayfield the human being, and there does
not that he's a bad guy, but there's always drama
that surrounds it. There's always a little bit of a
knock and maybe if you're talking around the league, he
doesn't necessarily have a sterling reputation in that arena. I've
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always kind of liked him. I was hoping that this
would be a good year for him. That's not been
a good scenario obviously, with Matt Rule leaving and um
just not having a lot there and then trading McCaffrey away.
It's kind of a place to go and fail, and
maybe there's gonna be some other teams out there that
we're already kind of wanting to do something with Mayfield,
but didn't want any part of doing any kind of
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a deal with the Browns that will give him a shot.
Like if you're Houston, would you rather have him than
what you have? Yeah, you would, but you'd also rather
have some other guys that might be out there, or
you might rather draft somebody for the future Mayfield. It's
not I don't think this is like the last opportunity,
but the next one could be. Like, the next one
could be, uh, if it goes as poorly as this
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one has. I mean Mayfield losing his job here, not
being able to maintain it, and and them not playing
well with him at quarterback, Like he just hasn't been
able to make them competent in any way. He doesn't
come across as a leader right now. There's nothing about
that scenario that's good. The only thing I would say
is there's nothing about that team in that situation right
now that is good at all. And it's not an
(45:00):
enviable spot to be in, which is hard to say
when you're you know, making good money to be an
NFL quarterback. But he is probably closer to being out
of the league than he is the m v P.
I'll say that what's interesting to me is you might
be better off if you falter as a starting quarterback.
Let's use Zach Wilson as an example, right, like the
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Jets current quarterback who was starting. He's now not even
dressing the Sunday against the Bears. But let's just say
it fizzles out for Zack Wilson in New York. That's
the way it's trending. He might be better off whenever
he goes to another team, just being the backup of
a good team instead of the starter of a bad team.
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Because we've seen this. It's Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield got
a chance to start in Carolina, you know what I mean.
It's like good luck. Now look at where his career is.
He probably would have been better going somewhere else as
a backup to a really good quarterback on a really
good team. And should the starter get hurt, maybe gets
a chance to start three or four games, and if
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he plays a lot better, he's gonna get a better opportunity.
It's the long game, you know, And I get yeah,
I get that, you want to be on the field
you want to compete. I get all of that, but man,
in the long run, you might be better off going
from starter to back up and just rebuilding your value
that way. Yeah. I just again, if you're gonna stink,
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you better be Marcus Mariota. You better be a dude.
Everybody wants to have around, a guy that can come
in and maybe just hold the ship until what you're
planning on doing for the future. Does anybody think Marcus
is the long term plan in Atlanta? And they never did.
But Arthur Smith worked with Marcus in Tennessee. He knew
that Marcus was one of the classiest guys in the league,
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and so your your team was probably gonna be better
off just having him around, even if there was a
skilled deficiency. The problem for Zack Wilson Mayfield some of
these guys is you're not You don't necessarily have that Zack,
and what he did in that press conference is probably
the worst thing we've seen him do. The fact that
he's not playing well is one thing. The fact that
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he's handling at this poorly, at that position, specifically where
you're supposed to own it, where you're supposed to be
the guy that to me is the biggest issue for
him moving forward. It could be for Mayfield as well.
Not the Mayfield's not ever taken responsibility for his failure
is quite contrary, but again, personality matters when you're mediocre. Yeah,
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it really does.
It's the best of two pros and a couple of
Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Joe mis Knocks
on radio. Oh, good morning everybody. I hope you're enjoying
your post Thanksgiving activities over here. Happy Black Friday. Hope
everything's going well. Man. We've got a lot of ball
(00:25):
left on the menu today and throughout the weekend. Very
excited to talk some ball and beyond with you. I'm
probably though Jason Martin with me. Jason, I hope your
Thanksgiving was great. Everything good in your world? Yeah, I
can't complain. Good to be with you this morning. Uh.
I watched a heck of a lot of sports. I
ended up watching more college basketball last night than I
(00:45):
thought I was going to, on top of an NFL
game that was pretty dug on entertaining. Actually, yeah, I
liked Uh. I like the slate of NFL games. You know,
if if you uh, you know, indulge in a little
bit of gambling. The The Dallas game was well in
hand at the end until it wasn't so a nasty
(01:05):
back door cover with Brett Maher missing the kick and
then the Giant scoring a touchdown at the end, but
good stuff throughout the uh, throughout the day. In the evening,
I thought the nightcap is really interesting with the Vikings winning.
I think a little glass half full, glass half empty
with the Vikings where you look at them, the record
(01:25):
is really nice, man, you uh, you glanced down there
and see them at nine and two while the Packers
are four and seven, like, that's beautiful. But if you
look at the win, yeah you want against the feisty Patriots,
that's great. Improved the nine and two, But glass half empty.
He needed a ninety seven yard kickoff return for a touchdown.
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Can't count on that consistently, Patriots. They had running into
the punter or a kicker I guess, and that kept
the drive alive. There was a big call when it
was a tie game and mac Jones. Mac Jones through
for three d eighty two arts in two touchdowns. So
it's just one of those seasons for the Vikings where
things are going their way more times than not. They
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improved a nine and two. It's crazy how it works
out like that. Sometimes. Yeah, that's true. I mean, they
definitely had to have some things go right for them,
but sometimes you do. And anytime Kirk Cousins get to
win in prime time. You probably need to take note
of that in positive direction for your football team because
it's happened so infrequently throughout his career. And look, the
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Pats defense has been. That's one thing you can't knock
Belichick for. Like, I didn't know what they were gonna
be this year. I certainly thought they were going to
be a bad football team. Right now they're above five,
but their defense has been pretty solid. And after getting
curb stomped basically by the Cowboys on Sunday, the Vikings
(02:52):
needed an offensive showcase against a decent two good defense,
and I think you at least got that. You will
saw the kind of flashes you needed to and you
saw the chemistry from your quarterback in the best wide
re stiver in football, justin Jefferson, and that that game
easily could have gotten away from you because the Patriots
were ready to play and ready to win, end up
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not winning the game. But to your other point, I mean, yeah,
the the middle game, it got interesting late, but I
think we live in a universe where it's better where
the Detroit Lions are pretty good compared to their own standards,
because that game would have been a laugh for two
years ago against the Bills, and this one was not.
This one was one team had Josh Allen and Stefon
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Diggs and twenty five seconds and that was enough to
get them in position to kick that game winning field goal.
But that was a wildly entertaining football game as well.
A lot of times the Thanksgiving Slate doesn't give us
all that much to talk about. This time, maybe it
gives us almost too much because you get something out
of everything that we saw. Yeah, kind of interesting because
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you look at Dan Campbell, the line ins head coach,
and there were there were suggestions, there was talk just
about a month ago of is he gonna be fired?
I know he's the star of hard Knocks and and
we love that guy and the tone that he sets.
But you gotta win games. And they were a one
in six football team, but they rattled off three straight
(04:21):
wins right at the ship. That was certainly not even
close to an embarrassing performance yesterday against the Bills. You're right,
the Lions have improved. You can see it. You can
absolutely see the improvement. And for it to be a
field goal game at the end, you can't hang hang
your head on that. Like no one's gonna be upset
with that effort. Uh. They've played pretty well, especially as
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of late, but yeah, you gotta give Josh Allen some credit.
Josh Allen, the Bills quarterback, has had some hideous turnovers
a few weeks leading up to this game. He was
turnover free last week against the Browns. Turnover free again
and that same stadium. It's kind of odd playing in
Detroit again. Thinks to the snow and Buffalo, but that
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frozen rope just to find Diggs at the end of
the game. That's a fifty yard pass on a frozen
rope and Tyler Bass squeaks in the forty five yard
game winning field goal. Von Miller carted off the field though.
That is very scary stuff. Ian Rappaport he tweeted out
the initial diagnosis for von Miller is a knee brain
(05:26):
No one has ruled out a more serious injury, but
there is some hope. He's gonna have an m r
I today and other tests to confirm. So you hold
your breath and hope von Miller is healthy, because man,
you could tell a huge difference once he went out
of the game yesterday. Yeah, he sets a tone and
he sets an energy and an attitude. We've seen it
throughout his career as a Denver Broncos fan. I saw
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it for a very very long time. But you saw
as soon as he went to the Rams there was
a certain nastiness. There was a certain uh moxie about
that defense that guess what doesn't exist now like Aaron Donald,
Jalen Ramsey. Notwithstanding, those guys are always studs, but he's
a tone setter, is von Miller, and it was the
(06:09):
same thing. He goes to your team, your team instantly
becomes a championship contender on that side of the football
at the very least. So him going out that's something
from a Bills fan. I know they're optimistic that it's
not serious inside that building. We're gonna find out for sure,
but watching that guy get carded off, that's gonna make
my heart skip a beat. But your comment about the
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past from Alan two Diggs, I think it's more impressive
because it wasn't surprising. It's exactly what I thought they
were gonna do. I looked at it said, is that
enough time? Yeah? With these guys. Yeah, actually it is.
It's same thing I thought on Sunday night in the
Chiefs Chargers game, where I knew exactly what was gonna happen.
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When the Chiefs got the football back with a minute
forty said, that's an eternity for Patrick Mahomes. And it
turned out to be exactly that. We live in a
universe where and there's not many of them in the league,
but we live in a world where the Lions are good,
but also where there are a few quarterbacks where if
you give them any time at all, they're going to
beat you and it's not gonna be surprising, which doesn't
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make it any less amazing. And that's what you saw
Alan when he had to make a play, had to
make a throw, he was able to make a throw,
and he had his guy. He had Stefon Diggs was
the one thing that you noticed about all three games
last night. The team with the stud wide receiver went
three and oh Cetee Lamb Stefen Diggs. Justin Jefferson, your
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team came out with the W last night. Yeah, it's
an interesting point. I remember it wasn't that long ago
there was a thought in the NFL. A lot of
GM subscribe to it. I remember what Ray Farmer was
the GM of the Cleveland Browns, and he was saying, hey,
when's the last time a Super Bowl winning team had
(07:57):
an elite wide receiver? And so the thought was, you
don't really need one of those guys not in today's NFL.
I certainly didn't agree with it at that time, but now,
oh my gosh, you definitely have to have that. You
just see the effect. Look at the Packers for crying
out loud. The ripple effect of not having Davante Adams
is absolutely huge. That's a good point. I also think,
(08:18):
man with Josh Allen, I'm with you in terms of
it wasn't surprising that he came through at the end,
but it's also not surprising if he does the opposite.
He's had a couple of really shaky decisions as of late,
so to see him sort of right the ship and
to come up big in crunch time, that's a huge
(08:38):
deal for the Bills obviously. And then also watching that game,
Tony Romo he was pointing it out like Josh Allen's
just gutting through an injury. He's absolutely affected by the
elbow injury. That shouldn't affect your decision making, though you know,
I don't care what's going on with the elbow, like
you just can't make the wrong read or the wrong
decision at a key moment. And he had a couple
(08:58):
of games uh earlier this month, so for him to
come up big was a big deal. I also think
it reminds me of I went to a game this
is years ago. It was the Bears at the Cowboys.
I made it to a T and T stadium, long
time ago, and Jay Cutler, I'll never forget Jason. Before
the game. No one disputed Jay Cutler's arm talent. Before
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the game, the dude was just warming up and I
was just like, holy hell, he was throwing forty five
yard passes just on a frozen rope, just like I'm
kind of warming up over here, you know, just get
the gun ready. It was crazy. There are a lot
of quarterbacks in the NFL that don't have that type
of arm talent, and when you look at Josh Allen
in today's NFL, there are many quarterbacks that have that
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type of arm talent Mahomes does. That is a short
short list what Josh Allen can do with football. Yeah,
and your your other comment there about not being surprised
if you'd done the opposite. There's something to that. Um,
Josh Allen has the arm that you just described and
knows it, and I think sometimes it's hard to reel
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yourself in from thinking you can make every play. Elway
had that issue at times. Um, You've seen guys through
the years that throw balls like that, they can do everything.
They are gunslinger types like Brett Farve. There's a little
bit of that in Josh Allen. Like at times, you're
gonna need somebody to reel you in, whether that's Dorsey
or whether it was stable in the past, just to
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be like, hey, we can we can get this done.
You don't have to do this every single play. But
it's hard to tell that guy because you know he's
capable of it. In this case, it was a perfect route.
Maybe the best hands in the league in Stefon Diggs
and past that, you've got a guy that just put
the ball exactly where it had to be and all
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it took was one that got them in the field
goal position. And they're an eight and three football team
as a results. A big difference between being eight and
three and seven and four in this year's a f
C where you've got a lot of teams that could
make noise, and you've got a lot of teams that
are jockeying for position at the same time. It was
an important win for Buffalo because they need to continue
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to set the pace outside of Kansas City right now,
and as a completed unit, you would feel better about
the Bills. I still think you feel better about their
defense than you do Kansas Cities, even with the injuries
that they sustained. But this was an important one to
continue to roll things right. Eight and three is a
nice record to have eleven weeks in. Yeah, not bad
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a f C to NFC. You look at the NFC
with the Cowboys winning and how crazy crazy this season is.
Think about before Week one what most people said was, well,
we know Tampa is gonna be good, we know Green
Bay is gonna be good, and we know the defending
Super Bowl champion Rams are gonna be good. Outside of that,
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all bets are off, and that has not been the
case whatsoever. You've got Tampa winning back to back games
to get to five hundred, You've got the Rams are
three and seven, They're in shambles. The Packers are a
disaster at four and seven. And meanwhile, a team like
the Cowboys yesterday, the Cowboys are good at anybody else
in the NFC. I wouldn't be shocked at all if
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the Cowboys go to the Super Bowl this season. No,
I wouldn't either, And before the season, you definitely wouldn't
have gotten me there. I was. I was, I was
very down on them. I'm still I'm gonna need to
see Mike McCarthy in the playoffs. But right now you'd
much rather be a Cowboys fan than some of these
other teams. The Rams are not going to make the playoffs.
The Packers are not going to make the playoffs. The
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Bucks are gonna need to win their division. I think
they're probably gonna gonna find their way in if for
no other reason. The rest of the division is terrible.
But I think one of the other things that's been
kind of stunning this year is there is not a
team in the NFC East that's bad, like, not one
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of them. Washington with Heineke doing good things yesterday, you
still saw a lot of good Daniel Jones in that game.
I don't think the Giants are any kind of juggernaut.
There definitely a much better football team than they've been
in years past. The Eagles, even though they had to
escape kind of a it's kind of an ugly performance
on Sunday against Indianapolis. And then as we're talking about
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with the Cowboys, the NFC East has turned out to
be one of the better divisions in the league. Now
it's a weaker conference, but those teams are all better
maybe then we thought going in. I think you can
make the argument all four of them have outperformed what
we thought they would do this year. Yeah. Yeah, it's uh.
It's funny because before the season started, I'm like, something
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weird is obviously going to happen, and I just couldn't
figure out what it was going to be. And there
are a lot of weird things that have but that's
one of them. If you would have told me before
the season that the Giants would have three more wins
than the Packers right now, I would have thought Aaron
Rodgers missed the entire season. He's been there every step
of the way. You could you believe that the Giants
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have three more wins than the Packers heading into Week twelve?
You know, like that's just that blows me away right there.
That's why. Yeah, yeah, you're right, And I mean we
could spend three hours. We won't, thankfully, but we could
spend three hours just discussing the Packers and the situation
there and what's going to happen. And if you're a
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team like the Jets, are you thinking maybe Aaron Rodgers
would come here to finish up his career and maybe
Green Bay is gonna be fine with that after this season?
And then of course you've got the backup quarterback, Jordan's Love,
who I think we all know is not the guy.
So does he at some point get an opportunity, especially
now that Aaron Dgers this revealed. He's got the hand issue,
he's got other things going on, and the biggest thing
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that he's got going on is just not a very
good football team, A team that I wouldn't say they've quit,
they're just not good enough. The defense has not been
as advertised, but the offense has been an unmitigated disaster
and and honestly, a lot of it's not on the
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s R to listen live. Oh boy, we got sports
happing him right now. Iran It looks like they're about
to beat Wales. That's how we welcome you back into
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The telephone number eight seven seven ninety nine on Fox
that translates six six three six nine man and now
Iron scored again. Just to add to it, this thing
was eight minutes into stoppage time of the nine that
we thought we were going to get Wales with ten
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players out there, and it makes a difference. So Wales
is going to lose here and Group B two to
the two nil and this is not I mean, it
looked like this thing was going to go a little
bit further. And boy it comes to an end, real
real fast here and Iran. What a story from them
and just the bravery that they've had to show as
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a team with some of the things that they have
tried to do um in a country where look the
difference between situations. Brian is Iran. These players can go
back and be executed by their government and they're still
kind of standing up for things that they believe in
terms of human rights. It's hard not to kind of
root for these guys because you know what they could
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potentially be walking back into, and yet they are using
this platform to hopefully do some good and now they're winning. Yeah,
it's just wild when you throw that layer on top
of it where it's hard to wrap your mind around
that in the States, you know what I mean, Like
think about Team USA, say, in like basketball, if the
government could just execute Braun, you know what I mean,
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Like that that you can't even wrap your mind around that.
But that happens in other countries. But as far as
soccer goes, that's as close to a buzzer beater as
you're gonna get in soccer. With the run scoring in
what the ninety what Yeah, I was crazy. And then
they add on the insurance goal that could be a
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big deal for tiebreakers in Group B. So this is
not a good result for Team USA. They wanted the
draw in this thing. But Iran gets the two nil win.
That's huge for a run big. It is absolutely is
scintillating to end that match on FS one is where
you could have seen that here We are on Fox
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Sports Radio tomorrow on Fox the Game Michigan Ohio State
New Eastern Time at the Shoe. I think that's where
we can go here. We talked a whole lot of
NFL and we'll jump back into it here a little
bit later this hour, Brian, But not just Ohio State Michigan,
big time game for USC with Notre Dame. This is
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the last week really of the college football regular season.
How are you feeling right now about some of these teams,
and especially this Ohio State Michigan game, where both teams
at times have shown themselves to be capable of a clunker.
I think I would say, yeah, Well, first off, about
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the whole slate, go irish, I'd just like to say
that real fast board bred in South Bend, So let's
get that out of the way. But credit credit to
your boy Freeman. That could have gone off the tracks
early in the season and he has pulled it back
to get them ranked. That's that's a really solid finish,
Yeah it is. It started off really badly. He was
being clowned for losing his first three games, and it
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looks a lot better now if you're smacking around Clemson
and uh righting the ship. But as far as the
Michigan Ohio State game, to me, Jason, it's all about
Blake Corehum is the stud running back himself. Because if
he isn't, I just I think this has the potential
to get ugly, real fast. Because if Blake Coreum, who's
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rushed for almost fifteen hundred yards and eighteen touchdowns this season,
if he's limping around and just trying to gut it
out and there's more on J J. McCarthy shoulders, I
just don't trust that guy at all. And against Ohio State,
you need J. J. McCarthy to match points with C. J. Stroud.
I just don't see it happening. You have to have
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Blake Coreum be special for Michigan to have a chance
in this game, is the way I see it. And
I don't want to make Ohio State out to be
some unbeatable type team. They barely squeaked by Maryland last week,
but against Michigan in a game that's been circled ever
since they got boat raced last year. If you've got
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Michigan wounded with Blake Coreum in a get back game
for Ohio State, that is not a good recipe for
Michigan at all. No. I mean they're gonna have to
be able to play Michigan football, which is control the clock,
run the ball, and play physical defense. And if you
don't have core. Um. We saw it last week how
important Korum is to them, just based on how they
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had to escape uh, their opponent, and that was not
It's not like they were playing Ohio State last week.
That was a struggle for them. They were able to
get through it. Um. I mean it will always a
good football team, but I don't think anybody's mistaken them
for a college football playoff team. Illinois actually likes to
play very similar now Michigan plays. But I think you're right. Uh.
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I don't like the quarterback situation in Michigan. I haven't
liked it all year. McCarthy could be the guy, but
he's not the guy right now. Mcnamari's hurt. Mcnamary at
least once of games last year and was part of
a college football playoffs situation and then kind of got
Jimmy Jid and then McCarthy ended up keeping this job
as opposed to Trey Lance getting hurt and not being
able to stay on the field for the forty niners.
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But if they can't run the ball, I don't think
they pass it at all. Like I wouldn't be surprised
if they don't have a hundred and fifty yards through
the air against Ohio State. This Ohio State team, I
think is very beatable, just because there's times when they
have a little bit of a rams field to me
in terms of there's a little bit more flash than
there is substance because they again they can go out
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there and play kind of mediocre. Now they can still
win playing mediocre. And it wasn't just them. Pretty much
everybody that was ranked last week in the top ten
struggled to some degree outside of U c. L A
getting the big win, but most of them were able
to escape. Ohio State has more talent than Michigan. We
knew that going into this season. Coorum is the difference maker.
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I don't know what you have on offense if you're Michigan,
if you don't have that guy, and I think you're right.
I think it could easily become, you know, a three
touchdown win for Ohio State of Korum is not himself. Yeah,
that's how I see it, And I like the Jimmy
g comparison. You're right. It's that's why Jim Harbaugh switched quarterbacks.
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That's why he went from Cade McNamara, who was the
quarterback last season when they made it to the playoffs.
They made it to the College Football Playoff, and they
still made a quarterback change because he thought that j. J.
McCarthy had a higher ceiling and he's better than Kate McNamara.
I mean, honestly, I think I I still had a
few throws in me. I think I'm better than Kad
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McNamara at this point. But J J. McCarthy is much better.
And if there's more on his shoulders, I just I
will be like jaw hitting the floor if this is
a j J. McCarthy game and he's just dealing, he's
just dialing them up and they Yeah, I don't see
it at all. I do not see it whatsoever. Their
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formula for success, it's just how you described. It's kind
of like old school Wisconsin. You know, it's run the ball,
it's play good defense. It's not air it out. It's
not throw the ball all over the place and match
points with C. J. Stroud. That's just not how they play.
So if they're forced to lay that way. I just
don't think they're gonna be able to. Right now, who
do you buy into most of the the current top four.
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We're gonna extend this out and talk a little bit
about L s U, v A, v USC and the
college football rankings here maybe in the next segment. But
you saw Georgia. Georgia outlasted Kentucky, but it wasn't a
dominant performance. Ohio State did what Ohio State did against
lesser opposition in Maryland, a team that had gotten blanked
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a week before by Penn State. We saw Michigan escape Illinois.
We saw TCU in the craziest finishing forty seconds, one
of the most disjointed, disorganized looking things. And then Sunny
Dice comes out and says, it only looks frantic. We
practiced it every week. It's like, okay, well it was
one of the especially considering your kicker missed an extra
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point like ten minutes before that and you had him
literally sprint on the field and make the kick. Now
he did make it, and you're still undefeated. But how
are you feeling right now about the top of the
heap in college football? It's Georgia and everybody else right now.
And it's not to say that Georgia can't be beaten.
They can be. Like you mentioned, that was uh less
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than it looked to be more comfortable for Georgia against Kentucky,
but it really wasn't. Like that was a closer game
at the end than it should have been. They barely
beat Missouri. So it's just to point out that they
can be had. We all know how dominant they can be.
They boat roast, boat raced ore Agon. That was a
comfortable win against Tennessee. They're very talented team to defending champs,
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very good defense. We all know that. The rest of
the college football world like, yeah, Ohio State, good, Michigan, good, DC,
you good. But you know, we saw it last week
with Tennessee getting crushed by South Carolina that was the
number five team in the country and they had nothing
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for Spencer Rattler and the game Cocks. You know. So
I just think beyond Georgia, you have these wild results
when it comes to the top teams in college football,
And uh do I think USC could sneak in and
just go just try to out offense Georgia, Yeah, be
kind of interesting. Their defense is so terrible absolutely hideous man.
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We knew last week I was I was on air
with I was on because I was on air with
Aaron Torres and and he kept calling me nostre damas
because I said, after every touchdown was scored in that
USC U c l A game, well, you see it
is about to come down to score like immediately. They
are brutal on defense, which is why I think Caleb
Williams right now would have my vote for the Heisman
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because he has to go out there and get you
fifty a game. He has to go out there and throw,
you know, six touchdown passes. He's gotta run in another
one because he can't have an empty trip because his
defense is gonna give up six in the other way.
And you take away Travis die and for a quarter
of the season, he hasn't had George Madison, He's been
missing other weapons. He has to be special basically on
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every drive for them, and they're gonna lose. Yeah, it's crazy.
And USC had four takeaways last week against U c
l A, gave up forty two points and one by three, right, like,
how does that? How do all those things happen? It
did in that game. Their defense is just a wreck.
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But I think Jason, it's one of these deals where
if we had a twelve team playoff this season, I
think there's the recipe for a lot of crazy things
to happen. Maybe not, you know, like five or six
teams could win it all, but along the way, I
think you could have a lot of wild results. It's
just that type of season in college football. I think
it's Georgia and then everybody else. Is the way it
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stacks up, right, Yes see, I would agree with you,
like I mean, if you got the shot, for example,
to watch Oregon in Michigan, Oregon in Ohio State, some
of these other matchups. I think L s USE a
little bit overrated. I think they're good, but I look
at a two loss L s U team and maybe
we'll do this in the next segment. We can kind
of look at them in USC and and what the
college football playoff rankings are. You would still have Tennessee
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in the mix. But that that's still one of the
most baffling things I've seen. I did not no one
saw sixty three being hung by South Carolina on Tennessee.
And then of course the news got worse with Hendon
Hooker's a c O and hopefully that's not going to
affect him too much in the draft because what an
unbelievable season. But I agree with you. I think that
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there are teams that are dangerous and if you don't
show up with your A game, and we've seen every
one of these teams, including Georgia this year, has shown
up with a B minus or a C plus game,
and I think it speaks to Georgia's talent level that
they've been able to win these games even when they
haven't played their best. Everybody else, when you're playing against
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actual competition, I think you're gonna have to bring your best,
which I don't know what that means for TCU. I
don't think anybody believes TCU is the fourth best team
in the country if you just look at it from talent.
But eventually, you are what your record says you are,
and right now, tc USE record says that they're undefeated
and they control their own destiny. If they're able to
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win out beat Kansas State, beat Iowa State tomorrow, they
will be one of the four, just like Cincinnati was
last year. Yeah, I'm much more of a resume guy
than a hypothetical guy, because there are two ways to
look at it. You look at the resume of TCU,
They're undefeated if they went out there in it's that simple.
I'm more like that because the other way is the
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hypothetical thing of Well, I believe USC is better, and
if they were to meet on a neutral field, I
think USC, well, you could be wrong. You could be
wrong about USC being better on a neutral field. So
I always go by resume and I hear you on TCU.
We're all kind of got the shifty eyes. I think
it's the lack of brand recognition as well. I'll tell
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you this, if USC had the spitting image of t
c US resume, we wouldn't have nearly as many questions
because USC is a brand and TCU isn't. Be sure
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. Oh what's
going on, everybody? Hope you're enjoying your post Thanksgiving festivities.
Black Friday in effect, we got ball going on, we
got hoops, We got soccer going on. I run with
a big win over Wales, t USA getting set to
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take on England. I don't know if you're gonna have
that in the rotation, by the way it sounded, Jason,
what do you have going on at one pm Eastern
time today? A little USA action? It's possible. I mean,
I'm definitely gonna watch some of that. Um White working
a half day today. We obviously have a daughter now
who is not quite two years old, she's about nineteen months,
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so she is certainly going to have our attention today
as well. The Black Friday thing has changed. I used
to get a kick out of, you know, going and
being a part of the rush a little bit and
maybe picking up a few cheap DVDs or some music
or some video games or something like that. It's kind
of shifted now where you just kind of do it online.
And so I already handled the few things that I
wanted to handle last night at like eight or nine pm.
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So it's kind of a different day. It's just kind
of gonna be a lazy day of watching sports. A
lot of good college football today as well, Baylor in
Texas and some other matchups, so I'm gonna be watching
a lot of stuff. By the way, Um, if your
daughter was to root for one of your favorite teams,
you know, I know you're gonna let her root for
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whoever she wants to root for. I know that. But
if she just so happened to really be a die
hard fan of one of your teams, which one would
be your first choice? I mean, I think the oldest
My oldest fandom is either the Atlanta Braids of Denver Broncos.
So I'd probably say one of those. Honestly, like Denver
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since Elway, I mean Elway when I was a kid,
that made them my favorite team. I grew up scoring games.
My dad was an umpire and so we spent a
lot of time at ballparks and we were giant Brads fans,
and so I would say one of the two of those.
I'd be thrilled with either one of them. Um, I
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don't know she's gonna be a sports person or not.
I have no idea, but I would I would say
Broncos a Braids. I'd be happy either way. I like it. Well,
let's talk a little bit about your Broncos, because you
made me realize something and I can't believe I'm this
late to the party. I didn't put two and two
together where we were talking about Brady and Belichick for
a second, just based kind of went there with the conversation.
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But I never thought of the divorce the same way
between Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll, but the way Brady
has won the divorce between he and Belichick. Uh, Pete
Carroll has won the divorce so far between himself and
Russell Wilson. And it's not even close. This is decisive.
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You look at what what Seattle is doing with Geno Smith.
They're way better than Denver is with Russell Wilson. That again,
we're talking about things that blow your mind this season.
That's another thing. I never would have expected Seattle to
basically be twice as good and then some wins and
losses wise than Denver Is this season. Yeah, look, that's
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that's a million percent right. And when you see a split,
you see a winner and a loser. The interesting thing
is in the same division you've got Davantae Adams. Now,
of course there was the split with him and Aaron Rodgers.
It's not going great for either guy. I think you
could look at that entire situation and say, boy, if
Green Bay could undo that, if Aaron Rodgers could find
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a way to do that, would he and maybe would
the Raiders. Even though Davante Adams has been good, they've
been terrible. They've been absolutely brutal with him and gave
up a lot in the process. So we're seeing a
couple of things in a f C West that are
kind of strange, but definitely Pete Carroll looks so much
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better now. Even though this is kind of a short
sample size, and we Russ could be there for five
more years and they could win a Super Bowl or
two along the way. Who knows, uh, it doesn't look
like it's trending in that direction. But Pete Carroll is
your big winner this year, I think in the NFL,
simply because everybody was expecting Seattle to be the worst
team in the league because they were going into the
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season with either Gino Smith or Drew Lock at quarterback.
They were having problems everywhere. Were they just gonna keep
running the ball? The defense hadn't been good in years,
the offensive line hadn't been good in years, And what
you've seen is the exact opposite. Russ got out of there.
Gino has played pretty well all season long, and the
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Broncos have been one of the worst teams in the
league despite the fact that their defense is really good.
So you can't even blame it there. You've got a
head coach that was an offensive minded guy in Green Bay,
and you've got Russell Wilson, one of the biggest brands
in football over the last decade. And it's been Geno
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Smith and Pete Carroll that have won this war. And
I don't know that we've made enough. If I'm Pete Carroll,
I'm grinning year to year right now. Oh, you have
to be absolutely have to be. How about this that
this is amazing? And props to Chris who's with us
our technical producer today. He gave me this that the
Lions running back Jamal Williams, he has scored the equal
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amount of touchdowns as the Broncos this season. Right, Jamal
Williams scored his thirte touchdown yesterday for the Lions. That's
how many touchdowns the Broncos have offensively as a tea
this season. They have as many as Jamal Williams. That's insane.
Luckily I have Jamal Williams on my fantasy team to
help me dry the tears of a just dreadful Broncos
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existence at this point in time. But it couldn't have
gone worse. It's just it couldn't have gone worse than
the question that I asked. I wouldn't sure if we
would touch on it, but I'll throw it out there again. Yeah.
I think many people, not everybody, but most people probably
saw Russell Wilson going to Canton before this season, right?
Is it possible that the narrative has shifted so much
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if things don't turn around either this year or potentially
maybe next year for him. If if this is if
the version of Russ that we've already seen is far
better than the version of Russ that we're gonna get
from this point out, do you think the recency bias
could actually can you play your way out of a
Hall of Fame career many already thought you had by
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going to a new place and being this bad watching
your old ace actually succeed in your absence? Yeah, I
think as it stands right now, subject to change. Yeah,
I actually buy that because let's say that, let's say
Russ didn't play this year, he retired before this season,
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I think it's a Hall of Famer. Would you agree
with that? Do you think he would get in based
on what he had done only in Seattle? Yes? Absolutely.
And again I think that the narrative was always that
Russ was handcuffed by Schottenheimer and the conservative nature of
Pete Carroll. And it wasn't about letting Russ cook. It
was about run the ball on first and second down.
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It's third down in sixteen, Hey, Rusco get us a
first down. It was always It wasn't set up. He
was used more as a decoy despite the fact that
he was a superstar. So I think he was actually
getting the benefit of the doubt in most conversations around
the league. Yeah, and I think right now, let's say
Russ retired after this season, just for the sake of
(37:59):
argue ment. Yeah, I think there is something to that. Now,
you give it years and years. That's the other thing, right,
you give it five years, and maybe you view it
a little bit differently, But you have to think this
is the final impression. Is him playing really badly right
like that is not a good lasting impression to get
(38:21):
into the Hall. So yeah, as of right now, I
think he's eventually going to get there. I think he's
a special player. I don't think this is the version
we're gonna see from here on out from Russ the
rest of his career. I still think he's too special
for this to linger and for him to only be
this guy going forward. So I think he eventually gets
in there. But as of right now, if he walked
(38:43):
away from football after this season, I don't know. I
don't think that he is the lock I once did
for him to get into the Hall. Yeah, I just
I can't believe it's gone this poorly. Yeah, I know, Look,
you lost Williams, you lost defensive layers. But this wide
receiver corps going into the year, all all we had
(39:04):
heard for years, and look at the Broncos fan, I
knew it. There's a lot of talent on that wide
receiver corps, but it just hadn't worked like it's been.
It's been a true disaster. Um Russ's reputation I think
is probably as low as it has ever been. And
that goes back to college, that goes back to Wisconsin,
goes back to NC State, goes to baseball. Prior to
(39:26):
all of that, whenever maybe there was any kind of
a reputation hit. This is it, and I think you
go back and there was a piece written years ago
about the situation in Seattle. It may have been Seth Wickersham.
If it wasn't, it was uh, somebody over at the
athletic I think um. And they talked about how the
(39:47):
legion of Boom. They didn't name him, but you could
tell it was guys like Sherman and some of those
guys that would be on the sidelines wondering why Russ
was getting so much attention for throwing for a hundred
and forty yards in a game and then winning by
twenty points because the defense was that dominant. And I
think a lot of that kind of stuff you can
unearth more of that now because it's very easy to
(40:11):
take shots at Russ. I just I mean, the Broncos
can't score twenty points in a game like I I
can't even watch my own football team play. As big
a Broncos fan as I am, I can't watch this
like I thought at one point, I'm the Jinks. So
I went to a concert the night of the Colts
Thursday night game, and I was like, Oh, we're gonna
(40:32):
be all right. Then I saw how we lost that game. No,
you know what, it's not just me. These guys are
just absolutely terrible. By the way, you know where I
was during that game. I was at the game where
I was added. As bad as that game was, it
(40:52):
was fun. Maybe it was because I went, yeah, oh yeah,
we stayed till the bitter end. But maybe it's because
I had a bet on like the Colts team total
under or something. I'm like, this is beautiful. I love
but I'm just I love football so much, man, And
as ugly as that game was, I will never forget
that game. I'm the guy now where I used to
(41:14):
look sideways at people that were like, oh, yeah, I
went to that game, I'm like, oh yeah, who won?
I'm not sure who were they playing? I I it's
a little fuzzy. I'm like, you were at the game,
how do you not remember? And every now and then
that has happened to me. I will never forget that
twelve to nine Colts Franco's overtime game. Never forget that. Hey,
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while we're talking about QBS and we mentioned Geno Smith's name,
(42:00):
Gino has played very well this season. He has seventeen
touchdown passes this year. That's the most he's ever had
in an NFL season. And so I think what's interesting
is is Baker Mayfield headed for Geno Smith territory. And
what I mean by that is this, So the Panthers
they're gonna start Sam Donald this Sunday. Sam Darnald is
(42:23):
gonna be behind center, No Baker Mayfield, And I started
thinking about with Gino Smith. So Gino Smith started his
first two seasons with the Jets. It didn't go well.
It was six years, he was a backup, and now
he's finally gotten a chance as the starter in Seattle.
(42:44):
Are we gonna see something similar with Baker Mayfield? Because
think about this, when's he gonna get his next real
chance to be the starter? Sam Darnald is starting. You know,
they had p J. Walker starting when Baker Mayfield was
healthy and could have played, they still rolled with with
e J. So are we gonna see the same type
of career path from Geno Smith. Are we gonna see
(43:07):
that from Baker Mayfield that we're seeing with Gino Smith
right now? It could be. I just find that really interesting, Jason,
where if you get a chance to start and you falter,
it could be a long long time until you get
another legitimate chance to start again. Yeah, although we do
live in a universe where Blaine Gabbert keeps getting jobs
(43:30):
and a lot of these other guys do. However, there
is always the added dimension with Baker of your also
taking on Baker Mayfield the human being, and there does
not that he's a bad guy, but there's always drama
that surrounds it. There's always a little bit of a
knock and maybe if you're talking around the league, he
doesn't necessarily have a sterling reputation in that arena. I've
(43:53):
always kind of liked him. I was hoping that this
would be a good year for him. That's not been
a good scenario obviously, with Matt Rule leaving and um
just not having a lot there and then trading McCaffrey away.
It's kind of a place to go and fail, and
maybe there's gonna be some other teams out there that
we're already kind of wanting to do something with Mayfield,
but didn't want any part of doing any kind of
(44:14):
a deal with the Browns that will give him a shot.
Like if you're Houston, would you rather have him than
what you have? Yeah, you would, but you'd also rather
have some other guys that might be out there, or
you might rather draft somebody for the future Mayfield. It's
not I don't think this is like the last opportunity,
but the next one could be. Like, the next one
could be, uh, if it goes as poorly as this
(44:37):
one has. I mean Mayfield losing his job here, not
being able to maintain it, and and them not playing
well with him at quarterback, Like he just hasn't been
able to make them competent in any way. He doesn't
come across as a leader right now. There's nothing about
that scenario that's good. The only thing I would say
is there's nothing about that team in that situation right
now that is good at all. And it's not an
(45:00):
enviable spot to be in, which is hard to say
when you're you know, making good money to be an
NFL quarterback. But he is probably closer to being out
of the league than he is the m v P.
I'll say that what's interesting to me is you might
be better off if you falter as a starting quarterback.
Let's use Zach Wilson as an example, right, like the
(45:22):
Jets current quarterback who was starting. He's now not even
dressing the Sunday against the Bears. But let's just say
it fizzles out for Zack Wilson in New York. That's
the way it's trending. He might be better off whenever
he goes to another team, just being the backup of
a good team instead of the starter of a bad team.
(45:43):
Because we've seen this. It's Baker Mayfield. Baker Mayfield got
a chance to start in Carolina, you know what I mean.
It's like good luck. Now look at where his career is.
He probably would have been better going somewhere else as
a backup to a really good quarterback on a really
good team. And should the starter get hurt, maybe gets
a chance to start three or four games, and if
(46:04):
he plays a lot better, he's gonna get a better opportunity.
It's the long game, you know, And I get yeah,
I get that, you want to be on the field
you want to compete. I get all of that, but man,
in the long run, you might be better off going
from starter to back up and just rebuilding your value
that way. Yeah. I just again, if you're gonna stink,
(46:24):
you better be Marcus Mariota. You better be a dude.
Everybody wants to have around, a guy that can come
in and maybe just hold the ship until what you're
planning on doing for the future. Does anybody think Marcus
is the long term plan in Atlanta? And they never did.
But Arthur Smith worked with Marcus in Tennessee. He knew
that Marcus was one of the classiest guys in the league,
(46:46):
and so your your team was probably gonna be better
off just having him around, even if there was a
skilled deficiency. The problem for Zack Wilson Mayfield some of
these guys is you're not You don't necessarily have that Zack,
and what he did in that press conference is probably
the worst thing we've seen him do. The fact that
he's not playing well is one thing. The fact that
(47:07):
he's handling at this poorly, at that position, specifically where
you're supposed to own it, where you're supposed to be
the guy that to me is the biggest issue for
him moving forward. It could be for Mayfield as well.
Not the Mayfield's not ever taken responsibility for his failure
is quite contrary, but again, personality matters when you're mediocre. Yeah,
(47:29):
it really does.
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