December 12, 2022 • 38 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the guys recap the biggest games from week 14 including the Chargers exposing the Dolphins on Sunday Night Football and Brock Purdy besting Tom Brady. Army-Navy delivers something never before seen and Tiger King pleads his case.
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how we feeling fired up? Energized? Fellas? You know, do
you think a lot of the Dolphins fans right now? Yeah?
Do you think a lot of TA haters? A lot
of people out there? What do they call them? Too?
And on? Is that? Are those the supporters fans of TWA?
So the people that don't like to they're probably pretty
thrilled with what they've seen the past couple of games,
probably feel feel vindicated with their criticism of what the
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Miami Dolphins are the past couple of games, based on
their performances, seems like it was it was going around
and people were pretty pleased with Justin Herbert out playing
two A talk about Lowell last night. Although all you
have to do is basically throw it up to Tyreek
Hill and then he'll just go ahead and take the
rest from there. Even if he's got a banged up wheel,
you don't have to do that. You just have the
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fubble zone to theay of scoring. That was but I
like when he picked it up and nobody had a
chance to it, just pointed and just said he had
just taken around the side. Nobody's got a chance. Before
you think he was the kid at playground that like
just dominated kids since he was a kindergarten I would assume.
So yeah, even even before, like you know, it's like
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how it gets real competitive practices and stuff like that.
In that games, he was the kid that was actually
better than the kids playing in the games on Saturdays.
They were like, look at that kid that right there,
he's moving better than the kids that are out there
on the field. He's that one and pick up games.
Everybody like, look at him, he's only five yoked up. Yeah,
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they where it was pretty impressive. Tyreek Hill on a
couple of plays last night but nonetheless, the l A
Chargers get it done. And look, I don't know that
that anybody looks at them as being a legit contender
in the a f C. But I think we're kind
of at the point where it feels like if they
don't make the playoffs, Brandon Staley might be done. Like
like we we could be looking at Brandon Staley being
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out of a job they don't make the playoffs. So
really it feels like he's kind of coaching for his gig.
There were men the rest of the way as opposed
to Mike McDaniel, who's feel good story everybody likes what
he's done with two it feels like both those guys
are kind of in different spots. And quarterback came out
in the same draft class. But Brandon Staley and all
the talent they're they're trying to find a guy that
maximizes that. So maybe maybe the Chargers going to run
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here and there are another threat in the a f C.
You know where they're Yeah, the seven seven spot. Now,
I don't know how that factors in with the Patriot
if they were to win to Night, because they I
believe also would be seven and six. But I know this,
it doesn't kick out the Jets because if the Patriots
would have wanted, would have kicked out the Jets since
they have the sweep against them and now with the
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Chargers definitively winning, the Jets are at this point. We'll
get to that a little bit, but it's heating up
in the A f C. I mean, we're getting a
lot of jockeying, you know, a lot of jockeying around
for a position if you will, you know, my my
biggest takeaways. I guess my biggest storyline from from the
late night game was it you you wanted to see
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if if Miami could win a big game that wasn't
super super super big. And I know that might sound weird,
but this was a big game for for Miami. This
was a big game for the Chargers, even though both
teams are kind of at that fringe point. Right there,
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at that fringe mark of you know, you could almost
have the conversation of how good a teams are? They like,
do we know how good the Miami Dolphins are at
this point? Do we know how good the l A
Chargers are? So while I'm watching the game, it's kind
of like, who's going to establish you know that this
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is a team that's going in there. They're playing December football.
Who's going in the right direction? I would say it.
I did not come out of the game feeling that
there was a definitive answer to that question, even though
the Chargers won. I don't know. I maybe I was
underwhelmed by the fashion in which they won. But now
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I'm starting to look at Miami and I'm like, Miami
is starting to kind of look a little bit like
the team where we're like, yeah, that's you know, they're
better than what they have been, but they're certainly not
upper echelance elie eat I mean, is that is that?
Is that an unfair Are you trying to say that
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they look more like the Brian Flores Dolphins? Is that
what you're trying to say here? I'll say they they
look maybe a little better, but what kind of esque flora?
I mean, just called what it is. Look, they've had
a great season thus far, and then the last two weeks,
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you know, they've been on the road. We knew, we
talked about this after to b Houston. This is gonna
be that stretch where they went at San France, at
l A, at Buffalo. I mean, that is a ridiculous
stretch in three weeks time, and so you knew that
was gonna be a rough stretch for them, and we're
now kind of seeing a play out. And I think
for the people out there who didn't want to believe
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in Tua, last night was a game that probably lead
you to, you know, be standing on your soapbox, you know,
screaming out there. There's other people who called Justin Herbert
social media quarterback, whatever that means. Uh. He Herber proved
those people wrong. And but you you find yourself this
position now where two us build up so much equity.
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He's had such a good season, but down the stretch
where they've needed him to play his best. And and and
by the way, I don't know that last night was
fully on to a I mean, there are some balls
where there are some contestant catches, some of the things
that could have been made, and I didn't think he
got a lot of help. I thought that was an
instance where you saw him, especially earlier in the game,
guys just we weren't making plays. I mean, and and look,
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the coverage is tight. There's there's not much you're gonna
do about it. You know, the Charges did the exact
same thing that San Francisco FORDA Nighters did. They played
a lot software zone covers. Their backers were getting really
good depth underneath all the intermediate routes because that's what
the Dolphins do. They take chunks somewhere between fifteen and
twenty yards and then they take bombs like that's essentially
if they're not throwing a screen. And the Chargers watched
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that save from the forty niners and they said, all right,
watch what Fred Warner did. Watch with some of these
other guys did with Sanfa's esco If they're usually fifteen
yards deep, they got closer to and it took away
a lot of those deeper, you know, chunk plays that
Miami has been able to get this year. At kudos
to Brandon Staley and his team for playing aggressive like
they always do, but also implementing something that stopped the
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Dolphins the previous week. And I would imagine the Buffalo
Bills are gonna do the same thing. Weather're pending there
in Buffalo. Got are we going to get a snow game?
Are you are? It's always up with there in Buffalo.
This come right now. Yeah, they're giving some flurries out there.
You saw yesterday Detroit again. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean
if it gets anywhere over like an inch and a half,
apparently that leave that joke alone everybody. But point being,
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it kind of feels like dangers accumulating us. It does
kind of feel though, that we just go back to
the original point that did you guys at any point
this season actually think Miami was a legitimate contender to
win the a f C before two US first first
head injury, I'll say no, but yeah, I think they
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could be a playoffs. Yeah, I thought that could be
a playoff teams, like like a second tier team in
the a f C. Early on I thought that they
look like a much improved team that could possibly be
a playoff team. But not a Chiefs, not a Bills,
I would say, not a Bengals. So just it's kind
of where we thought they were going to be. Turned
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it on they did last year, didn't they? Yeah, anything,
turned it on Cincinnati, Cincinnati. It just kind of feels
like we were two year in a row. Yeah, we're
getting clarity on on who the teams that are legitimate
contenders in the a f C are and Miami and
the Chargers. I don't know that anybody looked at them
and said two of those teams yeah, And so all
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that's done, I think the past couple of weeks and
then next week against Buffalo, I think all that's gonna
do is just showcase that there's still a clear difference
between the two. And you know, everybody's gonna point to
the difference between quarterback in Buffalo and Miami or Kansas
A in Miami, and then you just go back to
the same old conversation everybody has, like they have with
a lot of quarterbacks in the league. He's good enough,
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but can you want a Super Bowl with him? I
just but I don't think it takes away from what
Mike McDaniel has done. They've made to a legitimate starting
quarterback in the NFL, and whether they can win a
super Bowl or not. I mean, there's a lot of
guys who you look at the end of their career
and say, well, they never want a Super Bowl. Doesn't
mean they can't be a good quarter But there was
poor quarterback play from a lot more quarterbacks. There was
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a vast majority of quarterbacks that played not at a
high level versus a high level. Yesterday I mean from
what I could gather, you know, from all the games
I was able to watch and and obviously go and
and get get the information of of the games the
way the best way you can are the ones that
you weren't able to fully see. From what I could gather,
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it wasn't a dominant day by by quarterbacks. So I mean,
it's not this isn't like a toa thing. This is
how much how much better can your team as a
whole play, Because there are there's going to be reasons
possibly outside of the player your quarterback that's going to
be the reason why a team is able to win.
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I mean, and we'll talk about some of these other teams.
I see what we're going into, you know, next segment.
You know, you see a guy played a way that
that that you know Brock played and and the way
he was He's been lauded for the way that he's played,
but you know, there were a lot of other elements involved,
um mainly the health of of Trent Williams and Christian
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McCaffrey that would you know, make you feel as though
it's it's if you're doing he said something very interesting,
I'm doing exactly what coach Santaghan has coached me up
to do. Yeah, you know, I don't know how how
often you see that with quarterbacks right now, that they're
going to do exactly like be happy to say it,
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like I'm doing exactly what I've been coach to do,
you know, And that's that's like, you know, maybe that's
the era of time we're in right now with quarterbacks
where you know, they feel like it has to be
their way. You see how that's going in in and uh,
you know, Broncos, Land and Denver Um. But it's it
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was nice to hear a guy say, you know what,
I didn't really deviate from anything that I was told
to do and I was taught to do. I did
exactly what I was told to do, and look at
what happened. So you know, I don't know. I think
it's interesting though, because I don't think a lot of
quarterbacks played super tremendously well yesterday regardless. But but I
also think it's a time to season where there's so
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much tape on you. People have a pretty good book
out on what you can do. You're some teams, especially offensively,
are limited depending on who's injured and what they're dealing
with at this point. You know, I think that always
plays to the advantage of the defense. And then you
mix in weather, right you start to mix in what
you're getting in the northeast or what you're getting in
the northern parts of the country with some of the wind,
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whether you know, things that that are gonna slow that down. Um.
But I think the biggest takeaway just from the games
this past weekend, and not to take anything away from
tonight's game, but neither the Cardinals nor the Patriots are
teams that I view as a top of either side
of the conference. But but I would say that I
think Cincinnati is the hottest team in the a f
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C right now, and Philly looks like another team that
just seems unbeatable, like they have so far have not
had any games that make you like scratch your head
and go, who was that? Whereas Dallas yesterday was that
team for me? And I told you guys this past
week they do it once a year, and I know
they ended up winning out that game, and people are
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gonna their takeaway is gonna be We'll look at dak
and look at the Cowboys, and that's what good teams do.
They drive down the field, they go find a way
of scoring and winning the game. And I give them
all the respect for being able to execute in that
instance where you're going. But if you're if you're not
a one in ten football team, one ten and one,
whatever the Texas are mean, you're you got what four
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downs to get in the end zone inside the five, Like,
give me a break, Like that's what where if you're
playing a halfway decent team about the worst team of
the league, you find a way to touch that in
the end zone. Yeah, And if you do, and if
you don't, for me, I'm taking the points. I'm taking
the points, like I'm gonna put the pressure on my
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defense to cover them and make them have to score.
And even if they score, even if they score, right,
it's a what you still can march down the field
by chance you had, Like they're in the same situation.
If they go down and they score, it's it's what
a p to win. That's the If Houston scored a
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touchdown there, they're making a two position game, possession game.
The games over right, if they I know that, I
know that, But they weren't. They were going backwards at
the point in time that they the fourth down like,
it didn't look good. It didn't look good the way
they and I get that. I know they would have
made it a two possession game. But if you take
the points and you make it what what what would
it have been to twenty? Right, it would have been
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a six point game. If they are able to march
down and score, you're still in a situation where three
points gets you the victory. That's for me. I thought
it was questionable. Like I agree that if I get
the double digit or the two possession game that it's
it's done. But their play calling was not looking like
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they were going to get into the end zone. Like,
it did not look like they were going to get in.
They were trying to run. They were playing on the
other side of of Houston side of the ball. Why
not kick the field goal and play defense? I don't,
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three and app point favorites over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yesterday and uh yeah, missed that one. So that was
a swing and a miss on that, and that game
was over and it was overfast, and Tampa Bay does
not look like a very good football team. Well, hold on,
hold on, but let's just have the conversation, Uh, is
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it over for Tom? I mean on the football field
or because yeah, we can get into that next, but
I think we started the football field then work to
how that translates off the field. Is it him or
is it the offense? Because you you've said it on
the show a couple of times. He can still make
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the throws like he can still make but the time
not all the time, like the fourth down that he
kind of threw the back of the Mike Evans ankles
earlier in the game. I've watched that going to like,
I know he was frustrated to play before because he
thought God wouldn't got held and he pretty did. But
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I mean, you can't be begging so bad for calls
that you then just you know, throwing the town on
the next play or allow it to impact that next place.
And obviously he knows better than anyone else that, but
I think that's where he's getting in his career. It
feels like watching them, they are desperate for offensive production,
for points, you know, for things that to go their
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way like they they and maybe you could say at
different points in time in his career he has been lucky,
you know, the balls bounced his way, He's gotten the call.
There's raiders fans would say that obviously with the tuck
rule and how that's all changed. If that same plan
happened in today's game, tom Brady is not going to
a super Bowl. So I just I kind of look
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at it and I go, I know people have wanted
to call it, and when it's time and all that
this this feels like it looks like it is. And
I know there weren't there weren't a ton of suitors
for Tom Brady when he left New England. I'm not
sure if people realize that this wasn't Peyton Manning and everyone,
you know, basically you know, trying to advertise or market
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to get Payton to come to their place coming off
a neck injury. Mind you, this is a four only
five year old Tom Brady who in a year's time
looks a lot different and now he's a good decision maker.
He obviously is still distributing to the football, but him
and Mike Evans are on the same page. And and look,
maybe it is partially the offense. You know, maybe you
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put him with with someone who's you know, I don't know,
more creative or had more success, you know from what
I've heard, Uh, they were hoping maybe Byron left, which
got a head coaching job, and then he was gonna
be able to, you know, have more control over things
as far as play calling goes. You know, he has
been overly impressed with that, so maybe that's part of it.
There's some frustration there. But whatever the case is, he
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does not I mean, it looks like it's finally catching
up to him. It really does. Father time is finally
catching up. It looks like Mike Evans isn't a party
to it either, Like it looked like he it was
just irritating him. Whatever, whatever the disconnect was, it just
seemed like they the body language, the energy, you know,
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exchange just seemed to be kind of off. Like the
timing of everything seemed to be off. You know, things
that you would have expected them too to be able
to pull off together. You know, speaking of Mike and
Tom just wasn't there. And and and it looked as though,
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you know, Tom, Tom has the tendency and you make
book on it. If he if he feels there's a
guy he trusts, he's staying with him, like if something
doesn't go right, if it doesn't feel right. He's staying
with one guy. And it was interesting that he went
to Godwin and was trying to stay with Godwin in
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the game like that was We're gonna win or lose
depending on what Godwin is able to do. I mean,
he went to Mike a few times, but they just
don't seem to be on the same page. And and
you don't have a running attack. You're running game isn't
isn't really working. Your defense was playing hard. But I
don't know, man, they just they look like an average team.
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And that's with Tom Brady. They look bad. They look
below average. We'll ask yourself this. They've got identical They've
got an identical record of the Detroit Lion and could
have lost very easily last week and had wor who's
who's Who's a better team? Yeah, the Lions by far
are a better football team, the better offense. At least
say that better offense. They're going in the right direction.
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I'll tell you that that was a big win for them.
Can I ask you this? Did they have And I
know it's early on with Jamison Williams, but he immediately
in his second game comes and makes an impact. You
see the speed, big playability. They might have the top
like best four with the top five group of four
wide receivers. When when you think about ober Ross st Bron,
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how he's kind of been that stable piece DJ Shark,
the moment he's had. Now, now what's you say, Josh Wedeles,
But now that Jamison whims to like all four of
those guys that somebody, I mean, people Detroit need to
start looking at that front office and looking at what
Dan Campbell's done at the coaching staff, developing, helping to
build this roster. They deserve a lot of credit. And
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I know people are gonna probably hammer us for talking
about a team that's still gonna losing record. They are
so dramatically improved from what they've been you have to
acknowledge it, and you acknowledge it because that's that's the point.
They've got the same record as Tampa Bay and they
feel like completely different franchises just heading in completely different
because there's completely different expectations too, Like you don't have
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an expectation for Detroit like you do for Tampa. We're
expecting Tampa to to snap out of it, Like when
are you gonna snap out of it? Well, what if
they're not going to snap. But at this point in
the season, you are what you are, right kind of
sort of? Yeah. I mean it's you know, week four teen,
and they're just kind of up and down and up
and down. And I don't know who's gonna get them
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in the first round, assuming they still win the NFC South,
which would would be my assumption. They're gonna win the
NFC South, but who the hell knows with Caroline and
the way they're playing recently. But whoever gets them in
the first round, and it looks like it's probably gonna
be Dallas at this point. I mean, I don't think
Tampa has a chance. It is great draw. Only problem
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is only problem is here we go, Here we go.
I don't trust their offense and Tampa Bay tampaas yeah,
and Tampa Bay could could easily sneak up on them
and make it a worst horrible day for him. I mean,
I'll give you that. Tom Brady in the playoffs just
makes you go off. He's obviously got a shot. It's
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Tom Brady, right, Tom Brady, not this team, man. I'm sorry,
like I just and I feel back is Defensively, they're
starting to wear down a bit right, like a little bit.
There were some plays in that game, like Jamaldine, I
have no idea why he's biting out a double move
and he just allows Brock pretty the lab one up
and we should talk brock Purty. He look, he did
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what they asked him to do. But let's not let's
not read into this too much. You know, people are
acting likely three for four nard yards, so like he didn't.
It was that he put the team on his back.
It's just I'm not sure if they if the broadcast
is just trying to sell the game, or it's such
a good story because he was Mr Irrelevant and the
the story with his parents. His parents haven't been too
many games this year, but they were coming to this
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one because they wanted to see Tom Brady. Just so happens,
Brock Purti is getting his first start. I mean, look,
he was efficient, he did what he was asked to do. Um,
but it helps when you have Christian McCaffrey run for
almost a hundred and twenty yards on fourteen carries. Let
me think about that. Literally, the dude's ripping off runs
for almost six yards an attempt. I mean it helps
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when you've got that in your backfield. So I I
just kind of looking at it and go all right,
like between you know, their their ground game and the
way things it kind of opened up for him. I'm
not I'm not. I'm not trying to take anything away.
I just pumped the brakes on it. Kyle Shannon's He's
like the Kansas City of the NFC. His play calling,
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his his ability to use his guys in different manners,
like everybody's like, oh, this is the most versatile group
of Well, that's because Kyle Shanahan uses them in versatile positions.
I mean that's he's putting Kittle on the backfield, he's
lining you know, McCaffrey out on on the edge like
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you you got, you got Samuel over here, he's in
the wings slot position. Like you don't really have the
ability to create I mean, you would really have to
try to create book on them to know what their
tendencies are based upon where guys are aligned. And I
think it would be a nightmare as as a defensive
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coordinator and as a defense to prepare for the forty
nine Earth and and listen, they lose Deebo yesterday. Hopefully
he he you know, gets better well, well soon, but
being a report as a high ankle sprain, that's looking
like it looked like it was a double high ankle sprain.
And then not to mentioned like you sit on the
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on the message like and he grabbed his knee, you know,
and we thought it. We thought when when von Miller
went down, it's like, oh, that's high ankle, like that
looks like an ankle or or like an Achilles situation.
Turns out his knee was so you you know, until
they check you off. I thought that's what you said. Yeah,
but I thought they put it on pretty quickly, so
(27:37):
nobody caught that on the project they put his knee
actually just popped back off and just threw it on.
You know. It's amazing the technology here. Uh So, hey, LeVar,
speaking of what we were talking about yesterday, you said
that there could be a couple of players, uh who
maybe needs to that. Yeah, and they maybe need to start,
you know, getting some boxes to get heard. What Q said, like,
(27:59):
it's like let's pump our brakes, let's slow down a
little bit. This down another. But there's always a reason
why the media gets behind certain stories. There's always an origin.
In San Francisco I mean, they're all in trouble. If
if Brock Purty keeps playing the way that that he's playing,
it's it's a rap for all of them. Who Trey Lanton,
(28:24):
Jimmy g What what year would this be for a
trade coming up? For that might be the only thing
saving him is that they don't have to read like
if Brock continues to play the way that he's playing, well,
let me just say this. Think about in the past,
who Kyle Shanahan has won games with or like match
(28:47):
Shop Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl Quarterback r G three Rookie
of the Year Offensive rookie ye, at least his rookie years,
He's won games with Nick Mullins. Remember the hype around
Nick Mullins, Like Nick Mullins was traded for this season
because of what Kyle shannonhan has done with him, were
now people look at him as a viable backup option. C. J. Bethard,
(29:09):
same thing, like he is to LaVar. To your point,
I still to this day never feel like Kyle Shanahan
gets to do in the credit for the offensive mind
that he is. I think in the league, in league circles,
anytime people start talking about hot Sea, whatever, else other
coaches go, you're crazy. He'll get a job in a second.
(29:30):
Like he will literally be putting the first thing in
his box to go if the forty Niners ever move
on from him, and he'll already have five texts by
just saying are you coming, are you gonna? Are you coming?
Do you want this job? Are you already will be done.
That's how well respected he is as an offensive mind
and the things that he does. It's not just the
talent they have. And I think it's in part because
(29:51):
their defense is so talented, it kind of gets overshadowed
when meanwhile they've had all these injuries at the quarterback position.
But I just I look. I look at his offensive
prowess and the way he goes about calling plays and
designing plays, and you go, yeah, of course, you know.
San Francisco is gonna have a shot at getting into
the playoffs and making a run if brock Purdy just
does what Kyle Shanahan, you know, coach them to do.
(30:13):
But here's the truth. That only lasts for so long
before a team gets a book out on what brock
Purdy is able to do. Like he was the last
pick of the draft because there's limitations to his game,
and guess what the teams eventually gonna do. They're gonna
force him to have to play within those limitations and
win games. With those limitations. They'll they'll stop the run,
(30:35):
they'll be able to score enough points where they'll say, Okay,
Brock pretty go win it. And and that's where that's
where you kind of get caught up in some of
the hype right now. But once you get in the playoffs,
once you get to those those games where there's two
or three games now with him starting, there's a book
at autumn, you start to see the true colors reveal themselves.
But I think Shanahan is what what I saw him
(30:56):
do with r G three that rookie season, and I
was there covering it like day to day. What he
was able to do to take those those limitations that
he had was phenomenal. I would feel, hell yeah, hell yeah.
He's a one read dude. RG three, r G three
(31:17):
was a one read dude. Maybe it'll that'll be included
in this book. I'm gonna read. Look, look, I'm gonna
read this. This is my read. Nope, not they're out
of here. I'm out of here, like literally I'm running.
He's running, and once people figured out that, all right,
we're gonna follow his head anyway. Not getting too deep
off in r G three, I just think the point
(31:38):
is with with with Shanahan, if he can maintain the
balance and and that's a tremendous loss, losing Deebo Samuel
and it really is. But if he can keep that
offensive front healthy, especially mainly Trent Williams, Like you were
talking about McCaffrey getting six yards and in four yards
(31:58):
and yard big yards. You know why because Big Trent
was out there clearing clearings out. I mean he was
there was There were certain runs where he didn't even
get touched until he was six seven yards down the field.
So if, if, if Shanahan can keep a healthy balance
between that run game and keep that pressure from having
(32:20):
to be what parties his limitations are. I feel like
they're still sitting pretty man, because their defense is flying around.
They've always been known to be a pretty physical team
up front. I mean they bring it like a new
age Denver Broncos and Mike Shanahan Denver Broncos team, Like
you see the personality, the disposition, like the way the
(32:43):
era of confidence that that they moved with. They're dangerous. Man.
Philly proved to me yesterday they're the most dangerous team
and the NSC and could be the most dangerous team
in the league. They proved that. Like I'm not gonna
make them a qualifier anymore. They're they're the most dangerous team.
On end, I think the forty Niners are the second.
(33:07):
I think that they have to be looked at as
as that next that next group, that next group. I
really do I think they're that because I'm gonna tell you,
Washington is dangerous. New York I'm not on I'm I'm
I'm off that boat. I'm I'm off of that train.
But both New York's, both New York's, I'm off that train.
(33:28):
Like I'm not, I'm not right in that subway. But
but I still feel as though Washington could be that
that next team that's like they're taking they're taking a
step forward. It's possible. But if I'm saying right now today,
who's that third team that's dangerous, that could be dangerous,
(33:48):
I'm gonna give it to to Dallas because I've never
wavered on their defense. That's all. I've never wavered on
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didn't want to lose. Nobody wanted to lose that game.
But Army twenty took the took the win on that one.
That was a fun game, man, that was a lot
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(36:20):
it Army or Navy that completed the first pass of
the game? Uh? And it was the first plane overtime
form Who got the ball first in overtime? Was it
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Point being they had not thrown the ball until that
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everybody who win against the grain said, do you know what,
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an over of thirty two. I mean, come on, man,
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how we feeling fired up? Energized? Fellas? You know, do
you think a lot of the Dolphins fans right now? Yeah?
Do you think a lot of TA haters? A lot
of people out there? What do they call them? Too?
And on? Is that? Are those the supporters fans of TWA?
So the people that don't like to they're probably pretty
thrilled with what they've seen the past couple of games,
probably feel feel vindicated with their criticism of what the
(01:50):
Miami Dolphins are the past couple of games, based on
their performances, seems like it was it was going around
and people were pretty pleased with Justin Herbert out playing
two A talk about Lowell last night. Although all you
have to do is basically throw it up to Tyreek
Hill and then he'll just go ahead and take the
rest from there. Even if he's got a banged up wheel,
you don't have to do that. You just have the
(02:10):
fubble zone to theay of scoring. That was but I
like when he picked it up and nobody had a
chance to it, just pointed and just said he had
just taken around the side. Nobody's got a chance. Before
you think he was the kid at playground that like
just dominated kids since he was a kindergarten I would assume.
So yeah, even even before, like you know, it's like
(02:34):
how it gets real competitive practices and stuff like that.
In that games, he was the kid that was actually
better than the kids playing in the games on Saturdays.
They were like, look at that kid that right there,
he's moving better than the kids that are out there
on the field. He's that one and pick up games.
Everybody like, look at him, he's only five yoked up. Yeah,
(03:05):
they where it was pretty impressive. Tyreek Hill on a
couple of plays last night but nonetheless, the l A
Chargers get it done. And look, I don't know that
that anybody looks at them as being a legit contender
in the a f C. But I think we're kind
of at the point where it feels like if they
don't make the playoffs, Brandon Staley might be done. Like
like we we could be looking at Brandon Staley being
(03:27):
out of a job they don't make the playoffs. So
really it feels like he's kind of coaching for his gig.
There were men the rest of the way as opposed
to Mike McDaniel, who's feel good story everybody likes what
he's done with two it feels like both those guys
are kind of in different spots. And quarterback came out
in the same draft class. But Brandon Staley and all
the talent they're they're trying to find a guy that
maximizes that. So maybe maybe the Chargers going to run
(03:50):
here and there are another threat in the a f C.
You know where they're Yeah, the seven seven spot. Now,
I don't know how that factors in with the Patriot
if they were to win to Night, because they I
believe also would be seven and six. But I know this,
it doesn't kick out the Jets because if the Patriots
would have wanted, would have kicked out the Jets since
they have the sweep against them and now with the
(04:11):
Chargers definitively winning, the Jets are at this point. We'll
get to that a little bit, but it's heating up
in the A f C. I mean, we're getting a
lot of jockeying, you know, a lot of jockeying around
for a position if you will, you know, my my
biggest takeaways. I guess my biggest storyline from from the
late night game was it you you wanted to see
(04:34):
if if Miami could win a big game that wasn't
super super super big. And I know that might sound weird,
but this was a big game for for Miami. This
was a big game for the Chargers, even though both
teams are kind of at that fringe point. Right there,
(04:54):
at that fringe mark of you know, you could almost
have the conversation of how good a teams are? They like,
do we know how good the Miami Dolphins are at
this point? Do we know how good the l A
Chargers are? So while I'm watching the game, it's kind
of like, who's going to establish you know that this
(05:18):
is a team that's going in there. They're playing December football.
Who's going in the right direction? I would say it.
I did not come out of the game feeling that
there was a definitive answer to that question, even though
the Chargers won. I don't know. I maybe I was
underwhelmed by the fashion in which they won. But now
(05:43):
I'm starting to look at Miami and I'm like, Miami
is starting to kind of look a little bit like
the team where we're like, yeah, that's you know, they're
better than what they have been, but they're certainly not
upper echelance elie eat I mean, is that is that?
Is that an unfair Are you trying to say that
(06:04):
they look more like the Brian Flores Dolphins? Is that
what you're trying to say here? I'll say they they
look maybe a little better, but what kind of esque flora?
I mean, just called what it is. Look, they've had
a great season thus far, and then the last two weeks,
(06:28):
you know, they've been on the road. We knew, we
talked about this after to b Houston. This is gonna
be that stretch where they went at San France, at
l A, at Buffalo. I mean, that is a ridiculous
stretch in three weeks time, and so you knew that
was gonna be a rough stretch for them, and we're
now kind of seeing a play out. And I think
for the people out there who didn't want to believe
(06:49):
in Tua, last night was a game that probably lead
you to, you know, be standing on your soapbox, you know,
screaming out there. There's other people who called Justin Herbert
social media quarterback, whatever that means. Uh. He Herber proved
those people wrong. And but you you find yourself this
position now where two us build up so much equity.
(07:11):
He's had such a good season, but down the stretch
where they've needed him to play his best. And and and
by the way, I don't know that last night was
fully on to a I mean, there are some balls
where there are some contestant catches, some of the things
that could have been made, and I didn't think he
got a lot of help. I thought that was an
instance where you saw him, especially earlier in the game,
guys just we weren't making plays. I mean, and and look,
(07:32):
the coverage is tight. There's there's not much you're gonna
do about it. You know, the Charges did the exact
same thing that San Francisco FORDA Nighters did. They played
a lot software zone covers. Their backers were getting really
good depth underneath all the intermediate routes because that's what
the Dolphins do. They take chunks somewhere between fifteen and
twenty yards and then they take bombs like that's essentially
if they're not throwing a screen. And the Chargers watched
(07:55):
that save from the forty niners and they said, all right,
watch what Fred Warner did. Watch with some of these
other guys did with Sanfa's esco If they're usually fifteen
yards deep, they got closer to and it took away
a lot of those deeper, you know, chunk plays that
Miami has been able to get this year. At kudos
to Brandon Staley and his team for playing aggressive like
they always do, but also implementing something that stopped the
(08:16):
Dolphins the previous week. And I would imagine the Buffalo
Bills are gonna do the same thing. Weather're pending there
in Buffalo. Got are we going to get a snow game?
Are you are? It's always up with there in Buffalo.
This come right now. Yeah, they're giving some flurries out there.
You saw yesterday Detroit again. Yeah, yeah, well, I mean
if it gets anywhere over like an inch and a half,
apparently that leave that joke alone everybody. But point being,
(08:40):
it kind of feels like dangers accumulating us. It does
kind of feel though, that we just go back to
the original point that did you guys at any point
this season actually think Miami was a legitimate contender to
win the a f C before two US first first
head injury, I'll say no, but yeah, I think they
(09:04):
could be a playoffs. Yeah, I thought that could be
a playoff teams, like like a second tier team in
the a f C. Early on I thought that they
look like a much improved team that could possibly be
a playoff team. But not a Chiefs, not a Bills,
I would say, not a Bengals. So just it's kind
of where we thought they were going to be. Turned
(09:24):
it on they did last year, didn't they? Yeah, anything,
turned it on Cincinnati, Cincinnati. It just kind of feels
like we were two year in a row. Yeah, we're
getting clarity on on who the teams that are legitimate
contenders in the a f C are and Miami and
the Chargers. I don't know that anybody looked at them
and said two of those teams yeah, And so all
(09:45):
that's done, I think the past couple of weeks and
then next week against Buffalo, I think all that's gonna
do is just showcase that there's still a clear difference
between the two. And you know, everybody's gonna point to
the difference between quarterback in Buffalo and Miami or Kansas
A in Miami, and then you just go back to
the same old conversation everybody has, like they have with
a lot of quarterbacks in the league. He's good enough,
(10:06):
but can you want a Super Bowl with him? I
just but I don't think it takes away from what
Mike McDaniel has done. They've made to a legitimate starting
quarterback in the NFL, and whether they can win a
super Bowl or not. I mean, there's a lot of
guys who you look at the end of their career
and say, well, they never want a Super Bowl. Doesn't
mean they can't be a good quarter But there was
poor quarterback play from a lot more quarterbacks. There was
(10:30):
a vast majority of quarterbacks that played not at a
high level versus a high level. Yesterday I mean from
what I could gather, you know, from all the games
I was able to watch and and obviously go and
and get get the information of of the games the
way the best way you can are the ones that
you weren't able to fully see. From what I could gather,
(10:53):
it wasn't a dominant day by by quarterbacks. So I mean,
it's not this isn't like a toa thing. This is
how much how much better can your team as a
whole play, Because there are there's going to be reasons
possibly outside of the player your quarterback that's going to
be the reason why a team is able to win.
(11:15):
I mean, and we'll talk about some of these other teams.
I see what we're going into, you know, next segment.
You know, you see a guy played a way that
that that you know Brock played and and the way
he was He's been lauded for the way that he's played,
but you know, there were a lot of other elements involved,
um mainly the health of of Trent Williams and Christian
(11:35):
McCaffrey that would you know, make you feel as though
it's it's if you're doing he said something very interesting,
I'm doing exactly what coach Santaghan has coached me up
to do. Yeah, you know, I don't know how how
often you see that with quarterbacks right now, that they're
going to do exactly like be happy to say it,
(11:57):
like I'm doing exactly what I've been coach to do,
you know, And that's that's like, you know, maybe that's
the era of time we're in right now with quarterbacks
where you know, they feel like it has to be
their way. You see how that's going in in and uh,
you know, Broncos, Land and Denver Um. But it's it
(12:17):
was nice to hear a guy say, you know what,
I didn't really deviate from anything that I was told
to do and I was taught to do. I did
exactly what I was told to do, and look at
what happened. So you know, I don't know. I think
it's interesting though, because I don't think a lot of
quarterbacks played super tremendously well yesterday regardless. But but I
also think it's a time to season where there's so
(12:39):
much tape on you. People have a pretty good book
out on what you can do. You're some teams, especially offensively,
are limited depending on who's injured and what they're dealing
with at this point. You know, I think that always
plays to the advantage of the defense. And then you
mix in weather, right you start to mix in what
you're getting in the northeast or what you're getting in
the northern parts of the country with some of the wind,
(13:00):
whether you know, things that that are gonna slow that down. Um.
But I think the biggest takeaway just from the games
this past weekend, and not to take anything away from
tonight's game, but neither the Cardinals nor the Patriots are
teams that I view as a top of either side
of the conference. But but I would say that I
think Cincinnati is the hottest team in the a f
(13:20):
C right now, and Philly looks like another team that
just seems unbeatable, like they have so far have not
had any games that make you like scratch your head
and go, who was that? Whereas Dallas yesterday was that
team for me? And I told you guys this past
week they do it once a year, and I know
they ended up winning out that game, and people are
(13:41):
gonna their takeaway is gonna be We'll look at dak
and look at the Cowboys, and that's what good teams do.
They drive down the field, they go find a way
of scoring and winning the game. And I give them
all the respect for being able to execute in that
instance where you're going. But if you're if you're not
a one in ten football team, one ten and one,
whatever the Texas are mean, you're you got what four
(14:04):
downs to get in the end zone inside the five, Like,
give me a break, Like that's what where if you're
playing a halfway decent team about the worst team of
the league, you find a way to touch that in
the end zone. Yeah, And if you do, and if
you don't, for me, I'm taking the points. I'm taking
the points, like I'm gonna put the pressure on my
(14:27):
defense to cover them and make them have to score.
And even if they score, even if they score, right,
it's a what you still can march down the field
by chance you had, Like they're in the same situation.
If they go down and they score, it's it's what
a p to win. That's the If Houston scored a
(14:50):
touchdown there, they're making a two position game, possession game.
The games over right, if they I know that, I
know that, But they weren't. They were going backwards at
the point in time that they the fourth down like,
it didn't look good. It didn't look good the way
they and I get that. I know they would have
made it a two possession game. But if you take
the points and you make it what what what would
it have been to twenty? Right, it would have been
(15:12):
a six point game. If they are able to march
down and score, you're still in a situation where three
points gets you the victory. That's for me. I thought
it was questionable. Like I agree that if I get
the double digit or the two possession game that it's
it's done. But their play calling was not looking like
(15:35):
they were going to get into the end zone. Like,
it did not look like they were going to get in.
They were trying to run. They were playing on the
other side of of Houston side of the ball. Why
not kick the field goal and play defense? I don't,
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three and app point favorites over the Tampa Bay Buccaneers
yesterday and uh yeah, missed that one. So that was
a swing and a miss on that, and that game
was over and it was overfast, and Tampa Bay does
not look like a very good football team. Well, hold on,
hold on, but let's just have the conversation, Uh, is
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it over for Tom? I mean on the football field
or because yeah, we can get into that next, but
I think we started the football field then work to
how that translates off the field. Is it him or
is it the offense? Because you you've said it on
the show a couple of times. He can still make
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the throws like he can still make but the time
not all the time, like the fourth down that he
kind of threw the back of the Mike Evans ankles
earlier in the game. I've watched that going to like,
I know he was frustrated to play before because he
thought God wouldn't got held and he pretty did. But
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I mean, you can't be begging so bad for calls
that you then just you know, throwing the town on
the next play or allow it to impact that next place.
And obviously he knows better than anyone else that, but
I think that's where he's getting in his career. It
feels like watching them, they are desperate for offensive production,
for points, you know, for things that to go their
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way like they they and maybe you could say at
different points in time in his career he has been lucky,
you know, the balls bounced his way, He's gotten the call.
There's raiders fans would say that obviously with the tuck
rule and how that's all changed. If that same plan
happened in today's game, tom Brady is not going to
a super Bowl. So I just I kind of look
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at it and I go, I know people have wanted
to call it, and when it's time and all that
this this feels like it looks like it is. And
I know there weren't there weren't a ton of suitors
for Tom Brady when he left New England. I'm not
sure if people realize that this wasn't Peyton Manning and everyone,
you know, basically you know, trying to advertise or market
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to get Payton to come to their place coming off
a neck injury. Mind you, this is a four only
five year old Tom Brady who in a year's time
looks a lot different and now he's a good decision maker.
He obviously is still distributing to the football, but him
and Mike Evans are on the same page. And and look,
maybe it is partially the offense. You know, maybe you
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put him with with someone who's you know, I don't know,
more creative or had more success, you know from what
I've heard, Uh, they were hoping maybe Byron left, which
got a head coaching job, and then he was gonna
be able to, you know, have more control over things
as far as play calling goes. You know, he has
been overly impressed with that, so maybe that's part of it.
There's some frustration there. But whatever the case is, he
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does not I mean, it looks like it's finally catching
up to him. It really does. Father time is finally
catching up. It looks like Mike Evans isn't a party
to it either, Like it looked like he it was
just irritating him. Whatever, whatever the disconnect was, it just
seemed like they the body language, the energy, you know,
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exchange just seemed to be kind of off. Like the
timing of everything seemed to be off. You know, things
that you would have expected them too to be able
to pull off together. You know, speaking of Mike and
Tom just wasn't there. And and and it looked as though,
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you know, Tom, Tom has the tendency and you make
book on it. If he if he feels there's a
guy he trusts, he's staying with him, like if something
doesn't go right, if it doesn't feel right. He's staying
with one guy. And it was interesting that he went
to Godwin and was trying to stay with Godwin in
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the game like that was We're gonna win or lose
depending on what Godwin is able to do. I mean,
he went to Mike a few times, but they just
don't seem to be on the same page. And and
you don't have a running attack. You're running game isn't
isn't really working. Your defense was playing hard. But I
don't know, man, they just they look like an average team.
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And that's with Tom Brady. They look bad. They look
below average. We'll ask yourself this. They've got identical They've
got an identical record of the Detroit Lion and could
have lost very easily last week and had wor who's
who's Who's a better team? Yeah, the Lions by far
are a better football team, the better offense. At least
say that better offense. They're going in the right direction.
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I'll tell you that that was a big win for them.
Can I ask you this? Did they have And I
know it's early on with Jamison Williams, but he immediately
in his second game comes and makes an impact. You
see the speed, big playability. They might have the top
like best four with the top five group of four
wide receivers. When when you think about ober Ross st Bron,
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how he's kind of been that stable piece DJ Shark,
the moment he's had. Now, now what's you say, Josh Wedeles,
But now that Jamison whims to like all four of
those guys that somebody, I mean, people Detroit need to
start looking at that front office and looking at what
Dan Campbell's done at the coaching staff, developing, helping to
build this roster. They deserve a lot of credit. And
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I know people are gonna probably hammer us for talking
about a team that's still gonna losing record. They are
so dramatically improved from what they've been you have to
acknowledge it, and you acknowledge it because that's that's the point.
They've got the same record as Tampa Bay and they
feel like completely different franchises just heading in completely different
because there's completely different expectations too, Like you don't have
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an expectation for Detroit like you do for Tampa. We're
expecting Tampa to to snap out of it, Like when
are you gonna snap out of it? Well, what if
they're not going to snap. But at this point in
the season, you are what you are, right kind of
sort of? Yeah. I mean it's you know, week four teen,
and they're just kind of up and down and up
and down. And I don't know who's gonna get them
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in the first round, assuming they still win the NFC South,
which would would be my assumption. They're gonna win the
NFC South, but who the hell knows with Caroline and
the way they're playing recently. But whoever gets them in
the first round, and it looks like it's probably gonna
be Dallas at this point. I mean, I don't think
Tampa has a chance. It is great draw. Only problem
(24:23):
is only problem is here we go, Here we go.
I don't trust their offense and Tampa Bay tampaas yeah,
and Tampa Bay could could easily sneak up on them
and make it a worst horrible day for him. I mean,
I'll give you that. Tom Brady in the playoffs just
makes you go off. He's obviously got a shot. It's
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Tom Brady, right, Tom Brady, not this team, man. I'm sorry,
like I just and I feel back is Defensively, they're
starting to wear down a bit right, like a little bit.
There were some plays in that game, like Jamaldine, I
have no idea why he's biting out a double move
and he just allows Brock pretty the lab one up
and we should talk brock Purty. He look, he did
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what they asked him to do. But let's not let's
not read into this too much. You know, people are
acting likely three for four nard yards, so like he didn't.
It was that he put the team on his back.
It's just I'm not sure if they if the broadcast
is just trying to sell the game, or it's such
a good story because he was Mr Irrelevant and the
the story with his parents. His parents haven't been too
many games this year, but they were coming to this
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one because they wanted to see Tom Brady. Just so happens,
Brock Purti is getting his first start. I mean, look,
he was efficient, he did what he was asked to do. Um,
but it helps when you have Christian McCaffrey run for
almost a hundred and twenty yards on fourteen carries. Let
me think about that. Literally, the dude's ripping off runs
for almost six yards an attempt. I mean it helps
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when you've got that in your backfield. So I I
just kind of looking at it and go all right,
like between you know, their their ground game and the
way things it kind of opened up for him. I'm
not I'm not. I'm not trying to take anything away.
I just pumped the brakes on it. Kyle Shannon's He's
like the Kansas City of the NFC. His play calling,
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his his ability to use his guys in different manners,
like everybody's like, oh, this is the most versatile group
of Well, that's because Kyle Shanahan uses them in versatile positions.
I mean that's he's putting Kittle on the backfield, he's
lining you know, McCaffrey out on on the edge like
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you you got, you got Samuel over here, he's in
the wings slot position. Like you don't really have the
ability to create I mean, you would really have to
try to create book on them to know what their
tendencies are based upon where guys are aligned. And I
think it would be a nightmare as as a defensive
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coordinator and as a defense to prepare for the forty
nine Earth and and listen, they lose Deebo yesterday. Hopefully
he he you know, gets better well, well soon, but
being a report as a high ankle sprain, that's looking
like it looked like it was a double high ankle sprain.
And then not to mentioned like you sit on the
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on the message like and he grabbed his knee, you know,
and we thought it. We thought when when von Miller
went down, it's like, oh, that's high ankle, like that
looks like an ankle or or like an Achilles situation.
Turns out his knee was so you you know, until
they check you off. I thought that's what you said. Yeah,
but I thought they put it on pretty quickly, so
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nobody caught that on the project they put his knee
actually just popped back off and just threw it on.
You know. It's amazing the technology here. Uh So, hey, LeVar,
speaking of what we were talking about yesterday, you said
that there could be a couple of players, uh who
maybe needs to that. Yeah, and they maybe need to start,
you know, getting some boxes to get heard. What Q said, like,
(27:59):
it's like let's pump our brakes, let's slow down a
little bit. This down another. But there's always a reason
why the media gets behind certain stories. There's always an origin.
In San Francisco I mean, they're all in trouble. If
if Brock Purty keeps playing the way that that he's playing,
it's it's a rap for all of them. Who Trey Lanton,
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Jimmy g What what year would this be for a
trade coming up? For that might be the only thing
saving him is that they don't have to read like
if Brock continues to play the way that he's playing, well,
let me just say this. Think about in the past,
who Kyle Shanahan has won games with or like match
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Shop Pro Bowl, Pro Bowl Quarterback r G three Rookie
of the Year Offensive rookie ye, at least his rookie years,
He's won games with Nick Mullins. Remember the hype around
Nick Mullins, Like Nick Mullins was traded for this season
because of what Kyle shannonhan has done with him, were
now people look at him as a viable backup option. C. J. Bethard,
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same thing, like he is to LaVar. To your point,
I still to this day never feel like Kyle Shanahan
gets to do in the credit for the offensive mind
that he is. I think in the league, in league circles,
anytime people start talking about hot Sea, whatever, else other
coaches go, you're crazy. He'll get a job in a second.
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Like he will literally be putting the first thing in
his box to go if the forty Niners ever move
on from him, and he'll already have five texts by
just saying are you coming, are you gonna? Are you coming?
Do you want this job? Are you already will be done.
That's how well respected he is as an offensive mind
and the things that he does. It's not just the
talent they have. And I think it's in part because
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their defense is so talented, it kind of gets overshadowed
when meanwhile they've had all these injuries at the quarterback position.
But I just I look. I look at his offensive
prowess and the way he goes about calling plays and
designing plays, and you go, yeah, of course, you know.
San Francisco is gonna have a shot at getting into
the playoffs and making a run if brock Purdy just
does what Kyle Shanahan, you know, coach them to do.
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But here's the truth. That only lasts for so long
before a team gets a book out on what brock
Purdy is able to do. Like he was the last
pick of the draft because there's limitations to his game,
and guess what the teams eventually gonna do. They're gonna
force him to have to play within those limitations and
win games. With those limitations. They'll they'll stop the run,
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they'll be able to score enough points where they'll say, Okay,
Brock pretty go win it. And and that's where that's
where you kind of get caught up in some of
the hype right now. But once you get in the playoffs,
once you get to those those games where there's two
or three games now with him starting, there's a book
at autumn, you start to see the true colors reveal themselves.
But I think Shanahan is what what I saw him
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do with r G three that rookie season, and I
was there covering it like day to day. What he
was able to do to take those those limitations that
he had was phenomenal. I would feel, hell yeah, hell yeah.
He's a one read dude. RG three, r G three
(31:17):
was a one read dude. Maybe it'll that'll be included
in this book. I'm gonna read. Look, look, I'm gonna
read this. This is my read. Nope, not they're out
of here. I'm out of here, like literally I'm running.
He's running, and once people figured out that, all right,
we're gonna follow his head anyway. Not getting too deep
off in r G three, I just think the point
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is with with with Shanahan, if he can maintain the
balance and and that's a tremendous loss, losing Deebo Samuel
and it really is. But if he can keep that
offensive front healthy, especially mainly Trent Williams, Like you were
talking about McCaffrey getting six yards and in four yards
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and yard big yards. You know why because Big Trent
was out there clearing clearings out. I mean he was
there was There were certain runs where he didn't even
get touched until he was six seven yards down the field.
So if, if, if Shanahan can keep a healthy balance
between that run game and keep that pressure from having
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to be what parties his limitations are. I feel like
they're still sitting pretty man, because their defense is flying around.
They've always been known to be a pretty physical team
up front. I mean they bring it like a new
age Denver Broncos and Mike Shanahan Denver Broncos team, Like
you see the personality, the disposition, like the way the
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era of confidence that that they moved with. They're dangerous. Man.
Philly proved to me yesterday they're the most dangerous team
and the NSC and could be the most dangerous team
in the league. They proved that. Like I'm not gonna
make them a qualifier anymore. They're they're the most dangerous team.
On end, I think the forty Niners are the second.
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I think that they have to be looked at as
as that next that next group, that next group. I
really do I think they're that because I'm gonna tell you,
Washington is dangerous. New York I'm not on I'm I'm
I'm off that boat. I'm I'm off of that train.
But both New York's, both New York's, I'm off that train.
(33:28):
Like I'm not, I'm not right in that subway. But
but I still feel as though Washington could be that
that next team that's like they're taking they're taking a
step forward. It's possible. But if I'm saying right now today,
who's that third team that's dangerous, that could be dangerous,
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I'm gonna give it to to Dallas because I've never
wavered on their defense. That's all. I've never wavered on
their defense. All right, it's coming up next. We saw
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the her. Yeah, it took double overtime. They've never gone
to overtime in the last hundred two previous meetings. They
didn't want to lose. Nobody wanted to lose that game.
But Army twenty took the took the win on that one.
That was a fun game, man, that was a lot
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(36:20):
it Army or Navy that completed the first pass of
the game? Uh? And it was the first plane overtime
form Who got the ball first in overtime? Was it
Navy or Army? Why am I drawing a blank here?
Point being they had not thrown the ball until that
point or completed a pass until that point. They did
it in overtime. Army was having a hard time getting
a shotgun snap, so that that was a bit of
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an issue. Well, I mean, listen, it happens. You know,
it's you know, it's typicult out there. But congratulations to
everybody who win against the grain said, do you know what,
just gonna ignore history, let's go ahead and let's take
the over. And they got paid in overtime, although I
think you should only get half pay to be honest
with you, if it's takes over time to hit it
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an over of thirty two. I mean, come on, man,
what are we doing here? And by the way, you
know that wasn't the lowest point total opening point total
spread of the college football season. You know, Iowa Minnesota,
we're projected to have a lower point total than Army
Navy and it hit the uder in Iowa Minnesota. What
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was there? It was about the same Army nave was two? Yeah,
what is the bowl game? Excuse me for Iowa and Kentucky. Um,
that one's really low to Okay, let me look at well,
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the fact that they she may be a co star,
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Carol Basket. They weren't friendly, they were enemies, so they're
sworn enemies. Yeah, but I'm on the way. The over
under of Iowa, Kentucky is thirty one and a half.
Jonah still was a good job being quick on the
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