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uh did you see that Sean Payton wants to get
back into coaching? Anybody see that? Did you guys that
if you believed so? So? The latest break this? Can
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good authority here at Fox Sports Radio and two pros
and a cup of Joe that Sean Payton would like
to get back into coaching again. Yeah, so that is
the uh all right, I mean we do have some
coaching fails taking place that I would lead you to
believe that it would be great to see Sean Payton
back into the league. So the like, there was a
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report that was thrown out there. I think we've even
talked about it at one point, because there's been so
many of these from Jeff Duncan at NOLA dot Com
that Sean Payton to the Saints was not a dead issue,
that there was still, you know, a possibility of this happening.
We've obviously talked about the l A connections, him interested
in l A. You know, people are thrown out, the
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Broncos stuff. There's a report that the Broncos and Panthers
he's not interested in even those those jobs have opened up,
but then you know they're Mike Floria throughout the possibility.
What about you know, him going back to New Orleans
and maybe teaming up with Sean with Tom Brady because
those two tried to work that out in Miami, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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It just doesn't stop. Every single day there's some other
rumor when it comes to Sean Payton, And the more
you look around, what's going to be available that actually
makes sense for him to want to walk away from
the gig he's got right now and want to go
back and join a team New Orleans doesn't have a
quarterback figured out. I'm looking around, like Dallas, that job
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may may or may not open. It looks like the
Chargers job is not opening up. I just I don't
know what what to make of Sean Payton constantly being
thrown into the news, And the reality is there's not
that many great openings that are going to be left.
If Dallas wants to keep Mike McCarthy and decides to
go in that direction. It's a little odd, but yet again,
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it's another day in Sean Payton's in the news and
we got the rumors going. So it's well done by him,
well orchestrated. Do you think other coaches like the fact
that he's, you know, putting all of this out there.
I mean, he's he's hitting up different sources, NFL insiders
to tell him that I'm putting together an All Star cast.
I mean, where else did that come from? It has
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to come directly from the out of Sean Payne at
this point in time of the year. If you're an
organization that's trying to make a playoff run, you're not
paying attention to Sean Payton is All Star cast he's
putting together. You're trying to get to the playoffs and
go in a super Bowl like that's where your focus is.
If you're a team that's in need of a head coach,
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that might be entertaining to you, but you already know
that if you fired your head coach or have an
interim head coach, you've already put out some feelers. So
you're gonna find that out regardless of talking directly with
Sean Paige, because you have a vacancy or you have
been you know in interim head coach where it's there's
going to be a vacancy. So I I looking and
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just kind of wonder like if this is more Sean
Payton trying to create a market for himself, like, hey,
don't forget about me. Yes, I'm on TV, but also
you know, I'm a guy as a violable Kennedy wants
to get back into all this because some of the
names I've heard for his staff. If you think about this,
like Denver just became an opening, right they fired Nathaniel Hackett.
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If Vic Fangio was part of that staff, are they
gonna welcome him back? Is that gonna be part of
the deal. It's a new ownership groups, so so maybe
there's you know, not bad blood between Big Fangio and
and Greg Petner, who's not the CEO, and you know
that that Walton family that that bought into it. Maybe
it's a different feel and he liked Denver and wants
to go back there, but they'd be kind of awkward, right.
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I just I kind of look at some of the
jobs that are out there the New Orleans Saints first off,
I mean, are they gonna fire Dennis Allen. I mean,
we tend to forget to if Sean Payton came back,
the Saints do of his rights. So wouldn't he have
to figure that out first? So wouldn't it be the
Saints first? Or they would have to you know, give
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him the ability to be released or traded or however
that work. I mean, last night checked that. I thought
that was how things ended off. And I wonder how
Dennis salad us about all that. No kid him, man
just definitely still own his rights, right, Yeah, And and
Dennis Allen was on his staff for years and then
he's got to sit around while he's you know, trying
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to coach for his job. He's got another opportunity to
be a head coach, and if he fails this time
out and the guy who he worked so closely with
the year's passes out there throwing his name into the
hat for the job that he just walked away from
less than a year ago. Is there a time where
is there a time frame on on them owning like
is it for like another year? Another two years? How
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does that work? I think it's another year, right, But
then they have control, They have control, so they have
to pay him or they just have control, Like what
what is it? And I think the detail and I
think they have to sign off on him wanting to
go take another job. There's some sort of and if
he's signed off, they don't have to pay him what
they're paying him right now. Correct, they're probably paying because
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that would be via a trade, right Brady, Because I
give this would be similar to the Gruden um. Yeah,
Gruden to the to the box back in that way.
I wonder how much longer that's for because here's here's
what I'm thinking, and I think that this is pretty
you know, I think it's feasible to think he's thinking
this way. He's going to ride out the duration of
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his contract. There's no reason for him to not ride
out the duration of his contract being paid out. But
you create a market for entry to get this job
in the National Football League, wherever that may be. Amongst
the owners, everybody's going to chirp about it. Who can
get Sean Payton? Who can Land? You know, the trophy
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coach that that had such great success in New Orleans
is considered to be a quarterback whisperer. Well, one thing
that we've made very clear is is that some of
the teams, the most probably the most attractive teams to
Sean Payton probably won't be job openings available for him.
So depending on how long that his the duration of
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his contract is with New Orleans, if you're creating that
market now in terms of what could possibly be in
terms of entry as a coach, then you're probably creating
more pressure on the media aspect of what you're doing
as well. Now, I don't know what he's making and
I don't I don't know what his situation is, his
scenario is, But there's the idea that you know, we
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joked about the dude from from ESPN, you know, putting
his his name in the hat to to be a coach,
and that could have been like, you know, look, pay
me more so I stay and not go coach. But
this could really be a very real thing with with
Sean Payton in terms of just leveraging what he could
possibly do with what he is doing, and if they
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really want him that badly to to stay in, you know,
in the spot that in the position that he's in,
or continue to grow what he's going to do media wise,
they'll try to keep him. They'll try to keep him
in media and and and sure, I'm sure that let
him go and welcome them back with open arms, but
they're no reason to just let him walk away either.
So he's creating a a want and a need demand,
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so to speak, on on the media side of it
as well. So it's it's like kind of like a
win win in a way for for Sean Payton right now,
because you do know that his services would be really,
really sought after for several different teams this season. Do
you think he's playing the TV angle? I think it's
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I mean, you keep your value high? Why not? I mean,
and that's like it. Look, this is negotiations one on one.
In order to be valued, you have to create a market.
You have to create two people that want you. And
so the first one is is TV. If you can
make a TV network feel like I am desired, I
am wanted, you can always go back to them and
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say give me a little more. I like what I'm doing.
You know, this NFL situation isn't really what I want,
but I do it because they're gonna pay me more
and I want to coach again. Now a TV network say, oh,
go take it. You want to go, You want to
coach that organization, Go take it. You know, even you
want to become the the next Colt's head coach, go
go take it. And they can always just literally lets
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you go because ultimately they know you're just gonna come
back to them in the end, right, you will eventually retire,
you'll eventually be burned out, you'll eventually come back to TV,
So they can play that card. But once you get
multiple teams involved, now you've hit the ticket because you've
got multiple teams that can really bit up to request
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your services, pay you, give you the terms that you
want as far as your control and the structure of
the organization and whether or not you're working with the
general manager you like or don't like, or have more
power than all those things, you know, roster control, like
those are little things that I think every head coach
kind of you know, goes in on and tries to
try to be a part of. So you know, that's
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what this is about to me, is him trying to
go in looking at this head coaching cycle and say
I'm the top dog, I'm the guy that everyone probably wants,
and I'm gonna make sure people know I'm gonna have
a great staff already in place. So if you need
a head coach, you come pay me top dollar. Boom.
I've got this whole thing set and he's trying to
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create a market for himself to entice other people, make
him look more attractive, if you will. So, I don't
know if it's just spending time out in l A,
you know, where everyone's glamorizing themselves, making themselves look better
looking and all that. I mean, it's maybe it's the
effect you guys out in l A. I've had on Sean.
That's that's all caused. Well, I mean that's here where
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it's not mine. I'm just saying. I mean, I had
a buddy tell me. There's a lot of a lot
of thousand dares out there, you know, people driving cars
they can't afford, but trying to look the part before
they become the part. Drive a BMW, read an apartment,
that's a move, you know, drive, sleep in your car,
get a chip membership. There you go, you can shower,
you get everything here, by the way, um Controy the Equinox.
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You know, there is a there is a a oddsmaker
out there, a book, if you will, that is projecting
that the team best LaVar and I guess okay, let's
do I mean only if we have game show music?
Do you have any by the way, it's been a
long time. Do we have Brady Quinn game show music?
Do we have that? Like we have? And this is
has nothing to do with maybe a heritage that that
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you know, I mean again again, this feels inappropriate. But
you know, we're not that far away from St. Patty's Day,
So I figured let's just go out there if we're
gonna go with us alight right around the corner. According
to bookies dot Com, which team, I'm sorry, you go back?
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I gotta give credit? What credit's do? No, no, go back?
What's that set again? Bookies dot com? Okay, let's just
say you've got a real problem. Alright. Look at that
guy in the eyes, all right, take him away from
a computer. He has the ability to search. It's real,
that's really what's up? Oh yeah, what do you think
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that he doesn't have a problems? Word pressed like a
most sucker to man. Yeah, it's a straight press, you know.
I'm just I was trying to see if anybody there
is no fluff with this site. Yeah, I was trying
to see if you know what, what place had some
odds up because you know they'll get into this and
more some of the more reputable places, like our friends
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at DraftKings. I'm sure we'll have some odds updated here
as well soon. But according to bookies dot com, there's
one team that is the favorite to land Sean Payton. Alright,
one team that's the favorite to land Sean Payton, LaVar Arrington.
You go first, she always goes first. Okay, Well, off speed, Um,
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let's say it's the See I'm torn because I feel
like the Saints situation is probably bigger issue than anything.
But I'm gonna say the Denver Broncos and they just
fired their coach and someone probably got all excited about
that and thinks, Sean Payne, Russell Wilson, what accommodation. I'm
gonna go with Arizona. Any winner is one of us?
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One yet? Up? How about that? Yeah, the Arizona Cardinals
the head coach, and plus how disrespectful is that they
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still have a head coach. Okay, this is the part.
He's still technically there even though he's leaving for personal reasons. Well, yeah,
you could say technically for all of them. I just
I can's not technically still there. I can he's not.
Now I'm talking about it in Arizona, you can say
they technically Someone argued Nathaniel Hacket hasn't been there at
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all at any point that I just deserved the sneer.
I'm just saying, you know, based on you know, the
in game operator that was hired a couple of weeks
in and what happened the first week of the season,
some would argue against Nathaniel Hackett's presence being anywhere close
to the facility. But he probably did at least a
three year deal, right, I mean, I know that's public domain,
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but it's probably at least a three year deal that
he did. Yeah, yeah, for one year or once, not
even a whole season, he's going to get paid for
three or four seasons. Yeah. You brought that up a
few I think a few weeks back or so, like
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why would you like get rid of a guy? Because
I think that was the reasoning behind you know, you
guys saying that he wouldn't get fired in seasons, like
why would you you know, why would you keep paying
or why would you might as well get your money's
worth out of it? You gotta pay him anyway they
fired him, man, and and you just get to go like, literally,
they're gonna give you a check, Well, you're gonna keep
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it depends on if they severed tie you right like
if they severance pay you like that, or if they're
gonna just keep paying you on on a schedule. But
either way, I mean, you're getting paid. Just said. Isn't
there an unspoken rule amongst like the coaching fraternity that hey, man,
it's kind of you know, like he's got he's got
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a job, that's his job. What are you doing throwing
your name in the hat for it? And it's Sean
Payton is just like, oh, that's cool. And I think
that every every job out there is being throwing his
name has been throwing them all at And I think
you asked a question earlier. How does that make other
coaches feel? I would think any coach that's on the
hot seat, I think it'll make them feel uncomfortable because
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you're you're looking at you don't know what you don't know,
or you worst you know what you do know. If
I've seen Sean Payton around during the off season, now
you're you're you're now you're running that through your mind, Like,
I know I used to do that with players like
hold on, man, Like that linebacker was here last offseason.
Why is he walking back into the building right right now?
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He's a Sam linebacker. Wait, I'm a Sam linebacker. He's
younger than me. Wait, wait, he's younger than me. Hold on,
he's going to be cheaper than me. Like, hold on, man,
Like I need to talk to somebody. Where's the g
I'm like, hey, Louis, like, hey, what's going on here? Like?
But did you want to know what's going on? Did
he publicly trying campaign for your job? And that's what
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makes it worse, is that's what I'm saying. He's got
Sean Payton has the swag, he's you know, he's got
it to be able to do that. You know, he
didn't leave the game as as a disgrace. He left
the game like I don't want moving on. A lot
of people were very very you know. That was what
was in my notes to ask you guys, what can
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can can we recall why he moved on in the
first place. I can't. I just it was mutual and uh,
I think probably also he looked around if it was
if it was mutual, then why do they still own
his rights? Then if it's mutual, you break up like
I'm not going to break up with you and be like,
well this is a mutual breakup. But you know, I
still if you want to come back, yeah, I still
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got you. If you want to jump back out there
in the dating pool like you ain't. You ain't going
to bend nobody else knee or something else, bend the knee.
You want to come back, and then you're gonna bend
Oh that's maybe not breat maybe wobble, wobble, but don't
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fall down, you know, but I'm just say you're going
that is a great point. Yeah. Uh it is two
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Coming up in about twenty minutes from now from the
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you here again. In another edition of incase you missed it,
we mentioned the Denver Broncos in search of a new
head coach. Yeah it's listen, and the Nathaniel Hackett era
is over and so they're they're moving on. They're looking
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for a brand new head coach. And so yesterday you
had your your general manager, uh, George Payton, who was
talking about Russell Wilson being fixable and Russell Wilson, you
know they still have faith in their quarterback. And then
the brand new owner, Greg Penner, which is which is
really optimistic for everybody involved. And then you've got the
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new owner slash CEO, Greg Penner, who spoke about the
situation the Denver Broncos are in and let's hear from
the brand new owner. I will lead a thorough process
with input from other owners and from George, who I
have confidence in as our general manager. The new head
coach will report to me, which is a more typical
structure UH in the NFL. Obviously, the relationship between the
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general manager and the head coach is a critical one
and UH George is going to be intimately involved with
this process of looking for a new head coach and
we'll make sure that there's a good fit there. So
there it is congratulations of the Broncos. You have a
clear direction and your quarterback is fixable. I mean, there's
nothing to worry about it, can can I ask this? So?
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George Payton, who was the general manager that was hired
before the new ownership group took place, and he was
the one that was in charge of hiring Nathaniel Hackett.
So it's it's odd that now the new ownership group
is putting so much onus on him. I know he's
well respected at NFL circles, but at some point should
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you ask yourself these questions. I mean, he's the general
manager that that hired the first time head coach you
just fired, probably more than anything else, so he could
control that head coach. You know, we kind of just
talked about that with Sean Payton and the opportunities he's
looking at. Just so people on the outside understand there
is a power struggle. There's the head coach the general manager,
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and typically you could say they're on the same level.
They both report to the owner, they both report to
the CEO. In this case for the Denver Broncos, one's
got the year, one doesn't. One is gonna get clipped
and blame the other and one isn't. That's typically how
these structures work. And so if he's the general manager
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that was brought on and hired Nathaniel Hackett, shouldn't he
be held more responsible accountable Or wasn't he there when
he was watching Nathaniel Hackett hire an offensive chord hitter
and a defensive coordinator, both of which had never called
plays before on either side of the ball. I mean,
shouldn't he be the guy that's looked at and said, well,
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wait a second, this guy that you hired, Remember, he
didn't have anyone to help him with game management, so
he had to hire Jerry Rossberg after the beginning of
the season. Like, where were you on that one? And
now Jerry Rossberg takes over his interim head coach. It's
just it's a bit odd. I mean, probably the most
damning thing that if I was George Payton and I
had hired Nathaniel Hackett or been a big part of
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the process, and I watched the guy that I hired
to be the head coach not hiring Mike Munschecker is
your offensive line coach, and extend they hire a first
time offensive line coach. Mike bun Check is one of
the best of not the best in the NFL. He's
coached in a ton of different offensive line schemes, so
he's adaptable to whatever coach comes in there, has a
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wealth of knowledge played the game, and by the way,
lives in Denver, Like you wouldn't even have to twist
his arm to be your offensive line coach because he
loves the Denver area. But no, Nathaniel Hackett was the
first time offensive line coach. I mean, at some point,
aren't you sitting there looking at going how wait? Why
why are we not holding this guy accountable too? If
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if he hired this guy and he was probably overseeing
the entire process. I just think this is when you
can new ownerships groups who are unfamiliar with the NFL
that you know, there's people who are very persuasive and
being able to get that ownership or whoever is empowered
to their ear and a lot of times it's how
they hang on to their job or to hang on
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to have power within an organizational structure and ends up
being a disaster for that organis station for years to come.
And by the way, ask Steeler fans how the O
liners performed since Munchek left, like their rushing numbers, like
everything is completely Uh, that's true. The reality is I
don't have to ask anyone of Pittsburgh. I can ask
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anyone who's ever been coached by Mike Munchick who's coached
around Mike Munschek. To me, it is it was shocking
that he didn't knowing the backstories that I know of this,
how that all went down, it's shocked in me that
he's not on that staff. I'll just leave it at that.
You know, it's interesting because when you're a high profile coach,
like high high profile coach, that's always something that's a
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point of contention. You know. It's it's like if I
can't bring in my own guy. I mean, you look
at it, Andy Reid, he brought in his own guy,
like literally raised him up, trained him, todd him, kept
him around, and elevated him to two GM. So when
you have that natural barrier of this is what I'm what,
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you know, what I realized is if you don't have
that type of loyalty or buy in from your GM
right and in a lot of times, at least for me,
this is what I saw when I was in Washington
was it's a friendship battle, is what you're basically saying, Like,
it's who can be the chummiest with with the ownership
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right and and and in this case for me it
was it was it was Snyder who you know, you
could see how Vinny Cerrato, you know, handle things with
with Dan. You could see it like this is more
about them being buddies, like, oh, they they drive the
same car, so they're gonna go driving on on a
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Saturday afternoon, or they're gonna go hop on the yacht
and hang out or do other things, you know, and
and and so it doesn't even it doesn't really even
equate to the performance of the team. It's like, we'll
find something to blame. But you're my buddy, so you
know him and keep you around. And and if you
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get into those type of situations in a professional environment,
then you're left to deal with. If it goes right, great,
But if it doesn't go right, I mean you're you're
looking out a scenario in a situation. I mean, we
didn't make the playoffs, and you drafted me second, You
drafted Chris Samuel's third. You brought in Dion Sanders, you
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brought in Mark Carrier, you brought in Bruce Smith. You
kept Darryl green Um, you kept Marco Coleman, you you
kept Dana stubble Field, you kept a flunk of old
as players. All due respect, like love the fact that
I got an opportunity to play with them my rookie
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year and be with them, But the contracts that you
paid out and the things that you did to bring
in You brought in Jeff George when you already had
Brad Johnson as a starter. Like that's that's how deep
they went with what they were doing in terms of
what the GM was doing. And they fired north Turner
before the season was over. We were I'll never forget it.
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We lost in Dallas and that was like the final
straw for Dad and they fired him. I don't even
know if he came back with us. But the point
I'm making is is that's one trick that you will
see and I I totally agree if a team fails,
If a team fails based upon what the product is
out there on the field, you have two decisions to make,
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or you have one decision to make. If it's too
then that decision is what is it that you're gonna
do coach versus GM. If it's one, you're getting rid
of both, you know. And that's kind of to me
if you're looking at it at face value of I
paid this amount of money, or I was a part
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of bringing this this person in, not just the personnel
on the field, but I brought in the coaching staff
that's doing this. Then Ultimately, you have to hold accountable
the person that made those decisions because they did not
do a good enough job. Now that's just what it is.
It's a production business. You know what stood out to
me too about these comments from from Greg Penner is
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he he really did make comments that we're pointed to
Russell Wilson about his level of play and needing to
get more out of that, expecting more out of it,
especially for the money is that he's been paid. I
wonder how much of the decision to fire Nathaniel Hackett
when they fired him, came via Russ or came from
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his his team, if you will, since that's kind of
how it kind of works when you got some of
these bigger name guys. There's something within his team that's
speaking with the ownership group. We're having those side conversations
and you know, saying you might want to get a
jump start on this. You know, Russ isn't really higher
high on this guy or hasn't worked out the way
they had hoped. If you want to make sure that
things are a copasetic moving forward, we probably need to
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you go hire a guy that's gonna be able to
work with us and help him Excel and Nathaniel Hackett
wasn't that guy. Um. It's just it's interesting to me
that sometimes those conversations happen. It doesn't seem like that's
the case here. It seems like the new ownership group
has really kept a I'm the owner, you're the employee,
you were paying you. You need to play better than
what you've done so far, and we're going to work
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with the general manager who helped bring you in via trade.
And I'm sure it was a part of the process
of structuring this contract. We're now tied to you again.
Maybe you can pick that. That is another thing that
you look at George Payton and go, what were you thinking?
You know, why did this not work out? It's either
being you brought in the wrong guy who doesn't have
as much left as we all thought, or you brought
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in a head coach that you know with this guy
you thought it could be a good parent. It didn't work.
Either way. Again, it falls back to George Payton still
being a part of the process where it didn't work out.
But sometimes you see that ownership group having that relationship
with the player in this case, like, I don't think
that's there. You know, I think they've got themselves at
arms length distance from Russell Wilson right now, where they're
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not factoring in him at least, it doesn't seem outwardly
much into who the next head coach is going to be. Well,
maybe he's in his office, like and so maybe they
don't have the key to the office and he doesn't
hear him knocking, so that's why he's going over you know,
game tape and stuff like that. I'll tell you what
that's That's the first thing that i'd wanna like if
I'm if I'm the head coach, I walk in there,
that's gone, Like I think that's gone. I'd be like, look,
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Peyton Manning didn't even have this here. Go down the
quarterback room, make that your office. You don't need all
of this. We can we can, we can go ahead
and make sure we keep this thing where I'm the coach,
you're the player, you know, go go rent office space
somewhere else, play of office space around the facility. Well,
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I don't know if it matters if he says no,
it's just the next day he walks in and they're
already remodeling his office and stuff to move downstairs. You
know what, if it's in his contract, that would be
probably something that you would walk into say this, this
is a disaster, I'm under this. Uh. It just seems
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creepy after somebody's not done well, right, like if he
was winning, it's like, oh yeah, but it's like it
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I'm tired as hell and I need a recovery beer.
I mean, like, what is it like a recovery beer?
What do you mean? I thought he was gonna say recovery. Uh,
it's probably you know about those No I would recovery.
I thought that's what he was gonna say. I think
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something special to it? I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna
say about I want to say, I'm gonna say they
know nothing about it. But you know, we bought a
whole bunch of them and it was really good. Man
had a different symbol on it than the other one.
That was what it is. Respondo like like I don't
rename either. It's a or and yeah blanc. Yeah there's
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all that. Yeah, yeah in a whole Yeah that's a
brand that Yeah, I guess so, so that's a brand.
By the way, when you guys, when you hear the
comparisons for Luca donc Chick and you hear Larry Bird
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be thrown in there, what do you think that I
should do with? You think so all the way it's
like no, but that's like there's no other Yeah, there's
no other comfort could be a black hold on In
all fairness, all right, I'm just saying they do. They do.
They're kind of similar, like why do we have to
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make it more that needs to be It's like about
white the white, like you know, yeah, but like they
moved the same. They're kind of probably similar in statue.
I think Bird was a little taller. Both great shooters
are great, you know, crafty at finding ways of getting
the bucket or making baskets. Both I think have like
low key way better trash talking than anyone realizes. That's
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Bird what's an ahole? But like I think Luca kind
of does too. He's like so beloved that people under
standing like this dude can he can get after it out.
There's a laugh at you, like he'll he'll do you,
and he'll laugh at you. You flip you and flip
you for real, then you laugh at you. It just
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would be you know, flip. It would be nice if somebody,
you know, could say, man, that Luca reminds me so
much of Joe Dumars. I think you two could have
been characters in the Usual Suspect the movie. I think
you and could have been and The Departed, by the way,
I think you guys would have been like a dope
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uh did you see that Sean Payton wants to get
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if you believed so? So? The latest break this? Can
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and a cup of Joe that Sean Payton would like
to get back into coaching again. Yeah, so that is
the uh all right, I mean we do have some
coaching fails taking place that I would lead you to
believe that it would be great to see Sean Payton
back into the league. So the like, there was a
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report that was thrown out there. I think we've even
talked about it at one point, because there's been so
many of these from Jeff Duncan at NOLA dot Com
that Sean Payton to the Saints was not a dead issue,
that there was still, you know, a possibility of this happening.
We've obviously talked about the l A connections, him interested
in l A. You know, people are thrown out, the
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Broncos stuff. There's a report that the Broncos and Panthers
he's not interested in even those those jobs have opened up,
but then you know they're Mike Floria throughout the possibility.
What about you know, him going back to New Orleans
and maybe teaming up with Sean with Tom Brady because
those two tried to work that out in Miami, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.
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It just doesn't stop. Every single day there's some other
rumor when it comes to Sean Payton, And the more
you look around, what's going to be available that actually
makes sense for him to want to walk away from
the gig he's got right now and want to go
back and join a team New Orleans doesn't have a
quarterback figured out. I'm looking around, like Dallas, that job
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may may or may not open. It looks like the
Chargers job is not opening up. I just I don't
know what what to make of Sean Payton constantly being
thrown into the news, And the reality is there's not
that many great openings that are going to be left.
If Dallas wants to keep Mike McCarthy and decides to
go in that direction. It's a little odd, but yet again,
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it's another day in Sean Payton's in the news and
we got the rumors going. So it's well done by him,
well orchestrated. Do you think other coaches like the fact
that he's, you know, putting all of this out there.
I mean, he's he's hitting up different sources, NFL insiders
to tell him that I'm putting together an All Star cast.
I mean, where else did that come from? It has
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to come directly from the out of Sean Payne at
this point in time of the year. If you're an
organization that's trying to make a playoff run, you're not
paying attention to Sean Payton is All Star cast he's
putting together. You're trying to get to the playoffs and
go in a super Bowl like that's where your focus is.
If you're a team that's in need of a head coach,
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that might be entertaining to you, but you already know
that if you fired your head coach or have an
interim head coach, you've already put out some feelers. So
you're gonna find that out regardless of talking directly with
Sean Paige, because you have a vacancy or you have
been you know in interim head coach where it's there's
going to be a vacancy. So I I looking and
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just kind of wonder like if this is more Sean
Payton trying to create a market for himself, like, hey,
don't forget about me. Yes, I'm on TV, but also
you know, I'm a guy as a violable Kennedy wants
to get back into all this because some of the
names I've heard for his staff. If you think about this,
like Denver just became an opening, right they fired Nathaniel Hackett.
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If Vic Fangio was part of that staff, are they
gonna welcome him back? Is that gonna be part of
the deal. It's a new ownership groups, so so maybe
there's you know, not bad blood between Big Fangio and
and Greg Petner, who's not the CEO, and you know
that that Walton family that that bought into it. Maybe
it's a different feel and he liked Denver and wants
to go back there, but they'd be kind of awkward, right.
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I just I kind of look at some of the
jobs that are out there the New Orleans Saints first off,
I mean, are they gonna fire Dennis Allen. I mean,
we tend to forget to if Sean Payton came back,
the Saints do of his rights. So wouldn't he have
to figure that out first? So wouldn't it be the
Saints first? Or they would have to you know, give
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him the ability to be released or traded or however
that work. I mean, last night checked that. I thought
that was how things ended off. And I wonder how
Dennis salad us about all that. No kid him, man
just definitely still own his rights, right, Yeah, And and
Dennis Allen was on his staff for years and then
he's got to sit around while he's you know, trying
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to coach for his job. He's got another opportunity to
be a head coach, and if he fails this time
out and the guy who he worked so closely with
the year's passes out there throwing his name into the
hat for the job that he just walked away from
less than a year ago. Is there a time where
is there a time frame on on them owning like
is it for like another year? Another two years? How
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does that work? I think it's another year, right, But
then they have control, They have control, so they have
to pay him or they just have control, Like what
what is it? And I think the detail and I
think they have to sign off on him wanting to
go take another job. There's some sort of and if
he's signed off, they don't have to pay him what
they're paying him right now. Correct, they're probably paying because
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that would be via a trade, right Brady, Because I
give this would be similar to the Gruden um. Yeah,
Gruden to the to the box back in that way.
I wonder how much longer that's for because here's here's
what I'm thinking, and I think that this is pretty
you know, I think it's feasible to think he's thinking
this way. He's going to ride out the duration of
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his contract. There's no reason for him to not ride
out the duration of his contract being paid out. But
you create a market for entry to get this job
in the National Football League, wherever that may be. Amongst
the owners, everybody's going to chirp about it. Who can
get Sean Payton? Who can Land? You know, the trophy
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coach that that had such great success in New Orleans
is considered to be a quarterback whisperer. Well, one thing
that we've made very clear is is that some of
the teams, the most probably the most attractive teams to
Sean Payton probably won't be job openings available for him.
So depending on how long that his the duration of
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his contract is with New Orleans, if you're creating that
market now in terms of what could possibly be in
terms of entry as a coach, then you're probably creating
more pressure on the media aspect of what you're doing
as well. Now, I don't know what he's making and
I don't I don't know what his situation is, his
scenario is, But there's the idea that you know, we
(09:20):
joked about the dude from from ESPN, you know, putting
his his name in the hat to to be a coach,
and that could have been like, you know, look, pay
me more so I stay and not go coach. But
this could really be a very real thing with with
Sean Payton in terms of just leveraging what he could
possibly do with what he is doing, and if they
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really want him that badly to to stay in, you know,
in the spot that in the position that he's in,
or continue to grow what he's going to do media wise,
they'll try to keep him. They'll try to keep him
in media and and and sure, I'm sure that let
him go and welcome them back with open arms, but
they're no reason to just let him walk away either.
So he's creating a a want and a need demand,
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so to speak, on on the media side of it
as well. So it's it's like kind of like a
win win in a way for for Sean Payton right now,
because you do know that his services would be really,
really sought after for several different teams this season. Do
you think he's playing the TV angle? I think it's
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I mean, you keep your value high? Why not? I mean,
and that's like it. Look, this is negotiations one on one.
In order to be valued, you have to create a market.
You have to create two people that want you. And
so the first one is is TV. If you can
make a TV network feel like I am desired, I
am wanted, you can always go back to them and
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say give me a little more. I like what I'm doing.
You know, this NFL situation isn't really what I want,
but I do it because they're gonna pay me more
and I want to coach again. Now a TV network say, oh,
go take it. You want to go, You want to
coach that organization, Go take it. You know, even you
want to become the the next Colt's head coach, go
go take it. And they can always just literally lets
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you go because ultimately they know you're just gonna come
back to them in the end, right, you will eventually retire,
you'll eventually be burned out, you'll eventually come back to TV,
So they can play that card. But once you get
multiple teams involved, now you've hit the ticket because you've
got multiple teams that can really bit up to request
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your services, pay you, give you the terms that you
want as far as your control and the structure of
the organization and whether or not you're working with the
general manager you like or don't like, or have more
power than all those things, you know, roster control, like
those are little things that I think every head coach
kind of you know, goes in on and tries to
try to be a part of. So you know, that's
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what this is about to me, is him trying to
go in looking at this head coaching cycle and say
I'm the top dog, I'm the guy that everyone probably wants,
and I'm gonna make sure people know I'm gonna have
a great staff already in place. So if you need
a head coach, you come pay me top dollar. Boom.
I've got this whole thing set and he's trying to
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create a market for himself to entice other people, make
him look more attractive, if you will. So, I don't
know if it's just spending time out in l A,
you know, where everyone's glamorizing themselves, making themselves look better
looking and all that. I mean, it's maybe it's the
effect you guys out in l A. I've had on Sean.
That's that's all caused. Well, I mean that's here where
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it's not mine. I'm just saying. I mean, I had
a buddy tell me. There's a lot of a lot
of thousand dares out there, you know, people driving cars
they can't afford, but trying to look the part before
they become the part. Drive a BMW, read an apartment,
that's a move, you know, drive, sleep in your car,
get a chip membership. There you go, you can shower,
you get everything here, by the way, um Controy the Equinox.
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You know, there is a there is a a oddsmaker
out there, a book, if you will, that is projecting
that the team best LaVar and I guess okay, let's
do I mean only if we have game show music?
Do you have any by the way, it's been a
long time. Do we have Brady Quinn game show music?
Do we have that? Like we have? And this is
has nothing to do with maybe a heritage that that
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you know, I mean again again, this feels inappropriate. But
you know, we're not that far away from St. Patty's Day,
So I figured let's just go out there if we're
gonna go with us alight right around the corner. According
to bookies dot Com, which team, I'm sorry, you go back?
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I gotta give credit? What credit's do? No, no, go back?
What's that set again? Bookies dot com? Okay, let's just
say you've got a real problem. Alright. Look at that
guy in the eyes, all right, take him away from
a computer. He has the ability to search. It's real,
that's really what's up? Oh yeah, what do you think
(14:07):
that he doesn't have a problems? Word pressed like a
most sucker to man. Yeah, it's a straight press, you know.
I'm just I was trying to see if anybody there
is no fluff with this site. Yeah, I was trying
to see if you know what, what place had some
odds up because you know they'll get into this and
more some of the more reputable places, like our friends
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at DraftKings. I'm sure we'll have some odds updated here
as well soon. But according to bookies dot com, there's
one team that is the favorite to land Sean Payton. Alright,
one team that's the favorite to land Sean Payton, LaVar Arrington.
You go first, she always goes first. Okay, Well, off speed, Um,
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let's say it's the See I'm torn because I feel
like the Saints situation is probably bigger issue than anything.
But I'm gonna say the Denver Broncos and they just
fired their coach and someone probably got all excited about
that and thinks, Sean Payne, Russell Wilson, what accommodation. I'm
gonna go with Arizona. Any winner is one of us?
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One yet? Up? How about that? Yeah, the Arizona Cardinals
the head coach, and plus how disrespectful is that they
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still have a head coach. Okay, this is the part.
He's still technically there even though he's leaving for personal reasons. Well, yeah,
you could say technically for all of them. I just
I can's not technically still there. I can he's not.
Now I'm talking about it in Arizona, you can say
they technically Someone argued Nathaniel Hacket hasn't been there at
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all at any point that I just deserved the sneer.
I'm just saying, you know, based on you know, the
in game operator that was hired a couple of weeks
in and what happened the first week of the season,
some would argue against Nathaniel Hackett's presence being anywhere close
to the facility. But he probably did at least a
three year deal, right, I mean, I know that's public domain,
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but it's probably at least a three year deal that
he did. Yeah, yeah, for one year or once, not
even a whole season, he's going to get paid for
three or four seasons. Yeah. You brought that up a
few I think a few weeks back or so, like
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why would you like get rid of a guy? Because
I think that was the reasoning behind you know, you
guys saying that he wouldn't get fired in seasons, like
why would you you know, why would you keep paying
or why would you might as well get your money's
worth out of it? You gotta pay him anyway they
fired him, man, and and you just get to go like, literally,
they're gonna give you a check, Well, you're gonna keep
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it depends on if they severed tie you right like
if they severance pay you like that, or if they're
gonna just keep paying you on on a schedule. But
either way, I mean, you're getting paid. Just said. Isn't
there an unspoken rule amongst like the coaching fraternity that hey, man,
it's kind of you know, like he's got he's got
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a job, that's his job. What are you doing throwing
your name in the hat for it? And it's Sean
Payton is just like, oh, that's cool. And I think
that every every job out there is being throwing his
name has been throwing them all at And I think
you asked a question earlier. How does that make other
coaches feel? I would think any coach that's on the
hot seat, I think it'll make them feel uncomfortable because
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you're you're looking at you don't know what you don't know,
or you worst you know what you do know. If
I've seen Sean Payton around during the off season, now
you're you're you're now you're running that through your mind, Like,
I know I used to do that with players like
hold on, man, Like that linebacker was here last offseason.
Why is he walking back into the building right right now?
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He's a Sam linebacker. Wait, I'm a Sam linebacker. He's
younger than me. Wait, wait, he's younger than me. Hold on,
he's going to be cheaper than me. Like, hold on, man,
Like I need to talk to somebody. Where's the g
I'm like, hey, Louis, like, hey, what's going on here? Like?
But did you want to know what's going on? Did
he publicly trying campaign for your job? And that's what
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makes it worse, is that's what I'm saying. He's got
Sean Payton has the swag, he's you know, he's got
it to be able to do that. You know, he
didn't leave the game as as a disgrace. He left
the game like I don't want moving on. A lot
of people were very very you know. That was what
was in my notes to ask you guys, what can
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can can we recall why he moved on in the
first place. I can't. I just it was mutual and uh,
I think probably also he looked around if it was
if it was mutual, then why do they still own
his rights? Then if it's mutual, you break up like
I'm not going to break up with you and be like,
well this is a mutual breakup. But you know, I
still if you want to come back, yeah, I still
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got you. If you want to jump back out there
in the dating pool like you ain't. You ain't going
to bend nobody else knee or something else, bend the knee.
You want to come back, and then you're gonna bend
Oh that's maybe not breat maybe wobble, wobble, but don't
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fall down, you know, but I'm just say you're going
that is a great point. Yeah. Uh it is two
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You'll hear from him next here on fs are be
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Coming up in about twenty minutes from now from the
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the world of sports last night. We'll have that for
you here again. In another edition of incase you missed it,
we mentioned the Denver Broncos in search of a new
head coach. Yeah it's listen, and the Nathaniel Hackett era
is over and so they're they're moving on. They're looking
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for a brand new head coach. And so yesterday you
had your your general manager, uh, George Payton, who was
talking about Russell Wilson being fixable and Russell Wilson, you
know they still have faith in their quarterback. And then
the brand new owner, Greg Penner, which is which is
really optimistic for everybody involved. And then you've got the
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new owner slash CEO, Greg Penner, who spoke about the
situation the Denver Broncos are in and let's hear from
the brand new owner. I will lead a thorough process
with input from other owners and from George, who I
have confidence in as our general manager. The new head
coach will report to me, which is a more typical
structure UH in the NFL. Obviously, the relationship between the
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general manager and the head coach is a critical one
and UH George is going to be intimately involved with
this process of looking for a new head coach and
we'll make sure that there's a good fit there. So
there it is congratulations of the Broncos. You have a
clear direction and your quarterback is fixable. I mean, there's
nothing to worry about it, can can I ask this? So?
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George Payton, who was the general manager that was hired
before the new ownership group took place, and he was
the one that was in charge of hiring Nathaniel Hackett.
So it's it's odd that now the new ownership group
is putting so much onus on him. I know he's
well respected at NFL circles, but at some point should
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you ask yourself these questions. I mean, he's the general
manager that that hired the first time head coach you
just fired, probably more than anything else, so he could
control that head coach. You know, we kind of just
talked about that with Sean Payton and the opportunities he's
looking at. Just so people on the outside understand there
is a power struggle. There's the head coach the general manager,
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and typically you could say they're on the same level.
They both report to the owner, they both report to
the CEO. In this case for the Denver Broncos, one's
got the year, one doesn't. One is gonna get clipped
and blame the other and one isn't. That's typically how
these structures work. And so if he's the general manager
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that was brought on and hired Nathaniel Hackett, shouldn't he
be held more responsible accountable Or wasn't he there when
he was watching Nathaniel Hackett hire an offensive chord hitter
and a defensive coordinator, both of which had never called
plays before on either side of the ball. I mean,
shouldn't he be the guy that's looked at and said, well,
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wait a second, this guy that you hired, Remember, he
didn't have anyone to help him with game management, so
he had to hire Jerry Rossberg after the beginning of
the season. Like, where were you on that one? And
now Jerry Rossberg takes over his interim head coach. It's
just it's a bit odd. I mean, probably the most
damning thing that if I was George Payton and I
had hired Nathaniel Hackett or been a big part of
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the process, and I watched the guy that I hired
to be the head coach not hiring Mike Munschecker is
your offensive line coach, and extend they hire a first
time offensive line coach. Mike bun Check is one of
the best of not the best in the NFL. He's
coached in a ton of different offensive line schemes, so
he's adaptable to whatever coach comes in there, has a
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wealth of knowledge played the game, and by the way,
lives in Denver, Like you wouldn't even have to twist
his arm to be your offensive line coach because he
loves the Denver area. But no, Nathaniel Hackett was the
first time offensive line coach. I mean, at some point,
aren't you sitting there looking at going how wait? Why
why are we not holding this guy accountable too? If
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if he hired this guy and he was probably overseeing
the entire process. I just think this is when you
can new ownerships groups who are unfamiliar with the NFL
that you know, there's people who are very persuasive and
being able to get that ownership or whoever is empowered
to their ear and a lot of times it's how
they hang on to their job or to hang on
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to have power within an organizational structure and ends up
being a disaster for that organis station for years to come.
And by the way, ask Steeler fans how the O
liners performed since Munchek left, like their rushing numbers, like
everything is completely Uh, that's true. The reality is I
don't have to ask anyone of Pittsburgh. I can ask
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anyone who's ever been coached by Mike Munchick who's coached
around Mike Munschek. To me, it is it was shocking
that he didn't knowing the backstories that I know of this,
how that all went down, it's shocked in me that
he's not on that staff. I'll just leave it at that.
You know, it's interesting because when you're a high profile coach,
like high high profile coach, that's always something that's a
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point of contention. You know. It's it's like if I
can't bring in my own guy. I mean, you look
at it, Andy Reid, he brought in his own guy,
like literally raised him up, trained him, todd him, kept
him around, and elevated him to two GM. So when
you have that natural barrier of this is what I'm what,
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you know, what I realized is if you don't have
that type of loyalty or buy in from your GM
right and in a lot of times, at least for me,
this is what I saw when I was in Washington
was it's a friendship battle, is what you're basically saying, Like,
it's who can be the chummiest with with the ownership
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right and and and in this case for me it
was it was it was Snyder who you know, you
could see how Vinny Cerrato, you know, handle things with
with Dan. You could see it like this is more
about them being buddies, like, oh, they they drive the
same car, so they're gonna go driving on on a
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Saturday afternoon, or they're gonna go hop on the yacht
and hang out or do other things, you know, and
and and so it doesn't even it doesn't really even
equate to the performance of the team. It's like, we'll
find something to blame. But you're my buddy, so you
know him and keep you around. And and if you
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get into those type of situations in a professional environment,
then you're left to deal with. If it goes right, great,
But if it doesn't go right, I mean you're you're
looking out a scenario in a situation. I mean, we
didn't make the playoffs, and you drafted me second, You
drafted Chris Samuel's third. You brought in Dion Sanders, you
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brought in Mark Carrier, you brought in Bruce Smith. You
kept Darryl green Um, you kept Marco Coleman, you you
kept Dana stubble Field, you kept a flunk of old
as players. All due respect, like love the fact that
I got an opportunity to play with them my rookie
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year and be with them, But the contracts that you
paid out and the things that you did to bring
in You brought in Jeff George when you already had
Brad Johnson as a starter. Like that's that's how deep
they went with what they were doing in terms of
what the GM was doing. And they fired north Turner
before the season was over. We were I'll never forget it.
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We lost in Dallas and that was like the final
straw for Dad and they fired him. I don't even
know if he came back with us. But the point
I'm making is is that's one trick that you will
see and I I totally agree if a team fails,
If a team fails based upon what the product is
out there on the field, you have two decisions to make,
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or you have one decision to make. If it's too
then that decision is what is it that you're gonna
do coach versus GM. If it's one, you're getting rid
of both, you know. And that's kind of to me
if you're looking at it at face value of I
paid this amount of money, or I was a part
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of bringing this this person in, not just the personnel
on the field, but I brought in the coaching staff
that's doing this. Then Ultimately, you have to hold accountable
the person that made those decisions because they did not
do a good enough job. Now that's just what it is.
It's a production business. You know what stood out to
me too about these comments from from Greg Penner is
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he he really did make comments that we're pointed to
Russell Wilson about his level of play and needing to
get more out of that, expecting more out of it,
especially for the money is that he's been paid. I
wonder how much of the decision to fire Nathaniel Hackett
when they fired him, came via Russ or came from
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his his team, if you will, since that's kind of
how it kind of works when you got some of
these bigger name guys. There's something within his team that's
speaking with the ownership group. We're having those side conversations
and you know, saying you might want to get a
jump start on this. You know, Russ isn't really higher
high on this guy or hasn't worked out the way
they had hoped. If you want to make sure that
things are a copasetic moving forward, we probably need to
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you go hire a guy that's gonna be able to
work with us and help him Excel and Nathaniel Hackett
wasn't that guy. Um. It's just it's interesting to me
that sometimes those conversations happen. It doesn't seem like that's
the case here. It seems like the new ownership group
has really kept a I'm the owner, you're the employee,
you were paying you. You need to play better than
what you've done so far, and we're going to work
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with the general manager who helped bring you in via trade.
And I'm sure it was a part of the process
of structuring this contract. We're now tied to you again.
Maybe you can pick that. That is another thing that
you look at George Payton and go, what were you thinking?
You know, why did this not work out? It's either
being you brought in the wrong guy who doesn't have
as much left as we all thought, or you brought
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in a head coach that you know with this guy
you thought it could be a good parent. It didn't work.
Either way. Again, it falls back to George Payton still
being a part of the process where it didn't work out.
But sometimes you see that ownership group having that relationship
with the player in this case, like, I don't think
that's there. You know, I think they've got themselves at
arms length distance from Russell Wilson right now, where they're
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not factoring in him at least, it doesn't seem outwardly
much into who the next head coach is going to be. Well,
maybe he's in his office, like and so maybe they
don't have the key to the office and he doesn't
hear him knocking, so that's why he's going over you know,
game tape and stuff like that. I'll tell you what
that's That's the first thing that i'd wanna like if
I'm if I'm the head coach, I walk in there,
that's gone, Like I think that's gone. I'd be like, look,
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Peyton Manning didn't even have this here. Go down the
quarterback room, make that your office. You don't need all
of this. We can we can, we can go ahead
and make sure we keep this thing where I'm the coach,
you're the player, you know, go go rent office space
somewhere else, play of office space around the facility. Well,
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I don't know if it matters if he says no,
it's just the next day he walks in and they're
already remodeling his office and stuff to move downstairs. You
know what, if it's in his contract, that would be
probably something that you would walk into say this, this
is a disaster, I'm under this. Uh. It just seems
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creepy after somebody's not done well, right, like if he
was winning, it's like, oh yeah, but it's like it
just sounds creeping man. Two Pros and a Cup of
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XT now a little over ten minutes from now from
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update on a quarterback competition in the NFL. All right,
Apparently there's there's some rumblings about a potential switch at quarterback.
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We will get to that for year on Fox Sports Radio,
but right now it's time for this. Sometimes you can't
get to everything in the world of sports or entertainment.
Good thing, the guys are here to bring you you
miss and for that we turn it over to our
executive producer, Lead to do did to laugh Fellas. In
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case you missed the MAVs overtime win over the Knicks
last night, you would have also missed Luca dots first
ever SI triple double, tying the highest scoring ever. Yeah
that's sexy. Yeah, the tying James Harden for the highest
scoring ever triple double. He was quoted after the games saying,
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I'm tired as hell and I need a recovery beer.
I mean, like, what is it like a recovery beer?
What do you mean? I thought he was gonna say recovery. Uh,
it's probably you know about those No I would recovery.
I thought that's what he was gonna say. I think
that's a little off limits these day might be too soon.
(34:47):
Um yeah, I don't know if an I p A
would do it though, you know, I feel like, you know,
I know, I'm more of a wine guy me personally,
but again that's you know, you like sweet Britt. Oh,
by the way, thanks for the kaz my god, I
appreciate you. Oh yeah. Yeah. There's like a different marking
on there. Is it like like a special was it
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something special to it? I guess I'm gonna I'm gonna
say about I want to say, I'm gonna say they
know nothing about it. But you know, we bought a
whole bunch of them and it was really good. Man
had a different symbol on it than the other one.
That was what it is. Respondo like like I don't
rename either. It's a or and yeah blanc. Yeah there's
(35:33):
all that. Yeah, yeah in a whole Yeah that's a
brand that Yeah, I guess so, so that's a brand.
By the way, when you guys, when you hear the
comparisons for Luca donc Chick and you hear Larry Bird
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be thrown in there, what do you think that I
should do with? You think so all the way it's
like no, but that's like there's no other Yeah, there's
no other comfort could be a black hold on In
all fairness, all right, I'm just saying they do. They do.
They're kind of similar, like why do we have to
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make it more that needs to be It's like about
white the white, like you know, yeah, but like they
moved the same. They're kind of probably similar in statue.
I think Bird was a little taller. Both great shooters
are great, you know, crafty at finding ways of getting
the bucket or making baskets. Both I think have like
low key way better trash talking than anyone realizes. That's
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probably my favorite part. It's like people don't realize Larry
Bird what's an ahole? But like I think Luca kind
of does too. He's like so beloved that people under
standing like this dude can he can get after it out.
There's a laugh at you, like he'll he'll do you,
and he'll laugh at you. You flip you and flip
you for real, then you laugh at you. It just
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would be you know, flip. It would be nice if somebody,
you know, could say, man, that Luca reminds me so
much of Joe Dumars. I think you two could have
been characters in the Usual Suspect the movie. I think
you and could have been and The Departed, by the way,
I think you guys would have been like a dope
cop duel honestly, training day, how about that? Yeah? I
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think I think Brady would be Denzel Washington and that
you're very innocent. Yeah, you'd be ready to get your
pushed in. Yeah. Have you ever? Have you every Bertoe?
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Have you ever come on? Really? I mean that was necessary.
Those were some great movie right the way the dumpstandings,
LaVar Arrington's got a clear lead over the rest of
the show's say that, well, I don't like to lose,
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I don't like to be behind. Really that really got though.
Can you tell me what that really means off air? Please?
Can you tell me in my air right now? Ye?
Tell me what it means? Yeah? Oh wow? That do
not know that? One thought it was more of a
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valient play than it was. That's a different type of
balance that is not did not know that radio appropriate? Yeah, clearly.
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