January 9, 2023 • 38 mins
On today’s 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, Jonas Knox, Brady Quinn and LaVar Arrington believe the Packers brutal loss to the Lions spells the end for Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay and a new era in Detroit. Lovie Smith gets canned after the Texans beat the Colts and lost out on the 1st overall pick in the Draft. An In Case You Missed It, a betting scandal in Cleveland followed by a pair of firings.
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wanted to apologize my voice is a little raspy. I
was actually, uh choking on my coffee a few moments ago,
and I was just wondering who put the packers in
my cup? So I was just wondering who went ahead
and did that because I couldn't believe what happened. All
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on the table, everything's sitting there, playoff spot on the
table and uh that's a rap? Can I can I
ask you this, LaVar? What's the excuse going to be
this time? I mean, in all seriousness, is there gonna
be excuse from the packers, from Matt Lafleur, from Aaron Rodgers? Like,
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what's the excuse gonna be? You know? I don't know, man.
That was That was one of those type of games
where you're sitting there You're like, oh my gosh, they're
really going to do this They're really gonna lose this game.
I'm really gonna do this there, I'm really gonna lose
this game. I don't know what the excuses, because I mean,
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if I'm watching the same game that everybody else is watching, Um,
both teams had an opportunity to win the game, and
when when the going got tough, the Detroit Lions found
a way to take the lead, and and then they
found a way to ice game. I don't know. I
don't know what the excuses. I really don't. I don't
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know what it is. I give a lot of credit
to to this Detroit Lions team, because I mean we
even saw the the athletic trainer ready to throw down.
Come on, come on, if if you're a player and
you're ever that, you should never do that, you should
never do that. But probably one week you definitely don't
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want to do it. Is just the week after this. Yeah,
you know, I gotta say that's that it's a little
too soon. It was. It was a little too soon
to be, you know, a costing or okay, I won't
say a costing. I'll say it's a little too soon
to be like, Okay, yeah, he moved you out of
the way to get to the player, like, like, Bro,
you could not like it and say you know what, man,
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like like that wasn't cool, you know, or something to
that effect. Like this guy right here, I don't care
what the guy. I don't care what the guy said either.
You know, sometimes the athletic trains will come up the
will kind of forcefully get you out of the way
so they can get to their players. But even then,
like you can't, you can't say anything back to the guy.
But did you see the second player bumped into it?
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Two players that it was just it was just one
of them games. I think the emotions were running high.
But man, Bro, I don't know. I was in shock
when that game ended, Like if you would have told
me a year ago that Aaron Rodgers climbs back into
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the playoff race. Everything as he mentioned was going as
planned to make it into the playoffs and they lose
to the Lions to decide their season. The Detroit Lions
sent Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packards home. I
don't know what type of excuse you could have a
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three win team last year. I mean, I think this
probably says more about Dan Campbell and that organization and
those players, what they built Jared Goff, who we've tried
to tell people who has been the better quarterback the
past tw years, that Jared Goff's been better than than
Matt Stafford has, and he's been healthier, and I would
argue he's been better than Aaron Rodgers this year. And
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I'm happy for Jared Goff and the fact that he
had every reason to have a red ass and be
pissy about the situation and getting traded there, and he's
completely accepted it. They've turned around the organization, their head
in the right direction and going into that game with
nothing to play for except we're going to just try
and ruin the Packers playoff chances because Seattle already won
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their game at overtime, so it was over. And then
to go in there and to do it the way
that they did, I thought it was fantastic. Good for
the Detroit Lions. I hate that they ruined my my
season picked though, like both of my teams are home right.
The Ravens got eliminated to correct, No, no, they play
next week? They played and since yeah, it just don't
look like they're gonna be there long is what it is. Well,
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we'll get to that. Yeah, no, we'll get Yeah. I'm
just saying, you know, my, my, my, My Super Bowl
picks are art. Well, it's one of them is ruled out?
About that? How about one of them is ruining. I'm
not happy about it either, because I felt like, you
know what, yesterday should have been a day for the
goats to to to do their mad you know, like, man,
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you didn't see any of the goats of the question
now I think is as people watch the end of
the game, you saw Jamison Williams who came up there
and Rodgers asked for his jersey jersey and he said, no,
I'm gonna hang on to this one. And the emotional
walk down the tunnel with Randall Cob It seemed like
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Rogers was maybe even emotional before the game. I don't
know it. I got the sense that it's just time.
By the way, did you see the tribute that Rogers
gave to Davante Adam when he was walking through the tunnel,
because he also pushed a cameraman, so you know, like
that was like a little tribute to Davante Adams for
that moment from earlier in the season. I thought it
was really poetic there from Aaron Rodgers. But let's listen
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to Aaron Rodgers talk with the media yesterday. Of course
they're going to be asking him about whether or not
he's going to return, what the plan is moving forward.
Here was the back and forth. I think to assume
it's a foregone conclusion, you know, it would be probably
slightly egotistical. So I'm gonna be a realist here and
understand that there's a lot of different parts to this.
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And like I said, you know, I was aware of
the possibility of them going young if we got no
point where we're out of it, And I'm aware of
that possibility as well. There at timetable was that through
like a date where you want to make your decision
by yeah, I mean, I'm not going to hold him hostage,
you know, I understand. Uh, you know, we're still in
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January here, march's for agency, so we just need some
time to, like I said, get the emotion out of
it and then figure out on what's best. All right,
Teagan or now he's got to be gone. I mean,
I'll put it this way. I don't know if he's
playing for the Packers next year. You know, he could retire.
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He always contemplated that he could be somewhere else. I'll
be curious to see where the other place is. I'm
doubling down. I think he comes back. I think it's
one more year. I think next year is the deciding factor,
I really do. I think next year is the year
that you find out is it truly a carton of
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milk that has spoiled? Or is the magic still there?
Is the milk actually still salvageable? Who can you still
pour that milk into the cereal? Who needs some milk
a little bit? Or you need some milk milk? I
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think it's one more I think it's one more season.
I just think that Aaron Rodgers gets a rise out
of convincing people that like he's like kaiser soul, say
like sup sit yeah, yeah. I think he's just gonna
sit in the interrogation room and he's going to look
at things on the wall, and he's going to make
things up the entire time and talk about the quartet
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that he was a part of back in Guatemala and
how they used to pick you know, coffee beans during
the day and stuff like that. And then he's gonna
come back and he's gonna play and you know what,
Christian Watson, he was out there gigging. He was trying
to get it. You add maybe one that got a
nice back field, You add one more piece, You add
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one more receiver to that team, You add one more
piece to that defense on maybe two and free agency.
I think this team is right back where they needed
to be. I they found themselves, and I think that
made to me if I'm thinking the way Aaron Rodgers
would be thinking, I just think that that was a
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determining factor. If they would have just finished the way
they started. Aaron Rodgers is gone, no doubt about it,
because everybody involved wants that to happen. But the way
they finished out, I just think that it leaves you
with that feeling like, man, like they were close. You
can't sit there and be like, uh, like, you know, Okay,
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they came up short against Detroit Lions to get into
the playoffs, but man, and in a way, it almost
plays to their advantage because they don't look like a
team that would have had a ton of success in
the playoffs. I don't know that they would have this year.
Definitely not San Francisco. We've already seen that storm. Hell,
do you think that was bigger for Detroit or Green Band.
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I would say where they're going Detroit, Like, listen, Detroit,
they've drafted, well, we've talked about that before. They've drafted well,
Dan Campbell. Everybody made fun of Dan Campbell when he
came and he was talking about biting kneecaps and all
the other you know stuff. Yeah, and and and getting
knocked down, getting getting jump into the kneecaps, beating the kneecaps.
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That's always the move try and do. Uh, you're unbelievable
trying to uh, you know, sell everybody on the idea that, yeah,
we've got this head in the right direction. They added
Chris Spielman, they added all these other players from their
past to try and show everybody we're going to do
it different. And I think a lot of people doubted it.
When they brought in Jared Goffe. He was supposed to
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be stop gap quarterback. They bring him in and it's like, well,
he's just gonna be here until they get to a
young quarterback that they're going to draft or move on,
move up with, and then here they are sitting with
another good draft pick. You look at the direction the
Rams are headed in and the direction the lines are
headed in after that trade, and you feel you look
at Aaron Rodgers and the Packers and let's just call
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what it is. Rogers wasn't good this year, Like he
didn't have a good year, and he you know, it's
been a long time since he's thrown for over three
yards whatever that means. That stat has been thrown out there.
But he threw a lot more interceptions. There were a
lot of bad plays. You can argue, if not for
a holding call, he should have had two picks last night. Um,
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I just I look at it and I go it
would not surprise me if he decided I'm good, Like
I understand my body, I understand what's happening here. It
just feels like late in the season he looks old. Well.
I think the tough thing is he's you have to
hold him to his own standard, which was two m
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VP seasons. So it's tough to sit there. And so
he's not playing as well. Now we could say comparison
to what we saw the past two years, there's no
doubt he's not playing as well. You know, if Davanz
Adams would have been there, would that have made a difference.
I don't know. I mean, once Christian Watson came on
in the second half of the season, you sort of
see what he was capable of. But it did feel
like there was just something off about the offense. You know,
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usually when he needed to turn it on, even in
lulls in previous years in his career, he could, and
it didn't seem like that was there for them. I mean,
there was some times and Chris Collinsworth pointed it out
where it was just mis throws or he was just
going somewhere else with the football, and he's like, oh, yeah,
remember the one point coming across the field, Christian Watson
motion across the formation and ended up running up the seam,
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and Collinsworth made a point to come back to it
because instead of throwing to Watson up the scene, he
threw to the outside and and Rogers threw kind of
an errand throw that went out of bounds. And he
made a point to come back and show that. And
I think there was other examples or opportunities where there
were things there for him. And I'm not trying to
be like a Monday morning quarterback. I'm just trying to
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point out that for whatever reason, this offense has just
seemed off, and it just feels like it's time. It
just feels like whatever the case, maybe and honestly, I
do wonder if Green Bay, if if this is it,
if they'll look back to making that decision last year
to keep him and say probably was a mistake. We
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kept them for another year, we paid him, and we
didn't reap any of the benefits out of it. And
now we've got to deal with Jordan Love and we
have no idea what Jordan Love is, and we have
no idea where we're at with the quarterback situation. I mean,
that's the reality they're in right now, is where do
they go. They're not in a position to take a
high draft pick unless a guy falls to them. They'll
have to wait till draft and then you have to tank.
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So maybe they give Jordan Love the season next year.
Either wet. I think this it was very It was
a very telling game for where the Packers are, which,
like it is a big question mark head next year.
Where the Lions are, which I think is building something
for a three win team to a nine win team
and once they get Jamison and Williams mixed in there.
I mean, my goodness, that kid can be special with
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his speed. Yeah, he's pretty quick. And and look, if
you're the Lions, uh, you know, congratulations on the win
you ruin a season. And if you're the Seattle Seahawks,
you are on your way to the playoffs to get
absolutely pistol whipped by the San Francisco from miners. That's gonna,
that's gonna go. That's gonna go for They're gonna. But
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be the best Bears head coach in a long time.
The guy that used to be the head coach for
Houston just got fired? Who got fired after winning the
game yesterday against the Indianapolis Colts, Because that, combined with
the Chicago Bears lost in the Minnesota Vikings, means the
Bears are gonna be picking number one overall in the
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upcoming draft. And I'm still trying to figure out how
Indianapolis that game on that final series they gave up
a fourth and twelve for a big game to put
to put Houston in position to eventually throw on a
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fourth end a hill Mary that was incredibly misjudged by
the Colts defender, only to eventually have the drama play
out of Lovey Smith then deciding at that moment to
oh for it instead of planning for overtime, kicking the
p a t retaining that number one overall pick. You
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think he knew he was getting canned before before the game. Well,
I also probably I would ask you this, had they lost,
is he still getting fired because I don't see, I
don't I don't know, man like dude, because what they're doing.
Cal McNair, after they took the lead, they showed him
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walking on the sideline and he pumped up, Well, he
was pissed because he realized, oh my god, that was
our opportunity to have the number one pick, and now
we fall a spot behind. You know, the Bears probably
aren't taking a quarterback. All these other teams behind Houston
is like, okay, now now that's an option for us.
Duo probably needs a quarterbacks that the colt staring in
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the division that can now move from number four to
number one with the Bears and have their pick of
this year's quarterback ship. That is. That was one of
the more incredible sequences of plays, just to see how
that all came together. And then look, Sam Ellinger, you know,
does whatever he can try and figure out to do
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when they get the ball back and they end up
losing that game. But we're talking like that could look
that moment right there. If Bryce Young is as legit
as everybody says he is, and I mean, come on,
you know, I mean Brady Quinn who called his shot
watching an Alabama spring game a couple of years ago.
He said, he's gonna win the bet your ass and
I ended up paying out ten to one. So you're
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you're welcome on behalf of the lobs is of Brady Quinn.
But when you see Bryce Young play the way he
played finish his college career, and everyone says, all right,
that's the number one pick or c J. Stroud and
then because of what happened, it's just gone because because
Davis Mills and Lovey Smith said I weren't look, our
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jobs aren't certain here, Like Davis Mills supposed to go
saying it was a parting gift. Yeah, Like David smill
is supposed to go out and what crap himself just
so they can draft the guy to replace him. Like
it's like that literally couldn't change the course of the future.
Who's that, you know? Who will take the blame forever
for Houston, Texas Jeff Saturday. Yeah, there's that too. Uh.
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I mean, look, I thought Jeff sat about an experiment
that gone bad. We talked about the milk going bed
in the last you were rooting for for a period
of time. Now I call that, I don't. I don't
recall that. I specifically recall that. So I'm gonna go
ahead and let you spit your piece here now, because
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for a while there you were co signing that and
you are just don't understand why, Jim Er say, would
have but a guy with no type of experience off
of the television set to come in there and coach
a team and think that they were gonna win. I
just don't understand it now, for what it's worth, it
could be a former player, but it could have been
a former player that it was a coach, you know,
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had had years as as an NFL coach, even a
college coach, but none at all, Jeffer say, Jimmer say,
Jimmer say, maybe I'll call you Jeff now because you
made that decision, Jim Saturday, Jeff, there makes no real sensible,
uh type of sense that he would make a decision
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like that. I am miffed, I am I am blown away.
I'm perplexed. I have no idea why he would do that.
And now look at what you did. That lack of
coaching allowed for the Texans to win that game and
jack up their draft status to get a number one pick.
There it is. I mean, now Indianapolis is sitting at
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for I mean, they call the Bears and say, all right,
I mean we've had Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck and
you guys had Deshaun Watson and he turned out to
be a weirdo and then didn't want to play there anymore.
And so now they all the Bears and and maybe
make a deal, and all of a sudden, Indianapolis jumps
over Houston to get Bryce Young and have the quarterback
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of their future. Like it's just to see how that
all transpired. And then there was video of Bears fans
watching the final of that game it Soldier Field and
celebrating because they've got the number one pick. Never mind
the fact that remember that Monday night game in which
the Bears beat the New England Patriots and we were like, man,
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that was an impressive win. And that was the last
one of the season for the Bears. They are atrocious,
but they've got the number one pick, and so Chicago celebrating. Yeah,
my bad, h. I thought I read some earlier in
the week the Vikings were gonna sit there starters, which
I still don't understand the philosophy of playing your starters
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for like a half or three quarters of the game
if you really don't have much to game, because that's
what the getting ready Brady, I mean, at this point
in the season, they need my rest. I can't wait.
But what do we say that with a with the
number of four game the preseason, right when we had one,
was that weas to say, It's like, oh yeah, it
start us need reps for a week one. That's why
we you know, plays guys for half of football. I
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mean you imagine imagine those guys. Yeah, by the way,
I was another one. What a butt kicking? I mean,
my goodness. But there are a number of teams right
Dallas fell into that category. You know, obviously the Vikings did,
which you know in the end really didn't matter. But
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I just I don't get it, Like, what, what's what's
the philosophy there? If you had a starter get hurt.
And we did have the Chargers charges our prime example,
Mike Williams was taken off the field. Her we wasn't
we can't play next week. Like granted is the wide receiver,
it's not the same as Justin Herbert. But I just
I think that's one of the dumbest decisions you can
make as a head coach. Going in the playoffs is
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putting a start in harm's way and not even doing
it for the entirety of the game. If you're gonna
do it, do it, then make sure you send your
guys in that and make sure they go get a win.
But and like to pull them out, I mean, what
was the point of it? Just to keep them fresh?
I just keep them in game mode. You just gotta
get ready, man, I mean you got you got to listen.
You gotta keep them ready to go all right now.
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Who cares that they've been playing football for three months straight.
Gott to keep them ready and gotta keep them ready
for the postseason. That's the only way they're going to
get ready for this. If do you really think that
you need to stay in a rhythm and you need
to do that in order to be ready for a
playoff game, don't you have bigger issues like that? Doesn't
that player doesn't that team of bigger issues. If that's
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your concern, that is a big question. That is a
big question. I mean, I just think that everybody who
played their starters yesterday, I really do think it comes
down to not losing anti any type of momentum or
creating momentum. I think it's a risk. I think it's
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I think at least I think that that's how the
coaches are thinking that taking a risk about imagine imagine
being the charges though like they battle with injuries. Oh year,
they've been a sneaking team for the past few years.
That's a good point. Yes, that's so unfranchise that you go,
you know what, let's go ahead and now let's just
wrap these guys a bubbles to make sure they get there,
like drive safely with a bomb cyclone we've been dealing
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with in southern California and get to the stadium safe.
But so, what do the Texans do now, because now
they're they're one and done with two coaches. Um, obviously
there's a storyline there that that people are pointing out.
Um that you know, Lovey Smith and David Coley have
something in common both Unless I didn't say it, what
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do you mean I didn't say what you were on
point right there, Q was right there with it. We
were all on point. I didn't even have to say anything.
I just you know, I mean, what is that that
they have in LaVar and all? Seriously? Both like football? Hey,
can I ask you this? Knowing now I'm going to
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is it worse LaVar to give both David Colly and
love you Smith the opportunity but just to here and
fire them were now like it felt like David Cauley
never really had legitimate chance. They didn't. And now you
look at Levey Smith and you go that team. See
what you want about Houston, about how many wins they had,
whatever else, they fought. They fought their butts off the
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entire season. They were one of the moore competitive teams.
They fought. So you tell me, is it worse that
they got the opportunity but it wasn't a legit shock
because they only got a year and then they get
caned or what you have said, like they should just
want with someone else in the first place. Oh, that's
a great one. That's that is a great question, que
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And I'm not sure I have the right I would
say they got the opportunity even though they were in
a losing opportunity, they weren't in a great situation and
to have success, especially Kelly, I mean that just was
who that was a debacle with the whole you know
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Watson deal. But with Lovey, I mean they at least
had what a whole entire offseason to prepare. You put
together your strategy and your plan, and you got to execute.
I don't it's hard for Lovey because he's gotten results
as as a head coach for Colley. That was his
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his first, his first go out of I think I
think for for them, you could go either way with it.
You could say they were set up to not to
not you know, have success, and that they it was
going to be too quick that they lose their job.
Or you could have said that, you know what, how
much time do they get because it might this that
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Texans team, they seem like fighting or not. They seem
like they're about three or four years off of being competitive,
let alone like being like winners, are being back to
winning their division. I think they're like four or five
years off. Remember when even being there, Remember when Bill
O'Brien wasn't good enough to be there, coach man. That
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seems like, yeah, he got rid of DeAndre Hopkins. That's
that's I mean, come on, I mean, how you get
rid of DeAndre Hopkins. It's not like he released him.
I mean they did get something in return. Its just
everyone wanted to do the comparison thing and say, well,
you know, look what uh you know, Stefon Diggs got
traded and look what Minnesota got in return. I mean, yeah,
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but they were after that. Yeah, But also I think
the quarterback situation played a role in that, right. I mean,
they had a weirdo a quarterback. The guy was a weirdo.
He signed a contract extension. He signed a contract and
then and then if and then a couple of months later, decided, yeah,
I don't want to be here anymore after he signed
the contract, and everyone everyone tried to blame it. Everyone
(28:55):
tried to blame it on while you know, they trade
away DeAndre Hopkins, what do you expect he signed a
contract after they traded him, Like, I don't want to
hear that crap. So it's like, Bill, they got rid
of DeAndre Hopkins so that the Deshaunt Watson could have
food leadership of the locker room and the offense. That's
what was some of the speculation. Yeah, well, so whether
(29:15):
that was weether that was the case or not, I mean,
I think you look at Arizona this year and obviously
he wasn't there for the first six because a PD violation,
and then down the stretch. I mean, it's it was
odd that the Friday that Colt McCoy ends up having
concussion symptoms a couple of weeks ago, and David Blow,
who just got to the team, was announced as a starter. Shockingly,
(29:38):
DeAndre Hopkins start of having some injury issue. Can he
believe that he just couldn't pa the past, couldn't play
the past couple of games, and it's just I mean,
that's that's that soft toilet, Yeah it is. Uh. Yeah.
So that is the situation at the very bottom of
the NFL, which the Houston Texans thought they were going
(29:59):
to find themselves, only to see that the Chicago Bears
are now picking one in the draft, and now you
got Indianapolis at force and now there's probably gonna be
a battle to see who wants to trade up. Can
I just throw a scenario at you guys, if you're Houston,
you can't risk Indie jumping you for the quarterback that
that you of your choosing there. If you believe that
(30:22):
Bryce Young's your guy, do you trade? Do you call
Chicago much like the Bears did years ago when they
moved up to take Trabiskie. Do you do you trade
away the number two pick to move up to one,
and then also give them the pick you got from
Cleveland this year, maybe the one you got next year,
which is sitting at number twelve right now, because you
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can't let Indianapolis in your division again, Grab one of
the top quarterbacks in the draft, and then set your
franchise back. That's what makes this so fascinating is the
way that game played out. It was so much bigger
than just winning in losing a week a team game,
It literally had everything to do about the future of
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both the franchises and love E. Smith squarely squarely not
only not only helped out the Bears in the sense
of what they can get in return for that number
one overall pick now, but even then just looking at
kind of where those those franchises are at, like Houston's
(31:23):
in a really really difficult spot. He gives up the
number one pig, but then also on top of that,
they're gonna have to give up some picks to get
it back. Yes, I mean just the way that all
was orchestrated upon Lovey Smith, just the big middle finger
on the way out to cal mcnow, oh my god,
and the best beard in all the NFL, Lovey Smith him.
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case you missed this, Mr Bernie cosar Uh supposedly put
down the first ever legal sports bet in the state
of Ohio. Good stuff. Good for him, Yeah, good story, right.
He said he would put all winnings from that from
that bet and donated to charity. But here's the bad news.
Nineteen dollar wager on the Browns. They lost, and on
top of that, they fired him from his pregame radio show.
(34:17):
Oh say, you can't do that, buddy. Oh no, you'd
have to assume he knew that was coming, right, Yeah,
I mean, or maybe not? You think so? You think
he made this bet not realizing that that was the
repercussions you'd face. Come on, he's smarter than that, right,
(34:40):
This is your quarterback from from from Yeah, this is
your boyhood hero. I mean, look, on traft Day, I
had the hutch. Yeah, the hutch, the helt everything which
which I here came with a flask. That's not true,
That's what I thought. Okay, what's the greater offense? Hey,
(35:07):
what's the greater offense? Him laying this bet and then
putting his job unknowingly at risk, or the fact that
he thought the Browns were gonna be Pittsburgh. And I mean, now,
did he get points or was this on? Was this
a money line with only got three? Yes, it didn't matter.
I'm just saying Cleveland and Pittsburgh and nothing on the
(35:28):
line for Cleveland. Everything is still on the line for Pitts.
And because he you know, he wore number nineteen, he
thought he'd be extra cute and go, you know, I'll
do nineteen thousand dollars. He should have done nineteen dollars
if it was nineteen dollars when he still what's the
bigger offense? And a part of it? Yeah, God, what's
the big losing his job? Like that's a residual effect. Man,
I don't know. I think it's worse thinking that Cleveland's
(35:48):
gonna go in there and win that game. Yeah, Cleveland's
not good. Did have a job? Lat bar, You've been
to Venice? A lot of those people around, Come on, man,
there's options was driving around. Oh many people camp on
the streets. Yeah, it's weird. Shopping cart and co are
(36:13):
Oh no, how could you uh? A lot of jobs? Well,
we got least trash and sanitation guys. Bertie was not
the only person fired by the Browns yet. Uh news
just coming down Joe Woods, defensive coordinator. Let go, that's
(36:34):
what the problem was. That's exactly what That's what it was. Okay,
Joe Woods is the reason the Browns are where they
are this year. I mean, never mind the fact that
you know, Jenevion Clowney basically quit on the game. Yeah,
just said, yeah, they're out here trying to get you know,
Biles Garrett to the Pro Bowl. But nobody's paying attention
(36:57):
to me. It's like, all right, well, you've got two
sacks on there, so I don't know, you know, fall guy.
Somebody's gonna be the fall guy there in Cleveland. I
will say this. That's what's been to me one of
the biggest missing pieces. No one. Everyone focuses on the
quarterback position. Their defense up until the second half of
(37:18):
this year was atrocious. It's been atrocious. It has. I
went off earlier this year about it. They were much
improved in the second half. Some of that had to
do with who they were playing and who was playing
quarterback and all that stuff, but they did seem to
be improved to a degree. Although this final game really
didn't matter. But Joe Woods knew this was kind of
run on the wall. I think it said something the
media like if I get the chance to talk to
(37:39):
you guys, get or something. I mean, it just when
you knew your starting quarterback was going to be gone
for the first eleven games of the season, and on
top of that, they lost some of those I had.
I mean that lost against the Jets. I still don't
know how that happened. I still I still don't know
how they let the Jets win that game. Black magic, Yeah,
I mean you just you you saw how this was
(38:01):
gonna go, and and yet here we are. So, I
mean that is an indicator though Stefanski safe, which you
know not I don't. I don't think anybody expected he
was going to get clipped, but there was some rumblings,
but you know, here we go. It's in the hot
seat for next year though, right, Yeah, you'd have to
hot or is it scorching? Yeah? He probably isn't sitting down.
He's not sitting down, no doubt about it. Like a bathroom,
(38:23):
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wanted to apologize my voice is a little raspy. I
was actually, uh choking on my coffee a few moments ago,
and I was just wondering who put the packers in
my cup? So I was just wondering who went ahead
and did that because I couldn't believe what happened. All
(02:01):
on the table, everything's sitting there, playoff spot on the
table and uh that's a rap? Can I can I
ask you this, LaVar? What's the excuse going to be
this time? I mean, in all seriousness, is there gonna
be excuse from the packers, from Matt Lafleur, from Aaron Rodgers? Like,
(02:23):
what's the excuse gonna be? You know? I don't know, man.
That was That was one of those type of games
where you're sitting there You're like, oh my gosh, they're
really going to do this They're really gonna lose this game.
I'm really gonna do this there, I'm really gonna lose
this game. I don't know what the excuses, because I mean,
(02:43):
if I'm watching the same game that everybody else is watching, Um,
both teams had an opportunity to win the game, and
when when the going got tough, the Detroit Lions found
a way to take the lead, and and then they
found a way to ice game. I don't know. I
don't know what the excuses. I really don't. I don't
(03:07):
know what it is. I give a lot of credit
to to this Detroit Lions team, because I mean we
even saw the the athletic trainer ready to throw down.
Come on, come on, if if you're a player and
you're ever that, you should never do that, you should
never do that. But probably one week you definitely don't
(03:30):
want to do it. Is just the week after this. Yeah,
you know, I gotta say that's that it's a little
too soon. It was. It was a little too soon
to be, you know, a costing or okay, I won't
say a costing. I'll say it's a little too soon
to be like, Okay, yeah, he moved you out of
the way to get to the player, like, like, Bro,
you could not like it and say you know what, man,
(03:51):
like like that wasn't cool, you know, or something to
that effect. Like this guy right here, I don't care
what the guy. I don't care what the guy said either.
You know, sometimes the athletic trains will come up the
will kind of forcefully get you out of the way
so they can get to their players. But even then,
like you can't, you can't say anything back to the guy.
But did you see the second player bumped into it?
(04:12):
Two players that it was just it was just one
of them games. I think the emotions were running high.
But man, Bro, I don't know. I was in shock
when that game ended, Like if you would have told
me a year ago that Aaron Rodgers climbs back into
(04:34):
the playoff race. Everything as he mentioned was going as
planned to make it into the playoffs and they lose
to the Lions to decide their season. The Detroit Lions
sent Aaron Rodgers and the Green Bay Packards home. I
don't know what type of excuse you could have a
(04:56):
three win team last year. I mean, I think this
probably says more about Dan Campbell and that organization and
those players, what they built Jared Goff, who we've tried
to tell people who has been the better quarterback the
past tw years, that Jared Goff's been better than than
Matt Stafford has, and he's been healthier, and I would
argue he's been better than Aaron Rodgers this year. And
(05:19):
I'm happy for Jared Goff and the fact that he
had every reason to have a red ass and be
pissy about the situation and getting traded there, and he's
completely accepted it. They've turned around the organization, their head
in the right direction and going into that game with
nothing to play for except we're going to just try
and ruin the Packers playoff chances because Seattle already won
(05:42):
their game at overtime, so it was over. And then
to go in there and to do it the way
that they did, I thought it was fantastic. Good for
the Detroit Lions. I hate that they ruined my my
season picked though, like both of my teams are home right.
The Ravens got eliminated to correct, No, no, they play
next week? They played and since yeah, it just don't
look like they're gonna be there long is what it is. Well,
(06:03):
we'll get to that. Yeah, no, we'll get Yeah. I'm
just saying, you know, my, my, my, My Super Bowl
picks are art. Well, it's one of them is ruled out?
About that? How about one of them is ruining. I'm
not happy about it either, because I felt like, you
know what, yesterday should have been a day for the
goats to to to do their mad you know, like, man,
(06:27):
you didn't see any of the goats of the question
now I think is as people watch the end of
the game, you saw Jamison Williams who came up there
and Rodgers asked for his jersey jersey and he said, no,
I'm gonna hang on to this one. And the emotional
walk down the tunnel with Randall Cob It seemed like
(06:47):
Rogers was maybe even emotional before the game. I don't
know it. I got the sense that it's just time.
By the way, did you see the tribute that Rogers
gave to Davante Adam when he was walking through the tunnel,
because he also pushed a cameraman, so you know, like
that was like a little tribute to Davante Adams for
that moment from earlier in the season. I thought it
was really poetic there from Aaron Rodgers. But let's listen
(07:10):
to Aaron Rodgers talk with the media yesterday. Of course
they're going to be asking him about whether or not
he's going to return, what the plan is moving forward.
Here was the back and forth. I think to assume
it's a foregone conclusion, you know, it would be probably
slightly egotistical. So I'm gonna be a realist here and
understand that there's a lot of different parts to this.
(07:32):
And like I said, you know, I was aware of
the possibility of them going young if we got no
point where we're out of it, And I'm aware of
that possibility as well. There at timetable was that through
like a date where you want to make your decision
by yeah, I mean, I'm not going to hold him hostage,
you know, I understand. Uh, you know, we're still in
(07:52):
January here, march's for agency, so we just need some
time to, like I said, get the emotion out of
it and then figure out on what's best. All right,
Teagan or now he's got to be gone. I mean,
I'll put it this way. I don't know if he's
playing for the Packers next year. You know, he could retire.
(08:13):
He always contemplated that he could be somewhere else. I'll
be curious to see where the other place is. I'm
doubling down. I think he comes back. I think it's
one more year. I think next year is the deciding factor,
I really do. I think next year is the year
that you find out is it truly a carton of
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milk that has spoiled? Or is the magic still there?
Is the milk actually still salvageable? Who can you still
pour that milk into the cereal? Who needs some milk
a little bit? Or you need some milk milk? I
(08:59):
think it's one more I think it's one more season.
I just think that Aaron Rodgers gets a rise out
of convincing people that like he's like kaiser soul, say
like sup sit yeah, yeah. I think he's just gonna
sit in the interrogation room and he's going to look
at things on the wall, and he's going to make
things up the entire time and talk about the quartet
(09:22):
that he was a part of back in Guatemala and
how they used to pick you know, coffee beans during
the day and stuff like that. And then he's gonna
come back and he's gonna play and you know what,
Christian Watson, he was out there gigging. He was trying
to get it. You add maybe one that got a
nice back field, You add one more piece, You add
(09:47):
one more receiver to that team, You add one more
piece to that defense on maybe two and free agency.
I think this team is right back where they needed
to be. I they found themselves, and I think that
made to me if I'm thinking the way Aaron Rodgers
would be thinking, I just think that that was a
(10:08):
determining factor. If they would have just finished the way
they started. Aaron Rodgers is gone, no doubt about it,
because everybody involved wants that to happen. But the way
they finished out, I just think that it leaves you
with that feeling like, man, like they were close. You
can't sit there and be like, uh, like, you know, Okay,
(10:29):
they came up short against Detroit Lions to get into
the playoffs, but man, and in a way, it almost
plays to their advantage because they don't look like a
team that would have had a ton of success in
the playoffs. I don't know that they would have this year.
Definitely not San Francisco. We've already seen that storm. Hell,
do you think that was bigger for Detroit or Green Band.
(10:53):
I would say where they're going Detroit, Like, listen, Detroit,
they've drafted, well, we've talked about that before. They've drafted well,
Dan Campbell. Everybody made fun of Dan Campbell when he
came and he was talking about biting kneecaps and all
the other you know stuff. Yeah, and and and getting
knocked down, getting getting jump into the kneecaps, beating the kneecaps.
(11:17):
That's always the move try and do. Uh, you're unbelievable
trying to uh, you know, sell everybody on the idea that, yeah,
we've got this head in the right direction. They added
Chris Spielman, they added all these other players from their
past to try and show everybody we're going to do
it different. And I think a lot of people doubted it.
When they brought in Jared Goffe. He was supposed to
(11:38):
be stop gap quarterback. They bring him in and it's like, well,
he's just gonna be here until they get to a
young quarterback that they're going to draft or move on,
move up with, and then here they are sitting with
another good draft pick. You look at the direction the
Rams are headed in and the direction the lines are
headed in after that trade, and you feel you look
at Aaron Rodgers and the Packers and let's just call
(11:59):
what it is. Rogers wasn't good this year, Like he
didn't have a good year, and he you know, it's
been a long time since he's thrown for over three
yards whatever that means. That stat has been thrown out there.
But he threw a lot more interceptions. There were a
lot of bad plays. You can argue, if not for
a holding call, he should have had two picks last night. Um,
(12:19):
I just I look at it and I go it
would not surprise me if he decided I'm good, Like
I understand my body, I understand what's happening here. It
just feels like late in the season he looks old. Well.
I think the tough thing is he's you have to
hold him to his own standard, which was two m
(12:40):
VP seasons. So it's tough to sit there. And so
he's not playing as well. Now we could say comparison
to what we saw the past two years, there's no
doubt he's not playing as well. You know, if Davanz
Adams would have been there, would that have made a difference.
I don't know. I mean, once Christian Watson came on
in the second half of the season, you sort of
see what he was capable of. But it did feel
like there was just something off about the offense. You know,
(13:02):
usually when he needed to turn it on, even in
lulls in previous years in his career, he could, and
it didn't seem like that was there for them. I mean,
there was some times and Chris Collinsworth pointed it out
where it was just mis throws or he was just
going somewhere else with the football, and he's like, oh, yeah,
remember the one point coming across the field, Christian Watson
motion across the formation and ended up running up the seam,
(13:24):
and Collinsworth made a point to come back to it
because instead of throwing to Watson up the scene, he
threw to the outside and and Rogers threw kind of
an errand throw that went out of bounds. And he
made a point to come back and show that. And
I think there was other examples or opportunities where there
were things there for him. And I'm not trying to
be like a Monday morning quarterback. I'm just trying to
(13:44):
point out that for whatever reason, this offense has just
seemed off, and it just feels like it's time. It
just feels like whatever the case, maybe and honestly, I
do wonder if Green Bay, if if this is it,
if they'll look back to making that decision last year
to keep him and say probably was a mistake. We
(14:06):
kept them for another year, we paid him, and we
didn't reap any of the benefits out of it. And
now we've got to deal with Jordan Love and we
have no idea what Jordan Love is, and we have
no idea where we're at with the quarterback situation. I mean,
that's the reality they're in right now, is where do
they go. They're not in a position to take a
high draft pick unless a guy falls to them. They'll
have to wait till draft and then you have to tank.
(14:27):
So maybe they give Jordan Love the season next year.
Either wet. I think this it was very It was
a very telling game for where the Packers are, which,
like it is a big question mark head next year.
Where the Lions are, which I think is building something
for a three win team to a nine win team
and once they get Jamison and Williams mixed in there.
I mean, my goodness, that kid can be special with
(14:48):
his speed. Yeah, he's pretty quick. And and look, if
you're the Lions, uh, you know, congratulations on the win
you ruin a season. And if you're the Seattle Seahawks,
you are on your way to the playoffs to get
absolutely pistol whipped by the San Francisco from miners. That's gonna,
that's gonna go. That's gonna go for They're gonna. But
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(17:03):
be the best Bears head coach in a long time.
The guy that used to be the head coach for
Houston just got fired? Who got fired after winning the
game yesterday against the Indianapolis Colts, Because that, combined with
the Chicago Bears lost in the Minnesota Vikings, means the
Bears are gonna be picking number one overall in the
(17:25):
upcoming draft. And I'm still trying to figure out how
Indianapolis that game on that final series they gave up
a fourth and twelve for a big game to put
to put Houston in position to eventually throw on a
(17:46):
fourth end a hill Mary that was incredibly misjudged by
the Colts defender, only to eventually have the drama play
out of Lovey Smith then deciding at that moment to
oh for it instead of planning for overtime, kicking the
p a t retaining that number one overall pick. You
(18:07):
think he knew he was getting canned before before the game. Well,
I also probably I would ask you this, had they lost,
is he still getting fired because I don't see, I
don't I don't know, man like dude, because what they're doing.
Cal McNair, after they took the lead, they showed him
(18:28):
walking on the sideline and he pumped up, Well, he
was pissed because he realized, oh my god, that was
our opportunity to have the number one pick, and now
we fall a spot behind. You know, the Bears probably
aren't taking a quarterback. All these other teams behind Houston
is like, okay, now now that's an option for us.
Duo probably needs a quarterbacks that the colt staring in
(18:52):
the division that can now move from number four to
number one with the Bears and have their pick of
this year's quarterback ship. That is. That was one of
the more incredible sequences of plays, just to see how
that all came together. And then look, Sam Ellinger, you know,
does whatever he can try and figure out to do
(19:12):
when they get the ball back and they end up
losing that game. But we're talking like that could look
that moment right there. If Bryce Young is as legit
as everybody says he is, and I mean, come on,
you know, I mean Brady Quinn who called his shot
watching an Alabama spring game a couple of years ago.
He said, he's gonna win the bet your ass and
I ended up paying out ten to one. So you're
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you're welcome on behalf of the lobs is of Brady Quinn.
But when you see Bryce Young play the way he
played finish his college career, and everyone says, all right,
that's the number one pick or c J. Stroud and
then because of what happened, it's just gone because because
Davis Mills and Lovey Smith said I weren't look, our
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jobs aren't certain here, Like Davis Mills supposed to go
saying it was a parting gift. Yeah, Like David smill
is supposed to go out and what crap himself just
so they can draft the guy to replace him. Like
it's like that literally couldn't change the course of the future.
Who's that, you know? Who will take the blame forever
for Houston, Texas Jeff Saturday. Yeah, there's that too. Uh.
(20:21):
I mean, look, I thought Jeff sat about an experiment
that gone bad. We talked about the milk going bed
in the last you were rooting for for a period
of time. Now I call that, I don't. I don't
recall that. I specifically recall that. So I'm gonna go
ahead and let you spit your piece here now, because
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for a while there you were co signing that and
you are just don't understand why, Jim Er say, would
have but a guy with no type of experience off
of the television set to come in there and coach
a team and think that they were gonna win. I
just don't understand it now, for what it's worth, it
could be a former player, but it could have been
a former player that it was a coach, you know,
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had had years as as an NFL coach, even a
college coach, but none at all, Jeffer say, Jimmer say,
Jimmer say, maybe I'll call you Jeff now because you
made that decision, Jim Saturday, Jeff, there makes no real sensible,
uh type of sense that he would make a decision
(21:26):
like that. I am miffed, I am I am blown away.
I'm perplexed. I have no idea why he would do that.
And now look at what you did. That lack of
coaching allowed for the Texans to win that game and
jack up their draft status to get a number one pick.
There it is. I mean, now Indianapolis is sitting at
(21:46):
for I mean, they call the Bears and say, all right,
I mean we've had Peyton Manning and Andrew Luck and
you guys had Deshaun Watson and he turned out to
be a weirdo and then didn't want to play there anymore.
And so now they all the Bears and and maybe
make a deal, and all of a sudden, Indianapolis jumps
over Houston to get Bryce Young and have the quarterback
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of their future. Like it's just to see how that
all transpired. And then there was video of Bears fans
watching the final of that game it Soldier Field and
celebrating because they've got the number one pick. Never mind
the fact that remember that Monday night game in which
the Bears beat the New England Patriots and we were like, man,
(22:28):
that was an impressive win. And that was the last
one of the season for the Bears. They are atrocious,
but they've got the number one pick, and so Chicago celebrating. Yeah,
my bad, h. I thought I read some earlier in
the week the Vikings were gonna sit there starters, which
I still don't understand the philosophy of playing your starters
(22:49):
for like a half or three quarters of the game
if you really don't have much to game, because that's
what the getting ready Brady, I mean, at this point
in the season, they need my rest. I can't wait.
But what do we say that with a with the
number of four game the preseason, right when we had one,
was that weas to say, It's like, oh yeah, it
start us need reps for a week one. That's why
we you know, plays guys for half of football. I
(23:10):
mean you imagine imagine those guys. Yeah, by the way,
I was another one. What a butt kicking? I mean,
my goodness. But there are a number of teams right
Dallas fell into that category. You know, obviously the Vikings did,
which you know in the end really didn't matter. But
(23:31):
I just I don't get it, Like, what, what's what's
the philosophy there? If you had a starter get hurt.
And we did have the Chargers charges our prime example,
Mike Williams was taken off the field. Her we wasn't
we can't play next week. Like granted is the wide receiver,
it's not the same as Justin Herbert. But I just
I think that's one of the dumbest decisions you can
make as a head coach. Going in the playoffs is
(23:51):
putting a start in harm's way and not even doing
it for the entirety of the game. If you're gonna
do it, do it, then make sure you send your
guys in that and make sure they go get a win.
But and like to pull them out, I mean, what
was the point of it? Just to keep them fresh?
I just keep them in game mode. You just gotta
get ready, man, I mean you got you got to listen.
You gotta keep them ready to go all right now.
(24:11):
Who cares that they've been playing football for three months straight.
Gott to keep them ready and gotta keep them ready
for the postseason. That's the only way they're going to
get ready for this. If do you really think that
you need to stay in a rhythm and you need
to do that in order to be ready for a
playoff game, don't you have bigger issues like that? Doesn't
that player doesn't that team of bigger issues. If that's
(24:32):
your concern, that is a big question. That is a
big question. I mean, I just think that everybody who
played their starters yesterday, I really do think it comes
down to not losing anti any type of momentum or
creating momentum. I think it's a risk. I think it's
(24:54):
I think at least I think that that's how the
coaches are thinking that taking a risk about imagine imagine
being the charges though like they battle with injuries. Oh year,
they've been a sneaking team for the past few years.
That's a good point. Yes, that's so unfranchise that you go,
you know what, let's go ahead and now let's just
wrap these guys a bubbles to make sure they get there,
like drive safely with a bomb cyclone we've been dealing
(25:17):
with in southern California and get to the stadium safe.
But so, what do the Texans do now, because now
they're they're one and done with two coaches. Um, obviously
there's a storyline there that that people are pointing out.
Um that you know, Lovey Smith and David Coley have
something in common both Unless I didn't say it, what
(25:39):
do you mean I didn't say what you were on
point right there, Q was right there with it. We
were all on point. I didn't even have to say anything.
I just you know, I mean, what is that that
they have in LaVar and all? Seriously? Both like football? Hey,
can I ask you this? Knowing now I'm going to
(26:01):
is it worse LaVar to give both David Colly and
love you Smith the opportunity but just to here and
fire them were now like it felt like David Cauley
never really had legitimate chance. They didn't. And now you
look at Levey Smith and you go that team. See
what you want about Houston, about how many wins they had,
whatever else, they fought. They fought their butts off the
(26:21):
entire season. They were one of the moore competitive teams.
They fought. So you tell me, is it worse that
they got the opportunity but it wasn't a legit shock
because they only got a year and then they get
caned or what you have said, like they should just
want with someone else in the first place. Oh, that's
a great one. That's that is a great question, que
(26:46):
And I'm not sure I have the right I would
say they got the opportunity even though they were in
a losing opportunity, they weren't in a great situation and
to have success, especially Kelly, I mean that just was
who that was a debacle with the whole you know
(27:08):
Watson deal. But with Lovey, I mean they at least
had what a whole entire offseason to prepare. You put
together your strategy and your plan, and you got to execute.
I don't it's hard for Lovey because he's gotten results
as as a head coach for Colley. That was his
(27:29):
his first, his first go out of I think I
think for for them, you could go either way with it.
You could say they were set up to not to
not you know, have success, and that they it was
going to be too quick that they lose their job.
Or you could have said that, you know what, how
much time do they get because it might this that
(27:50):
Texans team, they seem like fighting or not. They seem
like they're about three or four years off of being competitive,
let alone like being like winners, are being back to
winning their division. I think they're like four or five
years off. Remember when even being there, Remember when Bill
O'Brien wasn't good enough to be there, coach man. That
(28:11):
seems like, yeah, he got rid of DeAndre Hopkins. That's
that's I mean, come on, I mean, how you get
rid of DeAndre Hopkins. It's not like he released him.
I mean they did get something in return. Its just
everyone wanted to do the comparison thing and say, well,
you know, look what uh you know, Stefon Diggs got
traded and look what Minnesota got in return. I mean, yeah,
(28:33):
but they were after that. Yeah, But also I think
the quarterback situation played a role in that, right. I mean,
they had a weirdo a quarterback. The guy was a weirdo.
He signed a contract extension. He signed a contract and
then and then if and then a couple of months later, decided, yeah,
I don't want to be here anymore after he signed
the contract, and everyone everyone tried to blame it. Everyone
(28:55):
tried to blame it on while you know, they trade
away DeAndre Hopkins, what do you expect he signed a
contract after they traded him, Like, I don't want to
hear that crap. So it's like, Bill, they got rid
of DeAndre Hopkins so that the Deshaunt Watson could have
food leadership of the locker room and the offense. That's
what was some of the speculation. Yeah, well, so whether
(29:15):
that was weether that was the case or not, I mean,
I think you look at Arizona this year and obviously
he wasn't there for the first six because a PD violation,
and then down the stretch. I mean, it's it was
odd that the Friday that Colt McCoy ends up having
concussion symptoms a couple of weeks ago, and David Blow,
who just got to the team, was announced as a starter. Shockingly,
(29:38):
DeAndre Hopkins start of having some injury issue. Can he
believe that he just couldn't pa the past, couldn't play
the past couple of games, and it's just I mean,
that's that's that soft toilet, Yeah it is. Uh. Yeah.
So that is the situation at the very bottom of
the NFL, which the Houston Texans thought they were going
(29:59):
to find themselves, only to see that the Chicago Bears
are now picking one in the draft, and now you
got Indianapolis at force and now there's probably gonna be
a battle to see who wants to trade up. Can
I just throw a scenario at you guys, if you're Houston,
you can't risk Indie jumping you for the quarterback that
that you of your choosing there. If you believe that
(30:22):
Bryce Young's your guy, do you trade? Do you call
Chicago much like the Bears did years ago when they
moved up to take Trabiskie. Do you do you trade
away the number two pick to move up to one,
and then also give them the pick you got from
Cleveland this year, maybe the one you got next year,
which is sitting at number twelve right now, because you
(30:43):
can't let Indianapolis in your division again, Grab one of
the top quarterbacks in the draft, and then set your
franchise back. That's what makes this so fascinating is the
way that game played out. It was so much bigger
than just winning in losing a week a team game,
It literally had everything to do about the future of
(31:03):
both the franchises and love E. Smith squarely squarely not
only not only helped out the Bears in the sense
of what they can get in return for that number
one overall pick now, but even then just looking at
kind of where those those franchises are at, like Houston's
(31:23):
in a really really difficult spot. He gives up the
number one pig, but then also on top of that,
they're gonna have to give up some picks to get
it back. Yes, I mean just the way that all
was orchestrated upon Lovey Smith, just the big middle finger
on the way out to cal mcnow, oh my god,
and the best beard in all the NFL, Lovey Smith him.
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(33:54):
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down the first ever legal sports bet in the state
of Ohio. Good stuff. Good for him, Yeah, good story, right.
He said he would put all winnings from that from
that bet and donated to charity. But here's the bad news.
Nineteen dollar wager on the Browns. They lost, and on
top of that, they fired him from his pregame radio show.
(34:17):
Oh say, you can't do that, buddy. Oh no, you'd
have to assume he knew that was coming, right, Yeah,
I mean, or maybe not? You think so? You think
he made this bet not realizing that that was the
repercussions you'd face. Come on, he's smarter than that, right,
(34:40):
This is your quarterback from from from Yeah, this is
your boyhood hero. I mean, look, on traft Day, I
had the hutch. Yeah, the hutch, the helt everything which
which I here came with a flask. That's not true,
That's what I thought. Okay, what's the greater offense? Hey,
(35:07):
what's the greater offense? Him laying this bet and then
putting his job unknowingly at risk, or the fact that
he thought the Browns were gonna be Pittsburgh. And I mean, now,
did he get points or was this on? Was this
a money line with only got three? Yes, it didn't matter.
I'm just saying Cleveland and Pittsburgh and nothing on the
(35:28):
line for Cleveland. Everything is still on the line for Pitts.
And because he you know, he wore number nineteen, he
thought he'd be extra cute and go, you know, I'll
do nineteen thousand dollars. He should have done nineteen dollars
if it was nineteen dollars when he still what's the
bigger offense? And a part of it? Yeah, God, what's
the big losing his job? Like that's a residual effect. Man,
I don't know. I think it's worse thinking that Cleveland's
(35:48):
gonna go in there and win that game. Yeah, Cleveland's
not good. Did have a job? Lat bar, You've been
to Venice? A lot of those people around, Come on, man,
there's options was driving around. Oh many people camp on
the streets. Yeah, it's weird. Shopping cart and co are
(36:13):
Oh no, how could you uh? A lot of jobs? Well,
we got least trash and sanitation guys. Bertie was not
the only person fired by the Browns yet. Uh news
just coming down Joe Woods, defensive coordinator. Let go, that's
(36:34):
what the problem was. That's exactly what That's what it was. Okay,
Joe Woods is the reason the Browns are where they
are this year. I mean, never mind the fact that
you know, Jenevion Clowney basically quit on the game. Yeah,
just said, yeah, they're out here trying to get you know,
Biles Garrett to the Pro Bowl. But nobody's paying attention
(36:57):
to me. It's like, all right, well, you've got two
sacks on there, so I don't know, you know, fall guy.
Somebody's gonna be the fall guy there in Cleveland. I
will say this. That's what's been to me one of
the biggest missing pieces. No one. Everyone focuses on the
quarterback position. Their defense up until the second half of
(37:18):
this year was atrocious. It's been atrocious. It has. I
went off earlier this year about it. They were much
improved in the second half. Some of that had to
do with who they were playing and who was playing
quarterback and all that stuff, but they did seem to
be improved to a degree. Although this final game really
didn't matter. But Joe Woods knew this was kind of
run on the wall. I think it said something the
media like if I get the chance to talk to
(37:39):
you guys, get or something. I mean, it just when
you knew your starting quarterback was going to be gone
for the first eleven games of the season, and on
top of that, they lost some of those I had.
I mean that lost against the Jets. I still don't
know how that happened. I still I still don't know
how they let the Jets win that game. Black magic, Yeah,
I mean you just you you saw how this was
(38:01):
gonna go, and and yet here we are. So, I
mean that is an indicator though Stefanski safe, which you
know not I don't. I don't think anybody expected he
was going to get clipped, but there was some rumblings,
but you know, here we go. It's in the hot
seat for next year though, right, Yeah, you'd have to
hot or is it scorching? Yeah? He probably isn't sitting down.
He's not sitting down, no doubt about it. Like a bathroom,
(38:23):
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