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December 1, 2022 46 mins

Thursday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas, Brady and LaVar They discuss Odell Beckham Jr.’s  market value The guys react to the College Football Playoff expansion getting the go ahead thanks to the Rose Bowl agreeing to be a part of it and Senior NFL Reporter Albert Breer previews the return of Deshaun Watson, what is available for Sean Payton and what the future holds for Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers.

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Area's Rady Win and Jonas Knocks
on radio. Today's the day. It's a huge day. Everybody's
been looking forward to it. The O b J Tour starts,
the free agent visits start for Odell Beckham Jr. All right, now,

(00:23):
apparently the L A. Rams are no longer in consideration
because they've actually they're not saving his locker anymore. So
I don't know if anybody saw that. They've decided to
go ahead and give his locker to somebody else. So
they're assuming that Odell Beckham does not want to be
a part of the L. A. Rams and whatever the
hell you call this season for the Rams. But apparently
he is starting by visiting the Giants coming up today,

(00:46):
and then he's got the Bills after that, and then
he's got the Cowboys. So how do we think this
is going to play out? With all the rumblings, with
all the conversation about Dallas and the players begging form,
He's got three teams lined up, three teams he's identified.
They all look to be playoff teams. How do we
think this goes for Rhodell Beckham Jr. Can I pose

(01:07):
this question, don't you think as the season wears on,
you're going to get a number of teams that either
aren't in the playoff run and which then what's the
point of him joining that team unless they give him
a huge contract that he wants for the future, And
why why wouldn't they just wait until the off season
to do that? And then or the there's a team

(01:28):
that's in the running for the playoffs, and they might
be saying to themselves, Okay, we're gonna bring him in,
but for what we're already on our way to be
a playoff team. He's gonna give us with three four catches, Like,
unless there's an injury, it's one of the top guys
and they need the services of Odell Beckham. If you're
the Bills right now, Okay, he's one of the teams

(01:49):
he's looking at like is it worth it in his
mind to go there? If he's the third option in
the passing game. He's not gonna beat out Stefon Diggs.
He's not gonna, you know, you know, take more of
touches away from Gabe Davis. So I just I kind
of wonder, like what market there really is out there
for him, or is this like a market that him

(02:10):
and his age and are just conjuring up at this point,
similar to the story they had to conjure up when
he was sleeping on the planet put a seatbelt on.
I think it's a market thing. I think it's a
strong play outside of Buffalo. I mean, I think it's
a strong play and and you can actually leverage New

(02:32):
York and going to Buffalo and keep in mind him
and you know, from what I know, I believe him
and von Miller are really really close friends. Um So
I wouldn't be shocked if there's facilitating taking place because
you know that that connection the I guess advocating for

(02:54):
for him to be a part of it in in Buffalo.
It will ultimately come down to does Odell Beckham believe
that his brand is still strong enough where he can
make money or make it up where he doesn't get
it in terms of longevity long term and in amount

(03:17):
from the franchise. Can he make it up in the
market he one hundred and ten can do it in
in New York like I don't think his his bridge
was burnt in New York when he left it wasn't
the greatest departure. Uh, there was some turbulence there, but

(03:38):
for the most part, Oh b J is still a
beloved player from you know, from the Giants and and
ultimately known for one of the greatest catches or catch
that change the history of the game moving forward now
everybody tries to catch the ball in our judge by
catching the ball with one hand. Um, as far Dallas's concerned,

(04:01):
I don't know what the wind would be for Dallas.
I think they could use him in New York, but
I don't know what the wind would be in Dallas
in terms of it's a big market. Um, it's Dallas,
so it's a big brand that's leverageable. I think with
O b J it's more about the optics of signing

(04:23):
him and what he can bring to your organization value
wise that way, versus all this who's leveraging who? Though?
I mean, I think that would be I think that
would be the best question of it all. How are
the team's leveraging Odell Beckham's brand, That's what I'm saying.
It's like, I don't I don't really see anything there
for that. I think Eldell Beckham has everything to gain.

(04:46):
Do you think the Dallas Cowboys are not gonna be
the Dallas Cowboys of Odell Beckham chooses the Giants or
someone else, it's not gonna matter. It's not it's not
gonna impact their bottom line. I mean, this isn't like
Christiano Ronald or a little messy who's going in there
like some all time him. Great, that's adding onto a
roster that people are dying to see all over the world.
I would I would argue it. I would. I would

(05:08):
debate that. I don't think it's debatable. And the other
thing I'd say is, like the Giants, I don't I
think that in a couple of weeks, if the Giants
are in a playoff run, I don't know that you
want to go out there, Like, what's the point If
you're the Giants, why would you want to bring him on?
If you're looking towards next year? And if you're Odell, Like, okay,
so a couple of weeks from a how ur a

(05:29):
week from now? He makes his decision. They got one
five games to play, but there's no value. Well, I
can't extend into a playoff run, right, Yeah, Well, if
you're not leveraging the celebrity and the brand that oh
b J has become, then there is no there is
no real value there to to probably sign him out

(05:53):
a number that would be doable for him, the one
to do it, it's probably not there this late in
the season. Does gonna take a little bit of time
to incorporate a wide receiver into the offense. So at
what point is he gonna be ready week nineteen? Like
that's I just it feels like the timing on this

(06:14):
just doesn't act like he's really trying to push for it.
And I look, LaVar, you threw this out when we
first started talking about this, you know, five six weeks ago,
and said like it kind of seems like it makes
more sense to just start this upcoming off season when
there's a lot more suitors out there for you as
opposed to I'm deciding where I want to go. Well,

(06:35):
maybe it's not your call, Like maybe maybe the Giants
are like, well, it doesn't really make sense to bring
him in. You know, we've got you know, injuries at
wide receiver. But you know, if we're out of the playoffs,
to Brady's point, what's the point And then if you're
you're the Bills all right, well yeah, I mean, you know,
we could bring him in, but you know, Gabe Davis,
every time you turn on the TV, that guy seems
like you're scoring a touchdown. And then Stefon Digg is
one of the best receivers in the league. And Dallas

(06:57):
has got weapons, Ceedee Lamb has been a monster lately
like Alas has got weapons. There. I just I wonder
at some point did Odell Beckham was he so desperate
to be in everybody's front of mine for at some
point this season that he just kept trying to force
the issue because if you remember, if you go back
to week one, remember Odell Beckham was telling people that

(07:20):
he'll sign with with whoever wins the Bills Rams game.
What like why why why is he have a say
in that? And I think it's more of a show.
But again, he only benefits him, It doesn't benefitfl franchise.
Like that's correct. Giants have been a great story because
of their success under Brian Dable and Dallas is Dallas,

(07:40):
Like players come and go to Dallas. It doesn't matter
like it really to me, It does not matter like
to me, that's a brand that there's no one bigger
than a star, even as many Hall of Fame players
go through there, it's still the star. It's still the
Dallas Cowboys and that logo, that jersey. Um, there might
be other more. It's where you could make that case,

(08:01):
But like, how much you're gonna leverage at this point
in time, Like you're you're more focused and keyed in
on the playoffs and that should be the paramounts to
anything else. But what do you think, Well, again, what
role is he gonna play in that last time he
was playing, he was catching about three balls a game.
He's building a brand, he's continuing to build. That's we're

(08:23):
asking what's the value proposition for for both sides? For
I'm not I'm not asking for both sides because because
I know it, and it's only upside for him because
he's not playing right now. If he doesn't have the NFL,
there is really nothing else he's gonna continue to build.
So my question is why, why, if you're one of
these teams, are you looking at it seriously unless there's

(08:43):
a dire need for depth at for that player, and
even then you don't know what kind of impact he's
going to make. But it's not to me, it's not
about his brand. It's just about a need of a
player that has his caliber that you've seen at one
point side play at a really high level. That would
be the franchise and that would be correct. But I
also wouldn't look at it and say, if I'm going
after him now to your question, Jonas, if I'm going

(09:06):
after him now, if if I'm actually bringing him in
and I would work him out, interview him, or even
if I don't work him out if he passes a physical,
I'm trying to get a value proposition. That's why you
would sign him. Now, what if the Texans said, hey,
we'd love to bring in I know we only have
a few games left. Yeah, we're not a playoff team,

(09:26):
but we feel like, you know you could you along
with Brandon Cooks, we'd love to get a look at
this and love e Smith says, hey man, we we'd
like to see how this looks next season. We're here.
We can offer you right now, which may be much
less than what the value of it could possibly be
in in free agency when that opens up. If you
could get a value proposition, then you try to do it.

(09:49):
If you see the contracts, I mean, we were throwing
out business terms, like there's no value PROPM. This isn't
a product where we're trying to differentiate from our competitors, right,
Like they're gonna offer him a contract that's gonna be
enough money where he's as, yeah, I'm willing to go
play for that and get my career restarted and hopefully
make this home and player for a few years. Or
he's not like it's it's it really, that's what it comes.

(10:09):
That's paramount to anything else. If something text money, if
Houston Texans offered him ten million dollars right for on
a one year deal, or if let's say a three
year deal and he's getting paid north of ten a year,
he's gonna take that. He's probably saying like this is
more than I'm going to get paid anywhere else right now,
So why wouldn't I take that as compared to maybe

(10:30):
a better team. But that's gonna pay him half that
for what his services? Maybe do you think he'd rather
have a one year, finished the season out deal with
the Cowboys or a multi year deal with the Houston
Texans because how much money you're talking about, Like, like,
what's the delta? First is where you start business? So
I don't feel like it's what is that airplane? I'm

(10:51):
not the greatest business guy in the world, But like,
what would you say a three year deal for Odell
Beckham average shot? What would be like eight million a year?
Nine million years? Get at this point, like if he
gets a three year thirty million dollar deal or an
offer on this is a nice market, it's a good
it's a great market. So that their team isn't great,
but it's a great market. So then this whole thing

(11:13):
about I'm going to play for a winner. I want
to play for the team that's you know, chasing a
super Bowl, you know, rams bills. I'll go to the
winner there everything else. Didn't he say wanted to buy
a house and and live there and have some time there?
He did. That's what I'm saying. Maybe the only offer
that he's really going to have that's going to provide
that for him is going to be like a Houston

(11:35):
or a Detroit or or Jacksonville. And at that point,
these teams that he's thrown out maybe don't need him
as much as he needs them. He hasn't averaged over
five catches since I mean, I'm just you gotta look
at what exactly he's bringing to the table at this point, right,

(11:56):
I mean, what exactly is is he gonna How is
he gonna impact your team? How is gonna help your roster.
We talked about the fact he's not gonna play special
teams so you can eliminate you're gonna have to add
an additional roster spot if you're cutting a guy to
make room for him, that's gonna have to play on
special teams. And so I just I keep going back
to the value of what he's gonna bring. I mean,
I mean, you guys tell me it's two now, and

(12:19):
what kind of impact is he going to be? And
how many other rosters do we have with wide receivers
who are averaging three four catches a game that are
being paid ten million dollars a year until it feels
like the Josh Gordon thing to where every year Josh
Gordon was getting signed by somebody's like, oh man, great
team wasn't getting that deal though, I know, like he

(12:40):
was getting a one year deal. Prove it and try
and stay clean. Right, just the value proposition of it
business terms for football, that's the value proposition. Are you
going to be able to get as much value out
of O B J. If you bring him in as
it applies to all of it, You're not just going
to look at it from the production on the field.

(13:00):
You're going to look at it how properly. That's the marketing.
I'm a pretty smart duke. Q. I don't know doubt that.
But like that's where about like innovation or service or
a feature that's intended to attractive to customers. I don't
know the fact you prop it's not. I don't know
that you're using it all the way properly. Well, that's

(13:21):
the I'm telling you a definition of what it is.
If we're looking at value proposition as it applied innovation,
service or feature. Okay, go ahead, value make their organization
and productive and attractive to customers. Go ahead, Yeah, you
do want to make that your product productive and and
and attractive to customers. Well, you think athletes are, they're

(13:43):
a product. I would say you're an employee. It's a
little different. Yeah, Well, you're putting a product on the
product variants that you're providing fans. Yeah, I guess. I
mean I don't. I don't. I can see how I
understand it, and I think it makes sense even within
the parameters of the definition that you gave it. There

(14:04):
is a value proposition to how you would look at
bringing O B J into your organization, because you do
want to have a product that is attractive to the
people that you are marketing and wanting to come watch
your team. That's your consumer. Be sure to catch live
editions of Two Pros and a Cup of Joe with

(14:24):
Brady Quinn, LaVar Arrington and Jonas Knox week days at
six am Eastern three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio
and the I Heart Radio app. We do have some
good news for those of you wondering and complaining and
bitching and moaning because we only get four teams in
the College Football Playoff. Have no fear. The expansion is
happening right around the corner. Uh. The Rose Bowl did

(14:46):
sign off. They have acquiesced to the demands by the
College Football Playoff Committee and the people involved in the expansion.
The Rose Bowls said, all right, we were looking to
make sure that we were going to keep our special
five pm Eastern time to a our Pacific window there
as tradition. They said, in good faith, they would try
and do the best they could, said the College Football
Playoff Committee. But according to Pete Famil, it is a

(15:09):
done deal. And also the Rose Bowl didn't want to
lose out, lose out on hundreds of millions of dollars
involved in it, and there was money involved in factor
into all of this stuff. But nonetheless, Brady Quinn, we
got ourselves a twelve team college football playoff coming up.
The interesting part now is is what it's gonna look like, meaning,
how are we gonna go about constructing the twelve teams?

(15:31):
How are we going to go about broadcasting it. You know,
ESPN has had a stranglehold on the college football Playoff,
the four team playoff. Once it goes to twelve, how
much access are the network is gonna have to it?
And I think if you're I mean, look, the College
Football Playoff Committee is basically comprised and formulated by ESPN,
so they still have a strangle hold on things. But

(15:53):
if you are the power of five conference commissioners, you
should push for more networks being involved because that's good
for your brand, it's good for I think college football
in general, very similar to the NFL. I mean, how
many different major networks do we have that broadcast the NFL?
What four I mean you have ABC, NBC, CBS, Fox,

(16:16):
they're all part of it. Now you have a major,
major streaming part of it, two and Amazon. If I
mean looking at how many people watched, for example, Thanksgiving Day,
forty two million, it's like that's what you should aspire
to be. And so collectively as a group, I think
you should look at the NFL model and go, we're
the second best. I don't want to say sports obviously

(16:37):
it's it's both football, but you're the second biggest to
the to the NFL. So we need to continue to
keep following kind of in their footsteps at our level
and see if we can't bring in you know, Fox
and CBS and NBC to broadcast all of these games.
It only that that hides hide only raises all boats.
And I think that's really where if if ESPN wants

(17:01):
to be short sided with it, you know, they could
keep kind of, you know, having a stranglehold on all
of it. But if I was a Power five college
football commissioner, I would push to be able to have
more people involved, very similar to what Kevin Warren did
with the Big Ten, having Fox, CBS and NBC as
all part of it. That viewership is gonna be huge,
and you're gonna have greater reach, as broadcast still has

(17:21):
has greater reach compared to streaming or even cable, which
is largely how ESPN portraits college football games. So I'm
glad to see where we're getting progress. Uh. It is
kind of funny that the Rose Bowl, obviously in California,
is like supposed to be, you know, California is always
so progressive and apparently not when it comes to expanding
the college football playoffs have to be the last one
holding things back. All of the assets that the Rose

(17:45):
Bowl have, it's a lot, yeah, I mean it's those
valued bowl, right, I mean they have a mansion right
right there in Pasadena and Old Town like one of
the nicest properties they have, Uh have like warehouses everywhere
where they built their floats and do all that. They
do that big you know parade every year. By the way,

(18:07):
for people that around the country have never been to Pasadena,
it's beautiful, like especially to your point of our like
old town. It should throwback, like you feel like you're
back in you know, the sixties or the seventies. Inside
coaches there, Yeah, you want to know how powerful those
people are that lived there. They were building a highway

(18:27):
and the people in Pasadena said, you will not take
that highway one inch further, and they stopped the building
of a highway. It's just stopped. It just it looks
like it's under construction. But then you start to realize
once you get in, you know, acclimated to to the place,

(18:50):
and people start it's a pride story, like, yeah, they
didn't bring that. They didn't they didn't bring that. Uh,
that gush darn highway through our through our neck of
the woods, like they stopped it. It is some serious,
serious money, seriously influential people, and a lot of those
people are connected to the Rose Bowl. Anyway. I wanted

(19:13):
to ask this question because you get a lot of
guys that are opting out of of playing in bowl games,
and the expansion of the Bowl game could possibly mean
you just have more teams that are going to be
playing younger talent in these playoff games. You're not really
seeing what determines the best team in the country. If

(19:33):
these best players are opting out because they don't want
to get injured playing all of these games. Heating into
the NFL season, you made the statement not too long
ago um Q when we had this conversation about how
it makes sense to be able to pay the players
um for the bowl games. So how does that fit

(19:55):
into the n I L Are these bowls? Are these
bowls able to with this playoff and that the amount
of money that they will generate by doing it the
way that it's being proposed. Are they able to n
I Yale deal these kids? Like? Are they able to
pay every kid that plays in these games? How to me?

(20:18):
So that would be the biggest, the biggest thing to
figure out, because you don't want your product to suffer
because players aren't playing right and and and here's here's
the first thing I'd say is if it's an expanded playoff,
I don't think you're going to be getting guys opting
out if they have a shot to play a playoff
for a national championship, right, you know, if these are

(20:38):
just exhibition bowl games and it's a mean because we
we saw last year New Year's six when we saw
guys Kenny Pickett didn't play in a New Year's six game.
Think about that for a second. Pitt was playing Michigan State,
they were the worst past If it's a college football
he would have lit them up. He sat out of

(20:59):
a New Year's six games still went in first round.
So you know, as far as that at least one example,
these guys sit out and still didn't hurt their draft stock.
And so now if you're playing for national championship, I
think it changes that a bit. If I'm a team
looking at drafting a first round quarterback and I have
a guy who was like, yeah, I'm gonna focus on uh,
you know, get getting ready to prepare for the draft.

(21:21):
Uh wait, wait a second, So you don't want to
play for a championship, you just want to Okay. I
mean there's there's gonna be some people who can understand
that and see that, but it's gonna be a bad,
bad look because then they're gonna say, hey, we're on
a playoff run. You're gonna play a little bit banged
up when no coach, I don't want to go out
there because I don't want to put bad tape out there.
You know, it could hurt my contractual value. Like I mean,

(21:44):
there's gonna be teams that are turned off by that.
So I think with an expanded playoff, it actually helps
limit the amount of opt outs because there's more teams
involved at least longer into the season, you know, whereas
for example, this weekend, this Friday night, the lead rusher
for you has already opted out of the rest of
the season, Tavian Thomas. Now he's a running back, they're

(22:05):
more subject injury and if he gets injured could potentially
hurt his his draft stock. But they're playing for a
pactrol of championship, like there's a championship on the line.
It's and that's not even meaningful enough. So I think
it's gonna be hard. And Tod answer the question you asked,
the problem with the Bulls paying them is, you know,

(22:27):
you've got to be careful of to pay for play
and all is not supposed to be that. And so
if they're showing up to perform in an exhibition game,
which is what these bull games really are, um you know,
how close is that to the definition of what is
paying them for playing in it? I mean they'll they'll
circumvent it by saying that these are marketing opportunities to

(22:48):
highlight the brands the sponsor, and that's how they'll go
about paying them. But I think the price of sponsoring
these bowls could go up the price of hosting these
bowls could go up if you're trying to provide some
compensation just for showing up and playing in general, which
we could get to a world where it becomes that,
but I I don't see how it doesn't well, because

(23:10):
here's here's here's where I think it needs to go.
In order for this to like get to get to
the spot where we're not having this conversation, the TV
networks are going to have to take some of that
revenue that they're basically providing all these conferences for the
rights and then and the conference is gonna have to
share it with the players like that. That that's it's
such an easy model. It's out there. But the problem

(23:31):
is too many of these universities would then be looking
at these players as employees and they don't want to
go that route. So that's that's the biggest issue. But
wouldn't you say there's no at this point where everything
is going. If you're going to improve your bottom line
and you're gonna do all these things that are being discussed,
that does sound seemingly like the best solution and and

(23:55):
being able to keep things running because you don't want
to sacrifice or alter what you're building and what you're
able to create by expanding the playoffs. So it doesn't
seem like there would be any other recourse in terms
of figuring out what would be the best way, what
would be the best approach of keeping these kids mode,
these young guys motivated to to do what they need

(24:19):
to do. And if that's the rev share, then you know, oh, listen,
at some point, you got to get away from the
taboo of saying they're an employee. We have always been employees.
We know, we we we all know. That must be
the biggest running joke. You are an employee, like you're
on the clock. You don't get to choose when you

(24:40):
go to practice and when you don't. You don't get
to choose when you go. Well, some guys do, but
they don't last long. They don't last long. Like you know,
you keep your hours and and they basically own you.
You know, I get up, I gotta work out at
five am in the morning because I have to be
pair to go get by the way, mandatory breakfast. I'm

(25:05):
not allowed to miss breakfast. Yeah, yeah, I mean, so
let's get away from oh my gosh, you're an employee.
It's an employee. You know, you're a student, like you
can be student. You know how many students are employees
most of them. Yeah, it is odd that you take
a normal student who has always been able to earn
money off their n I L. And yet it never

(25:26):
applied to student athletes like that became taboo or that
became a no no for student athletes for some reason.
Yet if I was there on a arts scholarship, you know,
for you can work, Yeah, you can work, work, you
can make money, you can sell albums like you do
all that, but you couldn't do it if you're an athlete.
But it literally doesn't make any sense, and you could
both be receiving scholarship and tuition and all that. Um.

(25:49):
I think the more interesting thing too though about the
rose Bulness news is that the new Year six is
going to be involved in the expansion because the initial
plan that was put forth one play those those first
quarter round games as home games, and that's something that
I think is appealing to some schools. But there's health, um,
you know, health and safety issues that that that come

(26:11):
up with that. Right as far as the fields, the
conditions of the fields, um, there's the desire of what
kind of football that looks like. You know, some of
these places in cool weather spots now you know you
have in the NFL, but it's a little different in
college football season sometimes. Um, but I personally am glad
the New Year six is staying a part of it
because because look to me, it always felt like a reward.

(26:31):
You know, we went so we went to the Sugar Bowl,
like it felt like a reward, and I feel like not,
I mean, not having a home game would be cool,
would be a great advantage, but it wouldn't be like
a reward for getting to that point like these bowl
games are. And and so call me naive, but I
think not only will the be n I l opportunities
for these kids with having New Year six is a
part of it, but I also think it's just a

(26:53):
better overall experience and reward from going to them. By
the way, do you see that report that's out there
on Ohio State than the Rose Bowl, that Ohio State
that the Rose Bowl is now considering taking penn State
over Ohio State, Because and like there's like a bunch
of different reasons that have been thrown out there, but
one was, you know that Ohio State they didn't sell
well that it could be kind of stale because they

(27:14):
might meet up with Utah and they you know, they
played Utah previously. And then just like all these like
we're at the point to where I thought going to
the Rose Bowl and you guys lived in different parts
of the country growing up, But wasn't the Rose Bowl
on New Year's Day five Eastern time? The pictures of
the San Gabriel Mountains they would like all like that

(27:35):
to me was tradition and Ohio States always based off
but it was based off of who won a Big
Ten and who won the pack. That's what That's what
it was based off. Still the Rose Bowl though, Yeah.
But if but if the Big Ten champion is playing
in a different game because of the playoff, then it
kind of and that kind of goes back to the
point that that Q was just making about, you know,

(27:58):
the New Year's six, those those they they will first
get weakened. If if this, if this playoff decentralizes these
bowl games and what they represent of what you're saying
with your memories and and and all of those experiences,
if it gets decentralized, then those bowl games will go away.
You won't even have Bowl games like you won't because

(28:21):
it's always it's only gonna matter what the playoff represents.
You go, you go to to the amount of teams
that they go to, you make it to the playoff.
Playoffs will be the only thing that matters, and Bowl
chap the championship game will be Really that's that's the pinnacle.
So if you if you allow bowl games to lose

(28:41):
their relevance, then then there's no there's no reason to
have them. If guys are opting out, if the importance
of the game isn't there, then there's no reason to
monetize them. Those dollars will go somewhere else. So to
your point, if I'm if I'm the Rose Bowl, since
we're not using the champion of the Big Ten and

(29:04):
we get to choose, you know, if we're choosing, we are,
I mean why not? Usually it comes down to because
there are conference affiliations right like and being a part
of the Orange Bowl committee, I have a little uh
knowledge as to how this all works. But you know
they have involved in with the SEC, the a SEC clearly,

(29:26):
and then the Notre Dame factors in that as well,
along with the Big Ten. So there's those three conferences
and Notre Dame, and there's a pecking order and a
lot of it comes down to, like how they're ranked
to end the season. That's at least how the Orange
Bowl works. Again, I'm not priviously like how the Rose
Bowl and then their selection process goes. I would find
it interesting, though, only because Ohio states a fan base

(29:49):
that if they don't make the playoff, and obviously, depending
on how things happened this weekend, they can still slide
into the top four. But that's a fan base that
literally that I remember early through the early two thousand's
when they were playing in the Fiesta Bowls time and
time again. They won the national championship out there. Um
they had played another one out there in Glendale. They
obviously beat Notre Dame. Back when I was playing uh

(30:11):
OH five into the O six January O six in
that Fiesta Bowl. There was such an influx of residents
who got second homes in Arizona because of those bowl games,
Like you literally had like Ohio State bars popping up
brand and and I would think that if you're any

(30:31):
remote bowl game that it's it's I'll be blunt, it's
the number one brand in college football. As far as
the viewership, the attraction of WALA comes with it. There's
no more valued brand or I would say, you know,
I want to call organization, but football program. They don't
have a state right now. That's just that's just the
truth to it. That's why seventeen million people watch O

(30:54):
highest state Michigan. That because Michigan brands is right up
there too, and then Notre Dame somewhere close like all
those mid West brands carry as far as rate value,
et cetera. Penn State sup part of that in the
top eight. I think. So when you look at it,
I mean you kind of you get to kind of
pick and choose which ones like you want, and maybe
they feel like, hey, oh how I stayed was here
last year. It was a great game, but we want

(31:15):
some new blood in here. Maybe that's more of how
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(31:37):
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(31:59):
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A little bit of a rough weekend, but I'm alright?

(32:19):
And then second, hold on, this is this is disgusted.
This is a disgusting thing that is being done here.
To the great Albert Brier the Michigan Fight song after
what happened? I mean, go ahead, vent if you will.
I had to hear that long way. I was sitting
right next to Michigan band, right, yeah, I know where

(32:45):
I was sitting. I was literally right thanks for stopping
buying sit Hi, Albert. I couldn't get down to you.
And and in the second half was kind of rough too,
wasn't It wasn't really bad till fourth quarter. That's what
it was like, shockingly, like, wow, this is a butt kicking.
It looked like they Clint didn't it. I mean, I

(33:06):
hate to say it, but I mean I I brought
myself to rewatch the first half, and it feels to me,
Brady like they they should have been up by twenty.
They were shocked they weren't up by twenty, and they
didn't handle the fallout very well in the second half.
And like, to me, like last year was about physical toughness,

(33:27):
I think this year it was about mental toughness. And
you know, I I think like the team didn't do
a very good job of riding that out where Michigan
probably went to the locker room really really happy to
be down by three. Ohio State probably went in the
locker room wondering how it was only three. And you know,
I think one team handled that really well and the

(33:48):
other team didn't. And that was that. Um, So I've
got a theory on all this, all right, So if
you look at the past three years, UM, last year,
obviously Michigan won Michigan Wan this year they didn't play
in because of COVID, and so you really have to
go back to two thousand and nineteen, where you know,
Ryan Day, Ohio State has kind of dominated that rivalry,

(34:11):
and I guess I've looked at it this way. So
I think when urban Meyer got there, he made Ohio
State more of a national recruiting powerhouse, Whereas when Jim
Trust was there, he wanted to dominate Ohio, he wanted to,
you know, grab other guys in to supplement it, but
he felt like he never wanted someone to come in
the state of Ohio and beat him. And I think
when urban Meyer got there, they started saying, well, we

(34:33):
don't want to get beat for any recruit. Forget Ohio,
we don't want to get beat for any recruit anywhere
across the country. If we want the guy, we want
him to be ours, right, And I think what's happened
now is that's gotten away from like this culture and
and the mentality of how important that specific game is,
and the and the physical and mental toughness that I

(34:54):
think you need and some of the guys have that
are from the state of Ohio and understand the robbery
and understand what comes with that. Whereas I think Michigan
recruits Michigan, they dominate that state, they get who they want,
and then the Midwest and some national players. But I
think they've got a better grasp on on what they
feel like they need to recruit and have and develop

(35:16):
and win right now then Ohio State does, at least
looking at how this is transpired of the past three
years now between those two teams, Brady, do you remember
running back I think his name was Ryan Brewer for
South of course he went to South Carolina. He did.
He took me on it, well, he took me on
a visit. I'll leave it at that. Okay, he was
he was. So this kid was Mr Ohio right in

(35:38):
football and John Cooper didn't John Cooper didn't um didn't
offer him, yep, And he played them and like I
think it was the Citrus Bowl or something like that,
out Back the Outback Bowl and lit them up. And
that was like the last straw for John Cooper. That
was when I was in school there, right, it was

(36:00):
the last straw for John Cooper because it was like
all right, like you've already piste off the coaches in
Ohio because you're recruiting nationally. You've turned down all these
Ohio kids who were going other places, and Brady, you
were probably high school then, right, like so like you
remember this, and like it was like that was the
last straw for John Cooper. You can't beat Michigan. You've
alienated Ohio football people. And then Jim Tressel comes in

(36:24):
and I think his first press conference he said, we're
building a fence around the state and no player who
can play here is going to get out of the state,
and like that was his whole thing was like I'm
from here, I've got pride in the way football has
played here. We're gonna play football the way Ohio football
always has been played, and nobody's gonna be able to
compete with us. And like I there was a real

(36:47):
identity there. And then you know, Urban sort of took
that in superchargehip by bringing in national recruits. And I
think at some point it became isn't about playing in
Ohio state or is about getting to the NFL? I
think it's like this, I think it the major programs. Right,
that's a like Nick Saban's the best at that, right,

(37:07):
Like finding a way to balance that but I think
it was some point it got to it went from
I really want to play football at Ohio State and
get to the NFL too. I want to get to
see NFL. I just think there's a lot of that.
You started with the opt outs last year, you know,
And I think that that's the challenge for Ryan now
is finding a way to balance. Let me ask this,

(37:30):
I mean, justin Smith and Jigbu is missing time for hamstring. Still,
what's the what's the injury right now? The hamstring? Right?
I mean hamstring all season? All season? I mean and
I yeah, and and and that's the thing though, I
mean it's like I I do you do want to?
I mean you see a Michigan kids pushing through injuries
right bas like barely could walk and he's he's out

(37:52):
there like at least trying to go for a couple
of plays. Donovan Edwards has a cast on his thumb.
He's a running back and he's out there running with
the football total in the rock. Like I just it's
too That's what's shocked me. That was Frady. Frady that
that part of it was glaring to me, you know
what I mean, Like and I'm not questioning anybody's toughness,

(38:13):
but like, you know, like, and I do think that
part of this is the agents to like, you know,
agents can go into these programs now, and I do
think like there are some kids that are let's just say,
managing themselves through their last year, you know, and let
me just get me to the and I understand why
it totally makes sense, but at some point that's going

(38:35):
to show up on the field. You guys, don't college
because I'm going in thank you for that, hey, hey,
thank you, thank you for the therapy, said we can do.
If y'all got more college, I'm gonna let you all
go wait until we try. All right, let me let me,

(38:56):
let me let me hit you with this one now. Um,
Is there anything and in terms of Tony Buzzby comes
out with the you know, the report of the attendance
situation that's going to take place for Deshawn's uh, you know,
his his his debut game. Is there any like, has

(39:17):
there been any releases any type of anything, um, from
the National Football League, from the Texans, from the Browns.
In terms of how they're approaching this, well, I mean,
var right, I think the first thing is like the
NFL's approach right, which I think this really um brings
to White. Why the NFL so aggressively pushed out the

(39:39):
fact that they wanted a full year in the summer
and I think we got I think we talked about
that right like in May and June, how the NFL
wanted everyone to know, like we want a full year,
we want indefinite suspension, we want to take them off
the field for the entirety of the season, And why
they went through that process of appealing and everything else.
This is why because if if if they hadn't done that,

(40:04):
like what will we be talking about this week? We
will be talking about what did the NFL do the
right thing putting him back on the field. Now, the
NFL doesn't have to deal with that, so they effectively
like wash their hands of this whole thing Browns. That
becomes about to Shaun, and I'll tell you what, It's
gonna be interesting in that stadium. Have you guys seen

(40:25):
like pictures of what that stadium looks like over the
last month or so, like how dead that franchise is.
I mean I saw a picture from like the second
quarter of a game a couple of weeks ago. I
don't know if I've ever seen an empty or NFL stadium,
So like, I think what that means is on Sunday,
literally like every person who's there is gonna be there
just to sort of see the circus, you know, and

(40:47):
see what this looks like. And I'm sure they're gonna
be at Houston people that they're gonna be there to
Boudi Shan and so I think they's got a potential
to be a really i'd say unique and weird scene
both inside the stay adium and outside the stadium. And um, yeah,
look like I think part of what Buzzby is doing
obviously for publicity and everything else, but I think it's

(41:08):
sort of underscores what a strange, strange scene it's gonna
be in Houston on Sunday, and large part because you know,
the Texans are such a dead franchise right now, It's
literally going to be the only story um or surrounding
that game. Albert brierre joining us here on Fox Sports Radio. Albert.
The Sean Payton rumors have been out there all season long.

(41:28):
There was a report that came out from ESPN that
said the Chargers and the Cardinals were two teams that
he would be interested in if those jobs did open up.
And of course they played each other last week and
the Chargers won that game. So did those feel like
real possibilities or is there another team out there that
you see Sean Payton would have some interest in if

(41:49):
that job opened up. Well, I think there are a
couple of days ago through here. Number one, Like I
Sean hasn't Like, I don't think Shawn's generated any of
this himself. Like, I think he's sort of taking a
step back and kind of let the whole thing play out. Um,
there are a couple of things that I do think
would need to be in place that are important, right.
So the quarterback is one, and you know, obviously I

(42:11):
think the Chargers check that box. You know, Arizona is
a little different because of you know, all the strings
attached with kyler Um, but you could argue that that
that box has checked there too. Geography is one. You know,
I think he'd like to be on the west western
western part of the country. Um, I know he likes California,
So obviously Arizona and the Chargers check that box. The

(42:33):
other box that I think would be an interesting one.
You know, who's gonna check this one is money. The
Dolphins offered him twenty five million dollars a year, and
I think like part of this is going to be
changing the paradigm on how NFL coaches are are paid.
And you know, if you look at it like like

(42:53):
they're only I believe eight coaches in the NFL who
are making more than ten million dollars. There may be
more than that in college. He knows. So like, I
think that there is this feeling that, you know, Sean Tayton,
maybe eventually Sean McVeigh are going to be the ones
that are going to change the paradigm of how NFL
coaches are paid. And the reason that's important here is

(43:15):
because the Chargers and Cardinals traditionally aren't teams that pay
coach as well. And so does the new television money
change that. Does the fact that Sean Paynton changed that
for these two? I don't know, um, but I would
just say, like the Spanos family and the Bidwell family
typically haven't been the source of families that would even
consider something like paying a coach twenty or twenty five

(43:36):
million dollars a year, and that might be what it
takes to get it done. So I don't think he's
one coming back next year, but you know, I think
that those would be three important things to consider, quarterback location,
and then how much of teams want to pay to
get him? All right, Albert, we don't have much time here,
so I try to ask this quick Aaron Rodgers. The
speculation of whether or not he finishes the season, then

(43:58):
what it looks like. There's been rumors about Tom Brady
and where he will continue to play, if he continues
to play, if Tampa, San Fran New England was thrown
out there I saw on one report. Just give me
an idea of of kind of what you're seeing in
your mind with with two of the older quarterbacks, two
of the all time greats. But what the rest of
the season looks like and maybe even in three what

(44:19):
what's what's going to happen? Yeah, I think you know
Tom's sort of gotten himself to notwithstanding would happened last
week in Cleveland, gotten himself to a better place now,
um where I think you know, he's playing better and
the team around him playing a little better, and so
like I I think he'sn't finished out the season strong.
I think he's open to playing next year. And um,

(44:41):
you know, I think that all options would be open.
Then I like, I personally think San Francisco could be one. Um,
the one I I would really sort of keep an
eye on. Two would be the Las Vegas Raiders and
the Raiders how to make a decision on Derek Carr
on the week after the Super Bowl and on on
on a forty million dollar guarantee. And obviously Brady has

(45:05):
the ties to McDaniels, and I think there'd be business
opportunities there for Brady. Um. And so I would just
sort of keep my eye on that one. I think
Derek Carr still has to sort of win the Raider's
job for three, because both Tom Brady and Jimmy Garoppolo
could be available after the year. Um. And then you know,
I think San Francisco there's obviously the relationships there, the

(45:28):
ties there, the fact that he's from there. All that.
I think Aaron Rodgers is playing for the Packers in
twenty three or he's not playing anywhere. And I still
personally think that that's all up in the air. Um.
So do I know that he's gonna finish his career
in Green Bay? No, But I think it's more likely
than not that if he plays anywhere next year, it

(45:48):
is going to be for the factors. He is Albert Brier,
senior NFL reporter at the MMQB. You can get him
on Twitter at Albert Brier. Albert always appreciate it, man,
feel better. We'll do it again next Week's all right, thanks, guys.
I I don't have any betting advice for you guys.
This way the victor al I got a pen state

(46:09):
guy in a notre name. I hate Michigan, but I
just I was just waiting to have you have a
loss so that you couldn't come on and gloat about
being a buck eye. So there's there's there's a price
to be paid with with success, al you know, and
I trust trust me. I've been paying it for five
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