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Two Pros and a Cup of Joe. Fox Sports Radio,
LaVar Arrington, Brady Quinn Jonas knocks in the Here. Coming
up on this Wednesday edition, we've got the latest on
the Damar Hamlin situation and what the NFL plans to
do moving forward with Week eighteen with the Bengals in
the Bills game, we'll discuss all of that. There's also
some rumors about a big time college football coach heading
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it is a a fine Wednesday morning here on the program,
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as we hink. Yeah it was. I was supposed to
be traveling, but the weather's bad. Hey hey, hey, I
guess I was supposed to. That was a sunder the
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assumption you were out today. Yeah. I was supposed to
be on my way to Delaware shots out to the
Blue Hens. But you know the weather, Yeah, the weather
is well. You know I have a sun Yeah, well
I have two of them. Actually, where do you fly
into for that? Uh airport? Don't you? Is that what
it's called? Thank you? Flying to Newark and you connect
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or you drive down or yeah, you drive in you
driving from Newark? I believe it's Newark you drop you
were flying. We're supposed to fly into but yeah, we
didn't make it out because of the weather being what
it is right now and here, so I'm here. What
there's bad in l A. It won't stop raining. It
literally will not stop raining a second. So l A
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X or whatever airport you're flying, it can't take off
because it's raining. It's it's delays, it's it's like a
lot of stuff going on here. It's like, uh, it's like,
what what's it called? A bomb? A bomb, herb by
bomb cyclone? There you go, Yeah, yeah, tis the season.
So here, I am that that's about right for I've
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literally back this past year and there's a hurricane pushing through.
There are still plays taking off. Yeah, I was looking like,
is there supposed to be a storm passing bottom? I'm
pretty sure that's a plane taking it's it's Florida. We're
all full. I jump on the wing. We're fine, we'll
go right to the different I guess what do you
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think that is, Brady? I don't know. It's just an observation.
You probably would never be able to fly if it
was based off of tropical I was just gonna say
it's a tropical environment. It's always raining. Yes, you just
got to have to adapt and learn how to fly
the drive the right if you will. Yeah, but I'm here, Yeah,
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and it's better. I looked at Jonas, and Jonas was joking,
and I was like, I really don't need to be here,
and I kind of forgot. I'm really gonna do that,
really gonna do this. I'm already here. I'm sitting in
the sea. It's not even It's not even like I
was at home on on the comrade, because I would
have been like you guys, got it, you know, makes it.
It's always better when you're in studio. Man, here you
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I'm here. It's always better when queues and studio too.
But you know, next week, nice down, I'm not here
next week? Are you sure? Yes? In Chicago? Real? Yeah? Sorry,
come on, man's Chicago. It's horrible though, Why the one
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week you're coming in that I'm not here. It's no good.
Maybe I have to cancel. Yeah, who knows, We'll see
what happens um now and BLUs. You know, the all
the full entertainment is here. Berto is in in Burno
for him, He's got everything dialed up for you. I
mean This is like Michael Douglasmith if you watch today,
Oh something's coming up. There was something pretty good. The
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dude was really going forward, but it was a hologram
and he ended up dying, you know, going after it,
you know, went right through it. I mean he thought
he was going get to it, but he went through
it then fail. Yeah, you know, I'm a berto and
les some ribs, know I got. I got a bag
of ribs and refrigerator and you could grab some of
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them too if you want. I grabbed quite a few.
Pretty good that he can grab some bird. Well, I
know you don't eat meat, you don't eat at all.
Well that's not I mean that's not I didn't. I
just I don't eat in this window. But I mean
I could definitely take some home, you know, if there
was some year, Jonas, don't be afraid to be a
different person. That is true. I just don'tly eating this
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early and especially on the air. But I could take
it home. But since it wasn't offered to me, refused
to take it home. And in fact, I'll never like
you took that. I'm made home, Jonas, just like that,
just like that, it wasn't offer everybody, a whole bunch
of them in there for everybody, right, Okay, I would
take home. I wasn't offered anybody. Jonas will give, but
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Jonas will not take. That's that's what I've noticed about Jonas.
You know, that's a fair point. That's the most accurate
thing you've ever said. I mean, I've wanted you to
be a taker for so long and you've not. You know,
leave it alone, Brady, you have not cooperated with taking.
Just a giver, and I appreciate you giving to me,
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you know what I mean, I really do. Hey say,
you see, I think a lot of people just did too. Well.
Don't get in our don't get in our business like that.
There's a reason why we give you guys a great radio.
You know that is true? Oh man, it is. We're
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off and runny. We are right, Yeah, we are all right.
So we we do need to obviously discuss the the
serious situation in the NFL and the latest on Damar
Hamlin of the Buffalo Bills, who was still in last
report said in critical condition in the hospital in Cincinnati.
His uncle spoke with NFL Network yesterday just about his
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status and where he's at and uh, let's take a
listen to his uncle yesterday on NFL network, they had
the resuscitating twice. They were suscitating on the field before
they brought him the hospital, and then they were suscitated
on the second time when he got to the hospital. So, UM,
I just want to show my gratitude for the medical
staff that we're on hand. Because of not for them,
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my nephew probably won't even be here. So that was
Dorian Glenn, the uncle of Damar Hamlin, who was speaking
with CNN. UH. There was also an interview he did
with NFL Network in which he talked about him needing
to be on hunter percent ventilation. Uh. It's now been
lowered to fifty percent as of last check last night,
so that is progress. But then you also hear the
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second resuscitation, and it just confirms the seriousness of the
situation and how dire things actually were on the field
in the middle of a football game, trying to save
this guy's life. It's crazy, man, the whole thing. Can
I ask you guys this question, and and you know,
whoever wants to take it can take it. Is this
a safety issue or was this a healthy to you?
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That's what I'm I just I'm trying to figure out
how how this was a a safety issue. Well, I
don't know that we can answer that right now. I mean,
in all honesty, I think the safety issue comes from
the manner of the hit and what we can do
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to prevent that in the future. I was talking with
a buddy yesterday who played la crosse, and he said,
we actually had if indeed what caused the you know
it's hard to stop, was the blunt force of Tee
Higgins hitting him in the chest, If that was what
caused it, he said, you know, we had a similar
issue planning lacrosse. We had a defender at Cornell who
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took at cross ball to the chest, and he said,
unfortunately in the game the they didn't have the paddles
to break out and be able to shock him back.
He was like, I need to bake him. And so
he kind of said, he's like I've you know, he's like,
it's it's a tragic deal, and he's like, you don't
really think about it, and you know, you know, people
were trying to provide CPR, but they weren't able to
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do it. So, I mean, the first thing I just
say is from the health standpoint or the safety standpoint
of the twenty some thirty some medical staff that are there. Again,
God bless them and thank you for for being able
to in that moment like I've never seen in my lifetime.
I don't know if you guys had ever seen in
your lifetime on a sporting event, But they practice all
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the time for that, you know. It's like in football,
we practice all the time for these different situations, but
they play themselves out sometimes, so you actually were like, yeah,
we've done this before, let's go out and do it.
Let's execute. I've never witnessed anyone having to be gone
out there and resuscitated on the field. And so the
fact that like that occurred that as swiftly as they
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operate and everything went fine, you know, it still was
incredible to see just all the medical staff was aboul
to help them. But I think it's it's a safety issue.
It's a health issue. We don't really know, and until
we find out what exactly caused it, how to probably
answer that, To be honest, at least in my opinion,
I don't know if we can provide better padding and
that helps, you know, I'm not sure if there's something else,
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um that that's there to be able to help prevent
this for the future. But from I guess a safety standpoint,
you know, credit the medical staff though for being able
to go in there and and do exactly what they
were trained to do, even though it very rarely ever
comes up in real life. Well you think, I just
think that we've got to wait, and I know that's
not the popular thing to do, especially in this day
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and age where everybody wants to run with stuff. I mean,
there's been all sorts of speculation about you know, everything
from vaccines to other things that have been thrown out there,
and just that's that's the era that we're in. We
just gotta weight on this stuff because it's not like
it hasn't happened before where somebody and Brady just brought
up an example of taking a direct shot to the
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chest and then all of a sudden having complications. I mean,
it's it's happened in other instances. To even go the
direction of well, you know, what what was in his body,
what was also going on, I think that's gonna be
stuff that will come out. I think the utmost importance
is that, you know, get him back to health. Um,
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the prognosis seems more optimistic the more you hear some
of these reports. But it just when you hear, when
you hear the double resuscitation, that's the part that is.
It's it's upsetting to hear that, you know, for me,
it's upsetting to hear that they got a saving. You
know that because basically all intens of purposes, he's gone
yeah twice to start resuscitation. So you know, the reason
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why I asked the question was because I'm I watched that,
I watched the play quite a bit, I'd studied the play,
I watched the play again. I gotta I gotta double
down on saying it wasn't that valid of a hit,
And I could I could pick out you could probably
could pick out more hits for um from the games
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that took place leading up to that one that were
more valid hits. And and so I started asking myself
because here's here's the thing. Right now, you start hearing
about all of the reasoning of of the chest and
all those different things. You know, I teach to tackle
with your chest like you take your eyes up and
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through the shoulder up and through the contact point, and
you absorb the contact with your chest. That's how I've
always and I I mean I'm I was an authority
on on tackling like I've I've done it with experts.
We we you know, professionals and and medical in terms of,
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you know, the idea and the thought process behind absorbing contact.
Do you want to absorb contact through your head and
through your neck or do you want to absorb the
contact through one of the you know, largest masses on
your body, which is your mid section. And it's interesting
because the very place that you're I teach it like
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I don't. I don't want to say others teach it.
I I own this is to make contact with your
chest like you you slide, you slide your your head
off of like your your head slides through the contact
point and you're really taking the contact, the brun of
the blow into your chest like that's that. That was routine.
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That's a routine tackle. So it's it's kind of like
for me, how do we how do we broach the
conversation of if this causes panic? In terms of how
the contact of the sport, what it represents in what
it is. I think we're now getting into an area
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of of conversation where if, if, if this turns into
that type of I don't say knee jerk reaction. I
mean this is a once, I don't know how long,
Like how many times can we say, like Brady just said,
I've only seen this one time? Are and I just
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have to be a voice that says it because it's
it's a conversation. People may be afraid to have to
say it because of where we're at and it's so close,
but I'm gonna say it, Like, how do we broach
the conversation of how football is played? If based off
of this latest situation that's taking place with with Hamlin,
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how do you approach the safety of of the game,
Because if you take the chest out of it, where
do you make the tackle? How do you make the tackle?
How do you how do you make the contact? Now
if it is the padding, I mean, how much padding
can you get, you know, to to keep you from
not now damaging your heart? Like now that's new information
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to me. Okay, if you use your chests you could
actually damage your heart, Like that's now new to me.
Like when people say, oh, I didn't know about what
concussions could do to you. If you've said to me, well,
what does make in contact with your midsection do in
terms of your health moving forward? I would sit there
and tell you I have the slightest idea of what
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type of impact making making a tackle with your chest
what that does to your health, whether it be short
term or whether it be long term. And so, now,
what does this conversation become for for safety, for rules,
for how you hit, for how you do things. What
does this conversation become what does football become? Ultimately? At
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what point does football become a different sport than what
we've we've known it to be. And I think that
when something is as serious as this and nature takes place,
it's going to force the conversation. I just know people
are going to be very, very very you know, careful
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and how this conversation ensues. And I think that's out
of respect for the young man that that has has
been injured and is now in fighting for his life.
But it's going to be a conversation. It's going to
have to become a conversation. It's two pros and a
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Com code to pros. Alright, so I feel like we've
been here before. Are Jim Harbaugh and the rumors back
to the NFL are starting to swirl, starting to stir
back up? It was imagine that Bruce Feldman, he had
a report that came out a couple of days ago,
and it talked about if Harbaugh got an offer he liked,
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he would absolutely be open to leaving Michigan to go
back to the NFL. This is after whatever that fiasco
was it took place in Minnesota last year where he
showed up thinking it was an interview, and you know,
do Famento was like, we're just talking, dude, like it's
not and then all of a sudden he went back
and he signed his contract, etcetera, etcetera. We talked about
the Jim Ursay stuff and Jim Ursay being interested in Brady.
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You had heard the rumblings about that, and then this
report came out that apparently, according to the Queen City News,
Jim Harbon David Tepper, the owner of the Carolina Panthers,
they had a conversation about the Panthers head coaching job.
But it quote unquote wasn't considered an interview or anything.
They were just having a conversation. So there's that the
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latest on Jim Harbaugh wanted to go back to the NFL.
So here we go again. What nineteen and one something
like that Ted Helliver run in the NFL. But the
night he uh, he was a heck of a head coach.
He's he's been a heck of a head coach, you know,
even like people tend to forget. But before he started
having success versus Ohio State, and I know Michigan fans
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are disappointed about the loss in the semifinal game. That's
two years in a row now, but they're part of
the dance and they're still building this thing. And you
have to go back and look at where Michigan was
before he got there. I mean, they were a team
that was averaging six wins a year. Now there there
were a team that's averaged over the course of his
time there night at half ten wins. And that's huge
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improvement when you're constantly competing for New Year's Six Bowls,
a chance the Big Ten, a chance at the College
fall playoff from where they were um And so anyone
who's doubting like his ability as a head coach is
dead wrong. He's a great head coach. Quirky in some ways, right,
he's had got a unique style, but he develops guys.
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He's able to maximize, you know, players abilities and talents.
It feels like when it within his system plays those stranks.
And he'd be a great fit probably for for most
of these teams looking to build back up their franchise.
I just I wonder, you know, last year the Minnesota Vikings,
which from the outside, I think anyone would have told
you that was a great situation. You had arguably the
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most consistent quarterback in the NFL and Kirk Cousins and
say what you want about which way I'm talking, but
I talked about him in a more positive light. I
think he went for the ninth straight season, He's thrown
for over what yards and however many touchdowns, all this stuff.
No one else in the NFL has done that. So
that was a great scenario. Kevin o'connoll end up being
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the select, the selection there, and you know, he goes
back to Michigan. It does the same thing we did
the year before, but I think even to a bigger
magnitude because he went into Columbus to beat Ohio State.
But you look at Carolina, look at Denver, you look
at Indie. Those three franchises have to be giving Jim
Harbaugh a good long look at whether or not he
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should be the next head coach. And I think, outside
of money, which is a motivating factor for everyone, and
maybe just being tired of dealing with the transfer portal
and n I L and all this crap that's going
on in college football, maybe there's a part of him
too that remembers how his NFL career kind of I
want to say it came to a close, but one
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of the biggest losses in his career and the super
both versus brother. You know, maybe he wants a little
a little payback against his brother. He has had success
at every level. One a few coaches that has been
able to do it at both levels. He's got Michigan
in a place where they are a perennial power like
they once were before and are on the right path
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to possibly, you know, getting a national national championship. I
find it interesting in terms of one, how how many
times or how many seasons if this isn't the one,
how many times does it become a conversation Because we
were just talking about Sean Payton creating a market. This
is creating a market as well. This is this is classic.
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I'm creating a market for for the possibilities when does
this run? When does this run? When does this well run? Dry?
For for horrorball with with Michigan, Like that's one that like,
that's one thought that I have is at some point
you don't want to feel like this person is is
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on their way out. I just don't want to feel
that way. And for a lot of different reasons. It's
it's hard enough to keep kids coming to the school,
to improve the school that you love, especially on that level,
and it's now hard to keep them there. So now
there's the added challenge of not only getting them there,
but keeping them there. Then I go to the other
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side of it, and I start thinking to myself, Okay,
the one team that makes the most sense out of
all of them is the Indianapolis Colts. Why because after
doing what what Jim Murcay did, and I believe if
you listen to the sound bites that he gives when
he offers his explanations of reasoning behind bringing in Jeff Saturday,
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he he wants to be validated by I know what
I'm doing. I've been doing this. What do you say
for fifty years? I think he said he's been doing
he's been an owner for fifty years. And the sausage.
I don't know how they make the sausage, but I
know how to to build football teams. He wants to
validate that he knows what he's doing. In a lot
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of ways, he's he's comparable to like how it Jerry
Jones is. We know who he is. There's a brand
there that's connected to who Jim Murcy. Is he clearly
cares because he's I mean, he's if you've seen him,
he's he's muscular, you know, he he he lives and
and you know stuff, you know and stuff and and
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and I don't know, I just think he lives. Not
not not Jim Harball, Jim Jim Mercy, you think you
think is on the gas. I mean, I'm just saying
he looks good for his age, like the muscles look strong. Anyway,
The point is, I think that there would be a
whole lot of justification, UM surrounding him bringing in a
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player that has been he's a he's a legend for
for the franchise. And yeah, I got distracted by what
Birdo has on television, and it's really it's a really
interesting distraction. UM. But I think that Hardball would be
a a a definitive response to what would be perceived
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to be UM A missed a failed opportunity or or
a failed decision on Ursay's part to bring in Saturday.
Why would Jim Harbaugh I want to go to Carolina
over staying at Michigan. That seems like a disaster spot.
And it's also a place where the organization and the
owner just promised the head coach we recruited from college
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as a successful college coach, We're going to give you
enough time to be the guy here, only to find
out when they strike out multiple times on retread quarterbacks
that he's going to be the fall guy and get
fired in season. If I was Jim Marbah, the last
thing I want is the Carolina job like that, I
I don't. I don't see that as an attractive job
at all for him. Like I'd rather go to Denver
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than Carolina because at least you know they got a quarterback.
Now what the hell he's going to be moving forward,
That remains to be seen, but at least you know
what you've got there in Denver with Russell Wilson, and
you've seen some success. I want no part of that
Carolina job me personally, But well, I think the hard
thing is is if you're a college head coach. And
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I don't know how Jim Harball is viewed if he's
college NFL I mean, Matt Rule. I think you know,
obviously it was viewed more college because he never really
coaches a head coach in the NFL, but he did
have had, you know, coaching experience, in the NFL. You know,
Hardball now has has been a Michigan for a while.
And uh, even though he's had a stint in in
the NFL, he also was in college football for a
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long period of time before that, Stanford and what San Diego. Um.
So I'm not sure how he's viewed by Temper, but regardless,
you know, Temper set there and said until Matt Rulio,
what a four year plan, five year plan? Even going
into year two, it's like he's already in the hot seat.
So if you're Jim Harball, like as as enticing as
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maybe the roster is, because you do have a good defense,
You've got a great rushing attack, there's some building blocks
on the offensive line and a wide receiver and maybe
you feel like you just need to go find a quarterback.
Maybe he likes you can maximize Sam Donald. I don't know.
I just think that the temper point you bring up
is the most important because he can't look at that
and go, yeah, I'm not gonna walk into this. I
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have this kind do the same thing to me that
he did to Matt Rule, Like he's already showing his hand.
You know, Denver has been such a successful organization. Uh,
during the period of time that the Bull and family
owned it. I have a sense and a feeling that
the new ownership group will have success as well. And
it's probably looking at, you know, Russell Wilson's skill set,
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whether he can be the guy or not. I also
think there's a degree of if anyone could, you know,
take a guy like that and and dethrone him, it
would be Jim Harbaugh. He he did that with the
first round pick and Alex Smith, and he brought in
Colin Kaepernick and then you saw that takeoff for a
period of time. So I just you kind of look
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at the history of what he's done and how he's
done it. Uh, he would make a lot of sense
and Denver, But I think to answer that question that like,
you know, what do you do if you're Michigan and
Jim Harbaugh. There has to be a final straw and
and this is it. You give your best and final offer.
You give him a contract because remember he before that
last season, they made him, you know, put money back,
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like they're like no, no, no no, no, we you haven't
been doing as well. We need to take a bit
of a pay cut. And then through COVID and everything else.
And then after last year was like okay, but he
started flooring with some other NFL teams. Now it's you
pay him a huge number to be there forever, and
there's a huge he has a huge buyout. If he
wants to leave to go to the NFL's he has
to give you a bunch of money back. But but
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that's really how you structure it. And that's how you
create a contract to say you're not leaving Michigan this time.
I mean, that's how I look at it from Michigan's perspective,
because whether it's the recruits or anyone else who's involved,
they've got to be thinking in the back of their
minds like this happens every year. At some point, it
just gets tiring, and let's let's just go ahead and
throw a big old deal that will keep him from
(28:54):
ever looking elsewhere to go to the NFL. And if
he wants to, we're not gonna be you know, hung
out the you know, there'll be a big penalty he
has to face in order to get out of his
contract with us. And I think Harvas said something last
year or that, no, this is where I'm gonna stay,
you know, I listen. I I didn't entertain the idea
of going back to the NFL, but that's not happening.
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This is where I'm at, And then we're less than
a year later, here we are again. It's like, that's
why I just wonder if this is more for him
trying to get that best in final offer from Michigan
UM as opposed to what he's been been working on. Again,
you're leveraging creating a market. Some people know how to
do it, some people don't, and Sean Payton is clearly
one of those who knows how to do it. Jim
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Harball is one of those guys that clearly knows how
to do it, and and and what better time to
do it if you're Jim Harball than to continuously do
it after a successful season. We can say the letdown
and the meltdown against TCU or what however you want
to label what that was that they put on film
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to be it's still the game before the National Championship.
And also what he did to Ohio State in Columbus.
Way to go out, But what was the number on
that Brady? How how long had it been since Michigan
one in Columbus was like, like, who was the last
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coach to do it? I think it was twenty years
Jesus had to have been Lloyd Carr, right, yeah, and
uh and Jim Harbo got it done. That's the last time, right, Yeah,
It's been a long as time. So so this is
definitely the way if it was going to go down
for Jim Harbor to leave Michigan, this would be probably
the best time. It is Two Pros and a Cup
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case you missed this last week, there was some controversy
per usual during our Picks against the Spread recap of
week sixteen. Now, just to give you a little bit
of a recapp here what we had to say about
(32:54):
the Lions at Panthers in Week sixteen. Lions at Panthers,
Brady and LaVar Again, you guys, the pros correctly predicted
that the Panthers would would get this one done. That
as correct. Brady are getting a lot here so far.
And on a second lead, didn't I have the Panthers?
I have it here that you had Detroit. Okay, I'm
(33:16):
almost I'm almost positive I had the Panthers. Okay, I mean,
I'll be honest with you. I thought you had Detroit.
But go ahead, Okay, Well, we could go back in
fact check that one can definitely do that. Well, what
do we got late, Well, I did have to go
back into the archives, and this is what this is
what we found. Interesting one here Fellas Lions, three point
(33:40):
favorites on the road at Carolina, Brady, what do you got.
I'm gonna take the home dog here Pather's defense, keep
them this one. What do you think of LaVar? I
think Detroit's gonna I'm going with Detroit. I'll take Carolina.
We got one more lead. Do you know what I
love about this? This is what I love about this.
Love you want so much? He made the lead. Go
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back and listen to archive all go back and listen
to it. Cut that up just to present it. And
he still was a loser last week. You say, with
the name Jonas knocks and you got a deal with
the repercussion, you didn't win last week. What's even more
disturbing is that Lee did it. That's what sad. That's
(34:27):
how you know that they're We're up against it, buddy,
it's just you and mean, it's just your ever. We're
up against it, ba. I mean, if it all goes
down and this thing gets blown up, I can guarantee
the two roaches that are going to make it want
to beat Jonas and Lee That's what I do know.
By the way, we did see Lee and this is
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no joke speaking of roaches kill a roach that was
walking on one of the desks here last week. It
was a baby though. He killed a bat. Remember the
mean he happitated a bat. Yeah, he didn't just kill it,
he destroyed it. Yeah. And that bat was getting it
in too, like he he was like he was floating,
like he was moving like Dion from like the forty
(35:11):
yard line probably happy started feeling comfortable. I was feeling comfortable,
and then lead the capitated. Yeah, just completely destroyed it.
But I mean I wanted to look at the bat
like like like is it okay? Like okay, it's did
but like you want to look at it. I couldn't
even like examine it. I mean, he destroyed him. Yeah,
it looks like that guy at by the urinal on
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Full Metal Jacket. But the point is Lee, like Lee
had my back on this, and I'm appreciative, okay, because
I was doubted and disrespected on the air because usually
you had his back. He does I'm going back. I'm
going and read. By the way, leave did that make
(35:57):
any difference whatsoever? And who won last week? Well, and
last week we're just still gonna tease ahead too. We
didn't make any difference, though it did change it up
a little bit because LaVar dropped one and Jonas gained one.
So you guys were tied being the pros Brady and LaVar.
You guys were touching for last week's picks. Thoughly you're
missing the point. I know, not changed the outcome of
(36:17):
last week's Now, this was two weeks ago. None of
that matters, and you know we're just focused on that
one game at a time here on this show. That's right,
So we process things, guys, In case you missed this
in a recent guy Just Petty. In a recent interview,
Lamar Odom claims that the owner of the brow to
where he almost died was actually trying to kill him,
(36:41):
denies ever doing any drugs that night. Yeah, okay, I'm out.
I'm about okay. I'm definitely not touching that one, if
you get what I mean. So yeah, So, so basically,
he didn't do anything wrong. I mean that that's not true.
(37:03):
I mean, I'm not I don't think he's saying he's not.
He didn't do anything wrong. He just the things that
you would normally do out of brothel. He wasn't doing that,
that's what he's saying, because he was there to observe
what a brothel is. He got lost to say what
else can you do at a brothel? Besides what people
go to? You just observe what? What the brothel like? What?
(37:26):
What was he what was he using? Like his ways?
App I thought he was going to like a chevron
and pulled in and was like, well some time here,
you know, why don't I just go ahead and take
a look at what's around me? You know? And that
must have been some fire company. They tried to kill me.
I mean that could be considered to be a compliment
in some circles. I just, man, by the way, what's
(37:52):
the name of this brothel? Is it? What do they
call love ranch? But some investigation, a little bit free
marketing advertisement? You know? Have you've been watching the Chippendales deal,
which everybody judges me when I say that, But I've
been watching the Chippendale's documentary or Docusent or whatever. Huh?
What how many years? What you mean? I don't know
(38:14):
what you mean? Anyways, I'm done. I'm done. Why is
your hand in your front pocket? He's got some loose
changes there, right, the guy about the backstory, it's not
about them, it's not about all right. So for those
who don't know Chippendales as male dancers, of course, but
I'm looking at it for the simple fact of the
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it is a a fine Wednesday morning here on the program,
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as we hink. Yeah it was. I was supposed to
be traveling, but the weather's bad. Hey hey, hey, I
guess I was supposed to. That was a sunder the
(01:45):
assumption you were out today. Yeah. I was supposed to
be on my way to Delaware shots out to the
Blue Hens. But you know the weather, Yeah, the weather
is well. You know I have a sun Yeah, well
I have two of them. Actually, where do you fly
into for that? Uh airport? Don't you? Is that what
it's called? Thank you? Flying to Newark and you connect
(02:09):
or you drive down or yeah, you drive in you
driving from Newark? I believe it's Newark you drop you
were flying. We're supposed to fly into but yeah, we
didn't make it out because of the weather being what
it is right now and here, so I'm here. What
there's bad in l A. It won't stop raining. It
literally will not stop raining a second. So l A
(02:32):
X or whatever airport you're flying, it can't take off
because it's raining. It's it's delays, it's it's like a
lot of stuff going on here. It's like, uh, it's like,
what what's it called? A bomb? A bomb, herb by
bomb cyclone? There you go, Yeah, yeah, tis the season.
So here, I am that that's about right for I've
(02:56):
literally back this past year and there's a hurricane pushing through.
There are still plays taking off. Yeah, I was looking like,
is there supposed to be a storm passing bottom? I'm
pretty sure that's a plane taking it's it's Florida. We're
all full. I jump on the wing. We're fine, we'll
go right to the different I guess what do you
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think that is, Brady? I don't know. It's just an observation.
You probably would never be able to fly if it
was based off of tropical I was just gonna say
it's a tropical environment. It's always raining. Yes, you just
got to have to adapt and learn how to fly
the drive the right if you will. Yeah, but I'm here, Yeah,
(03:38):
and it's better. I looked at Jonas, and Jonas was joking,
and I was like, I really don't need to be here,
and I kind of forgot. I'm really gonna do that,
really gonna do this. I'm already here. I'm sitting in
the sea. It's not even It's not even like I
was at home on on the comrade, because I would
have been like you guys, got it, you know, makes it.
It's always better when you're in studio. Man, here you
(04:00):
I'm here. It's always better when queues and studio too.
But you know, next week, nice down, I'm not here
next week? Are you sure? Yes? In Chicago? Real? Yeah? Sorry,
come on, man's Chicago. It's horrible though, Why the one
(04:22):
week you're coming in that I'm not here. It's no good.
Maybe I have to cancel. Yeah, who knows, We'll see
what happens um now and BLUs. You know, the all
the full entertainment is here. Berto is in in Burno
for him, He's got everything dialed up for you. I
mean This is like Michael Douglasmith if you watch today,
Oh something's coming up. There was something pretty good. The
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dude was really going forward, but it was a hologram
and he ended up dying, you know, going after it,
you know, went right through it. I mean he thought
he was going get to it, but he went through
it then fail. Yeah, you know, I'm a berto and
les some ribs, know I got. I got a bag
of ribs and refrigerator and you could grab some of
(05:05):
them too if you want. I grabbed quite a few.
Pretty good that he can grab some bird. Well, I
know you don't eat meat, you don't eat at all.
Well that's not I mean that's not I didn't. I
just I don't eat in this window. But I mean
I could definitely take some home, you know, if there
was some year, Jonas, don't be afraid to be a
different person. That is true. I just don'tly eating this
(05:27):
early and especially on the air. But I could take
it home. But since it wasn't offered to me, refused
to take it home. And in fact, I'll never like
you took that. I'm made home, Jonas, just like that,
just like that, it wasn't offer everybody, a whole bunch
of them in there for everybody, right, Okay, I would
take home. I wasn't offered anybody. Jonas will give, but
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Jonas will not take. That's that's what I've noticed about Jonas.
You know, that's a fair point. That's the most accurate
thing you've ever said. I mean, I've wanted you to
be a taker for so long and you've not. You know,
leave it alone, Brady, you have not cooperated with taking.
Just a giver, and I appreciate you giving to me,
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you know what I mean, I really do. Hey say,
you see, I think a lot of people just did too. Well.
Don't get in our don't get in our business like that.
There's a reason why we give you guys a great radio.
You know that is true? Oh man, it is. We're
(06:32):
off and runny. We are right, Yeah, we are all right.
So we we do need to obviously discuss the the
serious situation in the NFL and the latest on Damar
Hamlin of the Buffalo Bills, who was still in last
report said in critical condition in the hospital in Cincinnati.
His uncle spoke with NFL Network yesterday just about his
(06:55):
status and where he's at and uh, let's take a
listen to his uncle yesterday on NFL network, they had
the resuscitating twice. They were suscitating on the field before
they brought him the hospital, and then they were suscitated
on the second time when he got to the hospital. So, UM,
I just want to show my gratitude for the medical
staff that we're on hand. Because of not for them,
(07:16):
my nephew probably won't even be here. So that was
Dorian Glenn, the uncle of Damar Hamlin, who was speaking
with CNN. UH. There was also an interview he did
with NFL Network in which he talked about him needing
to be on hunter percent ventilation. Uh. It's now been
lowered to fifty percent as of last check last night,
so that is progress. But then you also hear the
(07:38):
second resuscitation, and it just confirms the seriousness of the
situation and how dire things actually were on the field
in the middle of a football game, trying to save
this guy's life. It's crazy, man, the whole thing. Can
I ask you guys this question, and and you know,
whoever wants to take it can take it. Is this
a safety issue or was this a healthy to you?
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That's what I'm I just I'm trying to figure out
how how this was a a safety issue. Well, I
don't know that we can answer that right now. I mean,
in all honesty, I think the safety issue comes from
the manner of the hit and what we can do
(08:21):
to prevent that in the future. I was talking with
a buddy yesterday who played la crosse, and he said,
we actually had if indeed what caused the you know
it's hard to stop, was the blunt force of Tee
Higgins hitting him in the chest, If that was what
caused it, he said, you know, we had a similar
issue planning lacrosse. We had a defender at Cornell who
(08:44):
took at cross ball to the chest, and he said,
unfortunately in the game the they didn't have the paddles
to break out and be able to shock him back.
He was like, I need to bake him. And so
he kind of said, he's like I've you know, he's like,
it's it's a tragic deal, and he's like, you don't
really think about it, and you know, you know, people
were trying to provide CPR, but they weren't able to
(09:05):
do it. So, I mean, the first thing I just
say is from the health standpoint or the safety standpoint
of the twenty some thirty some medical staff that are there. Again,
God bless them and thank you for for being able
to in that moment like I've never seen in my lifetime.
I don't know if you guys had ever seen in
your lifetime on a sporting event, But they practice all
(09:26):
the time for that, you know. It's like in football,
we practice all the time for these different situations, but
they play themselves out sometimes, so you actually were like, yeah,
we've done this before, let's go out and do it.
Let's execute. I've never witnessed anyone having to be gone
out there and resuscitated on the field. And so the
fact that like that occurred that as swiftly as they
(09:47):
operate and everything went fine, you know, it still was
incredible to see just all the medical staff was aboul
to help them. But I think it's it's a safety issue.
It's a health issue. We don't really know, and until
we find out what exactly caused it, how to probably
answer that, To be honest, at least in my opinion,
I don't know if we can provide better padding and
that helps, you know, I'm not sure if there's something else,
(10:10):
um that that's there to be able to help prevent
this for the future. But from I guess a safety standpoint,
you know, credit the medical staff though for being able
to go in there and and do exactly what they
were trained to do, even though it very rarely ever
comes up in real life. Well you think, I just
think that we've got to wait, and I know that's
not the popular thing to do, especially in this day
(10:33):
and age where everybody wants to run with stuff. I mean,
there's been all sorts of speculation about you know, everything
from vaccines to other things that have been thrown out there,
and just that's that's the era that we're in. We
just gotta weight on this stuff because it's not like
it hasn't happened before where somebody and Brady just brought
up an example of taking a direct shot to the
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chest and then all of a sudden having complications. I mean,
it's it's happened in other instances. To even go the
direction of well, you know, what what was in his body,
what was also going on, I think that's gonna be
stuff that will come out. I think the utmost importance
is that, you know, get him back to health. Um,
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the prognosis seems more optimistic the more you hear some
of these reports. But it just when you hear, when
you hear the double resuscitation, that's the part that is.
It's it's upsetting to hear that, you know, for me,
it's upsetting to hear that they got a saving. You
know that because basically all intens of purposes, he's gone
yeah twice to start resuscitation. So you know, the reason
(11:37):
why I asked the question was because I'm I watched that,
I watched the play quite a bit, I'd studied the play,
I watched the play again. I gotta I gotta double
down on saying it wasn't that valid of a hit,
And I could I could pick out you could probably
could pick out more hits for um from the games
(12:01):
that took place leading up to that one that were
more valid hits. And and so I started asking myself
because here's here's the thing. Right now, you start hearing
about all of the reasoning of of the chest and
all those different things. You know, I teach to tackle
with your chest like you take your eyes up and
(12:21):
through the shoulder up and through the contact point, and
you absorb the contact with your chest. That's how I've
always and I I mean I'm I was an authority
on on tackling like I've I've done it with experts.
We we you know, professionals and and medical in terms of,
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you know, the idea and the thought process behind absorbing contact.
Do you want to absorb contact through your head and
through your neck or do you want to absorb the
contact through one of the you know, largest masses on
your body, which is your mid section. And it's interesting
because the very place that you're I teach it like
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I don't. I don't want to say others teach it.
I I own this is to make contact with your
chest like you you slide, you slide your your head
off of like your your head slides through the contact
point and you're really taking the contact, the brun of
the blow into your chest like that's that. That was routine.
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That's a routine tackle. So it's it's kind of like
for me, how do we how do we broach the
conversation of if this causes panic? In terms of how
the contact of the sport, what it represents in what
it is. I think we're now getting into an area
(13:52):
of of conversation where if, if, if this turns into
that type of I don't say knee jerk reaction. I
mean this is a once, I don't know how long,
Like how many times can we say, like Brady just said,
I've only seen this one time? Are and I just
(14:12):
have to be a voice that says it because it's
it's a conversation. People may be afraid to have to
say it because of where we're at and it's so close,
but I'm gonna say it, Like, how do we broach
the conversation of how football is played? If based off
of this latest situation that's taking place with with Hamlin,
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how do you approach the safety of of the game,
Because if you take the chest out of it, where
do you make the tackle? How do you make the tackle?
How do you how do you make the contact? Now
if it is the padding, I mean, how much padding
can you get, you know, to to keep you from
not now damaging your heart? Like now that's new information
(14:59):
to me. Okay, if you use your chests you could
actually damage your heart, Like that's now new to me.
Like when people say, oh, I didn't know about what
concussions could do to you. If you've said to me, well,
what does make in contact with your midsection do in
terms of your health moving forward? I would sit there
and tell you I have the slightest idea of what
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type of impact making making a tackle with your chest
what that does to your health, whether it be short
term or whether it be long term. And so, now,
what does this conversation become for for safety, for rules,
for how you hit, for how you do things. What
does this conversation become what does football become? Ultimately? At
(15:44):
what point does football become a different sport than what
we've we've known it to be. And I think that
when something is as serious as this and nature takes place,
it's going to force the conversation. I just know people
are going to be very, very very you know, careful
(16:05):
and how this conversation ensues. And I think that's out
of respect for the young man that that has has
been injured and is now in fighting for his life.
But it's going to be a conversation. It's going to
have to become a conversation. It's two pros and a
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(16:51):
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been here before. Are Jim Harbaugh and the rumors back
to the NFL are starting to swirl, starting to stir
back up? It was imagine that Bruce Feldman, he had
a report that came out a couple of days ago,
and it talked about if Harbaugh got an offer he liked,
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he would absolutely be open to leaving Michigan to go
back to the NFL. This is after whatever that fiasco
was it took place in Minnesota last year where he
showed up thinking it was an interview, and you know,
do Famento was like, we're just talking, dude, like it's
not and then all of a sudden he went back
and he signed his contract, etcetera, etcetera. We talked about
the Jim Ursay stuff and Jim Ursay being interested in Brady.
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You had heard the rumblings about that, and then this
report came out that apparently, according to the Queen City News,
Jim Harbon David Tepper, the owner of the Carolina Panthers,
they had a conversation about the Panthers head coaching job.
But it quote unquote wasn't considered an interview or anything.
They were just having a conversation. So there's that the
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latest on Jim Harbaugh wanted to go back to the NFL.
So here we go again. What nineteen and one something
like that Ted Helliver run in the NFL. But the
night he uh, he was a heck of a head coach.
He's he's been a heck of a head coach, you know,
even like people tend to forget. But before he started
having success versus Ohio State, and I know Michigan fans
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are disappointed about the loss in the semifinal game. That's
two years in a row now, but they're part of
the dance and they're still building this thing. And you
have to go back and look at where Michigan was
before he got there. I mean, they were a team
that was averaging six wins a year. Now there there
were a team that's averaged over the course of his
time there night at half ten wins. And that's huge
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improvement when you're constantly competing for New Year's Six Bowls,
a chance the Big Ten, a chance at the College
fall playoff from where they were um And so anyone
who's doubting like his ability as a head coach is
dead wrong. He's a great head coach. Quirky in some ways, right,
he's had got a unique style, but he develops guys.
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He's able to maximize, you know, players abilities and talents.
It feels like when it within his system plays those stranks.
And he'd be a great fit probably for for most
of these teams looking to build back up their franchise.
I just I wonder, you know, last year the Minnesota Vikings,
which from the outside, I think anyone would have told
you that was a great situation. You had arguably the
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most consistent quarterback in the NFL and Kirk Cousins and
say what you want about which way I'm talking, but
I talked about him in a more positive light. I
think he went for the ninth straight season, He's thrown
for over what yards and however many touchdowns, all this stuff.
No one else in the NFL has done that. So
that was a great scenario. Kevin o'connoll end up being
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the select, the selection there, and you know, he goes
back to Michigan. It does the same thing we did
the year before, but I think even to a bigger
magnitude because he went into Columbus to beat Ohio State.
But you look at Carolina, look at Denver, you look
at Indie. Those three franchises have to be giving Jim
Harbaugh a good long look at whether or not he
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should be the next head coach. And I think, outside
of money, which is a motivating factor for everyone, and
maybe just being tired of dealing with the transfer portal
and n I L and all this crap that's going
on in college football, maybe there's a part of him
too that remembers how his NFL career kind of I
want to say it came to a close, but one
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of the biggest losses in his career and the super
both versus brother. You know, maybe he wants a little
a little payback against his brother. He has had success
at every level. One a few coaches that has been
able to do it at both levels. He's got Michigan
in a place where they are a perennial power like
they once were before and are on the right path
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to possibly, you know, getting a national national championship. I
find it interesting in terms of one, how how many
times or how many seasons if this isn't the one,
how many times does it become a conversation Because we
were just talking about Sean Payton creating a market. This
is creating a market as well. This is this is classic.
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I'm creating a market for for the possibilities when does
this run? When does this run? When does this well run? Dry?
For for horrorball with with Michigan, Like that's one that like,
that's one thought that I have is at some point
you don't want to feel like this person is is
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on their way out. I just don't want to feel
that way. And for a lot of different reasons. It's
it's hard enough to keep kids coming to the school,
to improve the school that you love, especially on that level,
and it's now hard to keep them there. So now
there's the added challenge of not only getting them there,
but keeping them there. Then I go to the other
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side of it, and I start thinking to myself, Okay,
the one team that makes the most sense out of
all of them is the Indianapolis Colts. Why because after
doing what what Jim Murcay did, and I believe if
you listen to the sound bites that he gives when
he offers his explanations of reasoning behind bringing in Jeff Saturday,
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he he wants to be validated by I know what
I'm doing. I've been doing this. What do you say
for fifty years? I think he said he's been doing
he's been an owner for fifty years. And the sausage.
I don't know how they make the sausage, but I
know how to to build football teams. He wants to
validate that he knows what he's doing. In a lot
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of ways, he's he's comparable to like how it Jerry
Jones is. We know who he is. There's a brand
there that's connected to who Jim Murcy. Is he clearly
cares because he's I mean, he's if you've seen him,
he's he's muscular, you know, he he he lives and
and you know stuff, you know and stuff and and
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and I don't know, I just think he lives. Not
not not Jim Harball, Jim Jim Mercy, you think you
think is on the gas. I mean, I'm just saying
he looks good for his age, like the muscles look strong. Anyway,
The point is, I think that there would be a
whole lot of justification, UM surrounding him bringing in a
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player that has been he's a he's a legend for
for the franchise. And yeah, I got distracted by what
Birdo has on television, and it's really it's a really
interesting distraction. UM. But I think that Hardball would be
a a a definitive response to what would be perceived
(24:56):
to be UM A missed a failed opportunity or or
a failed decision on Ursay's part to bring in Saturday.
Why would Jim Harbaugh I want to go to Carolina
over staying at Michigan. That seems like a disaster spot.
And it's also a place where the organization and the
owner just promised the head coach we recruited from college
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as a successful college coach, We're going to give you
enough time to be the guy here, only to find
out when they strike out multiple times on retread quarterbacks
that he's going to be the fall guy and get
fired in season. If I was Jim Marbah, the last
thing I want is the Carolina job like that, I
I don't. I don't see that as an attractive job
at all for him. Like I'd rather go to Denver
(25:40):
than Carolina because at least you know they got a quarterback.
Now what the hell he's going to be moving forward,
That remains to be seen, but at least you know
what you've got there in Denver with Russell Wilson, and
you've seen some success. I want no part of that
Carolina job me personally, But well, I think the hard
thing is is if you're a college head coach. And
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I don't know how Jim Harball is viewed if he's
college NFL I mean, Matt Rule. I think you know,
obviously it was viewed more college because he never really
coaches a head coach in the NFL, but he did
have had, you know, coaching experience, in the NFL. You know,
Hardball now has has been a Michigan for a while.
And uh, even though he's had a stint in in
the NFL, he also was in college football for a
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long period of time before that, Stanford and what San Diego. Um.
So I'm not sure how he's viewed by Temper, but regardless,
you know, Temper set there and said until Matt Rulio,
what a four year plan, five year plan? Even going
into year two, it's like he's already in the hot seat.
So if you're Jim Harball, like as as enticing as
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maybe the roster is, because you do have a good defense,
You've got a great rushing attack, there's some building blocks
on the offensive line and a wide receiver and maybe
you feel like you just need to go find a quarterback.
Maybe he likes you can maximize Sam Donald. I don't know.
I just think that the temper point you bring up
is the most important because he can't look at that
and go, yeah, I'm not gonna walk into this. I
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have this kind do the same thing to me that
he did to Matt Rule, Like he's already showing his hand.
You know, Denver has been such a successful organization. Uh,
during the period of time that the Bull and family
owned it. I have a sense and a feeling that
the new ownership group will have success as well. And
it's probably looking at, you know, Russell Wilson's skill set,
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whether he can be the guy or not. I also
think there's a degree of if anyone could, you know,
take a guy like that and and dethrone him, it
would be Jim Harbaugh. He he did that with the
first round pick and Alex Smith, and he brought in
Colin Kaepernick and then you saw that takeoff for a
period of time. So I just you kind of look
(27:46):
at the history of what he's done and how he's
done it. Uh, he would make a lot of sense
and Denver, But I think to answer that question that like,
you know, what do you do if you're Michigan and
Jim Harbaugh. There has to be a final straw and
and this is it. You give your best and final offer.
You give him a contract because remember he before that
last season, they made him, you know, put money back,
(28:08):
like they're like no, no, no no, no, we you haven't
been doing as well. We need to take a bit
of a pay cut. And then through COVID and everything else.
And then after last year was like okay, but he
started flooring with some other NFL teams. Now it's you
pay him a huge number to be there forever, and
there's a huge he has a huge buyout. If he
wants to leave to go to the NFL's he has
to give you a bunch of money back. But but
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that's really how you structure it. And that's how you
create a contract to say you're not leaving Michigan this time.
I mean, that's how I look at it from Michigan's perspective,
because whether it's the recruits or anyone else who's involved,
they've got to be thinking in the back of their
minds like this happens every year. At some point, it
just gets tiring, and let's let's just go ahead and
throw a big old deal that will keep him from
(28:54):
ever looking elsewhere to go to the NFL. And if
he wants to, we're not gonna be you know, hung
out the you know, there'll be a big penalty he
has to face in order to get out of his
contract with us. And I think Harvas said something last
year or that, no, this is where I'm gonna stay,
you know, I listen. I I didn't entertain the idea
of going back to the NFL, but that's not happening.
(29:14):
This is where I'm at, And then we're less than
a year later, here we are again. It's like, that's
why I just wonder if this is more for him
trying to get that best in final offer from Michigan
UM as opposed to what he's been been working on. Again,
you're leveraging creating a market. Some people know how to
do it, some people don't, and Sean Payton is clearly
one of those who knows how to do it. Jim
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Harball is one of those guys that clearly knows how
to do it, and and and what better time to
do it if you're Jim Harball than to continuously do
it after a successful season. We can say the letdown
and the meltdown against TCU or what however you want
to label what that was that they put on film
(30:00):
to be it's still the game before the National Championship.
And also what he did to Ohio State in Columbus.
Way to go out, But what was the number on
that Brady? How how long had it been since Michigan
one in Columbus was like, like, who was the last
(30:22):
coach to do it? I think it was twenty years
Jesus had to have been Lloyd Carr, right, yeah, and
uh and Jim Harbo got it done. That's the last time, right, Yeah,
It's been a long as time. So so this is
definitely the way if it was going to go down
for Jim Harbor to leave Michigan, this would be probably
the best time. It is Two Pros and a Cup
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case you missed this last week, there was some controversy
per usual during our Picks against the Spread recap of
week sixteen. Now, just to give you a little bit
of a recapp here what we had to say about
(32:54):
the Lions at Panthers in Week sixteen. Lions at Panthers,
Brady and LaVar Again, you guys, the pros correctly predicted
that the Panthers would would get this one done. That
as correct. Brady are getting a lot here so far.
And on a second lead, didn't I have the Panthers?
I have it here that you had Detroit. Okay, I'm
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almost I'm almost positive I had the Panthers. Okay, I mean,
I'll be honest with you. I thought you had Detroit.
But go ahead, Okay, Well, we could go back in
fact check that one can definitely do that. Well, what
do we got late, Well, I did have to go
back into the archives, and this is what this is
what we found. Interesting one here Fellas Lions, three point
(33:40):
favorites on the road at Carolina, Brady, what do you got.
I'm gonna take the home dog here Pather's defense, keep
them this one. What do you think of LaVar? I
think Detroit's gonna I'm going with Detroit. I'll take Carolina.
We got one more lead. Do you know what I
love about this? This is what I love about this.
Love you want so much? He made the lead. Go
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back and listen to archive all go back and listen
to it. Cut that up just to present it. And
he still was a loser last week. You say, with
the name Jonas knocks and you got a deal with
the repercussion, you didn't win last week. What's even more
disturbing is that Lee did it. That's what sad. That's
(34:27):
how you know that they're We're up against it, buddy,
it's just you and mean, it's just your ever. We're
up against it, ba. I mean, if it all goes
down and this thing gets blown up, I can guarantee
the two roaches that are going to make it want
to beat Jonas and Lee That's what I do know.
By the way, we did see Lee and this is
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no joke speaking of roaches kill a roach that was
walking on one of the desks here last week. It
was a baby though. He killed a bat. Remember the
mean he happitated a bat. Yeah, he didn't just kill it,
he destroyed it. Yeah. And that bat was getting it
in too, like he he was like he was floating,
like he was moving like Dion from like the forty
(35:11):
yard line probably happy started feeling comfortable. I was feeling comfortable,
and then lead the capitated. Yeah, just completely destroyed it.
But I mean I wanted to look at the bat
like like like is it okay? Like okay, it's did
but like you want to look at it. I couldn't
even like examine it. I mean, he destroyed him. Yeah,
it looks like that guy at by the urinal on
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Full Metal Jacket. But the point is Lee, like Lee
had my back on this, and I'm appreciative, okay, because
I was doubted and disrespected on the air because usually
you had his back. He does I'm going back. I'm
going and read. By the way, leave did that make
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any difference whatsoever? And who won last week? Well, and
last week we're just still gonna tease ahead too. We
didn't make any difference, though it did change it up
a little bit because LaVar dropped one and Jonas gained one.
So you guys were tied being the pros Brady and LaVar.
You guys were touching for last week's picks. Thoughly you're
missing the point. I know, not changed the outcome of
(36:17):
last week's Now, this was two weeks ago. None of
that matters, and you know we're just focused on that
one game at a time here on this show. That's right,
So we process things, guys, In case you missed this
in a recent guy Just Petty. In a recent interview,
Lamar Odom claims that the owner of the brow to
where he almost died was actually trying to kill him,
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denies ever doing any drugs that night. Yeah, okay, I'm out.
I'm about okay. I'm definitely not touching that one, if
you get what I mean. So yeah, So, so basically,
he didn't do anything wrong. I mean that that's not true.
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I mean, I'm not I don't think he's saying he's not.
He didn't do anything wrong. He just the things that
you would normally do out of brothel. He wasn't doing that,
that's what he's saying, because he was there to observe
what a brothel is. He got lost to say what
else can you do at a brothel? Besides what people
go to? You just observe what? What the brothel like? What?
(37:26):
What was he what was he using? Like his ways?
App I thought he was going to like a chevron
and pulled in and was like, well some time here,
you know, why don't I just go ahead and take
a look at what's around me? You know? And that
must have been some fire company. They tried to kill me.
I mean that could be considered to be a compliment
in some circles. I just, man, by the way, what's
(37:52):
the name of this brothel? Is it? What do they
call love ranch? But some investigation, a little bit free
marketing advertisement? You know? Have you've been watching the Chippendales deal,
which everybody judges me when I say that, But I've
been watching the Chippendale's documentary or Docusent or whatever. Huh?
What how many years? What you mean? I don't know
(38:14):
what you mean? Anyways, I'm done. I'm done. Why is
your hand in your front pocket? He's got some loose
changes there, right, the guy about the backstory, it's not
about them, it's not about all right. So for those
who don't know Chippendales as male dancers, of course, but
I'm looking at it for the simple fact of the
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