January 4, 2023 • 50 mins
Today on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington discuss how the NFL plans to handle the unfinished game between the Bills and Bengals. Following their Bowl games, the draft stock has changed for both CJ Stroud and Bryce Young. Plus, The Old P, Petros Papadakis stops by with a ‘Hard Ticket to Hawaii’ to talk about the aftermath of Bowl season.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It is the best of two pros and a couple
show with Lamar Area, Rady, Quinn and Jones Knocks on Radio.
So the latest on to mar Hamlin and the reports
that we have. He is still in the hospital in
Cincinnati as of last night, according to his uncle who
spoke to CNN and the NFL network and others, that
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he is on oxygen, which is an improvement off the
that was needed when he initially got into the hospital.
So he's still sedated. That's the latest as far as
the health concerns go for to mar Hamlin and what
we have based on the information that's been passed along.
If anything else comes of that, throughout the course of
the show, we will have the very latest on all
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of that. The conversation then becomes what the NFL decided
to do when it came to this game. There was
some speculation, will they try and play this game the
Bills Bengals game and conclude the game which was halfway
or a little bit more than half way through the
first quarter. Will they try and do something this week?
Will the NFL announced the game is not going to
be played this week and there's going to be no
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changes made to week eighteen. So then with it being
so late in the season and with the status of
the a f C and home field advantage and first
round buys up for grabs, what does the NFL do?
And I don't think they have a clear cut answer.
There's been some speculation about what they might do. But
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how do you guys think this should be handled? As
we just sort of try and patch this thing together
and try and figure out how we get a season
finished with everything on the line from a playoffs standpoint.
Here's the tough part about even trying to answer this
is how do you expect the Bills to play this week?
I mean, if you're really taking mental health seriously, how
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do you expect them to be able to play this week?
That I mean, and there might be some people out
there who feel like they should be able to that's
their opinion. But isn't this up to the players, to
Sean mcdermoty's coaching staff and and how that team, that
organization is feeling. That's the tough part is You've got
all this stuff that's up in the air on the
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line right now, and unless we really get some some
good news about Damar Hamlin and in short order, it's
it's hard for these guys, especially some who were you
stayed in Cincinnati, they didn't even go back to Buffalo
with the team. You know, how do you look at
the Buffalo Bills, given their current state and where their
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minds at, and ask them to prepare for a game
when some of these guys might not even be back
in Buffalo by now. That would be my biggest question.
Like it's not it's not about things have to go on, right.
A business has to continue to to do business under circumstances,
any circumstances. I mean even after nine eleven, a week
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later we were we were back playing. Uh I don't
I don't look at it from that perspective. I look
at it more so as what you just said, How
are they preparing? You know, how are they able if
if there's guys that are still there with him and
still spending time with him, if they didn't have a
legit opportunity to get the week of preparation and to
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get back to business and get back to work after
what took place, that would be my biggest question is
how do they how do they do that? Not not
more so getting back because you have to get back.
I mean, you have to you have to start back,
and and as difficult as that may be, as as
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much of a proposition as it may be, even mentally speaking,
mental health wise speaking, that's just how it is. I mean,
that's just how it has to be. Is there is
there's still business that has to be done, There's still
a season that has to be played. And I don't
think that that's being insensitive to Hamlin and what took place.
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I just think that that's I mean, for all intents
and purposes, that's just how it is. It's it's it's
a reality of the situation and where where the NFL
is at. And it is a good point on how
you expect Buffalo to play this upcoming week? You know,
like everyone's talking about you know, well they couldn't finish
the game against Cincinnati, but we've got this week coming. Okay, Well,
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if you couldn't play Cincinnati, what makes you think that
they'll just be ready to go for the Bills or
for the Patriots rather it just and and also on
the Cincinnati side, what makes you think Cincinnati is gonna
be ready to go this weekend? It I just wonder
what's like, what is the NFL how how late can
they push this before they make a decision on this game,
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or do you just say, depending on what happens this weekend,
we just sort of scrapped this Cincinnati game and we
just called the regular season after this upcoming weekend and
we just continue on moving forward. There's also been a
thought do you replay the game and push wild card
weekend back, which would eat up, you know, the bye
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week before the super Bowl. There's just so much up
in the air now real quick. The other thing is
win percentage. You know, you could basically just go on
the seating based off percentage. I was about to ask
you that they talked about it during the COVID year
because there's an anticipation that some of the games would
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be canceled, and it probably it makes a lot of
sense just from the standpoint of at Levart's your point.
You know, things will move forward, um, but if there's
some teams that can't um, you know, similar to back
when we were in the COVID year, and there might
be be a team that's impacted by COVID and had
an outbreak and they couldn't feeld enough players. Other teams
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are still gonna play they're still gonna push forward, so
win percentage would have to be factored in. I think
there's some people who feel like, well, hey, that sounds
like it's unfair then, right. You know, you have the
Chiefs who currently sit as the number one overall seed.
The Bills, had they won out, would have ended up
taking that spot. And obviously given that they were the
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favorite to win the Super Bowl four the season, everything
else that's transpired, they yeah, well that that's That's what
I was alluding to. Um. But the whole point is, like,
having home field throughout in Buffalo is a huge home
field advantage. And so it's tough to even have this
conversation because they're the team that ultimately would benefit the
most from actually going back and playing the games to
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be able to have that number one you know, overall
seed and home field advantage. Uh, and yet they're the
team that's most impacted by what's happened with Damar Hamlin.
So it's such a difficult task for the NFL, and
I feel like for all parties involved in that front,
you know, in their you know, league office, to be
able to make this decision, it's not easy. But at
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the end of the day. They're going to have to
make a decision at some point. And you know, if
I'm sure they're gonna factor in damorrow Hamlin's progress and
his recovery, you know that he makes a full recovery.
I just don't think there's any way you can replay
the game at this point, because the season is coming
to an end. What you're gonna do, You're gonna load
them up with a game win because they would have
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had a bye week or whatever, or maybe they don't
have the bye week because they don't have the number
one seed anymore. Regardless of how you look at push
back playoffs so that you'd eat up as Jonah said
that week before the Super Bowl, which apparently they looked
at doing, or they did back, and there's a two
thousand and two, two thousand and one, there's a season
back then where where they had done that for the
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playoffs because to the two thousand one, yeah, well if
you if you, if you did it that way, then
now you're giving all the other teams an advantage as well,
because remember they whatever games were supposed to be playing.
If you give if you if you push it back
a year, put it back a week week, right, then
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that would mean that everybody gets like an extra week. Here,
here's the one thing, and everybody gets a buy now
really yeah. And and also what ends up happening is
because these two this is such a massive game for
the a f C that if you know, Cincinnati wins
this weekend, Buffalo wins this weekend, Kansas City wins this weekend.
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I mean, now you're talking about or if Kansas City loses,
now we're talking about the winner of Cincinnati Buffalo, well,
I mean, Cincinnati would then take over the two seed,
and and and then what do you do in Cincinnati
could actually theoretically Kana City lost and a Buffalo loss,
they would have the tidebreaker over man, if they had
beaten Buffalo and Kansas City, since they already beat them
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there at the sidebreaker of a boat. There's no I mean,
it's just the I hate to say what I think. No,
I don't, I don't hate to say what I think.
I'm gonna say what I think. The bottom line here
is you're not going to move the entire playoffs based
off of this one Pope, this one game that that
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got postponed the way that it did, or or whatever.
It's labeled as so this game is going to I
don't think it's going to be finished. I don't think
it's they're they're not going to finish this game because
you're overloading the bills to play this game. And not
to mention and and the Bengals, these are both highly rated,
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rady to playoff teams. You're not going to take a
week away from like how do you do it? Yeah?
I just don't see how you do it? So you
gotta you gotta go with however you calculated off of
what took place. I mean, in a way, it's no
different than if if it's part of it, it's an
act of God that took place, basically, and and and
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so if it happens that way, you just gotta say, hey,
we could have been the number one rated team, the
number one seed, the team, but you know what, one
of our comrades went down. We weren't able to play
the game. So we're gonna take what our given scenario
is going into the playoffs, and is what it is.
What a crazy year for Buffalo man talk about whether
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I mean everything like like being moved around, snowed in
in Chicago and then you know, seeing what happened, went
to mar Hamlin and now trying to figure out the
finish of this season. And you know, we were looking
at that game against Kansas City that hey, that was
that was massive for them. We talked about the home
field advantage snow games in Buffalo and and here we
are trying to figure out whether or not you're even
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gonna be able to get another game. I hope the
NFL is really factoring in, you know, Sean McDermott and
his team's you know, response to all this, whether it's
about this week, um in week eight teen and just
moving forward and and and how they're trying to create
whatever decision they make moving forward. I hope they're factoring
in all of that. I'm sure they are. I mean,
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I think there's you know, some back and forth between
ESPN and the NFL yesterday about you know who exactly
it communicated the five minute warm up, And as I
said yesterday, uh, it's it's just it's not like Joe
Buck to say something that he wasn't told in that instance,
like he's so good at his job, and and he
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came out and defended himself to Andrew Marshan, who obviously
is part of the New York Post, but as a
podcast and basically said they were in contact of the
league the entire time, and so Troy Vincy can come
out and sit when every once for the NFL. But
we've seen the NFL fumble constantly, and so there's no
doubt in my mind the NFL probably went to a
standard protocol or procedure when they saw a player down
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and communicated that to someone that communicated that to ESPN,
and then became aware of how dire the circumstances were
and probably backed off of that. But it doesn't change
the fact that you know that delay took an hour
and and it just it didn't make any sense while
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the game wasn't canceled immediately, Like I don't think you
needed to have Zach Taylor approached on McDermott to have
both teams go to the locker room and then talk
to them and say we don't need to play this game.
Like good leadership at the NFL, whether it's Troy Vincent
or Roger Goodell, they should have been the ones to
call it and not put them in harm's way. But
that wasn't how it was. Everything transpired. Be sure to
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catch live editions of Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Errington and Jonas Knocks week
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio on the Field
of Football, And we talked a little bit about this yesterday,
just the phenomenal playoff games that we saw over the
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weekend and also just the performances of some other players
and two of the guys that have been rumored to
be going at the top of the draft four months.
If you go to any of the betting odds, they
would all tell you who's going to be the number
one pick. It's most likely going to be a quarterback.
And two of those guys obviously, Bryce Young and c J. Stroud.
And now upon seeing both of those guys play in
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their bowl games, which by the way, it was funny
to see Alabama go down ten points to Kansas State
and everybody was trying to write off them, Oh, they
don't care about this game, and then Bryce Young just
went out there and just put on a put on
a performance in his final game in Alabama announced he's
leaving to go to the NFL. So now the discussion
becomes where does where did these guys go at the
top of the drafts and been a two man like
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he bawled out. You think he's uh. I don't know
about what his draft status is, but I just know
you see when you see special, you know special dudes,
pretty special. Man like watching it. It's it's so funny
being able to watch like where we were watching the
vantage point. You could look down onto the field, so
you can see the formations. You can see what the
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offense is trying to do, you can see what the
defense is trying to do. You can see what the
reeds are. And your boy Stetson been at bro he
was he was cooking out there, man, he was cooking.
He's made himself into a little legitimate draft prospect. Not now,
I'm not gonna put him up there with the likes
of Bryce Young and c. J. Stroud and Will Levis
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and and those guys, but he's definitely gone for my guy.
That was a good story. And now as I think
being looked at a lot more seriously, probably in the
end of the draft. I mean, look, he's undersized guy
at five eleven pounds, but he's improved his game to
the point where he can make all the throws. He's scrappy,
he's tough, he's a smart kid, he's accurate with the football. Uh,
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he's just streaky from time to time. You know, if
you if you go back and watch that game through,
you know, you'll see sometimes you're like, all right, while
was Ohio State able to come back in this? I
mean there's some Georgia deficiencies, great plays by Marvin Harrison,
but you see a little bit two of a lull
and some of the offense with Stetson Bennett. But again,
he'll he'll be he'll he'll get drafted. You know, I
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don't know before the past couple of years if you
could have said that. And I think anytime you win
a national championship, and obviously if he wins to you
look a little better than you probably actually are, um
just because you're surrounded by so much talent, so many
good players. But he's definitely molded himself into a guy
that you know, maybe he gets looked at and take
it as high as the fourth round, fifth round, or
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maybe they you know, he still kind of gets looked
at as a six seven round guy. But I don't
know that you could have said that before the past
two years he would have even been drafted um given
his size and the skill set. But I mean, Jonas
was kind of looting at C. J. Stroud and and
probably what I had mentioned to him, and I just
I felt like his entire career he never showed what
he showed in that game. I mean his suddenness, the
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way he moved within the pocket, his ability to make
it through tackles and navigate the pocket and get outside
and use his legs. That was something that you know,
you kind of always heard. He didn't want to do it,
didn't really like to do well. In this instance, I
thought he saved his best performance at Ohio State for
the last one. He played outstanding, like absolutely outstanding, and
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gave his team every opportunity to to win that game.
And in my eyes, I put him right there behind
Bryce Young. And I think that's a little bit do
with everything I see in Bryce Young. I think there'll
be other people who now view him as the number
one quarterback in this draft class. And in part because
you don't have the size issues that you are concerned
by the durability with Bryce Young. But I've got them
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as that one, A one being this draft class. Their
film is phenomenal. Stroud's probably the most accurate f in
the pocket of any of these guys, and now with
the ability that he showcase versus Georgia, I I think
I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't looked at as
the number one overall quarterback. They were coming after him too,
They were challenging him in that game, and he kept delivering,
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and he showed a feel in an understanding, in a
command that to me, it was it was league caliber,
it was franchise league caliber. And I was very I was.
I was very impressed with what c. J. Stroud did
in the game and and how he handled himself. I
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was the biggest disappointment of it was And it's probably
a question it it'll probably be a question that that
the scouts asking and that people want to know, why
didn't you trust him at the end of the game,
because that was a lack of trust or either you
trusted your which I just can't figure out how to
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justify you trusted your kickers so much. You're like, you
know what, We're not gonna try anything else from here.
We're gonna run a little little uh sweep or a
little little dive. We're gonna run a quick, quick, little
slant and that's it. That was it, Like you didn't
give him the opportunity to really like that would have
been the total after that run he made, to put
them where they were at, that would have been a
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total solidification. Maybe he didn't trust who he was throwing too,
which even that seems a little far fetched, but I
think that's probably more so the case than not trusting C. J.
Stroud in that moment my opinion, you know, And I
would agree with that. I totally would, because the first
thing I said, and I said this on the show,
if Marvin Harrison, Um, Marvin Harrison Jr. Is Is still
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in that game, I don't even think that it came
down to that last drive, Like that doesn't come down
to that last drive. I think they went by a
touchdowners so, but he did go out and but they
were able to get back down the field and and
partly in part because he was able to run for it,
but he was delivering the ball like he was finding,
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he was finding the open guys. I just felt like, man,
why you guys go so conservative with with time left?
I think they had a time out left. I believe
I'm resting on it now, but just the way the
scenario was set up, they could have gone aggressive, two
more plays, two more plays, I agree. I mean that
the thing was, I don't think Ruggles had hit a
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fifty or more yarder all season, and that was where
they were sitting, and it was like, I mean, a
college kicker, do you really have that much faith in
a guy too in that moment, with the season on
the line, go and do something that he maybe hasn't
done all season. I mean, I checked the facts on that.
I thought I saw that he was over on the
on the fifty plus yard kicks. But by the way,
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after Kirby Smart called the time out to ice him,
when no Ruggles took his helmet off, he looked like
a guy who was feeling it. Like that moment, he
looks stressed out. Give me a little more of an
example of what exactly that that looks like to those
out there who didn't see it, Just like one of
those like, um, like what would be constipated look, Yeah,
like you could probably say that like almost like man,
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I thought this is gonna be a lot easier, and
now it's not. And now I've got to just wear
this uncomfortableness for a little bit longer. I'll try to
help you, all right. So imagine, all right, So imagine
thinking you were going to get away with fooling around
on your better half, and you're like, there's no way
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anybody saw it. Nobody saw what was going on. And
then all of a sudden, you look over your shoulder
and you realize her best friends it at the bar
top behind you, and you just turn your head the
other way and you start navigating the situation internally and going,
how the hell am I going to get out of this?
What the hell am I going to do to get
out of this? And then you turn around to try
and play it off like it's all smooth, like nobody
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saw anything, Like hey, I didn't know you were there,
only to find out she saw the whole thing. And
that's what that kick represented. It wasn't closed the second
it left his foot. It wasn't. You got to take
it a step further, Jonas, because to be seen would
be one thing. It's the technology that's going to get
you the look like if you saw her phone going
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back into her purse when you turned and realized that
your wife's best friend was there at the place you
were at. H that's the face right there, there's the face.
There's the face. Great point, But we're in there. We're
on the same page, you know what I mean. Look,
he looked uncomfortable. Well that would be way more uncomfortable
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if you saw the technology going back into the purse
or the pocket. Yeah, yeah, that point. Did you guys
think the Kirby smart time out before the fake punt? He?
I know there was some speculation whether or not he
got it in in time, which I believe there's a
bit of a leeway, right like the communications from Kirby
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to the official and then to the snap. There could
be a second or two that's involved there where they
give the coaches the opportunity where the official hurt it
as he goes to communicate it to the other officials.
Even if the snaps taking place, they're like, hey, he
called it before. When that line judge was kind of
waiting and looking at the ball um. I thought, I
thought he got it in time. But the process obviously
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of communicating everyone else led to a bit of maybe
hysteria or confusion as to if he got the time
out in time, because if not, they run that fake punt,
they get a first down, And that's another instance where
you felt like maybe the games in hand for Ohio State,
it's like just procedurally everything felt a little choppy, the officiating,
just the time time management at times clock management, and
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I would say in both games, and we talked about
it yesterday, I don't think they can have either officiating crew. Uh,
they can't be from the SEC or Big Ten. And
the unfortunate part is those are the best two conferences
for officials. So like that came alone, you knew you
were working to get the best officiating because of the
other three Power five conferences, they're all way behind the
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SEC of Big Ten in my opinion, Okay, is it
because they don't trust that they're going to be able
to not be biased? Well, I think there's natural bias though.
I mean, look, I'm not gonna get on my soapbox here,
but you know, when when I was a Notre Dame,
you're an independent, and so every single time we'd play
a team, we'd have their opposing officiating crew. So meanwhile,
when they're over there, you know, glad handing and talking
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to all the officials because they see them every week,
we're like just getting introduced to them. So we might
have a big ten crew that we saw because we
played some big ten teams like once or twice um,
or maybe there's a pack you know PAC twelve or
a PAC ten team you know back then that that
we had been you know, had once or twice. But
for the most part, it wasn't it wasn't really like that,
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like you really didn't have a great relationship with the
officials and it didn't help that they didn't have any
bias for it. And I'm sure like it's human nature
that you want to if you're an officiating crew and
you're watching a team all year and you especially one
that's successful, you'd wanted to see them to continue to
be successful, right, I mean, obviously you want to be
a part of some of those more meaningful games in
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the future, uh, if you can be, And so it
kind of helps, you know, to have that be part
of the case. Let me ask you as a question,
do you think that either Bryce Young or c J.
Stroud are a good enough prospect that if you're the
bear sitting at one or two, you think about going
in that direction moving on to justin field and that's
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nothing to do with them as a prospect. I think
Justin Fields has done enough is what you have right
now to prove that he's the guy. I feel like
Justin Fields did more than or just as much, maybe
not as much as as Bryce Young, but he did
probably more than than Stroud. Urbant Meyer said that uh C. J.
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Stroud sees the field better than Justin Fields like that
he was kind of is not as dynamic of a runner,
and that's true too, to see the field as well
as Bryce Young. So so there you go. So Bryce
Young's that never went over. I'll pick to Houston, right.
I mean that like because he's the favorite right now.
I will say this much about Bryce Young. If he
was six ft three two and fifteen pounds, we would
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be looking at him as as a generational Hey, we
haven't seen a kid like this in the past. Trevor Lawrence,
Oh yeah, easily, I would. I would say he even
sees the field better than him. He the way he
can can shape throws and make throws from awkward body positions,
and just how he sees the field and with his
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timing and anticipation, it is such a unique skill. Sell
I was just talking with a former GM yesterday about it,
and everyone just kind of steps away when you watch
the tape. I'm telling you his accuracy downfield, his accuracy
really everywhere, and just the way he plays the game.
It is so far beyond his his years. It's hard
to put into perspective. But anyone who sits there and
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just sits back and watches like a cut up of
balls throws, you're woud. You are truly woud. And I
think this year too, you know, you go back and
just you see the fact that there's no separation like
you could say in the years past, like Okay, Jameson Williams,
these other guys who are getting separation. They're all these
big plays this year, that one in the case, and
he's putting balls in spots like he threw a touchdown
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pass I believe it was to Jakorey Brooks in the
corner of the end zone this past week. That whole
play action get back and where he put the football.
It doesn't get any better than that, Like it was
a perfect spot. And there's not many guys that can
do that. You know, nine times out of ten, he's
one of those guys that can. So I think the
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world with a kid. I think he's absolutely phenomenal. Whether
or not that will translate to the Houston Texas or
the NFL because of his size, if he's durable enough,
I don't know. Is there anyways out of the top
five just because of his size? Yeah, of course. Why
I thought you were on the Tom Brady well, I
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thought you were rolling on Tom Brady burto. I want
a rookie quarterback, and I'll take Tom Brady. I don't
know that you can have everything, BUTO, I don't know
if you can have your cake and eat it too.
Even though the adult film you just showed me apparently
that oh yeah you got Knock Knock goes the knar
Res movie. Yeah, that was yeah. Yeah, I didn't see
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a whole lot of kile of reeves, a lot of
other things go on. He didn't see his face. Yeah
you um. And also, it's got to go for something
to NFL executives are really dead, noodle um. It's got
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also the fact that Bryan didn't opt out of that game,
went and played knowing, Look, I could be running the risk,
but I want to go play with my guys and
then put up a performance like that. He was fantastic. Man,
So I just think it's awesome. I hated the fact
that like Bama's built themselves up to be like so
hated because people just hate the fact they've had so
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much success. It was at nine straight seasons, they've had
eleven wins or more, whatever the number. And by the way,
the two losses were what by combined what four points? Tennessee, Yeah,
something crazy. I had a friend text me, They're like,
you see all of Bamma's downten nothing and case states this.
I was just like, yes, it's early. I was like,
just let's just pump the brakes there for a second.
And then they just poured it on. And I thought
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to myself, like anyone who's met or been around Bryce Young,
he's probably the most nicest, humble guy. That's it's one
of heisman that's gonna be looked at as the number
one overall pick you'll ever find. Like, literally, I don't
think you could like this kid more. Nothing gets to
his head. He's just very, very grounded with the way
he sees himself and sees the game and football. Um.
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I could go on for about this kid, but he uh,
it'll be interestingly to see what teams think of him
once the draft comes around. And by the way, it
was just a couple of years ago that after watching
a spring game, an Alabama spring game, doing the research,
putting in the work, that Brady Quinn went on the
air nationally and said, Bryce Young is gonna win your
Heisman and he was a tend to one underdog to
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do so, and it paid out big. That's what I'm
talking about. That's Brady Quinn right there. I feel I
feel bad too, because I feel like had he you know,
had they had a more successful season, he probably you're
looking at him winning it again. Yeah, well, I'll be real.
I mean, Caleb Williams was phenomenal this year, but I
think that the award typically goes to the best player
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and the best team, and had Bama been in the
mix for it, he probably has a case to be made,
even as good as Caleb Williams was. Um. But again,
that's that's that's I mean. I heard that part of
the issue was the people that voted on the Heisman.
They were bothered that Bryshon didn't paid his fingernails like that.
That was really the set back there. So had he
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petty painted his fingernails. He would have gotten some more love.
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am five seventy l a sports pee. What's happening? Happy
New Year? I mean it's one week a year. I
mean I realized it's a lot of college football that week,
but it's the one week a year I take off.
I don't I don't have a phone. There. No, we
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we can't take your excuses, man, that that's not we
needed you on. We were looking for you, Petro. So
hope you had a good break, brother. I know how
hard you grind. I mean you you guys at a
four hour so yesterday, right, yeah, and Brady came on, Oh,
Grandy came on the show and we talked about football.
So look, I'm sorry, I don't want I didn't want
to start this out like that. But Jonas you set
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the tone when he did it, which was it was
gonna make some time through the rain in my caftan
down into my basement joined this show. Hey, By the way,
I texted, that was a sweet Hawaii sweater you were
wearing on with with Fred Rogan the other night on
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The Challenge on NBC in l a Yeah, Light Blue
on an homage to my favorite film about Hawaii, Hard
Ticket to Hawaii, the Andy Sadaris vehicle from the late eighties.
That is one of the worst movies of all time.
Some say, but I think it's great, But no, it's
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it's a really cheesy. You guys don't know who Andy
Sedaris was. Andy Sadaris was like he was like an
old sports director from the Louisiana area who went crazy
and took all this money and started making a bunch
of b movies with a bunch of like playboy playmates
and booby models and they shoot people and have their
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boobs out and stuff like that. Uh. Sadaris was a
Greek from Shreveport, just like Tim Brando's from Shreveport. He
died in Beverly Hills. But some of these movies, guys
like Hard Ticket to Hawaii, Savage Beast, Hard Hunted, Guns,
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it's just called guns. By the way, he wrote a book.
Do you know the title of the book. I've got
it here, Bullets, bombs and babes, That's right, I mean,
come on, man. And so there's this movie called hard
ticket to Hawaii. And it's got a song. I mean,
maybe somebody could pull it up. It goes it's a
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hard ticket to Hawaii. It's not a pair of dice
all the time. And a guy gets his head chopped
off with a frisbee in this movie, that's a frisbee.
Well he puts he puts razor blades on it. He
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switches them out when he's throwing with this guard with
a machine gun. This is for the Molokai cops. It's
like a hippies ninja star. It's unreal. Yea. And he
goes nice ass to a girl and she turns around
and goes, you've got a nice as two pilgrims. Yeah,
it's a hard ticket to anyway. That's why I wore
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my squish. Petros, how was your brig? You're terrible every year.
It's the worst. I wish I would have been a time.
Oh yeah, come on, and that right, Jonah oh man,
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all that math? Oh yeah, Petris. Is this similar to
the backside of Catalina? Oh? It's which one? The windy
side of MAUI? Yeah, I mean yeah, I think you
have a lot of fallout people for decades that go
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to Hawaii and just end up pumping gas in Hallolulu
and eventually they end up selling their bodies. It's a
hard ticket. It's fun now now you know, Petros, They
are listening to us in Hawaii right now on Hawaii
Fox Sports, So shout out to them. Alohato has been
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playing a lot of Hawaiian moves. Appears then based on that,
a lot of stuff in the studio, a lot of
people selling their bodies for stuff that we're sitting in studio.
It's a beautiful place, but it's not paradise all the time.
As we know that wasn't paradise for USC. Oh come
on to Lane. I mean, you know what, LaVar. You
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know what when somebody takes the field and I don't know,
it doesn't matter who you're playing, but they start gashing
you like three plays at a time, like it's a
high school mismatch. And that's what Tou Lane was doing
offensively to USC. They they were scoring in three, two,
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four plays and going eighty yards seventy yards. You ain't
gonna win as spectacular as Caleb Williams was and as
good as they did with the time of possession and
possessing the ball because Tu Lane was dropping eight, so
they just forced Caleb to pick him apart and he
looked pretty good. But man USC had some serious issues
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defensively all year and they never improved. They got worse
and worse. They lost their last two games where they
needed to finish strong after the whole college football world
was washing their balls, and all of a sudden everything
fell apart because they just couldn't get off blocks and
the guys that did get off blocks couldn't make the
fan tackle. So it was amazing to see. And you know,
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here's the other thing. I love the city of New Orleans,
as you guys know, and I have some friends there,
and never once in their lives did any of them
ever give an half about two Lane. They hate too Lane.
New Orleans is not a two lane town. New Orleans
is an l s U town. Tu Lane is a
private school where kids like Dodger, GM smart kids from
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the East Coast, Andrew Friedman and stuff. They end up
down there and they end up having a good time,
and it's a great school. It's in the Garden district, Rick,
but it's not a place that the city normally embraces.
And all of a sudden, Tu Lane beats USC and
has revenge for the nineteen two Rose Bowl lost, and
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all of a sudden, all these guys are tweeting me
and texting me pictures of them holding bottles of christall
wearing two Lane sweatshirts. Hey, now we're popping by ad
tou Fee. We're popping bottles down here, And it's like, okay,
really you guys, But I was really it was great
to see and I love to see. The turnaround is amazing.
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Two wins to twelve, as you pointed out on our
show yesterday, And I like that big Willie style, big
Willie Fritz style. He's the guy Willie Fritz that started
Blend Junior College and their dom not started it, but
he started their football programs dominance where they became a
feeder to a bunch of blue bloods and developing talent.
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Cam Newton probably the most prominent from Yeah, yeah, he
would be. And so I thought he did a great
job obviously in the game, and it was tough to
see USC go down like that. Blick and Riley still
has turned to USC football around and changed USC football,
but they have a lot of gaps to fill defensively literally,
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and they have a bit of a bitter taste going
through the off season because of that, and you hate
to see it. It happened to U c l A too,
getting boat raced down the stretch. Uh to your to
your point earlier about the place. Um, they only had
two and only had one drive over eight plays on
offense that entire game. And it was I want to say,
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maybe the final one that end up going for a touchdown. UM,
but pretty interesting. I was listening back and forth, you know,
I have the serious x M. So I was on
my way to a party and I was listening to
the USC call oh god, no, and then you turn
over to the tulane you just hit. But it's caught.
It's history of two late. By the way, on the
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note of the two way people reaching out doing that.
You know who else celebrated like that this year, to
me was USC. So I'm not sure that that there.
You know, some of the fan base there with SC
is not in the same count. I didn't try to
drag my you know what across your grave? Did I know?
Which looks That's the only game I root for USCN
because I love the USC, Notre Dame rivalry. I loved
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playing in it, and I thought it was really special.
So that's usually one of the only games I actually
become like an ex player and the really root for us.
But I didn't. I never go after you about it, Brady.
I know you have enough to deal with already with
all the fight on fingers all, a lot of body,
a lot a lot of all of the body on
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the point of defensive issues they've had, and the issues
that Lincoln in Oklahoma now USC you know Grince was
with him, he brought he brought him with them. Do
you think he's gonna they're gonna keep him. They think
there's gonna be a potential change they're given the lack
of you know, defensive prowess, I guess, or how they
struggled under Lincoln Riley as a head coach. Well, he
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hasn't gotten the vote of confidence publicly after the game,
so you never know, it was pretty bad that that
kind of collapse. But I don't think so. I don't
think you'd do that, not after a year of just
slapping the team together. But it does bear to it
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bears to reason that a team with a really innovative,
great play calling offensive coach is having a hard time
playing defense. That's not the first time that's ever happened.
I mean, this guy does come from Mike Leach's coaching tree.
Even though Bob Stoops, who's a defensive guy, which is
really great, speaks wonderfully to Bob Stoops and his football
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prowess and his ability to stay half. All of these guys,
these air raid types, a lot of them came up
under Bob Stoops, who's a defensive man and all about
that side of the ball. So well, we'll see what
they do. They have personnel problems and obviously problems with
an overall vibe in the unit, but that can't be
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fixed with a transfer portal. When you're supposed to be
a good, growing football team, you need to develop guys
from within, develop leadership, have older guys that are really
good with really good practice habits that show the younger
guys how to be when they come into school so
they can one day become those guys. And that's something
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that has to kind of feed off itself. And we
don't know how teams are going to handle that as
far as the transfer portal goes, and how much of
that they're going to be able to do. But that's
really the way you build a defense. So we'll see
how USC handles it. Maybe a bit of a high
bred look going forward, or they'll fire the guy, but
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I hope they don't. I like him, but obviously one
of the worst performances I've ever seen defensively on what
was supposed to be a promising USC football team. Down
to strat get him on Twitter at the old p
Petros papadgis joining us here on two pros and a
cup of Joe Fox Sports Radios, Petris, I wanted to
ask you, Um, you saw Bryce Young in high school
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and we were when I was impressed with him. We
were talking about he's most likely going to be the
number one overall pick in the draft. Just in comparison
two other quarterbacks you've seen come out of Southern California.
How good is Bryce Young in comparison to all those, Well,
he's as good as far as just being able to
drop back and see it and be calm and deliver
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the football and have some arm talent and do a
bunch of good stuff. He's not like he It's the
interesting thing is Bryce Young is a lot better than
a lot of the dudes that were Gatorade Player of
the Year types before him at at modern day and
I'm talking about modern era, modern day not Matt liner
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and era modern day football, which is a big time
high school here in southern California. So Matt Barkley would
be the other one. J. T. Daniels would be the
other one. And those were guys that were there were
really great players, but they were five star quarterback recruits
because of the team they were on a lot like
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Heward from Washington. They were guys that could drop back
and deliver it on a really really outlying high school
football team. Uh not like a dude like Trevor Lawrence right,
who walks into the room and you're like, oh my god,
that's a five star quarterback. Like those guys didn't jump
off the page physically. Like to me, if you put
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five stars by a guy, he can't be kind of
a normal looking white guy that looks like a baseball player,
you know what I'm saying, and doesn't have like these
unbelievable physical attributes like speed and all that he could
be a great quarterback. I mean, Tom Brady is not
a five star recruit. He doesn't have measurables. I mean
he could be a great quarterback, but that doesn't mean
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he has all these boxes that he checks as the
best recruit of all time. And Bryce was was better
than those guys. He was more physically gifted than those
guys and a little bit quicker on the trigger than
those guys, and his talent showed even above all of
these special players that he was out there competing with.
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So I've thought he was great the whole time. I
think his dad's a great guy, and he's got the
right kind of leadership and his family and that helps
a lot with these young guys who have a lot
of opportunity coming for them, and a lot of opportunity
through the high school time where you knew he was
(44:57):
going to be special. So I think he's been handled perfectly,
to be honest, And uh, I don't know if he's
as big, strong and fast as a guy who you
would normally have us the number one pick of the draft,
But my god, they picked Baker Mayfield first of the draft.
So what you're gonna do? Let me throw this last
one out, no words, No, it's a hot ticket to Hawaii. Yeah,
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So you know, I just went watched the Rose Bowl
and I was making jokes about going into the game like,
you know, the ten is going to show you guys
how to handle you know, show us see how to
handle a team like Utah who is known to be
a super super physical team, and they are they are
(45:43):
a very physical group. Um we did out physical them.
Penn State eventually wore them down and out out physical them,
which that's what Michigan probably should have did as well,
but we won't. I won't touch on that. Um to
is looking at the idea that USC and u c
l A Are going into the Big Ten were we
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were the third third best team in in the Big
Ten and and we aren't yet at the level of
being as physical as a Michigan or a you know
in an Ohio State. What what is the you know,
was there any type of takeaway from that that, you know,
the most physical team in the pack got man handled
(46:28):
by a ten team. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I
think you can look at a bowl game and say
a lot of things and make a lot draw a
lot of conclusions. I mean, it's a little bit like
the thing that happened in the Buffalo Bills game where
everybody takes this young man's heart event and they turned
it into whatever they have against football or whatever their
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platform is to change football or so I think if
you think the Big Ten is a lot more physical
than the Pac twelve, which it is, you can take
this game and say, look at look at what happened,
and oh my god, USC and U c l A
are left and that could very very well be true.
My my inkling is that it's probably somewhere in the middle. Yeah,
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because all I mean, you know what bowl games are like,
some teams come out and they just for whatever reason,
and you don't know why. They're well coached teams, they
just don't they don't have a good day. And yeah,
and you tah to not have a good day and
they got beat at the line of scrimmage by another team.
And I've seen, I mean I've seen you talk come
out and do that to Alabama when they're in the
Mountain West. So and Penn State had a great performance
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and Franklin finally got uh a lot of what he deserves.
And I think that's great. But you know the rose
but rose pedal bath and all that. But I think, uh,
I think USC and U c l A have a
little bit of adjusting to do as far as how
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they're gonna play, especially deep into the season and those
and as Brady pointed out on our show, it's certainly
gonna be a lot harder to win that conference, even
though neither of them won the Back twelve this year
than than it was the Pack twelve. But I don't
I don't know if that game, standing on its own,
is the evidence that I need to say that, Oh
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my god, USC and U. C. L A Are gonna
wilt like a like a piece of lettuce in the sun. Uh.
But but it could very well be true. I mean, USC,
it couldn't stop too Lane, So yeah, you know, I mean,
but they might have it. They might be able to
stop Iowa. What about? What about? Because that's what would
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Illinois Britt Bill. I'm just gonna run it down their
throats the little time they're gonna try. Right, When when
when when they were gonna line up and they're gonna
run his own right, They're gonna run his own left.
They're gonna run the power against that. They'll keep doing it.
You're a little excited about it, a a little turned on
by I love I love just watching run the football
out of it. Look, I did the what's your f
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and deal? Game with Pete Carol versus Jim Harbaugh. And
that's exactly what Harba did with Toby gerhard He ran,
he ran power until usc quit, literally quit, and then
he ran it in for to get fifty five or
something on a two point conversion. And Pete Carroll's like,
what's your deal? And then Hardball said, what's your f
and deal? And I called that game with the Great
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Barry Tompkins, and you know, so, yes it did. It did.
Give me a little bit of a well, what's the
name of that new big U c l A Center? Bona?
Give me a little bit of a bona mccron on
the show today, get him on Twitter, played you get
(49:45):
a bona? Petriss, what about Hawaii? Though it's a hard ticket,
look pay the price for Paradise. Yeah, it's two pros,
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So the latest on to mar Hamlin and the reports
that we have. He is still in the hospital in
Cincinnati as of last night, according to his uncle who
spoke to CNN and the NFL network and others, that
(00:25):
he is on oxygen, which is an improvement off the
that was needed when he initially got into the hospital.
So he's still sedated. That's the latest as far as
the health concerns go for to mar Hamlin and what
we have based on the information that's been passed along.
If anything else comes of that, throughout the course of
the show, we will have the very latest on all
(00:46):
of that. The conversation then becomes what the NFL decided
to do when it came to this game. There was
some speculation, will they try and play this game the
Bills Bengals game and conclude the game which was halfway
or a little bit more than half way through the
first quarter. Will they try and do something this week?
Will the NFL announced the game is not going to
be played this week and there's going to be no
(01:07):
changes made to week eighteen. So then with it being
so late in the season and with the status of
the a f C and home field advantage and first
round buys up for grabs, what does the NFL do?
And I don't think they have a clear cut answer.
There's been some speculation about what they might do. But
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how do you guys think this should be handled? As
we just sort of try and patch this thing together
and try and figure out how we get a season
finished with everything on the line from a playoffs standpoint.
Here's the tough part about even trying to answer this
is how do you expect the Bills to play this week?
I mean, if you're really taking mental health seriously, how
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do you expect them to be able to play this week?
That I mean, and there might be some people out
there who feel like they should be able to that's
their opinion. But isn't this up to the players, to
Sean mcdermoty's coaching staff and and how that team, that
organization is feeling. That's the tough part is You've got
all this stuff that's up in the air on the
(02:12):
line right now, and unless we really get some some
good news about Damar Hamlin and in short order, it's
it's hard for these guys, especially some who were you
stayed in Cincinnati, they didn't even go back to Buffalo
with the team. You know, how do you look at
the Buffalo Bills, given their current state and where their
(02:34):
minds at, and ask them to prepare for a game
when some of these guys might not even be back
in Buffalo by now. That would be my biggest question.
Like it's not it's not about things have to go on, right.
A business has to continue to to do business under circumstances,
any circumstances. I mean even after nine eleven, a week
(02:56):
later we were we were back playing. Uh I don't
I don't look at it from that perspective. I look
at it more so as what you just said, How
are they preparing? You know, how are they able if
if there's guys that are still there with him and
still spending time with him, if they didn't have a
legit opportunity to get the week of preparation and to
(03:19):
get back to business and get back to work after
what took place, that would be my biggest question is
how do they how do they do that? Not not
more so getting back because you have to get back.
I mean, you have to you have to start back,
and and as difficult as that may be, as as
(03:40):
much of a proposition as it may be, even mentally speaking,
mental health wise speaking, that's just how it is. I mean,
that's just how it has to be. Is there is
there's still business that has to be done, There's still
a season that has to be played. And I don't
think that that's being insensitive to Hamlin and what took place.
(04:02):
I just think that that's I mean, for all intents
and purposes, that's just how it is. It's it's it's
a reality of the situation and where where the NFL
is at. And it is a good point on how
you expect Buffalo to play this upcoming week? You know,
like everyone's talking about you know, well they couldn't finish
the game against Cincinnati, but we've got this week coming. Okay, Well,
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if you couldn't play Cincinnati, what makes you think that
they'll just be ready to go for the Bills or
for the Patriots rather it just and and also on
the Cincinnati side, what makes you think Cincinnati is gonna
be ready to go this weekend? It I just wonder
what's like, what is the NFL how how late can
they push this before they make a decision on this game,
(04:44):
or do you just say, depending on what happens this weekend,
we just sort of scrapped this Cincinnati game and we
just called the regular season after this upcoming weekend and
we just continue on moving forward. There's also been a
thought do you replay the game and push wild card
weekend back, which would eat up, you know, the bye
(05:04):
week before the super Bowl. There's just so much up
in the air now real quick. The other thing is
win percentage. You know, you could basically just go on
the seating based off percentage. I was about to ask
you that they talked about it during the COVID year
because there's an anticipation that some of the games would
(05:24):
be canceled, and it probably it makes a lot of
sense just from the standpoint of at Levart's your point.
You know, things will move forward, um, but if there's
some teams that can't um, you know, similar to back
when we were in the COVID year, and there might
be be a team that's impacted by COVID and had
an outbreak and they couldn't feeld enough players. Other teams
(05:46):
are still gonna play they're still gonna push forward, so
win percentage would have to be factored in. I think
there's some people who feel like, well, hey, that sounds
like it's unfair then, right. You know, you have the
Chiefs who currently sit as the number one overall seed.
The Bills, had they won out, would have ended up
taking that spot. And obviously given that they were the
(06:06):
favorite to win the Super Bowl four the season, everything
else that's transpired, they yeah, well that that's That's what
I was alluding to. Um. But the whole point is, like,
having home field throughout in Buffalo is a huge home
field advantage. And so it's tough to even have this
conversation because they're the team that ultimately would benefit the
most from actually going back and playing the games to
(06:29):
be able to have that number one you know, overall
seed and home field advantage. Uh, and yet they're the
team that's most impacted by what's happened with Damar Hamlin.
So it's such a difficult task for the NFL, and
I feel like for all parties involved in that front,
you know, in their you know, league office, to be
able to make this decision, it's not easy. But at
(06:50):
the end of the day. They're going to have to
make a decision at some point. And you know, if
I'm sure they're gonna factor in damorrow Hamlin's progress and
his recovery, you know that he makes a full recovery.
I just don't think there's any way you can replay
the game at this point, because the season is coming
to an end. What you're gonna do, You're gonna load
them up with a game win because they would have
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had a bye week or whatever, or maybe they don't
have the bye week because they don't have the number
one seed anymore. Regardless of how you look at push
back playoffs so that you'd eat up as Jonah said
that week before the Super Bowl, which apparently they looked
at doing, or they did back, and there's a two
thousand and two, two thousand and one, there's a season
back then where where they had done that for the
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playoffs because to the two thousand one, yeah, well if
you if you, if you did it that way, then
now you're giving all the other teams an advantage as well,
because remember they whatever games were supposed to be playing.
If you give if you if you push it back
a year, put it back a week week, right, then
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that would mean that everybody gets like an extra week. Here,
here's the one thing, and everybody gets a buy now
really yeah. And and also what ends up happening is
because these two this is such a massive game for
the a f C that if you know, Cincinnati wins
this weekend, Buffalo wins this weekend, Kansas City wins this weekend.
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I mean, now you're talking about or if Kansas City loses,
now we're talking about the winner of Cincinnati Buffalo, well,
I mean, Cincinnati would then take over the two seed,
and and and then what do you do in Cincinnati
could actually theoretically Kana City lost and a Buffalo loss,
they would have the tidebreaker over man, if they had
beaten Buffalo and Kansas City, since they already beat them
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there at the sidebreaker of a boat. There's no I mean,
it's just the I hate to say what I think. No,
I don't, I don't hate to say what I think.
I'm gonna say what I think. The bottom line here
is you're not going to move the entire playoffs based
off of this one Pope, this one game that that
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got postponed the way that it did, or or whatever.
It's labeled as so this game is going to I
don't think it's going to be finished. I don't think
it's they're they're not going to finish this game because
you're overloading the bills to play this game. And not
to mention and and the Bengals, these are both highly rated,
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rady to playoff teams. You're not going to take a
week away from like how do you do it? Yeah?
I just don't see how you do it? So you
gotta you gotta go with however you calculated off of
what took place. I mean, in a way, it's no
different than if if it's part of it, it's an
act of God that took place, basically, and and and
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so if it happens that way, you just gotta say, hey,
we could have been the number one rated team, the
number one seed, the team, but you know what, one
of our comrades went down. We weren't able to play
the game. So we're gonna take what our given scenario
is going into the playoffs, and is what it is.
What a crazy year for Buffalo man talk about whether
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I mean everything like like being moved around, snowed in
in Chicago and then you know, seeing what happened, went
to mar Hamlin and now trying to figure out the
finish of this season. And you know, we were looking
at that game against Kansas City that hey, that was
that was massive for them. We talked about the home
field advantage snow games in Buffalo and and here we
are trying to figure out whether or not you're even
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gonna be able to get another game. I hope the
NFL is really factoring in, you know, Sean McDermott and
his team's you know, response to all this, whether it's
about this week, um in week eight teen and just
moving forward and and and how they're trying to create
whatever decision they make moving forward. I hope they're factoring
in all of that. I'm sure they are. I mean,
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I think there's you know, some back and forth between
ESPN and the NFL yesterday about you know who exactly
it communicated the five minute warm up, And as I
said yesterday, uh, it's it's just it's not like Joe
Buck to say something that he wasn't told in that instance,
like he's so good at his job, and and he
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came out and defended himself to Andrew Marshan, who obviously
is part of the New York Post, but as a
podcast and basically said they were in contact of the
league the entire time, and so Troy Vincy can come
out and sit when every once for the NFL. But
we've seen the NFL fumble constantly, and so there's no
doubt in my mind the NFL probably went to a
standard protocol or procedure when they saw a player down
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and communicated that to someone that communicated that to ESPN,
and then became aware of how dire the circumstances were
and probably backed off of that. But it doesn't change
the fact that you know that delay took an hour
and and it just it didn't make any sense while
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the game wasn't canceled immediately, Like I don't think you
needed to have Zach Taylor approached on McDermott to have
both teams go to the locker room and then talk
to them and say we don't need to play this game.
Like good leadership at the NFL, whether it's Troy Vincent
or Roger Goodell, they should have been the ones to
call it and not put them in harm's way. But
that wasn't how it was. Everything transpired. Be sure to
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catch live editions of Two Pros and a Cup of
Joe with Brady Quinn, LaVar Errington and Jonas Knocks week
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Sports Radio and the I Heart Radio on the Field
of Football, And we talked a little bit about this yesterday,
just the phenomenal playoff games that we saw over the
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weekend and also just the performances of some other players
and two of the guys that have been rumored to
be going at the top of the draft four months.
If you go to any of the betting odds, they
would all tell you who's going to be the number
one pick. It's most likely going to be a quarterback.
And two of those guys obviously, Bryce Young and c J. Stroud.
And now upon seeing both of those guys play in
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their bowl games, which by the way, it was funny
to see Alabama go down ten points to Kansas State
and everybody was trying to write off them, Oh, they
don't care about this game, and then Bryce Young just
went out there and just put on a put on
a performance in his final game in Alabama announced he's
leaving to go to the NFL. So now the discussion
becomes where does where did these guys go at the
top of the drafts and been a two man like
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he bawled out. You think he's uh. I don't know
about what his draft status is, but I just know
you see when you see special, you know special dudes,
pretty special. Man like watching it. It's it's so funny
being able to watch like where we were watching the
vantage point. You could look down onto the field, so
you can see the formations. You can see what the
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offense is trying to do, you can see what the
defense is trying to do. You can see what the
reeds are. And your boy Stetson been at bro he
was he was cooking out there, man, he was cooking.
He's made himself into a little legitimate draft prospect. Not now,
I'm not gonna put him up there with the likes
of Bryce Young and c. J. Stroud and Will Levis
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and and those guys, but he's definitely gone for my guy.
That was a good story. And now as I think
being looked at a lot more seriously, probably in the
end of the draft. I mean, look, he's undersized guy
at five eleven pounds, but he's improved his game to
the point where he can make all the throws. He's scrappy,
he's tough, he's a smart kid, he's accurate with the football. Uh,
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he's just streaky from time to time. You know, if
you if you go back and watch that game through,
you know, you'll see sometimes you're like, all right, while
was Ohio State able to come back in this? I
mean there's some Georgia deficiencies, great plays by Marvin Harrison,
but you see a little bit two of a lull
and some of the offense with Stetson Bennett. But again,
he'll he'll be he'll he'll get drafted. You know, I
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don't know before the past couple of years if you
could have said that. And I think anytime you win
a national championship, and obviously if he wins to you
look a little better than you probably actually are, um
just because you're surrounded by so much talent, so many
good players. But he's definitely molded himself into a guy
that you know, maybe he gets looked at and take
it as high as the fourth round, fifth round, or
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maybe they you know, he still kind of gets looked
at as a six seven round guy. But I don't
know that you could have said that before the past
two years he would have even been drafted um given
his size and the skill set. But I mean, Jonas
was kind of looting at C. J. Stroud and and
probably what I had mentioned to him, and I just
I felt like his entire career he never showed what
he showed in that game. I mean his suddenness, the
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way he moved within the pocket, his ability to make
it through tackles and navigate the pocket and get outside
and use his legs. That was something that you know,
you kind of always heard. He didn't want to do it,
didn't really like to do well. In this instance, I
thought he saved his best performance at Ohio State for
the last one. He played outstanding, like absolutely outstanding, and
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gave his team every opportunity to to win that game.
And in my eyes, I put him right there behind
Bryce Young. And I think that's a little bit do
with everything I see in Bryce Young. I think there'll
be other people who now view him as the number
one quarterback in this draft class. And in part because
you don't have the size issues that you are concerned
by the durability with Bryce Young. But I've got them
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as that one, A one being this draft class. Their
film is phenomenal. Stroud's probably the most accurate f in
the pocket of any of these guys, and now with
the ability that he showcase versus Georgia, I I think
I wouldn't be shocked if he wasn't looked at as
the number one overall quarterback. They were coming after him too,
They were challenging him in that game, and he kept delivering,
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and he showed a feel in an understanding, in a
command that to me, it was it was league caliber,
it was franchise league caliber. And I was very I was.
I was very impressed with what c. J. Stroud did
in the game and and how he handled himself. I
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was the biggest disappointment of it was And it's probably
a question it it'll probably be a question that that
the scouts asking and that people want to know, why
didn't you trust him at the end of the game,
because that was a lack of trust or either you
trusted your which I just can't figure out how to
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justify you trusted your kickers so much. You're like, you
know what, We're not gonna try anything else from here.
We're gonna run a little little uh sweep or a
little little dive. We're gonna run a quick, quick, little
slant and that's it. That was it, Like you didn't
give him the opportunity to really like that would have
been the total after that run he made, to put
them where they were at, that would have been a
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total solidification. Maybe he didn't trust who he was throwing too,
which even that seems a little far fetched, but I
think that's probably more so the case than not trusting C. J.
Stroud in that moment my opinion, you know, And I
would agree with that. I totally would, because the first
thing I said, and I said this on the show,
if Marvin Harrison, Um, Marvin Harrison Jr. Is Is still
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in that game, I don't even think that it came
down to that last drive, Like that doesn't come down
to that last drive. I think they went by a
touchdowners so, but he did go out and but they
were able to get back down the field and and
partly in part because he was able to run for it,
but he was delivering the ball like he was finding,
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he was finding the open guys. I just felt like, man,
why you guys go so conservative with with time left?
I think they had a time out left. I believe
I'm resting on it now, but just the way the
scenario was set up, they could have gone aggressive, two
more plays, two more plays, I agree. I mean that
the thing was, I don't think Ruggles had hit a
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fifty or more yarder all season, and that was where
they were sitting, and it was like, I mean, a
college kicker, do you really have that much faith in
a guy too in that moment, with the season on
the line, go and do something that he maybe hasn't
done all season. I mean, I checked the facts on that.
I thought I saw that he was over on the
on the fifty plus yard kicks. But by the way,
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after Kirby Smart called the time out to ice him,
when no Ruggles took his helmet off, he looked like
a guy who was feeling it. Like that moment, he
looks stressed out. Give me a little more of an
example of what exactly that that looks like to those
out there who didn't see it, Just like one of
those like, um, like what would be constipated look, Yeah,
like you could probably say that like almost like man,
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I thought this is gonna be a lot easier, and
now it's not. And now I've got to just wear
this uncomfortableness for a little bit longer. I'll try to
help you, all right. So imagine, all right, So imagine
thinking you were going to get away with fooling around
on your better half, and you're like, there's no way
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anybody saw it. Nobody saw what was going on. And
then all of a sudden, you look over your shoulder
and you realize her best friends it at the bar
top behind you, and you just turn your head the
other way and you start navigating the situation internally and going,
how the hell am I going to get out of this?
What the hell am I going to do to get
out of this? And then you turn around to try
and play it off like it's all smooth, like nobody
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saw anything, Like hey, I didn't know you were there,
only to find out she saw the whole thing. And
that's what that kick represented. It wasn't closed the second
it left his foot. It wasn't. You got to take
it a step further, Jonas, because to be seen would
be one thing. It's the technology that's going to get
you the look like if you saw her phone going
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back into her purse when you turned and realized that
your wife's best friend was there at the place you
were at. H that's the face right there, there's the face.
There's the face. Great point, But we're in there. We're
on the same page, you know what I mean. Look,
he looked uncomfortable. Well that would be way more uncomfortable
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if you saw the technology going back into the purse
or the pocket. Yeah, yeah, that point. Did you guys
think the Kirby smart time out before the fake punt? He?
I know there was some speculation whether or not he
got it in in time, which I believe there's a
bit of a leeway, right like the communications from Kirby
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to the official and then to the snap. There could
be a second or two that's involved there where they
give the coaches the opportunity where the official hurt it
as he goes to communicate it to the other officials.
Even if the snaps taking place, they're like, hey, he
called it before. When that line judge was kind of
waiting and looking at the ball um. I thought, I
thought he got it in time. But the process obviously
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of communicating everyone else led to a bit of maybe
hysteria or confusion as to if he got the time
out in time, because if not, they run that fake punt,
they get a first down, And that's another instance where
you felt like maybe the games in hand for Ohio State,
it's like just procedurally everything felt a little choppy, the officiating,
just the time time management at times clock management, and
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I would say in both games, and we talked about
it yesterday, I don't think they can have either officiating crew. Uh,
they can't be from the SEC or Big Ten. And
the unfortunate part is those are the best two conferences
for officials. So like that came alone, you knew you
were working to get the best officiating because of the
other three Power five conferences, they're all way behind the
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SEC of Big Ten in my opinion, Okay, is it
because they don't trust that they're going to be able
to not be biased? Well, I think there's natural bias though.
I mean, look, I'm not gonna get on my soapbox here,
but you know, when when I was a Notre Dame,
you're an independent, and so every single time we'd play
a team, we'd have their opposing officiating crew. So meanwhile,
when they're over there, you know, glad handing and talking
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to all the officials because they see them every week,
we're like just getting introduced to them. So we might
have a big ten crew that we saw because we
played some big ten teams like once or twice um,
or maybe there's a pack you know PAC twelve or
a PAC ten team you know back then that that
we had been you know, had once or twice. But
for the most part, it wasn't it wasn't really like that,
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like you really didn't have a great relationship with the
officials and it didn't help that they didn't have any
bias for it. And I'm sure like it's human nature
that you want to if you're an officiating crew and
you're watching a team all year and you especially one
that's successful, you'd wanted to see them to continue to
be successful, right, I mean, obviously you want to be
a part of some of those more meaningful games in
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the future, uh, if you can be, And so it
kind of helps, you know, to have that be part
of the case. Let me ask you as a question,
do you think that either Bryce Young or c J.
Stroud are a good enough prospect that if you're the
bear sitting at one or two, you think about going
in that direction moving on to justin field and that's
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nothing to do with them as a prospect. I think
Justin Fields has done enough is what you have right
now to prove that he's the guy. I feel like
Justin Fields did more than or just as much, maybe
not as much as as Bryce Young, but he did
probably more than than Stroud. Urbant Meyer said that uh C. J.
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Stroud sees the field better than Justin Fields like that
he was kind of is not as dynamic of a runner,
and that's true too, to see the field as well
as Bryce Young. So so there you go. So Bryce
Young's that never went over. I'll pick to Houston, right.
I mean that like because he's the favorite right now.
I will say this much about Bryce Young. If he
was six ft three two and fifteen pounds, we would
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be looking at him as as a generational Hey, we
haven't seen a kid like this in the past. Trevor Lawrence,
Oh yeah, easily, I would. I would say he even
sees the field better than him. He the way he
can can shape throws and make throws from awkward body positions,
and just how he sees the field and with his
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timing and anticipation, it is such a unique skill. Sell
I was just talking with a former GM yesterday about it,
and everyone just kind of steps away when you watch
the tape. I'm telling you his accuracy downfield, his accuracy
really everywhere, and just the way he plays the game.
It is so far beyond his his years. It's hard
to put into perspective. But anyone who sits there and
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just sits back and watches like a cut up of
balls throws, you're woud. You are truly woud. And I
think this year too, you know, you go back and
just you see the fact that there's no separation like
you could say in the years past, like Okay, Jameson Williams,
these other guys who are getting separation. They're all these
big plays this year, that one in the case, and
he's putting balls in spots like he threw a touchdown
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pass I believe it was to Jakorey Brooks in the
corner of the end zone this past week. That whole
play action get back and where he put the football.
It doesn't get any better than that, Like it was
a perfect spot. And there's not many guys that can
do that. You know, nine times out of ten, he's
one of those guys that can. So I think the
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world with a kid. I think he's absolutely phenomenal. Whether
or not that will translate to the Houston Texas or
the NFL because of his size, if he's durable enough,
I don't know. Is there anyways out of the top
five just because of his size? Yeah, of course. Why
I thought you were on the Tom Brady well, I
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thought you were rolling on Tom Brady burto. I want
a rookie quarterback, and I'll take Tom Brady. I don't
know that you can have everything, BUTO, I don't know
if you can have your cake and eat it too.
Even though the adult film you just showed me apparently
that oh yeah you got Knock Knock goes the knar
Res movie. Yeah, that was yeah. Yeah, I didn't see
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a whole lot of kile of reeves, a lot of
other things go on. He didn't see his face. Yeah
you um. And also, it's got to go for something
to NFL executives are really dead, noodle um. It's got
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also the fact that Bryan didn't opt out of that game,
went and played knowing, Look, I could be running the risk,
but I want to go play with my guys and
then put up a performance like that. He was fantastic. Man,
So I just think it's awesome. I hated the fact
that like Bama's built themselves up to be like so
hated because people just hate the fact they've had so
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much success. It was at nine straight seasons, they've had
eleven wins or more, whatever the number. And by the way,
the two losses were what by combined what four points? Tennessee, Yeah,
something crazy. I had a friend text me, They're like,
you see all of Bamma's downten nothing and case states this.
I was just like, yes, it's early. I was like,
just let's just pump the brakes there for a second.
And then they just poured it on. And I thought
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to myself, like anyone who's met or been around Bryce Young,
he's probably the most nicest, humble guy. That's it's one
of heisman that's gonna be looked at as the number
one overall pick you'll ever find. Like, literally, I don't
think you could like this kid more. Nothing gets to
his head. He's just very, very grounded with the way
he sees himself and sees the game and football. Um.
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I could go on for about this kid, but he uh,
it'll be interestingly to see what teams think of him
once the draft comes around. And by the way, it
was just a couple of years ago that after watching
a spring game, an Alabama spring game, doing the research,
putting in the work, that Brady Quinn went on the
air nationally and said, Bryce Young is gonna win your
Heisman and he was a tend to one underdog to
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do so, and it paid out big. That's what I'm
talking about. That's Brady Quinn right there. I feel I
feel bad too, because I feel like had he you know,
had they had a more successful season, he probably you're
looking at him winning it again. Yeah, well, I'll be real.
I mean, Caleb Williams was phenomenal this year, but I
think that the award typically goes to the best player
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and the best team, and had Bama been in the
mix for it, he probably has a case to be made,
even as good as Caleb Williams was. Um. But again,
that's that's that's I mean. I heard that part of
the issue was the people that voted on the Heisman.
They were bothered that Bryshon didn't paid his fingernails like that.
That was really the set back there. So had he
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petty painted his fingernails. He would have gotten some more love.
So there's that that it might have been like an
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am five seventy l a sports pee. What's happening? Happy
New Year? I mean it's one week a year. I
mean I realized it's a lot of college football that week,
but it's the one week a year I take off.
I don't I don't have a phone. There. No, we
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we can't take your excuses, man, that that's not we
needed you on. We were looking for you, Petro. So
hope you had a good break, brother. I know how
hard you grind. I mean you you guys at a
four hour so yesterday, right, yeah, and Brady came on, Oh,
Grandy came on the show and we talked about football.
So look, I'm sorry, I don't want I didn't want
to start this out like that. But Jonas you set
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the tone when he did it, which was it was
gonna make some time through the rain in my caftan
down into my basement joined this show. Hey, By the way,
I texted, that was a sweet Hawaii sweater you were
wearing on with with Fred Rogan the other night on
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The Challenge on NBC in l a Yeah, Light Blue
on an homage to my favorite film about Hawaii, Hard
Ticket to Hawaii, the Andy Sadaris vehicle from the late eighties.
That is one of the worst movies of all time.
Some say, but I think it's great, But no, it's
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it's a really cheesy. You guys don't know who Andy
Sedaris was. Andy Sadaris was like he was like an
old sports director from the Louisiana area who went crazy
and took all this money and started making a bunch
of b movies with a bunch of like playboy playmates
and booby models and they shoot people and have their
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boobs out and stuff like that. Uh. Sadaris was a
Greek from Shreveport, just like Tim Brando's from Shreveport. He
died in Beverly Hills. But some of these movies, guys
like Hard Ticket to Hawaii, Savage Beast, Hard Hunted, Guns,
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it's just called guns. By the way, he wrote a book.
Do you know the title of the book. I've got
it here, Bullets, bombs and babes, That's right, I mean,
come on, man. And so there's this movie called hard
ticket to Hawaii. And it's got a song. I mean,
maybe somebody could pull it up. It goes it's a
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hard ticket to Hawaii. It's not a pair of dice
all the time. And a guy gets his head chopped
off with a frisbee in this movie, that's a frisbee.
Well he puts he puts razor blades on it. He
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switches them out when he's throwing with this guard with
a machine gun. This is for the Molokai cops. It's
like a hippies ninja star. It's unreal. Yea. And he
goes nice ass to a girl and she turns around
and goes, you've got a nice as two pilgrims. Yeah,
it's a hard ticket to anyway. That's why I wore
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my squish. Petros, how was your brig? You're terrible every year.
It's the worst. I wish I would have been a time.
Oh yeah, come on, and that right, Jonah oh man,
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all that math? Oh yeah, Petris. Is this similar to
the backside of Catalina? Oh? It's which one? The windy
side of MAUI? Yeah, I mean yeah, I think you
have a lot of fallout people for decades that go
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to Hawaii and just end up pumping gas in Hallolulu
and eventually they end up selling their bodies. It's a
hard ticket. It's fun now now you know, Petros, They
are listening to us in Hawaii right now on Hawaii
Fox Sports, So shout out to them. Alohato has been
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playing a lot of Hawaiian moves. Appears then based on that,
a lot of stuff in the studio, a lot of
people selling their bodies for stuff that we're sitting in studio.
It's a beautiful place, but it's not paradise all the time.
As we know that wasn't paradise for USC. Oh come
on to Lane. I mean, you know what, LaVar. You
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know what when somebody takes the field and I don't know,
it doesn't matter who you're playing, but they start gashing
you like three plays at a time, like it's a
high school mismatch. And that's what Tou Lane was doing
offensively to USC. They they were scoring in three, two,
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four plays and going eighty yards seventy yards. You ain't
gonna win as spectacular as Caleb Williams was and as
good as they did with the time of possession and
possessing the ball because Tu Lane was dropping eight, so
they just forced Caleb to pick him apart and he
looked pretty good. But man USC had some serious issues
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defensively all year and they never improved. They got worse
and worse. They lost their last two games where they
needed to finish strong after the whole college football world
was washing their balls, and all of a sudden everything
fell apart because they just couldn't get off blocks and
the guys that did get off blocks couldn't make the
fan tackle. So it was amazing to see. And you know,
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here's the other thing. I love the city of New Orleans,
as you guys know, and I have some friends there,
and never once in their lives did any of them
ever give an half about two Lane. They hate too Lane.
New Orleans is not a two lane town. New Orleans
is an l s U town. Tu Lane is a
private school where kids like Dodger, GM smart kids from
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the East Coast, Andrew Friedman and stuff. They end up
down there and they end up having a good time,
and it's a great school. It's in the Garden district, Rick,
but it's not a place that the city normally embraces.
And all of a sudden, Tu Lane beats USC and
has revenge for the nineteen two Rose Bowl lost, and
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all of a sudden, all these guys are tweeting me
and texting me pictures of them holding bottles of christall
wearing two Lane sweatshirts. Hey, now we're popping by ad
tou Fee. We're popping bottles down here, And it's like, okay,
really you guys, But I was really it was great
to see and I love to see. The turnaround is amazing.
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Two wins to twelve, as you pointed out on our
show yesterday, And I like that big Willie style, big
Willie Fritz style. He's the guy Willie Fritz that started
Blend Junior College and their dom not started it, but
he started their football programs dominance where they became a
feeder to a bunch of blue bloods and developing talent.
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Cam Newton probably the most prominent from Yeah, yeah, he
would be. And so I thought he did a great
job obviously in the game, and it was tough to
see USC go down like that. Blick and Riley still
has turned to USC football around and changed USC football,
but they have a lot of gaps to fill defensively literally,
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and they have a bit of a bitter taste going
through the off season because of that, and you hate
to see it. It happened to U c l A too,
getting boat raced down the stretch. Uh to your to
your point earlier about the place. Um, they only had
two and only had one drive over eight plays on
offense that entire game. And it was I want to say,
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maybe the final one that end up going for a touchdown. UM,
but pretty interesting. I was listening back and forth, you know,
I have the serious x M. So I was on
my way to a party and I was listening to
the USC call oh god, no, and then you turn
over to the tulane you just hit. But it's caught.
It's history of two late. By the way, on the
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note of the two way people reaching out doing that.
You know who else celebrated like that this year, to
me was USC. So I'm not sure that that there.
You know, some of the fan base there with SC
is not in the same count. I didn't try to
drag my you know what across your grave? Did I know?
Which looks That's the only game I root for USCN
because I love the USC, Notre Dame rivalry. I loved
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playing in it, and I thought it was really special.
So that's usually one of the only games I actually
become like an ex player and the really root for us.
But I didn't. I never go after you about it, Brady.
I know you have enough to deal with already with
all the fight on fingers all, a lot of body,
a lot a lot of all of the body on
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the point of defensive issues they've had, and the issues
that Lincoln in Oklahoma now USC you know Grince was
with him, he brought he brought him with them. Do
you think he's gonna they're gonna keep him. They think
there's gonna be a potential change they're given the lack
of you know, defensive prowess, I guess, or how they
struggled under Lincoln Riley as a head coach. Well, he
(40:15):
hasn't gotten the vote of confidence publicly after the game,
so you never know, it was pretty bad that that
kind of collapse. But I don't think so. I don't
think you'd do that, not after a year of just
slapping the team together. But it does bear to it
(40:35):
bears to reason that a team with a really innovative,
great play calling offensive coach is having a hard time
playing defense. That's not the first time that's ever happened.
I mean, this guy does come from Mike Leach's coaching tree.
Even though Bob Stoops, who's a defensive guy, which is
really great, speaks wonderfully to Bob Stoops and his football
(40:58):
prowess and his ability to stay half. All of these guys,
these air raid types, a lot of them came up
under Bob Stoops, who's a defensive man and all about
that side of the ball. So well, we'll see what
they do. They have personnel problems and obviously problems with
an overall vibe in the unit, but that can't be
(41:21):
fixed with a transfer portal. When you're supposed to be
a good, growing football team, you need to develop guys
from within, develop leadership, have older guys that are really
good with really good practice habits that show the younger
guys how to be when they come into school so
they can one day become those guys. And that's something
(41:42):
that has to kind of feed off itself. And we
don't know how teams are going to handle that as
far as the transfer portal goes, and how much of
that they're going to be able to do. But that's
really the way you build a defense. So we'll see
how USC handles it. Maybe a bit of a high
bred look going forward, or they'll fire the guy, but
(42:03):
I hope they don't. I like him, but obviously one
of the worst performances I've ever seen defensively on what
was supposed to be a promising USC football team. Down
to strat get him on Twitter at the old p
Petros papadgis joining us here on two pros and a
cup of Joe Fox Sports Radios, Petris, I wanted to
ask you, Um, you saw Bryce Young in high school
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and we were when I was impressed with him. We
were talking about he's most likely going to be the
number one overall pick in the draft. Just in comparison
two other quarterbacks you've seen come out of Southern California.
How good is Bryce Young in comparison to all those, Well,
he's as good as far as just being able to
drop back and see it and be calm and deliver
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the football and have some arm talent and do a
bunch of good stuff. He's not like he It's the
interesting thing is Bryce Young is a lot better than
a lot of the dudes that were Gatorade Player of
the Year types before him at at modern day and
I'm talking about modern era, modern day not Matt liner
(43:09):
and era modern day football, which is a big time
high school here in southern California. So Matt Barkley would
be the other one. J. T. Daniels would be the
other one. And those were guys that were there were
really great players, but they were five star quarterback recruits
because of the team they were on a lot like
(43:31):
Heward from Washington. They were guys that could drop back
and deliver it on a really really outlying high school
football team. Uh not like a dude like Trevor Lawrence right,
who walks into the room and you're like, oh my god,
that's a five star quarterback. Like those guys didn't jump
off the page physically. Like to me, if you put
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five stars by a guy, he can't be kind of
a normal looking white guy that looks like a baseball player,
you know what I'm saying, and doesn't have like these
unbelievable physical attributes like speed and all that he could
be a great quarterback. I mean, Tom Brady is not
a five star recruit. He doesn't have measurables. I mean
he could be a great quarterback, but that doesn't mean
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he has all these boxes that he checks as the
best recruit of all time. And Bryce was was better
than those guys. He was more physically gifted than those
guys and a little bit quicker on the trigger than
those guys, and his talent showed even above all of
these special players that he was out there competing with.
(44:36):
So I've thought he was great the whole time. I
think his dad's a great guy, and he's got the
right kind of leadership and his family and that helps
a lot with these young guys who have a lot
of opportunity coming for them, and a lot of opportunity
through the high school time where you knew he was
(44:57):
going to be special. So I think he's been handled perfectly,
to be honest, And uh, I don't know if he's
as big, strong and fast as a guy who you
would normally have us the number one pick of the draft,
But my god, they picked Baker Mayfield first of the draft.
So what you're gonna do? Let me throw this last
one out, no words, No, it's a hot ticket to Hawaii. Yeah,
(45:23):
So you know, I just went watched the Rose Bowl
and I was making jokes about going into the game like,
you know, the ten is going to show you guys
how to handle you know, show us see how to
handle a team like Utah who is known to be
a super super physical team, and they are they are
(45:43):
a very physical group. Um we did out physical them.
Penn State eventually wore them down and out out physical them,
which that's what Michigan probably should have did as well,
but we won't. I won't touch on that. Um to
is looking at the idea that USC and u c
l A Are going into the Big Ten were we
(46:06):
were the third third best team in in the Big
Ten and and we aren't yet at the level of
being as physical as a Michigan or a you know
in an Ohio State. What what is the you know,
was there any type of takeaway from that that, you know,
the most physical team in the pack got man handled
(46:28):
by a ten team. Yeah, I don't. I mean, I
think you can look at a bowl game and say
a lot of things and make a lot draw a
lot of conclusions. I mean, it's a little bit like
the thing that happened in the Buffalo Bills game where
everybody takes this young man's heart event and they turned
it into whatever they have against football or whatever their
(46:50):
platform is to change football or so I think if
you think the Big Ten is a lot more physical
than the Pac twelve, which it is, you can take
this game and say, look at look at what happened,
and oh my god, USC and U c l A
are left and that could very very well be true.
My my inkling is that it's probably somewhere in the middle. Yeah,
(47:12):
because all I mean, you know what bowl games are like,
some teams come out and they just for whatever reason,
and you don't know why. They're well coached teams, they
just don't they don't have a good day. And yeah,
and you tah to not have a good day and
they got beat at the line of scrimmage by another team.
And I've seen, I mean I've seen you talk come
out and do that to Alabama when they're in the
Mountain West. So and Penn State had a great performance
(47:35):
and Franklin finally got uh a lot of what he deserves.
And I think that's great. But you know the rose
but rose pedal bath and all that. But I think, uh,
I think USC and U c l A have a
little bit of adjusting to do as far as how
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they're gonna play, especially deep into the season and those
and as Brady pointed out on our show, it's certainly
gonna be a lot harder to win that conference, even
though neither of them won the Back twelve this year
than than it was the Pack twelve. But I don't
I don't know if that game, standing on its own,
is the evidence that I need to say that, Oh
(48:19):
my god, USC and U. C. L A Are gonna
wilt like a like a piece of lettuce in the sun. Uh.
But but it could very well be true. I mean, USC,
it couldn't stop too Lane, So yeah, you know, I mean,
but they might have it. They might be able to
stop Iowa. What about? What about? Because that's what would
(48:40):
Illinois Britt Bill. I'm just gonna run it down their
throats the little time they're gonna try. Right, When when
when when they were gonna line up and they're gonna
run his own right, They're gonna run his own left.
They're gonna run the power against that. They'll keep doing it.
You're a little excited about it, a a little turned on
by I love I love just watching run the football
out of it. Look, I did the what's your f
(49:01):
and deal? Game with Pete Carol versus Jim Harbaugh. And
that's exactly what Harba did with Toby gerhard He ran,
he ran power until usc quit, literally quit, and then
he ran it in for to get fifty five or
something on a two point conversion. And Pete Carroll's like,
what's your deal? And then Hardball said, what's your f
and deal? And I called that game with the Great
(49:24):
Barry Tompkins, and you know, so, yes it did. It did.
Give me a little bit of a well, what's the
name of that new big U c l A Center? Bona?
Give me a little bit of a bona mccron on
the show today, get him on Twitter, played you get
(49:45):
a bona? Petriss, what about Hawaii? Though it's a hard ticket,
look pay the price for Paradise. Yeah, it's two pros,
Nick up of Joey or Fox Sports Radio Petros. We
appreciate it, uh and we'll do it again next week.
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