December 20, 2022 • 52 mins
Monday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, the Packers take care of business vs the Rams BUT can they win out for a chance at the playoffs. The guys look forward to Minshew Mania in the case Jalen Hurts sits with a sprained shoulder which may hurt his odds in the race for MVP. Bill Belichick tries to answer for the lateral mess vs the Raiders. Never assume a game is over, Mad Dog 20/20 AND MUCH MORE!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
of Joe with Lamar Areas, Rady Quinn and Jonas Knocks
on radio. All right, so the Monday night football game,
what's the takeaway? UM, I mean, you kind of felt
like you were gonna see the Rams struggle offensively. I mean,
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that's how I felt going into it. You know, I
just I think that the most like the Baker arrival
and come back when all of the drama and theatrics
that went with that, that was great. You know, the
offensive line got away with some hold that allowed them
to stay in that game and even have a chance
at the end. And last night was more of an
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example of just I think a better football team that
still has playoff hopes and one that really should be
looking into next year to rebuild. It's just, you know,
they traded away a lot of draft picks. It's not
like the Rams have a ton of picks to rebuild.
But I do think they're there is something there the
rest of the season to take a good hard look
at Baker Mayfield and see maybe what he is as
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a future in l A. But for the Packers, I
think it's still the focus is on the here and
now and trying to find a way to get back
in the playoffs. I will say this guy's the last
time they won a Super Bowl, right. I think that
season they had to win their last two games to
get in as a wild card, ended up, you know,
moving on to win a super Bowl. So this would
be a much more difficult task. They have to win
their next three I believe as well, and still need help.
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But you know it's been done before. They they've done
it before. I think I gotta say I was underwhelmed
by both teams. It's like one of those games you
watched and you know, A. J. Dillon had a day,
you know, Christian Uh, what's what's his last Christians Watson, Watson,
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Randy Wattson, Yeah, he had he had a good show.
And I mean he's starting to really apply himself. Is
it really looks like, uh, he's really um starting to
figure it out. So I mean I see some something
Aaron Jones obviously is they I mean they used they
used their their guys nicely. Lazart was involved when guys
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were involved last night with you know, with with the
offense with Green Bay and and but I was still
kind of underwhelmed, Like I didn't feel like it's like, okay,
they are that type of team that can get hot
and and make a run. It just looked like it
was like this was my takeaway. It was, uh, an
average team beating up on a team that's less you know,
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or more average than they are. Like that's what it
looked like. Bang up, yeah, and banged up and banged
up to to that point. Um, you know, the Rams
are banged up and and and there's some some cases
on with with you know, Green Bay as well. But
I just I just was underwhelmed, Like I watched the
way I was looking to see if Baker could really
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have a good showing on on a prime time platform.
I mean, he was under pressure. You know, give give
Green Bay credit for that. He was under pressure. He
wasn't really comfortable. It didn't look like he found the
rhythm in the game. Um so I don't you know,
I don't feel like Baker did himself any favors in
terms of I'm here now and I'm you know, I'm
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I'm at least a long short term solution, you know,
I'm the long term for the short term solution. Like
I don't think he deproved that he looks better than
he did in Carolina. I'll say that more energy. I
think he he looked like he had more energy, like
he was more vibrant, like he was. It wasn't for
a lack of trying. I'll say that. It didn't look
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like he wasn't trying. He was rolling out, he was
moving around, he was trying to elude, you know, the defenders.
He was, he was trying to make things happen. It
just was underwhelming. Now, Aaron Rodgers afterwards was very optimistic
about He's very hopeful and and this looks a little
positivity from Aaron Rodgers. Apparently looking at Toad in the
season means that he's got taken me to bright side.
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One of my closest friends is a Green Bay Packers fan,
and he said, the dude has been doing this Ahuaska
for like three years. And I was like, no, he hasn't.
He was like, yes, he has. He's been doing it
like he's won two MVP awards being on doing I
don't think that's true. Yeah, I didn't think it was true,
but apparently you got it. Leave. Yeah, he had done
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it before his MVP seasons. Yes, And then this was
like the third or second or third year. I mean
we were like we were up in my house like
literally like going back and forth. I was like, I know,
we would have heard about this basically. Yeah, it was
like three or four years ago he started doing it. Yeah,
and he took the journey and found himself and then
one to two MVP Awards. So you guys have to
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like cut him some slack because he's not doing well.
I was like, man, but take a wrong turn during
this latest trip role. I mean, maybe he went for
a stronger version of what it was that. Maybe he
wanted to take a longer journey. Yeah, you know, to
be his Maybe he needed to pull his pants up,
you know, maybe it up out of there. Maybe he
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needed to put the bottle down. You know. Well he was.
He was talking afterwards about what would need to happen
for them to make it to the postseason. Here was
the Packers quarterback. They're all, you know, good football teams.
Miami's playing for the playoffs, Minnesota's obviously division winners and
coming off a big win. Detroit's from one, um what
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six out of seven, they're playing really well. So it's
it's gonna be three difficult games, but two of them
at home against Stone teams. You know, there'll be January
for those two. We've notoriously been pretty good in those
games over the years. So this one, yeah, this one's
really important because on the road, they obviously have a
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really high powered offense. Um you know, they've been a
little up and down the last few weeks. So maybe
we're catching at a good time. We'll see, but it's
gonna have to be a really good to really good
effort for us to go down there and win. Be nice,
you know, weather change for us. I think when nobody's
gonna be bummed. It will be you know, forty or
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fifty above what it is, at least maybe fifty or
sixty above what it is right now. But we'll we
look forward to get back home. It must be cold
weather and hopefully be seven at night. All right, here's
my question, Well did he say but yeah? Why did
he say but like that? Can hear that? It really emphasized?
That is that is right at the beginning, like he's like, yeah,
these teams are good. But just for a second, I
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was like, did he say that? It's someone else say
but but they're all it was good football teams. Miami's
playing for the playoffs, Minnesota's obviously division winners and coming
off a big win. Detroit's f one, Um, what six
out of seven? They're playing really well, so it's it's
gonna be three difficult games. But yeah, alright, he never
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said that two years ago, so I don't buy this
whole He was licking toads two years ago. This that
that is a clearly a byproduct of whatever he was
smoking or licking during the off season. Clearly by product.
That's what actually people licked toads, very graphic. That's what
he's doing. Is he looking to I don't know, that's
what I'm assuming. Wow, yeah, yeah, come on, Lee, you're
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our Ayahuashka insider. Let's go. Come on. I think it's
a smoking thing. Okay, well, oh you're smoking. I'll look
into it. Hold on, you're smoking toads? How does that work?
By the way, this might be the most reckless half
hour we've ever done. They got them baked pens these days.
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Did they put the did they put the toad juice
in there? And you smoke? Anybody got a conspiracy theory?
They're not comfortable what they wanted to share now while
we're here at it. But but um so here's my
question though, so not a tea, it's a t I
think what they make it into a t and you
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drink the tea is at any point in time are
you looking at toad? That's all I want to looked
that up. I'm telling you that people some people do that,
the licktodes. I'm telling you, but Mike Tyson did it.
Mike Tyson did it. Okay, but that has not nothing
to do with Aaron Rogers. You're literally making again that's
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a fair point. That is a fair point. So here's
my question. Though, don't you get works if you touch
a toe? Yeah, so when you get a word on
your tongue, your tongue, if you licked a toad, well,
I heard you get him if you write them, than
you didn't hear that same thing? You heard that little one.
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That was an awful Joe, that was just awful. And
when I said what I said, I got dump like
I'm believable, can get done from bad, but I get
done for a bad joke that would be on the
air unbelievable. Berto, Okay, I got I got hit with Okay,
And I was talking about a toe or better yet,
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a knuckle. I was talking about a knuckle. Dumb that
was us This is my question though, not if, and
I didn't even know what a knuckle meant at that
point in time. By the way, legitimately, like honestly speaking,
that's a slang term that I was unaware of. If
you want to send that link over again with all
the pictures, if you need confirmation. I mean, for the
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first time it made sense, but that now I wouldn't
want to see it. So this is my question though,
because it's very optimistic. He's looking at all the things
that could happen for them to get to the postseason,
not if, not if, but when. Not not if, but
when they get ripped in half by Miami this weekend
on Christmas, then then where do we go because they've
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got no shot in that game? Like this is this
is a cute story at all. I think Miami's gonna
blow them out, and I think Miami shot. I think
Miami is a six point favorite. I think Miami is
gonna get right this game. I'm telling you, I love Miami.
You don't think they are. You could look up what
kind of favorite they are there? Six point favorite, but
there you go some places I don't. Yeah, but they
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got Dallas as a favorite. Oh well, we'll get into that.
And now it's kind of makes a little bit of
sense that a game. That's why I'm not counting them out.
I'm not either, but I'm not counting them out. But
I just I feel like we've we've seen this story
before and this is kind of like that moment right
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where like everyone's counting out Aaron Rodgers. Everyone's kind of
counting out I mean, obviously Tom Brady even too to
some degree. I don't know, man, I just I feel
like this whole thing is gonna turn. Both Britty and
Roger's gonna get in the playoffs, are gonna win a
game or two and there and there comes like the
greatest cause of the awesome. I'm just telling you, I
have this odd feeling at this point in the season
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that they both end up like somehow making it in
and then we're just like, uh, yep, there it is,
there it is. Can you imagine they end up in
an NFC title game in our final four? Is Rogers, Brady,
Josh Allen and Mahomes. I mean, come on, man, like,
let's I would sign up for that right now. I
would tune out really watched the A f C, NFC.
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I'd be like, oh my gosh, but but like, come on,
you old fogy, still figuring it out? Can we hear
the butt one more time? Can? It was so weird.
It was just out of character, you know. I just
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I don't know for you know, good football teams. Miami's
playing for the playoffs, Minnesota's obviously in division winners and
coming off a big win. Detroit's from one on what
six out of seven, they're playing really well, so it's
it's gonna be three difficult games. But I don't know
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why that's so random. And I can almost picture him
doing it too, because he's so monotoned and kind of
just yeah, and then he just goes but and he
like makes this face an expression, you know, said a lecture.
What's ever to listen? It is? You gotta go ahead,
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I'll be over here, alright, alright, alright, okay, uh, welcome
to Berto Vision. What hey, my god? Alright, uh, odd
quarterbacks center exchange all that, but it's uh. Be sure
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we were talking yesterday about the Cowboys Eagles matchup coming
up on Christmas Eve, and we're trying to figure out, God,
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why why is Why is Dallas favorite? You know, they
were one and a half point favorite, maybe two in
some places, depending on where you look. And it was like, okay, well,
I mean, it seems like they're handing out some money there.
And then it comes out that while the line's gonna
move even more because Jalen Hurts has got a sprained
shoulder dealing with an issue on his throwing shoulder that
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he suffered against the Bears, Uh, they aren't sure whether
or not he's going to be able to go this
weekend for the Philadelphia Eagles. And so now that line
is shot up to six points. The m v P odds,
which is a whole another discussion, have now swung in
favor of Patrick Mahomes. But nonetheless, it looks like Lavars
Dallas Cowboys might catch themselves what is perceived to be
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a little bit of a break and not get Jalen
Hurts this weekend against the Philadelphia Eagles. So congratulations of
our that's your that's your team. You know what what
would be interesting is if they still lost. It's possible,
Like for me, that would be if if you see
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this game take place, Who's who's in for Jalen Hurts
mins Humania baby, and and he's very capable of doing
very He's very capable of doing it. And this is
what you gotta understand is this is I'm not if
I when you say Dallas, I'm not saying this is
a really good team, which, by the way, I talked
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about how I don't trust the offense. The defense led
him down this past weekend, which is interesting. You know,
I mean offense let him down to but the defense
didn't hold up there into the bargain. I just don't.
I'm not a believer. I'm just not a believer of Dallas.
I'm just not. They don't I don't watch that. I've
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never watched them this season and felt like, man, like
this is dominant team, like or they're trending in in
in a dominant direction. I just don't. I don't get
that from them, but I do get that from Philly
and and and Here's what's even funnier, right, is that
Mica said that Jalen was a product of the other
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players and the system. So I guess we're gonna find
out if if that's true or not because Jalen isn't playing.
So maybe Minshew was going to be a product of
the players in the system in Philadelphia. I mean, do
you do you believe that? Though? I always feel like
that's just I mean, I guess I can't think of
many quarterbacks who are great that weren't surrounded by talent
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or didn't have good coach is like it it kind
of is one of the same. Yeah, I don't think
there's any Honestly, I don't think there's any. Like it's
kind of it's it's funny to say it because it's
like if you don't have a good running game, if
you don't have a good offensive line, if you don't
have weapons and you're receiving corps, if you don't have
a competent offensive coordinator, like you're gonna struggle. And then,
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by the way, you can say that defensively, right, absolutely,
like you can you can be you know what, it's
a good edge rush or could cover or whatever. It
is and if if like you can lock your guy
down all day, but if everyone else is given up
big plays or you can't get a rush or can't
stop the run less correct, no one's gonna notice it's correct.
That is correct. If they're aligned incorrectly or you know
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they're they're not filling their gaps correctly. Like you said,
if the pass rush isn't getting there, if you don't
have a defensive coordinator like you know that can get
you there, it's it's it makes a difference. I think.
I think what's really interesting about this game outside of
the fact that look, but Dallas clinched last beginning with
the loss of a playoff berth. But this is more
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for the division, I think, maybe even more importantly, like
to make sure they keep pace for the number one
overall seed, given the importance of that home field throughout
and the only team to get to buy um, because
you've got Minnesota, that's not I wouldn't say nipping on
their heels, but Minnesota is in striking distance. You know,
San Francisco they went out and being striking distance. Um,
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obviously they need help, but they need Philly to kind
of lose out. But you know, you've got some teams
that are kind of close proximity. I just think more
than anything else, like when I was if this impacts
him the rest of the playoffs, you know, he's not
the same quarterback throwing the football or running because he's
if he's hesitant because of the shoulder. And the other
thing is the m v P odds have have switched overnight.
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You're going into this week. Hurts was the favorite with
this news. Mahomes doesn't have now has now jumped him
in some of those books. So just miss th even
just one game. This is such a close m v
P race that could be all it takes to give
either Patrick Mahomes that crown or Josh Out or Joe Burrow,
who are booked at striking distance, and those two square
off in two weeks. So this isn't just like short
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term divisional rivalry. You know on the line that this
is more even more than just the division. It's the
m v P race as well. It's impacted. I would
sit Jalen Hurts this weekend. I would, yeah, well, but
now but there's some speculation that there his status is
still up in the air. But even if you thought okay,
he could gut it out and play, I would still
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just sit him, like you've got a two game lead
over Minnesota and you will have a tie breaker because
you beat him earlier in the season. I think it's
nearly impossible for anybody else to get the one seed
in the NFC at this point. I would just roll
with Minshew, who look at his numbers, man and and look,
a majority of his playing time came with Jacksonville, who
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didn't have a fraction of the roster that he's got.
To Micah Parsons point that he as with Philadelphia like Gardner,
Minshew's played well any time he's gotten an opportunity, like I.
And so when I see the line go to six points,
I will gladly take Gardner Minshew in Philadelphia getting six
points on the road at Dallas and feel totally comfortable
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with it. Now, that's probably bad news for Philadelphia fans
that I said that, but I will gladly take the
six points and Minshew Mania at Dallas this weekend. They're
a better team. They're a better team, and I don't
think uh. I don't want this to be an indictment
on Jalen Hurts, and I don't want this to be
a confirmation of what Micah said. But they're too good
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of a team in every position for them to lose
this game. Based off of losing, Jalen hurts and so resting,
resting for the rest of the regular season, resting. And
I know you want to keep pace, but if your
team is as good as as advertised and what their
record says, you should be able to get And granted,
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a lot of the success they have is when Jalen
pulls the ball down and runs or they had that predetermined.
He reads it the defense and then once it opens up,
he runs the ball. Uh, They're running game is good
enough like and and when you say good enough, that's
a qualifier to say that it's one of the best
in the league. And its hats been one of the
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best in the league. They have ways to to offset
until he gets back. Like I think you make you
make the playoffs, and then you you worry about it.
I think with Jalen you are better off in the playoffs,
of course, but right now, get through the regular season,
let him rest, let him get healthy and and hit
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the playoffs running. The only thing about that is he
might be you know, you might have to rest work
off some of the three games, miss rust. I don't
know how that works for Q B s Q, but
that would be the only thing I'd be concerned about
is is he ready to go at that level going
right into the playoffs? But let O b J say,
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you know you are. You don't even need any regular
season to be I mean, it looks to your point.
I think everyone has has kind of always thrown that
theory around when like teams going to a by or
even take a buy off the playoffs, like it's once
you get out of that rhythm, it feels a little off,
and it it's it is hard, especially when you're playing
really really well, to want to then take time off
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to to get out of that rhythm. You know, that
makes it tough. So it's a big question mark, no
doubt about it. I mean, I think you always are
on the side of saying that the rest should be
more beneficial than hurt ful, but you never know how
a team handles that. I think the other element to
this is if you look at least last week, what
did um what did Sanders have last week? Like Levin
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carries or something like that, they've kind of gotten away
a little bit from from running the football. Maybe this
is just under up there as far as production. Yeah,
but had eleven carries forty two yards last week, the
last week, the week before he had like I believe
something to that effect. But yeah, I think my point
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is just they're gonna need to to run the football
and focus on running the football separate from Jalen Hurts
being a part of that. And this is this is
going to force that issue because I mean, Minshoe is athletic,
Don't get me wrong. He can run a little bit,
but he's not Jalen Hurts. And so I think this
actually may help them in the long run too, if
it is Minshoe for a series of of games, just
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making them focus on Miles Sanders and the rushing attack
and saying we need to be able to do this
when we get into playoffs, especially there's inclement weather, and
be able to do this effectively without Jalen. So we're
not putting Jalen in harm's way because he did hurt
his shoulder on a run play. And so I I
look at it that way, like maybe this could be
a blessing in disguise to some degree that a that
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the damage is not that impactful where he's gonna have
to sit out or miss a ton of time. I mean,
it sounded like the X rays were negative. The m
r I sid it's not serious for the most recent report,
but it is. It is an area where I think
they could maybe look to focus more on just saying,
let's just run the football. You know, we've got one
of the best offensive lines. Let's be physical. Let's prepare
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ourselves for when Jalen Hurts comes back. You know, we
can run a traditional run game if we have to.
We don't have to base things on him being a
part of that rushing attact. And there's also been a
lot of talk we've talked about it that Philadelphia was
struggling against the run earlier in the season before they
made the moves with Sue and Joseph and all that. Dallas,
Dallas saying all that great against the run either. I mean,
they're there their bottom ten in the league too, So
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like you just you look at that, you go, there's
seems to be some opportunities there. Also on the m
v P discussion, like so, if Jalen Hurts misses one
game because of the injury, should that just eliminate him
as the odds would say from the m v P conversation,
because I totally disagree with that. What if it's the
last game of the season and they rest him, is
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he going to be punished and loose lose? Would you
lose ground on the m v P race. Wanted to
be that competitive for the m v P, Like, if
you miss a game, that could be the difference in
you getting I feel like that's kind of a cop
out there, trying to look for anything to make their
decision easier. And and so they're going to use this
injury as to try and to hurt Jalen Hurts, no
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pun intended and say, well, you know he's not you know,
Jalen Hurts is going to be eliminated and disqualify because
he didn't play every every game of the season. Okay,
what if it's not disqualified saying that one? No, But
I just I feel like that voters do that sometimes
they'll they'll use an injury. Okay. Is it is it
wrong for or is it right to crown somebody at
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the winner of a long distance you know, marathon or
cross country run because somebody hurt their ankle along the
way and they were a hit the whole entire time,
but I just couldn't finish the race. But the race, okay,
So say Jalen Hurts misses this game, and he plays
every other game in the regular season, and then he
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puts himself back in the time. But we get to
the final week of the season in Kansas City, has
got nothing to play for, and so they rest Patrick Mahomes.
Should he be punished. He's not punished, but it will
be factored in. It will be if you're looking at
a statistical argument, there's no doubt people will talk about
that in factor that end. You know, hey, this is
what he did during this many games. This is what
Hurts did during this many games. And for what it's worth,
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I mean, this is this is where that whole It's
an age old conversation. Would you rather be the m
v P or would you rather be the Super Bowl? Chat?
But you know, would you rather be an All American?
Or would you rather would you rather win the all?
You know when the big it's easy, easy for me,
m v P super player right there? Super Bowl? Kiss
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my ask. In theory, the people who would say I
take the individual award would say that means I did
everything that I could possibly do for our team to
be better. So which ultimately makes you a team player? Well,
it's about to me though, That's what's the one again.
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It's it's it's big we over little me, right, So
you gotta you gotta think about it from the standpoint
of it comes down to Rydale versus Rydale, right, It
comes down to one on one right when you're a battle.
So in that instance, you know you gotta win your battle.
If I can block this defensive end, if I can
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get around this offensive tackle and win my rep I
give our team a better opportunity to win the game.
So there has to be a little bit of selfish.
You can't spell selfless without self, you know what I mean.
But it's cool when you add the less because even
in being in self, you gotta be less self in
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order for the entire hole will be what they need
to be. So it's just kind of cool how to
name or the word kind of developed by the way.
I'm the Rydell subject. Remember back in the day, when
quarterbacks she's always get their chins split open, seemingly like
they were like they every year there'd be a quarterback
who got his chin. It's so funny that me and
never happen anymore, well, because you can't hit them. Me
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and my kids were talking about football yesterday and they
were like, do you guys get punched on the football field?
Like is they're punching? That goes on? Said? Is there?
I said, so, do you realize I used to every time.
I used to blitz pretty much, and in the interior
of the line I punched. I tried to punch the
offensive linemen like I tried to punch him. I either
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butted him and it's in his chin or I tried
to punch him in his chin. They're like, no, you're lying,
You're lying. I was like, no, I'm not lying, and
I showed them pictures. My hands were taped up like
I had like mits. I used to have to have
soft cast on my hands because my hand I couldn't
close my hands because I was punching dudes when I
was coming off of the ball, like you bring you
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cock your arm back and when the ball is snapped,
you just bring that thing up and you try to
get as low as you can and you try to
punch him in the chin. So yeah, yeah, just like that,
then y'all can't see what he just did. But you
I used to four. I don't even know what you
call it. It wasn't. It wasn't like my fist was
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like uppercut, but it was, but it actually was. But
I was trying to hit them with the top part
of my hand, you know what I mean. Like, So
it wasn't like with my knuckles. It was with the
top part of my hand. So anyway punching goes on
out there, I'll tell you that it gets It gets
nasty out there. I don't even know how we got
to this topic. I don't know. I don't even know
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why we're talking about right there. And if I got
that Riddell in front of me, you were talking about
splitting chins like I split a few twins. I split
a few chins on Onlineman, on God and and and it.
What what would happen is is you shock them. It's like, man,
you shock them. So either now they're expecting you to
punch them and they jump offsides, or you shock them
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and you bull rush them and you actually can get
an interior line and to sit back a little bit
or lean forward more so you don't get that clean
shot on their chin. It's like a mental gang. I
was effing my hands up playing that mental band, but
it wasn't mental game. Nonetheless, create that a little bit
of space for either my my nose, my three technique,
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my zero technique, or my tackle. Like I'm gonna create
a little bit of space for us, you know what
I mean, Create a little bit of space for that
Hall of fame, right, you know I do have that,
and I do I do have that. I much rather
have super Bowl rings or a national championship ring to
me all about me, man, I could dig it. And
with those individual accomplishments. You know, there's those guys greet
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each other differently though, man, Like when you won the
championship together, Like I'm always jealous when I go to
Super Bowl and stuff, and you'd be like, you'll see it, dude.
You'd be like, what's up. You see your teammates, be like, Hey,
what's up. It's good to see you. And then you
see dudes that one super Bowl and it's like yo, yo, yeah, yeah,
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and they're they're greet their their energy and they're greeting
is way different. They're hug is different, their embraces different.
I'll be looking at my teammates when I watched Super Bowl, dudes,
hug I'll be like, why can't we hug like that?
Why did you Why you ain't make more catches? Some
bits score more touchdown? It's uh, thank you. Be sure
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(31:11):
to figure out what the hell happened at the end
of that Patriots Raiders game. It's still it's still going on,
still trying to figure out what exactly was the the
water bottles that were Yeah, can can anyone come up
with like a possible explanation for what was said. Do
(31:31):
you want to hear from Belichick's X explanation excuse me,
explanation from so this was yesterday he was on the
Greg Hill Show in Boston, and you tell me because
this might sell you on the plan in New England
for that final play, here was coach Belichick. Now, I
said it was too far. I just it's too far
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throw that play. That situation, obviously is the play didn't
turn out anywhere close to the way we wanted to.
So I'll just leave it at the I mean, there
it is. I mean, I think they gives us our answer.
It just there's no more than it needs to be said.
We've we've gotten everything we need to know. I just
didn't turn out the way they wanted to turn out. Well,
that's clear, okay, obviously clearly though he's he's almost admitting
(32:18):
to the fact that and I think you probably lose
the locker room. And maybe I'm wrong in that assumption, LaVar,
but in my mind, like these guys fell on the
sword for you. I mean, you clearly told ROJ Stevenson
Jacoby Myers to try to make something if you get
far enough downfield that had to have been the conversation,
because it's not like Stevenson fumbled. He looked to pitch it,
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and it's not like Myers like who got corn and
had nowhere to go but backwards at that point was thinking, Okay,
get out of bounds, let's go to overtime. He was
looking to try to make more of that play. They
had to have been told that that. That's I don't
care what he said post game. He's covering up for
his coaching staff. He's covering up for his team, and
you know, kudos to him for doing that. But I
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just hope they showed him the same loyalty, you know,
if and if in whatever comes to a contract negotiation
or an extension. I just know anytime a player says
in a press conference you have to ask coach that
about that. They're telling you that I'm not I'm not
comfortable giving you an answer like that's just stopped right there.
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You don't have to read too deep, too far into it.
There's not no military secret, right Like, he's basically telling
you whatever it is that we did, we did it
because our coach told us to do it, So go
ask the coach about it. Is. Basically what the interpretation
that that would be to me, right, I've never said
I've never been in an interview where if I had
(33:46):
a question that was an answerable question, I said, go
ask coach about it. I'm gonna answer the question. But
if it's a question that I don't necessarily know if
I should answer or if I should if I answer it.
What the ramifications of answering it is you always directed,
They always say questions that you're not supposed to answer.
(34:09):
You always directed to the media people like like the
representatives of the team, or to the coach. That's it,
like done, next question, Like I asked the coach about that.
That's not that's above my pay grade, as as the
coach about that. That means you're not answering a question
that they need to answer, which says that, I mean,
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it's not hard. No, Now, I will say this. The
running back pitching, it looked like that was desperation, but
the receiver looked like that was deliberate. To me, that
was my takeaway from But my only thing is, why
do you pitch it at all and you're tied and
you want to go into overtime? Why pitching at all?
Of us? You're told to pitch it. Yeah, I don't
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disagree with that. I don't know that's what That's what Like,
I was like, all right, this is by design to something.
They were definitely close enough where if it was executed properly,
they could have they could have got gotten it. But
here's my thing. The receiver tries to throw the ball
back to the quarterback. I would assume that the quarterback
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is going to try to throw that ball downfield if
he's successfully able to get a hold of it. I
don't think Mac was gonna run. I can't. So then
there's there's that that's weird, right, Like what is the court?
What's the receiver tried to throw it back to the quarterback?
I mean, Joan us, I know from your notes, like
before the show you talked about having a theory on
all this and what exactly is That's the thing. I
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think Belichick just outsmarted himself. And I think he's done
this a couple of times throughout the course of his career.
And we were talking yesterday, and remember the game against
the Jets there was like a regular season game was
a few years ago. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick was the
quarterback for the Jets. I think Todd Bowles was the coach.
They went to overtime and Belichick won the toss and deferred.
(35:55):
You're like what And it was almost like he wanted
to uh beat the Jets in a unique way, like
they're they're the Jets. I'm gonna go ahead and defer,
get the ball back and then we're gonna win. And
I think the Jets went down and scored on their
first drive, and it was like what happened here? And
then there was a game against Indianapolis, a regular season
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game where there was an odd decision to go for
it on like fourth and two or something like that.
This was a few years back when Peyton Manning was
still with the Colts and Tom Brady was there. I
just wonder if Belichick got in this spot and got
too cute and just outsmarted himself and said, you know,
it's like like when he would when he refused to
(36:35):
put Malcolm Butler in the game in that Super Bowl.
It was like, no, no, no, We're just gonna sit
Malcolm Butler. And we still don't know what the hell
happened before the game, but it's like they couldn't stop
Philly all game. Long they had no answers for him,
but for some reason, he felt like in that situation,
Malcolm Butler wouldn't have helped. Never mind the fact that
the guy has already played in the Super Bowl and
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had one of the biggest plays in the history of
the Super Bowl which helped win them a Super all.
It just feels like Belichick kind of gets too cute
sometimes and I wonder if that's what this was and
your as this point, the players are having to sit
up there and wear it, and then you know, not
to mention Mac Jones not being able to tackle Chandler
Jones in that situation also not I mean, he got
the hell stiffed out of him. Brady would have made
(37:18):
that tackle. That was one of the illest stiff arms
that people don't really talk about it. I mean it
was one of the most like the grading stiff arm,
Like that was just total disrespect and disregard for that man,
just on national television. YEA, take that because if somebody
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would have gone on the ground, so if Stevenson would
have gone rogue or Jacoby Myers would have gone rogue,
I felt like Belichick wasn't necessarily piste off after the game.
He just seems really disappointed and really defeated, And I
think that's because he knows it's on him if one
of those players did that. Remember when Brady and the
deflate gate stuff came up and he was so frustrated
(38:01):
with the whole situation that he said, just go ask Tom.
You got asked Tom. I didn't get that vibe from
Belichick after the game, And the more that he talks
about it, the more he just seems like that was
on me. And I wonder if he said so much
or has said as much to those players, one player
on that team that would actually feel like they have
enough tenure or enough whatever it may be, to not
(38:26):
do what Bill Belichick wants. One player Matthew Slater, and
that's it. No, And Matthew Matthew Slater a team player.
He is such a team player. He would never there's
identical twins, and then there's the according twins are like
(38:51):
I just there's t Keen Rende Barber. I can tell
the difference, that's not hard. But the mccordy Corty twins, like,
did they play a trick on Belichick one time? Doing that?
And probably I think they did. And also if they
played on different sides of the ball, for sure. Also,
(39:13):
do you get the sense that there's some sort of
tension between mac Jones and Bill Belichick. I'm starting to
get that hair frustration, like you're not Tom and you're
not the coach that coach Tom. Like they're looking at
each other like like, got you like the Spider Man picture.
Everybody's pointing at another Spider Man, Like, hold on, you
coach Tom Brady? Why why we're not getting the same results? Wait?
(39:36):
Hold on, I coached Tom Brady. Why aren't you getting
me the same results? And it's it's also like Brady
came in as you know, sixth round draft pick, he
you know, was and didn't have the you know, the
measurables and all the other things that came along with it.
So there was a clear pecking order established. Mac Jones
the first round pick and won a national title. So
I just wonder if mac Jones comes up a little
(39:57):
bit more of an ego or under standing of his
accomplishments and maybe doesn't play for a coach that is
familiar with Belichick and coaches the same type of way
as Belichicks are you looking at like, look, I played
for coach Saban. Holler at me, like, don't act like
I ain't never had greatness around me. I've been around greatness.
I've I paid my dues. I won for that that team, Like,
(40:21):
don't be disrespectful. Don't disrespect me. I played for Saban.
You know his name, Say his name, coach, coach Bill,
say his name like I come from something. Don't don't
be playing. That's Belichick's good friend. Though, Well there you go. Yeah,
well they better have him mediate before it gets to
(40:46):
it does feel like there's something going on with those guys,
and mac Jones is not. He's not gonna sit there
and just keep his mouth because well there wasn't their
stories Brady where even in practice when he wasn't playing,
when mac Jones would be slicing up the defense, he
would let him know, like he would talk to him
like I remember hearing stuff about that, even back when
he was just you know, on scout team that he
(41:06):
was really mouthing and would say things. But he yeh
talked a little trash, I mean, which, look, it fires
up the defense. It kind of fires up a lot
of people, but rightfully so too. It helps him continue
to keep his confidence in himself and his abilities when
he's not playing. So that's not overly surprising. I just
that's one of those plays and those endings that sticks
(41:29):
with you for the rest of your life, like you
will never forget that when like there's a rarity that happens.
I've always said, like I remember losing on a hail
mary where we had a past interference called and got
they gave Detroit and untimed down and then Stafford came
back after hurting his shoulder on that play a touchdown
(41:50):
pass and then kicked the p a t to win it.
And I remember sitting there thinking to myself, like I
never trusted the ending of a game ever again the
rest of my life. Then if I was playing on
the bench watching it now, like I never trust an
ending of the game because of how that game ended.
It was so crazy to see, Like, of all the
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hail mary's that have been thrown in the history of football,
how many do you actually see a past interference call?
When you could call a past interference every single time,
Like every single time you could make a p I
call with the way everyone's going up for the football
and the way everyone fights for it. Yet we were
the team that got called for it. I just I'm
(42:31):
telling you, like, that's a loss for the Patriots that
I'll stick in the back of their minds forever because
you'll probably never see another loss like that again. So
you were in that game the was it the Matt
Stafford where he did them? Was he trying to do
a quarterback sneak and that's how he got hurt with
his ribbon try or something like that. It was actually
on the final I mean, if you want me to
(42:52):
tell Brandon Pettigrew one year, but I think it was
Brandon Pettigrew. If I had my memory, Sears definitely wasn't.
So how how it happened was he was literally throwing
hail Mary and he got crushed on that play. Well,
we got called for defensive pass interference, so we got
the ball with a two or whatever for an untimed down,
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and he initially was going to go off and not
come in the game. I think they may have had
to call a time out, and then he ended up
coming back in to run the play and throw a
touchdown pass probably the pedigrew, and then they kicked the
p t to win it. God, you had a great game.
To three four yards, four touchdowns, no interceptions. How about that.
It was a fun game. It was back and forth,
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are running back dropped. One could have been garage, a
wheel route. I'll never forget that. And that was the
best ball I throw the entire game, touchdowns and garbage down.
Do you think that was a garbage that was Actually
there's three touchdowns like in the first quarter. Yeah, because
I and I can. I think, I just I'm trying
(43:57):
to think back to what those touched now, and I
think Mohammed man a quiet you're looking at your looking
definitely not chance he stuck. He had another one. I
think Josh crom I think John said he's definitely not.
You completely turned the corner with I'm trying to think
the fourth one was it too? Was it to Michael Gaines?
(44:18):
I think the fourth one was like it's like a
two or three yard pass from to Michael Gaines. Yeah,
I think that's what. Yeah, let me now, let me
look it up and see if I got this correct.
Hold on a second, I don't know why LaVar plays
along with your Shenanigans. I really don't. Hold on, don't
throw me off here. I gotta take this in. Yeah,
that's correct. I got all this entire point of the conversation,
(44:38):
which was like, LaVar, did you lose a game that
You're like, Yep, nope, I'll never forget that, and I'll
always right, uh, but I'll told you about the Michigan game.
I just I'll just never forget that. It wasn'totas. That's
the most painful game I've ever lost. That's what I'm saying.
When a hail Mary, when you lose on a hail Mary,
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it's like, I don't even know how to describe it.
It was fourth in like thirty one, it was fourth
in something dumb, stupid, crazy far and Cochrane just throws
the ball up and instead of us either like I don't,
I don't want to relive it. That's what I'm saying.
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It is the most depressing because you will never remember
like that was probably my best statistical or one of
my best statistical performances, but no one remembers it. When
you lose like you only they will only remember that
a great game when you win, and then you when
you lose like that, it is the worst thing. I'm
pretty sure we all got hammered on the plane on
the in fact I should say pretty. I'm positive like
(45:45):
there was a lot of drinking going on Detroit to Cleveland.
I don't know. It felt like forever bust for all
I oh, I know, and we honestly could have busted
for all I know, but it felt like for her.
I promise I had a good night after that game.
After I got through the depression of losing, I rallied
(46:09):
a little bit. Definitely, those hail Mary losses hit different
Mary losses. Man. I think I had some banana red
that night. I think some way, somehow. Yeah, Um, you'll
know about what's banana read come on, bertso banana red
and uh, because this is liquor, Berna know about this.
(46:35):
I mean, Lee would know about that more than anyone else.
It's cheap liquor Berna. Tell us about that banana banana rid.
Hold on, I'm gonna tell you the brand of it.
Somebody out there like, how do you not remember banana rum? No,
it's not rum? Well, Lee? Where mad dog? Yea man?
And there you go mad dog? You know it's not
(46:55):
mad dog. That's like a misnomer. It's just m D.
People just started calling it mad dogana. I agree, we
did call it mad dog though, and you got the
banana red, the banana rid that one right there, that
man horrible computer screen? Now, is that what you're doing?
Told it. I don't have a problem admitting that. He
(47:20):
let me pull it up on my cell phone. Here
we go, pull up. Don't pull yourself phone up. That's good.
Don't even sound like jonas is. I can't even do it. Yeah,
but the funny thing was, I said on my cell phone,
let me pull it up on myself. I can't remember
a fifty nine yeard touchdown past him, Mohammed Massaqua back
(47:43):
at oh nine. I just remember his balls broken. Apparently,
I don't understand it, I said Mohammed Massaqui. I don't
know why we're still talking about that. I just know
I'm still wondering how LEEVE wasn't able to chime in
on that. I feel like he visits liquor store. How
do you not know? But I was the one who
told you, yeah you did. What do you say it
(48:04):
on the air something? Now he did say it in
my air. I thought it went over the are. Yeah,
yeah you did. Butnana rid I was faded too. I
think I had some alas that night too, and some
Tangeray in three different occasions, and I think that was
the first time I ever smoked a black amount. I
was depressed because of the hill. I was depressed. It'll
(48:27):
take you to New Lowest Man. People are like, here
have this. I was like, all right, drank a little
bit of that, and then I think one my own
boys he fell out in some bushes. We literally had
to pull him out of some bushes that night, like
it was a night. It was a night. I mean,
it was a night that what happened. It was the
waffle house the next morning though that's not in college.
(48:52):
That's pros. You you drowned your sorrows with that, and
you just asked make sure that that's definitely pros. That's
not college. And by the way, that's not every team.
It wasn't until I got to my second stop where
I started seeing that be more prevalent. Okay, waffle house,
(49:13):
next day, hotel, And there's different different environments. You know.
The home fries at and State College are just so good.
They're just different smothered, covered and peppered. They're not smothered,
but they shouldn't eat it. They definitely get coffee from
(49:35):
their onions, something about the way they pepper onions, then
the oil, maybe the oil that they used to cook.
Brady and I got to go coffees in Kentucky and
one of the guys working there looked like he had
fallen asleep on a table saw. I mean, he just
(49:55):
half man. I mean, I'm not here to just spare
someone one that we were the best dressed people that
maybe walked into waffle House the history of waffle House.
They asked if we were going to prom Yeah. I
was like, yep, I mean, but but mind you, obviously
we probably left it what we were there at like
(50:16):
five am, yeah, and that we're going to probably I
was going at six am. Didn't know. Probably the guy
winked at me that they said, like okay. I was like,
all right, well, I'm sure what's going on here? Oh
my gosh, that's correct. I mean, you guys finally well dressed.
(50:42):
You know, you guys. I understand that we almost missed
the beginning of the show because of a parking situation
and I had to drop off Jonas to coordinate how
to get over to our set, and at that point
I just said take Jonas. He's more for that. I am,
I'll figure out what to park, mind you, I parked
(51:03):
ten feet from where I dropped, showing us soft and
actually it was a very dramatic moment, and Jonas couldn't
figure out the directions and the guy telling us the directions,
So I would have been nobody knew where we were
supposed to go there at the at the race track. Yes, people,
I would have been alone on the open and not
show well potentially, But again I was just like, he's
(51:28):
way more important than I am. Jonas agree. He hopped
right out and it was like, yeah, that's what I
was hoping. But I told him the best was I
legally parked for the entirety of our show. Yeah, I
was all right, I'd probably led you. No one said
anything as long as you act like you know what
you're doing there, Like they really wouldn't say anything. I
could have literally put on a jockey outfit and dwarfed
(51:50):
every other jockey out there and got in a horse.
They would have let me ride myself. Look at that
man going down the track, like, what the hell's happening there?
That's the big is god? Start? Do you ever seen
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on radio. All right, so the Monday night football game,
what's the takeaway? UM, I mean, you kind of felt
like you were gonna see the Rams struggle offensively. I mean,
(00:25):
that's how I felt going into it. You know, I
just I think that the most like the Baker arrival
and come back when all of the drama and theatrics
that went with that, that was great. You know, the
offensive line got away with some hold that allowed them
to stay in that game and even have a chance
at the end. And last night was more of an
(00:45):
example of just I think a better football team that
still has playoff hopes and one that really should be
looking into next year to rebuild. It's just, you know,
they traded away a lot of draft picks. It's not
like the Rams have a ton of picks to rebuild.
But I do think they're there is something there the
rest of the season to take a good hard look
at Baker Mayfield and see maybe what he is as
(01:06):
a future in l A. But for the Packers, I
think it's still the focus is on the here and
now and trying to find a way to get back
in the playoffs. I will say this guy's the last
time they won a Super Bowl, right. I think that
season they had to win their last two games to
get in as a wild card, ended up, you know,
moving on to win a super Bowl. So this would
be a much more difficult task. They have to win
their next three I believe as well, and still need help.
(01:28):
But you know it's been done before. They they've done
it before. I think I gotta say I was underwhelmed
by both teams. It's like one of those games you
watched and you know, A. J. Dillon had a day,
you know, Christian Uh, what's what's his last Christians Watson, Watson,
(01:52):
Randy Wattson, Yeah, he had he had a good show.
And I mean he's starting to really apply himself. Is
it really looks like, uh, he's really um starting to
figure it out. So I mean I see some something
Aaron Jones obviously is they I mean they used they
used their their guys nicely. Lazart was involved when guys
(02:13):
were involved last night with you know, with with the
offense with Green Bay and and but I was still
kind of underwhelmed, Like I didn't feel like it's like, okay,
they are that type of team that can get hot
and and make a run. It just looked like it
was like this was my takeaway. It was, uh, an
average team beating up on a team that's less you know,
(02:38):
or more average than they are. Like that's what it
looked like. Bang up, yeah, and banged up and banged
up to to that point. Um, you know, the Rams
are banged up and and and there's some some cases
on with with you know, Green Bay as well. But
I just I just was underwhelmed, Like I watched the
way I was looking to see if Baker could really
(02:58):
have a good showing on on a prime time platform.
I mean, he was under pressure. You know, give give
Green Bay credit for that. He was under pressure. He
wasn't really comfortable. It didn't look like he found the
rhythm in the game. Um so I don't you know,
I don't feel like Baker did himself any favors in
terms of I'm here now and I'm you know, I'm
(03:21):
I'm at least a long short term solution, you know,
I'm the long term for the short term solution. Like
I don't think he deproved that he looks better than
he did in Carolina. I'll say that more energy. I
think he he looked like he had more energy, like
he was more vibrant, like he was. It wasn't for
a lack of trying. I'll say that. It didn't look
(03:41):
like he wasn't trying. He was rolling out, he was
moving around, he was trying to elude, you know, the defenders.
He was, he was trying to make things happen. It
just was underwhelming. Now, Aaron Rodgers afterwards was very optimistic
about He's very hopeful and and this looks a little
positivity from Aaron Rodgers. Apparently looking at Toad in the
season means that he's got taken me to bright side.
(04:04):
One of my closest friends is a Green Bay Packers fan,
and he said, the dude has been doing this Ahuaska
for like three years. And I was like, no, he hasn't.
He was like, yes, he has. He's been doing it
like he's won two MVP awards being on doing I
don't think that's true. Yeah, I didn't think it was true,
but apparently you got it. Leave. Yeah, he had done
(04:26):
it before his MVP seasons. Yes, And then this was
like the third or second or third year. I mean
we were like we were up in my house like
literally like going back and forth. I was like, I know,
we would have heard about this basically. Yeah, it was
like three or four years ago he started doing it. Yeah,
and he took the journey and found himself and then
one to two MVP Awards. So you guys have to
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like cut him some slack because he's not doing well.
I was like, man, but take a wrong turn during
this latest trip role. I mean, maybe he went for
a stronger version of what it was that. Maybe he
wanted to take a longer journey. Yeah, you know, to
be his Maybe he needed to pull his pants up,
you know, maybe it up out of there. Maybe he
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needed to put the bottle down. You know. Well he was.
He was talking afterwards about what would need to happen
for them to make it to the postseason. Here was
the Packers quarterback. They're all, you know, good football teams.
Miami's playing for the playoffs, Minnesota's obviously division winners and
coming off a big win. Detroit's from one, um what
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six out of seven, they're playing really well. So it's
it's gonna be three difficult games, but two of them
at home against Stone teams. You know, there'll be January
for those two. We've notoriously been pretty good in those
games over the years. So this one, yeah, this one's
really important because on the road, they obviously have a
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really high powered offense. Um you know, they've been a
little up and down the last few weeks. So maybe
we're catching at a good time. We'll see, but it's
gonna have to be a really good to really good
effort for us to go down there and win. Be nice,
you know, weather change for us. I think when nobody's
gonna be bummed. It will be you know, forty or
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fifty above what it is, at least maybe fifty or
sixty above what it is right now. But we'll we
look forward to get back home. It must be cold
weather and hopefully be seven at night. All right, here's
my question, Well did he say but yeah? Why did
he say but like that? Can hear that? It really emphasized?
That is that is right at the beginning, like he's like, yeah,
these teams are good. But just for a second, I
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was like, did he say that? It's someone else say
but but they're all it was good football teams. Miami's
playing for the playoffs, Minnesota's obviously division winners and coming
off a big win. Detroit's f one, Um, what six
out of seven? They're playing really well, so it's it's
gonna be three difficult games. But yeah, alright, he never
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said that two years ago, so I don't buy this
whole He was licking toads two years ago. This that
that is a clearly a byproduct of whatever he was
smoking or licking during the off season. Clearly by product.
That's what actually people licked toads, very graphic. That's what
he's doing. Is he looking to I don't know, that's
what I'm assuming. Wow, yeah, yeah, come on, Lee, you're
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our Ayahuashka insider. Let's go. Come on. I think it's
a smoking thing. Okay, well, oh you're smoking. I'll look
into it. Hold on, you're smoking toads? How does that work?
By the way, this might be the most reckless half
hour we've ever done. They got them baked pens these days.
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Did they put the did they put the toad juice
in there? And you smoke? Anybody got a conspiracy theory?
They're not comfortable what they wanted to share now while
we're here at it. But but um so here's my
question though, so not a tea, it's a t I
think what they make it into a t and you
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drink the tea is at any point in time are
you looking at toad? That's all I want to looked
that up. I'm telling you that people some people do that,
the licktodes. I'm telling you, but Mike Tyson did it.
Mike Tyson did it. Okay, but that has not nothing
to do with Aaron Rogers. You're literally making again that's
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a fair point. That is a fair point. So here's
my question. Though, don't you get works if you touch
a toe? Yeah, so when you get a word on
your tongue, your tongue, if you licked a toad, well,
I heard you get him if you write them, than
you didn't hear that same thing? You heard that little one.
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That was an awful Joe, that was just awful. And
when I said what I said, I got dump like
I'm believable, can get done from bad, but I get
done for a bad joke that would be on the
air unbelievable. Berto, Okay, I got I got hit with Okay,
And I was talking about a toe or better yet,
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a knuckle. I was talking about a knuckle. Dumb that
was us This is my question though, not if, and
I didn't even know what a knuckle meant at that
point in time. By the way, legitimately, like honestly speaking,
that's a slang term that I was unaware of. If
you want to send that link over again with all
the pictures, if you need confirmation. I mean, for the
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first time it made sense, but that now I wouldn't
want to see it. So this is my question though,
because it's very optimistic. He's looking at all the things
that could happen for them to get to the postseason,
not if, not if, but when. Not not if, but
when they get ripped in half by Miami this weekend
on Christmas, then then where do we go because they've
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got no shot in that game? Like this is this
is a cute story at all. I think Miami's gonna
blow them out, and I think Miami shot. I think
Miami is a six point favorite. I think Miami is
gonna get right this game. I'm telling you, I love Miami.
You don't think they are. You could look up what
kind of favorite they are there? Six point favorite, but
there you go some places I don't. Yeah, but they
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got Dallas as a favorite. Oh well, we'll get into that.
And now it's kind of makes a little bit of
sense that a game. That's why I'm not counting them out.
I'm not either, but I'm not counting them out. But
I just I feel like we've we've seen this story
before and this is kind of like that moment right
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where like everyone's counting out Aaron Rodgers. Everyone's kind of
counting out I mean, obviously Tom Brady even too to
some degree. I don't know, man, I just I feel
like this whole thing is gonna turn. Both Britty and
Roger's gonna get in the playoffs, are gonna win a
game or two and there and there comes like the
greatest cause of the awesome. I'm just telling you, I
have this odd feeling at this point in the season
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that they both end up like somehow making it in
and then we're just like, uh, yep, there it is,
there it is. Can you imagine they end up in
an NFC title game in our final four? Is Rogers, Brady,
Josh Allen and Mahomes. I mean, come on, man, like,
let's I would sign up for that right now. I
would tune out really watched the A f C, NFC.
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I'd be like, oh my gosh, but but like, come on,
you old fogy, still figuring it out? Can we hear
the butt one more time? Can? It was so weird.
It was just out of character, you know. I just
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I don't know for you know, good football teams. Miami's
playing for the playoffs, Minnesota's obviously in division winners and
coming off a big win. Detroit's from one on what
six out of seven, they're playing really well, so it's
it's gonna be three difficult games. But I don't know
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why that's so random. And I can almost picture him
doing it too, because he's so monotoned and kind of
just yeah, and then he just goes but and he
like makes this face an expression, you know, said a lecture.
What's ever to listen? It is? You gotta go ahead,
(12:39):
I'll be over here, alright, alright, alright, okay, uh, welcome
to Berto Vision. What hey, my god? Alright, uh, odd
quarterbacks center exchange all that, but it's uh. Be sure
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to catch live editions of Two Pros and a Cup
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Fox Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio app. So
we were talking yesterday about the Cowboys Eagles matchup coming
up on Christmas Eve, and we're trying to figure out, God,
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why why is Why is Dallas favorite? You know, they
were one and a half point favorite, maybe two in
some places, depending on where you look. And it was like, okay, well,
I mean, it seems like they're handing out some money there.
And then it comes out that while the line's gonna
move even more because Jalen Hurts has got a sprained
shoulder dealing with an issue on his throwing shoulder that
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he suffered against the Bears, Uh, they aren't sure whether
or not he's going to be able to go this
weekend for the Philadelphia Eagles. And so now that line
is shot up to six points. The m v P odds,
which is a whole another discussion, have now swung in
favor of Patrick Mahomes. But nonetheless, it looks like Lavars
Dallas Cowboys might catch themselves what is perceived to be
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a little bit of a break and not get Jalen
Hurts this weekend against the Philadelphia Eagles. So congratulations of
our that's your that's your team. You know what what
would be interesting is if they still lost. It's possible,
Like for me, that would be if if you see
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this game take place, Who's who's in for Jalen Hurts
mins Humania baby, and and he's very capable of doing
very He's very capable of doing it. And this is
what you gotta understand is this is I'm not if
I when you say Dallas, I'm not saying this is
a really good team, which, by the way, I talked
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about how I don't trust the offense. The defense led
him down this past weekend, which is interesting. You know,
I mean offense let him down to but the defense
didn't hold up there into the bargain. I just don't.
I'm not a believer. I'm just not a believer of Dallas.
I'm just not. They don't I don't watch that. I've
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never watched them this season and felt like, man, like
this is dominant team, like or they're trending in in
in a dominant direction. I just don't. I don't get
that from them, but I do get that from Philly
and and and Here's what's even funnier, right, is that
Mica said that Jalen was a product of the other
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players and the system. So I guess we're gonna find
out if if that's true or not because Jalen isn't playing.
So maybe Minshew was going to be a product of
the players in the system in Philadelphia. I mean, do
you do you believe that? Though? I always feel like
that's just I mean, I guess I can't think of
many quarterbacks who are great that weren't surrounded by talent
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or didn't have good coach is like it it kind
of is one of the same. Yeah, I don't think
there's any Honestly, I don't think there's any. Like it's
kind of it's it's funny to say it because it's
like if you don't have a good running game, if
you don't have a good offensive line, if you don't
have weapons and you're receiving corps, if you don't have
a competent offensive coordinator, like you're gonna struggle. And then,
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by the way, you can say that defensively, right, absolutely,
like you can you can be you know what, it's
a good edge rush or could cover or whatever. It
is and if if like you can lock your guy
down all day, but if everyone else is given up
big plays or you can't get a rush or can't
stop the run less correct, no one's gonna notice it's correct.
That is correct. If they're aligned incorrectly or you know
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they're they're not filling their gaps correctly. Like you said,
if the pass rush isn't getting there, if you don't
have a defensive coordinator like you know that can get
you there, it's it's it makes a difference. I think.
I think what's really interesting about this game outside of
the fact that look, but Dallas clinched last beginning with
the loss of a playoff berth. But this is more
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for the division, I think, maybe even more importantly, like
to make sure they keep pace for the number one
overall seed, given the importance of that home field throughout
and the only team to get to buy um, because
you've got Minnesota, that's not I wouldn't say nipping on
their heels, but Minnesota is in striking distance. You know,
San Francisco they went out and being striking distance. Um,
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obviously they need help, but they need Philly to kind
of lose out. But you know, you've got some teams
that are kind of close proximity. I just think more
than anything else, like when I was if this impacts
him the rest of the playoffs, you know, he's not
the same quarterback throwing the football or running because he's
if he's hesitant because of the shoulder. And the other
thing is the m v P odds have have switched overnight.
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You're going into this week. Hurts was the favorite with
this news. Mahomes doesn't have now has now jumped him
in some of those books. So just miss th even
just one game. This is such a close m v
P race that could be all it takes to give
either Patrick Mahomes that crown or Josh Out or Joe Burrow,
who are booked at striking distance, and those two square
off in two weeks. So this isn't just like short
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term divisional rivalry. You know on the line that this
is more even more than just the division. It's the
m v P race as well. It's impacted. I would
sit Jalen Hurts this weekend. I would, yeah, well, but
now but there's some speculation that there his status is
still up in the air. But even if you thought okay,
he could gut it out and play, I would still
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just sit him, like you've got a two game lead
over Minnesota and you will have a tie breaker because
you beat him earlier in the season. I think it's
nearly impossible for anybody else to get the one seed
in the NFC at this point. I would just roll
with Minshew, who look at his numbers, man and and look,
a majority of his playing time came with Jacksonville, who
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didn't have a fraction of the roster that he's got.
To Micah Parsons point that he as with Philadelphia like Gardner,
Minshew's played well any time he's gotten an opportunity, like I.
And so when I see the line go to six points,
I will gladly take Gardner Minshew in Philadelphia getting six
points on the road at Dallas and feel totally comfortable
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with it. Now, that's probably bad news for Philadelphia fans
that I said that, but I will gladly take the
six points and Minshew Mania at Dallas this weekend. They're
a better team. They're a better team, and I don't
think uh. I don't want this to be an indictment
on Jalen Hurts, and I don't want this to be
a confirmation of what Micah said. But they're too good
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of a team in every position for them to lose
this game. Based off of losing, Jalen hurts and so resting,
resting for the rest of the regular season, resting. And
I know you want to keep pace, but if your
team is as good as as advertised and what their
record says, you should be able to get And granted,
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a lot of the success they have is when Jalen
pulls the ball down and runs or they had that predetermined.
He reads it the defense and then once it opens up,
he runs the ball. Uh, They're running game is good
enough like and and when you say good enough, that's
a qualifier to say that it's one of the best
in the league. And its hats been one of the
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best in the league. They have ways to to offset
until he gets back. Like I think you make you
make the playoffs, and then you you worry about it.
I think with Jalen you are better off in the playoffs,
of course, but right now, get through the regular season,
let him rest, let him get healthy and and hit
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the playoffs running. The only thing about that is he
might be you know, you might have to rest work
off some of the three games, miss rust. I don't
know how that works for Q B s Q, but
that would be the only thing I'd be concerned about
is is he ready to go at that level going
right into the playoffs? But let O b J say,
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you know you are. You don't even need any regular
season to be I mean, it looks to your point.
I think everyone has has kind of always thrown that
theory around when like teams going to a by or
even take a buy off the playoffs, like it's once
you get out of that rhythm, it feels a little off,
and it it's it is hard, especially when you're playing
really really well, to want to then take time off
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to to get out of that rhythm. You know, that
makes it tough. So it's a big question mark, no
doubt about it. I mean, I think you always are
on the side of saying that the rest should be
more beneficial than hurt ful, but you never know how
a team handles that. I think the other element to
this is if you look at least last week, what
did um what did Sanders have last week? Like Levin
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carries or something like that, they've kind of gotten away
a little bit from from running the football. Maybe this
is just under up there as far as production. Yeah,
but had eleven carries forty two yards last week, the
last week, the week before he had like I believe
something to that effect. But yeah, I think my point
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is just they're gonna need to to run the football
and focus on running the football separate from Jalen Hurts
being a part of that. And this is this is
going to force that issue because I mean, Minshoe is athletic,
Don't get me wrong. He can run a little bit,
but he's not Jalen Hurts. And so I think this
actually may help them in the long run too, if
it is Minshoe for a series of of games, just
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making them focus on Miles Sanders and the rushing attack
and saying we need to be able to do this
when we get into playoffs, especially there's inclement weather, and
be able to do this effectively without Jalen. So we're
not putting Jalen in harm's way because he did hurt
his shoulder on a run play. And so I I
look at it that way, like maybe this could be
a blessing in disguise to some degree that a that
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the damage is not that impactful where he's gonna have
to sit out or miss a ton of time. I mean,
it sounded like the X rays were negative. The m
r I sid it's not serious for the most recent report,
but it is. It is an area where I think
they could maybe look to focus more on just saying,
let's just run the football. You know, we've got one
of the best offensive lines. Let's be physical. Let's prepare
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ourselves for when Jalen Hurts comes back. You know, we
can run a traditional run game if we have to.
We don't have to base things on him being a
part of that rushing attact. And there's also been a
lot of talk we've talked about it that Philadelphia was
struggling against the run earlier in the season before they
made the moves with Sue and Joseph and all that. Dallas,
Dallas saying all that great against the run either. I mean,
they're there their bottom ten in the league too, So
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like you just you look at that, you go, there's
seems to be some opportunities there. Also on the m
v P discussion, like so, if Jalen Hurts misses one
game because of the injury, should that just eliminate him
as the odds would say from the m v P conversation,
because I totally disagree with that. What if it's the
last game of the season and they rest him, is
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he going to be punished and loose lose? Would you
lose ground on the m v P race. Wanted to
be that competitive for the m v P, Like, if
you miss a game, that could be the difference in
you getting I feel like that's kind of a cop
out there, trying to look for anything to make their
decision easier. And and so they're going to use this
injury as to try and to hurt Jalen Hurts, no
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pun intended and say, well, you know he's not you know,
Jalen Hurts is going to be eliminated and disqualify because
he didn't play every every game of the season. Okay,
what if it's not disqualified saying that one? No, But
I just I feel like that voters do that sometimes
they'll they'll use an injury. Okay. Is it is it
wrong for or is it right to crown somebody at
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the winner of a long distance you know, marathon or
cross country run because somebody hurt their ankle along the
way and they were a hit the whole entire time,
but I just couldn't finish the race. But the race, okay,
So say Jalen Hurts misses this game, and he plays
every other game in the regular season, and then he
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puts himself back in the time. But we get to
the final week of the season in Kansas City, has
got nothing to play for, and so they rest Patrick Mahomes.
Should he be punished. He's not punished, but it will
be factored in. It will be if you're looking at
a statistical argument, there's no doubt people will talk about
that in factor that end. You know, hey, this is
what he did during this many games. This is what
Hurts did during this many games. And for what it's worth,
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I mean, this is this is where that whole It's
an age old conversation. Would you rather be the m
v P or would you rather be the Super Bowl? Chat?
But you know, would you rather be an All American?
Or would you rather would you rather win the all?
You know when the big it's easy, easy for me,
m v P super player right there? Super Bowl? Kiss
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my ask. In theory, the people who would say I
take the individual award would say that means I did
everything that I could possibly do for our team to
be better. So which ultimately makes you a team player? Well,
it's about to me though, That's what's the one again.
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It's it's it's big we over little me, right, So
you gotta you gotta think about it from the standpoint
of it comes down to Rydale versus Rydale, right, It
comes down to one on one right when you're a battle.
So in that instance, you know you gotta win your battle.
If I can block this defensive end, if I can
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get around this offensive tackle and win my rep I
give our team a better opportunity to win the game.
So there has to be a little bit of selfish.
You can't spell selfless without self, you know what I mean.
But it's cool when you add the less because even
in being in self, you gotta be less self in
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order for the entire hole will be what they need
to be. So it's just kind of cool how to
name or the word kind of developed by the way.
I'm the Rydell subject. Remember back in the day, when
quarterbacks she's always get their chins split open, seemingly like
they were like they every year there'd be a quarterback
who got his chin. It's so funny that me and
never happen anymore, well, because you can't hit them. Me
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and my kids were talking about football yesterday and they
were like, do you guys get punched on the football field?
Like is they're punching? That goes on? Said? Is there?
I said, so, do you realize I used to every time.
I used to blitz pretty much, and in the interior
of the line I punched. I tried to punch the
offensive linemen like I tried to punch him. I either
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butted him and it's in his chin or I tried
to punch him in his chin. They're like, no, you're lying,
You're lying. I was like, no, I'm not lying, and
I showed them pictures. My hands were taped up like
I had like mits. I used to have to have
soft cast on my hands because my hand I couldn't
close my hands because I was punching dudes when I
was coming off of the ball, like you bring you
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cock your arm back and when the ball is snapped,
you just bring that thing up and you try to
get as low as you can and you try to
punch him in the chin. So yeah, yeah, just like that,
then y'all can't see what he just did. But you
I used to four. I don't even know what you
call it. It wasn't. It wasn't like my fist was
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like uppercut, but it was, but it actually was. But
I was trying to hit them with the top part
of my hand, you know what I mean. Like, So
it wasn't like with my knuckles. It was with the
top part of my hand. So anyway punching goes on
out there, I'll tell you that it gets It gets
nasty out there. I don't even know how we got
to this topic. I don't know. I don't even know
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why we're talking about right there. And if I got
that Riddell in front of me, you were talking about
splitting chins like I split a few twins. I split
a few chins on Onlineman, on God and and and it.
What what would happen is is you shock them. It's like, man,
you shock them. So either now they're expecting you to
punch them and they jump offsides, or you shock them
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and you bull rush them and you actually can get
an interior line and to sit back a little bit
or lean forward more so you don't get that clean
shot on their chin. It's like a mental gang. I
was effing my hands up playing that mental band, but
it wasn't mental game. Nonetheless, create that a little bit
of space for either my my nose, my three technique,
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my zero technique, or my tackle. Like I'm gonna create
a little bit of space for us, you know what
I mean, Create a little bit of space for that
Hall of fame, right, you know I do have that,
and I do I do have that. I much rather
have super Bowl rings or a national championship ring to
me all about me, man, I could dig it. And
with those individual accomplishments. You know, there's those guys greet
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each other differently though, man, Like when you won the
championship together, Like I'm always jealous when I go to
Super Bowl and stuff, and you'd be like, you'll see it, dude.
You'd be like, what's up. You see your teammates, be like, Hey,
what's up. It's good to see you. And then you
see dudes that one super Bowl and it's like yo, yo, yeah, yeah,
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and they're they're greet their their energy and they're greeting
is way different. They're hug is different, their embraces different.
I'll be looking at my teammates when I watched Super Bowl, dudes,
hug I'll be like, why can't we hug like that?
Why did you Why you ain't make more catches? Some
bits score more touchdown? It's uh, thank you. Be sure
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get your podcast. All Right, So people are still trying
(31:11):
to figure out what the hell happened at the end
of that Patriots Raiders game. It's still it's still going on,
still trying to figure out what exactly was the the
water bottles that were Yeah, can can anyone come up
with like a possible explanation for what was said. Do
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you want to hear from Belichick's X explanation excuse me,
explanation from so this was yesterday he was on the
Greg Hill Show in Boston, and you tell me because
this might sell you on the plan in New England
for that final play, here was coach Belichick. Now, I
said it was too far. I just it's too far
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throw that play. That situation, obviously is the play didn't
turn out anywhere close to the way we wanted to.
So I'll just leave it at the I mean, there
it is. I mean, I think they gives us our answer.
It just there's no more than it needs to be said.
We've we've gotten everything we need to know. I just
didn't turn out the way they wanted to turn out. Well,
that's clear, okay, obviously clearly though he's he's almost admitting
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to the fact that and I think you probably lose
the locker room. And maybe I'm wrong in that assumption, LaVar,
but in my mind, like these guys fell on the
sword for you. I mean, you clearly told ROJ Stevenson
Jacoby Myers to try to make something if you get
far enough downfield that had to have been the conversation,
because it's not like Stevenson fumbled. He looked to pitch it,
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and it's not like Myers like who got corn and
had nowhere to go but backwards at that point was thinking, Okay,
get out of bounds, let's go to overtime. He was
looking to try to make more of that play. They
had to have been told that that. That's I don't
care what he said post game. He's covering up for
his coaching staff. He's covering up for his team, and
you know, kudos to him for doing that. But I
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just hope they showed him the same loyalty, you know,
if and if in whatever comes to a contract negotiation
or an extension. I just know anytime a player says
in a press conference you have to ask coach that
about that. They're telling you that I'm not I'm not
comfortable giving you an answer like that's just stopped right there.
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You don't have to read too deep, too far into it.
There's not no military secret, right Like, he's basically telling
you whatever it is that we did, we did it
because our coach told us to do it, So go
ask the coach about it. Is. Basically what the interpretation
that that would be to me, right, I've never said
I've never been in an interview where if I had
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a question that was an answerable question, I said, go
ask coach about it. I'm gonna answer the question. But
if it's a question that I don't necessarily know if
I should answer or if I should if I answer it.
What the ramifications of answering it is you always directed,
They always say questions that you're not supposed to answer.
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You always directed to the media people like like the
representatives of the team, or to the coach. That's it,
like done, next question, Like I asked the coach about that.
That's not that's above my pay grade, as as the
coach about that. That means you're not answering a question
that they need to answer, which says that, I mean,
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it's not hard. No, Now, I will say this. The
running back pitching, it looked like that was desperation, but
the receiver looked like that was deliberate. To me, that
was my takeaway from But my only thing is, why
do you pitch it at all and you're tied and
you want to go into overtime? Why pitching at all?
Of us? You're told to pitch it. Yeah, I don't
(34:50):
disagree with that. I don't know that's what That's what Like,
I was like, all right, this is by design to something.
They were definitely close enough where if it was executed properly,
they could have they could have got gotten it. But
here's my thing. The receiver tries to throw the ball
back to the quarterback. I would assume that the quarterback
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is going to try to throw that ball downfield if
he's successfully able to get a hold of it. I
don't think Mac was gonna run. I can't. So then
there's there's that that's weird, right, Like what is the court?
What's the receiver tried to throw it back to the quarterback?
I mean, Joan us, I know from your notes, like
before the show you talked about having a theory on
all this and what exactly is That's the thing. I
(35:32):
think Belichick just outsmarted himself. And I think he's done
this a couple of times throughout the course of his career.
And we were talking yesterday, and remember the game against
the Jets there was like a regular season game was
a few years ago. I think Ryan Fitzpatrick was the
quarterback for the Jets. I think Todd Bowles was the coach.
They went to overtime and Belichick won the toss and deferred.
(35:55):
You're like what And it was almost like he wanted
to uh beat the Jets in a unique way, like
they're they're the Jets. I'm gonna go ahead and defer,
get the ball back and then we're gonna win. And
I think the Jets went down and scored on their
first drive, and it was like what happened here? And
then there was a game against Indianapolis, a regular season
(36:15):
game where there was an odd decision to go for
it on like fourth and two or something like that.
This was a few years back when Peyton Manning was
still with the Colts and Tom Brady was there. I
just wonder if Belichick got in this spot and got
too cute and just outsmarted himself and said, you know,
it's like like when he would when he refused to
(36:35):
put Malcolm Butler in the game in that Super Bowl.
It was like, no, no, no, We're just gonna sit
Malcolm Butler. And we still don't know what the hell
happened before the game, but it's like they couldn't stop
Philly all game. Long they had no answers for him,
but for some reason, he felt like in that situation,
Malcolm Butler wouldn't have helped. Never mind the fact that
the guy has already played in the Super Bowl and
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had one of the biggest plays in the history of
the Super Bowl which helped win them a Super all.
It just feels like Belichick kind of gets too cute
sometimes and I wonder if that's what this was and
your as this point, the players are having to sit
up there and wear it, and then you know, not
to mention Mac Jones not being able to tackle Chandler
Jones in that situation also not I mean, he got
the hell stiffed out of him. Brady would have made
(37:18):
that tackle. That was one of the illest stiff arms
that people don't really talk about it. I mean it
was one of the most like the grading stiff arm,
Like that was just total disrespect and disregard for that man,
just on national television. YEA, take that because if somebody
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would have gone on the ground, so if Stevenson would
have gone rogue or Jacoby Myers would have gone rogue,
I felt like Belichick wasn't necessarily piste off after the game.
He just seems really disappointed and really defeated, And I
think that's because he knows it's on him if one
of those players did that. Remember when Brady and the
deflate gate stuff came up and he was so frustrated
(38:01):
with the whole situation that he said, just go ask Tom.
You got asked Tom. I didn't get that vibe from
Belichick after the game, And the more that he talks
about it, the more he just seems like that was
on me. And I wonder if he said so much
or has said as much to those players, one player
on that team that would actually feel like they have
enough tenure or enough whatever it may be, to not
(38:26):
do what Bill Belichick wants. One player Matthew Slater, and
that's it. No, And Matthew Matthew Slater a team player.
He is such a team player. He would never there's
identical twins, and then there's the according twins are like
(38:51):
I just there's t Keen Rende Barber. I can tell
the difference, that's not hard. But the mccordy Corty twins, like,
did they play a trick on Belichick one time? Doing that?
And probably I think they did. And also if they
played on different sides of the ball, for sure. Also,
(39:13):
do you get the sense that there's some sort of
tension between mac Jones and Bill Belichick. I'm starting to
get that hair frustration, like you're not Tom and you're
not the coach that coach Tom. Like they're looking at
each other like like, got you like the Spider Man picture.
Everybody's pointing at another Spider Man, Like, hold on, you
coach Tom Brady? Why why we're not getting the same results? Wait?
(39:36):
Hold on, I coached Tom Brady. Why aren't you getting
me the same results? And it's it's also like Brady
came in as you know, sixth round draft pick, he
you know, was and didn't have the you know, the
measurables and all the other things that came along with it.
So there was a clear pecking order established. Mac Jones
the first round pick and won a national title. So
I just wonder if mac Jones comes up a little
(39:57):
bit more of an ego or under standing of his
accomplishments and maybe doesn't play for a coach that is
familiar with Belichick and coaches the same type of way
as Belichicks are you looking at like, look, I played
for coach Saban. Holler at me, like, don't act like
I ain't never had greatness around me. I've been around greatness.
I've I paid my dues. I won for that that team, Like,
(40:21):
don't be disrespectful. Don't disrespect me. I played for Saban.
You know his name, Say his name, coach, coach Bill,
say his name like I come from something. Don't don't
be playing. That's Belichick's good friend. Though, Well there you go. Yeah,
well they better have him mediate before it gets to
(40:46):
it does feel like there's something going on with those guys,
and mac Jones is not. He's not gonna sit there
and just keep his mouth because well there wasn't their
stories Brady where even in practice when he wasn't playing,
when mac Jones would be slicing up the defense, he
would let him know, like he would talk to him
like I remember hearing stuff about that, even back when
he was just you know, on scout team that he
(41:06):
was really mouthing and would say things. But he yeh
talked a little trash, I mean, which, look, it fires
up the defense. It kind of fires up a lot
of people, but rightfully so too. It helps him continue
to keep his confidence in himself and his abilities when
he's not playing. So that's not overly surprising. I just
that's one of those plays and those endings that sticks
(41:29):
with you for the rest of your life, like you
will never forget that when like there's a rarity that happens.
I've always said, like I remember losing on a hail
mary where we had a past interference called and got
they gave Detroit and untimed down and then Stafford came
back after hurting his shoulder on that play a touchdown
(41:50):
pass and then kicked the p a t to win it.
And I remember sitting there thinking to myself, like I
never trusted the ending of a game ever again the
rest of my life. Then if I was playing on
the bench watching it now, like I never trust an
ending of the game because of how that game ended.
It was so crazy to see, Like, of all the
(42:11):
hail mary's that have been thrown in the history of football,
how many do you actually see a past interference call?
When you could call a past interference every single time,
Like every single time you could make a p I
call with the way everyone's going up for the football
and the way everyone fights for it. Yet we were
the team that got called for it. I just I'm
(42:31):
telling you, like, that's a loss for the Patriots that
I'll stick in the back of their minds forever because
you'll probably never see another loss like that again. So
you were in that game the was it the Matt
Stafford where he did them? Was he trying to do
a quarterback sneak and that's how he got hurt with
his ribbon try or something like that. It was actually
on the final I mean, if you want me to
(42:52):
tell Brandon Pettigrew one year, but I think it was
Brandon Pettigrew. If I had my memory, Sears definitely wasn't.
So how how it happened was he was literally throwing
hail Mary and he got crushed on that play. Well,
we got called for defensive pass interference, so we got
the ball with a two or whatever for an untimed down,
(43:13):
and he initially was going to go off and not
come in the game. I think they may have had
to call a time out, and then he ended up
coming back in to run the play and throw a
touchdown pass probably the pedigrew, and then they kicked the
p t to win it. God, you had a great game.
To three four yards, four touchdowns, no interceptions. How about that.
It was a fun game. It was back and forth,
(43:37):
are running back dropped. One could have been garage, a
wheel route. I'll never forget that. And that was the
best ball I throw the entire game, touchdowns and garbage down.
Do you think that was a garbage that was Actually
there's three touchdowns like in the first quarter. Yeah, because
I and I can. I think, I just I'm trying
(43:57):
to think back to what those touched now, and I
think Mohammed man a quiet you're looking at your looking
definitely not chance he stuck. He had another one. I
think Josh crom I think John said he's definitely not.
You completely turned the corner with I'm trying to think
the fourth one was it too? Was it to Michael Gaines?
(44:18):
I think the fourth one was like it's like a
two or three yard pass from to Michael Gaines. Yeah,
I think that's what. Yeah, let me now, let me
look it up and see if I got this correct.
Hold on a second, I don't know why LaVar plays
along with your Shenanigans. I really don't. Hold on, don't
throw me off here. I gotta take this in. Yeah,
that's correct. I got all this entire point of the conversation,
(44:38):
which was like, LaVar, did you lose a game that
You're like, Yep, nope, I'll never forget that, and I'll
always right, uh, but I'll told you about the Michigan game.
I just I'll just never forget that. It wasn'totas. That's
the most painful game I've ever lost. That's what I'm saying.
When a hail Mary, when you lose on a hail Mary,
(45:00):
it's like, I don't even know how to describe it.
It was fourth in like thirty one, it was fourth
in something dumb, stupid, crazy far and Cochrane just throws
the ball up and instead of us either like I don't,
I don't want to relive it. That's what I'm saying.
(45:21):
It is the most depressing because you will never remember
like that was probably my best statistical or one of
my best statistical performances, but no one remembers it. When
you lose like you only they will only remember that
a great game when you win, and then you when
you lose like that, it is the worst thing. I'm
pretty sure we all got hammered on the plane on
the in fact I should say pretty. I'm positive like
(45:45):
there was a lot of drinking going on Detroit to Cleveland.
I don't know. It felt like forever bust for all
I oh, I know, and we honestly could have busted
for all I know, but it felt like for her.
I promise I had a good night after that game.
After I got through the depression of losing, I rallied
(46:09):
a little bit. Definitely, those hail Mary losses hit different
Mary losses. Man. I think I had some banana red
that night. I think some way, somehow. Yeah, Um, you'll
know about what's banana read come on, bertso banana red
and uh, because this is liquor, Berna know about this.
(46:35):
I mean, Lee would know about that more than anyone else.
It's cheap liquor Berna. Tell us about that banana banana rid.
Hold on, I'm gonna tell you the brand of it.
Somebody out there like, how do you not remember banana rum? No,
it's not rum? Well, Lee? Where mad dog? Yea man?
And there you go mad dog? You know it's not
(46:55):
mad dog. That's like a misnomer. It's just m D.
People just started calling it mad dogana. I agree, we
did call it mad dog though, and you got the
banana red, the banana rid that one right there, that
man horrible computer screen? Now, is that what you're doing?
Told it. I don't have a problem admitting that. He
(47:20):
let me pull it up on my cell phone. Here
we go, pull up. Don't pull yourself phone up. That's good.
Don't even sound like jonas is. I can't even do it. Yeah,
but the funny thing was, I said on my cell phone,
let me pull it up on myself. I can't remember
a fifty nine yeard touchdown past him, Mohammed Massaqua back
(47:43):
at oh nine. I just remember his balls broken. Apparently,
I don't understand it, I said Mohammed Massaqui. I don't
know why we're still talking about that. I just know
I'm still wondering how LEEVE wasn't able to chime in
on that. I feel like he visits liquor store. How
do you not know? But I was the one who
told you, yeah you did. What do you say it
(48:04):
on the air something? Now he did say it in
my air. I thought it went over the are. Yeah,
yeah you did. Butnana rid I was faded too. I
think I had some alas that night too, and some
Tangeray in three different occasions, and I think that was
the first time I ever smoked a black amount. I
was depressed because of the hill. I was depressed. It'll
(48:27):
take you to New Lowest Man. People are like, here
have this. I was like, all right, drank a little
bit of that, and then I think one my own
boys he fell out in some bushes. We literally had
to pull him out of some bushes that night, like
it was a night. It was a night. I mean,
it was a night that what happened. It was the
waffle house the next morning though that's not in college.
(48:52):
That's pros. You you drowned your sorrows with that, and
you just asked make sure that that's definitely pros. That's
not college. And by the way, that's not every team.
It wasn't until I got to my second stop where
I started seeing that be more prevalent. Okay, waffle house,
(49:13):
next day, hotel, And there's different different environments. You know.
The home fries at and State College are just so good.
They're just different smothered, covered and peppered. They're not smothered,
but they shouldn't eat it. They definitely get coffee from
(49:35):
their onions, something about the way they pepper onions, then
the oil, maybe the oil that they used to cook.
Brady and I got to go coffees in Kentucky and
one of the guys working there looked like he had
fallen asleep on a table saw. I mean, he just
(49:55):
half man. I mean, I'm not here to just spare
someone one that we were the best dressed people that
maybe walked into waffle House the history of waffle House.
They asked if we were going to prom Yeah. I
was like, yep, I mean, but but mind you, obviously
we probably left it what we were there at like
(50:16):
five am, yeah, and that we're going to probably I
was going at six am. Didn't know. Probably the guy
winked at me that they said, like okay. I was like,
all right, well, I'm sure what's going on here? Oh
my gosh, that's correct. I mean, you guys finally well dressed.
(50:42):
You know, you guys. I understand that we almost missed
the beginning of the show because of a parking situation
and I had to drop off Jonas to coordinate how
to get over to our set, and at that point
I just said take Jonas. He's more for that. I am,
I'll figure out what to park, mind you, I parked
(51:03):
ten feet from where I dropped, showing us soft and
actually it was a very dramatic moment, and Jonas couldn't
figure out the directions and the guy telling us the directions,
So I would have been nobody knew where we were
supposed to go there at the at the race track. Yes, people,
I would have been alone on the open and not
show well potentially, But again I was just like, he's
(51:28):
way more important than I am. Jonas agree. He hopped
right out and it was like, yeah, that's what I
was hoping. But I told him the best was I
legally parked for the entirety of our show. Yeah, I
was all right, I'd probably led you. No one said
anything as long as you act like you know what
you're doing there, Like they really wouldn't say anything. I
could have literally put on a jockey outfit and dwarfed
(51:50):
every other jockey out there and got in a horse.
They would have let me ride myself. Look at that
man going down the track, like, what the hell's happening there?
That's the big is god? Start? Do you ever seen
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