November 28, 2022 • 38 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas, Brady and LaVar reunite for the first time since Thanksgiving and relive Ohio State embarrassing loss to Michigan. The Eagles run all over the Packers who now have a tough decision about Aaron Rodgers and Jordan Love. Plus, Odell Beckham Jr. gets kicked off a plane on In Case You Missed It.
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I thought we were going to get it. Hey, everybody,
how's everybody? We'll post Turkey Day four day extravaganza. How
does everybody feel good? Good? Really? Yeah? Jonas, did you
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actually eat? Yeah? Of course, nanna. I had uh. I
actually went after some pecan. I had pecan pie. Is
it pecan or pecan? I don't know? Okay, is it
pecan a bird? Yeah? I mean too can too can
like to can sam fruit loops, you know. Yeah? But yeah, yeah,
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I ate a little bit. And now was it? That
was that was it? That was all you ate? Was
pecan pie? Um, you know, I had some stuffing, had
some ham, a little bit of turkey, a little bit. Yeah,
I just kind of mixing with vegetarian ham and turkey. Now,
oh yeah, no vegetarian. It was it was meat. Do
you think you're talking? I don't know. I mean I
did have some peppers, was it peppers? Turkey? We know
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we need meat. There is there is a vegan like
roast out there. Funny actually, you know. But yeah, that
was fine. Everything was fine. Eight and uh, we're good
to go a nice little twenty four hour fast today
and I'll be ready backs back to it. Yeah, that
wasn't for you. It was great. I mean it was
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the first time, I want to say, in over two
decades we actually got to spend it as a family
together back home. And and I literally think it was
like my software year of high school. It was the
last time I can remember spending Thanksgiving at home. Yeah,
it was. It was cool. Like I I brought back
all my kids back to Columbus obviously for the game,
but but obviously you know, I want them to meet
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their great grandma, you know, see their grandparents and all that.
It was. It was one of those experiences that I
don't think I'll appreciate it enough now, but I will
in the future. There's no doubt about its um No,
that's the way. How about that ass kicking? About that? Hey?
That was? That was probably the highlight of everybody's weekend.
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You come back to Columbus slash Dublin based on what
that game turned into, because it I mean it was.
There was like a sense of morning I swear to
you being at that game. Seventeen million watched that game,
which was pretty incredible. It's it's I think it's the
largest regular season viewing of a game in eleven years
something like that. Um but it felt like everyone was
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funneling out of the stadium going to a funeral. That
that was the general field. Besides, like the twelve Michigan
fans that were brave enough and courageous enough to go
out and watch their team walk into Columbus on a
beautiful fall day, no wind, no weather, into enemy territory,
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absolutely wiped the matt with Ohio State in the second half.
I mean it was. There's not many times, man turn
that off. Man, I don't mind, because it's deserving. I
always mind. And by the way, count me as one
of the people was dead wrong about that. I thought
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that was gonna be Ohio State walking away with it,
especially considering some of the matchups, and and Michigan just
outcoached them, outplayed them, out toughed them. It was domination
the second, you know what it felt like. It seemed
like Ohio State said, all right, we're not giving up
yards on the ground, so we know they can't throw
on us, so let's just sell out on the run.
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There's no way they can beat us down the field.
And then they did it once and it was like, okay,
well that's fine, We'll let it get let it get
by us one time. And then it happened again, and
then it happened a third time and they said, all right,
we might have a little bit of a problem, but no,
no, no no, only we're still gonna stop. And then they
gave up that long run to Donovan Edwards and that
was it. It was over backfield to on top of that,
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like you didn't even have a healthy backfield core matte
what two carries in that game. Yeah, but Edwards is
very capable. I mean, he's a nice one, but he
messed up, messed up his his thumb. He was supposed
to get surgery depending on how things went, maybe this week.
But I can't imagine that that's the case. I mean,
obviously they got to play in the Big Ten championship game,
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and then obviously they'll they'll win that and go onto
the playoff. I assume they'll win that game. I think, O,
how State? May you know? We always had the conver
station about their coverage. They stay in man coverage and
and their their secondary is arguably probably the weakest link
of their defense more often than not. And that hasn't
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been that way in a while though, Like that's what's
weird the last few years. People don't go after them.
People really do not go I do. I have not
understood why people do not go after Ohio State more aggressively.
I guess because you feel like if you make a mistake,
they're gonna make you pay for it on offense, if
you get a if you get a turnover, if it
doesn't go the way you expected it. But I mean,
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I give Hardball credit because it was an aggressive approach,
like it's it's finally somebody came out and was like, look, man,
win or lose, when draw, we're going We're going to
go downfield. We're gonna stay true to running the ball.
And I thought the game plan was fairly simple. It
was fairly simple. The route, the route progressions were fairly simple.
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You just they had to cover, they had to be
able to cover, and they weren't covering guys. I just
I don't know. They may have exposed Ohio State if
you asked me, I don't know that that they exposed.
I think it was it was fairly simple what they did.
And when you go back and watch it, I had
a chance to kind of go back and come him
through it last night because I remember watching a real
time thinking is it that simple? If you go back
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to the in particular the fourth quarter, because it really
wasn't that that that bat of a ball game till
the fourth quarter. Michigan at that point. Obviously Ohio State
led at the half, and what they did was they
put an eleven personnel, which is three wide receivers, one
side and one running back, and they ran the football.
They forced Ohio States defense, their nickel defense, to try
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to match up and then really test their run gap integrity,
and then when they wanted to throw the football. You
can go back throughout the game and look at this.
They put in their twelve personnel, the two tight end sets,
to wide receivers, one running back, and so they put
in the big personel throw and find those matchups versus
the safeties in coverage with the exception there's one bullet
zero that that Jason McCarthy cut through out there and
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Cornelius Johnson made a great play. But then when they
want to run the football, they put in a small
personnel and they were like, you're small guys, can't figure
out how to be how to run fit and stop
our rushing attack. And that was ultimately what made the
difference in the fourth quarter. I think that that was
one of those type of games we'll see, we'll see
if they if it was exposure. I'll say this their defense,
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how States defense has bailed them out the last couple
of weeks, the Maryland week, the Penn State week. Their
defense came through and helped them get ahold of of
the game when the offense did not did not get
it done in terms of you know, handling handling it
at being a high scoring offense, the defense wasn't able
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to do that this week. But I just thought that
the share aggressiveness of how they went downfield. Everybody's talking about,
Oh McCarthy, it was mc mccarthur. What was arthy? Harthy
couldn't put you know, he's never had to throw a
downfield that we don't know if he can. He's never
had this type of test. A dude was dropping bombs
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on him. There was a lot of it felt like
there was a lot of ego with Ohio State too, Like,
no possible way that they can match throw for throw
with us with that guy at quarterback, We've got a
Heisman Trophy candidate, we got a you know, top three pick.
And look, dude, I spent a month with his team.
That was all justified. I mean outside of outside of
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watching them in non conference beat up on Hawaii and
Yukon and you know whoever else they they didn't display
that they So I think the brilliance of Horrorball was
not only the second half adjustments, but the fact that
they must have felt like they could do it. They
just wanted to release at the right time to do so,
and this was it. So like, you can't count that
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statistically speaking, once they got in a big tent play,
the stats just don't back that up. Like J J.
McCarthy struggled when they did it, and they for whatever reason,
did really try to do it very often, and to
be quite honest, like they didn't need to like it.
And I think that was what was amazing about it
is Jim Harbaugh went back to like the Bo Shimbeckler
days and was like, we're gonna run it, and we're
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gonna run it, and we're gonna run it and then
we're gonna throw it when we feel like we need to.
And you gotta be able to play defense. That their
defensive game plan was strolling as well. I mean they
limited their opportunities, you know that. I think they did
a fine job and and a lot of people you
know that defensive front from Michigan. I mean it's a
it's a serious defensive front. I mean it's just as
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to me, they're just as impressive as they wear last year.
So I mean, maybe not quite as impressive, but close close.
And Andreas there right there, yeah, I mean I would
say that that. I mean, I don't know that they
have Aidan Hutchinson, but the kid with the dreadlocks, I'm
I'm blanking on his name right now. He's pretty. He's
a pretty dope defensive linement man, the defense end they have.
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He's I mean, there's no drop off that Mike Morris
was banged up in it. He didn't play as much
a factor. But the Mazzi Smith kid their their nose.
That dude makes everything go. I mean, Junior Coulson's good,
he leaves him and tackles. But to your point, like,
I don't I don't know that they've got any you know,
blaring first round like top of the draft picks like
they had a year ago. Whoever, who's the producer for
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the big newon kickoff games? Like who produces it? Who's
in charge of that? Is the producer? And then Rich
Dewey is the director? All Right, they did a phenomenal job.
After after the first Donovan Edwards long touchdown run, they
just started panning to different people in the crowd and
they were they were in a state of shock, disgusting,
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fantastic little about it, Like what what's the excuse? But
what's the excuse? Last year's inn arbor, it's the weather,
it's everything else, and you're just going, Okay, you guys,
tell me what's the excuse. Senior day, we talked about it.
We talked about it in the off season. Oh revenge Ohio.
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I think I even remember. It was Texas A and
M Alabama and Ohio State Michigan, and we all said, man,
this is gonna be Alabama getting revenge on Texas A
and M this year, and it's gonna be Ohio State
getting revenge on Michigan at home. No way they let
this happen in Michigan took it from that. See what
was all by himself on his prediction. Y'all put him
under the under the you know, y'all put him. He's
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he's been that way for the entire wall. He's he's
been that way through years where they lost to Michigan State,
and they lost to Penn State, and they lost to
Ohio State. Like he's been that way forever. He's never
once picked anyone but Michigan. But it looked good. It
looked good on Saturday though. Yeah, every once in a
while it was the only one. Yeah, they say the
sunshines on a blind dog that at least once in
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its life. I mean that is how the saying, oh
man I was it was phenomenal that blind dog had
son on his aunts on Saturday. I tell you that
it was fun to watch eleven and No versus eleven
and No. That was that was a hell of a
game to watch. That was interesting. Narrative behind is just
you know, if you're Ryan Day, I'll put it this way.
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That is the most losses in Ohio state coaches had
dating back to John Cooper. But that that spans over
eighteen years. That's the Urban Meyer tenure. That's look Fickle
and then Jim Trussell combined all three of those coaches.
Obviously Fickle only served for a year, but all three
of those coaches. How to combine two losses to Michigan, Well,
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combined two losses. Now now now the heat starts to
scratching it up for Ryan Day. That's ridiculous. Only Urban
could come back and fix this like that's like, this
is crazy. It was crazy to meet to see the
responses to them losing. It was crazy, like people really
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were talking about, we need to get a coach and Jane,
those is only losses in Big ten plays period like
it at all? He are yes because the Urban the
field goal block that where we beat him, that was
Urban Meyer. I believe Yeah, Days only got two losses
in Big ten Plug yes, but I'll tell you what
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for people who don't understand nationally, that can be it
for you. Go back and look at John Cooper's record
while I was at Ohio State. He want to wear
a Hunter games. Dude, he couldn't beat Michigan. And then
the bull game thing didn't help either. But honestly, the
bull games back then become kind of what they are now.
Or you played a lot of guys who were going
to play like the following year because the game one
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his thing is meaningful at that point if they weren't
playing in the national a national Champions of Caliber type
game or a New Year's Day Bowl, like if you
played in that second tier of bowl game, Dudes, was
just kind of like, man, next year or I'm off,
I'm off, like I'm out out to the next next level.
You know. Yeah, I mean listen, that's that's that's kind
of crazy. I mean, you guys have said, hey, we'd
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rather beat Michigan, beat Ohio State then to win a
national title there got the response to it was was amazing. Yeah,
I don't think anybody could have foresaw it going that way. No,
maybe close game, but blow it open. You know, it's
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get it done. Uh, they continue to roll there. They
get it done last night in prime time over the
Green Bay Packers. Who, Um, I guess you're right, Brady.
Green Bay just can't really stop the run all that well,
just not not really a strength of their football team
at this point, nos for for a while there. Um,
that's a unique rushing attack to stop, and you've got
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to stop Jalen Hurts as part of it. I just look,
I don't want to geek out on on scheme and stuff.
I love watch what they what they're doing. You know,
it's fun to watch what Shane Styke in their o
C and Nick Sirianni are doing. It's almost like to
bring some of the college concepts now to the NFL,
and it's seldom that you see it on offense be
able to do that and last and consistently be successful
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in doing it. And I shouldn't call it college concepts.
It's just it's things that you don't see in the NFL.
You know, it's kind of unique, it's rare, and it's
it's really how they space things. You know that they'll
put two receivers on each side of the formation out
wide in a stacked alignment, and they'll basically force a
defense to say, Okay, you either need to match up
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with our guys on the outside and take that away,
or you have to take away our ability to run
the football with the amount of defenders you put in
the box, meeting around the off of line, the line
of scrimmage. And they they'll do this throughout the course
of a game, and it doesn't seem like it's like
a big deal, but it makes things so difficult on
the defense. And I'm sure LaVar you can speak this
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from playing and coaching like it's not that complicated. But
when you're talking about a team as talented as they are,
with the mismatches they can create, and then Jalen Hurts
and his dual threat ability, it's a nightmare. Like so
I don't want to like harp on the Packers rush
defense last night too much, only because in general they've struggled.
But that, like Philly is just such a unique offense
and unique challenge this season. It's all about the numbers, right,
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Like you you counted out. Like when I'm doing defensive schemes,
I try to count it out, like, Okay, this side
has five guys, alright, this side has six guys. Okay,
you look at and you said, all right. I don't
really necessarily have to count the quarterback per se, But
in the games that I've had to count the quarterback,
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it's much more stressful to say, okay with my count on,
trying to to figure out if if I can get
more guys to each side playing defense, if that's possible. So,
and I'm sure this is how the defensive coordinators are
looking at it at the pro level as well. What
are the personnel groupings? Within those personnel groupings, what is
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happening to the stronger side? Right they You may have
you know, seven guys to one side, and and it's like, okay,
are they are they more dominant to go those ways?
Are they not? Are they going out the other side?
And once you set your defenses to be able to
try to do the coverage aspect of it, but also
manage the run. It is difficult when you have a
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quarterback that can can can run when you it's like, okay,
third down, we know this is a passing down. We're
gonna bring our our you know will widen out. Our
defensive ends will get them further out. We'll bring them.
But if they come too far up filled and you
saw it happen last night, he'll come underneath you. And
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now that one defender that you were hoping your edge
Russier would would buy your linebackers time to be in
coverage and then come up and make the play. If
he runs, it doesn't work that way because they're able.
He's able to get out of there. He's so elusive,
but he's athletic enough to be a running back. So
it's definitely a difficult proposition when you have an RPO
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style quarterback and a quarterback that not only can read
the field and throw the ball because their quick game
was really clicking yesterday, and then you're able to to
establish the run and they're gonna beat you up inside
of the tackles, which is you know, accessing the B
gap is generally what what is most important in in
a in a run attack, they want to get the
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be gaps. That was always what you told me. You're
I mean always the B gap is just it's horrible,
It's horrible. You know, Yeah, access the B gap. You know,
you know exactly what you're talking about. But yeah, you're right,
I mean, you know, because it could be that could
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be a very dark place that could hut can talk
about this, Jonas, Is that a rap? Fair? And Rogers,
I mean, look at the game was kind of over.
He leaves as an oblique injury, even though he's been
heroically playing through Divulsion for action this thumb heroically, I mean,
he was throwing some some some dark um. But you
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think that'said Jonas Um. He said that if there's still
mathematically alive, he wants to be out there. And he
actually spoke after the game, and this was Rogers talking
about his optimism for wanting to play next week. You
take a listen, you know, as long as I check
out fine tomorrow, expect to play this weekend. Oh you
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think you He was only to check out okay tomorrow.
And it was in the first half and then got
kind of reaggravating the third quarter. Just had an hard
time breathing and rotating him upper body. So I was
worried about punctured along as well. So I want to
get that checked out. They have no shot of making
the playoffs. They didn't have a shot going into this game.
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It's a done deal. And if I were, don't you
at some point We got to see a little glimpse
of it last night, but don't you at some point
want to see at least what she got in Jordan's
love because they have some decisions on him, right They've
got to decide if they want to pick up the
option for next year. I I just think at this point, like,
what are we doing here. He's got a busted up thumb,
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he's got busted up ribs. Now you're not going to
make the playoffs. I know he wants to play. You
paid him a lot of money, but at some point
you gotta be able to see what the future does
look like, if this is the direction that you want
to go. And I just think Matt Lafleur, who said
afterwards that, look, I'm not ready to make a decision
on shutting him down. What are we doing it for?
You know what this is like like people who buy
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like a second home, like a vacation home. You know,
it's like a luxury right to be able to have that.
But there's people who buy it and then they never
use it. It just sits there. It's like cost of
the tax dollars. It's cost them money, and like the
idea of it. You're always like, oh man, but we can,
we can go there every once in a while, and
you do and you enjoy it, but you like never
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fully commit to it to really see what it would
be like to live there. You know, it's just the
idea of going there for a weekend or maybe like
a week once a year. It's it's kind of like that,
like they're like so hesitant, and I think it's I mean,
it's a park because how much they're paying them. I mean,
you're paying them fifty million dollars this year. It's like
you're really going to at this point, twelve games into
the season, where you might still mathematically have a shot,
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just say well, just you know, you're banged doublet. Let's
see what Jordan's love can do. I mean, that's that's
that's a tough pill to swallow. Right, Like if someone
told you, hey, you're gonna dump a bunch of money
into a beach home as your second home, your vacation
on where you're gonna retire, but you can't use it
for the next I don't know two years, You're probably
sitting there being like, wait, why am I paying for this? Then?
Like why do I saw this thing? Is buy something
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two years from now? Let me go. Let me ask
you guys this. If Jordan's love comes and they don't
make this decision, and he comes in and plays well
because he did. Look he made him through. Yeah you
Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, And I think it's it's almost was.
I forget how many years to the day, but it's
almost exactly the date when that happened. And it was
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and they were talking about last night as Collinsworth was
actually on the call for that game. I mean, I
gotta tell you. I mean this, Aaron Rodgers. I mean,
he's got he's got a heck of an arm, but
I mean he's not bred farm. We got a lee.
But if if Jordan's love comes in and plays well
the rest of the season, what's the decision afterwards? Because
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if they decide all right, I mean, we we feel
like we've got something here. Did they try and unload Rogers?
Because I don't think Rogers is just gonna walk away.
Did they try and move him, like, what's the plan?
Comes in and plays well. I think it's gonna be
fastened to see where he could potentially go. Because Garoppolo
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is a free agent AF this year, you can't franchise
tag him, so forty have to make decision on him.
You obviously got the situation in New York, and Mike
White looked great. I don't know that they're gonna view
him as their long term answer. Um maybe they would
be a player and all of that the most interesting
thing to me. I mean, it seems like Houston, who
need a quarterback, but they'll probably look to the draft,
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and who knows what's gonna happen there, and and and
you could throw in l A and I don't know,
you know, Stafford's probably done for the rest of the season.
It looked like Sean McVeigh even got knocked out on
the sidelines of that game as well, and concussion protocol.
But I was just gonna say Denver. I was just
gonna say Denver because here's the reality of Denver. The
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Wollen family bought it after they had already hired Nathaniel Hackett,
George Payton, their general manager, who had who hired him,
So they don't have any ties to really the general
manager who was there when they bought the team, or
really the head coach who was hired before they bought it. Well,
the order backs a different story because you did you
did sign him to that contract. Now, they didn't trade
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for him, but they did sign him to that contract.
So I almost wonder if if things are so bad
in Denver, that they wouldn't just say, um, where's that
reset button around here? It was that big red up
there it is, and just level the whole thing. Try.
But the problem is then you're selling low on Russell, right,
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You've got this bloated contract, he's not playing up to.
Who's gonna trade for that? And that that's I think
part of the difficult part of that conversation, because you're
not gonna cut him. And again, if you're gonna trade him,
you know you have to get a significant compensation in
order to take on the contract and take on a
guy who doesn't look like he was playing like he
was in Seattle, So I think San Francisco and the
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Jets are the two most interesting teams. Maybe even the
Giants too, depending on how you view Daniel Jones in
that situation, that'd be another team to keep in mind.
This is a winning situation for Jordan Love though, and
it's it's interesting because with Aaron Rodgers, I gotta I mean,
if you really are looking at this from a critical eye,
why even continue on? If you're Aaron Rodgers, like get
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your thumb fixed, enjoy, enjoy your season like he for
for that type of injury, and and and I was
gonna say it, but you know, it seemed like kind
of like just a simple one. Um. You know, he
can he can ultimately show up when he wants to
show up, like when you go when you get when
you get deactivated for the rest of the season. I mean,
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what he should. He he might have to show up
once a day for his treatment, but there's a chance
that he says, well, I'm gonna get my treatment here,
and and all he has to do is make sure
that that the person he's doing his rehab with is
is keeping in contact with the team, the team um
trainer or whatever. So he's in a situation where if
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he decides he wants to get his thumb repaired and
be dumb for the season, he doesn't even have to
be around. He doesn't have to be around. And I
wonder if he's if he's entertaining that, because look, most
most athletes, when they find themselves in a situation like this,
who understand the business? It's a business decision, right And
and people can say they can lie and be like, no,
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I'm a team player. That's not the hell. If you are,
you're gonna sit there and you're gonna be like, here's
what my situation is. And I can actually have an
extended off season because I can start my off season
right now. The reason why I think that this is
advantageous for for Jordan Love is you come in under
any other circumstances than what's going on right now. There
is a ton of pressure for Jordan's Love to live
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up to the expectation of what has been the quarterback's
position since you know, obviously Brett Farve and and now
Aaron Rodger's had like thirty years of Hall of Fame
quarterback place. So so, but right now you're having a
struggling season, and the focus isn't on you need to
be a stellar quarterback, Jordan love you. The focus is
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thing like can he can he play? Like can we
can we get a little bit of a win here?
Like can he throw a couple of touchdown passes? Can
we be competitive? Can we get a couple more wins?
And now all of a sudden, I mean, look at
what we were just saying about Ryan Day, like a
week ago. Everybody's like Ryan Day, Ryan Day today where
people are like, man, we need to get Urban Meyer
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backed to be able to have a good season. The
dude only has two losses. So so the point is
Jordan's love is in a situation where all he has
to do is give the fan base some hope. You
don't have to go out there and try to be
Brett for for Aaron Rodgers, just go out there and
give the team some hope. It's actually an advantageous moment
(30:44):
for him just because of how bad the team is
doing and how they're struggling right now, and and for
what it's worth, that was probably one of Aaron Rodgers
best games. He was playing pretty well, he didn't look bad.
He had he had the picks, but I mean, he
makes that first pick, was like the guy got hit
hit off is like it's a deflection, Like I'm not
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even gonna put that on a rod. He was throwing
some good balls. He looked like he was poised. He
looked like he was trying to win the game, and
he looked like he was good. Like you hope he
was trying to win it. He's a guy. He doesn't
throw bad picks either. You know, like when when he
throws a pick, if it does look bad, it's probably
a miscommunication. Someone felt something happened. You know. It's there's
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there's guys when you throw you throw picks, you go,
this guy just does it gain he's not a decision maker,
Like he's not gonna make it. And there's guys who
throw picks and you're like, okay, I can see that.
I mean, like Carson Wentz throwing a left handed interception
last year, like that was an example of like, yeah,
you'll and by the way, now he'll make some throws
to make you wow, you know, but then he'll make
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that decision. You go, wow, it's just I'm telling you bad.
Sitting in a quarterback room on a Monday after the
game and you start coming through like other teams looking
for plays, watching other guys, like especially like Radi and Rogers.
You're like, everyone's always watched. You'll watch some of that
and you'll just be like, Yeah, I can understand why
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he did that, or I can understand why I went there.
There's some dudes you watch You're like, Nope, he just
either didn't see that dude, or he just got panicked
and he just threw it up there. Pros and a
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asked his uh. His lawyer has disputed the account, saying
that that oh b J was sleeping and that the
incident was the result of an over zealous flight attendant. Yeah,
that's an interesting one there, because I had fallen asleep
while the plane has been down on the ground. But
I mean, I think the report said they were asking
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him to put his his seatbelt on and he kept refusing. Yeah.
See to me, that's where like at the amount of
time it took for you to the dispute, like saying no,
I don't want to put my seatbelt on or anything
like that, Just click your seatbelt. Like for the most part,
those those flight attendants, they're just trying to do their job,
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trying to do their job, like just click it and
and or get a ticket. But he didn't click it.
They weren't telling her to put a mask on. You know.
It's like just click your seatbelt, you can go back
to sleep, right back to sleep. Like click your seatbelt,
go right back to sleep. Bro. I ain't nobody ever
got removed from an airplane because they were tired and
we're falling asleep before the plane took off light. Let's
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let's be clear there. I don't like that. I traveled
too much, so I've seen both ends of the spectrum.
I saw a guy last night who bumped into an
old lady. He was going back to get his luggage,
which I'll say this, he got on the plane first
because he needed extra time. Supposedly, the guy was six
ft four, had no physical and with nothing. He just
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had a small little lapdog with him that he had
as a service dog. I may be going out on
a limb here, but I'm gonna go ahead and say
based on how this guy then spoke to the older husband,
because after he bumped the lady, the husband said something
to him that he's trying to get into it with
a seven year old man. I was like, Okay, there's
nothing wrong with that guy. He's just an a hole,
all right, anyone to boid the plane first because he
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had his his lapdog service talk. I digress. I've seen
both ends of it. You've got Obrazella's flight a send
and he wants to prove a point and power. But
I've also seen people who like are just unresponsive or
for whatever reason, just don't want to obey like what
they're asking me to do. The truth is probably somewhere
in the middle. It's just bad look for a dude
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who's supposed to going on a free agent tour right now. Yeah,
it's a bad look. I'm sorry. Click it, that's all
click it you give. Just be responsive and respectful, you know,
Because I also wonder if he just wouldn't respond to
any request to put his seatbelt on, or just see
if he did. Well, it wasn't that supposedly he put
the blanket up over his head for it was asleep.
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Was that's what his his agent or attorney said, And
so maybe they couldn't tell whether or not he had
the seatbelt on. And if he's unresponsive, then you might
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I thought we were going to get it. Hey, everybody,
how's everybody? We'll post Turkey Day four day extravaganza. How
does everybody feel good? Good? Really? Yeah? Jonas, did you
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actually eat? Yeah? Of course, nanna. I had uh. I
actually went after some pecan. I had pecan pie. Is
it pecan or pecan? I don't know? Okay, is it
pecan a bird? Yeah? I mean too can too can
like to can sam fruit loops, you know. Yeah? But yeah, yeah,
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I ate a little bit. And now was it? That
was that was it? That was all you ate? Was
pecan pie? Um, you know, I had some stuffing, had
some ham, a little bit of turkey, a little bit. Yeah,
I just kind of mixing with vegetarian ham and turkey. Now,
oh yeah, no vegetarian. It was it was meat. Do
you think you're talking? I don't know. I mean I
did have some peppers, was it peppers? Turkey? We know
(02:40):
we need meat. There is there is a vegan like
roast out there. Funny actually, you know. But yeah, that
was fine. Everything was fine. Eight and uh, we're good
to go a nice little twenty four hour fast today
and I'll be ready backs back to it. Yeah, that
wasn't for you. It was great. I mean it was
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the first time, I want to say, in over two
decades we actually got to spend it as a family
together back home. And and I literally think it was
like my software year of high school. It was the
last time I can remember spending Thanksgiving at home. Yeah,
it was. It was cool. Like I I brought back
all my kids back to Columbus obviously for the game,
but but obviously you know, I want them to meet
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their great grandma, you know, see their grandparents and all that.
It was. It was one of those experiences that I
don't think I'll appreciate it enough now, but I will
in the future. There's no doubt about its um No,
that's the way. How about that ass kicking? About that? Hey?
That was? That was probably the highlight of everybody's weekend.
(03:43):
You come back to Columbus slash Dublin based on what
that game turned into, because it I mean it was.
There was like a sense of morning I swear to
you being at that game. Seventeen million watched that game,
which was pretty incredible. It's it's I think it's the
largest regular season viewing of a game in eleven years
something like that. Um but it felt like everyone was
(04:05):
funneling out of the stadium going to a funeral. That
that was the general field. Besides, like the twelve Michigan
fans that were brave enough and courageous enough to go
out and watch their team walk into Columbus on a
beautiful fall day, no wind, no weather, into enemy territory,
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absolutely wiped the matt with Ohio State in the second half.
I mean it was. There's not many times, man turn
that off. Man, I don't mind, because it's deserving. I
always mind. And by the way, count me as one
of the people was dead wrong about that. I thought
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that was gonna be Ohio State walking away with it,
especially considering some of the matchups, and and Michigan just
outcoached them, outplayed them, out toughed them. It was domination
the second, you know what it felt like. It seemed
like Ohio State said, all right, we're not giving up
yards on the ground, so we know they can't throw
on us, so let's just sell out on the run.
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There's no way they can beat us down the field.
And then they did it once and it was like, okay,
well that's fine, We'll let it get let it get
by us one time. And then it happened again, and
then it happened a third time and they said, all right,
we might have a little bit of a problem, but no,
no, no no, only we're still gonna stop. And then they
gave up that long run to Donovan Edwards and that
was it. It was over backfield to on top of that,
(05:32):
like you didn't even have a healthy backfield core matte
what two carries in that game. Yeah, but Edwards is
very capable. I mean, he's a nice one, but he
messed up, messed up his his thumb. He was supposed
to get surgery depending on how things went, maybe this week.
But I can't imagine that that's the case. I mean,
obviously they got to play in the Big Ten championship game,
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and then obviously they'll they'll win that and go onto
the playoff. I assume they'll win that game. I think, O,
how State? May you know? We always had the conver
station about their coverage. They stay in man coverage and
and their their secondary is arguably probably the weakest link
of their defense more often than not. And that hasn't
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been that way in a while though, Like that's what's
weird the last few years. People don't go after them.
People really do not go I do. I have not
understood why people do not go after Ohio State more aggressively.
I guess because you feel like if you make a mistake,
they're gonna make you pay for it on offense, if
you get a if you get a turnover, if it
doesn't go the way you expected it. But I mean,
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I give Hardball credit because it was an aggressive approach,
like it's it's finally somebody came out and was like, look, man,
win or lose, when draw, we're going We're going to
go downfield. We're gonna stay true to running the ball.
And I thought the game plan was fairly simple. It
was fairly simple. The route, the route progressions were fairly simple.
(06:57):
You just they had to cover, they had to be
able to cover, and they weren't covering guys. I just
I don't know. They may have exposed Ohio State if
you asked me, I don't know that that they exposed.
I think it was it was fairly simple what they did.
And when you go back and watch it, I had
a chance to kind of go back and come him
through it last night because I remember watching a real
time thinking is it that simple? If you go back
(07:20):
to the in particular the fourth quarter, because it really
wasn't that that that bat of a ball game till
the fourth quarter. Michigan at that point. Obviously Ohio State
led at the half, and what they did was they
put an eleven personnel, which is three wide receivers, one
side and one running back, and they ran the football.
They forced Ohio States defense, their nickel defense, to try
(07:44):
to match up and then really test their run gap integrity,
and then when they wanted to throw the football. You
can go back throughout the game and look at this.
They put in their twelve personnel, the two tight end sets,
to wide receivers, one running back, and so they put
in the big personel throw and find those matchups versus
the safeties in coverage with the exception there's one bullet
zero that that Jason McCarthy cut through out there and
(08:04):
Cornelius Johnson made a great play. But then when they
want to run the football, they put in a small
personnel and they were like, you're small guys, can't figure
out how to be how to run fit and stop
our rushing attack. And that was ultimately what made the
difference in the fourth quarter. I think that that was
one of those type of games we'll see, we'll see
if they if it was exposure. I'll say this their defense,
(08:28):
how States defense has bailed them out the last couple
of weeks, the Maryland week, the Penn State week. Their
defense came through and helped them get ahold of of
the game when the offense did not did not get
it done in terms of you know, handling handling it
at being a high scoring offense, the defense wasn't able
(08:48):
to do that this week. But I just thought that
the share aggressiveness of how they went downfield. Everybody's talking about,
Oh McCarthy, it was mc mccarthur. What was arthy? Harthy
couldn't put you know, he's never had to throw a
downfield that we don't know if he can. He's never
had this type of test. A dude was dropping bombs
(09:08):
on him. There was a lot of it felt like
there was a lot of ego with Ohio State too, Like,
no possible way that they can match throw for throw
with us with that guy at quarterback, We've got a
Heisman Trophy candidate, we got a you know, top three pick.
And look, dude, I spent a month with his team.
That was all justified. I mean outside of outside of
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watching them in non conference beat up on Hawaii and
Yukon and you know whoever else they they didn't display
that they So I think the brilliance of Horrorball was
not only the second half adjustments, but the fact that
they must have felt like they could do it. They
just wanted to release at the right time to do so,
and this was it. So like, you can't count that
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statistically speaking, once they got in a big tent play,
the stats just don't back that up. Like J J.
McCarthy struggled when they did it, and they for whatever reason,
did really try to do it very often, and to
be quite honest, like they didn't need to like it.
And I think that was what was amazing about it
is Jim Harbaugh went back to like the Bo Shimbeckler
days and was like, we're gonna run it, and we're
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gonna run it, and we're gonna run it and then
we're gonna throw it when we feel like we need to.
And you gotta be able to play defense. That their
defensive game plan was strolling as well. I mean they
limited their opportunities, you know that. I think they did
a fine job and and a lot of people you
know that defensive front from Michigan. I mean it's a
it's a serious defensive front. I mean it's just as
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to me, they're just as impressive as they wear last year.
So I mean, maybe not quite as impressive, but close close.
And Andreas there right there, yeah, I mean I would
say that that. I mean, I don't know that they
have Aidan Hutchinson, but the kid with the dreadlocks, I'm
I'm blanking on his name right now. He's pretty. He's
a pretty dope defensive linement man, the defense end they have.
(10:58):
He's I mean, there's no drop off that Mike Morris
was banged up in it. He didn't play as much
a factor. But the Mazzi Smith kid their their nose.
That dude makes everything go. I mean, Junior Coulson's good,
he leaves him and tackles. But to your point, like,
I don't I don't know that they've got any you know,
blaring first round like top of the draft picks like
they had a year ago. Whoever, who's the producer for
(11:19):
the big newon kickoff games? Like who produces it? Who's
in charge of that? Is the producer? And then Rich
Dewey is the director? All Right, they did a phenomenal job.
After after the first Donovan Edwards long touchdown run, they
just started panning to different people in the crowd and
they were they were in a state of shock, disgusting,
(11:41):
fantastic little about it, Like what what's the excuse? But
what's the excuse? Last year's inn arbor, it's the weather,
it's everything else, and you're just going, Okay, you guys,
tell me what's the excuse. Senior day, we talked about it.
We talked about it in the off season. Oh revenge Ohio.
(12:02):
I think I even remember. It was Texas A and
M Alabama and Ohio State Michigan, and we all said, man,
this is gonna be Alabama getting revenge on Texas A
and M this year, and it's gonna be Ohio State
getting revenge on Michigan at home. No way they let
this happen in Michigan took it from that. See what
was all by himself on his prediction. Y'all put him
under the under the you know, y'all put him. He's
(12:24):
he's been that way for the entire wall. He's he's
been that way through years where they lost to Michigan State,
and they lost to Penn State, and they lost to
Ohio State. Like he's been that way forever. He's never
once picked anyone but Michigan. But it looked good. It
looked good on Saturday though. Yeah, every once in a
while it was the only one. Yeah, they say the
sunshines on a blind dog that at least once in
(12:45):
its life. I mean that is how the saying, oh
man I was it was phenomenal that blind dog had
son on his aunts on Saturday. I tell you that
it was fun to watch eleven and No versus eleven
and No. That was that was a hell of a
game to watch. That was interesting. Narrative behind is just
you know, if you're Ryan Day, I'll put it this way.
(13:05):
That is the most losses in Ohio state coaches had
dating back to John Cooper. But that that spans over
eighteen years. That's the Urban Meyer tenure. That's look Fickle
and then Jim Trussell combined all three of those coaches.
Obviously Fickle only served for a year, but all three
of those coaches. How to combine two losses to Michigan, Well,
(13:30):
combined two losses. Now now now the heat starts to
scratching it up for Ryan Day. That's ridiculous. Only Urban
could come back and fix this like that's like, this
is crazy. It was crazy to meet to see the
responses to them losing. It was crazy, like people really
(13:52):
were talking about, we need to get a coach and Jane,
those is only losses in Big ten plays period like
it at all? He are yes because the Urban the
field goal block that where we beat him, that was
Urban Meyer. I believe Yeah, Days only got two losses
in Big ten Plug yes, but I'll tell you what
(14:16):
for people who don't understand nationally, that can be it
for you. Go back and look at John Cooper's record
while I was at Ohio State. He want to wear
a Hunter games. Dude, he couldn't beat Michigan. And then
the bull game thing didn't help either. But honestly, the
bull games back then become kind of what they are now.
Or you played a lot of guys who were going
to play like the following year because the game one
(14:37):
his thing is meaningful at that point if they weren't
playing in the national a national Champions of Caliber type
game or a New Year's Day Bowl, like if you
played in that second tier of bowl game, Dudes, was
just kind of like, man, next year or I'm off,
I'm off, like I'm out out to the next next level.
You know. Yeah, I mean listen, that's that's that's kind
of crazy. I mean, you guys have said, hey, we'd
(14:59):
rather beat Michigan, beat Ohio State then to win a
national title there got the response to it was was amazing. Yeah,
I don't think anybody could have foresaw it going that way. No,
maybe close game, but blow it open. You know, it's
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get it done. Uh, they continue to roll there. They
get it done last night in prime time over the
Green Bay Packers. Who, Um, I guess you're right, Brady.
Green Bay just can't really stop the run all that well,
just not not really a strength of their football team
at this point, nos for for a while there. Um,
that's a unique rushing attack to stop, and you've got
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to stop Jalen Hurts as part of it. I just look,
I don't want to geek out on on scheme and stuff.
I love watch what they what they're doing. You know,
it's fun to watch what Shane Styke in their o
C and Nick Sirianni are doing. It's almost like to
bring some of the college concepts now to the NFL,
and it's seldom that you see it on offense be
able to do that and last and consistently be successful
(18:27):
in doing it. And I shouldn't call it college concepts.
It's just it's things that you don't see in the NFL.
You know, it's kind of unique, it's rare, and it's
it's really how they space things. You know that they'll
put two receivers on each side of the formation out
wide in a stacked alignment, and they'll basically force a
defense to say, Okay, you either need to match up
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with our guys on the outside and take that away,
or you have to take away our ability to run
the football with the amount of defenders you put in
the box, meeting around the off of line, the line
of scrimmage. And they they'll do this throughout the course
of a game, and it doesn't seem like it's like
a big deal, but it makes things so difficult on
the defense. And I'm sure LaVar you can speak this
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from playing and coaching like it's not that complicated. But
when you're talking about a team as talented as they are,
with the mismatches they can create, and then Jalen Hurts
and his dual threat ability, it's a nightmare. Like so
I don't want to like harp on the Packers rush
defense last night too much, only because in general they've struggled.
But that, like Philly is just such a unique offense
and unique challenge this season. It's all about the numbers, right,
(19:34):
Like you you counted out. Like when I'm doing defensive schemes,
I try to count it out, like, Okay, this side
has five guys, alright, this side has six guys. Okay,
you look at and you said, all right. I don't
really necessarily have to count the quarterback per se, But
in the games that I've had to count the quarterback,
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it's much more stressful to say, okay with my count on,
trying to to figure out if if I can get
more guys to each side playing defense, if that's possible. So,
and I'm sure this is how the defensive coordinators are
looking at it at the pro level as well. What
are the personnel groupings? Within those personnel groupings, what is
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happening to the stronger side? Right they You may have
you know, seven guys to one side, and and it's like, okay,
are they are they more dominant to go those ways?
Are they not? Are they going out the other side?
And once you set your defenses to be able to
try to do the coverage aspect of it, but also
manage the run. It is difficult when you have a
(20:38):
quarterback that can can can run when you it's like, okay,
third down, we know this is a passing down. We're
gonna bring our our you know will widen out. Our
defensive ends will get them further out. We'll bring them.
But if they come too far up filled and you
saw it happen last night, he'll come underneath you. And
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now that one defender that you were hoping your edge
Russier would would buy your linebackers time to be in
coverage and then come up and make the play. If
he runs, it doesn't work that way because they're able.
He's able to get out of there. He's so elusive,
but he's athletic enough to be a running back. So
it's definitely a difficult proposition when you have an RPO
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style quarterback and a quarterback that not only can read
the field and throw the ball because their quick game
was really clicking yesterday, and then you're able to to
establish the run and they're gonna beat you up inside
of the tackles, which is you know, accessing the B
gap is generally what what is most important in in
a in a run attack, they want to get the
(21:41):
be gaps. That was always what you told me. You're
I mean always the B gap is just it's horrible,
It's horrible. You know, Yeah, access the B gap. You know,
you know exactly what you're talking about. But yeah, you're right,
I mean, you know, because it could be that could
(22:03):
be a very dark place that could hut can talk
about this, Jonas, Is that a rap? Fair? And Rogers,
I mean, look at the game was kind of over.
He leaves as an oblique injury, even though he's been
heroically playing through Divulsion for action this thumb heroically, I mean,
he was throwing some some some dark um. But you
(22:25):
think that'said Jonas Um. He said that if there's still
mathematically alive, he wants to be out there. And he
actually spoke after the game, and this was Rogers talking
about his optimism for wanting to play next week. You
take a listen, you know, as long as I check
out fine tomorrow, expect to play this weekend. Oh you
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think you He was only to check out okay tomorrow.
And it was in the first half and then got
kind of reaggravating the third quarter. Just had an hard
time breathing and rotating him upper body. So I was
worried about punctured along as well. So I want to
get that checked out. They have no shot of making
the playoffs. They didn't have a shot going into this game.
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It's a done deal. And if I were, don't you
at some point We got to see a little glimpse
of it last night, but don't you at some point
want to see at least what she got in Jordan's
love because they have some decisions on him, right They've
got to decide if they want to pick up the
option for next year. I I just think at this point, like,
what are we doing here. He's got a busted up thumb,
(23:29):
he's got busted up ribs. Now you're not going to
make the playoffs. I know he wants to play. You
paid him a lot of money, but at some point
you gotta be able to see what the future does
look like, if this is the direction that you want
to go. And I just think Matt Lafleur, who said
afterwards that, look, I'm not ready to make a decision
on shutting him down. What are we doing it for?
You know what this is like like people who buy
(23:52):
like a second home, like a vacation home. You know,
it's like a luxury right to be able to have that.
But there's people who buy it and then they never
use it. It just sits there. It's like cost of
the tax dollars. It's cost them money, and like the
idea of it. You're always like, oh man, but we can,
we can go there every once in a while, and
you do and you enjoy it, but you like never
(24:12):
fully commit to it to really see what it would
be like to live there. You know, it's just the
idea of going there for a weekend or maybe like
a week once a year. It's it's kind of like that,
like they're like so hesitant, and I think it's I mean,
it's a park because how much they're paying them. I mean,
you're paying them fifty million dollars this year. It's like
you're really going to at this point, twelve games into
the season, where you might still mathematically have a shot,
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just say well, just you know, you're banged doublet. Let's
see what Jordan's love can do. I mean, that's that's
that's a tough pill to swallow. Right, Like if someone
told you, hey, you're gonna dump a bunch of money
into a beach home as your second home, your vacation
on where you're gonna retire, but you can't use it
for the next I don't know two years, You're probably
sitting there being like, wait, why am I paying for this? Then?
Like why do I saw this thing? Is buy something
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two years from now? Let me go. Let me ask
you guys this. If Jordan's love comes and they don't
make this decision, and he comes in and plays well
because he did. Look he made him through. Yeah you
Aaron Rodgers. Yeah, And I think it's it's almost was.
I forget how many years to the day, but it's
almost exactly the date when that happened. And it was
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and they were talking about last night as Collinsworth was
actually on the call for that game. I mean, I
gotta tell you. I mean this, Aaron Rodgers. I mean,
he's got he's got a heck of an arm, but
I mean he's not bred farm. We got a lee.
But if if Jordan's love comes in and plays well
the rest of the season, what's the decision afterwards? Because
(25:41):
if they decide all right, I mean, we we feel
like we've got something here. Did they try and unload Rogers?
Because I don't think Rogers is just gonna walk away.
Did they try and move him, like, what's the plan?
Comes in and plays well. I think it's gonna be
fastened to see where he could potentially go. Because Garoppolo
(26:02):
is a free agent AF this year, you can't franchise
tag him, so forty have to make decision on him.
You obviously got the situation in New York, and Mike
White looked great. I don't know that they're gonna view
him as their long term answer. Um maybe they would
be a player and all of that the most interesting
thing to me. I mean, it seems like Houston, who
need a quarterback, but they'll probably look to the draft,
(26:23):
and who knows what's gonna happen there, and and and
you could throw in l A and I don't know,
you know, Stafford's probably done for the rest of the season.
It looked like Sean McVeigh even got knocked out on
the sidelines of that game as well, and concussion protocol.
But I was just gonna say Denver. I was just
gonna say Denver because here's the reality of Denver. The
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Wollen family bought it after they had already hired Nathaniel Hackett,
George Payton, their general manager, who had who hired him,
So they don't have any ties to really the general
manager who was there when they bought the team, or
really the head coach who was hired before they bought it. Well,
the order backs a different story because you did you
did sign him to that contract. Now, they didn't trade
(27:04):
for him, but they did sign him to that contract.
So I almost wonder if if things are so bad
in Denver, that they wouldn't just say, um, where's that
reset button around here? It was that big red up
there it is, and just level the whole thing. Try.
But the problem is then you're selling low on Russell, right,
(27:25):
You've got this bloated contract, he's not playing up to.
Who's gonna trade for that? And that that's I think
part of the difficult part of that conversation, because you're
not gonna cut him. And again, if you're gonna trade him,
you know you have to get a significant compensation in
order to take on the contract and take on a
guy who doesn't look like he was playing like he
was in Seattle, So I think San Francisco and the
(27:49):
Jets are the two most interesting teams. Maybe even the
Giants too, depending on how you view Daniel Jones in
that situation, that'd be another team to keep in mind.
This is a winning situation for Jordan Love though, and
it's it's interesting because with Aaron Rodgers, I gotta I mean,
if you really are looking at this from a critical eye,
why even continue on? If you're Aaron Rodgers, like get
(28:11):
your thumb fixed, enjoy, enjoy your season like he for
for that type of injury, and and and I was
gonna say it, but you know, it seemed like kind
of like just a simple one. Um. You know, he
can he can ultimately show up when he wants to
show up, like when you go when you get when
you get deactivated for the rest of the season. I mean,
(28:33):
what he should. He he might have to show up
once a day for his treatment, but there's a chance
that he says, well, I'm gonna get my treatment here,
and and all he has to do is make sure
that that the person he's doing his rehab with is
is keeping in contact with the team, the team um
trainer or whatever. So he's in a situation where if
(28:54):
he decides he wants to get his thumb repaired and
be dumb for the season, he doesn't even have to
be around. He doesn't have to be around. And I
wonder if he's if he's entertaining that, because look, most
most athletes, when they find themselves in a situation like this,
who understand the business? It's a business decision, right And
and people can say they can lie and be like, no,
(29:15):
I'm a team player. That's not the hell. If you are,
you're gonna sit there and you're gonna be like, here's
what my situation is. And I can actually have an
extended off season because I can start my off season
right now. The reason why I think that this is
advantageous for for Jordan Love is you come in under
any other circumstances than what's going on right now. There
is a ton of pressure for Jordan's Love to live
(29:37):
up to the expectation of what has been the quarterback's
position since you know, obviously Brett Farve and and now
Aaron Rodger's had like thirty years of Hall of Fame
quarterback place. So so, but right now you're having a
struggling season, and the focus isn't on you need to
be a stellar quarterback, Jordan love you. The focus is
(30:00):
thing like can he can he play? Like can we
can we get a little bit of a win here?
Like can he throw a couple of touchdown passes? Can
we be competitive? Can we get a couple more wins?
And now all of a sudden, I mean, look at
what we were just saying about Ryan Day, like a
week ago. Everybody's like Ryan Day, Ryan Day today where
people are like, man, we need to get Urban Meyer
(30:22):
backed to be able to have a good season. The
dude only has two losses. So so the point is
Jordan's love is in a situation where all he has
to do is give the fan base some hope. You
don't have to go out there and try to be
Brett for for Aaron Rodgers, just go out there and
give the team some hope. It's actually an advantageous moment
(30:44):
for him just because of how bad the team is
doing and how they're struggling right now, and and for
what it's worth, that was probably one of Aaron Rodgers
best games. He was playing pretty well, he didn't look bad.
He had he had the picks, but I mean, he
makes that first pick, was like the guy got hit
hit off is like it's a deflection, Like I'm not
(31:05):
even gonna put that on a rod. He was throwing
some good balls. He looked like he was poised. He
looked like he was trying to win the game, and
he looked like he was good. Like you hope he
was trying to win it. He's a guy. He doesn't
throw bad picks either. You know, like when when he
throws a pick, if it does look bad, it's probably
a miscommunication. Someone felt something happened. You know. It's there's
(31:26):
there's guys when you throw you throw picks, you go,
this guy just does it gain he's not a decision maker,
Like he's not gonna make it. And there's guys who
throw picks and you're like, okay, I can see that.
I mean, like Carson Wentz throwing a left handed interception
last year, like that was an example of like, yeah,
you'll and by the way, now he'll make some throws
to make you wow, you know, but then he'll make
(31:46):
that decision. You go, wow, it's just I'm telling you bad.
Sitting in a quarterback room on a Monday after the
game and you start coming through like other teams looking
for plays, watching other guys, like especially like Radi and Rogers.
You're like, everyone's always watched. You'll watch some of that
and you'll just be like, Yeah, I can understand why
(32:06):
he did that, or I can understand why I went there.
There's some dudes you watch You're like, Nope, he just
either didn't see that dude, or he just got panicked
and he just threw it up there. Pros and a
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in case you missed this. Odell Beckham Jr. Was removed
from a flight at Miami International Airport on Sunday after
police said the free agent wide receiver was in and
out of consciousness and refused to leave the airplane. Win
(34:19):
asked his uh. His lawyer has disputed the account, saying
that that oh b J was sleeping and that the
incident was the result of an over zealous flight attendant. Yeah,
that's an interesting one there, because I had fallen asleep
while the plane has been down on the ground. But
I mean, I think the report said they were asking
(34:39):
him to put his his seatbelt on and he kept refusing. Yeah.
See to me, that's where like at the amount of
time it took for you to the dispute, like saying no,
I don't want to put my seatbelt on or anything
like that, Just click your seatbelt. Like for the most part,
those those flight attendants, they're just trying to do their job,
whether the nicest of of attending or not. They're just
(35:01):
trying to do their job, like just click it and
and or get a ticket. But he didn't click it.
They weren't telling her to put a mask on. You know.
It's like just click your seatbelt, you can go back
to sleep, right back to sleep. Like click your seatbelt,
go right back to sleep. Bro. I ain't nobody ever
got removed from an airplane because they were tired and
we're falling asleep before the plane took off light. Let's
(35:23):
let's be clear there. I don't like that. I traveled
too much, so I've seen both ends of the spectrum.
I saw a guy last night who bumped into an
old lady. He was going back to get his luggage,
which I'll say this, he got on the plane first
because he needed extra time. Supposedly, the guy was six
ft four, had no physical and with nothing. He just
(35:45):
had a small little lapdog with him that he had
as a service dog. I may be going out on
a limb here, but I'm gonna go ahead and say
based on how this guy then spoke to the older husband,
because after he bumped the lady, the husband said something
to him that he's trying to get into it with
a seven year old man. I was like, Okay, there's
nothing wrong with that guy. He's just an a hole,
all right, anyone to boid the plane first because he
(36:05):
had his his lapdog service talk. I digress. I've seen
both ends of it. You've got Obrazella's flight a send
and he wants to prove a point and power. But
I've also seen people who like are just unresponsive or
for whatever reason, just don't want to obey like what
they're asking me to do. The truth is probably somewhere
in the middle. It's just bad look for a dude
(36:27):
who's supposed to going on a free agent tour right now. Yeah,
it's a bad look. I'm sorry. Click it, that's all
click it you give. Just be responsive and respectful, you know,
Because I also wonder if he just wouldn't respond to
any request to put his seatbelt on, or just see
if he did. Well, it wasn't that supposedly he put
the blanket up over his head for it was asleep.
(36:50):
Was that's what his his agent or attorney said, And
so maybe they couldn't tell whether or not he had
the seatbelt on. And if he's unresponsive, then you might
have a medical emergency could go to be a whole
different is because the headphones these days, I got them Apple,
the Mapple noise cancelers. You ain't hearing jack s outside
of what's in your headphones. And somebody, somebody could be
(37:10):
talking to you right there and you're not going to
hear him. It's like that Cat Williams. It's called deaf.
That's what they called those headphones. You can't hear anything. Yeah,
you can't hear anything. You want to know what it's
like to lose one of your senses? Put these headphones
in here. Yeah, that's the true U. In case you
(37:31):
missed this, during the Penn State Michigan State game, uh,
Penn State quarterback Sean Clifford went viral for seemingly uttering
the words we have to cover when uh when up?
Big buddy wanted to cover that nineteen point spread. Interesting
defense got to cover That's what I was thinking. I
(37:51):
don't even recall this story, but that's interesting. I mean,
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