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2 Pros and a Cup of Joe recap Super Bowl LVII where Patrick Mahomes, Andy Reid and the Chiefs solidified themselves as a “dynasty.” They address the controversial defensive holding call against the Eagles. What not to do in case of a tsunami and a riot on the streets of Brotherly Love.
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your opinion of the game was going to be, and
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who you had winning, there was a reason why the
point spread was so small and stayed that way for
the vast majority of the two weeks leading up to
the game. That was the hell of a game last night.
That was a fun game. Uh, those two teams played
their asses off. There's a lot of controversy coming out
of that game, but we thought it might go this way,
as far as being a close game throughout and and
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as far as being a close game when it was
finally over with that. Nonetheless, Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid
get it done. A second Super Bowl championship for Patrick Mahomes.
But of course there is some complaining, some bitching and
moaning going on from some people who don't like to
call that James Bradbury call. Nonetheless, the Kansas City Chiefs
get it done. That second half was monstrous form. Philly
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had it where they wanted it, But Patrick Mahomes strikes
late and the Kansas City Chiefs are your Super Bowl champions?
How a bout it? How about those Chiefs? I mean,
it's uh Are they dynasty? I guys? I mean how
do we how do we define their success and the
track record that they've had so far with Patrick Mahomes
Andy Reid? Yeah, I don't know. I don't you know.
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I think dynasty can be defined in a few different ways.
I don't think that that's something you fit in the
box up. I certainly believe that you can look at
their amount of success. What has been four four times?
What was it four times? In the playoffs and at
the championship round, championship game. It's now five Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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I mean two super Bowls in four years. They've been
to three in at least in the five I not
that four year span if not correct? Yeah, I mean,
how are we defining dynasty? Are we defining it by
the frequency? Are we are we saying it based on
because people said that Dallas was a dynasty and they
got three? You know, I would put it this way
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that no one's done what they've done so far, no
one sumitted the five straight NCT championship games. I would
say this if can you if it ended right now
and they never want another Super Bowl, I'd befortable sender dynasty. Yeah,
because if you just go back, if you could describe
it as an era, the Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid era
there running, if you're talking about it after the fact,
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that to me is a dynasty. And so if we're
gonna be talking about whatever this is, if this is
the last appearance for them in a super Bowl, and
who the hell knows doesn't seem like it's going to
be the way they operate together, then yeah, I think
it's a dynasty. They were overmatched against this Eagles team,
and and listen, I said it coming into the game,
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if Patrick Mahomes, first of all, if the Chiefs are
gonna win this game, it's going to be because of
Patrick Mahomes and the coaching. And if they do win
this game, the conversation has to dramatically change, well not
even dramatically, but it definitely changes for how you look
at Patrick Mahomes. And that's what That's what played out.
So I wouldn't have a problem saying there a dynasty. Honestly,
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I think that the half of a decade of success,
the way that they've had it and the way they've played.
I mean, hell, h who wouldn't want to be a
part of that team? You know, jeez, you saw how
happy Juju was. I mean, who wouldn't want to be
a part of this? Kansas City organization shouts out to
my boy Beach too. By the way, um, they've I
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mean they've they've overcome all lots, man, I mean that,
and it played out a way you guys wanted it to.
I mean, think about what you what what you just
said to when you mentioned Brett Veachs, their general manager.
They had more rookies this year play snaps than any
team in the NFL. That's gotta be a scary sign
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for the NFL when you've got patched from Homes on
our long term deal, and you've got all these other
pieces that stepped up as rookies, you know, from Jalen
wattson that, Joshua ms De, Brian Cooke, the George carloftis.
I mean, you start kind of combing through it sky more. Um,
you know the young players they have, Tray Smith, you
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know guys they've drafted Creed Humpher on the offensive line,
Isaiah Pacheco. I mean, these are all guys who are
either a rookie this year or drafted recently. And you're
you're saying to yourself, Yeah, this is gonna work for
a long period of time. I mean, it's just they've
done a tremendous job drafting, identifying who fits within what
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they need. Um, you know, as far as you know, guys,
they've been able to develop too. I mean, Kadarius Tony
couldn't make it work in it with the New York Giants.
He seemed to have found a home with the Kansas
City Chiefs and gave them a spark and a big
play right when they needed it. So I look at
this and I guess, honestly, you know, we could call
it an era. Like I'm kind of second guessing myself
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and asking the question to you guys, because you mentioned Dallas,
and then I was kind of thinking of the run
that the Patriots had, well, like the Patriots second run
where the Domino f C East, they got to a
bunch of a C Championship games, but didn't necessarily win
a bunch of Super Bowls even though they got to
the kind of that middle point of Belichick and Brady
in New England that area, Like, I guess you can
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consider them a dynasty, but it wasn't as successful as
the very beginning and then obviously the very end for
for Brady in particular, So I guess I look at
it a little different. But I mean, look right now,
if you're if you're like, well, I don't know what
the betting yards are, Jonas, but you'd be better than
the m THENC Championship game next year, would you not. Yes,
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I would feel comfortable betting on Kansas City to make
an a f C Championship game for the rest of
Patrick Mahomes's career because like Joe Burrow, the window is
open as long as Pat is there. Hell yeah, I
think my biggest here, my biggest takeaways from from the
Super Bowl. First one is why did I bet against
Patrick Mahomes When Pat my Homes beat the win against
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it hit the head, Uh, the quarterback that the only
quarterback that can beat them, you know, with one leg
he went ahead to head and found a way to
win against the only quarterback that really could beat them. Though,
did you like, if you would have said, oh, someone's
gonna throw for a three h yards in this game,
who's it gonna be? Yeah, I would have. I would
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have said you if not Patrick Mahomes, they're not winning. Yeah.
I just I just I just think that I thought
that coming out of that Cincinnati game, they just didn't
have much for Cincinnati and it didn't look good and
they look like they they they had a call that
really assisted them making it out of that game. But
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with that being said, they were close enough to make
it out of that game, and I probably should have
taken that into bigger consideration. My second takeaway is and
the biggest game of the year, and and correct me,
you know, or tell me I'm I'm I'm full of
it or whatever. But the second, the second takeaway I
took from that game was, in the biggest game of
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the season, you cannot have an unforced error that leads
to a touchdown. You just can't. Like, I'm sorry, you can.
You can fumble it, you can, you can turn it over.
You can't allow it to just be an unforced air
aware team in the Super Bowl just walks into the
end zone, like, can't do it. And my third takeaway was, well, okay,
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let's make it forward, because the third one is you
can't allow a major play to happen on special teams,
especially in the most critical moment of the game. It
was too It was too critical of a time to
allow a shifting of the field and the way that
they allowed it. And for you, yeah, I guess coaching
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really does matter. Like I know, you gotta have a
Patrick Mahomes, But the level and the class of coaching,
they totally outclassed Philadelphia in that second half. I mean,
the adjustments that they made at halftime were freaking phenomenal
and it showed on both sides of the ball, not
just on offense. And I'm scoring all the time. It
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definitely showed on what they were able to do defensively
as well. I thought, that's it's an interesting point. I
mean going in the game. Those are the two things
I said most of you is Patch Mahomes end of
the game. If they need to play, he could make it.
And then the experience of Andy Reid and and Steve Spagnola,
who I thought both of them. If you go back
to talking about how if you would have put together
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a game plan for how Philly was gonna win it
first half, the time of possession, in particular, the way
Philly was staying and converting third down fourth downs, it
felt like death of a thousand paper cuts. That's sort
of felt like like every time they got in that
formation on fourth and short, third and short, you sat
there and went, here they go again. They're gonna sneak
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and they're gonna push her it so over the top.
Which not to get off on a tangent now, but
I told you all it was a few weeks ago
about that play. That's that play will be reviewed by
the competition committee. I would not be shocked or surprised
if there's not a change that's made to it. It
is too successful of a play. I think it puts
too many players at risk with the way and as
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we saw the close ups with all the different camera angles,
those guys are down there lunging at each other with
their neck and head down. Eventually there's gonna be a
bad injury. Eventually someone's gonna get hurt, and they're gonna
rethink the whole concept of that. I'm just I'm telling
you right now, I cannot imagine they're gonna allow that
play to continue to exist. That being said, it was effective.
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Everything that Nick Sirianni and Jonathan Gannon and Shane Stike
and wanted to do was effective to a point, and
then it became about the adjustments. And I really felt
like Kansas City and you kind of felt like at
halftime it was that line of demarcation, But to me,
it was more of just the way the game flowed
to begin with, Casey won the toss deferred and so
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they just didn't touch the football as much. Right Philly
was gonna be the team to eat up that clock
and keep the ball away from Patrick Mahomes. And then
in the second half when when Casey got the ball
coming out of half, they were renting right down the field,
and but you still saw Philly eating up the clock.
I mean, at one point we had three possessions that
we were in the fourth quarter. I mean, it really
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was a game plan that I think played out for
the most part how Philly wanted to, with a few
moments and and particular breakdowns. Defensively, the exact same play
Jonathan Gannon never made an adjustment, the touchdown Pastika Darius Tony,
the touchdown past the sky more. Both of those plays
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were critical and in both cases, all Casey did was
get them in a position where they it looked like
they were playing more of a form of quarters with
the way they're doing it. They motioned down, the outside
guy looks like he's going all across the formation, the
corner bumps down, the safety looks to run and push
to the opposite side. Meanwhile the guy emotion then just
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runs right back out in the flat and there's no
one there because the safety thinks he's gonna scream across
the foremas to take him on the other side. And
so you look at that, and that would that happened twice,
and that's where like you've got to be able to
make the end game adjustments. And the inexperience of Jonathan
Gannon I think showcased itself. The experience of Steve Spagnola
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and the rush that started to push Jalen Hurts out
of the pocket to his left shut down a lot
of you know, data were better tackling to in the
second after Casey. But all those things I think I
help him amount to it. And then there's a controversial call,
which I'll put it this way. The call is not controversial.
It's not that's defensive holding. You should call that a
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thousand times out of a thousand. What's controversial is the
timing of it. There you go, there you go. That's
the that's the problem I had. I don't like my
My interpretation of that call was I'm gonna wait and
see if he's able to catch the ball. If he
catches the ball, there's no flag. The fact that the
ball was over right, I just the ball was terribly overthrown.
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My homes was throwing it away. It was being thrown away.
If you're gonna make the call, make the call when
it happens, you knew it was a whole if you
because again, those those types of holes take place every play.
So if you're gonna throw the If you're gonna choose
to throw the flag, I have no problem with you're
throwing the flag flag. It was a foul. It was
the timing of it that was, like, come on, man,
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like like in the biggest moment of of this game,
where you know it's gonna come down to Okay, these
guys are gonna at least get three points. Give this
other team an opportunity too to make a run out.
It's not your job to throw it that laid either.
That's all I know. I didn necessarily think that you
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threw it that late. I actually saw the flag early.
They did converse about it to be able to talk
about to make sure they saw what they call saw
because I think they knew the importance of that call.
The problem I had with is, if you're going to
complain about that flag being thrown, then you should have
complained about an earlier third down where Kansas City didn't
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get the call because there was a clear defensive holding
in a turn on a conversion that would have been
that stopped the Casey drive earlier in the game. Like
I've said all along, you know, if like, if you're
gonna complain about officiating. Then I think you're a team,
and Jason Kelsey has said this himself, like you're a
team that's probably looking for excuses in that part. My
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issue with officiating is always the inconsistencies, and I thought
for the most part last night that was a very
consistent game. They let them play. I thought Casey shot
themselves the foot a number of times, Frank Clark helping
to extend to drive Chris Jones. Yeah, I lined up
in the news both those on third down, fourth dounds.
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Like there was a lot of like mistakes I thought
made by by Kansas City that it were a bit, uh,
you know, un familiar to that team how they play
in those moments. But I go back to if you're
gonna be upset about that call, I understand you don't
want it to be called in that moment, but it's
also like, how do you say that to the officials, Hey,
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don't do your job in the moment that counts the most,
even though it's the definition of what defensive holding would be. Yeah, again,
to me, I had no problem with the foul I had.
I didn't I did not see the flag come out early.
Maybe you had a different vantage point than I did.
But when I saw that flag, he had already turned
around and was already hitting into the end zone. The
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ball was already up and over his head. The flag
was coming in. The flag came in late. It came
in late. It was not that flag was not thrown
when the foul took place. The flag was thrown after
it was late. It was not like boom, he hit him,
Here comes the flag. And I know that's the whole
conversation of what Tom Brady was talking about, you know,
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the delay of it or whatever it is that they
got going on those three words that he used. The
one prolonged. That was a prolonged throw. That was a
prolonged flag. That's what bothered me. And like this is
the last, like the last two drives of the game,
that's what bothered me about. I think when he's saying prolonged,
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he's probably more referring to, like how long was the hold?
You know, was the hold as he ran on the
inside then cut to go out was a prolonged and
was it long enough in that timing element to warrant
the flag. I'll be honest with you, I think what
hurt it was actually the broadcast initially didn't see the
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actual foul that took place. What what they showed you
was once he got back outside and started to turn up,
Bradberry still had had a hand on his hip kind
of polling. But that wasn't the most egregious part. The
most egregious part was when he really tried to grab
him and turn him when he was trying to get
back outside and the initial move. But what what they
showed They didn't get that until afterwards. I think that
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people saw the initial slant down inside too then run
back out and they saw the grab by Bradbury. Then
they would have said, Okay, that's defensive holding. The question
becomes do you make that call in this instance? And
the reality is And this is why I kind of
tried to give you guys a little intel on Carl
Scheffer's last week before this game was even played. He's coached,
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or excuse me, He's officiated a lot of games for
the Chiefs. A lot of those games have worked out
for the Chiefs. He's called more penalties his cruise than
any crew in the league. Now this wasn't his exact crew,
but he was the head of what is an all
star group of officials. So again, those are all things
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that I think ultimately, you know, came down and matter
than the end. But you you do have to acknowledge
the fact that you know. To me, it's defensive holding.
It's just it's just a matter of are you the
type that's gonna say, we're not gonna call that sort
of foul in the final moments of the game. Uh.
And I think the problem with that, as in Mike Prayer,
a deep Landina would say, you can't ask them to
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not do their job in the moments that matter most too,
Like you can't ask them to put the whistle in
their pocket or keep their flag in the pocket just
because you want to see these two guys duke it out.
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minutes from now. But let's hear from Patrick Mahomes, who
just amazingly came all the way back from yet another injury.
Suffered another ankle issue popped up in that game last night.
It looked bad, and then he came out in the
second half and it was just it was almost like
something crazy happened in the locker room. But here was
Mahomes talking about bouncing back so great until I kind
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of rolled it a little bit. I thought I felt
really good, and then that happened, and not a lot
of soreness going through into halftime, and I was able
to move it around, kind of get taped up a
little bit and go out there in that second half,
and um, it didn't feel good, but I was going
to leave it all out there, and I'm glad it
was enough for the wind. I mean, just just to
gut it out like that, you know, with no help
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obviously in the locker room, right. I doubt there was
any vitamin T being floated around there in the locker room, right, Yeah,
that's what Doctor Show called. Came out there. He looked
like he was moving around wings there that was weird,
like wings of an an. When he put his head
down and and Ran, I saw no hitch, I saw
no limp. He didn't. I saw greatness. Did you see
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something that was maybe from the heavens? It was the
juices from the gods? I mean, do was like I
couldn't believe it when he went down when they when
and you could see it in the replay, like they
definitely pinned his ankles down. That that the feet went out,
the ankles went down. That's that's got to be one
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of the more more painful deals when you're already hurt,
isn't me or just he always fall awkwardly, well, he
runs awkwardly. His body like his legs are kind of awkward,
Like he's just I would wonder if you could like
kind of take a scan like his the physiology of
how his body is wired and all of the different
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ligaments and tendons and all that stuff. He's just wired.
It looks its body moves differently, almost like tentacles or something.
I don't know, man, that yeah, just like that like that,
like like everything looks like it's double or triple joint.
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I mean Burdo put it in simpler terms, kind of
like his brother there there you go. You know what's crazy.
What's crazy is how it almost like he wouldn't eat
at a bar top or something like that. You know,
he was incredibly efficient that he didn't throw the ball
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for very many yards. He didn't throw it very many
times now, but but he was. His completion percentage was
pretty crazy. And he put three touchdowns up. It went
like he put them. He put them on his back,
bro like and I got I gotta say, I still
think at the end of the day, it was really
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the play calling that they had coming into the second half.
They totally neutralized. They totally neutralized what they um what
what Philly thought they could do on defense. And I
mean give them a ton of credit. They pulled their
running game out of layaway like or or it was
just in storage and they dusted it off. Let's let's
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put this running game out here. Your boy Pacheco. Now,
if you would have told me that Pacheco goes for
seventies six and and our guy Miles Sanders goes for
sixt arts, I would have told you you're you're a
gut darn lie, you're a lie, You're lying. But to me,
that was that was a lot of the difference in
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the second half of the game was the fact that
Kansas City came out thinking that, well, maybe maybe we
gotta really salvage this game through running it because Pat
might not be able to do it because of what
happened right before at halftime. And they established a run
and and the Eagles really weren't ever able to actually
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did it under control. They made a couple of good
plays against the run, but they really established the run,
and I feel like that really opened it up and
gave them the type of space that that Pat needed
to be efficient when he was throwing the ball. That
was the one flaw. Remember, we talked about it with
Philly all year long, or at least leading up to
that Washington game. That's why they went out and they
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made the moves they made. They brought it in Dominan
to Lynval Joseph like that was where you could get him.
You could run, You could run against Philly. They ended
up about the middle of the pack in the league
as far as rushing defense. But the crazy thing is
that they weren't running on them interiorly. They were getting
to the outsides of them like they were. They were
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hitting the perimeters on them. That's that's where I thought
Philly was most weak throughout the course of the season.
You know, when you had them, when you had their
interior defensive players healthy, Javon Hargrave but a great year,
um you know, Fletcher Cox and and then when once
they got Linval Joseph and guys like in Dominican, Sue
and you know ever everyone else they kind of would
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rotate in. They were tough between the tackles. It was
just the edges. It was, you know, attacking a son
Reddick and Josh Sweat and Brandon Graham and those guys
out there. That was that was the part that you
could exploit. And I think that was the part that
between the running game, some of the quick screens things
they did to the outside, the mixture of screens they
mixed in, and then some of the r P O
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S two they started just to make it a little
harder to to really get a beat on what Kansas
City was doing. But how about Juju Smith Schuster who
stepped up in a big way. You knew someone else
was gonna have to outside of Travis Kelsey for Kansas City,
but as far as receivers go, he was that reliable
piece that it felt like when they needed it most,
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he stepped up. And good for him. He signed a
one year deal. I don't know if this will help
him roll this into a big deal necessarily, but he
gets a Super Bowl ring uh to go along with
a great performance in In regards to him, you know
what's interesting about Juju. The first thing I thought about
when I was watching him play was it's it if
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they went to a double tight end set with Juju
and Kelsey, they'd be unstoppable, Like unstoppable I think juju
at this point. I notice might sound crazy, but I
think he'd be better as a tight end. Honestly, I
think he's kind of he has a tight end frame,
kind of he's kind of big and bulky like a
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tight end. But he still runs good routes. He still
moves well like a like a receiver. But man, I
was sitting there thinking like if he if he made
a move a transition to tight end, I bet you
he could make his career longer and probably have more
success at it. You have to bulk up a little bit,
wouldn't he. I don't know, I don't. I mean, how
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big is he to two? I just don't. I don't
think you bring them in as a blocking tight end,
per se. I mean, but again, these days, all you
have to do is get in the way of a defender,
you know, like honestly, like linebackers are starting to get
a little smaller because they got to be able to
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play the past just as much as they're able to
play the runs. So they're taking you know, they're smaller
linebackers that are coming in the drafts. So you have
a smaller if you have a smaller tight end, you know,
which I'm not trying to go off into, you know,
a whole conversation about Jiuju being a tight end. But
I thought about that when I was watching him play
last night. I mean, he had a good game last night.
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Could he used you know, a touchdown would have been nice,
would have been nice. A plus two kept the balance though,
he did keep the offense balance where they couldn't just
because they were doubling up on Kelsey. They were doubling them,
but they still were not because of the run and
because of them using other receivers at times to to
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keep things on on par and to keep the integrity
of the defense. They made the defense pay and and
they had to to eventually give the you know, give
the opportunities that are usually allotted to Kelsey in the
middle of the field, you know. I mean, even though
Kelsey still got his definitely, like the first half, I
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kept thinking myself on early downs, I don't get it.
Just to vote one guy at the line of scrimmage
to jam him or reroute him, whatever it is, just
do that the entire game. And they still allowed him
to score their first touchdown. He went write down. I
was like, here we go, and I eventually it calmed down,
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But I just I don't I get it, man. I mean,
I know people joke about and talk about it, and
he's a tremendous route runner. To me, it's been a
little bit of just bad defensive scheme. Like you gotta
be okay with saying I'm just gonna devote one guy.
I'm gonna play the rest of defense with ten and
they're gonna do their part, but I'm gonna devote one
guy to be at a nuisance the entire time on
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Travis Kelsey. So Patrick Mahomes can never really feel overly
comfortable about throwing him the football because the timing is off,
he's not in his route where he's supposed to be,
or or I've got a guy who's just literally mauling
him with a line of scrimmage. Like, so be it.
I'm gonna say this. I just saw another angle on
television that was not that that was a that was
a foul and it was a flag that there was three.
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I thought there was only two. Yeah, there were three.
There were three grabs during the course of that. Now,
while I'll say the ball was Bradbury admitted after the
gaming ground, Yeah it was uncatchable. It wasn't uncatchable ball,
but when that flag came out, so he didn't even
throw the flag on the first two. But but here's
where that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's catchable
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for defensive holding. The defensive holding doesn't even necessarily apply
to the intended receiver if it's catchable or not. That
only applies to past interference. So in this case, again
that that didn't matter. Like it was a foul, it
was defensive And like I said, I think a lot
of people were frustrated because they didn't see the right
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the right angle that you're saying now where you see
all of the grabbing when he's get his hips, he's
got both. It was the last part. It was at
the top of the route. See, I saw the early parts.
The way the replay was showing, it did not show
that less that let like you said, where I'm like
sitting there like, okay, when did he try But he
definitely tried to turn him around with that last grab
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and that was when the flag came out. So yeah, yeah,
just making sure I put that on on Wax. I
definitely saw it now. It was the down a distance.
It was a third and eight or definitely, which which
to me? I mean, I'm again, I'm not gonna you know,
it's always easier to Monday morning quarterback and second guest,
mistakes you made, right, But I sit there and kind
of thing to myself, like it was a pretty defensive
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defensive you know, call for that play to the point
where if bradber didn't stopped, no one does. I mean,
there was a couple instances to like Pacheco almost broke
off that run before you know, a great open field
tackle by Chancey Carters. Have he done hit him? He's
out of here, which said, by the way, Chancey Garner
Johnson tattooed him tackle that that's how you're supposed to tackle.
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No, no no, no, not the open field one two place
prior Pacheco had to go out because he got something.
He came down and dude, yes he did. He hit
his butt. He fell on his back sad after he
hit him. But yeah, Lee unloaded on him. For certain
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you if you were sitting on a on a beach
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and you can jump in on his burdo. But I
don't want to be a tie. But but what wouldn't
be a tie? But let's let's just say, Okay, there's
a tsunami wave coming in towards the beach. What's your
first reaction going to be. Is it going to be
run watch it for a little bit and run into
it and dive into it, or is it going to
be run away from it? Immediately? You'd be running away
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So we're never going to take lead to last advice.
It's not by advice. I was reacting to the movie
that was so tsunami waves. It's the only thing I'm
scared of. Giant waves terrify the hell out of me.
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It's I'm not scared of spiders. Nothing. What was your
logic though, Lee, Well, my logic was watching what as
we were As we were describing the people that were
running towards the wave, it was like, well, maybe they
think if they dive under the wave, they could think,
you know, to give it to them, kind of like
how zurfers go under the wave. You know that is true. Yeah,
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for six footers in Malibu. This is a two thousand
foot wave that's going to rip you in half, and
you want to run underneath it. Think that's the best
plan of attack. You're probably I'm going to have no
idea which way is up or side to side if
you go jump into a wave, like that great movie
Naomi Watch The Impossible is great tsunami scene in there.
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That's a great movie. That movie. Yes, yeah it is. Okay,
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LaVar's reaction to or leave the said, well, maybe that's
the best option for you in the march, like okay, Lee,
all right, I mean at that point they were kind
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to the fact that Jonas, the fact that Jonas would
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be upset about for Eagles fans from beginning to and
including right before the game uh an outage by Exfinity,
plenty of fans in the Philly area had no TV,
no uh no cast of the game. To make things worse,
Exfinities headquarters is located in Philadelphia, but they were able
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if you've missed it, plenty of riots active riot situation
in Philadelphia, non over in the streets of the city
of unbelievableness. You know, are you kidding me? Who knew
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the cure all is a box cutter knife to someone's side.
I just wonder where they are Chiefs fan that got shanked,
you know? Or were they shanking one another? It was
the Eagle on Eagle crime or was it? Was it
an Eagle one. So Eagles fans can't handle winning Super Bowls,
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your opinion of the game was going to be, and
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who you had winning, there was a reason why the
point spread was so small and stayed that way for
the vast majority of the two weeks leading up to
the game. That was the hell of a game last night.
That was a fun game. Uh, those two teams played
their asses off. There's a lot of controversy coming out
of that game, but we thought it might go this way,
as far as being a close game throughout and and
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as far as being a close game when it was
finally over with that. Nonetheless, Patrick Mahomes and Andy Reid
get it done. A second Super Bowl championship for Patrick Mahomes.
But of course there is some complaining, some bitching and
moaning going on from some people who don't like to
call that James Bradbury call. Nonetheless, the Kansas City Chiefs
get it done. That second half was monstrous form. Philly
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had it where they wanted it, But Patrick Mahomes strikes
late and the Kansas City Chiefs are your Super Bowl champions?
How a bout it? How about those Chiefs? I mean,
it's uh Are they dynasty? I guys? I mean how
do we how do we define their success and the
track record that they've had so far with Patrick Mahomes
Andy Reid? Yeah, I don't know. I don't you know.
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I think dynasty can be defined in a few different ways.
I don't think that that's something you fit in the
box up. I certainly believe that you can look at
their amount of success. What has been four four times?
What was it four times? In the playoffs and at
the championship round, championship game. It's now five Yeah, yeah, yeah,
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I mean two super Bowls in four years. They've been
to three in at least in the five I not
that four year span if not correct? Yeah, I mean,
how are we defining dynasty? Are we defining it by
the frequency? Are we are we saying it based on
because people said that Dallas was a dynasty and they
got three? You know, I would put it this way
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that no one's done what they've done so far, no
one sumitted the five straight NCT championship games. I would
say this if can you if it ended right now
and they never want another Super Bowl, I'd befortable sender dynasty. Yeah,
because if you just go back, if you could describe
it as an era, the Patrick Mahomes Andy Reid era
there running, if you're talking about it after the fact,
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that to me is a dynasty. And so if we're
gonna be talking about whatever this is, if this is
the last appearance for them in a super Bowl, and
who the hell knows doesn't seem like it's going to
be the way they operate together, then yeah, I think
it's a dynasty. They were overmatched against this Eagles team,
and and listen, I said it coming into the game,
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if Patrick Mahomes, first of all, if the Chiefs are
gonna win this game, it's going to be because of
Patrick Mahomes and the coaching. And if they do win
this game, the conversation has to dramatically change, well not
even dramatically, but it definitely changes for how you look
at Patrick Mahomes. And that's what That's what played out.
So I wouldn't have a problem saying there a dynasty. Honestly,
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I think that the half of a decade of success,
the way that they've had it and the way they've played.
I mean, hell, h who wouldn't want to be a
part of that team? You know, jeez, you saw how
happy Juju was. I mean, who wouldn't want to be
a part of this? Kansas City organization shouts out to
my boy Beach too. By the way, um, they've I
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mean they've they've overcome all lots, man, I mean that,
and it played out a way you guys wanted it to.
I mean, think about what you what what you just
said to when you mentioned Brett Veachs, their general manager.
They had more rookies this year play snaps than any
team in the NFL. That's gotta be a scary sign
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for the NFL when you've got patched from Homes on
our long term deal, and you've got all these other
pieces that stepped up as rookies, you know, from Jalen
wattson that, Joshua ms De, Brian Cooke, the George carloftis.
I mean, you start kind of combing through it sky more. Um,
you know the young players they have, Tray Smith, you
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know guys they've drafted Creed Humpher on the offensive line,
Isaiah Pacheco. I mean, these are all guys who are
either a rookie this year or drafted recently. And you're
you're saying to yourself, Yeah, this is gonna work for
a long period of time. I mean, it's just they've
done a tremendous job drafting, identifying who fits within what
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they need. Um, you know, as far as you know, guys,
they've been able to develop too. I mean, Kadarius Tony
couldn't make it work in it with the New York Giants.
He seemed to have found a home with the Kansas
City Chiefs and gave them a spark and a big
play right when they needed it. So I look at
this and I guess, honestly, you know, we could call
it an era. Like I'm kind of second guessing myself
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and asking the question to you guys, because you mentioned Dallas,
and then I was kind of thinking of the run
that the Patriots had, well, like the Patriots second run
where the Domino f C East, they got to a
bunch of a C Championship games, but didn't necessarily win
a bunch of Super Bowls even though they got to
the kind of that middle point of Belichick and Brady
in New England that area, Like, I guess you can
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consider them a dynasty, but it wasn't as successful as
the very beginning and then obviously the very end for
for Brady in particular, So I guess I look at
it a little different. But I mean, look right now,
if you're if you're like, well, I don't know what
the betting yards are, Jonas, but you'd be better than
the m THENC Championship game next year, would you not. Yes,
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I would feel comfortable betting on Kansas City to make
an a f C Championship game for the rest of
Patrick Mahomes's career because like Joe Burrow, the window is
open as long as Pat is there. Hell yeah, I
think my biggest here, my biggest takeaways from from the
Super Bowl. First one is why did I bet against
Patrick Mahomes When Pat my Homes beat the win against
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it hit the head, Uh, the quarterback that the only
quarterback that can beat them, you know, with one leg
he went ahead to head and found a way to
win against the only quarterback that really could beat them. Though,
did you like, if you would have said, oh, someone's
gonna throw for a three h yards in this game,
who's it gonna be? Yeah, I would have. I would
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have said you if not Patrick Mahomes, they're not winning. Yeah.
I just I just I just think that I thought
that coming out of that Cincinnati game, they just didn't
have much for Cincinnati and it didn't look good and
they look like they they they had a call that
really assisted them making it out of that game. But
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with that being said, they were close enough to make
it out of that game, and I probably should have
taken that into bigger consideration. My second takeaway is and
the biggest game of the year, and and correct me,
you know, or tell me I'm I'm I'm full of
it or whatever. But the second, the second takeaway I
took from that game was, in the biggest game of
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the season, you cannot have an unforced error that leads
to a touchdown. You just can't. Like, I'm sorry, you can.
You can fumble it, you can, you can turn it over.
You can't allow it to just be an unforced air
aware team in the Super Bowl just walks into the
end zone, like, can't do it. And my third takeaway was, well, okay,
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let's make it forward, because the third one is you
can't allow a major play to happen on special teams,
especially in the most critical moment of the game. It
was too It was too critical of a time to
allow a shifting of the field and the way that
they allowed it. And for you, yeah, I guess coaching
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really does matter. Like I know, you gotta have a
Patrick Mahomes, But the level and the class of coaching,
they totally outclassed Philadelphia in that second half. I mean,
the adjustments that they made at halftime were freaking phenomenal
and it showed on both sides of the ball, not
just on offense. And I'm scoring all the time. It
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definitely showed on what they were able to do defensively
as well. I thought, that's it's an interesting point. I
mean going in the game. Those are the two things
I said most of you is Patch Mahomes end of
the game. If they need to play, he could make it.
And then the experience of Andy Reid and and Steve Spagnola,
who I thought both of them. If you go back
to talking about how if you would have put together
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a game plan for how Philly was gonna win it
first half, the time of possession, in particular, the way
Philly was staying and converting third down fourth downs, it
felt like death of a thousand paper cuts. That's sort
of felt like like every time they got in that
formation on fourth and short, third and short, you sat
there and went, here they go again. They're gonna sneak
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and they're gonna push her it so over the top.
Which not to get off on a tangent now, but
I told you all it was a few weeks ago
about that play. That's that play will be reviewed by
the competition committee. I would not be shocked or surprised
if there's not a change that's made to it. It
is too successful of a play. I think it puts
too many players at risk with the way and as
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we saw the close ups with all the different camera angles,
those guys are down there lunging at each other with
their neck and head down. Eventually there's gonna be a
bad injury. Eventually someone's gonna get hurt, and they're gonna
rethink the whole concept of that. I'm just I'm telling
you right now, I cannot imagine they're gonna allow that
play to continue to exist. That being said, it was effective.
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Everything that Nick Sirianni and Jonathan Gannon and Shane Stike
and wanted to do was effective to a point, and
then it became about the adjustments. And I really felt
like Kansas City and you kind of felt like at
halftime it was that line of demarcation, But to me,
it was more of just the way the game flowed
to begin with, Casey won the toss deferred and so
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they just didn't touch the football as much. Right Philly
was gonna be the team to eat up that clock
and keep the ball away from Patrick Mahomes. And then
in the second half when when Casey got the ball
coming out of half, they were renting right down the field,
and but you still saw Philly eating up the clock.
I mean, at one point we had three possessions that
we were in the fourth quarter. I mean, it really
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was a game plan that I think played out for
the most part how Philly wanted to, with a few
moments and and particular breakdowns. Defensively, the exact same play
Jonathan Gannon never made an adjustment, the touchdown Pastika Darius Tony,
the touchdown past the sky more. Both of those plays
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were critical and in both cases, all Casey did was
get them in a position where they it looked like
they were playing more of a form of quarters with
the way they're doing it. They motioned down, the outside
guy looks like he's going all across the formation, the
corner bumps down, the safety looks to run and push
to the opposite side. Meanwhile the guy emotion then just
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runs right back out in the flat and there's no
one there because the safety thinks he's gonna scream across
the foremas to take him on the other side. And
so you look at that, and that would that happened twice,
and that's where like you've got to be able to
make the end game adjustments. And the inexperience of Jonathan
Gannon I think showcased itself. The experience of Steve Spagnola
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and the rush that started to push Jalen Hurts out
of the pocket to his left shut down a lot
of you know, data were better tackling to in the
second after Casey. But all those things I think I
help him amount to it. And then there's a controversial call,
which I'll put it this way. The call is not controversial.
It's not that's defensive holding. You should call that a
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thousand times out of a thousand. What's controversial is the
timing of it. There you go, there you go. That's
the that's the problem I had. I don't like my
My interpretation of that call was I'm gonna wait and
see if he's able to catch the ball. If he
catches the ball, there's no flag. The fact that the
ball was over right, I just the ball was terribly overthrown.
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My homes was throwing it away. It was being thrown away.
If you're gonna make the call, make the call when
it happens, you knew it was a whole if you
because again, those those types of holes take place every play.
So if you're gonna throw the If you're gonna choose
to throw the flag, I have no problem with you're
throwing the flag flag. It was a foul. It was
the timing of it that was, like, come on, man,
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like like in the biggest moment of of this game,
where you know it's gonna come down to Okay, these
guys are gonna at least get three points. Give this
other team an opportunity too to make a run out.
It's not your job to throw it that laid either.
That's all I know. I didn necessarily think that you
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threw it that late. I actually saw the flag early.
They did converse about it to be able to talk
about to make sure they saw what they call saw
because I think they knew the importance of that call.
The problem I had with is, if you're going to
complain about that flag being thrown, then you should have
complained about an earlier third down where Kansas City didn't
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get the call because there was a clear defensive holding
in a turn on a conversion that would have been
that stopped the Casey drive earlier in the game. Like
I've said all along, you know, if like, if you're
gonna complain about officiating. Then I think you're a team,
and Jason Kelsey has said this himself, like you're a
team that's probably looking for excuses in that part. My
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issue with officiating is always the inconsistencies, and I thought
for the most part last night that was a very
consistent game. They let them play. I thought Casey shot
themselves the foot a number of times, Frank Clark helping
to extend to drive Chris Jones. Yeah, I lined up
in the news both those on third down, fourth dounds.
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Like there was a lot of like mistakes I thought
made by by Kansas City that it were a bit, uh,
you know, un familiar to that team how they play
in those moments. But I go back to if you're
gonna be upset about that call, I understand you don't
want it to be called in that moment, but it's
also like, how do you say that to the officials, Hey,
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don't do your job in the moment that counts the most,
even though it's the definition of what defensive holding would be. Yeah, again,
to me, I had no problem with the foul I had.
I didn't I did not see the flag come out early.
Maybe you had a different vantage point than I did.
But when I saw that flag, he had already turned
around and was already hitting into the end zone. The
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ball was already up and over his head. The flag
was coming in. The flag came in late. It came
in late. It was not that flag was not thrown
when the foul took place. The flag was thrown after
it was late. It was not like boom, he hit him,
Here comes the flag. And I know that's the whole
conversation of what Tom Brady was talking about, you know,
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the delay of it or whatever it is that they
got going on those three words that he used. The
one prolonged. That was a prolonged throw. That was a
prolonged flag. That's what bothered me. And like this is
the last, like the last two drives of the game,
that's what bothered me about. I think when he's saying prolonged,
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he's probably more referring to, like how long was the hold?
You know, was the hold as he ran on the
inside then cut to go out was a prolonged and
was it long enough in that timing element to warrant
the flag. I'll be honest with you, I think what
hurt it was actually the broadcast initially didn't see the
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actual foul that took place. What what they showed you
was once he got back outside and started to turn up,
Bradberry still had had a hand on his hip kind
of polling. But that wasn't the most egregious part. The
most egregious part was when he really tried to grab
him and turn him when he was trying to get
back outside and the initial move. But what what they
showed They didn't get that until afterwards. I think that
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people saw the initial slant down inside too then run
back out and they saw the grab by Bradbury. Then
they would have said, Okay, that's defensive holding. The question
becomes do you make that call in this instance? And
the reality is And this is why I kind of
tried to give you guys a little intel on Carl
Scheffer's last week before this game was even played. He's coached,
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or excuse me, He's officiated a lot of games for
the Chiefs. A lot of those games have worked out
for the Chiefs. He's called more penalties his cruise than
any crew in the league. Now this wasn't his exact crew,
but he was the head of what is an all
star group of officials. So again, those are all things
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that I think ultimately, you know, came down and matter
than the end. But you you do have to acknowledge
the fact that you know. To me, it's defensive holding.
It's just it's just a matter of are you the
type that's gonna say, we're not gonna call that sort
of foul in the final moments of the game. Uh.
And I think the problem with that, as in Mike Prayer,
a deep Landina would say, you can't ask them to
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not do their job in the moments that matter most too,
Like you can't ask them to put the whistle in
their pocket or keep their flag in the pocket just
because you want to see these two guys duke it out.
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minutes from now. But let's hear from Patrick Mahomes, who
just amazingly came all the way back from yet another injury.
Suffered another ankle issue popped up in that game last night.
It looked bad, and then he came out in the
second half and it was just it was almost like
something crazy happened in the locker room. But here was
Mahomes talking about bouncing back so great until I kind
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of rolled it a little bit. I thought I felt
really good, and then that happened, and not a lot
of soreness going through into halftime, and I was able
to move it around, kind of get taped up a
little bit and go out there in that second half,
and um, it didn't feel good, but I was going
to leave it all out there, and I'm glad it
was enough for the wind. I mean, just just to
gut it out like that, you know, with no help
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obviously in the locker room, right. I doubt there was
any vitamin T being floated around there in the locker room, right, Yeah,
that's what Doctor Show called. Came out there. He looked
like he was moving around wings there that was weird,
like wings of an an. When he put his head
down and and Ran, I saw no hitch, I saw
no limp. He didn't. I saw greatness. Did you see
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something that was maybe from the heavens? It was the
juices from the gods? I mean, do was like I
couldn't believe it when he went down when they when
and you could see it in the replay, like they
definitely pinned his ankles down. That that the feet went out,
the ankles went down. That's that's got to be one
(23:01):
of the more more painful deals when you're already hurt,
isn't me or just he always fall awkwardly, well, he
runs awkwardly. His body like his legs are kind of awkward,
Like he's just I would wonder if you could like
kind of take a scan like his the physiology of
how his body is wired and all of the different
(23:22):
ligaments and tendons and all that stuff. He's just wired.
It looks its body moves differently, almost like tentacles or something.
I don't know, man, that yeah, just like that like that,
like like everything looks like it's double or triple joint.
(23:44):
I mean Burdo put it in simpler terms, kind of
like his brother there there you go. You know what's crazy.
What's crazy is how it almost like he wouldn't eat
at a bar top or something like that. You know,
he was incredibly efficient that he didn't throw the ball
(24:05):
for very many yards. He didn't throw it very many
times now, but but he was. His completion percentage was
pretty crazy. And he put three touchdowns up. It went
like he put them. He put them on his back,
bro like and I got I gotta say, I still
think at the end of the day, it was really
(24:26):
the play calling that they had coming into the second half.
They totally neutralized. They totally neutralized what they um what
what Philly thought they could do on defense. And I
mean give them a ton of credit. They pulled their
running game out of layaway like or or it was
just in storage and they dusted it off. Let's let's
(24:48):
put this running game out here. Your boy Pacheco. Now,
if you would have told me that Pacheco goes for
seventies six and and our guy Miles Sanders goes for
sixt arts, I would have told you you're you're a
gut darn lie, you're a lie, You're lying. But to me,
that was that was a lot of the difference in
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the second half of the game was the fact that
Kansas City came out thinking that, well, maybe maybe we
gotta really salvage this game through running it because Pat
might not be able to do it because of what
happened right before at halftime. And they established a run
and and the Eagles really weren't ever able to actually
(25:31):
did it under control. They made a couple of good
plays against the run, but they really established the run,
and I feel like that really opened it up and
gave them the type of space that that Pat needed
to be efficient when he was throwing the ball. That
was the one flaw. Remember, we talked about it with
Philly all year long, or at least leading up to
that Washington game. That's why they went out and they
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made the moves they made. They brought it in Dominan
to Lynval Joseph like that was where you could get him.
You could run, You could run against Philly. They ended
up about the middle of the pack in the league
as far as rushing defense. But the crazy thing is
that they weren't running on them interiorly. They were getting
to the outsides of them like they were. They were
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hitting the perimeters on them. That's that's where I thought
Philly was most weak throughout the course of the season.
You know, when you had them, when you had their
interior defensive players healthy, Javon Hargrave but a great year,
um you know, Fletcher Cox and and then when once
they got Linval Joseph and guys like in Dominican, Sue
and you know ever everyone else they kind of would
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rotate in. They were tough between the tackles. It was
just the edges. It was, you know, attacking a son
Reddick and Josh Sweat and Brandon Graham and those guys
out there. That was that was the part that you
could exploit. And I think that was the part that
between the running game, some of the quick screens things
they did to the outside, the mixture of screens they
mixed in, and then some of the r P O
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S two they started just to make it a little
harder to to really get a beat on what Kansas
City was doing. But how about Juju Smith Schuster who
stepped up in a big way. You knew someone else
was gonna have to outside of Travis Kelsey for Kansas City,
but as far as receivers go, he was that reliable
piece that it felt like when they needed it most,
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he stepped up. And good for him. He signed a
one year deal. I don't know if this will help
him roll this into a big deal necessarily, but he
gets a Super Bowl ring uh to go along with
a great performance in In regards to him, you know
what's interesting about Juju. The first thing I thought about
when I was watching him play was it's it if
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they went to a double tight end set with Juju
and Kelsey, they'd be unstoppable, Like unstoppable I think juju
at this point. I notice might sound crazy, but I
think he'd be better as a tight end. Honestly, I
think he's kind of he has a tight end frame,
kind of he's kind of big and bulky like a
(27:55):
tight end. But he still runs good routes. He still
moves well like a like a receiver. But man, I
was sitting there thinking like if he if he made
a move a transition to tight end, I bet you
he could make his career longer and probably have more
success at it. You have to bulk up a little bit,
wouldn't he. I don't know, I don't. I mean, how
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big is he to two? I just don't. I don't
think you bring them in as a blocking tight end,
per se. I mean, but again, these days, all you
have to do is get in the way of a defender,
you know, like honestly, like linebackers are starting to get
a little smaller because they got to be able to
(28:36):
play the past just as much as they're able to
play the runs. So they're taking you know, they're smaller
linebackers that are coming in the drafts. So you have
a smaller if you have a smaller tight end, you know,
which I'm not trying to go off into, you know,
a whole conversation about Jiuju being a tight end. But
I thought about that when I was watching him play
last night. I mean, he had a good game last night.
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Could he used you know, a touchdown would have been nice,
would have been nice. A plus two kept the balance though,
he did keep the offense balance where they couldn't just
because they were doubling up on Kelsey. They were doubling them,
but they still were not because of the run and
because of them using other receivers at times to to
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keep things on on par and to keep the integrity
of the defense. They made the defense pay and and
they had to to eventually give the you know, give
the opportunities that are usually allotted to Kelsey in the
middle of the field, you know. I mean, even though
Kelsey still got his definitely, like the first half, I
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kept thinking myself on early downs, I don't get it.
Just to vote one guy at the line of scrimmage
to jam him or reroute him, whatever it is, just
do that the entire game. And they still allowed him
to score their first touchdown. He went write down. I
was like, here we go, and I eventually it calmed down,
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But I just I don't I get it, man. I mean,
I know people joke about and talk about it, and
he's a tremendous route runner. To me, it's been a
little bit of just bad defensive scheme. Like you gotta
be okay with saying I'm just gonna devote one guy.
I'm gonna play the rest of defense with ten and
they're gonna do their part, but I'm gonna devote one
guy to be at a nuisance the entire time on
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Travis Kelsey. So Patrick Mahomes can never really feel overly
comfortable about throwing him the football because the timing is off,
he's not in his route where he's supposed to be,
or or I've got a guy who's just literally mauling
him with a line of scrimmage. Like, so be it.
I'm gonna say this. I just saw another angle on
television that was not that that was a that was
a foul and it was a flag that there was three.
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I thought there was only two. Yeah, there were three.
There were three grabs during the course of that. Now,
while I'll say the ball was Bradbury admitted after the
gaming ground, Yeah it was uncatchable. It wasn't uncatchable ball,
but when that flag came out, so he didn't even
throw the flag on the first two. But but here's
where that doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if it's catchable
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for defensive holding. The defensive holding doesn't even necessarily apply
to the intended receiver if it's catchable or not. That
only applies to past interference. So in this case, again
that that didn't matter. Like it was a foul, it
was defensive And like I said, I think a lot
of people were frustrated because they didn't see the right
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the right angle that you're saying now where you see
all of the grabbing when he's get his hips, he's
got both. It was the last part. It was at
the top of the route. See, I saw the early parts.
The way the replay was showing, it did not show
that less that let like you said, where I'm like
sitting there like, okay, when did he try But he
definitely tried to turn him around with that last grab
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and that was when the flag came out. So yeah, yeah,
just making sure I put that on on Wax. I
definitely saw it now. It was the down a distance.
It was a third and eight or definitely, which which
to me? I mean, I'm again, I'm not gonna you know,
it's always easier to Monday morning quarterback and second guest,
mistakes you made, right, But I sit there and kind
of thing to myself, like it was a pretty defensive
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defensive you know, call for that play to the point
where if bradber didn't stopped, no one does. I mean,
there was a couple instances to like Pacheco almost broke
off that run before you know, a great open field
tackle by Chancey Carters. Have he done hit him? He's
out of here, which said, by the way, Chancey Garner
Johnson tattooed him tackle that that's how you're supposed to tackle.
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No, no no, no, not the open field one two place
prior Pacheco had to go out because he got something.
He came down and dude, yes he did. He hit
his butt. He fell on his back sad after he
hit him. But yeah, Lee unloaded on him. For certain
that I loved it. It's two pros and a cup
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we go into in case you missed it, happen if
you if you were sitting on a on a beach
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and you can jump in on his burdo. But I
don't want to be a tie. But but what wouldn't
be a tie? But let's let's just say, Okay, there's
a tsunami wave coming in towards the beach. What's your
first reaction going to be. Is it going to be
run watch it for a little bit and run into
it and dive into it, or is it going to
be run away from it? Immediately? You'd be running away
(35:02):
from immediately Okay, yeah, Berto run away from the iMedia. Okay,
So we're never going to take lead to last advice.
It's not by advice. I was reacting to the movie
that was so tsunami waves. It's the only thing I'm
scared of. Giant waves terrify the hell out of me.
(35:23):
It's I'm not scared of spiders. Nothing. What was your
logic though, Lee, Well, my logic was watching what as
we were As we were describing the people that were
running towards the wave, it was like, well, maybe they
think if they dive under the wave, they could think,
you know, to give it to them, kind of like
how zurfers go under the wave. You know that is true. Yeah,
(35:48):
for six footers in Malibu. This is a two thousand
foot wave that's going to rip you in half, and
you want to run underneath it. Think that's the best
plan of attack. You're probably I'm going to have no
idea which way is up or side to side if
you go jump into a wave, like that great movie
Naomi Watch The Impossible is great tsunami scene in there.
(36:12):
That's a great movie. That movie. Yes, yeah it is. Okay,
let's go, let's go. That's all I wanted. I just
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(36:56):
LaVar's reaction to or leave the said, well, maybe that's
the best option for you in the march, like okay, Lee,
all right, I mean at that point they were kind
of screwed. The further conversation was funny, you ain't coming
to the fact that Jonas, the fact that Jonas would
be two blocks away, like, hey, wait for me with
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more with more detail included with it, we'll tell you
on breaking. You know, we live in a cancel culture.
In a perfect world, we'd actually be able to joke
about this, and now with the context that I've just
given you, you might be able to work it out
on your own. Just know that Jonas would be looking
at my back about two blocks ahead of him if
(37:43):
we had to run from that tsunami. That's I'll leave
it at that. Go ahead, Go ahead, guys. Plenty to
be upset about for Eagles fans from beginning to and
including right before the game uh an outage by Exfinity,
plenty of fans in the Philly area had no TV,
no uh no cast of the game. To make things worse,
Exfinities headquarters is located in Philadelphia, but they were able
(38:05):
to get the game on before kickoff. And of course,
if you've missed it, plenty of riots active riot situation
in Philadelphia, non over in the streets of the city
of unbelievableness. You know, are you kidding me? Who knew
(38:25):
that if your team loses the biggest game of the year,
the cure all is a box cutter knife to someone's side.
I just wonder where they are Chiefs fan that got shanked,
you know? Or were they shanking one another? It was
the Eagle on Eagle crime or was it? Was it
an Eagle one. So Eagles fans can't handle winning Super Bowls,
(38:46):
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eat crap off the ground and then they stab each
other when they lose. That's that's how you'd be talking
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