January 20, 2023 • 39 mins
It’s a Football Friday on 2 Pros and a Cup of Joe, and the guys debate whether it’s reasonable for Lamar Jackson to demand Deshaun Watson money. Vikings try to repair their “diaper-fire defense.” Plus, high paid coordinators, meathead weightlifting, longevity for an NFC defender, an update on the Pro Bowl and much more!
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come on, come on, throw up burn I'll throw them off.
Come on, come on? Does that make you kill go?
Every time? Every time he didn't do he didn't he
didn't throw the When he does throw the hooks, one
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of them kind of goes there and it's like it's
like he's got to follow through on his jump shot.
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this weekend. Huh big time? Just like messing around with
what jonases bits these days? Can you do it one
more time? You got? You got the mic on? No,
you gotta do it away from no No. I actually
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like his way better. It sounds better. Yeah, I got
a little bit of depth. Have you been a hold on?
Have you been practicing this? I love it? I actually
think I liked them. I like the way he does
it better. Jo What you just say to me, how
Darren you might need to change the technique. That's a trademark.
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I'm just saying I think I liked the way LaVar
does it better. I mean, yeah, that makes me feel
like a long time radio wife. And now now we
brought someone else in the true him yelling into the
mics better than me. How dare you you sell out?
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That's unbelievable. It actually better, by the way, I forgot
to tell you guys, it's a football Friday. Yeah, yeah,
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don't borrow, don't borrow? Whoa it was? Jonas ha ha,
don't one more time running back? Yeah? Now the way
you say LaVar is better, though. Yeah. I need that
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as a drop. That needs to be my ring tone.
Can anybody else on the show say it like that
other than Burnop? Anybody want to drow? You know that's
my name and I can't trick it out that way
I can Nope. Who can do it? Coop? Do it? Justin? Cooper?
Do it? All right? Oh? I thought we were joking.
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I can do it better than him. Let's heart, let's
hear it. Lavarre the jail. That's how you do it.
Do it in jalis go. So you guys want to
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hear the latest speculation on Lamar Jackson all right here
on a football Friday, Hold on, hold on, yes, well yeah,
we're just jumping right into it. Well, I mean, like
why not? I mean, I mean you got something John
Harbaugh was you know, trap happened? Like, let's let's set
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this up a little. Let's set it up. I mean,
like the offensive coordinator who got another on the first off?
Did anyone know Greg Roman was making three point five
million dollars? Is he really for him three? I've I
mean people people like don't really know what some coaches
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are making. What we say, Sean Payton is trying to
make five that's what he wants out of this next one.
You're paying offensive coordinators three point five million dollars? Now,
when did this happen? I mean I didn't know that
it even got that high. Who else is even in
the conversation. That's the thing is, I don't know. This
stuff is like public knowledge till these guys get canned
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and they go, oh, okay, they're getting paid that much. Yeah,
I guess if you're not doing a good job, you
can see why you don't get a whole lot of leeway.
Three five million reasons Why that's so you'll you'll take
that I mean anyway? Sorry, yeah, well no, I mean
I had no idea he was making three half No idea.
That's actually unbelievable. That's like hit coaches salary, that's I mean,
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people were outraged by what Brett Venables was making it Clemson,
which is like what two million a year is a
defensive coordinator or something like that, and they thought, man,
he's making two million a year and then you you
look at the NFL level and you've got Greg Roman
who's making three and a half. I had no idea.
That's that's Uh. By the way, those guys have to
recruiting stuff in college. If I justify the workload three
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and a half really wow. Alright, well, well that's three
and a half million dollars. It's off the books. Now,
that's no luck because Greg Roman, uh quota quote unquote
stepped down as offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, which
makes them easier to hire. I'm just wondering that if
Tyler Huntley doesn't bumble the ball at the one inch line,
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does Greg Roman still get clipped? Yeah? Like so just
it's funny. How then J. K. Dobbins came out and said, basically,
I'm tired of Greg Roman not giving me the ball,
Like I'm really tired of this. I mean not even
what he said, but that's kind of what he said. Okay,
basically that's the gist of it. I mean, that was
the gist of it. Give me the ball and uh so,
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I mean, who knows, maybe they needed to say the
three and a half million dollars because they're gonna try
and you know, work that in somewhere to to figure
out how they can pay Lamar Jackson. Aren't applicable when
it comes to that. But um, if anybody would like
an update on how the Baltimore Ravens and John Harbaugh
feel about Lamar Jackson and whether or not he's going
to be back next year. Uh John Harbor, the head
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coach of the Ravens, he went ahead and he put
a percentage to it and also let everybody know Lamar
is going to be part of the conversation when it
comes to the offensive coordinator. He's going to have some say.
Here was the Ravens head coach hundred percent. You know,
there's no question about it. Lamar Jackson is our quarterback
and he's been our quarterback. Everything we've done in terms
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of building our offense and building our team, how we
think in terms of people and put people around him
is based on this incredible young man in his talent,
his ability and his competitiveness. You know, I've loved Lamar.
Eric loves Lamar, and uh. It's not going to change
in the future. So I don't know anything about the
details of the whole thing, but I know one thing.
I'm like all the fans out there and everybody else.
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You know, I'll have my fingers crossing, my toes crossed,
and I'll be saying prayers, and I have every faith
that's gonna get done and and uh, and we've got
the best people in the world doing it. Eric wants
him here. I want him here, Steve wants him here,
and Lamar wants to be here. It's gonna work out.
Greg's a great coach and he did the best he could.
We leave that era, you know, we moved into the
next are now in terms of our offense, and uh,
and I did. I did ask Lamar about it, you know.
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And and he will be involved in it, you know.
I'll keep him abreast of what's going on, and I'm
sure he'll have some input along the way. But I
know his focus, like he told me, he's gonna be
on getting himself ready and getting his guys ready. I'm confused, optimism.
I'm confused opism. Did he just name everybody that's involved
in this deal getting done? He named everybody right? Pretty
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much everybody loves Lamar and and Lamar loves the Ravens,
and everybody wants to get this done. And then why
do you have to cross your fingers and and pray? Like? What?
What I miss? That that that the message get changed
from the time you said everybody loves Lamar and named
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all of the names and said that you know he's
going to be a raven and we built this around him,
and he's a great young man and all this other stuff.
What can't you save your prayers for something else, because
it sounds like to me you could use that prayer
for somebody who really needs it. If if that's the
case that everybody loves him, you think, I mean, isn't
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that a wasted prayer? So? Uh so do you think
that that the the the guaranteed money is more important
than the prayers? But I just feel like sometimes you
get you get these documents and they always say read
the fine print and and no one well I won't
say no one because Q probably definitely reads the fine print.
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I tried to when I have time, but I'm a
pretty big door. I don't want to say everybody. No
one does the fine print reading. You just read what
you want to read and just getting crazy stuff in there.
Broll you like, tell you what you don't not to
get on the side sidetrack. No, go ahead when you
know what there's like an update on your phone or
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you're like clicking onto an app. You're like, oh yeah,
I agree all the terms. Everything else. Don't go read
the terms. Okay, you are giving over your entire life privacy.
Like they are tracking the way you swipe the keyboard
on your phone, like they are tracking it everywhere. I
will repeat that everywhere you go on your phone. And
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it's not even like it's just Apple doing it. It's
like every single at company and every single time you
agree to that, like all those all those companies are
doing it. They're following, they know all your little dirty secrets.
All right, I'll just leave it at that, So do
not read the fine print. Uh, live live your life
in bliss here on a football Friday. I'll leave it
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at that. Well, maybe that just puts it in context. Right,
Let's just live in bliss and think that everything is
gonna work out with Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. Look
he wants he's he's going to be back. I just
don't understand. Why do you have your fingers crossed? And
why are you praying that it gets done? If all
of these elements, as the head coach that you're speaking of,
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are all in line. What why isn't the deal already done?
It's like it wouldn't that be like a double like
a double negative? Too far over? You're too far now
he's not coming back. It was certain he's coming back.
He's coming back. Now you're I'm so over certain now
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he's not coming from Basically, if it was a ten
ten question quiz, they gave you ten extra credit points,
so you got two, You've got all of them, right,
you got two and ten more? Yeah, I mean that's
that's I just I'm just trying to understand if this
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is where we're at with Lamar Jackson and his scenario
and situation. And and I like the fact that Hardball
came out, by the way and was definitive and his
declaration of what he feels about Lamar Jackson. But and
I feel like I'm not taking it out of context.
I mean, you know, we had to talk about the
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whole context of you know, the whole Aaron Rodgers thing
yester day, But now today, I don't feel like it's
hard to take this out of context at all. They
want Lamar Jackson and and they want to make Lamar
Jackson happy. I will say this all seriousness. I mean,
I will say I think what I took away from
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what what Hardball said is basically, I just we just
really need Lamar to help us get this done. I
just I just really feel like he just gave made
a public plea as to we just need you to
be reasonable so that we can get this done. Like,
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can I ask this question, do you guys think Lamar
is being unreasonable in his request for the contract similar
to what Watson got. I don't think he's being unreasonable
because because all of the facts that you you stayed
at the other day, you know, in terms of he's
better if you really think about it, he's a he's
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done more. He's a better player than I with you,
I don't think it's unreasonable for any player that I
guess placed quarterback to try to look for that contract
or to even superseded. I mean, I don't I don't
think it's unreasonable. I think it's human nature. That's what
the league has always been built on. So what I
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think is unreasonable is that Deshaun Watson got that contract
like Lamar Jackson looking at that and doing the great point,
that's the unreasonable aspect of all the point, which is
why it happened. There's no coincidence. Steve Bashotti was the
one owner who came out and was vocal about the
fact that we're really going to give that guy all
that guarantee because you knew it was coming, because he
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knew he knew they were, We're really going to do
But that's what I'm really going to do this. I mean,
his moment was probably worse than mine, I'll tell you that,
but maybe maybe maybe, but anyway maybe probably not. Huh.
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I don't know. I wish I could have been there
after the facts to give you a hug, like, hey,
I might have not have wanted anyone to touch me.
I would have been like thanks to you, Hey, Bertie,
nobody's asking you didn't put in on this man um. Yeah,
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But I think realistically speaking, whether liked or disliked it happened,
and the NFL is all about resetting the market. It
always has been and it most likely always will be.
So the moment someone gets the highest contract, which by
the way, is a storyline that is very familiar with
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driving the entertainment value and the aspects of the game itself,
you have to be aware of the fact or you
have to understand that the best players are gonna come
out that have arguably measurables, that are comparable or better
in terms of age, in terms of accomplishment, and they
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are going It was no different than when Patrick Mahomes
got his deal. I mean, Dak Prescott was basing what
he wanted off of off of Pats Pat's deal and
wasn't going to do anything differently. Now, it might have
not have been as much as Patrick. He wasn't trying
to go for more. But you know what, if I'm
Dak's agent and I'm Dak, I know I'm not better
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than him. So I'm gonna go for something in the
realm of what it is that Patrick Mahomes received. But
I'm not going to necessarily sit down and throw down
and say I better get more. And this scenario it's different.
Lamar Jackson is a league MVP. Lamar Jackson is still
a young quarterback, a young budding quarterback. He still has
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a ton of potential. Nobody said the verdict is in
on if he's a quarterback that can only run when
it really comes down to it and can't get it done.
That hasn't come out yet. So if that's not where
we're at with our conclusion, why wouldn't he want to
get more than what to sign? And in Cleveland, by
the way, Cleveland, like, that's not one of the major
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major markets. I mean Baltimore, I don't know. It's Baltimore
bigger market than Cleveland. Yeah, I think so too. I'm
just saying, you know, there's there's a lot of things
to pray about, but one thing you don't have to
pray about in this scenario is if you want Lamar
Jackson for the long haul as your franchise quarterback, which
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is already the face of your franchise, pay the man.
By the way, can I ask you guys a quick question,
do you think Lamar Jackson helped or hurt himself this
season with his contract demands? Because before he got hurt,
it's not like he was having. I just think it's
a necessary like things happen, So no matter what happened
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this year, that wasn't going to change the price here.
I mean unless he did like some Jameis Winston type
action if you ask me, like turned the ball over
like crazy. Yeah, they were still they would stair ahead
a winning They still had a winning like a very
like convincing winning record, like even when before, Like where
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were they at when he went out? He he was
eighting four this year, which I don't want to read
into that too much, but um, he played better football
than two years ago, you know, at least from a
from a quarterback perspective. So I mean, I look at it.
I don't think you heard himself at all. Um. I
would be curious to see the change with offensive coordination
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or what that. You know what that equates to. But
it looks they can go to the franchise tag route.
You know, the next two could be potential three years.
We've never seen that, but that's the direction this is headed.
It just comes down to is he willing to try
to pull a Levan bell to prove his point in
terms of a long term deal. We heard Albert Brier
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throughout the numbers. What does he say, forty five million
you get for one year fully guaranteed deal? Yeah, something
like that. I mean, god, that's a lot of money, man,
one year. It wasn't wasn't that long ago, kurtfully guaranteed.
But it's not more than Deshaun Watson. No, it's not
that Kirk Cousins site his franchise tag. It was like
twenty million. That wasn't that long ago. And so that's
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why I ask, like, you know, will he I feel
so strongly about getting offered that a Shaun Watson deal
that he tries to forego a one year fully guaranteed
if if he's under the exclusive franchise tag forty five million,
that's to me is what could be crazy. But yeah,
that's uh. We'll be monitoring that over the next couple
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three am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio and the I
Heart Radio. Oh god, just haunting. Listen to that. You
see the fog of Glendale. Just settle on the city.
What's gonna be Glendoe? Bro? You know why? I mean?
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This likes some walk to the Ring type music. Oh yeah,
hell yeah yeah, even walking on the tunnel. You know
what I'm saying. Oh yeah, there it goes. Oh yeah,
I'm not gonna lie. I did lift to this. Man,
I'm talking like, hey, you got four hundred pounds or
something on your back, squad like this was it? Man?
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Why do you come on? Don't don't round downs? That's
that's a warm upset. I did some stupid stuff when
I was younger, But I'll tell you what, there's nothing
more humbling than putting a lot of weight on your back.
Like like I remember, I would try to psyche myself
up and like when you and and vo, I don't
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know like how much like one we're at max as
you like did because a lot of people that's such
a meat head conversation. Yeah, a lot of people were,
like strength coaches were scared because you know they so
they do like a three red max, so they weren't
really pushing you all the way to that, Like what
can you really do? Like if you need a squat,
what can you really do? And I think anyone who's
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lifting knows like a three three rep maxes ps like
you go, you go for that one rep? How far
can you push yourself where either you do it or
you fail? And I used to literally when we used
to have like five d pounds or over that on
the bar, I would just lift it up off the
bar just to get a feel for it because it's
so heavy and it's bending that you're like like that
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in and of itself, like will scare you because you're like,
oh God, like I can, I can look like I
can really hurt myself. But I remember doing that, just
lifting it off the bar and setting it back down,
just because when I lifted it off the bar to
actually do the rep, I didn't want it to be
shocking and I didn't want it to be my first
time of feeling what that felt like. Now, how low
do you go on the squats? Do you you go
down to you you get unto parallel? I mean I
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wasn't like, oh, you need to go all balled them out,
like that's the kind of stuff where you hurt yourself. Yeah,
like you're gonna destroy your knees. It's not even it's
not your knees, is your back? Like, you don't need so,
so anyone who would tell you, oh, you need that
additional range of mode you don't like. That's that's where
players and people get hurt because sailors and get it in. Yeah,
some some knee wraps, go ahead, get it in. You
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want to know something crazy. At the height of my strength,
I benched five hundred pounds one time max. I'm maxed
out at five pounds in New York my leg How
how heavy does that feel? It felt heavy? But It
felt crazy as hell when I pushed pushed it, like
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when I put it on the rack and did it
like Superman. I mean, everybody was looking at me and
and and them like somebody needs to test him. And
it's also more impressive because you've got long arms. I
do have long arms, like those guys got short arms
that just let it bounce off their chest and explode
back up. It's like, okay, dude, I didn't go slow though,
just a pogo stick on your chest. Come on me.
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First off, I don't even care if you bounce it
when you have five hundred pounds for I don't get
a crap. That bar was bending. It was bending. I
was lifting with Bob with Field. I got so strong
that offseason, like I was lifting with offensive linemen. I
was like, I'm gonna try to get as strong as
I can because I can't run anymore, so I gotta
be able to like throw down. So I just was like,
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I'm going I am going to get my punch so strong.
I'm going to get my hands so strong, so when
I grab dudes, I'm like literally obliterating them. And that's
true story. Sound when you would when you would get
it up to full extension that right, So I used
to make this weird noise. Right, So when I took
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it up and everybody's like, you know, everybody started screaming,
I go and then when I go down, I was like,
and then when I came up, look I took this
deep rap And when I came up, mom, I was like,
true story, that's a true story. That was like, uh,
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because you know you're about to pass out by the
time you get it up to to rack it, you're
about to pass out. I mean, was probably did it
for a couple of reps to Yeah, that's uh, he's
a bad man. It's two pros and a cup of
Joe here, Fox Sports radiohere with you. By the way, Um,
(25:31):
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the NFL better and they may have made it worse.
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and done in Minnesota defensive coordinator. He is out with
them in so the Vikings, we talked about it yesterday,
Kevin O'Connell and the GM there um Adolpha Menza had
not made a decision on Ed Donntel, that had been
the speculation, but nonetheless Ed Donna Tell is out. And
now the Minnesota Vikings, who don't really seem to have
a lot of questions other than contractually on offense, are
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now going to go into this next offseason. I think
you guys talked about it. Does this scheme fit with
the talent they've got. Apparently they've made a decision and
now they're out of defensive coordinator and Kevin O'Connell's moving
on after one year of Ed Donna Tell. So not
the most surprising move in the world based on what
we talked about yesterday. No, they were not. They were
not good. Um and and you know for a team
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that's a playoff team, a team that won as many
games as they did, um, you know, everyone talked about
the point differential will Unfortunately their defense was a was
a big piece of that. But um, they just have.
I mean, look, that's the roster too that I think.
I mean, I don't know, you know, LaVar, when you
look at it, they got they got good defensive players,
you know, they they shouldn't be playing at that level,
you know, that's the bottom line. They should be able
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to get more out of the talent that they had
on that roster um, and that that's that's where obviously
things kind of fell to the wayside for them. So
are you saying that allowing six yards per play is
a bad look? One way of describing someone called that
a diaper fire. It's just so if you're if you're
an offense and you know, hey, the defense were playing
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no matter what, allows six yards to play. It's a
quarterback you love that. There's like so many completions and
things out there, Like you love that. You're like, okay, yeah,
let's do this. And then that just comes down to
red zone. You know, can we throw the football the
way we want to in the red zone? Which, um, yeah,
it wasn't even like their defense was good in the
red zone this year. They couldn't stop the run, so
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they just weren't very good. And like I said, I've
told you guys Zadarius was there their low wolf that
was hunting. You know up front. It's not that there
wasn't enough um, there wasn't enough ability to to win
upfront this year. There there wasn't enough. I mean, you
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have h leadership with Pat p Patrick Peterson in the secondary,
but there wasn't enough in the secondary. You know, you
have some some young promising talent there, but it just
seems like this was more of they have to find
themselves type of type of season. But you can't make
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like excuses when you have kids like Sauce Gardner coming
out and playing the way that he's playing. You really
don't get in the pros. In fact, you don't even
get it in college anymore these days. You don't get
a grace period for saying that we have to develop
the talent that we have on our defense. You have,
you know like Eric Kendricks, you know who's who's now
(28:49):
a vet on on that defense and one of those
soul vetts after bar left, it was just, you know,
to me, they just underachieved. They just under achieved, and
their offense is they hit a lot of the issues
that the defense had, but it just happened to catch
up to them at the worst time of the year,
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which was you you had the best season that you
had and in years, and then you throw it all
down the tubes with with the first round loss in
in Super wild Card weekend. So I didn't realize, you, guy,
Brady Harrison Smith is going to be thirty four years old.
I didn't really have been there that long. Damn he
has um. He's been there for a long time. He's
also played at a really high level for a long time.
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And you know, if you like the difference between how
he was asked to play in the other system they
were in compared to what they were in and this one,
which they called the shell coverage, right, and so what
we was doing with with Zimmermore was like pure disguise, right,
So he'd be acting like he's down in the box,
springing back to the deep half the middle of the field.
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They'd be trying to mix up their looks based on
where he was, you know, down around on that scrimmage,
blitzing all this stuff. Well, in this system, it was
really more of the subtleties as far as how they move.
So they wanted to create more of a fuzzy picture,
meaning like their safeties would try basically to position themselves
post snap in spots that was, you know, and a
(30:15):
little ambiguity right, like you didn't know if it was
Cover four, Cover two, you know, all of a sudden
he would just stay flat footed and then the backside
safety will start to move more towards the middle of
the field, And so it just made a harder on
you post snap as a quarterback to get an idea
of all, right, are they playing Cover three? Are they playing? Like?
What what what are they? What are they doing here? And
that was that's part of the design of the whole
shell coverages to wait as long as you can and
(30:39):
try to make it as hard as you can make
it on a quarterback to be able to see what
the coverage is post snap so he can go with
his read. Now. The only thing that gets you away
from that is when you're playing a lot of man
because you eventually you got a line across, line up
across the guy you're covering. Offenses put tight ends, running
backs outside, you gotta put a safety, linebacker someone on
(30:59):
them that matches up that way, and all that kind
of stuff kind of shows your hand. But like for him,
like he's he's had a really long, successful career. There's
been all Pro before, He's made what six Pro Bowls
wherever he's done. Um, and I think it was a
tougher transition because they're not letting, you know, a ton
of plays go over their head, but they're letting a
lot of completions happen. And for successful as they've been
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can't wait for this. I love me some Snoop. Yeah, no,
I love me some Snoop, But yeah, this is These
are shenanigans. Have you seen some of the events that
are taking place at this lay Mass tournament or whatever
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they're putting together, like tiddley winks and racquetball, and you
know what they should do, you know what they should
do on everything. I'mna I'm gonna be totally honest. I
mean that that will probably be the next option. Uh.
You know, at Penn State, we we run the largest
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philanthropic um student ran philothropic organization called you know it's Thawn.
We should the NFL should do a fundraising concert and
have the pro bowlers involved in the show some type
of way, Like for for what we do, we dance,
(34:41):
we dance. It's a dancing thon, so you dance like
for X amount of hours. I think it used to
be like twenty four hours or something, right, I think
they should turn it into like really like for real,
for real, like a fundraiser, Like make it a big
ass concert, put it, put it in the place where
you would have played the game. I didn't have Snoop perform,
(35:03):
you know, have some people perform that that kind of
appealed to the genres of people that watch NFL football
and use it to raise money for for like pediactor
cancer or something to that effect. Yeah, or for our military,
you know whatever it may be. All of that's better
than what they've got, I think, so, I mean, I
think it would be way more impactful because otherwise it's
(35:25):
just this just sounds like a waste of time or
just what they could do is just see who could
go the longest without getting beat up. By Alvin Kamara
outside an elevator, they could do that. Maybe he was
punching dudes in the face because he was frustrated about
what the Pro Bowl has become. Great call to take
it away from Hawaii, and you can kiss our ass.
It's a hard ticket to get back to him. He
(35:45):
used to have the NFL's Fastest Man challenge in the
quarterback the moving targets and the zubas. All the quarterbacks
were in those zuba pants. God, I just don't think
I just don't think that guys would get on, like
get out there and and race each other anymore these days,
Like not unless they're like working out now. I'll say this,
unless the cash prize was something of significance. I mean,
(36:09):
I'm afraid of heights and I did I did that.
Uh was that that All Stars challenge where you go
against all the other all the other athletes from other
other sports And I went over that what was it
like a twenty ft wall or something like that? Scared
to death. That's why I lost because I couldn't go
over the wall. I went over the wall. I scraped
my hand up. Anyway, I digress. What two players would
(36:31):
you guys like to see race in the NFL Tyree
Tyree killing? Who what's the best race in the NFL?
Um the fastest dude you probably don't even know. Yeah,
that's probably fair. I was just gonna say that. I mean,
I would like to see whoever that dude is first
Tyreek kill? Well, that would be fair. Like I mean,
if we drew Drew a Archer. He's probably not even
(36:53):
in the league anymore. I don't know where he somewhere,
but he's but he wouldn't. I mean, I would love
to see Tyree versus d K and like a hundred
not a forty D because I think d K could
be better at get him, I don't know, might get
him that top in once you get beyond sixty. Yeah,
that DK my get him because that that I mean
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that is long and strong about to get the frition
all ye DK got back? Wait, hold on, that's that's
wrong topic. I'm really gonna sorry, guys. After seven years
in Eugene, Oregon Ducks tight end CA McCormick is leaving
for Miami one. So he got his nineteen gear of
(37:40):
eligibility and to add insult injury, he's gonna go take
that last year to South Beach a no offense. But
where would you rather spend your forty birthday? In South Beach?
Born to Coral Gables? Man, he actually has two years
remaining in ELG McCormick's going to Miami. Oh my god,
this is the dude that got granted his ninth ninth
(38:03):
year or whatever. Right, he's going into his ninth year
of college, right, this will be his eighth year, but
he's got nine. Ridiculous. Man, that kind of pisces me off.
He has become he has become Van Walder. He's now
basically probably like perfected his game, and he's like, I'll
take my talents to South Beach, Like I'll be able
(38:25):
to go talk to ladies there in in college, and
then that's what he's doing. I mean, I can't imagine
he's gonna be an upgrade a tight end for some
of the guys that got there. Is he an NFL prospect? No? Okay,
so this is all about I mean, is he is
he fully vested? Bro? You can't play this long and
still be in college of being an NFL prospect. At
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I'm good enough to go and play any I want
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what jonases bits these days? Can you do it one
more time? You got? You got the mic on? No,
you gotta do it away from no No. I actually
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like his way better. It sounds better. Yeah, I got
a little bit of depth. Have you been a hold on?
Have you been practicing this? I love it? I actually
think I liked them. I like the way he does
it better. Jo What you just say to me, how
Darren you might need to change the technique. That's a trademark.
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I'm just saying I think I liked the way LaVar
does it better. I mean, yeah, that makes me feel
like a long time radio wife. And now now we
brought someone else in the true him yelling into the
mics better than me. How dare you you sell out?
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That's unbelievable. It actually better, by the way, I forgot
to tell you guys, it's a football Friday. Yeah, yeah,
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don't borrow, don't borrow? Whoa it was? Jonas ha ha,
don't one more time running back? Yeah? Now the way
you say LaVar is better, though. Yeah. I need that
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as a drop. That needs to be my ring tone.
Can anybody else on the show say it like that
other than Burnop? Anybody want to drow? You know that's
my name and I can't trick it out that way
I can Nope. Who can do it? Coop? Do it? Justin? Cooper?
Do it? All right? Oh? I thought we were joking.
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I can do it better than him. Let's heart, let's
hear it. Lavarre the jail. That's how you do it.
Do it in jalis go. So you guys want to
(04:41):
hear the latest speculation on Lamar Jackson all right here
on a football Friday, Hold on, hold on, yes, well yeah,
we're just jumping right into it. Well, I mean, like
why not? I mean, I mean you got something John
Harbaugh was you know, trap happened? Like, let's let's set
(05:04):
this up a little. Let's set it up. I mean,
like the offensive coordinator who got another on the first off?
Did anyone know Greg Roman was making three point five
million dollars? Is he really for him three? I've I
mean people people like don't really know what some coaches
(05:27):
are making. What we say, Sean Payton is trying to
make five that's what he wants out of this next one.
You're paying offensive coordinators three point five million dollars? Now,
when did this happen? I mean I didn't know that
it even got that high. Who else is even in
the conversation. That's the thing is, I don't know. This
stuff is like public knowledge till these guys get canned
(05:49):
and they go, oh, okay, they're getting paid that much. Yeah,
I guess if you're not doing a good job, you
can see why you don't get a whole lot of leeway.
Three five million reasons Why that's so you'll you'll take
that I mean anyway? Sorry, yeah, well no, I mean
I had no idea he was making three half No idea.
That's actually unbelievable. That's like hit coaches salary, that's I mean,
(06:16):
people were outraged by what Brett Venables was making it Clemson,
which is like what two million a year is a
defensive coordinator or something like that, and they thought, man,
he's making two million a year and then you you
look at the NFL level and you've got Greg Roman
who's making three and a half. I had no idea.
That's that's Uh. By the way, those guys have to
recruiting stuff in college. If I justify the workload three
(06:39):
and a half really wow. Alright, well, well that's three
and a half million dollars. It's off the books. Now,
that's no luck because Greg Roman, uh quota quote unquote
stepped down as offensive coordinator of the Baltimore Ravens, which
makes them easier to hire. I'm just wondering that if
Tyler Huntley doesn't bumble the ball at the one inch line,
(07:01):
does Greg Roman still get clipped? Yeah? Like so just
it's funny. How then J. K. Dobbins came out and said, basically,
I'm tired of Greg Roman not giving me the ball,
Like I'm really tired of this. I mean not even
what he said, but that's kind of what he said. Okay,
basically that's the gist of it. I mean, that was
the gist of it. Give me the ball and uh so,
(07:24):
I mean, who knows, maybe they needed to say the
three and a half million dollars because they're gonna try
and you know, work that in somewhere to to figure
out how they can pay Lamar Jackson. Aren't applicable when
it comes to that. But um, if anybody would like
an update on how the Baltimore Ravens and John Harbaugh
feel about Lamar Jackson and whether or not he's going
to be back next year. Uh John Harbor, the head
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coach of the Ravens, he went ahead and he put
a percentage to it and also let everybody know Lamar
is going to be part of the conversation when it
comes to the offensive coordinator. He's going to have some say.
Here was the Ravens head coach hundred percent. You know,
there's no question about it. Lamar Jackson is our quarterback
and he's been our quarterback. Everything we've done in terms
(08:09):
of building our offense and building our team, how we
think in terms of people and put people around him
is based on this incredible young man in his talent,
his ability and his competitiveness. You know, I've loved Lamar.
Eric loves Lamar, and uh. It's not going to change
in the future. So I don't know anything about the
details of the whole thing, but I know one thing.
I'm like all the fans out there and everybody else.
(08:29):
You know, I'll have my fingers crossing, my toes crossed,
and I'll be saying prayers, and I have every faith
that's gonna get done and and uh, and we've got
the best people in the world doing it. Eric wants
him here. I want him here, Steve wants him here,
and Lamar wants to be here. It's gonna work out.
Greg's a great coach and he did the best he could.
We leave that era, you know, we moved into the
next are now in terms of our offense, and uh,
and I did. I did ask Lamar about it, you know.
(08:50):
And and he will be involved in it, you know.
I'll keep him abreast of what's going on, and I'm
sure he'll have some input along the way. But I
know his focus, like he told me, he's gonna be
on getting himself ready and getting his guys ready. I'm confused, optimism.
I'm confused opism. Did he just name everybody that's involved
in this deal getting done? He named everybody right? Pretty
(09:13):
much everybody loves Lamar and and Lamar loves the Ravens,
and everybody wants to get this done. And then why
do you have to cross your fingers and and pray? Like? What?
What I miss? That that that the message get changed
from the time you said everybody loves Lamar and named
(09:36):
all of the names and said that you know he's
going to be a raven and we built this around him,
and he's a great young man and all this other stuff.
What can't you save your prayers for something else, because
it sounds like to me you could use that prayer
for somebody who really needs it. If if that's the
case that everybody loves him, you think, I mean, isn't
(10:01):
that a wasted prayer? So? Uh so do you think
that that the the the guaranteed money is more important
than the prayers? But I just feel like sometimes you
get you get these documents and they always say read
the fine print and and no one well I won't
say no one because Q probably definitely reads the fine print.
(10:24):
I tried to when I have time, but I'm a
pretty big door. I don't want to say everybody. No
one does the fine print reading. You just read what
you want to read and just getting crazy stuff in there.
Broll you like, tell you what you don't not to
get on the side sidetrack. No, go ahead when you
know what there's like an update on your phone or
(10:45):
you're like clicking onto an app. You're like, oh yeah,
I agree all the terms. Everything else. Don't go read
the terms. Okay, you are giving over your entire life privacy.
Like they are tracking the way you swipe the keyboard
on your phone, like they are tracking it everywhere. I
will repeat that everywhere you go on your phone. And
(11:07):
it's not even like it's just Apple doing it. It's
like every single at company and every single time you
agree to that, like all those all those companies are
doing it. They're following, they know all your little dirty secrets.
All right, I'll just leave it at that, So do
not read the fine print. Uh, live live your life
in bliss here on a football Friday. I'll leave it
(11:29):
at that. Well, maybe that just puts it in context. Right,
Let's just live in bliss and think that everything is
gonna work out with Lamar Jackson and the Ravens. Look
he wants he's he's going to be back. I just
don't understand. Why do you have your fingers crossed? And
why are you praying that it gets done? If all
of these elements, as the head coach that you're speaking of,
(11:51):
are all in line. What why isn't the deal already done?
It's like it wouldn't that be like a double like
a double negative? Too far over? You're too far now
he's not coming back. It was certain he's coming back.
He's coming back. Now you're I'm so over certain now
(12:12):
he's not coming from Basically, if it was a ten
ten question quiz, they gave you ten extra credit points,
so you got two, You've got all of them, right,
you got two and ten more? Yeah, I mean that's
that's I just I'm just trying to understand if this
(12:34):
is where we're at with Lamar Jackson and his scenario
and situation. And and I like the fact that Hardball
came out, by the way and was definitive and his
declaration of what he feels about Lamar Jackson. But and
I feel like I'm not taking it out of context.
I mean, you know, we had to talk about the
(12:56):
whole context of you know, the whole Aaron Rodgers thing
yester day, But now today, I don't feel like it's
hard to take this out of context at all. They
want Lamar Jackson and and they want to make Lamar
Jackson happy. I will say this all seriousness. I mean,
I will say I think what I took away from
(13:18):
what what Hardball said is basically, I just we just
really need Lamar to help us get this done. I
just I just really feel like he just gave made
a public plea as to we just need you to
be reasonable so that we can get this done. Like,
(13:42):
can I ask this question, do you guys think Lamar
is being unreasonable in his request for the contract similar
to what Watson got. I don't think he's being unreasonable
because because all of the facts that you you stayed
at the other day, you know, in terms of he's
better if you really think about it, he's a he's
(14:03):
done more. He's a better player than I with you,
I don't think it's unreasonable for any player that I
guess placed quarterback to try to look for that contract
or to even superseded. I mean, I don't I don't
think it's unreasonable. I think it's human nature. That's what
the league has always been built on. So what I
(14:24):
think is unreasonable is that Deshaun Watson got that contract
like Lamar Jackson looking at that and doing the great point,
that's the unreasonable aspect of all the point, which is
why it happened. There's no coincidence. Steve Bashotti was the
one owner who came out and was vocal about the
fact that we're really going to give that guy all
that guarantee because you knew it was coming, because he
(14:45):
knew he knew they were, We're really going to do
But that's what I'm really going to do this. I mean,
his moment was probably worse than mine, I'll tell you that,
but maybe maybe maybe, but anyway maybe probably not. Huh.
(15:06):
I don't know. I wish I could have been there
after the facts to give you a hug, like, hey,
I might have not have wanted anyone to touch me.
I would have been like thanks to you, Hey, Bertie,
nobody's asking you didn't put in on this man um. Yeah,
(15:28):
But I think realistically speaking, whether liked or disliked it happened,
and the NFL is all about resetting the market. It
always has been and it most likely always will be.
So the moment someone gets the highest contract, which by
the way, is a storyline that is very familiar with
(15:51):
driving the entertainment value and the aspects of the game itself,
you have to be aware of the fact or you
have to understand that the best players are gonna come
out that have arguably measurables, that are comparable or better
in terms of age, in terms of accomplishment, and they
(16:13):
are going It was no different than when Patrick Mahomes
got his deal. I mean, Dak Prescott was basing what
he wanted off of off of Pats Pat's deal and
wasn't going to do anything differently. Now, it might have
not have been as much as Patrick. He wasn't trying
to go for more. But you know what, if I'm
Dak's agent and I'm Dak, I know I'm not better
(16:34):
than him. So I'm gonna go for something in the
realm of what it is that Patrick Mahomes received. But
I'm not going to necessarily sit down and throw down
and say I better get more. And this scenario it's different.
Lamar Jackson is a league MVP. Lamar Jackson is still
a young quarterback, a young budding quarterback. He still has
(16:56):
a ton of potential. Nobody said the verdict is in
on if he's a quarterback that can only run when
it really comes down to it and can't get it done.
That hasn't come out yet. So if that's not where
we're at with our conclusion, why wouldn't he want to
get more than what to sign? And in Cleveland, by
the way, Cleveland, like, that's not one of the major
(17:19):
major markets. I mean Baltimore, I don't know. It's Baltimore
bigger market than Cleveland. Yeah, I think so too. I'm
just saying, you know, there's there's a lot of things
to pray about, but one thing you don't have to
pray about in this scenario is if you want Lamar
Jackson for the long haul as your franchise quarterback, which
(17:42):
is already the face of your franchise, pay the man.
By the way, can I ask you guys a quick question,
do you think Lamar Jackson helped or hurt himself this
season with his contract demands? Because before he got hurt,
it's not like he was having. I just think it's
a necessary like things happen, So no matter what happened
(18:04):
this year, that wasn't going to change the price here.
I mean unless he did like some Jameis Winston type
action if you ask me, like turned the ball over
like crazy. Yeah, they were still they would stair ahead
a winning They still had a winning like a very
like convincing winning record, like even when before, Like where
(18:24):
were they at when he went out? He he was
eighting four this year, which I don't want to read
into that too much, but um, he played better football
than two years ago, you know, at least from a
from a quarterback perspective. So I mean, I look at it.
I don't think you heard himself at all. Um. I
would be curious to see the change with offensive coordination
(18:46):
or what that. You know what that equates to. But
it looks they can go to the franchise tag route.
You know, the next two could be potential three years.
We've never seen that, but that's the direction this is headed.
It just comes down to is he willing to try
to pull a Levan bell to prove his point in
terms of a long term deal. We heard Albert Brier
(19:06):
throughout the numbers. What does he say, forty five million
you get for one year fully guaranteed deal? Yeah, something
like that. I mean, god, that's a lot of money, man,
one year. It wasn't wasn't that long ago, kurtfully guaranteed.
But it's not more than Deshaun Watson. No, it's not
that Kirk Cousins site his franchise tag. It was like
twenty million. That wasn't that long ago. And so that's
(19:29):
why I ask, like, you know, will he I feel
so strongly about getting offered that a Shaun Watson deal
that he tries to forego a one year fully guaranteed
if if he's under the exclusive franchise tag forty five million,
that's to me is what could be crazy. But yeah,
that's uh. We'll be monitoring that over the next couple
(19:50):
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Heart Radio. Oh god, just haunting. Listen to that. You
see the fog of Glendale. Just settle on the city.
What's gonna be Glendoe? Bro? You know why? I mean?
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This likes some walk to the Ring type music. Oh yeah,
hell yeah yeah, even walking on the tunnel. You know
what I'm saying. Oh yeah, there it goes. Oh yeah,
I'm not gonna lie. I did lift to this. Man,
I'm talking like, hey, you got four hundred pounds or
something on your back, squad like this was it? Man?
(21:20):
Why do you come on? Don't don't round downs? That's
that's a warm upset. I did some stupid stuff when
I was younger, But I'll tell you what, there's nothing
more humbling than putting a lot of weight on your back.
Like like I remember, I would try to psyche myself
up and like when you and and vo, I don't
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know like how much like one we're at max as
you like did because a lot of people that's such
a meat head conversation. Yeah, a lot of people were,
like strength coaches were scared because you know they so
they do like a three red max, so they weren't
really pushing you all the way to that, Like what
can you really do? Like if you need a squat,
what can you really do? And I think anyone who's
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lifting knows like a three three rep maxes ps like
you go, you go for that one rep? How far
can you push yourself where either you do it or
you fail? And I used to literally when we used
to have like five d pounds or over that on
the bar, I would just lift it up off the
bar just to get a feel for it because it's
so heavy and it's bending that you're like like that
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in and of itself, like will scare you because you're like,
oh God, like I can, I can look like I
can really hurt myself. But I remember doing that, just
lifting it off the bar and setting it back down,
just because when I lifted it off the bar to
actually do the rep, I didn't want it to be
shocking and I didn't want it to be my first
time of feeling what that felt like. Now, how low
do you go on the squats? Do you you go
down to you you get unto parallel? I mean I
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wasn't like, oh, you need to go all balled them out,
like that's the kind of stuff where you hurt yourself. Yeah,
like you're gonna destroy your knees. It's not even it's
not your knees, is your back? Like, you don't need so,
so anyone who would tell you, oh, you need that
additional range of mode you don't like. That's that's where
players and people get hurt because sailors and get it in. Yeah,
some some knee wraps, go ahead, get it in. You
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want to know something crazy. At the height of my strength,
I benched five hundred pounds one time max. I'm maxed
out at five pounds in New York my leg How
how heavy does that feel? It felt heavy? But It
felt crazy as hell when I pushed pushed it, like
(23:29):
when I put it on the rack and did it
like Superman. I mean, everybody was looking at me and
and and them like somebody needs to test him. And
it's also more impressive because you've got long arms. I
do have long arms, like those guys got short arms
that just let it bounce off their chest and explode
back up. It's like, okay, dude, I didn't go slow though,
just a pogo stick on your chest. Come on me.
(23:51):
First off, I don't even care if you bounce it
when you have five hundred pounds for I don't get
a crap. That bar was bending. It was bending. I
was lifting with Bob with Field. I got so strong
that offseason, like I was lifting with offensive linemen. I
was like, I'm gonna try to get as strong as
I can because I can't run anymore, so I gotta
be able to like throw down. So I just was like,
(24:12):
I'm going I am going to get my punch so strong.
I'm going to get my hands so strong, so when
I grab dudes, I'm like literally obliterating them. And that's
true story. Sound when you would when you would get
it up to full extension that right, So I used
to make this weird noise. Right, So when I took
(24:34):
it up and everybody's like, you know, everybody started screaming,
I go and then when I go down, I was like,
and then when I came up, look I took this
deep rap And when I came up, mom, I was like,
true story, that's a true story. That was like, uh,
(25:07):
because you know you're about to pass out by the
time you get it up to to rack it, you're
about to pass out. I mean, was probably did it
for a couple of reps to Yeah, that's uh, he's
a bad man. It's two pros and a cup of
Joe here, Fox Sports radiohere with you. By the way, Um,
(25:31):
somebody's trying to make a certain thing we're doing in
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(25:56):
and done in Minnesota defensive coordinator. He is out with
them in so the Vikings, we talked about it yesterday,
Kevin O'Connell and the GM there um Adolpha Menza had
not made a decision on Ed Donntel, that had been
the speculation, but nonetheless Ed Donna Tell is out. And
now the Minnesota Vikings, who don't really seem to have
a lot of questions other than contractually on offense, are
(26:18):
now going to go into this next offseason. I think
you guys talked about it. Does this scheme fit with
the talent they've got. Apparently they've made a decision and
now they're out of defensive coordinator and Kevin O'Connell's moving
on after one year of Ed Donna Tell. So not
the most surprising move in the world based on what
we talked about yesterday. No, they were not. They were
not good. Um and and you know for a team
(26:38):
that's a playoff team, a team that won as many
games as they did, um, you know, everyone talked about
the point differential will Unfortunately their defense was a was
a big piece of that. But um, they just have.
I mean, look, that's the roster too that I think.
I mean, I don't know, you know, LaVar, when you
look at it, they got they got good defensive players,
you know, they they shouldn't be playing at that level,
you know, that's the bottom line. They should be able
(27:00):
to get more out of the talent that they had
on that roster um, and that that's that's where obviously
things kind of fell to the wayside for them. So
are you saying that allowing six yards per play is
a bad look? One way of describing someone called that
a diaper fire. It's just so if you're if you're
an offense and you know, hey, the defense were playing
(27:22):
no matter what, allows six yards to play. It's a
quarterback you love that. There's like so many completions and
things out there, Like you love that. You're like, okay, yeah,
let's do this. And then that just comes down to
red zone. You know, can we throw the football the
way we want to in the red zone? Which, um, yeah,
it wasn't even like their defense was good in the
red zone this year. They couldn't stop the run, so
(27:44):
they just weren't very good. And like I said, I've
told you guys Zadarius was there their low wolf that
was hunting. You know up front. It's not that there
wasn't enough um, there wasn't enough ability to to win
upfront this year. There there wasn't enough. I mean, you
(28:05):
have h leadership with Pat p Patrick Peterson in the secondary,
but there wasn't enough in the secondary. You know, you
have some some young promising talent there, but it just
seems like this was more of they have to find
themselves type of type of season. But you can't make
(28:26):
like excuses when you have kids like Sauce Gardner coming
out and playing the way that he's playing. You really
don't get in the pros. In fact, you don't even
get it in college anymore these days. You don't get
a grace period for saying that we have to develop
the talent that we have on our defense. You have,
you know like Eric Kendricks, you know who's who's now
(28:49):
a vet on on that defense and one of those
soul vetts after bar left, it was just, you know,
to me, they just underachieved. They just under achieved, and
their offense is they hit a lot of the issues
that the defense had, but it just happened to catch
up to them at the worst time of the year,
(29:09):
which was you you had the best season that you
had and in years, and then you throw it all
down the tubes with with the first round loss in
in Super wild Card weekend. So I didn't realize, you, guy,
Brady Harrison Smith is going to be thirty four years old.
I didn't really have been there that long. Damn he
has um. He's been there for a long time. He's
also played at a really high level for a long time.
(29:33):
And you know, if you like the difference between how
he was asked to play in the other system they
were in compared to what they were in and this one,
which they called the shell coverage, right, and so what
we was doing with with Zimmermore was like pure disguise, right,
So he'd be acting like he's down in the box,
springing back to the deep half the middle of the field.
(29:54):
They'd be trying to mix up their looks based on
where he was, you know, down around on that scrimmage,
blitzing all this stuff. Well, in this system, it was
really more of the subtleties as far as how they move.
So they wanted to create more of a fuzzy picture,
meaning like their safeties would try basically to position themselves
post snap in spots that was, you know, and a
(30:15):
little ambiguity right, like you didn't know if it was
Cover four, Cover two, you know, all of a sudden
he would just stay flat footed and then the backside
safety will start to move more towards the middle of
the field, And so it just made a harder on
you post snap as a quarterback to get an idea
of all, right, are they playing Cover three? Are they playing? Like?
What what what are they? What are they doing here? And
that was that's part of the design of the whole
shell coverages to wait as long as you can and
(30:39):
try to make it as hard as you can make
it on a quarterback to be able to see what
the coverage is post snap so he can go with
his read. Now. The only thing that gets you away
from that is when you're playing a lot of man
because you eventually you got a line across, line up
across the guy you're covering. Offenses put tight ends, running
backs outside, you gotta put a safety, linebacker someone on
(30:59):
them that matches up that way, and all that kind
of stuff kind of shows your hand. But like for him,
like he's he's had a really long, successful career. There's
been all Pro before, He's made what six Pro Bowls
wherever he's done. Um, and I think it was a
tougher transition because they're not letting, you know, a ton
of plays go over their head, but they're letting a
lot of completions happen. And for successful as they've been
(31:21):
like that kind of thing could be frustrating. It's Two
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Some people are not happy about it, but couldn't mean
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(32:53):
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(33:36):
Davidson and Snoop Dogg. Davidson will be for the NFC
for the FC. God, that's gonna make me watch. God
can't wait for this. I love me some Snoop. Yeah, no,
I love me some Snoop, But yeah, this is These
are shenanigans. Have you seen some of the events that
are taking place at this lay Mass tournament or whatever
(33:58):
they're putting together, like tiddley winks and racquetball, and you
know what they should do, you know what they should
do on everything. I'mna I'm gonna be totally honest. I
mean that that will probably be the next option. Uh.
You know, at Penn State, we we run the largest
(34:18):
philanthropic um student ran philothropic organization called you know it's Thawn.
We should the NFL should do a fundraising concert and
have the pro bowlers involved in the show some type
of way, Like for for what we do, we dance,
(34:41):
we dance. It's a dancing thon, so you dance like
for X amount of hours. I think it used to
be like twenty four hours or something, right, I think
they should turn it into like really like for real,
for real, like a fundraiser, Like make it a big
ass concert, put it, put it in the place where
you would have played the game. I didn't have Snoop perform,
(35:03):
you know, have some people perform that that kind of
appealed to the genres of people that watch NFL football
and use it to raise money for for like pediactor
cancer or something to that effect. Yeah, or for our military,
you know whatever it may be. All of that's better
than what they've got, I think, so, I mean, I
think it would be way more impactful because otherwise it's
(35:25):
just this just sounds like a waste of time or
just what they could do is just see who could
go the longest without getting beat up. By Alvin Kamara
outside an elevator, they could do that. Maybe he was
punching dudes in the face because he was frustrated about
what the Pro Bowl has become. Great call to take
it away from Hawaii, and you can kiss our ass.
It's a hard ticket to get back to him. He
(35:45):
used to have the NFL's Fastest Man challenge in the
quarterback the moving targets and the zubas. All the quarterbacks
were in those zuba pants. God, I just don't think
I just don't think that guys would get on, like
get out there and and race each other anymore these days,
Like not unless they're like working out now. I'll say this,
unless the cash prize was something of significance. I mean,
(36:09):
I'm afraid of heights and I did I did that.
Uh was that that All Stars challenge where you go
against all the other all the other athletes from other
other sports And I went over that what was it
like a twenty ft wall or something like that? Scared
to death. That's why I lost because I couldn't go
over the wall. I went over the wall. I scraped
my hand up. Anyway, I digress. What two players would
(36:31):
you guys like to see race in the NFL Tyree
Tyree killing? Who what's the best race in the NFL?
Um the fastest dude you probably don't even know. Yeah,
that's probably fair. I was just gonna say that. I mean,
I would like to see whoever that dude is first
Tyreek kill? Well, that would be fair. Like I mean,
if we drew Drew a Archer. He's probably not even
(36:53):
in the league anymore. I don't know where he somewhere,
but he's but he wouldn't. I mean, I would love
to see Tyree versus d K and like a hundred
not a forty D because I think d K could
be better at get him, I don't know, might get
him that top in once you get beyond sixty. Yeah,
that DK my get him because that that I mean
(37:14):
that is long and strong about to get the frition
all ye DK got back? Wait, hold on, that's that's
wrong topic. I'm really gonna sorry, guys. After seven years
in Eugene, Oregon Ducks tight end CA McCormick is leaving
for Miami one. So he got his nineteen gear of
(37:40):
eligibility and to add insult injury, he's gonna go take
that last year to South Beach a no offense. But
where would you rather spend your forty birthday? In South Beach?
Born to Coral Gables? Man, he actually has two years
remaining in ELG McCormick's going to Miami. Oh my god,
this is the dude that got granted his ninth ninth
(38:03):
year or whatever. Right, he's going into his ninth year
of college, right, this will be his eighth year, but
he's got nine. Ridiculous. Man, that kind of pisces me off.
He has become he has become Van Walder. He's now
basically probably like perfected his game, and he's like, I'll
take my talents to South Beach, Like I'll be able
(38:25):
to go talk to ladies there in in college, and
then that's what he's doing. I mean, I can't imagine
he's gonna be an upgrade a tight end for some
of the guys that got there. Is he an NFL prospect? No? Okay,
so this is all about I mean, is he is
he fully vested? Bro? You can't play this long and
still be in college of being an NFL prospect. At
(38:48):
one of those moments you have to then be like, Okay,
I'm good enough to go and play any I want
to know. Is he going to collect the pension from college?
He is fully vested, doesn't have a four oh one
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